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Introduction[edit]

The purpose of this discussion page is to select 10,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles. All Wikipedia editors are welcome to participate. Individual topics are proposed for addition or removal, followed by discussion and !voting. It is also possible to propose a swap of a new topic for a lower-priority topic already on the list.

We ask that all discussions remain open for a minimum of 15 days, after which they may be closed anytime as PASSED if at least five !votes have been cast in support, and at least two-thirds of the total !votes are in favor of the proposal; or they may be closed as FAILED if at least five !votes have been cast in oppose, and the proposal has failed to earn more than one-third support. After 30 days any proposal may be closed as FAILED if it has earned at least 3 opposes and failed to earn two-thirds support; or it may be closed as NO CONSENSUS if the proposal hasn't received any !votes for 30 or more days regardless of the current !vote tally. After 60 days any proposal may be closed as NO CONSENSUS if it has failed to earn at least 5 support !votes and two-thirds support. Please be patient with our process: we believe that an informed discussion with more editors is likely to produce an improved and more stable complete list.

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People[edit]

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Entertainers[edit]

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Visual artists[edit]

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Writers[edit]

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Journalists[edit]

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Musicians and composers[edit]

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Add Curtis Mayfield swap Sam Cooke[edit]

Still think Curtis needs to be an addition to the list. Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 02:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

You're more likely to be successful this time around if you pair this with removing a less vital musician from one of the bloated genres, not just an album. Personally, I think 173 musicians is enough especially when you compare it to other types of artists (108 visual artists and 115 entertainers). And within the musician section, there are more underrepresented genres than soul. Gizza (t)(c) 04:31, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree agree with you on maybe the musicians section is bloated just a tad, however relating to the soul section itself it IS under-represented considering one of the most quintessential soul musicians isn't even in the list. To tell you the truth I find it quite surprising he isn't in there. It's a tough decision, but I think Sam Cooke would be better swapped by Curtis. Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 20:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 20:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support Curtis and Sam Cooke swap. Gizza (t)(c) 00:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Neljack (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Directors, producers and screenwriters[edit]

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Businesspeople[edit]

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Explorers[edit]

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Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists[edit]

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Add Pierre-Joseph Proudhon[edit]

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (French: [pjɛʁ ʒɔzɛf pʁudɔ̃]; 15 January 1809 – 19 January 1865) was a French politician, the founder of Mutualist philosophy. He was the first person to declare himself an anarchist and is among its most influential theorists. He is considered by many to be the "father of anarchism". He became a member of the French Parliament after the revolution of 1848, whereafter he referred to himself as a federalist.

Support
  1. As nom. I think that the facts mentioned above (taken from the first paragraph of the lede of the article) make him absolutely vital. Also it is quite strange that the article is not listed while Emma Goldman is listed in this list.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support Bakunin is the other anarchist who has a strong claim to inclusion. Neljack (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support per nom. Gizza (t)(c) 01:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discuss

Religious figures[edit]

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Politicians and leaders[edit]

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Oppose
Discussion

Add Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria if Franz Ferdinand himself gets removed[edit]

Per conversation above, his life is not vital, but his death certainly is. Causes of World War I and Causes of World War II are still other interesting possibilities, so feel free to discuss those as well.

Support
  1. Support I prefer this over a long article on the causes of WWI because the causes of WWI are covered in the WWI article. If someone wants to read further into the causes, then that person can click a main article link. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose per discussion. ~Mable (chat) 09:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Oppose per Mable. Undecided on the causes articles. Gizza (t)(c) 03:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Discuss

