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Thanks!

Thank you for welcoming me! Thestormmovie 02:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

can i plead not-guilty?24.139.31.210 06:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, can you help me if I get stuck? --Kickstartme 08:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice and the welcome. I will try to get less possesive about Sinhala Slang, at the moment I am very skeptic about someone messing with it and making a bad name of it. The funny thing is that, I requestd it to be semi-protected against vandalism and now even I cannot edit it since I am a newcomer. (for few days) This would teach me to let the article go,... and let it grow. Wondering if you can help me to protect the article from any malicious act, for the next three days, till I can edit it again :) Ritigala Jayasena 18:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Another Thanks

I appreciate the welcome! --JLaddJr 03:56, 7 August 2007 (ET)

Request for Some Help

Hey again. I just got finished writing my first page. After writing the page, I realized a mistake that I had made with the title of the page. I gave the article the title "Evangelical christian academy" when it should have been "Evangelical Christian Academy". Since I only recently setup my Wikipedia account I can't change the title. Can you make this change for me? The article is here Thanks! JLaddJr 17:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help again!

Thank you for stepping in!

Obviously you read what is going on so you must agree with me right? This particular editor has made an error. Am I correct? How can the article be rewritten so it's acceptable? Intolerancerecords 08:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't, and seeing what's going on, I have no intention of stepping into the actual article being discussed. All I saw were your comments on your fellow editor's talk page, and I just wanted to remind you to keep a cool head when speaking to those fellow editors. Comments like "are you retarded" add no meaningful content and only serve to make everyone agitated. --Darkwind (talk) 08:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal Attack?

What I wrote did not constitute as a personal attack. Did you read the guidlines? If you did, you'd know that accusing someone without justification of making personal attacks is also considered a form of personal attack. Which pot is calling which kettle black my wiki buddy? Intolerancerecords 08:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

See my reply above. --Darkwind (talk) 08:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Not you

Nah, I didn't mean you, just had a little edit conflict. Will move the post a little bit to avoid future confusion. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 08:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey man? I think your wrong man? What is the big deal? Picking up sticks must be fun? Especially in 1976? Love you bye? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.82.192.241 (talk • contribs) 09:41, August 7, 2007 (UTC).

Alright "Noob"????

I do not appreciate the personal bashing. My mom is sick and all I can do is listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd. They help me get through the day. I know how it is to love with my mother. When they finally pass on it is hard. All those lonely nights in the basement have wore on me. Please forgive me. I'm sorry, I don't really know how to use the internets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.82.192.241 (talk • contribs) 10:09, August 7, 2007 (UTC).

You've left this comment for the wrong user. I didn't say anything about that band on your talk page. The person who did added their comment above mine and didn't sign it. I've fixed that for you. --Darkwind (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry man. I am sad that I hurt you. Love you when your mad. Seth Bullard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.82.192.241 (talk • contribs) 20:27, August 7, 2007 (CDT).

We want to stay within guidelines...

Greetings and thank you for all your efforts!

I've spent quite some time looking thru help files that have helped immeasurably.However, I'm not sure how to set up two items:

1.How do you move the table of contents box to a different area of the page? I don't see it in the html...

2.How do I properly set up a categories box at the bottom of the article? I listed categories that are appropriate but I notice that all pages have a standard blue box at the bottom with categories inside...

Thanks again Hillsboroughartscouncil 19:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you think so far?

Does it conform to Wikipedia style? Do you have any suggestions? What is the best way to get other editors involved? --Kickstartme 22:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Just as a note, this guy was a sock of Grumpyrob; he wasn't allowed to use his version of the article on Plastic pressure pipe systems, so he recreated the same article under the Industrial title instead. MSJapan 16:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response!

We greatly appreciate your help... In regards to the notability issue we've added legal info about the Non-profit organization, town and state agency endorsements, a list of references to online published materials. I trust this will be more than sufficent... if not let us know...

Oh ... one more technical question... I'm having a problem inserting the 'nofollow' tag for external links... could you copy me a sample?

Thanks again for your help... you folks are great! Hillsboroughartscouncil 22:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Not worthy of Wikipedia

Thank you once again... In regards to the Notability issue:

It appears that you placed the notability banner on the page... 19:57, 7 August 2007 (hist) (diff) m Hillsborough Arts Council (added notability tag)

You also moved the page to another area that can’t be found… 19:58, 7 August 2007 (hist) (diff) m Hillsborough Arts Council (moved Hillsborough arts council to Hillsborough Arts Council:

We have now edited the page extensively adding numerous links and references to deal with the Notability issue.

However you state “I'm not going to make any kind of final judgment call as to whether what you've included is completely sufficient I don't think I really have the experience in that depth of Wikipedia policy.”

I'm a bit mystified that you felt qualified to

Tag the page as having a Notability issue,
Move the page
Add a Wikipedia articles with topics of unclear importance tag to the categories

... but you now state that you don't have the experience to judge it...

interesting...

Well… I gave it my best…

Respectfully Hillsboroughartscouncil 01:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Appreciate the kindness

I appreciate both the civility and your kindness in explaining these nuances.

I really was mystified and was trying not to sound confrontational.

I wouldn't feel comfortable removing the template as the edits are mine. I'm not a member of the Hillsborough Arts Council but I volunteered some time to help them with website and other issues... hence my idea to put some info up on Wikipedia.

I guess I'll just wait and see what happens, or ask if anyone else feels qualified to edit the site and remove the notability banner.

Once again thanks so much for the clarification respectfully Hillsboroughartscouncil 01:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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Please leave me alone

I'm sick and tired of being banned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.120.34 (talk • contribs) 07:57, August 11, 2007 (CDT)

My note to you didn't say anything about being banned. It just said "please don't hold extended discourse in an edit summary." Based on your IP's warning history, though, I'm not inclined to be particularly sympathetic. --Darkwind (talk) 19:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

How about no?

Okay? Soon, I'll get a modem that changes my IP every time I log in. I'm sick of the "you have new messages" thing that won't go away. I'm not vandalizing your page. I'm eventually going to be banned again so I'm trying to fix wrong info on some pages. My anger comes from Jonny2x4 who keeps editing stuff with speculation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.94.120.34 (talk • contribs) between 14:49 and 14:58 in several edits, August 11, 2007 (CDT).

I know you're not vandalizing my page, I'm just moving the discussion to the bottom so it stays in chronological order. Why worry about randomizing your IP, unless you want to feel anonymous? If you really don't want to be tracked, that's fine, but as Wikipedians, we as a community will continue to self-"police" activity by all our users and guests. Just try to keep civility in mind while editing, and you'll be fine. If you're having problems with a particular editor, discuss it on their talk page (in a civil manner) or on the talk page of the article in question. Wikipedia operates by consensus, and if you have a discussion on the article talk page, others interested in that article will generally chime in with their opinions, and that way a consensus can be reached.

The fact that your new messages banner won't go away is because of a known bug with messages left for IP addresses and the MediaWiki software. That's another reason to register for an account, the problem doesn't seem to happen if you're logged in. --Darkwind (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

195.137.122.76

Hello! My apologies for the 'incident' - computer problems at the time. Will not happen again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.137.122.76 (talk • contribs) 21:18, August 13, 2007 (CDT).

That's fine, things happen from time to time. --Darkwind (talk) 02:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?

