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It's not out of context: it's copyrighted, and it doesn't "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic", nor would its omission be "detrimental to that understanding." It has been used as decoration, and doesn't add anything to the article that can't be done with words.—Kww(talk) 23:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Joran's mother's maiden surname.

G'day KimChee.

With all due respect I'd like to inform you on some info regarding Joran's mother's maiden surname, as I don't want to get to both of us involved in edit warring.

Her biography can be found on her own site here; [1]. I know that's not the type of reliable news source you'd prefer as a credible reference, but the I'd like to point out some as logical as 1 plus 1 makes? She's originally from Arnhem, The Netherlands, indeed the same as Joran's place of birth, and she's about the same age as his late father. Aruba roughly has 100,000 inhabitants [as per 2009], and you'd have to agree that the chance of there being another Anita van der Sloot residing on Aruba is quite slim, as in equal to nil.

Apart from this I have a far-far-off acquaintance who personally met her way back when, even before Joran was born, and his - shall we say? - "first hand" information on her is the last type of info either you or Wikipedia would accept and include as a reference worth publishing.

Best of greetings and keep up the good work, Qwrk (talk) 19:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Qwrk, your edits look like they were done with straightforward intentions and I think it's unlikely that there are going to be many Anita van der Sloots on the island of Aruba, but since there presently is a WP:BLP notice on the top of the page, the edits are being held to a higher standard. Your firsthand knowledge may be correct, but that also falls under the "no original research" rule without verifiability. If a more established "high quality" third party source does confirm this detail, then the criteria will have been met. KimChee (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I tend to agree with KimChee's decision here. Anita van der Sloot is not a particularly rare name, and the chances of there being two is actually fairly decent. Common names vary from place to place, and we would need more evidence to connect the two. This is probably the same AvdS, but not necessarily the same one.—Kww(talk) 19:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
G'day KimChee.
Thanks for being this fast in replying and yes, you're absolutely correct on all issues. That's why I'll leave it the way it is as, with all respect, it doesn't add significantly to the greater knowledge of mankind. Some info is more important than others. Qwrk (talk) 19:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Volume of NH submission

Could I ask you to be cautious in adding material to the NH article? We need a minimum of information in this one, more can be read in the VDS article. Many thanks,--Wehwalt (talk) 22:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. KimChee (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks, the outside input is welcomed. Rather than encourage an edit war by reverting without changes, I'll try a different approach so that the contextual significance can be justified. KimChee (talk) 08:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Peru prison DYK nomination

Have you considered submitting it at WP:DYK? I think there is still time.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

  • You may find this helpful although I would search for a version of the article that won't expire soon.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I just nominated it and will take a look at that article. Thanks for your help. KimChee (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the article, I found a version hosted by Google/AP and incorporated some information regarding Miguel Castro Castro. KimChee (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of National Penitentiary Institute (Peru)

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of National Penitentiary Institute (Peru) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Thelmadatter (talk) 17:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC) BTW... I like your nick... yummy!Thelmadatter (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, your comment here has been addressed. KimChee (talk) 18:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

gardner nom

Cool, thanks! Btw, I also have topical Birgitta Jónsdóttir for June 17 creations up as well. Keep on keepin' on! --Rajah (talk) 21:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for National Penitentiary Institute (Peru)

RlevseTalk 06:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ronnie Lee Gardner

-- Cirt (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Stylistic suggestion

One of the criticisms when we were building the Holloway article is that too many sentences began with "On Month Day,". We consciously mixed it up (same thing for how paragraphs begin). I think there is something about writing an article about events that come out in dribs and drabs over a long term, because you seem to do the same thing. Suggest a similar remedy, sometimes bury the date in the sentence or begin with the event that happened on that day, it isn't difficult. Just a suggestion.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, I will look out for that. I tend to wait about a week before doing cleanup so that the incoming bits of news can be organized to flow in a more unified manner (e.g. the lawyer quit, but then he didn't). KimChee (talk) 23:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Minsky

-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Alan Minsky

RlevseTalk 12:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Colton Harris-Moore