I think the causes articles are better choices. The assassination of the Archduke was of course the trigger for the war, but its causes went much deeper. There is a danger of focusing of the immediate casus belli at the expense of the more complex causes of the war. Equally I would think the causes of WWII article a better choice than the German invasion of Poland. I also note that the causes of both world wars have been major subjects of historiographical debate, as is evident from the articles. Neljack (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I think they are all redundant with the article on WWI.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I have to say that I was thinking the same thing... So I'll probably suggest those two tomorrow *sigh* You know, other people could make suggestions as well sometime :p We'll see whether these things are redundant or not tomorrow ~Mable (chat) 21:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm somewhat loathe to support more articles on WWI and WWII – there are many events in the 20th century that have little or no coverage: the Sudanese Civil Wars, the Sri Lankan Civil War, the Mexican Drug War, the Bosnian War (covered by Yugoslavia?), the Falklands War (covered by Falkland Islands?), and the Colombian conflict (1964–present) are some examples. And the history section is over quota as it is – IMO this is the one section of the list that needs its quota increased. Granted, the world wars are obviously the most important events of the century. It's also interesting to note that while Causes of WWI is 157th on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Popular pages, Causes of WWII gets only a quarter as many hits and is nowhere close to the top 500. Cobblet (talk) 23:04, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Is the hitcount dependant on time? Right now, WWI is particularly popular due to the 100 year aniversary, so this might cause the difference. About whether the causes of the world wars are vital: These two wars affected basically every person's life in the entire world. It makes sense that we cover them extensively. If people know what caused such things, people can keep these kind of wars from happening again. They seem to be vital knowledge. I have to agree, though, that Franz Ferdinant himself is definitely not vital, nor is his assassination. ~Mable (chat) 09:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
It is; I was looking at stats from the last month and didn't really think about the anniversary. That being said, the trend was still true two years ago, and Causes of World War II has existed since 2004. I think perhaps the reason it's not as highly viewed an article is because in a way, the cause of World War II was simply World War I and the Treaty of Versailles. I think the more proximal causes are also quite obvious to most people and we list a lot of the articles that cover them, e.g. the rise of fascism and Nazi Germany, the militarism of the Empire of Japan, the Great Depression, the weakness of the League of Nations. The causes of World War I are perhaps more abstract and so maybe it isn't surprising that people are more likely to read an article called causes of World War I than articles on the arms race at the turn of the century or the alliances in Europe at the time. Cobblet (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I think Causes of World War I would be an excellent addition, while the same article for WW2 would be more redundant to existing articles. ~Mable (chat) 19:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Add Henry Parkes[edit]

Henry Parkes (27 May 1815 – 27 April 1896) was a Australian politician regarded as the father of the Australian Federation and the most important of the Australian Founding Fathers, also described by The Times as "the most commanding figure in Australian politics"

Support
  1. As nom. I think it'd be a nice addition to have a political leader from every permanently inhabited continent, if not Henry then someone else.GuzzyG (talk) 18:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Military leaders and theorists[edit]

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Rebels, revolutionaries and activists[edit]

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Scientists, inventors and mathematicians[edit]

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Sports figures[edit]

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History[edit]

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Basics[edit]

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History by continent and region[edit]

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History by country[edit]

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Prehistory and ancient history[edit]

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Post-classical history[edit]

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Remove Bulgars[edit]

We list almost all the states established by the Bulgars – the First and Second Bulgarian Empires and Volga Bulgaria. The only thing we don't list is Old Great Bulgaria which lasted less than 40 years. In general I think we should avoid double-listing a people and the political entities associated with them unless there's a very good reason to do so.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support agree with nom. For comparison, we don't list both Visigoths and Visigothic Kingdom. Gizza (t)(c) 05:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 20:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Early modern history[edit]

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Add Portuguese colonization of the Americas[edit]

The Portuguese had a significant role in colonizing the Americas. They were granted the rights to colonize the area that is now Brazil, effectively colonizing one of the biggest nations in the world. Adding Portuguese colonization to the list accomodates the existence of the Spanish being on the list.

Support
  1. Support as nom. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 22:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Jucchan (talk) 22:35, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

I don't think there is a clear rule on whether the colony or colonization process is more vital. In this case, Colonial Brazil may be better since it was the only Portuguese colony of note in the Americas. The British and Spanish OTOH had many important colonies. Also keep in mind that Portuguese Empire is already listed and Brazil was bigger than all of the other Portuguese colonies combined. Gizza (t)(c) 00:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Modern history[edit]

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Remove Arab Spring[edit]

Was prematurely added with the expectation that it will become that next Revolutions of 1989. Recentism. I would consider the Soviet war in Afghanistan and War in Afghanistan (2001 to present) on their own to be more vital than this. Within Africa, the Second Sudanese Civil War trumps this. Gizza (t)(c) 00:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Support
  1. as nom. Gizza (t)(c) 00:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. too soon. This isn't "history" yet; we don't know the long-term ramifications, if any. pbp 14:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 16:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Ypnypn (talk) 04:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Just because an event is recent doesn't mean it's vital. If anything, recent events are more vital to an encyclopedia than events that took place 3000 years ago because people are more likely to want to read about the Arab Spring than the conquest of Gaul. Also, the Arab Spring is still affecting the Arab World to this day. The Syrian Civil War and the rise of ISIS are direct effects of the Arab Spring. The unrest in Libya is also an effect of the Arab Spring. As Middle Eastern History is under-represented, this event is vital enough to keep on the list. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. Can't agree with you more.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  3. Oppose Less vital than the events of 1989, sure; but probably more vital than the Prague Spring or the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Cobblet (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  4. Oppose  Carlwev  16:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

