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Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure

If anyone here has the right to delete pages, please delete Draft:Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure, I already made the move to Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure so please deleteDraft:Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure thanks.Aviation160 (talk) 06:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Aviation160: Do not copy and paste content because we need to retain the page history in one place. Page moves are done through More->Move on the top next to the search bar. Right now your mainspace article is deleted because it was copied there prematurely, but your draft shows promise (ReaderofthePack thinks so). Please work on the draft some more, address some of the issues raised there, and move it into the mainspace at at later time. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:39, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

[EC] Yes, I have the right to delete pages. I deleted Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure, which as you say you created. You don't mention that promotion to article status of Draft:Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure was recently declined (by ReaderofthePack; her helpful comment was a waste of her time, it seems). I'm just the latest person to delete "Rowley Jefferson's Awesome Friendly Adventure": Tavix and Discospinster did so on earlier occasions. I'm surprised that the enthusiasm for creating an article on this subject -- by The Incognito Guy (already blocked as a sockpuppet) and yourself (twice) -- isn't matched by enthusiasm for providing reliable sources that would attest to its notability. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: A quick Google shows that there does appear to be several notable sources. I wonder why the OP didn't bother citing them. Geicraftor (talk) 09:10, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for checking, Geicraftor. I have no opinion on the notability of the subject. Incidentally, my mention of "the right to delete pages", was of course mistaken. I have the technical ability to do so, an ability I can only use according to policy. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

• @Aviation160: I'm more than willing to help you on this, but you need to be willing to work with us by following guidelines. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, so can any body move the draft to a (article) so it will be normal? I don't have permission, Thanks Aviation160 (talk) 17:58, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Aviation160, if you could bring yourself to improve the draft, then somebody might indeed move it. But you've ignored what ReaderofthePack wrote and haven't shown any interest in improving the draft. Referencing aside, there's a remarkable contrast between your writing style here and the writing style in the draft. Indeed, the draft looks as if it's somebody's little joke. -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Can default date style on the Edit Bar citation codes be changed in settings?

Is there any way to change the default date style (for the clickable Access Date) in the Edit Bar citation codes, via one's personal settings or preferences? It defaults to British date style, and has to be manually changed to American style with each use if American style is desired. Thanks for any help or advice. TerryBG (talk) 07:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@TerryBG: Template:Use mdy dates and related templates will automatically render the dates inside the citations in the correct format. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks Ganbaruby. Is there any way to change the clickable default date-style that the edit bar uses? I like for the dates to conform to the national style of the subject I'm using, even if I forget to add the mdy code to the top of the whole article. TerryBG (talk) 07:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@TerryBG: Me too, just for consistency if nothing else. I also noticed that, starting a couple weeks ago, the click-to-fill icon (whatever it was) for that field disappeared. Anyone know what to do about this before I dig into it after some sleep? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@TerryBG and AlanM1: Seemed to have figured it out. You just copy the following onto Special:MyPage/common.js:

$('head').one('reftoolbarbase', function() {
CiteTB.UserOptions['date format'] = "<monthname> <date>, <year>";
});

Hope this works! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Turns out I had already found that (and other options) at Wikipedia:RefToolbar/2.0#Configuration, done it, and promptly forgot about it. BTW, the problem I had with the missing "fill-me" button (with the calendar icon on it) next to the "Access date" field was apparently caused by the name change of the field from "accessdate" to "access-date". I made the change to my common.js and the calendar button reappeared. I've inquired about changing the doc at the relevant talk page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Ganbaruby! And if I'm editing a British subject for a while, can I just remove that code from my subpage and it will revert to the default? TerryBG (talk) 11:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@TerryBG: Yup. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Relativity between two same things

Wikipedia auto-filter of source is, and well very good, for, well blackish-source-interception. However, is it because of political stand-point, or is it really "a bad new source", to eventually restrict user against citing Global Times source. If you want to go further arguing with me, why not let me interpret and explain to you the reality. Is that when I cited Global Times source and confirm my publish of edit, one nuisance would pop-up, saying clear that the source I'm citing is not reliable or whatever, who impose this restriction? Gosh, second step I took, was however, tried to find Global Time's trace in other article, I found a bunch of it. Like India News citation, as in 2020 China-India Skirmishes, the news was directly sourced from global times, acting s third party, then, why not you, together, restrict the website's citation availability. Besides, being one of one of the only, well state-owned news media, it has full coverage of everything, that is, well, possible to be covered by their news team. Lots of Chinese (mainland)-news-sources is based on Global Times as reference (full-copy) while being cited through third party websites, like SCMP, India Times etc., to source news form Global Times. Who can explain this? If Global Times is unreliable, I think third party could not live, then, as of now. Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 13:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

INFORMATION FROM WIKIPEDIA'S ARTICLE ON Global Times: "The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective. The newspaper has spread unfounded conspiracy theories and disinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic." And, per Global Times, disinformation about other topics. David notMD (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Every news has its on views on cases, it doesn't mean it has a joint-conspiracy theory of doing things, even though "you" hate the ideology of CCP doing things, leaded by leaders in your "own country", accept this as a controversial point of view. Just accept and justify it. For fake spreading of news, you can't prove it clear, I can say this statement is false, and is brought up by western community to counter CCP. I believe a lot didn't cared about news transparency and unpropitious/incorrect of it, but as part of their country's worldwide efforts to destabilize all communist governments, they ramp up against CCP, like as news agency such as BBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

This is a reliable sources discussion. Anyone want to weigh in? David notMD (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

There is near unanimous agreement, per this discussion [1] that the Global Times is a tabloid propaganda rag, and is thus a "deprecated" source. AdmiralEek (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

If, Global Times, per anti-ideological "editors", is a tabloid propaganda rag, and is thus a "deprecated" source, then why we cite third-party source that is copied and sourced directly from Global Times, isn't this indirect distribution of propaganda. Say it steadily for your self, Wikipedia is for everyone and is free for everyone to share their thoughts, and censorship does not occur under political standpoint or ideological-prejudice. If Wikipedia wants to play political propaganda censorship, why not BBC, CNBC et. cetera. get banned, as they follow western ideology and is on the conspiracy of Western propaganda. These are the inequality of news availability, and I request fellow Wikipedia to remove the restriction. Within the limits, I can also say BBC spread fake Chinese deprecated news out and is a tabloid propaganda rag, and this is why it gets banned. SO, IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS CARD WITH ME, GO DO IT TO BBC, #EQUALITY AND FREEDOM OF NEWS AVAILABILITY AND NON-POLITICAL-"SIDE VIEWS" OR STANDPOINT. So, you see, the Western accused G.T. of spreading fake propaganda, and thus, G.T. is restricted, then, on the other hand, China accused BBC of spreading fake and "counterfeit" propaganda in and around China, so, why not, we restrict BBC citation. With such, I DON'T THINK EITHER G.T. OR BBC IS WRONG, BUT POLITICAL JUDGEMENT AND CRITICAL POLITICAL BLACKISH/ENVIOUS OF THE CHINA ERA THAT causes G.T. TO GET THIS TREATMENT, AND, POLITICAL REFRAIN AND avenges/TIT-FOR-TAT caused BBC TO GET BANNED. SO WHY NOT, IN THIS COMMUNITY, LET'S CREATE POLITICAL-FREE ENVIRONMENT, and stop the restriction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

You said "Wikipedia is for everyone and is free for everyone to share their thoughts". No, Wikipedia is definitely not for everyone to share their thoughts. Our articles report what reliable sources have said. We have judged that Global Times is not reliable and BBC is. It's not about which ideology a source has but whether their claims are considered reliable. Western sources can also be unreliable. The British Daily Mail was the first source to be deprecated. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hypersonic man 11: There is also a big difference between the Chinese state censorship banning media from the whole country, and Wikipedia, a privately run website, choosing not to report what somebody claims. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

It's unclear to me how allowing use of a source that apparently disseminates propaganda would "create a political-free environment", Hypersonic man 11. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@User:PrimeHunter, this is per Wikipedia, not form me @User:PrimeHunter, if the whole state media team is banned, BBC and others should get banned for Eastern's violation and controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

The two cases aren't remotely comparable: the BBC is editorially independent of the British government. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry, stop arguing and interpreting in a political standpoint, the "independent" means non-sate-own, and you are credibly just going recklessly against CCP AND communism ideology like other Wikipedians to destabilize Chinese presence in the growing world. BBC, i know, it isn't backed by state, however, it is whirled inside the case, of spreading of fake news, and, is considered a "deprecated" source, as per China. Neither of them is wrong, I know, "but" they are just dragged by political tensions. Say it your self, BBC also spread fake and unapproved news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry, no, I didn't credibly mention disseminating propaganda would create political free environment, but, I meant Western Wikipedians follow a conspiracy of destabilizing growing Chinese presence, instead of saying it is a propaganda spread-room, we can say it is an insightful source of Chinese article. For the propaganda, every government has it, and you're gonna adapt to China's today, in 21st century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

If your beloved Chinese dictators conquer the World then they can close Wikipedia or use it in their propaganda. Until then, the editors decide what to do. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Whoa, don't go any further with this, I first mention news availability, not pro-parties, why do you have to meddle with politics against each-other in Wikipedia? Do you want to go any further? Until then, your snubs are deleted and you are round-up-ed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

AdmiralEek pointed out that in 2020 there was a month-long debate on Global Times as a reliable source and the decision at that time was "Result: Global Times is deprecated and is now considered an unreliable source; WP:SNOW close. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)" A new RfC discussion could be started, but for now, that decision stands. David notMD (talk) 15:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD, Neither does I want to be whirled into the politics, however, just saying, that none of the bilateral media group is a deprecated or unreliable source, they, particularly is forced by state and their conspiracy held theory to go against each and other, BBC is forced to spy-report Xinjiang camps and create counterfeit and fake news, to convince others to go against China's ethnic issues, does we have to meddle with propagandas here, I could held BBC up for commenting on Eastern issues from a nationalistic perspective. The newspaper has also spread unfounded conspiracy theories and disinformation related to the Xinjiang reeducation camp and is considered a deprecated source. I could do this, if @DavidnotMD wants G.T. to continue get restricted in citation, from a western perspective and reckless conspiracies, you should, however, consider to do this to BBC, from an eastern perspective and conspiracy theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't expect this to be month long, however, I will fight until eastern gets the justice, ZH:Wikipedia also cites Chinese state-media news, and I strongly believed that they are much more ahead than us in Chinese article, for the time being, I am also ZH:Wikipedia member, and I do want to take the move if rights doesn't exist here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs)

@David notMD, so, how was it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Why is Typhoon Haima not included in the costliest Philippine typhoons?

