User talk:Neo-Jay

Need your vote

Please cast your vote at http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8#.E6.87.89.E5.90.A6.E5.85.81.E8.A8.B1PD-manifesto

for Charter 08 to be accepted into Chinese wikisource. My user name over there is 阿拉伯王子 Arilang ^talk 21:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. After deliberate consideration, I voted "Yes". Happy New Year! --Neo-Jay (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Neo-Jay for the voting, with your powerful comment and power user background at Chinese wikisource I think there shall not be any more problem at all. I have a look at your wikisource user-page you really have done a lot of work for China. Are you a lawyer in real life? Arilang ^talk 02:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Arilang1234. I am a law student. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. And I hope that you can also contribute to Chinese Wikisource in the future. Cheers! --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I did not know you are a big name in Chinese wikisource. Yes, I would contribute to Chinese wikisource when I have time, but right now I am busy defending articles I created in en:wikipedia. I left a message on your Chinese wikisource account, could you get a few friends to help the Differences between Huaxia and barbarians? I will appreciate your help. Arilang ^talk 14:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hua Yi Zhi Bian (Chinese: 華夷之辨).

Looks like Hua Yi Zhi Bian (Chinese: 華夷之辨) would not be included in en:wiki, because we have a powerful opponent, who is very determined Arilang ^talk 08:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Although I voted Keep, and rename or merge at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Differences between Huaxia and barbarians, the chance to keep it is very low. I think that you can continue to contribute at Sinocentrism. AND, Please, add reliable sources and avoid original research controversy. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

New article

Please have a look at another article I just created, may be you can contribute a bit? 2009 CCSTV New Year's Gala. Arilang ^talk 01:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I made some copy-edits to it.--Neo-Jay (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome

Hi Neo-Jay. You're very welcome. The anonymous vandal's IP address was from behind Putian in Fujian. Looking at his/her other edits, my guess is that he or she resented what you said at the Chinese wikisource concerning Charter 08, but I may be completely wrong. Anyway, Happy New Year to you, and keep up the good work! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 12:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again, Madalibi. I found that the IP 116.28.90.253 is from Zhongshan, Guangdong by this IP test webpage. His or her contributions were in good faith except the edits on my talk page. Hope he or she will not be so angry with me. Thank you for your reverting! Happy New Year! --Neo-Jay (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it's funny. This IP test page also traced the IP to Zhongshan in Guangdong, but the map displayed a place of the same name in inland Fujian. I should have looked more carefully! As for whoever childishly vandalized your page, the best thing you can do is to ignore them. Take care, Madalibi (talk) 01:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Good to ignore, but best of all to obsess over it to the the point of trying to pinpoint location, fantasising about reasons, and setting up a special section on your page to drool over the attention. Well, Neo-Jay is an anal obsessive hypocrite, and birds of a feather, hey? "best thing you can do is to ignore them" "should have looked more carefully" ha ha, make your mind up! Over and out116.28.90.253 (talk) 02:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Happy New Year. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Wei Man

korean editor kuebie is preparing a vote to change name to a korean one, and canvassing korean editors, vote no on name change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.134.214 (talk) 21:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Open invitation

Hi, please check User talk:Arilang1234#Co-editors needed for new article Hua-Yi zhi bian 華夷之辨 Arilang ^talk 22:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)

User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)

Please provide content:lead section and the rest. Arilang ^talk 02:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Arilang1234. I don't know how to translate the concept "Hua-Yi zhi bian". I think that you can contribute at the article Sinocentrism. Adding content to the established article is better than creating a potentially controversial article.--Neo-Jay (talk) 06:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Need your help

• Please check User talk:Arilang1234/Sandbox/Lao Baixing, your opinion is needed.
• I have left a comment on your Chinese wikisource talk page, please check. Arilang ^talk 03:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not interested in this article. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Lao Baixing

Since Lao Baixing is created, I think most of the English word Chinese in all of these history articles such as Qing, Ming and Song, Ming can be replaced with Qing Lao Baixing, Ming Lao Baixing, and Song Lao Baixing. What you think? Arilang ^talk 00:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

1, I moved Lao Baixing to Baixing in line with Chinese and Japanese articles zh:百姓 and ja:百姓. 2. Of course "Chinese" should NOT be replaced by "Lao Baixing", which only refer to ordinary people and do not include officials and the nobles. Please use the words adopted by mainstream historians, and don't impose your preference upon others! Please, please, please!! --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikisource

Please check message for you at wikisource. Arilang ^talk 00:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of CCSTV New Year's Gala

An article that you have been involved in editing, CCSTV New Year's Gala, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CCSTV New Year's Gala. Thank you. Tevildo (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind notice although I'am not the article's creator. I have left my opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CCSTV New Year's Gala. And my position is Keep. Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Not at all, it's part of the procedure. :) This is a borderline case; I think it's just a question of establishing that the article's sources are reliable, which wasn't immediately obvious to me, and perhaps emphasising the significance of this sort of webcast in China. Thank you for your contribution to the debate. Tevildo (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hua-Yi zhi bian and the Unification of All under Heaven

Hi! If you have time and if you're interested, could you take a look at the above article? It has made lots of progress since an earlier version of it was deleted. Your advice would be welcome on how to improve it further or on how to rename it, because the current title appears a little bulky. Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 10:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd like your assistance if you dont mind