The image you added to the infobox is not property of the FBI. Though they are using it, the rights Colton Harris-Moore has to this image have not been transferred to the FBI. That image is a derivative of File:Colton_Harris-Moore.jpg. The image on Commons has been marked for speedy deletion because of this, and this image was in fact already removed from the article earlier today. Please don't use it again. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 17:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Apologies. There was no intention of reverting your removal. I was updating the infobox from an earlier edit with other information. KimChee (talk) 17:43, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Not a problem. Would you be kind enough to remove it please? I'm not interested in conveying the idea to onlookers that I'm edit warring. (If there's further discussion, we can keep it here) --Hammersoft (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Whoever posted it earlier has replaced it with a screenshot of the entire wanted poster. Thoughts? KimChee (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I've tagged it for speedy deletion on Commons. That the FBI is using those photos doesn't mean they're holding rights to them. The left most image is copyright Colton himself. The middle and right images are property of the Island County Sheriffs Department, and in the State of Washington, their Open Records Law forbids the release of booking photos (which these are). They are bound by law NOT to release rights to these images. So, all three images in that wanted poster are copyrighted. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Federal Detention Center, Miami

KimChee, I made some comments on your DYK. Both hooks are awesome, maybe someone else has an opinion. There is more though, check it out.--NortyNort (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the vote of support. I prepared the alternate hook (which was selected) because I knew the famous barefoot inmate was scheduled to be transferred anyway. Ironically, I started a new article about the other facility he ended up at for another try and found yet another hook that might work out better. KimChee (talk) 05:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC).
This was predictable, but funny. The secondary link underwire bra got more hits than Federal Detention Center, Miami, the primary link of the hook. KimChee (talk) 04:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Yea, I'm not going to lie, I looked at the underwire bra article first too. I just wanted to confirm I knew what it was, ahum. After a DYK, I like looking the next day through the pages linked in the DYK article's intro to see where people went. It is interesting to see. That other hook is good btw. --NortyNort (Holla) 08:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Federal Detention Center, SeaTac

RlevseTalk 12:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Porta

RlevseTalk 00:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for United States Penitentiary, Lee

RlevseTalk 00:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Illegals Program

You may wish to look at my comment at Talk:Illegals Program#Mug shots and respond if you wish. The bottom line is that I am proposing that the mug shots, which are now in the article twice, only be in the article once, although some may feel they should not be there at all. I am also posting this notice at User talk:Suomi Finland 2009. Neutron (talk) 23:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Problems with DYK nomination

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Beth Holloway at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

You can't spin off an article using mostly preexisting material and have a DYK, because of Rule 1, first bullet point.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Good point, then double-nom instead of a triple-nom? KimChee (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I looked at the other ones, they are fine. Don't forget to amend the nom.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for United States Penitentiary, Tucson

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Natalee Holloway (film)

RlevseTalk 00:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith

RlevseTalk 00:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Luitingh-Sijthoff

-- Cirt (talk) 06:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Albertus Willem Sijthoff

-- Cirt (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for De zaak Natalee Holloway

RlevseTalk 18:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy KimChee's Day!

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KimChee has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as KimChee's Day!
For being a great person and awesome Wikipedian,
enjoy being the star of the day, KimChee!

Signed, Neutralhomer

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...NeutralhomerTalk • 05:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! KimChee (talk) 07:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

You are quite Welcome! :) Keep up the great work! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


for the cake dude. keep up the good work, Tom B (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Trickett Smith II

-- Cirt (talk) 06:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


Keep up the great work on Aruba!! Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! KimChee (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Patrick van der Eem

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Patrick van der Eem at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 03:53, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review the submission. Please see my response on your talk page or the DYK nomination of Patrick van der Eem. KimChee (talk) 04:39, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
My bad, have responded. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 05:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fort Zoutman

RlevseTalk 12:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Aruba Police Force

RlevseTalk 12:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick van der Eem

RlevseTalk 18:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Albert Greenwood Brown

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Albert Greenwood Brown at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for catching that detail. A new hook and a new source (Reference #8) in a new lead paragraph has been added to address the expiration date as having happened in past tense. KimChee (talk) 06:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Greenwood Brown

The DYK project (nominate) 06:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

{{user page}} edits


I've added a note to template talk:user page#Code overhaul regarding the problem raised with my edit. Please respond there. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 17:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Plymouth Congregational Church (Lawrence, Kansas)

-- Cirt (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Albert Taylor

RlevseTalk 12:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Barton Kay Kirkham

RlevseTalk 06:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Sheryl Allen

I'm glad you have a Sheryl Allen page going. I will delete my working page. --Thelema12 (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I was able to combine information from the two pages. KimChee (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