It left a damage of 972.2 million USD. It struck Northern Philippines last 2016. The local name is Super typhoon Lawin. 49.150.48.8 (talk) 02:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, 49.150.48.8; welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you're referring to Template:Costliest Philippine typhoons. I could be mistaken here, but I believe the cost is only to the Philippines itself. So for example, whereas Typhoon Rammasun is listed as #3 at $885 million, the overall damage as described in the article's infobox is $8.08 billion. Therefore, if this is correct (unfortunately, the documentation on the template page doesn't ostensibly answer this question; its creator, Renzoy16, might be able to shed some light on this), we would have to find some reliable source which states the damage caused to the Philippines.

Moreover, at a glance, I can't find any source attesting to the figure of $972.2 million USD, so regardless of the list of costliest Philippine typhoons, it would be good to find a source for that figure so we can add it to Typhoon Haima's infobox. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I think I did not created that template, I may have improved it but I did not created it. Sorry. But to answer your query, the list was based on available data gathered by the editors as supported by reliable sources. The list, I think, is not official since that is not based from any government source. The list may be incomplete but all are supported by reliable sources.AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 03:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Redirect Discussion

Can someone take a look at this and make sure that I did it right? Thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_20#State_farm AntoineHound (talk) 04:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@AntoineHound: Looks fine to me. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Short description question

Currently writing a short description for Jangid and I put in a new short desc over at Wikidata. I have it set to none, but does this appear as the Wikidata description for everyone else, or do I manually have to copy it in? And if it doesn't show, is there an option to let it use the Wikidata entry automatically? WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 05:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter: I currently see "Caste in Hinduism known for producing furniture and arts" through Shortdesc helper on my desktop, but nothing on my phone. However, I don't know why you want to set it as none; per WP:SDNONE, a short description is helpful here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: I want to "link" the short descriptions between WD and WP. Can I do that? WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 05:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter: The English WIkipedia has chosen to not use Wikidata descriptions. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

IP address as host

Can a ip address be host? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 06:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I think technically no, though we have a few regular IP respondees, such as "The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195", as he or she states before the standard Wikipedia signature. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Editors do not need to be hosts to answer questions here at Teahouse (although sometimes non-host err in their answers (as, sometimes, do hosts)). David notMD (talk) 11:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Feature help

Can anyone please tell me how to on auto patrolled feature ??? DasSoumik (talk) 10:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DasSoumik, and welcome to the Teahouse. As a general tip, if you want to find out about a feature of editing Wikipedia or the Wikipedia community, it is often helpful to try searching for "WP:the topic" in the search bar. I entered "WP:autopatrolled" and it took me to WP:Autopatrolled. That page starts "Autopatrolled is a user right given to prolific creators of clean articles and pages in order to reduce the workload of New Page Patrol." Thus it is completely irrelevant to the 99.99% of editors who have not already created many successful articles. I hope this is not a violation of the principle of assume good faith, but my impression is that when inexperienced editors ask about this sort of user right, it is often because they are trying to do something that more experienced editors have stopped them from doing. --ColinFine (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine thank you for your reply. I am asking auto patrolled feature cause I am not able to find article which is need more ref, more information. So if I get this feature then I can easily find those article and can contribute more on wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by DasSoumik (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@DasSoumik: You have mis-understood the autopatrolled user right – you don't need it to be able to edit existing (or even to create new) articles. If you want to see various categories of things to work on (including articles needing citations), please see Wikipedia:Community portal#Help out. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1: thank you

Accuracy of entry on True Story of the Kelly Gang film

Right after watching the 2020 film "True Story of the Kelly Gang" I read the current entry under this tile in Wikipedia. I don't understand this, but many of the facts related in the second paragraph in the Plot section are not included in the film ... or at least they aren't in the 130 minute version of the film I saw on Showtime on 02-20-2021. For example, there is nothing in the film that would lead anyone to believe that Ned Kelly's family had settled northwest of Melbourne or that his father (Red Kelly) had numerous run ins with the legal authorities prior to the point in time at which the film's narrative begins. While these claims may be true background information my question is: is it appropriate to include such details in the Plot section in the entry on a film that aren't mentioned or verified in the film? When I read a summary of a plot of a film I assume that all that information is contained in the film itself, and is not information extraneous to the film. Maybe this information should be included in another (new) section of this entry titled "Historical Background" or something similar. Radphilosophe1 Radphilosophe1 (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Radphilosophe1, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you refer to the 2019 True History of the Kelly Gang (film). It's based on a novel which sounds largely fictional although inspired by real events. Whether the mentioned events are real history or from the novel, the film plot should indeed say what is in the film. It may occasionally mention other things, e.g. to help readers who know the novel and may misunderstand the film plot, but should be clear about it. A separate section may have more content about significant differences from the novel or history. I don't know the film, novel or history here. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there are articles on the film, the book and the person. Each article can and does refer to the other two articles. Each should correctly represent its subject alone and there is no real need to replicate material between them, unless it is to highlight differences, in my view. Jontel (talk) 11:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

For some reason this entry on the "True History of the Kelley Gang" (yes, you are correct, this is the proper title of the film to which I was referring) is in the category of: "This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse." I wonder why this particular entry is in this category and how one would go about making edits of it, given that it is in this category. Any information appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radphilosophe1 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Radphilosophe1: Your account has been autoconfirmed since 2019 so you can edit semi-protected articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Sorry to bother you about it. LOL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radphilosophe1 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Political Bias

I'm not sure what to do about a disagreement over wording I've had with another editor on 2020s in fashion who I think is trying to push a political cause. Llewee (talk) 11:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Llewee, and welcome to the Teahouse. Does dispute resolution help? --ColinFine (talk) 13:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Llewee: Further to ColinFine's reply, I have looked at the article and quite agree with you about POV-pushing. I have checked the sources (very poor) and have edited the page to the best of my abilities and removed all unsupported content. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding article on Nest Man of India

Regarding the article on Nest Man of India I would like to enquire that, can I write an article with title 'Nest Man of India' which is very famous title given to Rakesh Khatri, who is also know as Sparrow Man. The Nest Man (talk) 12:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The Nest Man, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. The simple answer is, Yes, you may write an article on any subject you like, provided that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for Notability. If you cannot find the sources that are essential to establishing the Nest Man as notable by Wikipedia's criteria, then it will be a waste of your time trying to create an article. (I had a quick search on Ecosia, and got no hits at all for "Nest man of India", and all the hits for "Sparrow man of India" were for somebody else, called Mohammed Dilawar.)

But there are two caveats. First, creating a new article that is accepted into the encyclopaedia is much, much harder than it looks. For a new editor to try creating an article is like trying to play a violin concerto when you have just picked up a violin for the first time: not only will it be hard, but your first few (or your first few dozen) attempts are likely to be dreadful, and you will probably get upset and disillusioned when you don't succeed in such a hard task. I strongly advise any new editor to spend a few weeks or months improving some of our six million existing articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before you eventually read your first article and try it.

Secondly, your user name suggests that you might be connected with Khatri. If this is so, you need to know that creating an article when you have a conflict of interest is even more difficult, as it is likely to be hard for you to forget everything you know about the subject and write a neutral article based on the independent sources (that you must have found to establish notability). Also, many people have the mistaken idea that writing about themselves or their concerns in Wikipedia is a way to get known: this is fundamentally wrong: using Wikipedia to tell the world about somebody or something is called promotion, and is forbidden. Finally, if you are Khatri, then you are strongly advised not to write about yourself in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Intent here appears to be an article about Khatri making nests for sparrows. See https://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/2019/oct/13/from-hobby-to-pursuing-a-cause-delhi-green-activist-builds-nests-to-save-sparrows-2046706.html David notMD (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

How does one become a confirmed user to be able to edit semi-protected pages?

 Bootpalish (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Wait and edit - see Wikipedia:User_access_levels. Jontel (talk) 12:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bootpalish, welcome to the Teahouse. Your account has been autoconfirmed since 2013 so you can edit semi-protected pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Sigh

What to do!? Keep it up Kenzie021 (talk) 13:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kenzie021. Hmm. You're at Wikipedia. You've made two edits only, to a sandbox where you said "hi!" and here, where all you've said is "Sigh What to do!? Keep it up ?" Are you maybe looking for our article on Viagra?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kenzie021: Okay let's get serious. Joking aside I'm not sure what you're post regards, but to the extent you might be looking for something "to do" at Wikipedia, please visit the Wikipedia:Task Center. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox editing

I'm new to Wiki editing. I've edited text in an infobox but it's now just sitting at the top of the article. How do I get it back into an infobox? Any help gratefully received. SMBraund (talk) 13:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi SMBraund. <nowiki> opening and closing (</nowiki>) tags are used to tell the software not to interpret wiki markup, so that when you save, the display of the page will show the code, rather than having the code propagate to its function. Wherever you copied the infobox from, you copied its code by clicking edit first, and then took the content with the nowiki tags included, instead of from the page in "read mode". That's the main reason for the problem. There was one other issue, which is that you enclosed the name of the website in curly brackets – template markup. I've fixed it all with this edit. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC) P.S., as to the second issue, I think you meant to use {{URL|Insert URL}}, so I've now changed that as well.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Q.