Several minutes ago, I attempted to write a stub article about HeathenPlaces. As you can see by this red link, it has already been deleted. The issue, is that the article literally did not even exist for one full minute, when User:TrulyBlue nominated it for speedy deletion. When I was attempting to type out my objection to the deletion, and to state my intentions of legitimizing the article within Wikipedia guidelines, the article was deleted; I was not even able to post my objection. I posted a note on his talk page, and he has since made further edits after I posted my message, so he should be aware of my message by now, and has refused to even answer me about his actions. I feel that this forceful deletionism is detrimental to the Wikipedia ideal of "the sum of all human knowledge," particularly when I did my best to write in a legitimate manner, so as to avoid appearing to be spam, or some other non-legitimate content. Can he be held accountable for his actions, or otherwise can something be done to ensure that this will not happen again? — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Han Dynasty

You've edited this article in the past. I was wondering if you could comment on how to improve Han Dynasty in its current form. I'd like to submit it as a Featured Article once History of the Han Dynasty passes its FA nomination. Thanks.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 19:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

DMR

As User:Pengyanan, you reverted a set of trivial edits I made to DMR, DMR (disambiguation), and dmr (disambiguation. Per WP:IAR, I've reverted them back -- it was a concious decision. If someone decides to make a real article with the name DMR, the disambig page will not be in the way and thus not need to be moved (in this case, 'moved again').

I'm sorry for the manual page move, but I know of no other way to do that -- as a mere mortal, at least. Dingusheid (talk) 12:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi Neo-Jay, please translate part of Hainan Submarine Base into Chinese. Thank you.222.253.242.66 (talk) 09:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Arilang say Hi

Please have a look User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/Ten thousand words letters, I think these articles should have a place in zh:wikisource. Arilang ^talk 10:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous argument

When you have time, please go to commons:File talk:Flag of the Republic of China.svg have a look, you will find out how silly people can be, can't even tell the difference between Black and Blue Arilang ^talk 01:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Autoreviewer granted

Hi, Neo-Jay. I have enabled the userright Autoreviewer on your account. This will cause the Mediawiki software to automatically mark new pages you create as patrolled so as to save new page patrollers time. If you want the userright removed, feel free to contact me. Happy editing, Malinaccier (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Wubu County copyvio issue

Hi there. I haven't logged into Wiki for a while. But someone left a message at my talk page, telling me Wubu County violated copyright regulation. It's been a long time since I created this article and you also contributed to it. I remember I translated it from Chinese resource, and the link they showed me seems irrelevant. I'm confused. Please take a look. Thanks! Ramtears (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

Hi Neo-Jay,

I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in United States legal articles to take a look at WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".

Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

• Each casebook will have a subpage.

• Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
• It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{anchors}} in Wikipedia (example).
• Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.

• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

What you can do now:

1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.

2. If you're a law student,

• Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
• Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.

(You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)

3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

Regards, Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 04:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of America Alone

The article America Alone has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

this article adds nothing to what it is already on author's main article

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The Boys etc

• I left The Boys (Australian band) where it was, and restored it to text. The Boys now redirects to Boy (disambiguation). I redirected The Boys (1980s West Australian rock band) to The Boys (Australian band). I found no history-merging to be done. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Bot

Hi. Can you ask a bot owner who adds interwiki to add the other language links in my articles. I see Alex Bot? I thought bot was automatic, I have start almost all districts. I need your help to add data.Starzynka (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your great contributions on creating county-level divisions in China. Unfortunately I don't know how to use a bot and don't know how to ask. --Pengyanan (talk) 16:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Hopi & Loho disamiguations

Thanks for your help!Geographyinitiative (talk) 15:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for your contributions.--Pengyanan (talk) 16:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Place-name Conventions

Hi, thanks for your contributions. But, you keep adding City to the title of county-level cities in China and adding Town to the title of chinese towns. You claim in edit summary that this is apparent format. NO, it is NOT. DON'T add city or town to the article title. City or Town can be added only for disambiguation purpose. I have reverted your moving many times and asked you in the edit summary to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). But you still ignore my words and continue your moving (like what you did to Leiyang and Dafeng yesterday). Please, please stop. And I have also cleaned up your edits on disambiguation pages for many times. But you still hide the entries' titles (like you did to Nanyang Town yesterday). Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) carefully before your next edit. Please don't waste your energy and other eidtors' time. PLEASE! --Pengyanan (talk) 14:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The format I use is the apparent standard for english in China, but i defer to your knowledge of wiki standard and promise not to append City or Town to any place-names that are presently unambiguous.

You are however inexact to say that i hid the article titles in my work on the Nanyang Town disambiguation page, as there were in most cases no articles to hide. Instead of making red/dead-end links (which may, let s face it, never be filled), i linked to the next largest territorial unit. The current edit of that page reads rather redundantly, dont you think -- and most of its lines now contain two links (one empty, one not) which is a violation of disambiguation-page convention.

I didnt realise you might feel i was ignoring you: I have seen some of your interventions but --no offence-- i dont know you from Adam, and my experience here has taught me not to pay too much mind, as some of the user-editors can be a mite quick, impolite or even illogical.