GA review: Murder of Suzanne Capper

Hi, thanks for the pointers in the review; I've addressed them as best I can, although attempting to rewrite it to fit only those references available online would, imho, be too restrictive, taking place as it did before the internet really existed. Keristrasza (talk) 13:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I have posted additional responses, but would like to ask: Did you make this assessment of your own article? KimChee (talk) 00:44, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
To avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, I submitted the article for reassessment at WP:BIOGRAPHY/A before continuing further with the GA review. This should not take very long; the editors there are good and it will be to the article's benefit to have another pair of unbiased eyes look at it. Also, I would recommend that you resubmit your other self-assessed articles (listed below) as it is implicit with most WP projects that sections for assessment requests exist to have other editors review articles. KimChee (talk) 13:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
See WP:ASSESS: project quality assessments are not official assessments and are meant "for the internal use of the project, and usually do not imply any official standing within Wikipedia as a whole." These aren't peer reviews or GA or FA reviews, merely assessments determined by where an article fits into the scale. Assessments for GA and FA are made by external panels, for obvious reasons. The Suzanne Capper article wasn't rated as part of the Biography project by me - I don't belong to that project. In fact, you rated it as B, and similarly rated it as B for the Crime project. A third user rated it as B for the Greater Manchester project. If there is any issue with the way ratings have been applied, it is perhaps that others - not me - have simply copied a rating made for one project (in this case, WikiProject British crime) and added it to other projects without bothering to check if the article merited that rating. If you didn't believe it to be a B class article, you shouldn't have added that. The British crime project's assessment criteria may be found here. You say you are submitting Capper for biography reassessment - that's fine, but it was you who made the first Biography project assessment, not me. Assessments are not set in stone, anybody can reassess them at any time. I'm sure you won't find that I have ever over-inflated the rating of any article, anywhere. Keristrasza (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
I am familiar with the guidelines. I likely would have rated the article B anyway and I will honor the opinions of any third party, but from experience a requested assessor of a new or recently updated article tends to take more time to review it. I am doing this out of an overabundance of caution so there are no questions of conflict of interest following the GA review. I could ask for a second opinion during the GA review, but this process is quite backlogged and I find the editors at WP:Biography to be responsive and helpful. KimChee (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Already done. Please check the GA review page as the references are the last outstanding item. KimChee (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Apologies if I somehow came across as caustic, I was just trying to explain why within projects I am less likely to seek a second opinion unless I think an article is higher than C or B - I didn't intend to question your familiarity with the guidelines. Thank you for the opinion though, and I will obviously take care in future if working on an article better than Start class. With regard to Capper, I will sit down today and Google the newspaper headlines as soon as my toddler falls asleep. Keristrasza (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
No worries. Many Wikiprojects are arguably dormant, including the WP:CRIME group I am part of, so I find WP:BIOGRAPHY to be helpful as they are fairly broad with a consistent group of editors to deal with assessment requests. KimChee (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Joran van der Sloot

The article Joran van der Sloot you nominated as a good article has failed Symbol unsupport vote.svg; see Talk:Joran van der Sloot for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a reassessment. Aaron north (T/C) 02:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


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Re:Review of John Albert Taylor

Oops, missed those. Now done. Thanks for the cake! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 20:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ronnie Lee Gardner

The article Ronnie Lee Gardner you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Ronnie Lee Gardner for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Aaron north (T/C) 16:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Mitchell Parsons

RlevseTalk 18:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Wallace Wilkerson

That was an extremely interesting read! Thanks! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Mitchell Parsons peer review

Hi there, I've left some comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Joseph Mitchell Parsons/archive1. --BelovedFreak 20:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wallace Wilkerson

-- Cirt (talk) 18:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Gee Jon

Orlady (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nevada State Prison

Orlady (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Northern Nevada Correctional Center

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Joran van der Sloot

Is there a reason you deleted this source? KimChee (talk) 04:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I deleated it, because when i clicked on the reference site, the site did not have the information the it supposdly referenced. I'm sorry if i complicated things i do not edit pages very often and was trying help —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
It may have been hard to find in the CNN article because information from sources is ideally paraphrased and not copied verbatim. Search for the word "silence" in the article and you will find the information corresponding to the last sentence of that paragraph. KimChee (talk) 17:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Abraham Curry

Orlady (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eagle Valley (Nevada)

Orlady (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Vito Cascioferro review