How can I leave a block request? $'YEG.talk.contribe.'$ 14:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi 윤은강. Please see Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Requesting blocks. This might be entirely irrelevant, but I've noted in the past that ocassionally new users say "block" when they're actually talking about page protection (probably because the vernacular meanings of the words can be easily confused if unfamiliar with their technical meanings here), so for that, please see Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. By the way, in order to request a block, you usually need to have done certain things first, so for the details of that, please see {{Reportvandal}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks.

$'YEG.talk.contribe.'$ 14:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggest you modify the appearance of your name, talk and contribution links, as near-impossible to see. David notMD (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

David notMD, I agree S Philbrick(Talk) 17:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Article edit

Hello fellow editors:) I had published an article about Ibrahim El Khoury, and then someone put it back as a draft because: "looks too much like a cv" after looking at it from another angle, I think that he was right; I now have made important changes and have added many resources, and I would like to know what you guys think, and if it can now be put back as an article? Thank You 😊 Carlhatem (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Carlhatem (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Carlhatem. You probably would be better off submitting the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation (or AFC) for review than trying to move it back to the WP:MAINSPACE yourself. Submitting the draft for review will allow an AFC reviewer to look it over and and assess it to see whether it's ready to be an article. You're not required to do this, but drafts approved via AFC tend to have a better chance of surviving a deletion nomination than those that are moved to the mainspace by their creators.

Finally, you've uploaded a number of photos to Wikimedia Commons to use in the draft and you're claiming them (except one) to be your own work. Did you take all of these photos yourself? Did you create the "National Order of the Cedar" certificate yourself? Basically, "own work" means you are the person who originally took the photo or created the work; if all you did was scan the photos or found them somewhere online and they were taken by someone else, then you can't really claim them as own work. You might want to take a close look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:OTRS because if you didn't take these photos yourself, then you're going to need to get the consent of the person who did. The one photo you didn't claim as "own work", you uploaded under a "CC-zero" license, but it seem highly unlikely that a photo taken in 2003 (even if the author is anonymous) would be considered to be OK under such a license because that license implies that the person who took the photo is known and has agreed to waive their copyright ownership over the photo. If you just made an honest mistake regarding the copyright status of the photos, then that's OK; however, in that case you probably should tag the files for speedy deletion as explained here before someone else nominates or tags them for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Carlhatem. Agreeing with everything Marchjuly wrote above, please see also WP:OWN WORK.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thank you very much for your advice, I will work on it right now.Carlhatem (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

How do I let a user know, that a page created by him is Proposed for deletion. ExclusiveEditor (talk) 14:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: at the bottom of the box that's placed in the article when you propose it for deletion, there's some text saying "Nominator: Please consider notifying the author/project:", followed by a template code that looks something like this (but with the actual article title and concern) : {{subst:proposed deletion notify| article name |concern= your concern.}} ~~~~ Copy the template code from that box, and paste it to the user's talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 14:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, the same here, please take a moment and make yourself comfortable with WP:PROD before doing so, thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Blocking user

A user is vandalizing pages and even after getting Level 4 warning he is vandalizing wikipedia, then how should I report the user to administrators and get them blocked? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

You can ask for assistance at WP:AIV if you've tried discussing things with the other editor and they haven't stopped; however, before you go to AIV, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism just to make sure their edits are likely going to be seen as "vandalism" by an administrator. You might also want to look at this if you're not familiar with how the administrator noticeboards typically work. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:34, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, before reporting a user you should make yourself comfortable how to fight against Vandalism at WP:RVAN since you warned a User directly with the highest warning template w/o proper previous warning. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, if this is about Karan Bajaj, in my opinion those were rightly reverted edits (no refs) but were in good faith rather than vandalism. David notMD (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Right edit?

Is this edit right? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi ExclusiveEditor. That edit has already been reverted by Theroadislong with the edit summary "Unexplained content removal". See also Wikipedia:Vandalism#Blanking, illegitimate.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

(e/c)That editor removed referenced content without explaining why, so it was correctly reverted.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm Sorry

Hello everyone I am very sorry for disturbing Wikipedia, I just don't know what to edit. I am new and I'm sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stawberry Poptart (talk • contribs) 16:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Stawberry Poptart Start by learning that your User page, your Talk page and Talk pages of articles are not places to compose content or express your own thoughts on a topic. The last has already been deleted. I suggest you delete the other two. I will leave some general guidance information on your Talk page. The goals include improving existing articles. Article talk pages are for discussions about how to improve articles (not personal experiences or opinions). David notMD (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

How To Add Credits for Film and Television Projects in Main Credit Box?

Hello! How can we add a citation to all film and television projects so that all Production Designers are credited along with the Director and Cinematographer in the main credit box? Production Designers are part of the primary "trinity" with the Directors and Cinematographers, responsible for the look and feel of the film and as important as they are and the Editor. In the film (or tv show itself) we are credited with full page title cards in the same way that the Director and DP are. We are often credited BEFORE the Cinematographer in the film itself. In addition, we should be able to credit the Costume Designers in this main block. All of our roles are responsible for the look and feel of the project.

I have attempted to add myself on some of my film projects and it has never shown up. Here is the history of my attempts to add myself to my projects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dhiwish11 In fact, my most recent attempt to add myself was blocked and deleted by someone you can see it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dhiwish11#Welcome%21

Because there are so many film projects on wikipedia (and I have personally designed over 40 projects you can see here https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1120039/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 ), please consider these page links of some films that I was the Production Designer for, as examples only to show how we are credited now. Each Wiki link is followed by an imdb.com link (you have to scroll down to see the crews' credits) so you can see how this definitive film and tv website credits both Production Designers and Costume Designers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Love https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1079980/reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He%27s_Way_More_Famous_Than_You https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2076216/reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreplaceable_You https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6119856/reference

Appreciate this consideration and change to the wiki! Dara Wishingrad dhiwish11 16:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiwish11 (talk • contribs)

Hi, Dhiwish, and welcome to the Teahouse. For starters, I believe you're referring to the Infobox, which appears at the top right of an article and gives basic information about a subject. The infobox templates Infobox film and Infobox television do not have a production designer parameter. Therefore, if I'm not mistaken, you would first have to visit their respective talk pages and make a proposal to add such a parameter.

Second, it appears you made those edits about yourself. Wikipedia strongly discourages conflict-of-interest editing and furthermore expects editors with such a conflict to disclose it when editing articles about a subject they have a conflict of interest in, be it financial or not.

Third, while it's true that IMDb credits you and that I don't personally doubt that you were the production designer on these films, IMDb's use as a source is often disputed due to the presence of user-generated content.

I believe the first point is the biggest factor in why your edits have been reverted, as Bovineboy2008, the editor who reverted your edit on A Very Senior High, stated: "Reverted good faith edits by Dhiwish11 (talk): Not a parameter in this template". TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 22:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Please delete redirect 'Ahmed Kamel'

Dear community, I finished my draft for the german-egypt artist Ahmed Kamel (here) and would like to delete the redirect (here), that goes to another guy with a second name. Is there an admin who can do this for me? Btw - is the submit-queue really 4 months? Thanks guys and greetz from germany! Gnomad (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

The redirect will be removed if and when your draft is accepted. Yes, there is a long queue; more that 4500 submitted drafts awaiting review. David Biddulph (talk) 17:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Gnomad, Actually, it is NOT a queue. Reviewers look at the submitted drafts and decide what they want to review next. Can be days, weeks, and (sadly) sometimes months. David notMD (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know. This operations are different to the german wiki Gnomad (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

It appears that all of the images are from Kamel's website. If true, this means they are copyright protected, and should be removed from the draft and from Commons. David notMD (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

There are descriptions of his artworks. Who's words are those? David notMD (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I have the permission of the artist and the permission mail is on the way to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org Gnomad (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

new article for dental occlusion ties

I invented dental occlusion ties (brand name: Minne Ties)about 8 years ago. They are a tool that can be used for surgeries related to the jaw/teeth. Academic articles have been published about them and they have been the subject of a number of articles in the lay press. These devices were FDA cleared in 2017. They are available and in widespread use across the United States. There are no articles in Wikipedia that reference them. Is this something I can write/contribute? I obviously have a conflict of interest as the lead inventor, but I use them clinically and I know their story better than anyone.

Thanks, Alan Johnson, MD Facial trauma MD (talk) 18:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Facial trauma MD, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for asking rather than just going ahead. As you surmise, you have a conflict of interest in editing anything relating to your devices. In fact, if you are the inventor, then Wikipedia will regard you as a paid editor, and you must make the declarations specified in that link.

The general rule is that you should not directly edit any article anywhere in Wikipedia in connection with these. What you can do in relation to an existing article is make an edit request on that article's talk page: be precise about the text you would like added or changed, and provide a reliable published source - preferably one wholly unconnected with you, your institutions, and your brand - for any information you wish to be added to the article. If you attach the template {{edit request}} to your suggestion (as explained in the link above), in time somebody will come and look at your request and decide what to do about it. They may implement it as you request, or change it, or reject it, but they will tell you why, and if you disagree, you can continue the discussion with them and make your case. Like everything else on Wikipedia this is done by volunteers, so there is no guarantee about how long somebody will take to get to it.