Anyway, we all want the best.NelsonFu (talk) 02:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, let me explain the disambiguation issue. When I say that "you hide entries' titles", I mean that you use "piping", i.e., concealing the actual title of a linked article by replacing it with other text. For example, at Nanyang Town, the disambiguation page you created on 19 October 2009, you write "[[Nanyang Town (Longyan)|the town]] in Shanghang County...", not " [[Nanyang Town (Longyan)]], in Shanghang County...". That is, you hide the actural article title "Nanyang Town (Longyan)" by piping it. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages): "piping ... should not be used in disambiguation pages" (some limited exceptions also exist). As for my adding red links to other Nanyang towns, the reason is that the convention requires that "every entry must have a link, and the link should be the first word or phrase in each entry". Red links are allowed in disambiguation page. And because red link "should not be the only link in a given entry", I link also to an existing article. If you think that those entries will never be filled, you may unlink it. Further information, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Red links. Thanks.--Pengyanan (talk) 06:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki links

Hi! I see you're adding a lot of interwiki links to enwiki no the Norwegian Wikipedia. You do know that there are hundreds of bots doing that kind of work, and would eventually get to those articles as well? It can be done automatically, so we can spend our valuable human resources in more productive ways... ;-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 14:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind message. Usually I add available interlanguage links to a new established English article, and then add the English link to at least one of other language versions, such as the Norwegian Wikipedia. I think that my first step is necessary. Otherwise the bot cannot work. Right? I agree that my second step may be unnecessary. But I hope that by doing so I can help bots work faster and more accurately. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Yup, you're right – for the bots to work properly there should be at least two mutually interwikied articles. I just assumed that you added the links to all wikis, not just the Norwegian one; we don't get a lot of activity like that, hehe. By the way, a bit unrelated, but why are you not logged in on the Norwegian Wikipedia? Isn't your account SUL'd? If it was, your IP wouldn't show up everywhere... :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I only sign up a Wikipedia account when I can participate in the community discussion. But I don't understand Norwegian language. The only work I can do is just adding interlanguage links. Therefore I prefer contributing as an IP editor, hehe. Thanks for your concern. :) --Pengyanan (talk) 17:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

In the German Wikipedia we use the Flagged-Revs-Extension. Currently we have to flag all your contribution manually. If you sign up, we could make you a "Sichter" and all you contribs would be automatically flagged. That would be much less work for us. Thx. --Koerpertraining (talk) 15:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Koerpertraining. OK, to save our German colleague's time, I just signed up German Wikipedia. This is an exceptional decision since I cannot understand German language. I will try to avoid editing at other language editions of Wikipedias. --Pengyanan (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --Koerpertraining (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Koerpertraining. My German account name is Neo-Jay. I hope I can, if possible, learn German language in the future. --Pengyanan (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

As long as you only edit interwiki-links, German language is not really necessary ;) I requested the "Sichter"-status for you and you got it. Now you don't annoy me with your edits anymore :D. Be aware of your new responsibility. --Koerpertraining (talk) 20:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --Pengyanan (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Mount Wuzhi

Mount Wuzhi is called Wuzhishan or Wuzhi Mountain here in Hainan. I, ironically, cannot read the Chinese naming convention page because it is blocked by my ISP, presumably because it contains the word "Chinese". Are you sure about renaming the article. Mount Wuzhi sounds very strange on this island. Thanks.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Mount Wuzhi is of course called Wuzhi Shan in Chinese language. I don't think it is called Wuzhi Mountain in Hainan because it is already an English name. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) requires that Shan should not be used in the name of a mountain in China. A mountain range should be named as "Xxx Mountains" (e.g., Kunlun Mountains and Qinling Mountains), and mountain peak(s) should be named as "Mount Xxx" (e.g., Mount Tai, Mount Song, and Mount Wutai). And Encyclopædia Britannica also adopts the name "Mount Wuzhi". Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 10:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ethnic Minority Place Names

Hi! Great work on the different places and settlements in China! I was wondering, where do you obtain information on the romanization of these 'ethnic minority' place names that don't follow pinyin? For example, those in Tibet or Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia? Colipon+(Talk) 14:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Colipon, I don't remember that I have created any article of 'ethnic minority' places. Usually I just add interlanguage links to them and make some minor edits. Sorry that I cannot help much. --Pengyanan (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Abag, Ujimqin etc.

Hi, may I ask where you got that names from? Cheers, Yaan (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Abag Banner, East Ujimqin Banner, and West Ujimqin Banner were all created by Starzynka. These names are also adopted by French Wikipedia. I don't know where these names are from. You may ask Starzynka for sources. --Pengyanan (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Help:Moving a page

Hi. Thanks for the heads up. The Help page has changed since I last tried to find out how to accomplish a move over a redirect. You can rest assured that with the newly updated version of Help:Moving a page, I would no longer be forced to blunder my way through.