We do have coverage of those wars in War in Afghanistan (1978–present), though, which we list. Within modern history, I'd rather remove the natural disasters first (2010 Haiti earthquake, 1976 Tangshan earthquake, 1970 Bhola cyclone, and 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami). Even within the 20th and 21st centuries alone, they aren't the deadliest natural disasters: at least 1 million people died in the Asian flu of 1957 (Britannica), another 1 million in the Hong Kong flu of 1968 (Britannica), 800,000 in the sixth cholera pandemic (1899–1923), 570,000 in the seventh cholera pandemic (1961–75), an estimated 284,500 in the 2009 flu pandemic, and 273,400 in the 1920 Haiyuan earthquake. And it's hard to justify the inclusion of these natural disasters when we're still missing the Plague of Justinian, which killed an estimated 25 to 100 million people (half the population of Europe at the time). Malerisch (talk) 01:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree that there are too many recent natural disasters too. Haiti has a fairly small population so as a percentage of people affected, it is somewhat more significant. Looking beyond the number of deaths and at the impact of these disasters, the Indian Ocean earthquake didn't lead to much change in the world as sad as it was. The Bhola cyclone was one of the causes of the Bangladesh Liberation War, which is also listed though we do list both September 11 attacks and War on Terror. Some of these can be removed. Gizza (t)(c) 04:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Wrt Afghanistan, I was saying that each war was individually vital, well at least more than Gulf War and Iraq War which are both separately listed. The main invading nation was different (USSR and US) and the Afghan government was different. They were two very different wars whereas in comparison the the Iraq wars were a continuation of each other. The second started where the first left off. The Afghan wars were in fact separately listed but were "merged" into one at a time when the overall list was a few hundreds articles over quota. I think it was a hasty decision. Gizza (t)(c) 05:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay wrt Afghanistan. In response to evaluating significance based on the percentage of a country's population, I don't think the 2010 Haiti earthquake is close to being a good contender—the Somali Civil War, the Burundian Civil War, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the insurgency in Laos, the North Korean famine, and the Finnish famine of 1866–68 are all still more vital. I agree that death counts aren't everything, though, and that natural disasters usually don't carry enough political, economic, or cultural impact to be considered vital. Malerisch (talk) 05:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


Historical cities[edit]

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History of science and technology[edit]

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History of other topics[edit]

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Auxiliary sciences of history[edit]

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Geography[edit]

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Basics[edit]

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Physical geography[edit]

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Add The Iron Bridge[edit]

Since we are removing Tower Bridge, we could add this one. This bridge is the first arch bridge in the world to be made out of cast iron. It was built from 1777 to 1781 and is celebrated as the first bridge of its kind. Adding this bridge would also add another non-suspension bridge to the list.

Support
  1. Support as nom. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

This is a disambiguation page. Gizza (t)(c) 07:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I assume The Iron Bridge is the correct topic. I'll change the title of the suggestion accordingly. ~Mable (chat) 08:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for catching my mistake. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 18:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Add Pico de Orizaba[edit]

It is North America's third tallest mountain (also a volcano) at over 18,000 feet tall. it is dormant but not extinct with its last eruption occurring in the 19th Century. It is the second most prominent volcanic peak after Mount Kilimanjaro. As Mexican geography is lacking on the list, the addition of this mountain would be a good addition for the list.

Support
  1. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Gizza (t)(c) 08:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

I really would've preferred adding the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt instead. I think mountain ranges are usually more vital than individual mountains, e.g. Sierra Nevada (unsuccessfully removed in a previous !vote) vs. Mount Whitney (successfully removed) or the Alps vs. Mont Blanc or the Matterhorn. Cobblet (talk) 20:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Parks and preserves[edit]

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Countries[edit]

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Regions and country subdivisions[edit]

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Cities[edit]

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Remove Dongguan[edit]

Let's try this again. In an earlier proposal to remove this it was suggested that with a population of 8 million, this "is one of the largest manufacturing centres in the world". This is true; but according to Brookings, Suzhou, Wuxi, Foshan, Ningbo and Tangshan were all cities with larger GDPs (in 2012) that aren't on our list. And all those cities have a longer history than Dongguan, which was a rural agricultural area before the '80s (its previous claim to fame was its lychee). I doubt anyone here would consider Karlsruhe vital and we have previously removed Portland, Oregon from the list: these were two other cities with GDPs larger than Dongguan's in 2012 (although it's very possible that Dongguan's passed them since). Other cities with GDPs larger than Dongguan's that we don't include are Malaga, Abu Dhabi and Baltimore: I would rather add all of those in place of Dongguan. We've already included the more notable cities of Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Macau from the Pearl River delta; we don't need Dongguan as well. Foshan is both a bigger manufacturing centre and much more culturally vital.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 01:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Gizza (t)(c) 01:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 20:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Add Abu Dhabi[edit]

Abu Dhabi is the capital of the United Arab Emirates. With a population of almost 1 million, it is the second largest city in the UAE. Abu Dhabo is ranked 9th in per capita GDPs for cities at $49,600 due to its massive oil supply. It is the largest oil producer in the UAE. The airport in the city is a vital hub for travelers heading anywhere in the Near East, acting as a hub for flights to India, the Middle East, and the rest of the world. Considering that the Middle East is underrepresented in the city section, Abu Dhabi seems like a fair city to add to the list.