If you are asking about an article devoted to Minne Ties, that is a bit different. You are discouraged from writing it yourself, but not forbidden; but if you do must use the articles for creation process, so that it gets reviewed. Be aware that writing a new article is one of the hardest tasks for inexperienced editors, and most drafts are declined several times before they ever get accepted. You will need to start by finding the sources (reliably published, and wholly unconnected with you, your institution, and the manufacturers or marketers of the device; note that articles based on interview and press releases are not independent) to establish that the product meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you can find them, then you may create a draft: see your first article. You will then need to forget everything you know about the product (you see why this is difficult with a COI)? and write a draft based almost entirely on what those independent sources say. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Having Trouble adding previous teams played to infobox basketball Biography

Im having trouble adding the previous team played to infobox basketball biography. The field name is Years and Teams

Hello, questioner. You have not signed your post, nor linked to the article you're asking about. Please be clearer and much more specific in your posts if you want us to answer you. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Feed2wiki apparently incorrectly removed part of their post. Perhaps they would like to try again by adding to this section (don't forget to sign with ~~~~ at the end). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Maneesha Kukkapall

I think I messed things up, Can someone fix it ? apologies GrahamHardy (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

There we go. It's been moved back again. No problem there :-) --SimmeD (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage link

Does interlanguage link work in templates, wikitables, and infoboxes? Like what I did in 1970–71 Paris Saint-Germain F.C. season for some reason it didn't remove the external language link even though there is an article. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Paul Vaurie. As to your first question: I'm pretty sure {{ill}} works in all three. I'm afraid I'm a bit unclear as to what you then ask. You've made a lot of edits to that article (summarised here). They all look OK to me (apart from not needing the lt= parameter when the target article name is the same as the text you're putting in that parameter ...and the fact that you don't need to repeat the same person's wikilink innumerable times, as with Michel Prost and many others. You might however find that purging your browser cache gives you a better view of the changes you've made. There's a link in the 'More' tab at the top of the page in desktop view to let you do that. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your response. I will try my best to purge (I don’t know how to do it but I will make sure to try) and for the edits on the Michel Prost repetition, I think for articles such about association football club seasons this is how it is done. I’ll check out some more popular articles to see if this is the correct way. Anyways, thanks for your response. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: The purge link is not default. Nick Moyes may have enabled 'Add a "Purge" option to the top of the page' at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It purges Wikipedia's cache of a page. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache for purging your browser cache. If "it didn't remove the external language link even though there is an article" refers to a specific link then please say which one so we don't have to examine all 64 links you edited. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. The external language link that did not function I have since removed and placed a normal wikilink. It was the one in the infobox with Le Mans. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I have now undone my latest edit. You can see there is still an interlanguage bracket next to a blue link for Le Mans. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: US Le Mans is a redirect. Template:Interlanguage link#Usage says: "As of February 2016, if there is a redirect for the term in English Wikipedia, both the redirected (blue) link and interlanguage link(s) are displayed." This is because a redirect will often be to an article where the redirected subject is only mentioned briefly, or not at all. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

That makes more sense! Thank you. Now the issue is how I can maybe delete that redirect (this way people will know the article of US Le Mans does not exist.) Can you help me on that? Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: We don't delete valid redirects for that reason. It appears US Le Mans is among clubs which merged to form the redirect target Le Mans FC. That's a valid reason for a redirect, but if it was a real name of one of the clubs then it should be mentioned in the target. If it wasn't a real name then there should be no links to the redirect. That applies to all the redirects at [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk Page Suggestions/Recommendations

Hello All! My name is Benjamin Aviles and I am a new editor here on wikipedia. My question is: if I ever decide to create a whole new article, how do I decipher on my talk page which recommendations/suggestions to take into consideration when changing my original article? Is there a general rule of thumb to follow? I ask this because sometimes I am going through the Talk Page's of some articles and some suggestions seem like it would not be a valuable contribution to the article. For example, this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Violent_crime is a Talk Page of an article that has a lot of suggestions. How can I determine what are good suggestions? Thank you volunteers for taking the time! Benjamin.aviles1 (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Benjamin.aviles1 (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Benjamin.aviles1 and welcome to the Teahouse. That's an interesting question, and it often really comes down to common sense and Reliable Sources. In the example you gave, all the comments dated back many years, and I don't see anything there to act on. Just random views thrown up in the air, so I would ignore them. We don't act or edit upon opinions, but improve the encyclopaedia if good sources are provided or available to base our editing on. If you were to start an article from scratch, it would first have to meet our Notability criteria and be based upon proper, reliable sources. Once in 'mainspace', if either that article's talk page, or your own talk page received feedback about it, it would require a critical assessment to determine how to respond. If another editor warns you that you've added inappropriate content, then you can either check and accept their assessment, revert the edit (just once, and with a good edit summary), or, better still, ask them to explain their concerns so you can constructively discuss how best to improve the article. This is a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question - I hope I've at least managed to give you a steer towards the best approach to editing. If you ever need specific answers about an edit you have made, it would help enormously if you'd provide a DIFF to show us what your concerns relate to. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia Benjamin.aviles1. As someone who has actually contributed to Talk:Violent crime (a long time ago), I would suggest you just go ahead, be bold, and edit the article how you see best fits the guidelines and follows policy. The article is rated Start Class so pretty much anything you can add will be an improvement. If you have any questions about article structure, content or direction, feel free to ask them on the article's talk page because that is what they are there for. The suggestions that are already there will often be dated, so check how old they are and see if the issue they discuss has been resolved. Often, if a discussion is much older than the last edit the issue has been fixed and nobody has updated the talk page to say so. But sometimes an "old" discussion is still relevant. What constitutes "old" is relative to the number of edits as well as the absolute age, so one shouldn't be hard and fast, as "old" could mean yesterday in one fast moving article with lots of edits or ten to twenty years in an article that is rarely edited (there are some). If I would make one suggestion with editing a Start Class article, what it focuses on now is probably not going to be the focus of the ultimate article. So write about what is not there, rather than what is currently there. You will need to think outside the box on this one because violent crime is not just about what is counted by statistics, it is about humans behaving badly, so be wary about using other Wikipedia crime articles for too much guidance because many have the same focus issues. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Considering a possible edit in the article "Comal (cookware)."

The article states that the Comal was used by the Aztecs to "toast coffee." As coffee was introduced to the New World for centuries, I think this statement is not correct. Any thoughts welcome. 100.15.180.14 (talk) 22:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse - the best (and right) place to discuss this and ask for comments would be the talk page of the article, you will find it here Talk:Comal_(cookware). CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi person editing from ...180.14. Since you have pointed out a logical impossibility, and you are correct – coffee dates from approximately the 15th century, and was introduced into the Americas around 1600, the material must be removed, and I have just done so. It may be that the person who added it simply meant to indicate that it has been used to toast coffee, but was a bit sloppy when they added it in in a sentence that was speaking of the pre-Columbian period. In any event, it was entirely unsourced. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Editing a page that is currently protected so that only extended confirmed users and administrators can edit it

Hello Teahouse,

I would like to update this page as it is out of date - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Peace

However, I am unable to as it has been protected and there is a reference to 'extended confirmed access'

In the History Page it says:

21:08, 29 May 2018‎ Renamed user mou89p43twvqcvm8ut9w3 talk contribs‎ m  6,918 bytes 0‎  Protected "Children of Peace": Arbitration enforcement; WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 ([Edit=Require extended confirmed access] (indefinite) [Move=Require extended confirmed access] (indefinite)) 

The user mou89p43twvqcvm8ut9w3 doesn't seem to exist and I don't know who to go to in order to get this changed.

Many thanks, Clare Bolt (Iamclarebolt) --Iamclarebolt (talk) 23:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Iamclarebolt (talk) 23:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

The key words in that username are "Renamed user". This is an ex-administrator who's since left the project and requested a rename to get his username out of public logs. I'd ask about making the edit on the talk page. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:35, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

You have had an answer to the identical question which you asked at WP:HD. Please don't ask the same question in multiple locations. David Biddulph (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Reliable Sources for esports articles

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Hello, i am very confused about what kind of references could be considered as reliable sources for esport related articles according to wikipedia GNG? For eg:- the article i created earlier Stalwart Esports has major coverage because of their India x pakistan thing, but here in india we have much more major organisation but they don’t have enough links, they have references in indian media houses only, For example:- Orange Rock Esports is a very famous esport organisation and they’ve won many tournaments and i want to do article on them but they have references in websites like (SportsKeeda Esports) (Dot Esports) (Talk Esports), I wanted to confirm will these articles be accepted as reliable sources for wikipedia? I can confirm that they are very major esport media houses in india, but wanted to confirm from some experienced editor/ admin as per wikipedia GNG. Also if you reply to me, kindly tag me. Thanks Hums4r (Let's Talk) 23:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC) 

Hello Hums4r, and welcome to the Teahouse. I was going to recommed that you tried asking this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Esports, but I see you found that already. In general, no WP:SPS, no WP:USERG. It's ok to use non-English sources, but they still have to be WP:RS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Referring to location names that change

I'm writing a history section of a place in Taiwan that has changed names, as well has been pronounced differently over time. I have to refer to this place several times over the course of the section, and I'm wondering how I should call it? For example, Yuli, Hualien went through these changes:

• Pushige (璞石閣): Qing era
• Potsuko (璞石閣): Japanese era (1895-1917), retained same characters but pronounced in Japanese
• Tamazato (玉里; possibly -sato): Japanese era (1917-1945)
• Yuli (玉里): ROC era (1945-), retained same characters but pronounced in Chinese

It's not just this town either, and unlike this one, some of them are hard to verify when they changed their name. I've seen WP:MPN, but I have no references in English, so I have no idea what the dominant English at the historical context is. Any ideas? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

REMOVING SOURCES

Hi, I would like to ask if I also need to remove sentences/paragraphs associated with references/sources which are considered dead links or inaccessible links. Thank you! Gomenacy00 (talk) 03:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gomenacy00: Please don't delete a ref yust because it is no longer, or not cuurrently, working. Its always better to find an archived version, for example in the Wayback Machine. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: noted, thank you! Need to undo some edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomenacy00 (talk • contribs)