Dear KimChee, I tried to answer some of your suggestions. I do not always agree, but highly appreciate your comments. Thank you for making the effort. - DonCalo (talk) 15:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I hope you don't mind the review coming in segments. I do want to be thorough. KimChee (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't mind the review coming in segments, but I will be not available for a couple of weeks starting next week. - DonCalo (talk) 16:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry, but the review process let me to look at the article again and I made some changes. I realize that does not make your job easier. You can check the changes since you last edit here: [2]. - DonCalo (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
This is perfectly fine and I have taken them into account for the next step. GA review typically allows a week for improvements to the article. KimChee (talk) 02:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Chandra Levy

I have left my response on the talk page. Please read it and reconsider your edit. I thinik we should discuss this on the article talk page rather than the individual editor talk pages. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your note. I think we will have more time to do the necessary research after we finish the GA review, which is expected to be completed "within a day." Again, we should both be looking for a source that identifies in which of the BOP central office buildings Chandra Levy worked. Let's hold off until we find a good source. Thank you for your understanding. Racepacket (talk) 20:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Per your previous recommendation, I have moved follow up discussion to the article's talk page. KimChee (talk) 20:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Andriza Mircovich

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

TYTY for the Barnstar, what a nice surprise! I'll see what I can find for the lead/lede. Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 22:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Denver S. Dickerson

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Federal Bureau of Prisons image

I saw you were questioning use of File:Federal Bureau of Prisons Central office.jpg. See commons:File:Federal Home Loan Bank Board Building.jpg. Same building, clearly free file. TJRC (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


You need to wikify reference #11 in the Curry article, I must learn how! Made a few changes, which I hope you think enhance the article. :-D DocOfSoc (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Denver Dickerson

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Levy article

I have deliberately not edited the Levy article so I could rate it. I changed to a C because that is all I can do at this point. . It is really well done, at least a B, and ready for GA, IMHO. Happy Thanksgiving! DocOfSoc (talk) 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

  • I would appreciate it as a personal favor if you could back off on revisions to the Chandra Levy article until after the GA review is completed. We need a stable article for the review, and your edits are delaying it. I have waited months to get the article review and the review commenced. I then asked for a short delay of 48 hours following the verdit, but the stream of edits is prolonging that. I am also deleting the photo of 320 First Street until we can determine which building had Levy's office. I would appreciate your understanding on all of this until the review can be completed. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 23:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
While I like to see articles promoted, I strongly believe that stability (not counting vandalism) should come naturally, not by requesting other editors to "back off". I believe the problem lies more in that the GA nomination may have been premature, as the article at that time was too short, had only one photo which did not have a proper fair use template, lacked citations in a number of places, and needed some rewriting to address copyvio problems. I only seek to improve the article. I hope you understand. Cirt should be commended for the display of patience. KimChee (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
How about we find a senior, experienced editor to arbitrate the issues of:
  1. Are the prison photos relevant to the article?
  2. Should we use the photo of 320 First Street given the current level of sources available?
  3. Should we include the pull quotes as pull quotes or integrate them into the prose of the article?
We both agree in advance to abide by the abitrator's decision. In this manner we can avoid an edit war and get the GA review concluded.
Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As I noticed my previous responses to your talk page have been deleted, I will respond at Talk:Chandra Levy. KimChee (talk) 07:19, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I left this proposal on your personal talk page because it relates to how we interact as individual editors and warrants your immediate attention. I left it after Cirt did his review and want to get the three issues resolved in the next three days. Are you willing to accept my suggestion for an arbitrator? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 16:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I was not sure where to proceed as my most recent response to your talk page had been deleted. Who did you have in mind? I respect Cirt's experience and think his judgement should be sufficient; he has offered to check again in 48 hours before concluding his review within the week. I have no intention of disrupting the process. However, I am concerned about the timing of the anonymous IP edits at commons - I would sincerely like to believe these events are not connected in some retaliatory measure. KimChee (talk) 17:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