How was my edit vandalism? It was a valid edit to the Space Jam page about a notable spin-off that did not have its own page. I believe that qualifies as "Trivia" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.123.19 (talk • contribs) 21:42, August 13, 2007 (CDT).

You're right. I apologize, but I added the warning to your page in error. I meant to send the vandalism warning to another user who'd added some inappropriate content to Space Jam, but I clicked on the wrong talk page link from the article's history. I'll remove the warning from your talk page. --Darkwind (talk) 02:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.123.19 (talk • contribs) 16:14, August 16, 2007 (CDT).

eyeblink conditioning

thanks for your suggestions re: eyeblink conditioning entry, and for informing me about the wikipedia writing etiquette. I'll continue to work to make this page great. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dentate (talk • contribs) 20:49, August 14, 2007 (CDT).

You're quite welcome. Don't forget to sign your talk comments by using ~~~~ at the end. :) --Darkwind (talk) 02:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Got itDentate 03:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy tags

Hi. Please don't stick speedy tags on articles like Adékamni Olufadé (now redirected to another article by me, by the way) - it said he appeared in the 2006 World Cup!!! And I believe that what the other articles need is some cleanup, not deletion. Punkmorten 08:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Audrey Smith deletion contested

Creator has expressed his anger at me for CSD of Audrey Smith. Could you talk to him, my conversation is going nowhere. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 16:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see discussion on creator's User_talk:Eckre and my User_talk:Dlohcierekim Talk pages. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 16:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look at the discussion. --Darkwind (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

the whole User talk:Eckre affair

Thanks for clarifying that whole hornet's nest. I had been told that Mayors were now notable. I just feel bad that the editor had so much enthusiasm and so little understanding. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 22:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) --Darkwind (talk) 01:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Typo?

Hey Darkwind, i was never on Flamingo as you added a comment on my talk page. Possible Typo? 219.90.155.158 (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Black Eyed Husband

Need your comment on Black_Eyed_Husband --Bziona86 (talk) 11:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Blocking 218.185.79.222

Hi, just a courtesy that I blocked the ip 218.185.79.222 for a year whom you issued an abuse report. The user had previously been blocked for a year and immediately after the year elapsed began to go on a bender getting far beyond the 4 warnings, so I blocked him again for another year. Valley2city^‽ 22:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

wat r u talking about i didn't edit or even visit tat page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Victory Never even been to tat page wat r u talking about get yours facts right before you accuse me!!!

Rollback

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final warning?!

I keep trying to edit 'Sam (orangutan)'with actual facts and apparently I'm vandalizing! I would like to know what I have done wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crackalack7 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Addressed on user's talk page. --Darkwind (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Skoda Roomster Incorrect Torque figures

Im trying to correct the torque figures of the Skoda Roomster diesel engine section. Im taking my infos form the engines codes. So, all informations are taken from the VW engines article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.253.161.183 (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Replied on the user's talk page yesterday. --Darkwind (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

pin pals

why wont you let me add pin pals bowling team to the site, its a real team, we have shirts license plates you dont even have pin pals on here anymore. it was ok for thats so raven to be on it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmarauder1 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

You'd erased part of the template formatting during your edit. If you're trying to add facts to the article, make sure you do so in an appropriate place without deleting formatting characters or other information. --Darkwind (talk) 20:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Re: Hoctor's Ballet: How does it not get a passing mention when it is a feature of the film, Gershwin wrote this long piece for a famous ballerina, and it has a whole page in Jablonski's book? pg. 300-304 Why would you want to limit what is factually accurate and cited references from the internet, especially something as rare as an unheard Gershwin orchestral piece? (And by the way, your citation of this as a song is wrong, it exists as an orchestral piece, not a "song") Ask anyone who knows something about music and they can explain the difference to you.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stackedaktor (talk • contribs) 01:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, i'm new here, but have been editing on many wikias. Is it the same concept, or is there other things I have to worry about? Thanks for your help ZTG —Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC).

Sure, let me give you some tips on your talk page. --Darkwind (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! So, may I ask 1 thing? If so, does Wikipedia have User Warnings? I know on other Wikias that they have warnings and they even block or ban people. I am just curious. Oh, and does this place have an IRC channel? Thanks! ZTG —Preceding undated comment added 23:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC).

We do have a fairly regular system for notifying users who break the rules; see WikiProject User Warnings for info on that. As for IRC, the short answer is yes; for the long answer, see the IRC info page. Just keep in mind that the English Wikipedia is a hugely more complex place than most Wikia and other wiki sites, simply because it's so large and so popular. However, there's lots of help on specific topics. You might want to take some time to browse through the Community portal to get a sense of the WP community. --Darkwind (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay! And, is it okay if I post a signature using a template page? I have one on the Kingdom Hearts wiki, and I was wondering if I can use it here. Is it okay? ZTG —Preceding undated comment added 00:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC).

In general, you can put whatever you like for your signature as long as it's not huge or obnoxious. It also can't contain any images. See WP:CUSTOMSIG for guidelines. You'll also have noticed that since your signature currently doesn't have the time included, there's a bot following you around timestamping your comments. It's best practice to sign with your name *and* the UTC time. The ~~~~ signature method does this automatically. --Darkwind (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Now, can I create template pages? I have a "homemade" signature that needs to have a template pagelike thing. Just a branch of my userpage User:ZexionTheGamer 01:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I didn't quite get what you'd meant before. Using an actual {{template}} in your signature is forbidden on Wikipedia - see WP:SIG#NT for an explanation of why. Whatever you use has to fit in the signature configuration box in your preferences. --Darkwind (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Governance,_risk_management,_and_compliance

Would you consider closing this AFD, as references show that this is notable. Okip 02:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Darkwind (talk) 02:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Reverted edit?

Can you explain why you reverted my edit to Kohlberg Kravis Roberts? At the very least it is completely unacceptable that you would use a rollback reversion. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 02:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Lupin's AVT flagged your edit because you added [[Media:Example.ogg]] at the top of the page, which is an extremely common "test edit" that is (99.99% of the time) non-useful. Looking at it more closely, I see you were trying to add the {{redirect}} template back in, but my initial impression was of a non-useful edit. I apologize if I caused any confusion or misread the purpose of your edit. --Darkwind (talk) 02:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You need to be more careful with the use of rollback. If there is a questions, simply use undo and explain what it is you are doing. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 13:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I've been using "non-admin rollback" tools for anti-vandalism purposes off and on for several years, and nobody's ever had an issue with any of my reverts until now. I'm sincerely sorry I didn't see the good-faith nature of your edit - but mistakes happen. I don't really appreciate the condescending tone I perceive in your comments here (whether or not you intended it to sound that way, it's how it's coming across), so I suggest we both drop the issue and move on. --Darkwind (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Revert of Wowza page

You said on my talk page that there were no justifications for my modifications to the Wowza article. See the Wowza article's talk page, and at least bother to address that before reverting... === Jez === (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I think what you're missing here is the definition of notability. See my comments on the article talk page. --Darkwind (talk) 13:00, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Horner

I see the page you cited for the scientist's quote on Google Books, but I don't see Horner's larger argument re: malaria and his specifically blaming EDF, which the article says he does. I think the article should cite more pages from his book if in fact he makes the argument elsewhere. RafaelRGarcia (talk) 17:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Page 53 alludes to such a larger argument:

"Being an environmentalist, however, not only means never having to say you're sorry (those millions of dead Africans killed by malaria when DDT was taken away from them might deserve an apology), it means never having to prioritize."