Daleks

Who loves the Daleks? Starkiryu64 (talk) 04:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC) Starkiryu64 (talk) 04:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Please ban this user

The user ip 2001:569:78BA:4A00:2017:8571:4DDE:3EB is constantly vandalising, and has removed my vandalism notice from the page. I do not know completely whether this can get them banned, but if it can, please ban this user. EGL1234 (talk) 05:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't look like Vandalism. Vandalism means to intentionally cause harm to Wikipedia pages. See WP:NOTVAND. Also, on Wikipedia, there is a difference between a block and a ban. Plain vandalism will get you blocked, not banned. See WP:BANBLOCKDIFF. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions request:

Greetings! to all editors of the teahouse I need some suggestions from all of you to develop it. This is my 1st article work User: Auramstate/sandbox. Please give me some time of yours to check this draft and guide me to correct if there are any errors. I have 2 doubts before submission for review. 1. Is this work eligible for hosting a Wikipedia space? 2. What category should be tag in this work? Auramstate (talk) 08:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Auramstate: I don't read Hindi, but it appears that many of the English language references are using the same Indo-Asian News Service article. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria states that there need to be multiple sources independent of each other. Although the draft states "Raju has also worked with several companies as a content writer", the two references after this statement do not include any work for other companies. GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I am feeling happy that you have given me your precious time to test my work and your suggestion is very helpful for me. I will follow your suggestions. Thanks with best regards. :) Auramstate (talk) 06:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Need help with Laura Jane Grace article

Please see my entry at the bottom of the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Laura_Jane_Grace  YarrowFlower (talk) 08:29, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello YarrowFlower and welcome to the Teahouse. The article talk page is the appropriate place to discuss this. However, Wikipedia merely reports what reliable sources say about a subject, and the information you propose to delete is correctly sourced, so you will need to make a much stronger case for its removal.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm just trying to find a Wikipedian with sufficient editing privileges who agrees with my position on the matter. The rest can be litigated between that Wikipedian and anyone who wants to dispute the change with them. —YarrowFlower (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@YarrowFlower: There is a specific noticeboard for these gender-related issues at WT:WikiProject LGBT studies, where you should get a response in line with Wikipedia policies on this topic (which I'm not sufficiently familiar with to comment). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thank you so much, Mike. That's extremely helpful. —YarrowFlower (talk) 17:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Potential COI on recent edits to Serviced_apartment

I could use some assistance with evaluating potential COI and responding to the editor YoulettingsUK for their recent edits on this article. I also see some concerns with the article on their added target page for wiki voyage. I am not familiar with that site but it appears to be part of Wikimedia. Thank you. DrGvago (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

DrGvago, welcome to the Teahouse, what makes you feel that the user is violating our WP:COI policy ?! Wikivoyage is a "sister project" of Wikipedia and supported and hosted by the same Wikimedia Foundation. CommanderWaterford (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford this article linked (has since been redirected) to the article on Wikivoyage for Peterborough which lists accommodations with email addresses that matched the editors username. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Peterborough

DrGvago (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

DrGvago, indeed - the user has been blocked meanwhile. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 5.236.137.138 (talk) 12:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How can I make a article?

Hello! How can I make a article or can't I? roscoe (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

You can certainly, however, please be advised that sucessfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks one can do on Wikipedia, it requires much time and effort. You can try to follow these steps:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:29, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Some language corrections needed regarding recent articles written by me

Fellow Wikipedians,

I know the first line of help for such a request would be the Guild of copyeditors, but A: I don't wanna overload them with work and B, these articles don't have serious issues, I'm not sure about things like CEs and grammar. It'd be nice if somebody could take a look at them, since I want to make the most out of them.

The first'd be Marina Devyatova. I worked on this article without being a native speaker of neither English/Russian. I think the article is okay, but it may need some corrections, so if anybody can help or at best find somebody with knowledge in both languages to help me finish the article, I'd be more than glad to hear from you.

I also worked on the article Junin de los Andes. Like I said, though I'm an experienced editor, English is not my native language, so I'd appreciate if somebody could read it. Like I said, I know the Guild of Copyeditors has more than enough to do, and this, not being an article with too significant issues/ not running for GA status, could need a read by a native speaker.

Your help/suggestions are welcome, also if I should use the Guild next time. Have a nice day!--Gunt50 (talk) 13:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Gunt50, best would be to mark them with the CopyEdit Template Template:Copy edit - the Guild is regularly working on this stuff and only if they are tagged properly they can be found by them. CommanderWaterford (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford Alright, I put the template on the most urgent article. Like I said, I don't thing there are big problems, but some bilingual Russian/English user should definitely take a look at the text just to make sure everything is alright. The other article can wait a bit longer.--Gunt50 (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

INFORMATION ABOUT THE TEAHOUSE

WHAT IS THE TEAHOUSE Dime123 (talk) 14:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Dime123, Welcome to the Teahouse!

As it says at the top of the page:

A friendly place where you can ask questions

to get help with using and editing Wikipedia S Philbrick(Talk) 14:22, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How to practice TWINKLE

I want to Practice TWINKLE feature but if I practice it in my sandbox, such as warning feature then it will warn myself, How do I practice TWINKLE feature? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 14:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

ExclusiveEditor, well, from your recent edits we discussed yesterday and my own experience in my earliest days I would like to advice you to use Twinkle very carefully - see especially WP:TWINKLEABUSE, it is a very powerful tool with lots of features but made for more experienced editors - make yourself familiar with the whole Twinkle Doc you can find here Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc and never forget that one takes full responsibility for any action performed using Twinkle. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, I agree that you should be careful with Twinkle especially when learning the ropes. It is important to read about how it works, but in my opinion, you really only get used to it after warning real people and using it in real situations. Make sure that you have read enough on Twinkle that you know what everything does. Try practicing the warn feature on yourself but click "Preview" (below the optional message box) so you can see what the message would have looked like. Try going through different options and previewing them until you are familiar with how it works. βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 15:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How Long To Wait?

If I want to edit an article page, I am using the talk section to make sure it is fine to contribute to the article. Is there a certain amount of time to wait before adding the content that I wish to add if no one has commented back for days? Cbeedy (talk) 15:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cbeedy: If you want to change something, be bold and edit it! After all, Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." If your edit gets reverted, don't feel discouraged and follow the bold, revert, discuss cycle. Most experienced editors around are pretty nice people, so definitely reach out to them and ask for clarification and seek consensus on the talk page. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

New Medical Research

When following the MEDRS guidelines, is it possible to cite medical research that has just been published and there are no literature reviews yet due to the rapid emergence of the disease/research? Jencastiel (talk) 15:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC) Jencastiel (talk) 15:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

UM... No. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, is a trailing indicator of developments in medical research. Individual clinical trials - especially those in new areas or with provocative results - should not be incorporated into Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prolific_inventors#Worldwide_utility_patents

I am the Frank J. Viola listed on the table of most prolific inventors as holding 319 US Patents. As of January 5, 2021, I now have 321 US Patents. How can I get this 319 number Corrected to 321? Does this list get updated automatically by Wikipedia, or do I need to do something to make it happen? Thank you! Frankonzoar (talk) 16:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frankonzoar. Just below the table in the article it says "This table is usually updated every Tuesday evening in US Eastern time, and is current as of February 16, 2021.", which probably answers your question. I've no idea how this is actually done but if you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see whether it is by a bot or active editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

But it says it is updated every Tuesday, and is up to date on 16th February, but you say that it is out of date from 5th January. I suggest you raise this at the talk page Talk:List of prolific inventors, Frankonzoar. --ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How

How to edit in Wikipedia. Thecoolviewer800 (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thecoolviewer800 See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Thecoolviewer800: Also check out the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Uploading Mug Shots of Criminals

Hello. Can I upload a clear photo I took of a mug shot of a convicted murderer, to the page on the murder? Thank you! JayElk33 (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi JayElk33. Please read WP:MUGSHOT.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Help in draft

Hello

I need help to know the reason behind rejecting this draft: Draft:Abdou Diop And if someone can help me to improve it, I will appreciate it. I think all sources available in the web are good but just in french.

Thanks Art&football (talk) 21:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

The Interventions section should be deleted. Nothing it the rest establishes that Diop is other than a businessman with a career. David notMD (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, a businessman but notable to have a Wikipedia page. isn't he?--Art&football (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Art&football: Which of the references do you believe are independent sources providing significant coverage of Diop? GoingBatty (talk) 21:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Here are 3 independant sources:

https://leseco.ma/business/abdou-souleye-diop-a-la-tete-de-mazars-maroc.html https://telquel.ma/2017/02/06/abdou-diop-prend-les-commandes-mazars-maroc_1534466?fbrefresh=4 https://www.leconomiste.com/article/1067654-cgem-abdou-diop-president-de-la-commission-afrique LesEco, TelQuel & L'économiste. 3 big and independant medias in Morocco. There is also JeuneAfrique (if you know medias in Africa, you may know it): https://www.jeuneafrique.com/193532/archives-thematique/abdou-diop-le-grand-fr-re-s-n-galais/

What do you think?--Art&football (talk) 22:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Art&football: I think the first two are reprinting the same press release. The third is behind a paywall - is it also a press release? GoingBatty (talk) 22:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: No the first 2 are about nominating him as the head of Mazars Morocco. The 3rd one is about his nomination to be president of the Africa Commission of The General Confederation of Moroccan Companies.