─────────────────────────It would have to be someone other than Cirt, because he is the reviewer. I ran into two experienced editors recently, who did not necessarily agree with me on that controversy: User:Voceditenore and User:4meter4 who generally edit music articles. User:PhilKnight runs the Mediation cabal and might also be willing to do a quick informal arbitrartion based on a couple of statements sent by the two of us on these three question. To me the outcome is less important than getting this settled quickly. Racepacket (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought about this and I am willing to put all of that aside until Cirt is finished with his review. I think looking for arbitration to settle the matter hastily is the wrong approach, as opposed to taking the time to get it done right. I think some of the issues raised are symptomatic of the fact that the article has never been through a peer review, and perhaps such a process with an objective editor and less pressure for time would be of greater benefit in the long run. KimChee (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I am not trying to get crosswise with you and think that if we both back off a bit this will go very smoothly. We obviously have miscommunicated on a few simple things like my edits to your polling data. I think that Cirt is looking for some signal on the talk page that we have resolved the issues raised there. I think specifically the talk page sections labelled. "Bureau of Prisons photo", "Quotations" and "Condit polling data" I propose one of two ways to wrap this up: 1) I could post a statement on the page, perhaps under "Timing of GA Review" saying that I am willing to live with the article in its current form on the issues in dispute if you are, and you can reply yes, or 2) I can post a message on Cirt's talk page saying we have resolved the issues. What do you think? Meantime lets focus on Impacts, Memorials and Tributes. Racepacket (talk) 02:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your considertion during the GA review of Chandra Levy, which is now over. At times it felt as though it took longer to get the article to GA than it did to solve the case and convict the criminal. Please feel free to edit away at the article without worrying about creating a moving target. There is no need for any further dispute resolution between us, I am willing to trust your judgment. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 01:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I am happy that the process did come to a cordial point. I think Cirt did exact a lot of work because he skews towards FA standards and the article ended up much larger than I had originally anticipated. If you do not mind, I would like come back to you after taking this article for peer review for FA. KimChee (talk) 01:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Teresa Lewis

Yes please help me by making the edits necessary for GA. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

When you are done with the Teresa Lewis edits you could perhaps take a look at the Oba Chandler article that I found very interesting. However some references seems to have been URL not found since put there. Perhaps you could check it out and help improving the already GA standard article without removing the information already there, perhaps finding sources to be put in malfunctioneds ones place. You can try if you have the time. Like your work. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I would even classify the Oba Chandler article as one of the better ones on Wikipedia. After reading the very interesting crime story. Perhaps with your help it could be upgraded to FA in the future.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so mutch for your help so far with the Chandler article. If you can do anymore improvements, then please do!.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I saw that a few sources from the St petersburg times are Url not found, so if you find some better sources it would be appreciated. Sources 7, 21 , 27,39, 44 and 65 plus a few more I have found to be so if that is to any help, if someone can fix it its you. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Disappearance of Jenni-Lyn Watson

If you could help me by improving this Disappearance of Jenni-Lyn Watson article I would be pleased. its a current crime case. Interesting.--BabbaQ (talk) 02:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I will help you on technical issues such as clean up and formatting. However, be prepared for the possibility of some resistance to notability until persistence of the case is established. KimChee (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I have cleaned up the article somewhat, but found that it may need to be retitled as Watson has been found. There are articles titled "Murder of ..." but those are typically used in cases where the murder conviction has been secured as defendants will sometimes opt to plea deal for the lesser charge of manslaughter. What do you think of "Death of ..." until the case is further along? I started a talk page for discussion. KimChee (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes Death of sounds good. Thank you so mutch for your help! Very mutch appreciated!--BabbaQ (talk) 12:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone wanted the Jennu-Lyn article deleted. But I reverted that and asked for a Afd instead. As the sources atleast establish some sort of notability. just so you know.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I hope you do agree with me that the article has atleast established notability beyond a speedy deletion. Afd is more OK if needed.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
In light of how quickly it appears this case is being resolved, I think you may be in for an uphill battle in Afd. If you still feel strongly about the subject, I recommend you provide a good "keep" rebuttal while saving a copy of the source. You can create WP:Workpages under your userpage space (with a {{workpage}} disclaimer at the top) to continue working on it until a new development re-establishes notability of the case in the future. Good luck. KimChee (talk) 07:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
See! I really like the way you explain things. Patience and wisdom. Old? I doubt it. :-D DocOfSoc (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
It has been nominated for Afd. so please provide your keep or delete opinion if you feel like it. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
And once again thanks for helping me with your new edits on Oba Chandler. Always appreciated. Also I have answered your comment to me on my talk page my friend.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


The Zen Garden Award Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience
You continue to amaze! DocOfSoc (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

As your favorite (talk page stalker) I see you exhibit enormous patience every day. I would be pulling my red hair out ;-) Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 05:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fluvanna Correctional Center for Women

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Triple crown

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Triple crown upon KimChee for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Thank you for all your hard work and contributions to the project! – SMasters (talk) 14:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, that made my day. KimChee (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Nice work and congrats again! – SMasters (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Troy, Virginia

