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Carmen Ortiz[edit]

Hello, I'm Hirolovesswords. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Carmen Ortiz seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 15:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:UNDUE, criticism should be included if it can be sourced to reliable secondary sources and is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Your edit did none of these things and should not be included. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Google plus is not a reliable source because self-published sources may not be used when it involves claims about events not directly related to the source. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Kalki Bhagavan[edit]

Hi, deleted per WP:CSD#G4 as a recreation of an article deleted via AfD. GiantSnowman 15:04, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The correct venus is WP:DRV. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I am happy to restore the article; however if so I will be taking it back to AFD for new consensus on notability. I hope that is a fair compromise? Please let me know. GiantSnowman 09:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Kalki Bhagavan for deletion

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Kalki's Article's Update

  • My Reason to Ask/Arguments

I am one of those users without a reliable/authority registered account @ WP; of which fact I am turning to dear Prodigyhk, askng him to keep-up (again) the good work @ Kalki_Bhagavan's article; so with that said, here are my requests:

  • My Requests
    • General Argument for Journalism : Please note that any kind of info is easily gathered by their own recorded/archived statements around the web of which here should only meet those reliabilities.
    • Kalki Bhagavan's 'deadline' has already been issued, as the December_21rst has been reached already and his Oneness University will no longer operate;
    • Once an individual is targeted by media, he/she gets a very strange fame;
  • Last Thoughts Neutrality :-)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.158.129.70 (talkcontribs)

The problem with the article is that it user:Mathew Timothy Stone has made this WP article his private blog . Based on his contribution history for the last many years, he seems to be an unscrupulous fellow, focused on throwing any dirt and controversial issue against Kalki Bhagawan. And does not allow any other user to add any comments, that do not meet his biased stance. Thanks for dropping in. Prodigyhk (talk) 23:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to make a Consensus too. I've been reading your conversations on Kalki Talk page and I agree with you in come points. But the thing is, how are new refferences going to work if some users are insisting that they have to be NEWS refferences? Ive read the comments above and I agree; as the user above tried to say, in fact, in journalism, you just need to provide information gathered by a archived Press_statement, of which here we will consider a statement archived in the web that would meet the criteria of Journalism_ethics_and_standards, and that mean, NOT NEWS CHANNEL/JOURNAL links ONLY. Do you understand what I am saying? So, of course the Arjuna Aardag book sometimes will not meet the criteria; but some blogs and pages will. The Article has to be neutral; if some people are preaching like a lawyer around this one should immediatelly be warned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.135.5.171 (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
User:177.135.5.171 have posted my response here on the subject page [[1]] thanks Prodigyhk (talk) 06:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits to Kalki Bhagavan As noted recently on the talk page at Kalki Bhagavan, this man is a highly controversial person, and any contentious biographical material must be supported by genuinely independent sources. Your recent edits were to reinstate a WP:OR external link and delete material that was well supported by independent sources. Please discuss such edits beforehand, on the Talk Page. Recently, you requested that other editors provide feedback on a biographical section that you were proposing. I have provided such feedback in quite a detailed manner. I request that you address the issues raised in my feedback, not least being your own potential WP:COI. Thanks M Stone (talk) 02:43, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Conflict of interest at Kalki Bhagavan

Based on your editing pattern, and the conversation you recently attempted to delete from your User Talk page, you appear to have a conflict of interest at the page Kalki Bhagavan. I believe some explanation is called for. M Stone (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Response to your query posted here [[2]]Prodigyhk (talk) 05:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

FYI - It is not normal to initiate conversations on other User's talk pages and then delete both them and the Talk-page-owner's reply. Other editors may not be as relaxed about such things as I am. As I said, you do seem to have nice format and copy styles. So if you know anything about Andhra Pradesh then there are a number of Islam articles that need improving, from Telugu or Urdu sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk with Mathew Timothy Stone[edit]