On a completely unrelated note, I wanted to let you know I think something is going wrong with your 1 December 2005 renaming. It's very strange. I became very confused at first because I saw that the username you were editing under was different from the one your talk page redirected to. The problem is that according to WP:UNC, "Once a username has been changed, existing contributions will be listed under the new name in page histories, diffs, logs, and user contributions." It looks to me like your old username is accidentally showing up in page histories, diffs, logs, and user contributions. (NOTE: I notice you've blanked out your former username on this account so I will refrain from writing it or providing links unless you ask me to). If this is actually a case of a valid alternate account, then I would recommend adding a {{User Alternate Acct}} tag. But otherwise, unless I'm missing something, I think you should get it checked out by an administrator because it looks to the layperson exactly like sockpuppetry and it is clear to me that you are not actually a sockpuppet/puppeteer. Good luck, and please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something about your rename. -Thibbs (talk) 01:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Simulation videogame has been moved to Simulation video game. Thanks for your contributions. As for my user name, for some personal reason, I don't want to use Neo-Jay as my name, at least in some months. Maybe someday in the future I will re-activate it as my account name. Now I just use this talk page for discussion. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 06:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok, I understand. You still might consider adding a note about that on your Neo-Jay page or adding a alternate account tag. It's really confusing for those of us who aren't familiar with your personal reasons. I deal a lot with sockpuppets and as it seems you have two active accounts right now that are both non-blocked, I believe it would be easy for anyone including vandals and trolls to cause a lot of problems for you. I'll leave it up to you of course, and I'm not about to push you into doing anything you don't want to do. In fact this is the last time I'll mention it, but I do hope you'll at least consider it. I think you're leaving yourself very vulnerable to malicious interference. Good luck, -Thibbs (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your concern. I will consider it. --Pengyanan (talk) 20:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Please be more friendly to other editors

Please be more friendly to other editors. TrueColour (talk) 19:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

：I am friendly enough. I just cited the rules in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) and reverted you moving. Please don't move Lake XX to XX Lake and Mount XX to XX Mountain until you successfully change the rules. I personally do not have any preference on which one should be the naming convention. I simply follow the rules, whatever the rules are. Thanks for your understanding. --Pengyanan (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

"I simply follow the rules, whatever the rules are." - Article moves were reverted without discussing. To other articles the scheme from NC (chinese) was not applied. Only to my moves. I moved without knowing the NC, I only saw inconsistency. I removed the inconsistency. Now it is inconsistent again. " Thanks for your understanding." sounds not very friendly or welcoming. It is just like imposing onces opinion on another. But I also saw you changed some of your wordings, when posting. Ok, let's discuss on the topic itself, over at the NC (Chinese) page? TrueColour (talk) 22:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I did not think that we need discussion before reverting the moves against naming conventions. I have given the link to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) at every article's edit summary, and I did not revert any of your moves for lakes in other countries than China. I reverted only your moves because I recently only found that you moved so lot of articles. If I had found someone else, I would have also reverted theirs as well. I am not a native English speaker. If "thanks for your understanding" sounds not very friendly or welcoming to you, I apologize. It's great that you discuss at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) now. As I said, I personally do not have any preference on which on should be the naming convention. You may feel free to move those articles if you successfully change the rules. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Why move only the articles I moved to a naming scheme that is under dispute? I moved, not knowing there is dispute. I do not untderstand what you always thank me for. Once you said "Thank you for understanding" - But I did not understand. TrueColour (talk) 23:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

When I moved back the articles you had moved, the naming convention was not under dispute. And if it is under dispute, you should not move them first. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It was under dispute already more than two weeks ago And as said before - I did not know of the convention and so also not of the dispute when I moved. TrueColour (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the disputes on the talk page when the dispute tag was added had nothing to do with the names of lakes and mountains. And, as I said, if there is a dispute, the current titles should be moved first until the new consensus is reached. --Pengyanan (talk) 00:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Pengyanan, JWB made some comments with statistics, I made some comments with statistics. Do you think the convention for lakes can be changed? Mountains can be analysed later. TrueColour (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

As I said more than once, I personally do not have any preference on which one should be adopted as the naming convention. Please reach the consensus and I will follow it. Thanks for your discussion here. --Pengyanan (talk) 00:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Changing article names

Hi. I see that you have changed a lot of "X Mountain" to "Mount X". Perhaps you should stop until there is consensus on the matter. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Place_names is being disputed. Your actions are unilateral. Thanks. Regards, --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It is TrueColour who firstly moved a lot of "Mount X" to "X Mountain". I just reverted those moves. And it is TrueColour that should stop until there is consensus on the matter because the current rules of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) are against him/her. And it is his/her actions that are unilateral. If you guys successfully change the rules, I will be pleased to follow them. I personally do not have any preference on which one should be the naming convention. Thanks. Regards. --Pengyanan (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I unilaterally moved, because I was bold, I saw the inconsistency and saw from googling that X Mountain is supported by websites. I did not see controversy with other editors. In contrast to some other editor that moved back knowing the view was contested. We can all save time, if we do not move while there is known controversy. Anna also cited Wuzhi Shan move to Mount Wuzhi, which I was not involved at all. TrueColour (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, now you can see the controversy. Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) and reach consensus. As for Mount Wuzhi, I moved it from Wuzhi Shan, not from Wuzhi Mountain. No mater which one, XX Mountain or Mount XX, should be adopted as the naming convention, XX Shan is apprently not the correct title in English Wikipedia. --Pengyanan (talk) 22:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, of course now it is visible to me, you came to my talk and the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) was started by me. But why move all the stuff back .... The convention was not applied to all the articles anyway. And who invented that current naming convention? TrueColour (talk) 23:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I like to ask you why move all the stuff first. If the convention was not applied to all the articles, your personal preference is also not applied to all the articles anyway. As for the persons who invented the current naming convention, you may check the edit history of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Why marking the word "you"? I said already why I moved in the first place, because I saw a mixture of different naming patterns. It is more beautiful to have one pattern, and if both names X Something and Something X are acceptable I thought it is better to only have one scheme. Why should anyone enforce an unsourced naming convention. What did you thank me for? Could you in future please explicitly state what you thank me for and please only thank me for things I have done. TrueColour (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I marked the word you because you ask me why moved those articles back. I also said already why I moved them back, because it is what the naming conventions require. Yes, it is more beautiful to have one pattern. But we can chose the naming convention as the beautiful one pattern. Why should you (I mark this word because you refer to "anyone") enforce your own naming convention? Now, thanks for your discussion at my talk page. --Pengyanan (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:-) TrueColour (talk) 00:12, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Place names in China