The 4rth one is a biography article about him. We can add this too: https://www.buzzsenegal.com/news/News/ce-senegalais-conseille-le-roi-du-maroc_n_18664.html --Art&football (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Art&football: The buzzsenegal.com article is four sentences - not significant coverage to help establish notability. GoingBatty (talk) 22:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello

I have found some additional sources that can help establish notability:

FinancialAfrik: https://www.financialafrik.com/2017/02/06/le-senegalais-abdou-souleye-diop-aux-commandes-de-mazars-maroc/ https://www.financialafrik.com/2020/09/25/abdou-diop-monsieur-afrique-de-la-cgem/

Short biographies here: http://fieldattitude.com/wp/biographie-des-intervenants/ https://www.forumae.com/amo-team/abdou-diop/

Long article in MAP: http://www.mapexpress.ma/actualite/economie-et-finance/entreprises-marocaines-en-afrique-interview-president-commission-afrique-cgem-abdou-diop/ Long article in Afrimag: https://afrimag.net/patronat-marocain-senegalais-abdou-diop-tete-commission/

Long article in L'homme actuel; https://lhommeactuelmagazine.com/interview-abdou-souleye-diop/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art&football (talk • contribs) 11:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Help with page changes to Johnson & Johnson article

Can someone please take a look at my post at Talk:Johnson & Johnson#Probable copyvio - can’t find in page text? I can’t understand why the edit can’t be made myself b/c the article text is different from the edit text. Thanks 108.21.51.204 (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC) 108.21.51.204 (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi 108.21.51.204, good catch! I see the problem has already been taken care of. If you have further questions, feel free to ask :) --LordPeterII (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I still don’t understand what went wrong. Changed to desktop view (cause mobile view is unuseable). I went to the edit link at the top, searched for “tuesday” (without any quote marks), found nothing, thought it might be case sensitive so I changed the find entry to “Tuesday”, found nothing. It must be a problem with find (Iphone) or browser I’m using (Firefox). 108.21.51.204 (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, why don’t they get rid of the mobile view? So terrible! 108.21.51.204 (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hyper links

How do you make hyper links? I want to know how to create hyper links in wiki pages EeveeAnimationswastaken (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello EeveeAnimationswastaken and welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean links to other Wikipedia articles, you can create these by adding [[these brackets]]. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 22:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, Eevee, if you want to do this in visual editing mode (the one that looks like a word processor), you can highlight text and click on the icon at the top of the page that looks like two links of a chain. This will let you link to other Wikipedia articles or to an external site, though doing the latter within the article's prose is usually discouraged. Likewise, if you want to create an external hyperlink in source view, you can use single brackets with a link followed by the text. So for example, this hyperlink for Wikipedia's homepage looks like [https://www.wikipedia.org/ this hyperlink for Wikipedia's homepage]. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

How long will it take to review a GA-article?

On February 13, 2021, I nominated Ha Ha Clinton-Dix for GA. I nominated Marlon Humphrey for GA-status on February 14 (one day later). It has been around 7-8 days since. How long will it take before both of these articles get a review? --AlabamaFan101 (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC) AlabamaFan101 (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlabamaFan101: According to Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations there is a backlog of more than 500 articles awaiting review. It will probably take some time, so be patient. There is drive starting March 1, so perhaps some progress will be made then. Additionally, you might consider reviewing some articles you are not involved with, to help get the backlog down so your nominations can be done sooner. RudolfRed (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you! I will find a article to review. Would this increase the chances the two articles I nominated get reviewed sooner before March 1? —AlabamaFan101 (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Karma does not work on a 1:1 basis. Under Sports, there are 94 GA nominations. The oldest not in review date back to August and September 2020. David notMD (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Converting articles from other wikipedia versions

Hello. Currently there are multiple pages on different versions of wikipedia that do not have an English equivalent. Currently I am considering converting the pages on the Radpanzer 90 (Deutsch Wikipedia), Spähpanzer Ru 251 (French Wikipedia), M41D (Chinese Wikipedia), and some others. Is it allowed for me to do this? Det the Eigth (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Det the Eigth, yes, translating pages from other Wikipedias is welcome, with two main caveats: (1) English Wikipedia has its own notability policies, and some other languages are not as strict, so confirm that the page meets WP:GNG before translating. (2) It's best if you know the other language, and if not, you should be careful to correct any errors introduced by Google translate. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Det the Eigth: You're not just well within your rights to translate articles over, but it's actually greatly appreciated. While I won't try to read the Chinese Wikipedia's page, I notice that the Radpanzer 90 and Spähpanzer Ru 251 articles are really scarcely sourced. Because of this, it might be best to start them as a draft and then improve the sourcing before adding them to the mainspace. Per Wikipedia's CC licensing, you'll also have to properly credit the original per WP:TFOLWP. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)x3 Hello, Det the Eigth, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, yes and no. You are welcome to create articles about these in English if they meet English Wikipedia's criteria for notability (the fact that they exist in other editions doesn't automatically mean that they do meet these, but they may). And you may use translations of the text from the other version in your article, but you do not have to. You may also copy the citations from those other languages into the English article - source in English are preferred if they exist, but non-English ones are accepted. But what you will be doing is creating a new article in English Wikipedia, not "converting" an article. See WP:Translation for more. --ColinFine (talk) 23:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Information appearing in more than one article

(I gave this new question its own section title) David notMD (talk) 01:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I have a couple of ideas for the Wikipedia page that I want to work on. But while looking for a wiki article I found that some of the articles have the potential to have overlapping information. Do I have to worry about whether or not the information might be presented in a section on another page? (Ex: foresensic science article talks briefly about blood stain analysis) If I do how do I know if the information was already presented on another page? GZhen (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC) GZhen (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@GZhen: You don't have to worry about if the information is on another page. If you feel like the information is pertinent enough to the subject, feel free to include it. Go into as much depth as you need while not going off track. That being said, there is also a hatnote at Template:Main, which are put under section headers to show that the section has a main article that goes into more detail. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:42, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

MeTV Programs article to watch

Can anyone watch List of programs broadcast by MeTV, because Alot of people are editing the article without edit summaries, and I sometimes could be lazy to Revert these edits. LooneyTraceYT (talk) 01:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@LooneyTraceYT: It's not entirely clear what you're saying, but you should not be reverting something solely on the basis that it does not have an edit summary. Unless there is something wrong with the edit itself, leave it alone, and instead leave a message on the editor's talk page encouraging them to use edit summaries. RudolfRed (talk) 01:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

source

 Den Socling (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Den Socling: Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 04:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Den Socling: In regards to your (now reverted) edit at wood drying, we want reliable sources for your claims. This means if you introduce a sentence resembling: A vacuum kiln can dry X amount of wood in Y time., you need to provide a source for it. If it has no source, it may be better left out, because of Wikipedia's policy on no original research. Hope this helps! WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 04:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Notability

Hi, are we able to cite things such as documentaries or videos we find online? For example, are we able to cite something from a BBC documentary? Thanks. Greenflowers04 (talk) 03:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Greenflowers04

@Greenflowers04: Yes, as the BBC is a reliable source. However, remember that you cannot cite online material that violates copyright law. GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, Greenflowers04, if you provide a link in your reference to a video on the official BBC website, then that is fine. But if some random person includes a clip from a BBC video in their own YouTube video, then linking to that is not permitted. They probably don't have permission, and they may possibly have cherrypicked the content, removing context. We should never link to sites that violate copyright or lack rigorous editorial control. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Creation of a new article versus adding as a section

Hello. With respect to the terms of notability, if I am looking to edit an article and the information for a certain section is much larger than the the rest of the information provided, would it make more sense to request that a separate page be created? With the assumption that it met with all aspects of notability but it has direct relations with the subject of the page. Thank you! RSuee (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC) RSuee (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@RSuee: It's hard to answer in general. You might want to ask on the article's talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 04:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Examples I am aware of are Potassium and Potassium in biology, Magnesium and Magnesium in biology, and then for Vitamin C, also Vitamin C deficiency, Vitamin C megadosage and Vitamin C and the common cold. There is sone duplication of content, and there are linkages.

I doubt a request would get anywhere. David notMD (talk) 08:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Question for the teahouse: sources

FYI

 – Converting into heading. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Are there any circumstances under which you can cite an expert on a subject directly if you know them? For example if you have a Professor who's a leading expert on a subject internationally can you cite things they've said in classes and lectures? Or do all sources need to be from peer reviewed works and highly academic publications? Julianloll (talk) 03:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, likely not. Mainly because of no original research, and if it wasn't OR, they need to comply with WP:RS, too. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 04:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Julianloll: The expert may be able to point you to published sources that can be used as references (maybe the class textbook?) GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Julianloll. References used in Wikipedia need to be to published, reliable sources, so comments made in a classroom do not meet that minimum standard. However, if a professor says something in a lecture, it is likely that the same assertion has been published elsewhere, quite possibly in a paper that the professor wrote . Although peer reviewed papers and books published by academic presses or widely respected publishing houses are the gold standard for academic topics, a wider range of sources are accepted for other topics. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Writing a draft article.

I began writing a draft article some time ago and have not completed it. I have no intention of working on it further without help. I am wondering if one can submit a partial draft. Can one ask more experienced editors to help before one publishes? GTBlakeman (talk) 04:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@GTBlakeman: Presuming you are referring to User:GTBlakeman/Eternal justice, you could add some WikiProject templates to the talk page (maybe some of the templates at Talk:Arthur Schopenhauer?) and ask for assistance at the WikiProject talk pages. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a notes section to organize citations made within an article?