Support
  1. Support as nom. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support  Carlwev 
Oppose
Discussion

Arts[edit]

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Architecture[edit]

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Literature[edit]

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Add Lament[edit]

Elegy failed, so I'm proposing this per User:Maunus and User:Maplestrip.Gonzales John (talk) 04:45, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Support
  1. SupportGonzales John (talk) 04:45, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Don't see the need for it. Also, low importance in WP Poetry. Jucchan (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Gizza (t)(c) 07:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

There must be many poetic genres more vital than Lament. Ballad springs to mind. Gizza (t)(c) 02:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Music[edit]

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Add Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols[edit]

The modern music section needs more punk and hip hop. Punk and hip hop were the most influential music genres of the last 40 years. Rolling Stone magazine a while back rated this Sex Pistols albums as the 2nd most important rock album after the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's.Smiloid (talk) 06:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Never Mind the Bollocks would be a very decent inclusion, as it is indeed one of the most significant albums and might even be more vital than the Sex Pistols themselves. However, I think I'd first and foremost add the Ramones... I wonder how well we should represent punk. ~Mable (chat) 08:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Support
  1. Support as a vital album in music history, the only album by The Sex Pistols and an important representation of punk rock in general - the only representation if added. ~Mable (chat) 08:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
  1. Support Vital album indeed and iconic for punk. Arnoutf (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discuss

Add Rapper's Delight[edit]

The modern music section needs more punk and hip hop. Punk and hip hop were the most influential music genres of the last 40 years. Rapper's Delight by the Sugarhill Gang is the single which introduced most of the world to hip hop Smiloid (talk) 06:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Rapper's Delight brought hip hop into the mainstream, which makes it significant to some extent. Alternatively, we could a very influential album like The Chronic, Illmatic, Enter the Wu-Tang, Ready to Die, Straight Outta Compton, etc. Gizza (t)(c) 07:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I think Rapper's delight is the obvious choice for a work representing hip hop.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
As much as I recognize its importance, I can't help but think it would be a better idea to add a few hip hop artists before adding this track. Cobblet (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Performing arts[edit]

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Visual arts[edit]

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Add Caricature[edit]

A caricature is a representation of a person or a type of person made unliteral by the exaggeration of some features as well as the oversimplification of others. The concept is commonly used, especially in editorial cartoons. It has some history to speak about as well. It's definitely an encyclopedic topic, probably vital enough to deserve being listed here. Gonzales John (talk) 03:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom. Gonzales John (talk) 03:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Satire covers it sufficiently IMO. Cobblet (talk) 07:04, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Jucchan (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

I think you might log out automatically after one month, but I'm not sure how that works. Either way, I'm not sure about this. People do love their caricatures... ~Mable (chat) 06:24, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Modern visual arts[edit]

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Fictional characters[edit]

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Philosophy and religion[edit]

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Philosophy[edit]

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Religion and spirituality[edit]

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Specific religions[edit]

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Esoterics, magic and mysticism[edit]

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Mythology[edit]

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Add Ma'at[edit]

The very center of the philosophies and ideologies of Egyptian Mythology (See Egyptian mythology).Gonzales John (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Support
  1. SupportGonzales John (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Weak Support Maat is more of a philosophical or ethical concept, somewhat akin to justice or dharma though it did become personified in mythology later on. I think we could do with an aspect of Ancient Egyptian civilization other than the cliché pyramids, pharoahs and gods. Gizza (t)(c) 01:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose per my comments above. Cobblet (talk) 16:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Jucchan (talk) 18:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Discussion


Add Rainbow Serpent[edit]

Major deified mythological figure of Aboriginal mythology.Gonzales John (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Support
  1. SupportGonzales John (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support, deciding which of all of these are worth adding will be very challenging. I do think this one has a very good chance. ~Mable (chat) 13:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support more substantial topic than Dreamtime, originally coined for pejorative purposes and nowadays a wishy washy catch-all New Age term for anything remotely related to Australian Aboriginal culture. Gizza (t)(c) 22:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Dreamtime would be better.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Discussion

Everyday life[edit]

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Family and kinship[edit]

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Swap: Remove Domestic partnership add Marriage of convenience[edit]

Domestic partnership is very similar to Civil Union, some countries refer to civil union as "domestic partnership". Much more important and different topic is Marriage of convenience, wich is covers both heterosexual and homosexual relations.