Need your help, I do not speak Chinese but it looks you do. Talk:Place names in China - what is shanmai? TrueColour (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Shanmai means mountain range. --Pengyanan (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:RM

Thank you for adding the template!! I didn't have in mind how to do it. Thanks, that despite my recent unfriendliness you did help here. This is really honorable in my personal opinion. TrueColour (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. The process of Wikipedia:Requested moves is complicated. You can make it for the next time. I am neutral on the Mount Wuzhi/Wuzhi Mountain issue now. Regards. --Pengyanan (talk) 01:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I will have a look and see I can memorize this template. I think I was a little bit stressed lately. I just wanted to finish the whole topic, so I can drop it from my head. This is my personality. Technically one could wait a week or longer. I agree with you. The words I make now here, are only to show you reasons for my behavior. I think both points of view about the process (speed of process) have their validity. You sticked to process quality (not move before solving controversy), I liked this. TrueColour (talk) 01:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Some virtual puppies for you. Thank you again for the page moves and for sticking with the whole thing to the end. That wasn't fun. Oh, and thanks for the good advice on the Hainan county matter. Very helpful! If you ever need me for anything, just holler. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:43, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. They are so cute. --Pengyanan (talk) 03:44, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Content you inserted at Ming

Could you provide a source for this? [1]. Because although it's not good for the main article, it would definitely be welcome in my small and growing article, Chinese armies (pre-1911) or more precisely Army of the Ming Dynasty.Teeninvestor (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean my reverting the unexplained mass deletion of section Military at Ming Dynasty on November 24? The content was not inserted by me. I just reverted the mass deletion because Yongle the Great did not provide any reason for his/her deletion. The content was re-deleted by PericlesofAthens, and an explanation was provided in the edit summary: "This content was not vetted for the FAC process, nor is it even cited. For all I know, it came directly from an online source. Anonymous IPs do that. It's called vandalism." This deleted section Military was actually added by Kungkang at 04:20, 11 November 2009. You may ask him/her for sources. --Pengyanan (talk) 03:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in. I forgot to take you off my watchlist and saw the post. The section was probably boosted from [2]. Cheers. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. --Pengyanan (talk) 04:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Kungkang (talk · contribs) is a problem. He's doing copy and paste and creating articles without understanding our need for reliable and verifiable sources, and I am planning to take at least one of his articles to AfD, Wu Sien as I can find no sources. I suspect it is a matter of the English spelling but I searched using various relevant keywords and spellings. Dougweller (talk) 06:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

After searching the Internet, I believe that Wu Sien refers to 吴宣 (pinyin: Wú Xuān), a fictional character in a 2009 Chinese TV series: Zheng He's Voyages to the Western Ocean (郑和下西洋). You may find relevant plots about Wu Sien (Wu Xuan) in this TV series at, e.g., this, this, this, and this pages. I cannot find any evidence to prove Wu Sien (Wu Xuan) was a real person in history. --Pengyanan (talk) 12:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for links on "Jinyang New District" Page and Request for Feedback

Neo-Jay,

Thanks for the Chinese and Japanese links that you added to the "Jinyang New District" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinyang_New_District

If you are willing, please review this article, and remove the "Unreviewed New Article" Tag.

Thanks, Dcabirac (talk) 08:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions. Template:New unreviewed article was removed from Jinyang New District. --Pengyanan (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with Yongle the Great's block evasion

He's one persistent block evader. The IP range he edits from has been blocked for 5 days, but I found at least one old sock of his recently that suddenly started to edit again.

Dougweller (talk) 15:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. Are you referring to my edits at Fall of the Ming Dynasty and History of the Ming Dynasty? I also suspected that User:Emperor of China was another account of User:Yongle the Great when I reverted those edits. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 16:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, those were the edits I had in mind. Dougweller (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Twenty-Four_Histories and pynin

Dear Pengyanan, since I came to know you, I would like to point your attention to a lakuna that bothers me: the Twenty-Four_Histories gives the Chinese names of the sources, but the Romanized names are missing. That is contrary to the WP practice, where the Chinese spelling/names are followed by the pynin form, and it creates a confusion when different authors use different transliterations for the titles, sometimes with a subtle difference between totally different references. Maybe you can help, or organise an effort to fill in the missing information, it is a perfect place to use pynin, and I am sure many readers will be grateful to you. Regards, Barefact (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Barefact, most of the pinyin forms of the names of Twenty-Four Histories had been provided in their own individual articles. I added some missing ones to the individual articles, and also added pinyin to the main article Twenty-Four Histories. Thank you for your message. And I apologize if my tone in our discussion of Shato/Shatuo issue at Talk:Shatuo Turks is aggressive. Sorry.--Pengyanan (talk) 06:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Pengyanan, thank you so much, I am sure many people will be greatful for your efforts. As you noted, I used to jump from page to page to keep verifying a correct reference, now it is is piece of cake. Regards, Barefact (talk) 23:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome, dear Barefact. Best regards. --Pengyanan (talk) 23:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