I have a feeling he never says the argument straight out, based on what I can glean from searching in the Google Books interface. Either way, I haven't really verified the whole claim, but it was easy to verify the superficial cause for citation (the quote), which is why I put the source back in. If you think it really doesn't support the whole claim that it's being cited for, do feel free to take it back out. --Darkwind (talk) 18:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Reworded. The article was using very strong wording, like genocide. If Horner didn't even say that, then whoever inserted the material originally was editorializing. RafaelRGarcia (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Third Opinion on Axel Erlandson

Hi Darkwind I thought come and thank you for your opinion. I have made a suggested sentence change with refs. I didn't change it myself because if I did so, Griseum would say I had a COI and people would focus on that rather than on the content, link to sentence. Also to let you know that there are now other editors on the talk page voicing the same arguments as Griseum. One of them suggest going to Dispute resolution, which I will do in a couple of days.

If you think the sentence works and you don't mind going into middle of mind field, would you please change it on Axel's page. Blackash have a chat 01:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Posting broken tools is innapropriate

The page of calculators that you are linking to is broken. try your link to the "amortization calculator" tool on your directory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjacoby (talk • contribs) 22:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

It's not "my link". The link is to the "Open Directory Project", dmoz.org, a respected directory of helpful websites. If you find that pages linked from dmoz.org that are no longer working, you should take it up with them (see the links at the top of their pages). It's considered perfectly acceptable to link to the Open Directory from Wikipedia, and more of those links are working than are not, so removing the link to the directory page is not helpful, just because one of those links might not be working. In addition, you removed the [[Category: links from the pages you were editing, which removes those pages from Wikipedia categories. If you do feel that it's necessary to remove something, don't take out half the page with it. --Darkwind (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hogwarts Staff

Welcome, and thank you for correcting spelling on the Hogwarts staff page on Wikipedia! However, both spellings of the word you "corrected" are acceptable.

Please familiarize yourself with American and British English spelling differences before making further spelling corrections to articles. Wikipedia has 48,230,624 registered users on this English Wikipedia. These editors use different versions of English including American English and British English. The list of dialects of the English language goes on and on.

When many styles are acceptable, avoid changing from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. It is only acceptable to change between American and British spelling if the article's topic is particular to one country or the other, or if you are making the article internally consistent.

More information is available at Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Enjoy your time on the encyclopedia. Thank you. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 19:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm using a semi-automated program to scan for spelling mistakes, and that is one of the listed corrections that the software makes. If you feel that such a correction is unnecessary, you're welcome to edit the list of typo corrections at the page I linked, or discuss them on the tool's talk page. You're also welcome to add {{bots|deny=AWB}} to Hogwarts staff to prevent other users of this program from making the same change in the future.

Also, I've been a Wikipedia editor for over seven years. Please don't template me - if you have something to say, say it in your own words. Thank you. --Darkwind (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers for the info on stopping the auto-template, didn't mean to cause any offence by using the template, just saves time writing your own text out. I'll add the template to the page. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Devours/Daltrey/No Plan B

Hi, Darkwind. I'm wondering why you thought the Daltrey template was unrelated at Scott Devours page and deleted it. Devours is currently playing in Daltrey's No Plan B band. They did several dates of a solo tour last year and are opening for Clapton this year. This info is sourced in the article. Pkeets (talk) 17:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It's typical for subject-navigation templates, like {{Roger Daltrey}}, to be included at the bottom of an article -- but only if the article is linked from the template. At the time I removed the template, it did not link to Scott Devours (this is how the template looked at the time), and there were no reliable sources in the article at all. So, to be honest, it looked like someone had just thrown it in there without showing how or why it was related. Now that you've added sources for his relation to Daltrey, and that the template links to the article it's included on, it's much more appropriate for the template to be included. --Darkwind (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit: If you're confused about why an editor did something, it's a good idea to take a look at how the article looked as that editor saw it, before you ask them why they did whatever. In this case, that would be this revision. You added sources after I removed the template. To come back and ask me why I removed the template, because the info is now sourced, is somewhat confusing. --Darkwind (talk) 19:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. The question shouldn't be confusing--it's only meant to clarify.Pkeets (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Thanks for the welcome. Minor4th (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Certainly! Don't hesitate to ask me (or use {{helpme}}) if you have any questions! --Darkwind (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Darkwind, Thank you very much for your advice. Would you like to "adopt" me to work on projects? I would be very honored to be able to contribute to Wikipedia. Please let me know. Blair van der woodson (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC) Blair Van der Woodson

Hi Blair! Unfortunately, since I can't guarantee my availability at any particular time, I wouldn't make a good choice for a mentor. However, there's a Adopt-a-User program you might be interested in, and I'd be happy to answer any specific questions you have if you ask me here - just please understand it might take me a while to get back to you! :) --Darkwind (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hoctor's Ballet

Re: Hoctor's Ballet: How does it not get a passing mention when it is a feature of the film, Gershwin wrote this long piece for a famous ballerina, and it has a whole page in Jablonski's book? pg. 300-304 Why would you want to limit what is factually accurate and cited references from trusted print media, especially something as rare as an unheard Gershwin orchestral piece? (And by the way, your citation of this as a song is wrong, it exists as an orchestral piece in score form, not a "song") Ask anyone who knows something about music and they can explain the difference to you. This deserves its own special mention, seeing as how it is Gershwin's only ballet music.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stackedaktor (talk • contribs) 01:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on the intrinsic worth of the piece, I'm commenting on its notability as applies to deserving it's own Wikipedia article. My comment about "only gets a passing mention" was only stating fact as far as how the piece is treated in the article on the movie. The phrase "Hoctor's Ballet" appears exactly once in that article, as part of this paragraph:

"The score is probably the largest source of Gershwin orchestral works unavailable to the general public, at least since the advent of modern stereo recording techniques in the 1950s. The movie contains the only recordings currently available to Gershwin aficionados (unfortunate because not all the incidental music composed for the movie was used in the final cut.) Some of the cuts include: Dance of the Waves, Waltz of the Red Balloons, Graceful and Elegant, Hoctor's Ballet and French Ballet Class (for two pianos.)"

If an article devoted to the movie doesn't even discuss the piece more than that, it's difficult for me to see how it meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for music (note that WP:NSONG is simply an abbreviation; it applies to all musical creative works whether "songs" or "orchestral piece in score form"). Even if we don't apply that specific guideline, there's still the general notability guideline: "f a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." One page in one book does not constitute significant coverage; but if you feel that it's notable, you're welcome to locate additional reliable, third-party sources that discuss the work, and add them to the article.

Also, I myself am a fan of Gershwin and his work, and he is definitely notable on his own -- but that doesn't mean that every single work that ever came from his pen is worth its own Wikipedia article. Absent any further sources to prove the notability of the work, I may bring it to discussion at articles for deletion, as I feel that anything that's useful to say about the piece can be said in the article on the movie. That article has a substantial section on the score already, and it's entirely possible to give this piece the encyclopedic focus it deserves as part of a larger article. --Darkwind (talk) 03:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Admiral Brown

re: Admiral Brown Thanks for cleaning up the wikisyntax. Page is now a disambiguation page for the various articles, currently numbering seven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonard G. (talk • contribs) 04:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

71.71.124.11

If you didn't write "A City Dressed in Dynamite", leave me alone.