I for one, am not relaxed, either about the attempted deletion, or the conversation itself. The comment, particularly '…to keep-up (again) the good work' suggests that this has been happening for some time on the page in question. I have attempted to raise this issue with you, however, your response to date e.g. [[3]] has been to avoid giving a straight answer. It is very difficult for other editors to act in good faith [[4]], and to engage in discussion with you, when there is evidence you are editing on behalf of another person, or perhaps an organisation. The edits you have been making to date, certainly conform to the requests being made by the anonymous IP user. (It has also been the case for some time, when it was apparent you were not getting your own way, that you have continued with personal attacks against me, sometimes after making a show of being 'polite'. This is unacceptable behaviour for a Wikipedia editor.) Regarding COI, I would suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia guidelines [[5]], and declare, once and for all, what your relationship is with the subject of the article, or his organisation. M Stone (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
User Prodigyhk asked me at [[6]] if I am the same person that used other IP´s there. In order to keep a good WP:GF tone, I am signing that response here as well. 177.159.22.51 (talk) 00:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
@ ProdigyHK, you're still not answering a fairly straightforward question. I wasn't enquiring whether you were editing on your own time, or interest. Most WP editors are doing so on their own time and interest. I was asking what your relationship was to the subject of the BLP and his organisation. To quote WP:COI: "When advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest." Regarding the deleted conversation, I fail to comprehend your explanation. If it was an innocent one, why attempt to delete it in the first place? Regarding the BLP discussions to date, I have gone out of my way to spell out what the issues are, in what you disparagingly refer to as my using WP as a 'private blog'. In fact what I am doing, is spelling out, as clearly as possible, the issues relating to this particular BLP. By doing so, I am ensuring that these are recorded on the Article Talk Page, and can be reviewed by any future editor, who may not be completely familiar with the many issues specific to this BLP. What you have not done, to date, is address even a single one of these issues. M Stone (talk) 06:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I currently have 122 pages on my Watchlist, excluding talk pages, and have been a registered editor for over 6 years. In that time, no one has ever conducted personal attacks against me of the kind you have been making. I will assume that you are, at the very least, a devotee of the guru – and perhaps associated with his organisation in some way. If that is the case, then attacking other editors in not the way forward. What you need to do is locate well-sourced material that demonstrates the purported 'good' work he is doing. (For example, I understand that one of the original stated aims of his 'trust funds' was to build housing for the poor. If such housing had ever been built, the press would have surely run coverage, with photos of the housing at various stages of construction. It should be a fairly simple matter to locate such coverage.) And if you want me to state my position, I have no reason to 'hate' the guru. Rather, I consider him to be a fraud. A charlatan who exploits people for his own ends. As it happens, there is a certain amount of well-sourced material that tends to support my position, which has been outlined in the article talk space. He has received such negative press, not because the news organisations are biased against him – but because there are significant question marks over his activities. For example, he appears to be lying about key events in his early life, and there are strong indications of financial impropriety by him and his family. But my personal position on such matters, or any other editor's position, is of little importance. Rather, it is all about independent sources. I can support my position with sources, and I suggest you start locating some to support yours. M Stone (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ramana Maharshi[edit]

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Requested a third opinion[edit]

Hi again, it less likely anyone is going to respond to our discussion from WT:IN (as usual), so I've requested a third opinion here, Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. I might try WP:DRN if this too doesn't get any...do tell me if you have any other ideas. Have a nice day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Thanks for all you have done with the Khobragade article. You may have seen that I moved a lot of things around. It was my intent to not remove any existing information. If you have questions about what I did then I would do what I could to make my actions easy for you to understand. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your collaboration with me to seek community consensus on how to present the court documents. You had better intuition about the community's thoughts on this than I did. Message me anytime if you need anything. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Devyani incident[edit]

Actually, that tumblr link inspired a few reliable sources to cover the same news.

But matter of fact is, that Why we need it? And who cares about rejected diplomat's views that are 2-3 years old now..

I think you should simply remove that whole suggestion from talk page. I did once, but the same guy restored it back. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

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MN[edit]

Maybe these sources below are useful for you in arguing that Nussbaum is not a neutral source, (and that she should not be called a "historian" when she is a philospher). --Calypsomusic (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

As I continued reading, however, I found myself starting to pull back from the trajectory of Nussbaum’s analysis. I myself have researched much of the same material that Nussbaum has (see, for example, Gerald J. Larson, India’s Agony over Religion, SUNY Press, 1995), but my findings are rather dramatically different from Nussbaum’s. What began to bother me about Nussbaum’s trajectory is that she is really not interested in the general issue of “religious violence” and the manner in which religious violence links up with religious sensibilities of one kind or another, whether perpetrated by the left or the right in India. What she is really interested in is mounting a political assault on what she identifies as the “Hindu Right,” and in this regard Nussbaum takes no prisoners. As the book unfolds, the Hindu Right becomes responsible not only for the tragedy at Godhra, but for anti-secularism, communalism, misogyny, casteism, excessive male aggression, and the distortion of history. As the book proceeds, the prose grows livid. Says Nussbaum: “Domination over Hindu women and violence against Muslim women lie deep in the Hindu right’s political consciousness” (187). Or again, “Fucking a Muslim woman just means killing her. Instead of murder necessitated by and following sex, the murder just is the sex. Women are killed by having large metal objects inserted into their vaginas” (209). “The Hindu male does not even need to dirty his penis with the contaminating fluids of the Muslim woman. He can fuck her with the clean nonporous metal weapon that kills her, while he himself remains pure. Nothing is left to inspire fear” (209). To put the matter directly, Nussbaum’s analysis lacks balance, nuance, and civility. In short, it is not only unpersuasive; it is a disservice to her subject. In her portrayal of the “The Human Face of the Hindu Right” (chapter 2), she discusses K. K. Shastri, Devendra Swarup, Arun Shourie, and Gurcharan Das, but there is hardly a paragraph about A. B. Vajpayee, L. K. Advani, K. L. Malkani, Murli Manohar Joshi, or any number of other more moderate spokespersons for a conservative Hindu politics. On the other side, Tagore, Gandhi, and Nehru are eulogized with little attempt to offer a nuanced historical assessment. ....Unfortunately, however, there is very little “public poetry” or “mutual respect” in Nussbaum’s own treatment of the “Hindu Right.”