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Kipchaks

Dear Pengyanan, can you please add a missing Chinese name for Kipchaks, I have run into a couple of transliteration of that name, but none of these sources show the actual Chinese characters that are being transliterated. The transliteration reads ~"Tsyn-cha", which in pynin, I guess, would be something like "Qyn chao", and it is cited as a first written mentioning of Kipchaks, at about 2nd c. BCE. I would appreciate your help with that article, I hope it would not be a task difficult for you. Regards, Barefact (talk) 05:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Lists of Chinese townships by province

Hi. I've noticed your name a lot in the page history of China geography articles. I wondered if you and anybody else you know who would be interested could draw up a list of townships by province at here. I've spotted a mass of articles in the Hudong Encyclopedia but we'd need a source to be able to draw them up by province organized by prefecture/county and also to have the townships linked in the county articles. Once the list is drawn up I'd be willing to help get the articles on townships started as info seems to be avilable in Chinese for most of them, however basic..I understand it would not be done overnight, but it could be done a province at a time. I've started List of townships of Xinjiang. I want to start all of them like Yanqi Town. Could you list them for me? ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 19:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Does it take 2 weeks for you to respond? ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 01:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

All the Dings

Thanks for sorting that out. It took me a while to figure out what you did, but it all makes good sense. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Many thanks for your contributions to Dingcheng, Ding'an County and Haidian Island. --Pengyanan (talk) 14:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Long-overdue Barnstars

		The Super-Special Barnstar
		Hello Pengyanan/Neo-Jay. I hereby present to you this wide array of barnstars for all your excellent work, especially in the area of Wei qi, (which I think is the most beautiful thing in the world -- even more beautiful than Bach, Pissarro and Shakespeare combined), and of course, for your Chinese geography edits. You are a great asset to the project. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks you so much! --Pengyanan (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Wuxi County

Good job! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Baisha Men Lighthouse

So should we move Baisha Men Lighthouse to Baishamen Lighthouse? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope so. It will be great if you agree. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree indeed. I just went ahead and did it. Thanks. :)

Resolved

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your moving. --Pengyanan (talk) 19:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

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Thank you so much! --Pengyanan (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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-- HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your granting me the "autopatrolled" permission! --Pengyanan (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, now I'm confused! You talk page is a redirect and I flagged the account it redirects to. Which one do you use to edit? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, for some personal reason, I don't use my main account Neo-Jay right now. The account Pengyanan usually do minor edits and only occasionally create new pages, and all of them are disambiguation pages. Probably I will re-activate my main account Neo-Jay later this year. Sorry for the confusion I caused. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll flag both then. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --Pengyanan (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion was copied from User talk:HJ Mitchell. --Pengyanan (talk) 10:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Lifan move revert

You reverted a page move of the Lifan Group page to its original location. I don't know what naming convention you're referring to. It sounds like a good idea to title an entry that is about a legal entity with the legal name of that entity. I don't know why Microsoft isn't Microsoft Corporation, but I don't know if that's in any way relevant here. People who are interested in the Lifan article will probably be interested in the legal entity not the brand name. Fleetham (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names: " Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it instead uses the name which is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." And please see the examples provided there. I noticed that you recently moved a lot of articles from their common names to what you called "legal names" such as moving Lifan Group to Lifan Industry (Group) Company and moving Soueast Motors to South East (Fujian) Motor Co Ltd. This violated Wikipeida's naming convention. All those moves should be reverted. The "legal name" of the entity can be provided in the lead section or the text of the article and should not be the article title. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't violate WP:NCCN because the naming the entry for a legal entity with its name isn't pedantic. These entries do not yet appear often enough in English-language press to warrant application of the "most frequently used name" clause. The people who will be most interested in these articles will be happy to be reassured that the articles truly are about the legal entities named in the title. Fleetham (talk) 01:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Please prove that "these entries do not yet appear often enough in English-language press". How many times is enough? Lifan Group is the common name that this company refers to itself as. And please notice that Soueast is the official English name adopted by this company (see its official website). On what ground that do you think that South East (Fujian) Motor Co Ltd is its "legal" name? Please follow the naming convention. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 01:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Look at the provided examples: Bill Clinton, the NAZIs, etc. These examples are all tremendously famous to the point of "famous in places they don't need to be" famous. When an example is not tremendously famous, e.g. Aphrodite of Melos, the common name differs significantly from the "pedantic" name.
Such is not the case with my page moves, as their common names and their legal names do not significantly differ, i.e. any reasonable person would be able to identify the common name from the legal name. Such is the standard I have set. Fleetham (talk) 02:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