--71.71.124.11 (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)MarilynManson4Ever--71.71.124.11 (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

There's such a thing as vandalism, and your edits clearly fall within those parameters. If you contribute constructively, I won't have any reason to bother you. --Darkwind (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Darkwind

(Moved from my user page)

Hello Darkwind, thank you for your assistance with the Melbourne Marathon page. Regards, Gfcvoice —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gfcvoice (talk • contribs) 07:36, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

FourChan

The page is protected how do i improve Tempmusic (talk) 16:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Use the {{editsemiprotected}} template on the talk page, along with specific changes you'd like to have made, and reliable sources to back them up. --Darkwind (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Too much work Tempmusic (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Fractal Generating Software

Thanks for reverting more external-link vandalism on Fractal-Generating Software from the same user. Can you advise on how to prevent this going on and on; it appears that the user concerned is edit-warring. (S)he is adding the same links, and removing the comment that warns against inappropriate external links, repeatedly. Each time, another editor removes them, then they are replaced after a while. (S)he is not responding to my attempt to discuss what is appropriate on their talk page or on the article's discussion page. What next? 81.174.151.142 (talk) 20:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

save page?

I have entered my information to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Security_Analysis_Program> but when I save the addision the changes are not visible to anyone. thank you for you help. Hcasap (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)asap987Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

That's because your changes were reverted (removed) by other editors almost immediately. This is due to a couple of different factors:

The tone of your addition was not appropriate. What you added contained a lot of "peacock terms" (words that describe the subject positively but don't really say anything), and "marketing speak".
You used the word "we" several times, indicating a conflict of interest. Wikipedia is not a place for you to talk about your organization; it's a place for others to talk about your organization using a neutral point of view. You're welcome to edit articles that aren't related to yourself, your organization, or its products or services, but any edits you make that involve yourself will be looked at much more closely.
In general, your contribution sounded like it was pulled from an admissions pamphlet or some similar kind of advertising. Wikipedia is not a place for advertising or promotion, it is a place to discuss subjects neutrally and objectively.

If you have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to reply here and I'll elaborate if I can. You might also be interested in reading Wikipedia's FAQ for organizations. --Darkwind (talk) 19:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.....this information is very helpful. Hcasap (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

75.18.169.218

I noticed the message you recently left to 75.18.169.218. Please remember: do not bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it. Thank you. Sonic120 (talk) 01:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a difference between common mistakes and deliberate, blatant defamation. The immediate final warning was appropriate to the situation, when considering the edit in the light of WP:LIBEL and WP:BLP. --Darkwind (talk) 05:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Shopngift

I think the company should be permitted on wikipedia because it is the first e-commerce company of Pakistan which was a big achievement at that time, i want every Pakistani to know that it was the first ecommerce website If you need prove regarding being first one, we can provide that

Thanks --Sarahgodil (talk) 13:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! Wikipedia has notability guidelines that help us determine if a subject is notable enough to be included in the encyclopedia. For companies, there's a more specific guideline as well.

Basically, you must have reliable sources to show that the company is notable. If this company has been covered in multiple sources that are independent of the company (i.e. not their own website, etc.), you are welcome to rewrite the article and cite the sources.

I've left a message on your talk page with instructions on how to draft a new version of the article in your user space, where it won't be deleted before you're done working on it. Also, please note that all of the blue links in my message above are links to Wikipedia policies you might find helpful when you're writing articles. --Darkwind (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome Template

Hi Darkwind, I came across your Welcome Here, and was wondering what Template do you use, It looks great ! Mlpearc MESSAGE 15:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It's {{WelcomeMenu}}, and that's exactly why I use it -- it's much less jarring than {{welcomeg}} and the like. --Darkwind (talk) 17:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you I will start using it as well Mlpearc MESSAGE 17:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Gray Powell article nominated for deletion

Nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gray Powell AkankshaG (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

unreferenced template

what does this mean: This article does not cite any references or sources. on the top of The Applied Security Analysis Program (ASAP) article. Hcasap (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

More or less, it means exactly what it says - the article does not have any citations of reliable sources to verify the claims made in the article. Wikipedia's policy on verifiability requires that you cite reliable sources to verify the information given. Since there are no reliable sources on the article, the tag is there to make readers aware that the article is unverifiable, and to advise editors to fix it if they can. (No, the link to the program's website doesn't count as a reliable source; if you want more details please see the reliable source policy I linked above.) --Darkwind (talk) 17:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Conflict. Name of one category set to renaming into name of anther category, which is set to deletation

Hi, User "Mayumashu" set category Category:Slavic Name for speedy renaming as "Slavic names", BUT another empty already existing categogory Category:Slavic names is set for speedy deletion discussion. I don't know if deleting old category "Slavic names" will conflict with renaming of Category:Slavic Name ?

pleas answer

Wojgniew

Wojgniew (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello! A category (or any other wiki page, including articles) cannot be renamed if there is already a category or page at the new name. That means that the existing Category:Slavic names must be deleted before Category:Slavic Name can be renamed to "Slavic names", because the name is "already taken" right now. --Darkwind (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for your help.

regards!

Wojgniew Wojgniew (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Your PROD at Joe Brucato

Dear Darkwind: Back on 4/19 you did a PROD for Joe Brucato due to BLP concerns. I discovered that this PROD was removed inappropriately and there are some other issues with the editor who created the article. For procedural reasons and to make the deletion discussion more "official" I took the article to AFD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Brucato. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 00:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Adding link to another category in "see also"

hi Darkwind, I'Ve tried to add *Category:Slavic-language surnames in "See also" of "Slavic names", but it was impossible to do so. Should I do it in different way? Notice, I want it in the "see also". Tnaks in advance.

Regards

Wojgniew

Wojgniew (talk) 18:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Another problem has occoured.

a Bot have moved categoery "Slavic names" to discussion, becouse of taking name of deleted one. I am getting annoyed with this policy. It did lots of work withs "Slavic" topics.

Please help. I'am begginer, and "slavci names" was my first article (I largely extended it from "sse also" to full article.)

Regards Wojgniew

Wojgniew (talk) 12:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, that's because Category:Slavic names has been deleted as part of a wider discussion about categories of this type, like "American names", "French names", and "Spanish names", which have also been deleted. The discussion has determined that categories for specific ethnic lists of names are not useful. Please read the discussion for information on why other editors feel this way. This doesn't mean that anything is wrong with your article; it just means that there's no longer a specific "names" category to put on it. --Darkwind (talk) 16:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Your user page

You should transfer this to your talk page. Aditya Ex Machina 14:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. --Darkwind (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina Man

I have reopened this debate, as it does not appear to me to be obvious enough for an NAC, the keeps being simple WP:ITSNOTABLEs without actually supplying any sources. Especially in cases of an BLP, it cannot hurt to be too careful. Tim Song (talk) 00:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. --Darkwind (talk) 00:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jacob Sahayakumar Aruni

This is Dr.WILSON ARUNI - THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE CREATION OF ARTICLE ON "Jacob Sahayakumar Aruni".YOUR COMMENTS WERE DUELY ACKNOWLEDGED AND IN THE EXTERNAL LINK PORTION OF THE ARTICLE -ONLY THE RELEVANT LINKS WERE GIVEN AND THUS MINOR CORRECTIONS WERE CARRIED OUT IN THE ARTICLE REFERRED ABOVE.