Support
  1. Support As nom. --Igel B TyMaHe (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Remove not add.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support --Melody Lavender 21:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support removal only. Gizza (t)(c) 00:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support removal, oppose addition. Jucchan (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. SupportGonzales John (talk) 03:00, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
  7. Support removal, oppose addition Rreagan007 (talk) 01:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

The three are very different concepts: Civil Union is much like a marriage for LGTB. Domestic partnership is living together without marriage and marriage of convenience is a whole different animal. I would support the straight add, but domestic partnership shouldn't be removed. --Melody Lavender 14:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I've never heard of homosexual partnerships being "convenient", the only case that might fit that is the case of marriage between Nuer widows. To me marriage of convenience is completely different from Civil Union and Domestic partnership and marriage of convenience is the idea of marrying for money or influence or connections or to make a household work. On the other hand Domestic partnership does in fact cover homosexual partnerships in many countries. I dont see any good reason to swap. I will support remove civil union since this is currently redundant both with civil marriage, marriage and domestic partnership. The article on marriage should cover all of those. In cross cultural anthropological perspective they are the same phenomenon, namely lasting socially privileged domestic partnerships. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:09, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • "Living together without marriage" is called cohabitation. --Igel B TyMaHe (talk) 19:52, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah right, obviously domestic partnership is a legal term, cohabitation is on the list, so I'll support.--Melody Lavender 21:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Cooking, food and drink[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Cooking, food and drink for the list of topics in this category.

Household items[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Household items for the list of topics in this category.


Sexuality[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Sexuality for the list of topics in this category.

Stages of life[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Stages of life for the list of topics in this category.

Sports and recreation[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Sports and recreation for the list of topics in this category.


Timekeeping[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Timekeeping for the list of topics in this category.

Colors[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Everyday life#Colors for the list of topics in this category.

Society and social sciences[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences for the list of topics in this category.

Basics[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Basics for the list of topics in this category.

Anthropology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Anthropology for the list of topics in this category.


Business and economics[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Business and economics for the list of topics in this category.

Culture[edit]

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Education[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Education for the list of topics in this category.

Add early childhood education, primary education and secondary education[edit]

As stated above in the Kindergarten proposal, these stages of education are the vital topics. Tertiary education and/or higher education may be redundant to university and college.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Gizza (t)(c) 13:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support, these seem to be vital topics to cover. ~Mable (chat) 14:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Malerisch (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Cobblet (talk) 12:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Ethnology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Ethnology for the list of topics in this category.

International organizations[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#International organizations for the list of topics in this category.

Language[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Language for the list of topics in this category.

Law[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Law for the list of topics in this category.

Mass media[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Society and social sciences#Mass media for the list of topics in this category.


Are local newspapers vital?[edit]

More a question than a suggestion for now. We currently list The Times, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post and Le Monde (forgive my lack of italics). As a Dutch person, I have hard of most, if not all of these, but I find it hard to imagine that they are in any way vital to explain in an encyclopedia. It might be a cultural thing, but to me, newspapers definitely aren't important; the news they deliver is. Also, these papers are completely unimportant if you don't live within the region in which it is spread. Again, as a Dutch person, I wouldn't come into contact with these newspapers much in my life.

Do note that I don't feel the same way about magazines. Magazines are made to give opinions and define culture. Many of the magazines listed are also spread internationally, such as Playboy and National Geographic, much like television programs. Please give your opinion on the matter. ~Mable (chat) 09:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Some newspapers do have international influence, e.g. The Guardian and The New York Times, since many non native English speakers read one or more of them to get international news, and many non-English news media either translate or retell news reports from these newspapers. Besides, many non-Westerners have heard all of them, so they are definitely vital.--RekishiEJ (talk) 09:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
New York Times is vital because it is internationally known. The other ones are more borderline. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
You could say that there are too many magazines and newspapers but it depends. The whole mass media needs further discussion. I'd prefer having Rupert Murdoch instead of the Wall Street Journal (we have Ted Turner but not CNN and in Murdoch's case he has owned many types of media). Gizza (t)(c) 03:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
None of the five papers listed are "local". Each is read nationwide in the country of origin. pbp 21:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Museums[edit]

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Politics and government[edit]

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Psychology[edit]

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Society[edit]

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Sociology[edit]

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War and military[edit]

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Biology and health sciences[edit]

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Basics[edit]

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Anatomy and morphology[edit]

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Biochemistry and molecular biology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Biology and health sciences#Biochemistry and molecular biology for the list of topics in this category.