  • The Clash Within: Democracy, Religious Violence, and India's Future. By Martha C. Nussbaum
  • Review by Gerald James Larson

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This said, she makes huge leaps of argument without substantiating them, provides zero context and stands accused of several factual inaccuracies. This makes me query her credentials as a lawyer-academic. Nussbaum lacks the rigor one would have expected of a senior academic. http://desicritics.org/2007/05/24/024708.php

Re: Nandan Nilekani page[edit]

Hi,

I can see that you have removed the middle name "Mohan" mentioning no valid documentation.

Based on citations found by me: Times of India page. His father's name was "Mohan Rao Nilekani" and thats where the middle name comes from. Also the following confirms: The Telegraph.

And to add to it, the person himself has uploaded his Govt. Identity card in his Twitter Page.

I don't want to go into the details, please before removing any content, make sure you preview the citations properly. --Deepon (talk) 10:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Deepon Had explained my edits in the talk page of the article Talk:Nandan_Nilekani. We can discuss further there. Prodigyhk (talk) 04:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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2002 Gujarat Riots[edit]

Hi, I do not believe that it is possible to have an integrated editorial team to work on the 2002 Gujarat Riots page. The best we can hope for is some kind of balance between the pro-Modi and anti-Modi view points.

I hope you will provide your input in the Madhu Kishwar section. Uday Reddy (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ayurveda again[edit]

If you have missed it, see Talk:Ayurveda#Eight components of Ayurveda and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#MEDRS verification Bladesmulti (talk) 16:17, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Ayurveda[edit]

Hi. As someone who has edited this article recently, I am bringing your attention to a proposed set of restrictions at Talk:Ayurveda#Going forward. I see this action as necessary to allow harmonious editing at the article, and to prevent more blocks going forward. Best regards, --John (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

2nd part of the discussion "Outside Indian Continent" section, Ayurveda#Efficacy' related to diabetes faced objection. Correct it? Bladesmulti (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
I noticed these edits. Do you believe you had consensus for them? If not I invite you to undo them. --John (talk) 16:56, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

regarding these recent edits that you have raised in my talk page. I started work on this section about a month ago when an IP had deleted the sentence The advent of Islam introduced opium as a narcotic.[ref name="Chopra80"> Then, one of our regular users reverted the edit here and commented "should find better sources" To understand better, I started reading about the use of Opium in Ayurveda. Interestingly I found that Opium was not used for its narcotic value. But, for the treatment of diarrhoea and dysentery !! Since, it was a major difference, I decided to include this edit. Then, as I started reading, found other information about use of Cannabis and alcholic beverages that I felt would be interesting for a reader who visits this page.

Since, you had at the same time, put in the 0RR restrictions, did request feedback from other editors for my edits here and here. It was followed by a discussion here on the part about alcoholic beverages where the word "medicine" was used in the article. Following this, the edit was modified to meet the concerns raised by the other editor.

Then, when the entire section was removed again a week ago. Bladesmulti had requested editors to review and advice if the edit can go back in, here. Since there was no objection to this section, after a reasonable time I proceeded to include the text. Do, let me know if there has been any errors in my part and if any corrective action require to take.Prodigyhk (talk) 11:08, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I will issue a clarification in article talk. I would prefer it if any future additions or restorations to the article had explicit consensus in order to avoid protracted disputes. Could you wait for that in the future please? --John (talk) 06:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
John thanks for your inputs. Will follow your suggestions in future. Prodigyhk (talk) 16:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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RfC for "Indigenous Aryans"[edit]

I've opened an RfC at Talk:Indigenous Aryans#RfC: the "Indigenous Aryans" theory is fringe-theory. Let's keep it civilised. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:52, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Joshua Will need pass. Thanks for checking. cheers Prodigyhk (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

A page you started (Steve Hui Chun-tak) has been reviewed![edit]

Thanks for creating Steve Hui Chun-tak, Prodigyhk!

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April 2015[edit]

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AcidSnow have posted my response in article talk page. We can continue discussion there. Thanks and have a nice day.Prodigyhk (talk) 02:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Yah I know. This is just a warning. Ciao. AcidSnow (talk) 02:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
AcidSnow no need "warning". We can be civil and polite. Both of us are just volunteers here :) Prodigyhk (talk) 07:14, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Lol I am not threatening you or anything. AcidSnow (talk) 10:57, 21 April 2015 (UTC)