There are 36,300 results for Lifan Group at Google search and only 9,140 for Lifan Industry (Group) Company (ratio 4:1); and there are 145,000 hits for Soueast Motor and only 7,180 for South East (Fujian) Motor Co Ltd (ratio 20:1!). If these are not significant differences, then what are? --Pengyanan (talk) 03:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying these companies don't have "common names". What I am saying is these companies don't have enough mentions in English-lang. media to warrant their use. People simply don't know "Lifan Group" and would therefore prefer the more-correct "Lifan Industry (Group) Company". What I am saying is, "Everyone loves Bill Clinton, but they don't know him as 'William Jefferson'" Fleetham (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, even if you insist that 36,300 and 145,000 results are still not enough mentions (and I don't agree), then Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names does not require that these companies should "have enough mentions in English-lang". It only requires using "the name which is most frequently used to refer to the subject". As long as the name is the most frequently used, it should be used as the article title. In the two cases we are discussing, Lifan Group and Soueast are apparently the most frequently used names and should be the titles. Please follow the naming convention and don't impose your own naming preferences. Thanks. And BTW, how do you know that people prefer the full name of Lifan? How? I, as a member of people, don't know Lifan Industry (Group) Company and prefer the common name Lifan Group. --Pengyanan (talk) 03:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a lot of mentions, but maybe not a lot for legal entities of such size. And the problem with even 30K+ mentions that we still don't know what "real" common name will emerge, if any. And until a larger, more varied body of work mentioning these companies emerges we won't know. For example, South East (Fujian)... is obviously going to have the common name "Soueast", but in reality only that company and companies which own it actually use the name. It's a commonly used name, sure, but one only in common use by a select few. So we can take all of those mentions and place them in one box, and if we look in another box we will see too few mentions. There might be depth, but I would argue a true common name needs breath as well. Fleetham (talk) 04:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I do want to come to some consensus on this point: if every person at the company uses the same nickname for it, this nickname is not a common name because it's not in common use. Fleetham (talk) 04:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The Google search results are not used by select few. They are used by English-language reliable sources, which meet the Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names standards. No one here argues to adopt a nickname only used by the persons inside the company. If such a nickname is not used by the English-language reliable sources, then it should not be the article title. If it is, then it should be the title. In the two cases we are discussing, Lifan Group and Soueast are apparently the common name used by English-language reliable sources and should be the article titles.--Pengyanan (talk) 04:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, The Economist called Lifan ["Chongqing Lifan Industry Group"], which is even closer to its true legal name, as these things are required to include a location by Chinese law I believe. Fleetham (talk) 05:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Even in this The Economist article, the company is referred to as Chongqing Lifan Industry Group once and Lifan Group twice. This again clearly shows which one is the common name adopted by English-language reliable sources. --Pengyanan (talk) 05:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

That's the same "A:B..." pattern seen with acronyms and acronyms aren't common names. I don't know if a common name is simply a convenience, but this pattern only evinces a convenience. Fleetham (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

A common name of course may be a convenience. United Kingdom is apparently a convenience of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And I have not found any Chinese law requiring that a company's name must include a location (where is the location in Lenovo's name?). If you believe there is one, please provide a reliable source. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 07:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how many people prefer the legal name, but I would imagine those who want to read such articles will have some motivation to do so--to learn about the company. The legal name as title is an assurance that the company they are learning about is the same company they came to learn about, and not some other, similarity named (or closely-aligned) company. See; Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group and Guangzhou Automobile Group Fleetham (talk) 04:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Again, please follow the naming conventions, not your own naming preferences. And wow, you moved Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group to Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group Co Ltd and moved Guangzhou Automobile Group to Guangzhou Automobile Group Co Ltd. You just added Co Ltd to the company article titles. This violates Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies): "The legal status suffix of a company (such as Inc., plc, LLC, and those in other languages such as GmbH, AG, and S.A.) is not normally included in the article title.... When disambiguation is needed, the legal status, an appended "(company)", or other suffix can be used to disambiguate." Adding Co Ltd to these two companies' titles does not disambiguate anything. Therefore these moves should also be reverted. --Pengyanan (talk) 04:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's quite unusual :) It doesn't say that such abbr. can't be included. I will revert those moves, however. Other moves that don't constitute abbreviation additions really should be thought out on a case-by-case basis, however. Fleetham (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I reverted most of the pages. I did not revert: Beijing Hyundai Motor Company, Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co Ltd, and Chang'an Automobile (Group) Co Ltd. This is because: "Company" is not an abbreviation, I can't move to Beijing Automotive Industry Holding, and I don't know if Chang'an Automobile (Group) is a good name, respectively. Fleetham (talk) 04:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh wait I just remove the parenthesis... sorry Fleetham (talk) 05:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The word Company is also a suffix and should be excluded from the article title as a rule. Please read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies): "In some cases, ...suffixes (such as Company... and so forth) are an integral part of the company name and should be included as specified by the company, especially when necessary for disambiguation." This means that 1) the word company is also a suffix and therefore should be treated as other suffixes like Inc., plc, LLC; and 2) only on the exceptional occasions prescribed by the naming convention, the word company can be included in the title. --Pengyanan (talk) 08:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in on another talkpage, but thanks Pengyanan for sticking to it. Also, Beijing Hyundai is clearly the better title, and I would vote for a revert to Chang'an Motors. Beijing Automotive Group is the name used by the company for their own website, in their logo, and so on. Those names would also allow for much easier wikilinking without having to spell out the whole "holding co group ltd" soup.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 20:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message! --Pengyanan (talk) 07:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Northrop Grumman X-47