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Virginia Air Line Railway

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Oleg Nikolaenko

Materialscientist (talk) 06:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

25 DYK Creation/Expansion Medal

Dyk25CE.svg The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Congratulations for passing the milestone of 25 "Did you know?" articles that you created or expanded. Your breadth of contributions have been a great benefit to Wikipedia. Fine work! Binksternet (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! KimChee (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Very wide ranging interests you have. Binksternet (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bremo Historic District

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bremo Bluff, Virginia

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bremo Slave Chapel

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Harry Yount photo

The date, length and hook of the expanded article of Harry Yount has been verified. However, the image presently at Commons does not match the NPS source you originally specified. Do you know where the current image came from? KimChee (talk) 23:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The original image was uploaded to Commons back in 2006, long before I got involved. While working on researching Yount in recent weeks, I was searching for a better quality version of the image. The best I found was part of Google's archive of LIFE magazine photos. Since it is a 19th century image, I concluded that it is in the public domain, as did the original uploader. I uploaded the highest resolution version I could find, but it had a LIFE watermark. I then uploaded a somewhat lower resolution version from LIFE, without the watermark, but still better than the NPS version. I thought I had properly updated the Commons data, but have gone back and made sure that it shows LIFE's archive as the intermediate source. The photo, of course, was taken long before LIFE magazine was founded. By the way, it isn't accurate to say that the photo was taken by an NPS employee, as it was taken long before the NPS was founded. I believe that it was taken by a photographer working for the Hayden Survey in the 1870s. That survey was funded by the U.S. Department of the Interior, so the photo is almost certainly a work of the U.S. government. However, I haven't been able to verify the exact origins of the photo. Cullen328 (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Further discussion is on my talk page. Thank you very much. Cullen328 (talk) 04:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The photo looks beautiful - you improved it significantly. I appreciate all of your help, and I hope that a few people enjoy reading about Harry Yount as much as I've enjoyed doing the research in the past few weeks. Thanks for everything. Cullen328 (talk) 04:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination of Ernst Lindemann

What? For many days I have expanded the article from a mere stub to what it is now. Look at the article history. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not doubt the amount of work you have put into the article. However, according to DYK selection criterion #1, the 5x expansion must have occurred within the last 5 days to be acceptable as "new". You are welcome to request a second opinion if you disagree with this. KimChee (talk) 06:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Rules are rules. So be it MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
To be honest, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news as I found the work on the article to be impressive. I admit that I sometimes plan my expansion work on some articles with the DYK rules in mind. KimChee (talk) 20:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Hartwell Cocke

Materialscientist (talk) 06:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi, if you have any time for it please check out the Karla Faye Tucker I have done a quick search online and also read trough the article and I believe with some improvements it can reach GA-level. So if you find any time please check it out. cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The article has potential, but is still too short and needs to be more properly referenced for GA. I will look at it again later when I have more time. I have updated the infobox and added a fair use image for now. KimChee (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. OK thanks. I atleast wanted to give it your attention as you are a good editor on these kind of articles. thanks again.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

John and Sarah Jane Makin

Hi again I have just started to read about a very interesting and notable crime case from Australia in the 1890 its about Sarah and John Makin who murdered infants that they had been paid to look after from young women who couldnt take care of them. According to the text it was because of this case that legislations about childcare was changed in Australia so it has had an effect on the country politically and socially. So I was wondering if you would like to make atleast a stub about the case in question, if you have the time. Some sites about the case is found here and here. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I started a workpage stub here. If you can help me expand it to at least 1,500 characters of prose (it is presently at 522), I will transfer it into a new article space and split the credit with you for the DYK nomination. KimChee (talk) 07:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes I have done some changes. Feel free to change anything that you dont find fitting. As you have so mutch more experience than me. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello again. The amount of additions to the workpage looks like a decent start. However, upon copyediting and checking against the sources, I recommend that you should work on rephrasing information from your sources more thoroughly (see WP:PARAPHRASE). This is something that a reviewing editor will likely catch during GA review and is also known to happen during DYK reviews. KimChee (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi sorry for the late answer. OK yes I will remember that. And thank you for helping me. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Carson City, Nevada)

Materialscientist (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for James W. Rodgers

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Deering

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

320 First Street

Please consult others, but let's agree on what the question is. The question is if there are three headquarters buildings all with a common mailing address 320 First Street, but three different street addresses: 320, 400 and 500 First Street, can we show a picture of one of the buildings with sources that may be referring to the mailing address rather than the street address of Levy's particular building.