Add Oxytocin[edit]

A hormone that has recently grown to be considered among the most important in producing behavior and emotion in humans - particularly in promoting prosocial behavior and emotional bonds between partners and parents/children. We have 5 hormones, and I think we could add a couple of more. Oxytocine is at least as vital as epinephrine and plant hormone.

Support
  1. Support As nom.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Gizza (t)(c) 03:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Add Cortisone[edit]

A hormone that is centrally implied in producing stress responses, the fight or flight reflex and in the workings of the immune system. Is at least as vital as epinephrine and plant hormone.

Support
  1. Support As nom.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose for reason in discussion below. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

Steroid needs to be added first. Cobblet (talk) 09:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Steroid should be added first. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Add Steroid[edit]

Suggested above. It is a vital type of hormone in the human body, containing many different hormones such as cortisone. Synthetic steroids have been made to imitate this type of hormone. As one of the major classes of hormones, it should be on the list.

Support
  1. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Biological processes and physiology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Biology and health sciences#Biological processes and physiology for the list of topics in this category.

Botany[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Biology and health sciences#Botany for the list of topics in this category.

Cell biology[edit]

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Ecology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Biology and health sciences#Ecology for the list of topics in this category.

Zoology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Biology and health sciences#Zoology for the list of topics in this category.

Organisms[edit]

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Add Smilodon[edit]

Better known as the sabre-toothed tiger, the Smilodon is one of the best-known prehistoric animals. Because of that, people will be curious to read about it. It's popular, very popular.

Support
  1. Support I think this was ML's proposal. Cobblet (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support, I did not come up with this idea myself, no. I wasn't even sure if I supported it until now. I apparently forgot to sign? Odd. ~Mable (chat) 11:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Gizza (t)(c) 12:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support pbp 18:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support  Carlwev  19:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discuss

I will probably support this. I noticed that Smilodon was missing when proposed to remove mastodon. At the time there were two extinct elephant-like animals (now there's only mammoth) but no sabre-toothed tigers, which I thought was bit of an anomaly. In comparison to other extinct animals, I would probably have smilodon before 8 different species of dinosaur though others may have different opinions. Gizza (t)(c) 13:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Swap: Remove Esox, Add Northern pike[edit]

Esox is the genus of fish commonly called pike or pickerel. I think it might be better to list the most notable species of Esox than the genus itself. Northern pike are a popular sport fish in the Northern Hemisphere and it was Wikiproject Fishes's 79th most popular article last month.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support, the Northern pike specifically is more interesting to cover than the genus it makes part of. ~Mable (chat) 11:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Gizza (t)(c) 23:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Jucchan (talk) 05:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Swap: Remove Gourami, Add Siamese fighting fish[edit]

Swapping the family for its most notable member, which was 35th in popularity on WP:FISH last month. (Gourami was 280th.)

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Plantdrew (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Gizza (t)(c) 00:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Strong Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Jucchan (talk) 05:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

There are other species of Gourami that are popular as pets but I'm not sure if they're popular enough to be vital. Gizza (t)(c) 23:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Swap: Remove Scombridae, Add Bonito Add Alaska pollock[edit]

We list mackerel and tuna, two notable tribes of the Scombridae. I suggest adding the next most notable tribe, the bonitos (146th most popular WP:FISH article) and removing the family altogether (347th) and adding the second most commonly fished species in the world by tonnage, the Alaska pollock. Your Filet o'Fish, fish sticks and surimi are all made from this species.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Scombridae, Neutral on Bonito, which doesn't look particularly vital either. EDIT: Neutral on the pollock too. ~Mable (chat) 11:15, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support removal only. Jucchan (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. SupportGonzales John (talk) 10:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Plantdrew (talk) 05:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Gizza (t)(c) 00:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  7. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

I just realized bonito probably gets a lot of hits because people are looking for skipjack tuna, which is sometimes also called the oceanic bonito, but is classified as a tuna. It's the third most commonly caught fish in the world, behind the Peruvian anchoveta (we don't list that but we do list anchovy) and the Alaska pollock. Cobblet (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