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Northrop Grumman X-47, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you! -- Nyswimmer (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion was copied from User talk:Pengyanan.--Pengyanan (talk) 08:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Your good faith edit at Northrop Grumman X-47 was reverted. As I put in the edit summary, Northrop Grumman X-47 can apparently refer to both Northrop Grumman X-47A Pegasus and Northrop Grumman X-47B. Therefore it should be redirected to the disambiguation page X-47 or should be a disambiguation page itself. And, please don't be eager to point your finger at other users and claim their edits to be vandalism. Please be clam and civil. Thanks. And, if you want to have further discussion with me, please leave message at my current talk page User talk:Neo-Jay, not User talk:Pengyanan. --Pengyanan (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion was copied from User talk:Nyswimmer.--Pengyanan (talk) 08:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I got a message on my talk page about this edit and you said to reach you put a message on your talk page. I didn't mean to correct that edit sorry:( I see it's not vandalism I was using a tool where almost everything was vandalism and marked that by mistake.Please forgive me as I'm sorry and meant no harm --Nyswimmer (talk) 12:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

That's all right. Thanks for your message. --Pengyanan (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Datang town (Chengdu Datang) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Datang town (Chengdu Datang). Since you had some involvement with the Datang town (Chengdu Datang) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your notice. I am neutral and have no opinion on this issue. --Pengyanan (talk) 08:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Lingyuan re-direct

Please do not remove CSD templates when they have not been processed. You seem to agree that Lingyuan City is the primary topic, but deleting the CSD template holds up the move. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 11:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I removed the speedy deletion notice on Lingyuan because I don't think it's necessary to delete it. I moved Lingyuan to Lingyuan (disambiguation) and redirected Lingyuan to Lingyuan, Liaoning and placed a disambiguation hatnote at "Lingyuan, Liaoning". But if you insist moving Lingyuan, Liaoning to Lingyuan, that's fine to me. And by the way, you do not need to request speedy deletion of that page for such move. You can place an uncontroversial move request at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Uncontroversial requests to ask to move "Lingyuan, Liaoning" to Lingyuan. --Pengyanan (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I do insist on moving Lingyuan City to Lingyuan alone, and since I have tried doing so myself, I know that it has to be deleted. In general, when appropriate, CSD requests can be processed much more quickly than move requests. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 13:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

NC-ZH Policy for Villages (村)

What do you think villages should be disambiguated by? 县级行政区 or 乡级行政区? (I think the former) We need to write a specific policy for villages as I am encountering more village articles than I thought. Thanks much. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 01:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I agree that the county-level division can be used to disambiguate villages in China. Best regards. --Pengyanan (talk) 13:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Official Flag of the Ming Dynasty

Do you know what the official flag of the Ming Dynasty looks like and if there is more than one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.189.105 (talk) 04:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Ming Dynasty did not have any official flag. File:日月旗.svg is a hoax. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 06:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Mainland Chinese towns task force

I invite you to join here for now. Thanks. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 17:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your invitation. I have joined it. For some personal reason, I currently do not create any new article except disambiguation pages. But I can help edit the town and township level divisions. By the way, as far as I know, four Chinese county-level divisions, Dushan County, Songtao Miao Autonomous County, Shanhaiguan District, and Lianshui County, have not been created as articles. They are currently all redirect pages. Shanhaiguan District now redirects Shanhaiguan, which is the pass, not the district. The other three redirect their upper (prefecture) level divisions or a list. It will be great if you can change them to articles. Thanks for your contributions. --Pengyanan (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I can make quick stubs out of the three counties you listed, but 山海关 is trickier, because of the distinction between the division and pass; I will need to make edits to the pass page, too, to make that distinction. Thanks for joining. Hopefully for you this work should be more interesting than disambiguation... –HXL's Roundtable and Record 18:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks! --Pengyanan (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, for DAB pages that have only 大陆、台湾 topics, could you use "the following in (of) China" (if mainland only) or "the following in (of) mainland China or Taiwan"? Saves the unnecessary repeating of ", China". –HXL's Roundtable and Record 03:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for your message. --Pengyanan (talk) 00:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

With my edit summary at Zhenping 'this "in China" business at the end of every line is idiotic', it was not an attack directed at you specifically but a harsh criticism of your editing style, which is acceptable acceptable under WP standards. I think this time you have been entirely unreasonable. Let loose please...I have had to make such changes on countless pages to the point that the frustration should be understandable. If I don't see any cooperation, I will simply not mention "in China" at all...any half-awake user should realise these are all Chinese names anyway. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I am shocked to see your distinction between the attack directed at someone and at his/her editing style. Wikipedia:Civility#Identifying incivility - 1 (d) gives an example of direct rudeness: "that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen". This example is, in my view, also not an attack directed at a person, but an attack directed at the person's behaviors, acts, editing style, etc., since the stupidest is thing, not person. And the word idiotic is, in my view, as rude as the word stupid. Therefore your comment in your edit summary at Zhenping is, in my view, not civil. Even under your person-versus-editing-style distinction, it is an attack directed at a person to call a person entirely unreasonable. OK, enough, please leave my talk page. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

That you spent your time to fully explain that policy is not at all my problem. Don't complain about this wasted time. You admitted it yourself...I was incivil but not a personal attack. That you could refuse cooperation on this rash edit summary alone does not reflect on you well, at all. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Did I say that your edit summary is a personal attack? I just said that it is rude. Since even you admit that you were incivil, I hope that you do not think that it is acceptable under WP standards (see Wikipedia:Civility). And, again, please don't leave any comment here. You are not welcome before you apologize. --Pengyanan (talk) 15:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)