HOPE NOW IT IS GOOD AND SET FOR PUBLISHING IN WIKIPEDIA

THANKS

DR.WILSON —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drwilsonaruni (talk • contribs) 19:40, April 26, 2010

Hello! Unfortunately, you didn't address my main concern. In Google's search results, they show a brief summary of the website address underneath each search result in green text. When the address is too long to fit, Google replaces part of the web address with "..." to save space. By copying the website locations for your references from the green text under each Google search result, vital information about the exact location of the website has been removed.

For example, see this reference (number 1). The website URL is given in the article as "www.mouthshut.com/.../Sree_Krishna_Lunch_Home_-_Madras-135582-1.html", but the actual URL should be "http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Sree_Krishna_Lunch_Home_-_Madras-135582-1.html". Since the one in the article has "..." in the middle instead of "review", it doesn't work as a web location - clicking on it would give you an error.

You will need to go through all of the references and fix all of the ones that have ... in them by replacing them with the full, correct website address. To get the address, click through the Google result, read the page you get to make sure it's an appropriate reference, then copy the URL from the address bar of that page. Please let me know if I can provide any further advice. --Darkwind (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Tenderloins

I want to thank you for placing the article in additional WP:DELSORT categories. Had you not done so, it is unlikely that I would have found it or sourced it, as my own interests revolve mainly around actor and film related articles. Nice job. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm glad I was able to help! --Darkwind (talk) 22:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Darkwind, thank you for your very prompt and informative response to my post. I've been reading as much as possible about how to properly create an article for Wikipedia, obviously I still have some learning ahead of me. Thanks for helping me prioritize. I'll attend to the issues raised, and be back for another round shortly. Best regards. Eaproadv (talk) 00:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Listening Rhetoric - Your Review

Darkwind~ I cannot say that I agree with your assessment of my entry on listening rhetoric. Booth's concept was not well known at the time of his death, even though he was a prolific scholar and thinker. Since he died only five years ago, this concept has not had time to become well researched, operationalized, and associated with other scholars. The whole point is that someone needed to write about it in order for it to be more widely known. This entry is excerpted from my Masters thesis (which is well researched), and the existence of primary sources indicates that it is too recent for there to be many secondary sources. There are a couple of reviews of his final book and one article about the deep listening aspect of listening rhetoric. I would be glad to add some information from these sources, however, scholarly research in a university setting requires primary sources, so to me, this qualifies as a scholarly article. I am now in a PhD program and will have a chance to operationalize it while doing engagement research and scholarship. I am perfectly happy to fix the "Ibid" references, and I can revise any parts that you think are not neutral, but I do think that listening rhetoric is important and deserves to be exposed to a wider audience. Please let me know what you want me to do.

Thanks, Mswhitaker56

I do apologize if you felt my description as "essay" was condescending; it was not intended that way - it's simply the closest pre-formatted term we have to describe what I saw.

Based on your description, I was basically correct in my assessment - the article would clearly fall under Wikipedia's definition of original research. Specifically, Wikipedia is not intended for the publication of ideas, research, or thought that are not already accepted and published elsewhere, or for the publication of novel synthesis of existing ideas. Although original research is accepted (and desired) in a thesis or other scholarly papers, it is not desired or accepted in Wikipedia.

Please carefully read the page I linked above, and decide whether you can write an article about listening rhetoric that falls within those parameters, with sufficient secondary sources to back it up. Otherwise, you would need to wait until there are additional published secondary sources that support the material in the article before it can be created. --Darkwind (talk) 01:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you are looking for a platform to publish your material specifically for the purpose of making listening rhetoric more widely known, then I respectfully submit that Wikipedia is not the place you're looking for. Wikipedia is not a platform for spreading new ideas, it is an encyclopedia. --Darkwind (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Darkwind~ I have revised my entry to include reviews of Booth's concept, and I have changed some of the verbiage that might be considered "not neutral." Please re-read the secondary sources I have added to see whether this might improve the entry. Given your description of Wikipedia's interest in information published elsewhere, Booth did publish listening rhetoric elsewhere; it is not original with me. I merely researched it and connected it to his other published works. So, from that perspective, it is encyclopedic. Booth was an important scholar, and his concepts are widely acknowledged in the Academy. I find it sort of astonishing that this is not considered important enough to be published in Wikipedia. I would think that it can be revised as more scholars choose to work with this concept, but given Booth's intention that this concept be widely accessible, I would think that Wikipedia would be an appropriate place for its publication.

Thanks, Mswhitaker

Thanks. I'm not trying to say I think listening rhetoric isn't "worth" being included in Wikipedia, but what I am saying is that there are certain policies that every article must adhere to, including verifiability, which is where we get our requirement for secondary sources. I think it might be best if I let someone else do the next review of your proposed article, so we can get a third opinion. How does that sound? --Darkwind (talk) 02:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

That's cool, but I don't understand how this is not "verifiable." All of Booth's works are published and can be readily inspected. The goal of my article is to connect his capstone work to the rest of his copious works. If you know anything about Booth, you know that his concept of the implied author has been a mainstay of literature courses for the past forty years. To be honest, this is our "final" in my Epistemology class, so even if it doesn't get published permanantly, I would appreciate it if you can leave it up until Wednesday evening. It's not that I don't want it published, because I think it's important, but it obviously doesn't meet the criteria for Wikipedia. I would like to have someone else review it just to get another opinion, but I understand if it just won't be accepted.

Thanks, Mswhitaker56

AfC Enterprise Architecture Profession

Hello Darkwind,

I've edited the article and reposted it for review. There are still references to be completed, which I am researching now. I'd appreciate your advice on whether the article is closer to proper NPOV, which is my goal. I've read (and re-read) the items you point out for study, and have done my best to follow the advice given. Let me know if I'm moving in the right direction. Thanks. Eaproadv (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look at this later today. --Darkwind (talk) 12:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

User:superldm/Miroamer

Hello Darkwind, :) Cool name! I came from your welcome! Thank you for that. May I ask you a favor please? I've made some correction of my page which is miRoamer. Could you please help me to check if it is okay to publish the page in Wikipedia? If okay, I will put it in mainspace. If not okay, could you please tell me what should I alter to make it available please? I appreciate any of your recommendation of what things I need to improve.
Superldm (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to take a look at it later today. --Darkwind (talk) 12:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jacob Sahayakumar Aruni

Hello Darkwind, i am sorry about the message you had given through this page.but i had deleted the external links to minimum earlier and now i had made still more deletions on it. i had also corrected the url pages as advised by you.

please go ahead and kindly recosider the same. thanks -wilson

At the time I'd moved the page from "hold" to "declined", you had edited the external link section, but you hadn't fixed the references yet. If you've done so, I'd be happy to take another look later today. --Darkwind (talk) 12:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to Move: Tree shaping to Arborsculpture

Tree shaping article has undergone a series of mayor changes in the last few days. Here is the page before and now Duff has now proposed to change the article's name from Tree shaping to Arborsculpture. If you are interested please come and comment on Talk:Tree shaping. I am contacting everyone who has edited about arborsculpture Blackash have a chat 08:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