If I want to add a reference list to the bottom of my article, how do I compile my citations into a neat section? On other articles, it says that it was generated with the use of a template. MTSpencer79 (talk) 05:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC) MTSpencer79 (talk) 05:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. By "citations", I assume that you mean numbered references; if I'm wrong, please correct me. The template is Template:Reflist. Its use is simple: under the subheader "==References==" (without the quotation marks), you add "{{Reflist}}" (again without the quotation marks). This will cause your numbered references to appear there. -- Hoary (talk) 05:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

References

How do I properly cite a source on wikipedia. We used the subjects website and reached out to her promotion team for a lot of information. We also gathered information from social media and online interviews. How do we cite that? Her official website is www.tariajaybre.com Tjmills1 (talk) 07:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: You have created a Declined draft at Draft:TariaJaybre` with no references. David notMD (talk) 08:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I am guessing that you know Taria personally, as a lot of the draft content is about her personal life, not her musical career. All that has to be deleted unless it can be referenced, and you need to describe the nature of your connection (relative?) on your User page. References need to be to published stuff about her. Stuff from her website, her promotional team, interviews are considered primary sources, and thus do not contribute to her being notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word.

Given first album not released yet, this is definitely WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 08:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tjmills1 and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid citations from the "subjects website", "her promotion team", "social media and online interviews" are completely useless to Wikipedia. You need to find "significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" per the links provided to you on your talk page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tjmills1. It may help to realise that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . --ColinFine (talk) 13:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Doubt on a template

Actually, what is the use of dmy dates template? I clearly don't understand what is the use of it. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 08:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ken Tony Peter. The linked page explains it. I could quote it but I guess you read it. Do you have a more specific question about it? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

How to be an administrator?

May I know what is the terms to be an administrator? Laney145 (talk) 08:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 Laney145 (talk) 08:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Laney145, thank you for your interest in Wikipedia. One can become an admin by applying successfully at the requests for adminship. However, one needs to garner a very large amount of experience and show excellent knowledge of policy and generally good behaviour on Wikipedia, and as a result it is very difficult to make a successful request. Typically, applicants are expected to have been members for several years and have tens of thousands of edits, and demonstrate that they have full knowledge of policies and lack a track record of incivility or controversies. Since you are a new editor, I would rather advise you to make yourself familiar with Wikipedia's policy and guidelines, and start making minor improvements to articles to garner experience. Hope this helps! JavaHurricane 09:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Laney145: Administrator candidates go through a rigorous process known as an WP:RFA to become administrators; there's one right now that you can check out and see what it's like. It is very, very hard to become an administrator. You must have significant (read: years) of contributions and a solid track record of good decision making, plus a good reason to need to tools that come with the administrator role. Keep in mind that you really don't need to be an administrator to do most things on Wikipedia, and I've heard from them that being an administrator is a very tough job. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Laney145 I would add that being an administrator just means that you have some buttons or tools that would be irresponsible for everyone to possess(such as deleting articles). Administrators have no more authority than any other editor. You can do probably 95% of things here without having the administrator tools. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

As 331dot says, it's just a few extra tools. It's kind of like how in a large building, only a very few people would have access to the janitor's closet, which is why you'll often see an image of a mop to indicate who is an administrator. So Laney145, I'm curious, what specifically is it that you were hoping to do? Odds are there is a way to get involved in whatever area you're interested in without admin tools. --Paul ❬talk❭ 09:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism report

The page Sushant Singh Rajput of Wikipedia has been vandalised. (incorrect death cause).
Cokeah (talk) 08:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Cokeah, the cause of death (suicide) is consistent with the information given by reliable secondary sources. I am well aware of the controversy, and while several conspiracy theories exist, the official version flatly states that he committed suicide. Unless new reports in reliable secondary sources change the cause of death to something else, we can't (and won't) change it, as Wikipedia reports what reliable, secondary sources states. See also WP:TRUTH. JavaHurricane 08:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

See also Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput#FAQ — READ THIS FIRST if you are requesting changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Note that the talk page is presently semi-protected specifically to curb the conspiracy-mongering. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 19:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

What is the most decent and respectful way to get indefinitely blocked?

--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael An interesting question. Are you looking to get indefinitely blocked? 331dot (talk) 09:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Yes. I won't return here. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to read that, Jeromi Mikhael. WP:SELFBLOCK might be one option, if you're sure you want to be blocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael (ec) You don't need to be blocked to stop coming here. Most people who wish to not return simply stop using their account. You may also request a courtesy vanishing. If you truly feel that a block is necessary to keep you away, you may contact one of the administrators listed at Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to consider placing self-requested blocks. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

GFJAOFJOSWJF JWAOJDCWSM ALDJKSOFJ=FP-SWKD. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Image change

Hi, please could you let me know when an image change is needed in a wikipedia template. MasterD.D. Patel (talk) 10:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MasterD.D. Patel, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your question makes no sense to me: most templates do not contain images, and for those that do, there's no particular reason why they need to get changed. Please clarify your question - it may also help understanding if you specify which template you are referring to. --ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, MasterD.D. Patel. I believe you're talking about an infobox, as you recently updated the picture for John Williams' infobox – from a picture taken in 2007 to one taken in 2009 – which was then reverted. If you're wondering what conditions the image should be changed under, it would usually go as follows: an editor decides to change the image. If it gets reverted, as yours did, then it can be discussed at the article's talk page to get a consensus on whether or not to change the image. This is known as the Bold, revert, discuss cycle. I hope this helped and that I've understood your question correctly. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 13:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Index

I am going to create a Wikipedia page but don't know how to create the content area https://prnt.sc/103mo5s Where all content index is shown in a box. Please help me ButlerJan (talk) 10:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

ButlerJan, I assume this is about User:ButlerJan/sandbox. Once it has at least four properly-formatted section headers, a contents box will appear automatically. Currently there are only two. Maproom (talk) 11:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I created section titles, but this is still an utter mess. The attempt to create an infobox failed. Hyperlinks are not allowed. References need to be embedded in the body of the article, and not just as 'naked' htmls. There is so much else wrong that I give up. Maybe others will be moved to give direction. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

​ Hi ButlerJan. I have deleted the page under CSD G11, as unambiguous advertising. Please note that the page contained copyright violations – content copied from Truya's websites both word-for-word as well as too closely paraphrased to the original. We cannot host copyrighted material, and even if it was rendered usable, it would be unsuitable for use here, as blatantly promotional content.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Dead Links

What are the best practices for including an official website in an infobox or under the external links section when the subject's official website is no longer active and the only available links are archived? Also, what if there is an article for a specific project done by a person with a website that no longer contains information related to the project? For instance, someone who released a podcast for a number of years and included information on their website at the time, but now the podcast is no longer active and isn't included on the website. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: If the websites are archived, you can use {{webarchive}} with the most recent archived version. GoingBatty (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

What now?

I have just recently become extended confirmed. I am also currently being trained for the CVU. Now that i am extended confirmed, What else is their to do? Starman2377 (talk) 13:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Starman2377, It gives you the right to edit articles that are extended-confirmed protected to counter vandalism. See WP:XC for more details. Panini^🥪 14:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Appears you have made the leap into article editing. Great. So many articles need help. A minor comment - I suggest not bothering to Welcome IP accounts (numbered) to Wikipedia, as so many are just a person deciding to make one edit (sometimes vandalism!) and then never return. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Will I be notified about autoconfirmation?

I recently made my tenth edit here, and got a notification about it. Since I don't use Tor or anything else to hide my IP address, and I created by account about 2 years ago, I should be autoconfirmed now. When do autoconfirmed privileges take effect, and will I get a notice somewhere about this? KirbyDude25 (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi KirbyDude25. You won't get a notification that you're WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, but you can check for yourself by going to Special:UserRights and searching your user name. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly. I checked, and it says "implicit member of autoconfirmed." I assume that it means that I meet all of the requirements for autoconfirmed. Thanks for your help! KirbyDude25 (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@KirbyDude25: Yes. You should also be able to see it at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Recently improved a draft article that is within a redirect page. How to get it in article namespace?

Okay, I'm sorry if the title sounded weird, I'm not too familiar with terminologies here. But I recently added several information and improvements to Draft:Twice3 which is within a redirect page of "Twice3" (category:Redirects with possibilities). How do I get other editors to consider it for inclusion into article namespace? JTan1017 (talk) 15:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@JTan1017: There are two possible solutions:

1. You submit the draft to WP:AFC by placing {{subst:submit}} (as it appears when viewing this page here) to it. This variant is much slower (due to review backlog), but it is more likely that reasons why someone might send this to WP:AFD are found before it gets promoted to article. In this case, the reviewer will take care of the move for you
2. Or you request a move for technical reasons. This proccess is faster, but will still take some time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Is it okay to copy and paste text from a different language Wikipedia and put in the same page on the English Wikipedia? (of course the text is translated and fixed)

Would it be okay to copy text from a different language Wikipedia and translate it like i did here? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Janusz_P%C4%99cherz&diff=prev&oldid=1008295843 Thank you Starman2377 (talk) 16:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC) Starman2377 (talk) 16:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Starman2377: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. In general, yes, provided that you attribute its source. You should also take care that you copy the source code over, so that references are retained. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add required attribution yourself, like described in Help:Translation, or give an URL to the source so we can do it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Starman2377. In addition to what the others posted above, you should understand that each Wikipedia project is separate from the others and that each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines. Since English Wikipedia is the project with the most articles and the most editors, other language Wikipedia projects often follow in its footsteps and establish policies and guidelines that are quite similar; however, some project's don't enforce these policies and guidelines as rigorously as English Wikipedia. So, just because an article exists on another Wikipedia, that doesn't automatically mean it's OK to exist on English Wikipedia (and vice versa) as explained in WP:OTHERLANGS and in paragraph 4 of WP:OTHERSTUFF. You may still be asked to establish how the subject meets Wikipedia:Notability by other editors and any translated article you creat can be nominated or tagged for deletion if another editor doesn't feel it meets English Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Such a thing could happen regardless of how long it's been an article on the other language Wikipedia or whether it's nominated or tagged for deletion on the other language Wikipedia. As for the actual translating itself, you should probably avoid machine translations as explained in WP:MACHINETRANSLATION. While the quality of machine translations have improved greatly over the years, it's still better to avoid such a thing. If you're competent enough in both English and the original source language, then perhaps it's best to simply use the sources cited in the other language and either translate the article yourself or write the article from scratch in English. If you're not confident in your ability to do either, then perhaps you can find someone who can and who would mind helping you do such a thing at Wikipedia:Translators available. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hello,i was wondering why when i was trying to add some userboxes to my page, some of them worked while others did not? Can anyone explain why some of them would not work? Thank you in advance. Ilovecats0519 Ilovecats0519 (User) (talk) 16:42, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Ilovecats0519 Fixed. I removed the nowiki David notMD (talk) 16:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

ok thank you David notMd Ilovecats0519 Ilovecats0519 (User) (Talk) 17:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

What do I do if most of the information I need for the Wikipedia page I'm editing is a primary source?