I think it would be more appropriate to have an open discussion in which questions can be freely asked. This source appears to be fairly specific. KimChee (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I see people talking past each other on this. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

How so? KimChee (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Chandra Levy

Hi, I see that you have expanded the Chandra Levy article alot, and made it to GA level as I supported!. I would just like to suggest that you make a DYK nomination from some part interesting part of the Levy article. As you have expanded it, it will be I guess OK to add a DYK nomination line. Just a suggestion. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but the article is no longer sufficiently new under DYK criteria and 5x expansion is unlikely. KimChee (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok I see! If you have any time please check out a crime article I found to be quite interesting Beau Maestas, that could definitly need your help I guess. Thanks. Happy holidays!!--BabbaQ (talk) 01:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I regret to be the bearer of bad news, but the majority of the article appears to be a word-for-word copy and paste of an ABC News article and will likely be deleted by an administrator. As the revision history indicates that this problem occurred before your involvement in the article, I recommend that you start a new article from scratch later to be clear of any copyright issues. I think you could also claim DYK credit for restarting the article. KimChee (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I know. Thanks. Anyway I have now deleted a majority of the information about Beau only keeping the start of the article. I will expand it later. If you dont like it please undo but I thought it was a good decision, atleast for now. Thanks again.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that articles under review for copyright violations should not be edited until an administrator removes the tag and decides whether to delete the article or trim it back to a stub. KimChee (talk) 12:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I also started a stub on Disappearance of Joanna Yeates today if it might interest you.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:04, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I see that this article is facing a WP:NOTABILITY challenge from another editor; I hope you are not taking any of this personally. As the deletion proposal appears to give you a seven day window, you should exercise patience for a few days and see if the media coverage unfolds to provide material to further establish notability before attempting to delete the proposal as it would likely go straight to an WP:AFD vote. For future articles of similar subject matter, I recommend you check against WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:ONEEVENT as criteria that will help you establish notability. KimChee (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
On a more positive note is that our John and Sarah Makin article seems to have been included to DYK for tomorrow or the day after.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Good work. I am also checking on the copyright status of the mug shots against Australian law to see if they are eligible for inclusion in a DYK listing. KimChee (talk) 12:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John and Sarah Makin

Orlady (talk) 20:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

According to the check up it recieved 5.600 views today (December 27). So it can be placed on DYKSTATS. However its still on DYK as it was placed there quite late in the day so it might be better to wait and count the views for December 28 too (for the period the DYK on them are on the DYK section).--BabbaQ (talk) 00:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
On another subject,the post mortem of Joanna Yeates showed that she had been strangled to death. Thats basically seals the case in my mind.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps you could have your say in the Afd discussion when you feel ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I did finally comment, though I do not think you need my vote anymore. :) As a note of observation, there will always be editors biased towards inclusionism and deletionism, so you should relax and take the AfD process less personally. By focusing on the content of the article (as the supportive editors appear to have done in this case) rather than the argument itself, the others in AfD may take you more seriously. KimChee (talk) 19:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

FA/PR suggestion

Im not saying I will , but If I was to nominate the Oba Chandler article for FA do you think it stands a reasonable chance of being Supported for it?. I personally find that the overall prose,length and sourcing are up to FA standards and when looking trough the arguments for not promoting it in an earlier FA nomination started in 2008 by some user, all the problems raised that time has been taken care of since I see. But I dont know maybe im bias because I personally find the article very good.Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The article is decent, but I am 99% certain that the editors there will give you a hard time during FA Review; the bar for FA has been raised noticeably higher in the past few years. I recommend you read some of the reviews to see what they subject the nominators to. I think a good idea would be to submit the article to Peer Review; you will be assigned an experienced editor who will provide feedback to help prepare the article. I have done this regularly to prepare candidates for GA and FA review. KimChee (talk) 22:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

re: Disappearance of Joanna Yeates

Not hasty, more common sense. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 16:07, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, so be it. The AfD is here. KimChee (talk) 16:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Have a banana

Bananen Frucht.jpg

--Pontificalibus (talk) 11:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

This just made my year. KimChee (talk) 11:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I have just started and created a crime article on the Swedish criminal Frans Otto Eriksson if you want to please check it out. --BabbaQ (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I do have some changes left but I will work more on that after new year.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)