Why did you remove that line that I added to Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace? I wanted to let them know that if you get a warning and another one, it goes to the next level. For example, if a user got a level 4 or 4im warning, it would mean that they would also be blocked the next time they do any of the actions listed in the multi-level category at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. Keyboard mouse (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any evidence of community consensus for that type of "escalation". Each problem edit needs to be handled on its own merits. For example, if a user has vandalized several times and reached a level 4 warning, we're not going to block them just because they later upload an otherwise usable image and forget to specify its copyright status. There are no automatic blocks, and blocks are preventive, not punitive. The whole idea of "automatic escalation" of warning levels across different types of misbehavior is against the spirit of WP:AGF. --Darkwind (talk) 03:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Look at User talk:3-5 file as an example of what I mean. First, the user vandalized, then created an inappropriate page, then vandalized again and got a final warning. Keyboard mouse (talk) 00:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I think the increased warning was appropriate, because creating vandal pages and vandalizing existing pages are two aspects of the same type of misbehavior. However, I still strongly believe that automatic go-to-the-next-level behavior is against the spirit of WP:AGF. Each problem edit should be handled individually, and increasing the warning level should only happen if it is clearly a continuation of previous behavior, and it seems the editor has disregarded the previous warnings. At any rate, we should stop discussing this here - this would better be handled on the talk page for the templates, so other editors can weigh in and form consensus. --Darkwind (talk) 06:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Actionable Intelligence page

Darkwind, can you please help me understand why our page Actionable Intelligence was deleted? Is it because it is a trademarked term? Was it because it was sited as a Verint trademark? I'm trying to get clarity from a novices perspective on what the violation was so we can correct. Thanks, JBrown Verint 11:50 AM Eastern Time, 05/03/2010

First, please see our Frequently Asked Questions for organizations and businesses. This covers a lot of what you must know as someone editing Wikipedia in connection with an organization.

Second, about the actionable intelligence page itself: It was not deleted specifically because the term is trademarked, insofar as we have lots of articles about trademarked terms, such as ActiveX, Big Mac, and Crystal Pepsi. The primary reason that the article was deleted was because it appeared to be promotional or advertising material for your organization or its products or services. Wikipedia is not a place for advertising or promotion. More generally, "marketing speak" or PR materials are not acceptable as they are not considered encyclopedic, and are typically not neutral in point-of-view. For more specific information, please see this section of the business FAQ as well as the third paragraph of this section.

The bottom line is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and to that end, all articles must be about notable topics, written in a neutral point of view. The article you created about actionable intelligence did not appear to meet either of these criteria.

Also - please sign your additions to talk pages with four tildes at the end, as such: ~~~~. This automatically produces your signature and a timestamp in UTC. --Darkwind (talk) 16:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Darkwind, thanks for the feedback. It's a lot to keep straight. I'm certainly not trying to post this in terms of an Advertisement or PR push. I'll try to re-word so it is more generic and hopefully meets the letter and spirit of the Wikipedia guidelines. When it is ready, can you give it a review to see if it conforms with the necessary guidelines? If not is there an editor you can recommend?Jbrown verint (talk) 19:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

What I would suggest is either use the Articles for creation process, or create a Userspace draft of the new article and then request feedback from Wikipedia:Requests for feedback. Both of these processes give you a much better chance of someone reviewing the article sooner than if you were to wait for me to look it over. However, if you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them. --Darkwind (talk) 19:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll do that. I'll also include some references of where the term actionable intelligence is used and how it is used to describe specific action/data. Thanks again. Jbrown verint (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, JBrown Verint, in view of your username, you should read WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest. Wikipedia is not a notice-board for companies to promote their products. JohnCD (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Pointers needed for Los Tres Gusanos page please

Hello Darkwind,

Sorry I couldn't get back online within 24 hours of submittinng my Los Tres Gusanos page. I've been away.

The page was declined because of referencing problems.

I tried to give references for just about everyting on the page, but I must admit I'm new at this and perhaps I've missed something.

Is there something specific I need to change or perhaps should leave out entirely?

I hope you can help a newbie out.

Cheers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Los_Tres_Gusanos

4th May 2010 88.107.69.73 (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Copy-Edit

Hello, excuse me, Could make a copy-edit to the article "Forgive Me"? Please, if it is no trouble for you. If not i'll understand it. Thank you very much. Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 04:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

New section

{{helpme}} I don't know why my last edit was marked as vandalism??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pistolsoftheheart (talk • contribs) 16:53, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Because this is patent nonsense. Also, please don't put the {{helpme}} template on someone else's talk page, and remember to sign your comments on talk pages by adding ~~~~ at the end of the comment. --Darkwind (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

He's complaining about a similar edit which I reverted too. Tommy2010 16:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

You see why my talk page is protected? Tommy2010 17:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Andrea Pirlo edit

Ok, so you set Andrea Pirlo's age back to 40 while I corrected it to his real age of 30. I am italian and I know his real age cause he plays for my country, but if you want a source: http://www.goal.com/en/people/italy/50/andrea-pirlo there you go. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.16.15.143 (talk) 03:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, then change it back in the article and use <ref> tags to include the source. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for specific instructions. --Darkwind (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I think the age of this player is pretty much of common knowledge so I don't think you would need a reference for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.16.15.143 (talk) 04:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The point I was trying to make was that the reference isn't for me, it's for the article. The message I left for you originally said "If you believe the information that you added was correct, please cite the references or sources or before making the changes"; this means cite them in the article, not cite them at the person who was talking to you. --Darkwind (talk) 04:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I haven't seen any other articles that cites specific references when it comes to the age of someone, and your own article stated his birth year to be 1979, while the only thing that didn't state that was the box so I just don't think u would need to add a reference there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.16.15.143 (talk) 04:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

More references are never bad. However, if you don't want to add it, don't add it, it's not like I can make you do it. Also, please indent your comments using colons (:) at the front, and sign them by adding ~~~~ at the end. --Darkwind (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok so I added a reference, does that work for you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.16.15.143 (talk) 04:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

... As I've been trying to say, the reference isn't for me, it's for the article and the community of editors at large. --Darkwind (talk) 12:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Grant Park Music Festival

Would you please revisit the Grant Park Music Festival PR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Atari Pacman

The story about Frye approaching mangament before the completion of Pacman is entirely anecdotal. Pac Man was completed in October 1981, and Frye approached managment about compensation issues in February 1982 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldgamecoder (talk • contribs) 21:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

RfM on Tree shaping->Arborsculpture

Hello. You may want to ring in on the RfM survey at Tree shaping->Arborsculpture RfM at some point during the next seven days. Blackash have a chat 10:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar

Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, about 30 editors helped remove the {{copyedit}} tag from 1175 articles. The backlog is still over 7500 articles, and extends back to the beginning of 2008! We really need your help to reduce it. Copyediting just a couple articles can qualify you for a barnstar. Serious copyeditors can win prestigious and exclusive rewards. See the event page for more information. And thanks for your consideration. ɳorɑfʈ^Talk! 14:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

AfC- World Centre of Excellence for Destinations

I disagree with you declining the submission of this article, because I feel that it qualifies for notability. The primary criteria for determining whether an organization is notable or not is not whether the organization has won some awards, but whether it has received significant coverage in secondary sources. A simple search through Google proves that the organization has received significant coverage in secondary sources, and it has also made high-importance contracts with some governments. The topic, instead of not being notable, is instead in need of a few more additions to eliminate any remaining notability concerns, which is why I put it on hold instead of declining it. --Slon02 (talk) 15:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive Wrap-up

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thanks to all who participated in the drive! Over 100 editors—including Jimbo Wales—signed up this time (nearly triple the participants of the May drive). This benefited the Guild as well as the articles in need of copy editing. You can see from the comparison graphs that we increased the number of completed copyedits substantially. Unfortunately, we were not able to meet our goal of completely wiping out 2008 from the queue. We also were not able to reduce the backlog to less than 6,000 articles. We suspect people were busy with real life summertime things, at least in the northern hemisphere! We were able to remove the months of January, February, March, April, and May from the backlog, and we almost wiped out the month of June. We reduced the backlog by 1,289 articles (17%), so all in all it was a very successful drive, and we will be holding another event soon. We'll come up with some new ideas to try to keep things fresh and interesting. Keep up the good work, everybody!