Hello! I am an intern at the Air Conditioning Contractors of America. This month, I've been given the task to update our Wikipedia page as it does not hold much information about the association, and would like to expand for anyone who would like to look us up. After failed attempts, I now understand that the sources I've used are from our website which prevents me from creating the page. Although, if the information can only be found at our website, how should I move forward? For example, we want to list out current members (companies) would it not be okay to use our website? I am confused on what is allowed or not, or what is considered promotional or not, and would really love some insight on this as I am a little lost! (I am also aware that since I am a paid intern, I may be considered a conflict of interest but I've followed instructions and have included that information on my profile)

Thank you! Wingelcaburian (talk) 17:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Wingelcaburian, and welcome to the Teahouse. If most of the information you need is in a primary source, (and, Air Conditioning Contractors of America has no independent sources already) then the subject is almost certainly not notable, and you should not waste any more time on trying to work on an article which is going to get deleted. You are doing the equivalent of building an extension on a house which was built in the first place without having checked whether the ground it was on was solid or not. Remember that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I would add that the appropriate place for the ACCA to speak about itself is its own website, not Wikipedia. Any article about the ACCA is not "their page", but a Wikipedia article about them. Feel free to show your superiors these messages. 331dot (talk) 17:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Under unintended consequences, ACCA is now nominated for deletion. See Air Conditioning Contractors of America. Only potential to save it is find and use as references valid secondary sources. However, as you are in paid situation, the place for creating references is on the talk page of the article. If refs found, you can also leave a comment at the AfD that you have found valid refs and proposed that those be added to the article. David notMD (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Inquiry on proper 'title' parameter usage for the citation of websites

Hello! While browsing random articles on wikipedia, I found Summer storage tank, of which the first citation was titled 'Insert Title Here'. Clicking on the website, this is indeed the title of the page due to the <title> tag in the <head> element.

However, there is an element named 'IRRIGATION PROFILE OF CHITTOOR DISTRICT'. Would it be appropriate to replace the title to that, or should it stay as 'Insert Title Here'? I checked Help:Citation_Style_1#Titles_and_chapters and Template:Cite_web#Title, but these did not answer my question, unless I missed something. PascalCase (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi PascalCase, welcome to the Teahouse. We have some citation tools which automatically fetch the title from a page. That was probably used here. I don't think an editor would have written that title. Poor html titles like this should be changed. The url isn't responding for me but if it displays 'IRRIGATION PROFILE OF CHITTOOR DISTRICT' then 'Irrigation Profile of Chittoor District' would be suitable. We don't use all caps. PrimeHunter (talk)

Thank you for your assistance and clarification! I have done so using sentence case as other cited sources on the same page do so as well, and Help:Citation_Style_1#Titles_and_chapters says its best to stay consistant. PascalCase (talk) 18:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@PascalCase: I trimmed the references a little. Someone could also add the |trans-title= to reference #3. GoingBatty (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

List of youngest birth fathers

List of youngest birth fathers have wrong wikilinks. Please check and remove. Thanks in advance! --2001:B07:6442:8903:F938:6B9A:863C:E8FA (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Please be more specific. I didn't find any obvious errors. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by wrong wikilinks? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe the Teahouse is a place to ask for people to do things for you. βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 19:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

If you can, be bold and fix the wikilinks. If you don't know how, you can post a request on the article's talk page - Talk:List of youngest birth fathers - so a knowledgeable editor can assist you. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

A general question

added a section title David notMD (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

How are you editing today? PhampH102 (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Is a Wikipedia Lock a thing?

I paid for a Wikipedia submission to a 3rd party business, and the company are now saying that I need to pay £1000 for them to get a "Wikipedia lock" as they are claiming competitors are rejecting the page.

They said the money goes to Wikipedia. They have said if I seek a refund for the original cost they will lock the page so no one else can add to the page. Can they do this? MatthewLawson.ribble (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

This is a scam. What they mean by "lock" might be something like edit locks, but these do not "prevent" a page from being rejected. Established editors will still review and nominate the article for deletion. Do not pay the money. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝)

Seconding what WhoAteMyButter says, this is entirely false/fraudulent. Even apart from those threats, paid editing like this is generally frowned upon and I would discourage you from trying to use any of these types of services in the future. If you want help creating an article, please start at Help:Your first article or the WP:Article wizard. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Note: user is being helped on Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help, and has said they will be contacting the address listed at WP:SCAM. Perryprog (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Animated programs broadcast by MeTV

Does anyone think that the links in List of programs broadcast by MeTV#Animated is reliable? If so, I will leave it alone, But not, I will edit them for you guys. LooneyTraceYT (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

LooneyTraceYT Welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to discuss this and air your reservations is on the article talk page where interested and knowledgeable editors will see it.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

But what if two notability guidelines fight?

Greetings,

so I have a specific question about notability (well who doesn't, 80% of questions here are about notability ^^). I've recently started to meddle a bit in merge discussions, and have now dipped into deletion discussions. But I'm curious about how exactly the arguments should be made there. Because in these two examples Jitender Mehra & R. W. Chandrasiri the nominator referred to WP:GNG which makes sense to me. But both are cricketers, so they seem to fall under WP:CRIN as well. Can a deletion occur because they fail GNG, but pass CRIN? This ofc applies to any situation where there's a specific guideline that supplements the GNG. Which one takes precedent (I assume the supplement)? Or do we just use common sense (our own judgement) in the end?

But maybe I am misunderstanding the discussion there and they fail both GNG and CRIN, in which case the decision is obvious. -- LordPeterII (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: See point (1) at Wikipedia:Notability. Either the GNG or the subject-specific guideline can be used. If the person passes CRIN, then that person is presumed notable. RudolfRed (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi LordPeterII there is a tension I see between the SSNGs and the GNG, that is not well clarified in guideline or policy that your post calls to. (I personally believe we should get rid of all the SSNGs—entirely—partly grounded on issues implicated by your question, but that's a much longer post.)

Anyway, they provide (are supposed to but not all properly clarify) presumptions of notability—'X is presumed to be a notable topic → because Y status → usually means the necessary sources from which notability actually depends (on which an article with verifiable content could be written, beyond a stub) → are likely to exist for topics with that status.'

All presumptions are by definition rebuttable. Accordingly, if one does a hard dive into a topic's sourcing, such that it can be said with some degree of certitude that suitable sourcing actually doesn't exist (despite falling within some SSNG criterion), deletion is still warranted.

That's my take on the manner the SSNGs must ultimately interface with the GNG as a logical necessity, in the larger context of what we mean by notability and its pragmatic gatekeeper function of keeping out indiscriminate topics that can never be built into proper articles that meet our core content inclusion policies. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

AfD Fiber Patch Placement

Dear Wikipedia Master Minds, please help me to understand, why my attempts to optimize the "FPP" article are completely ignored. I really tried my best to align it with your regulatories. Thank you in advance for your answers and help. Antiquatuss (talk) 21:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Antiquatuss, I have an addin that identifies predatory journals. The second and fifth references in Draft:Fiber_Patch_Placement are identified as potentially a predatory Journal. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Midnite Special Appearance RE: Dianne Steinberg

I appeared on the Midnite Special in 1977/'78 to promote my album Universal Child for ABC Records. I had just begun filming in the role of "LUCY (in the Sky) in the RSO/Universal Movie "SGT PEPPERS LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND" w Peter Frampton and the BeeGees.

The day my band and I arrived to film, the Dazz Band was recording their segment. It may help to note the band members: Steve Lukather/Guitar/pre-Toto, Kenny Lee Lewis/bass/pre-Steve Miller Band, William 'Smitty' Smith on 2nd Keys, Mike Baird/drums, David Pomeranz/Songwriter/BG vocals, & and Trish Smith/BG vocals. Two Questions: How can I attain a copy of my performance? And how can I be added to the lists of Artists posted here?

Dianne Steinberg (AKA Diane Steinberg Lewis 71.84.25.43 (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dianne! I don't know how you would obtain a copy of the performance. If you would like to be added to List of guests appearing on The Midnight Special, I suggest you post on the article's talk page - Talk:List of guests appearing on The Midnight Special - using the {{request edit}} template, and provide a published reliable source if possible. GoingBatty (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Can Morgan Edge be added in the category of fictional american jews in comics

 Jack1578 (talk) 22:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 192.121.129.189 (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: You asked the same question a few days ago - see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1096#Can_Morgan_Edge_be_added_in_the_category_of_fictional_american_jews. for the answers you received then. GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 192.121.129.189 (talk) 22:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Significant proposed changes to the Susan Wagle page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Wagle

edit source] In 2018, Wagle cosponsored legislation with Kansas Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley that worked to bring more transparency to state contracts. Senate Bill 394 required lobbyist registration for anyone attempting to influence officials in state agencies or the executive branch over a state contract. Prior to the enactment of this legislation, lobbying efforts were only required to be disclosed if such efforts were directed toward the legislative branch. Wagle stated the need for this legislation arose due to a lack of transparency within the administration of Republican former Governor Sam Brownback.

Government Accountability[edit I love Kansas (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 192.121.129.189 (talk) 23:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)