The Alaska pollock definitely looks better, but I don't think there is enough to it to make it vital. It's a enourmous source of palatable fish and people are worrying of the consequences of a collapse on the ecosystem, but I have a hard time seeing the species' cruciality for an encyclopedia. There's its use in the fast-food industry, though... ~Mable (chat) 09:14, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
On a list of ~100 fish articles I don't think it looks out of place. Compare grass carp and silver carp which were previous suggestions of mine that were added; they're notable farmed species. If we want to keep even less fish articles though (we've already removed about 40 over the last year), then I agree it may not be essential. Cobblet (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I do think less fish articles is generally better than more, so even if it's as vital as some of the otehr fish articles in this list, I'd rather see those removed than this one added. It's hard to decide which are and aren't vital in many cases, though, which just means that I personally try to limit what gets in with the argument "it's just as vital as these 40 fish that are in!" I'm generally not the best to judge on what fish are vital, though, which is why I'm just neutral ~Mable (chat) 09:21, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Health, medicine and disease[edit]

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Physical sciences[edit]

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Basics[edit]

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Measurement[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Physical sciences#Measurement for the list of topics in this category.

Astronomy[edit]

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Chemistry[edit]

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Add Valence bond theory[edit]

It is as vital as molecular orbital theory (see the lede of the valence bond theory article).

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support I can't see the justification for excluding one but including the other. Neljack (talk) 03:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Researchers use MO theory almost exclusively nowadays because it's better at actually predicting how molecules behave. However, its complete reliance on QM calculations makes it much more abstract and hence less useful than VB theory as a way of teaching chemists how to understand reactivity. Valence bond theory has introduced many terms that are still commonly used by chemists to describe molecules – resonance (chemistry), orbital hybridisation, sigma and pi bonds are all basic concepts still taught in any high school or university. We certainly don't have the room to include all those concepts individually, but this article could do the job (even though it's in a woefully inadequate state right now). Cobblet (talk) 09:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Gizza (t)(c) 03:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Jucchan (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  7. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Earth science[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Physical sciences#Earth science for the list of topics in this category.

Add Great Oxygenation Event[edit]

As stated in the conversation below: "It's odd to call that event "not well known". I've never heard of it under that name, but it is definitely a well-known happening that should probably be vital as well. I've heard plenty about the biologically-induced appearance of oxygen in the atosphere, but I never actually read about it. Having a good description of it on Wikipedia should definitely be vital. I'll suggest it right away."

support
  1. Support as nom. ~Mable (chat) 08:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support I can support this. Gizza (t)(c) 01:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 07:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discuss

Add each of the big five extinction events[edit]

These are Ordovician–Silurian extinction events, Late Devonian extinction, Permian–Triassic extinction event (already in), Triassic–Jurassic extinction event and Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event (already in). The three articles that aren't already in are still incredibly major events in the big history of the Earth and life. They are grouped together in these articles for a reason, after all, and are all vital.

Support
  1. Support as nom. ~Mable (chat) 12:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Neljack (talk) 03:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 02:15, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose Per Cobblet. I don't see why mass extinctions should be given more attention than the rest of geological history. We don't even have the most recent ice age which is surely more vital than the three unlisted extinctions. Also Earth Science is over quota. I prefer discussing quotas and possibly increasing it before adding another bunch of articles. Gizza (t)(c) 05:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Discuss
  1. I've moved this proposal to the "Earth science" section, since the nominator's proposal is to add another three articles about palaeontology, which belongs to geology.--RekishiEJ (talk) 14:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I simply put it in the same section where the current extinction events were already located. I guess those would need to be moved as well then. ~Mable (chat) 08:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure all these events are of general interest, and I think mass extinction might be better. If all of these are vital then the Great Oxygenation Event ought to be as well – it's not widely known either but in a way it is more significant than any mass extinction event in geological history. Cobblet (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
It's odd to call that event "not well known". I've never heard of it under that name, but it is definitely a well-known happening that should probably be vital as well. I've heard plenty about the biologically-induced appearance of oxigen in the atosphere, but I never actually read about it. Having a good description of it on Wikipedia should definitely be vital. I'll suggest it right away. ~Mable (chat) 08:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Physics[edit]

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Technology[edit]

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Agriculture[edit]

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Biotechnology[edit]

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Computing and information technology[edit]

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Electronics[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Technology#Electronics for the list of articles in this category.

Engineering[edit]

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Industry[edit]

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Add Composite material[edit]

From plywood to (reinforced) concrete to fibreglass to Kevlar to graphite-fibre sports equipment, composite materials are ubiquitous in modern society and are one of the most significant technological innovations of the last century.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 23:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Gizza (t)(c) 23:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support pbp 00:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Rwessel (talk) 05:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Swap: Remove Blacksmith, Add Forging[edit]

Swapping the historical profession for the technique which is still very much relevant today.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 23:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Gizza (t)(c) 23:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 19:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Strong Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Swap: Remove Quenching, Add Heat treating[edit]

There are many ways in which material properties can be usefully altered by the application of heat: quenching's just one of them.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 23:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Quenching is one type of heat treating and it's important to know the other types too. Gizza (t)(c) 00:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Infrastructure[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Technology#Infrastructure for the list of articles in this category.