Stats
If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you edited in the May 2010 GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive, your word totals are cumulative for barnstars (not the leaderboard). Over the course of the next week or two, we will be handing out the barnstars.

Eight people will receive The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Barnstar (100,000+ words): Chaosdruid, Diannaa, Ericleb01, Lfstevens, Shimeru, S Masters, The Utahraptor, and Torchiest.
Bullock and Slon02 will receive The Order of the Superior Scribe (80,000+).
The Barnstar of Diligence (60,000+) goes to Derild4921, GaryColemanFan, kojozone, and Mlpearc.
The Modern Guild of Copy Editors Barnstar (40,000+) goes to A. Parrot, AirplanePro, Auntieruth55, Bejinhan, David Rush, and mono.
Nobody will receive The Old School League of Copy Editors award (30,000+).
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar (20,000+) goes to Backtable, Cindamuse, dtgriffith, Duff, e. ripley, Laurinavicius, NerdyScienceDude, and TEK.
The Cleanup Barnstar (12,000+) goes to Brickie, Casliber, cymru lass, December21st2012Freak, Nolelover, TheTito, Whoosit, and YellowMonkey.
The Working Man's Barnstar (8,000+) goes to Bsherr, Duchess of Bathwick, HELLKNOWZ, Mabeenot, noraft, Pyfan, and Richard asr.
The Modest Barnstar (4,000+) goes to Adrian J. Hunter, Airplaneman, Annalise, Camerafiend, Cricket02, Fetchcomms, Gosox5555, LeonidasSpartan, Paulmnguyen, Piotrus, SuperHamster, Taelus, and TPW.

Gold Star Award

**Gold Star Award Leaderboard**
	Articles	Words	5k+ Articles
1.	Diannaa (248)	Shimeru (200,392)	Shimeru/Ericleb01 (13)
2.	Slon02 (157)	Diannaa (164,960)	Chaosdruid (8)
3.	GaryColemanFan (101)	Chaosdruid (130,630)	Derild4921 (7)
4.	Torchiest (100)	The Utahraptor (117,347)	GaryColemanFan/Slon02 (6)
5.	Shimeru (80)	Ericleb01 (114,893)	Bejinhan/The Utahraptor (5)

Coordinator: ɳorɑfʈ^Talk! Co-coordinators: Diannaa ^TALK and S Masters (talk) | Newsletter by: The Raptor ^{You rang?}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions}

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Utahraptor at 22:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC).

November 2010 backlog elimination drive update

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

Discussions are underway to elect our inaugural group of GOCE Coordinators. Guild members and Drive participants are invited to have a look at the Coordinators page and join the discussion on its associated talk page.

We have reached the midway point in our backlog elimination drive, so here is an update.

Participation report — The November drive has 53 participants at this point. We had 77 participants in the September drive. In July, 95 people signed up for the drive, and in May we had 36. If you are not participating, it is not too late to join!

Progress report — The drive is quite successful so far, as we have already almost reached our target of a 10% reduction in the number of articles in the backlog. We are doing very well at keeping our Requests page clear, as those articles count double for word count for this drive.

Please keep in mind the possibility of removing other tags when you are finished with an article. If the article no longer needs {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, or other similar maintenance tags, please remove them, as this will make the tasks of other WikiProjects easier to complete. Thanks very much for participating in the Drive, and see you at the finish line!

Your drive coordinators –The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions}, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa ^(Talk)

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Utahraptor (talk) at 15:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC).

GOCE elections

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

Elections are currently underway for our inaugural Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days: 00:01 UTC, Friday 1 December – 23:59 UTC, Tuesday 14 December. All GOCE members in good standing, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. There are six candidates vying for four positions. The candidate with the highest number of votes will become the Lead Coordinator, therefore, your vote really matters! Cast your vote today.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors via SMasters using AWB on 01:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

We have reached the end of our fourth backlog elimination drive. Thanks to all who participated.

Stats

58 people signed up for this drive. Of these, 48 people participated in the drive.
Although we did not eliminate the months we planned to (January, February, and March 2009; and August, September, and October 2010), we did reduce the backlog by 627 articles (11.2%), which was over our goal of 10%.
49 awards will go out to 33 of 48 participants. Check out the complete list of barnstar winners here.

Barnstars

If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the September 2010 backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering these barnstars within the next couple of weeks.

Our next drive is scheduled for January 2011. In the meantime, please consider helping out at the Wikification drive or any of the other places where help with backlogs is needed.

Thank you for participating in the last 2010 backlog elimination drive! We look forward to seeing you in January!

Your drive coordinators –The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions}, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa ^(Talk)

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GOCE Year-end Report

Season's Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2010. Read all about these in the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report.

Highlights

Membership grows to 503 editors
2,589 articles removed through four Backlog elimination drives
Our encounter with Jimbo Wales
Guild home pages reorganized and redesigned
Report on our inaugural elections
Guild Plans for 2011
New barnstars introduced
Requests page improved
Sign up for the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive!

Get your copy of the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report here On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. See you in 2011!
– Your Coordinators: S Masters (lead), Diannaa, The Utahraptor, and Tea with toast.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 06:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

A question about my page

Hi Darkwind,

I was wondering how to make my page more "popular". The problem I have here is that I cannot search for my page unless I type its full name. Thanks for helping!!

Umbernisitani (talk) 04:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)Umbernisitani

Hello! I'm not very familiar with how the suggestions in the search bar work, but I believe it is based on how many other pages link to your article. That means that as other Wikipedians discover the new article and link to it from appropriate pages, it will become more popular (and show up higher in search suggestions) over time. However, remember that the goal on Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedia, not to make popular pages! :) --Darkwind (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

regarding Audi V8 article

Well, I try, but the way the article is now - it is not neutral also. As the car actually have a huge amount of in-built design problems which was the reason for short discontinueing of the model. People must see the other hand of the medal. Believe me, I own one and it's not as affordable and simple as it's written. It is the least reliable Audi model ever built actually. p.s. I'm Diskovod on Wiki, I'm just not logged in. 109.205.248.86 (talk) 05:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, maybe later. But anyway the article must be written for all people, not car mechanics. I own '84 Celica GT-R, a quite rare japanese version, '74 Ford Taunus, which is "as simple as drum" (as we say in Russian) and an Audi V8 as a daily driver. Or daily not driver because of the lazy engineers. Because it's phenomenonly unreliable for an Audi. I mean the electrical systems aswell as engine, brakes and hydraulics. You would NEVER see an Audi V8 with more than 200 miles on. Cause they die damn dead at this mileage. And every guy searching for a cheap daily driver should think twice reading the article and choose Lexus LS400, not a pinnacle of Ingolstadt engineering of the late 80s. Well, it's 8:50 AM here, in Saint-Petersburg, Russia and I have just came from a night fixing my friend's C32 AMG and I want to sleep. BTW, I've been in SF in 1998. That's a very nice city! Thanks anyway and good luck. Alex. 109.205.248.86 (talk) 05:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive news

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! The drive is halfway over, so here are some mid-drive stats.