Remove Tower Bridge[edit]

It's a famous symbol of London but is of little significance as a work of engineering. Many iconic symbols of important world cities aren't listed (e.g. Arc de Triomphe, Brandenburg Gate, St. Basil's Cathedral, Merlion, Willis Tower) and London's already got Palace of Westminster on the list.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 00:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Gizza (t)(c) 00:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Jucchan (talk) 03:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support ~Mable (chat) 08:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose An old bridge should probably be on the list. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 00:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Discussion

Swap: Remove Paris Métro, Add Pont du Gard[edit]

The Paris Métro isn't even all that notable among mass transit systems – for instance, there are six subway systems with more ridership that aren't on the list. I think the Pont du Gard is a much better example of a vital piece of engineering – it's the tallest aqueduct the Romans built, has survived intact for nearly two millennia, and has attracted and inspired visitors throughout its history.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 00:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Gizza (t)(c) 00:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support ~Mable (chat) 08:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  4. Support removal Malerisch (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  5. Support removal only Jucchan (talk) 02:23, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

And I would swap Tokyo Subway with Shinkansen. Gizza (t)(c) 01:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the Pont du Gard is a better example of Roman engineering than Hadrian's Wall or the Appian Way. Malerisch (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I think a classic example of an arch bridge (few things are better at visually conveying the usefulness and elegance of good engineering, IMO) is a better choice than an ancient road (the Via Appia has to compete with the Royal Road) or a second example of a defensive wall (we've got the Great Wall of China), but that's just me. Cobblet (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Machinery and tools[edit]

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Media and communication[edit]

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Medical technology[edit]

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Add Dialysis and Cardiopulmonary bypass[edit]

Techniques/machines that are part and parcel of modern medicine.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support although I'ma bit more comfortable with Dialysis than bypass  Carlwev  13:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Gizza (t)(c) 00:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 04:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Military technology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Technology#Military technology for the list of topics in this category.

Navigation and timekeeping[edit]

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Optical technology[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Technology#Optical technology for the list of topics in this category.

Swap: Remove Photodetector, Add Charge-coupled device[edit]

I don't think we need to list classes of sensors, be they photodetectors, chemosensors, biosensors, etc. I suggest replacing that article with the CCD, which is the semiconductor device that made digital imaging practical for the first time and is still employed in a variety of applications ranging from endoscopy to the Hubble space telescope.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Gizza (t)(c) 04:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Space[edit]

See Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/Technology#Space for the list of topics in this category.

Remove James Webb Space Telescope[edit]

Per above discussion. A telescope that hasn't even been launched yet is not vital. We don't really know what its impact will be. We can only speculate.

Support
  1. as nom. Gizza (t)(c) 12:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support Malerisch (talk) 12:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support ~Mable (chat) 15:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Jucchan (talk) 16:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support  Carlwev  08:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

Thoughts on removing the Herschel Space Observatory and the Spitzer Space Telescope? IMO one space telescope is enough for the list (Hubble Space Telescope), and they don't stand out as more vital than several other spacecraft/space missions not listed like Cassini–Huygens, Mir, Galileo, Pioneer 10, the Viking program, Spirit and Opportunity, or Voyager 2. I'm not even sure if they're more vital than the other unlisted space telescopes like the Chandra X-ray Observatory. Malerisch (talk) 12:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Support ;p I agree, those seem much less vital than some of the examples you've given. ~Mable (chat) 15:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Remove Proton (rocket family)[edit]

Per above as well. If we don't list any specific examples of notable cars (Ford Model T) or aircraft (North American P-51 Mustang or Boeing 747), we shouldn't be listing more than a few specific examples of space vehicles. Proton seems to be the least notable example of the ones we have listed, so I'm nominating it for removal. Malerisch (talk) 15:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Support
  1. Support as nom. Malerisch (talk) 15:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. Support per nom. Gizza (t)(c) 00:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Support ~Mable (chat) 07:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support Rwessel (talk) 05:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion

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Add Parametric equation[edit]

Basic concept in analytical geometry.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Cobblet (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  2. Support Jucchan (talk) 05:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  3. Support Gizza (t)(c) 00:48, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Support Gonzales John (talk) 14:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. Support PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. Support Rreagan007 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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FAR[edit]

I have nominated Enzyme for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.--Jarodalien (talk) 07:00, 13 February 2015 (UTC)