Participation

So far, 43 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 25 have participated. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now.

Progress report

We have eliminated two months from the backlog – January and February 2009. One of our goals is to eliminate as many months as possible from the 2009 backlog. Please help us reduce the size of this part of the backlog if you haven't already. Another goal is to reduce the entire backlog by 10%, or by 515 articles. Currently, we have eliminated 375 articles from the queue, so if each participant copy edits four more articles, we will reach that goal.

Thank you for participating in the January 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa ^(Talk), The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}, and Tea with toast (Talk)

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Sorry

Hey, thanks for taking out that stuff my kid added. My wife didn't realize what he was doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.207.56 (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Message from Alphonso125

Darkwind,

In the article about "Sister Souljah" moments I added a few words to complete a statement that Jessie Jackson made about (then) Senator Obama.

I found these changes reversed and received a warning that I was "vandalizing". I do not understand how an historically accurate correction could possibly be deemed as vandalism.

Can you tell me, please, why the addition of a few accurate words is objectinable to you?

Alphonso125 (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

If you believe that the words you are adding are accurate, then you need to cite a reliable source that verifies this information. Otherwise, it can be considered a slander of Rev. Jackson, and that falls under the biographies of living persons policy that basically says you can't say anything negative about a living person if you do not (in the same edit) include a source that verifies the statement. Please read over the links I've provided here and let me know if you have any further questions. --Darkwind (talk) 23:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe that you are overseeing the editing about Jessie Jackson and you did not know about that comment. It was national news for a week (on some outlets). I've added a source... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphonso125 (talk • contribs) 23:38, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

First, it doesn't matter if I know about what he said or not. It's Wikipedia's policy of verifiability that matters. Just like "everyone knows" that FDR said the famous quote about "nothing to fear but fear itself" - if you're going to quote it in Wikipedia, you still need to cite a source. Also, I'm not overseeing anything, I'm just doing vandalism patrols. I guarantee you if you insert the words "cut his nuts off" into just about any Wikipedia article, the edit will pop up on no less than 10 editor's screens (and probably a bot or two as well), and your addition will be removed post-haste, unless you use an edit summary and cite a reliable source. --Darkwind (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Darkwind, Fair enough. I'm new here. I think, however, that a request for a citation may be more appropriate than an accusation of "vandalism" in some cases.

Alphonso125 (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

You might be right as far as that goes, but the tool I was using does not offer a choice of user messages to leave for the user whose changes are being removed. I apologize if you feel insulted by the message(s) I left for you. --Darkwind (talk) 03:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Mad Doctor X

Hello. I edited Mad Doctor Xs name as it was wrong. It was reverted back. I am the artist and my name is Jason Carter, not tunbridge. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monty Propps (talk • contribs) 00:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thing is, the article has had that name in it since 2008, and if someone comes along and changes all the names without citing a source, it sure looks like vandalism. I looked online and can't find anything but Wikipedia that references a name for this artist, so it's kind of hard to prove either way. --Darkwind (talk) 03:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's easier for me to prove I am the writer than for you to prove I am not. Check with PRS (Performing Rights Society) and they will confirm that credits for Mad Doctor X are FJ Carter. If you check with Discogs you will also see they list FJ Carter as Mad Doctor X. Now please, be a good fellow and leave the correct information as it is now. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monty Propps (talk • contribs) 22:32, January 29, 2011

Wikipedia Campus Ambassador needed

Hi! My name is Annie Lin - I'm the Campus Team Coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm contacting you because you're listed as a resident of San Francisco, and we're currently looking for a friendly Wikipedian to teach students in a University of San Francisco class how to use/edit Wikipedia. This is a role titled the "Wikipedia Campus Ambassador," and you'll basically be doing in-class presentations about Wikipedia, running Wikipedia labs/workshops, and in general providing face-to-face Wikipedia help for the professor and the students in the class. The time commitment is about 3-5 hours a week (with variations throughout the semester), and for this particular University of San Francisco class, most of the workload will be between March and May.

Please let me know if you're interested!

Thanks. Annie Lin (Campus Team Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Darkwind, thanks for the welcome info on my new user page. Still getting used to everything on here :) I'm pedantic about formatting so guess that's a good thing!

Have created my first page and posted it to be reviewed however it hasn't received any feedback yet. Is this something you are able to do? Not sure of the protocol here.

If it is, the page link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Purenews/X_Media_Lab

Thanks again Cheers

Purenews (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Reference source links

Hello, I appreciate your advice earlier regarding sources that can be used in the wikipedia, specifically paywall sites. I have now run into the same issue but on another article, discussion here and wonder if you might have some input on that particular link. Thank you. SirShill (talk) 18:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We have reached the end of the month and the end of another successful drive; thanks to all who participated.

Statistics

54 people signed up for the year's first Backlog elimination drive. Of these, 40 participated.
One of our goals was to reduce the size of the backlog by at least 10%. We managed to reduce the backlog by 633 articles, or about 12%.
Another goal was to eliminate as many 2009 months as possible from the queue. We eliminated January, February, March, and April—4 out of 12 months is not bad! In addition, we eliminated 37% of all remaining 2009 articles from the queue.
Chaosdruid copy edited Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya for 32,711 words, which is the largest single article completed in one of our drives so far. This article counts as six 5000-K articles, and Chaosdruid wins the "most 5000-K articles" leaderboard category. Way to go! A complete list of individual results is here.

Barnstars

If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the November 2010 Backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering the barnstars within the next couple of weeks.

Thank you for participating in this year's first Backlog elimination drive! We hope to see you in March.

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (talk), The Utahraptor (talk), and Tea with toast (talk)

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IPs

Hi. There's a WP:WQA going on here] about the behaviour of an IP. You put a notice on his talkpage back in April saying it was a dynamic IP. The complainant thinks it looks like a static IP. Can you check please( if it is possible) what the situation is with the IP. Many thanks. Fainites ^barleyscribs 11:05, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Tree shaping

There is a proposed Topic Ban for Blackash and Slowart on Tree shaping related articles at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents As you have had some involvement with these editors in question, you may wish to comment. Blackash have a chat 00:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter

The Guild of Copy Editors – May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive

The Guild of Copy Editors invite you to participate in the May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive began on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). The goals of this backlog elimination drive are to eliminate as many articles as possible from the 2009 backlog and to reduce the overall backlog by 15%. ! NEW ! In an effort to encourage the final elimination of all 2009 articles, we will be tracking them on the leaderboard for this drive.

Awards and barnstars
A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants. Some are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

We look forward to meeting you on the drive! Your GOCE coordinators: SMasters, Diannaa, Tea with toast, Chaosdruid, and Torchiest

You are receiving a copy of this newsletter as you are a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, or have participated in one of our drives. If you do not wish to receive future newsletters, please add you name here. Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 07:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)