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The result was delete the list. There has been some dissent that a category would be too hard to define; this discussion, if someone wants to follow it through, should take place in the appropriate venue, which isn't AfD.
Noting the large amount of support in turning this listed into a category, I will be happy to restore this article temporarily in userspace for any user (in good standing, ie. who will not simply move it back to mainspace) who wishes to go through the list and add an appropriate category. Please contact me on my user talk page, linking to this discussion, or if I'm busy to any other administrator (and point to this comment). This is especially directed at TonyTheTiger (who noted below a request to do this); please ask when you're absolutely ready to categorise it immediately, to avoid a deleted article hanging around in userspace forever. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 10:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- List of diss songs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
I feel it may have been too soon for another AfD (the first one was at the end of February), but the article was recently prod'ed and while I don't care much either way about the topic, I didn't think a prod was the way to go. I'm Neutral on this discussion. JuJube 00:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- SkierRMH 04:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- SkierRMH 04:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The topic is a bit broad; possibly better suited as a category than a list.--TBCΦtalk? 00:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Questionable value to me, so I'll be neutral on that. It should definitely be a category instead of a list, however. Autocracy 01:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I have no idea how this passed a first AfD. There is no established criteria, no sourcing, no commentary, no explanation. It is, franky, a random list of songs. Indiscriminate, unmaintainable, undefined. Resolute 01:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Dizzlete per Resolute. I'm opposed to TBC's solution as there are no objective criteria for what falls into this category. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Should Category:Diss songs—created last year by User:Rebelduder69—be CFD'd then? Personally I'm not sure, as I don't know much about the subject.--TBCΦtalk? 01:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There's no criteria and any criteria given would be subjective. AniMate 02:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - and replace with a category. - Richard Cavell 02:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete I actually think there is value in such a list. And given one of the first pieces of info one would want about a diss song is "who was dissed?", I can see why it would be helpful to have it as a list rather than a category. But I don't see a way around the issues of sourcing and objective criteria. Mwelch 02:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, weak delete. There is so much information on the page detailing numerous songs that I can't simply say "get rid of it." Of course there's no ignoring the fact that it violates policy.--NPswimdude500 01:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and make into a category. Natalie 02:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and turn into a category. CattleGirl talk | sign! 06:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 06:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per comments above. This is original research, and cannot be maintained. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 07:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The definition/explanation at Diss song does not appear to be WP:Attributable to a reliable external source. As such, there is no reliable inclusion criteria for this list. The content is unscourced and unverified, and at this point in time, I do not see how many (if any) of the entries in the list can be sourced. -- saberwyn 09:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I would be willing to support a deletion of the category and/or the Diss song article if either was brought up, for the above reasoning. -- saberwyn 09:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per above, make into a category. - Denny 09:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and make into a category. Ganfon 17:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as not notable. --Mhking 17:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The number of items on the list attests to the importance of such songs to modern culture. I think the list should exist somewhere. It would be a bear to source and maintain, but there are published sources that refer to these things, and sometimes interviews with artists or the lyrics themselves. I'm not volunteering, but I'd hate to see this completely deleted.--Parsleyjones 18:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as I said last time, this list is too arbitrary in scope and the entries are unsourced.-- danntm T C 20:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Don't quite think it should be made into a category, because, as the article, many entries are unsourced and some songs could be diss songs without implying that openly, or vice-versa. Either way, the article definitely doesn't belong here. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 21:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Listify There is a lot of great information in this article. It should be saved in some format. Please listify if deleted. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, this user has been canvassing to users who have contributed to this article. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply my postings were neutral (your voice is needed does not indicate in support or object preference), bipartisan (all registered users who have contributed to the article), and limited (in the hundreds and hundreds of WP:AFDs I have been involved in over the past several months I have never before informed more than 1 or 2 interested parties). It passes as a friendly notice and not canvassing. Please see instructions below regarding closure of this debate. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Exclusively targeting those who have contributed to the article and therefore may have a stake in it does not strike me as being bipartisan. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What does he mean by "listify"? Isn't it already a list? JuJube 01:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep. There are several more diss songs out nowadays, and we need a reliable source for the list. I think it is too notable. Besides, I thought Wikipedia is not paper. Tom Danson 00:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per WP:NOT. M.G. In Da Hizzhouse 01:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Where to begin . . . Not encyclopedic, fails WP:V, WP:NOR and possibly WP:NPOV, for starters. No list, no category, no shizzle my nizzle -- just delete. --Butseriouslyfolks 04:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, also agree this fails Verifiability, Reliable sources, and No original research - and much of this unsourced material could be potentially libelous as well. Cricket02 04:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, Better suited as a category. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 07:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; I agree with TBC and ʍαμ$ʏ5043, this is better suited as a category. fhb3 10:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete While I attempted to add sources I feel the list in not manageable. There exists far too many songs and not enough verifiable sources for them. A category should be made to better contain "the list." A category however will obviously be missing much valuable information. The who portion will be lost. --RapPhenom 13:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. Useless fancruft in my opinion. RobJ1981 13:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If this list is deleted either move it to a subpage of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject hip hop or userfy it to a subpage of my user page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not to diss the authors here but it doesn't even attempt to pass inclusion criteria - unsourced, unverifiable, original research. Arkyan 16:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above, fails {{WP:V]], WP:OR, and so on and so forth. Wikipedia isn't wastepaper, either. RGTraynor 18:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The list is too long. There are too many diss songs to make them into a list
- Keep, just needs sourcing. There are plenty of articles about hiphop which would mention who is dissing who in which song, so I don't see whats unverifiable about it. The current version is original research (although not any more than any article on TV episodes; it is just listening to the songs and saying who gets dissed) but it just needs cleanup, not deletion. Not a suitable topic for a category, as it needs sourcing which categories don't allow for. Recury 14:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Man, that was tough. I had to, like, type stuff into google to find sources for anything. Recury 14:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- STRONG KEEP I am not really a pro wikipedia editer but I often referr to this list for projects or for personal references. In all honesty, all that would be gained by deleting this page is a sense of "organization". It is really not worth deleting this. BTW my profile is OOORBJOO —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.193.193.12 (talk) 06:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete or make into a category HeckXX 23:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Closing per WP:DPR as the nominator has decided to withdrawn the AfD.--TBCΦtalk? 22:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Cronos (Robot) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
WITHDRAW AFD Given the emerging consensus here, I will be WP:BOLD and start merging and redirecting the articles together. The new page can be seen here List of minor Robot Wars contestants (UK) (in progress) EliminatorJR Talk 17:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Last year, an AfD tried to delete a number of articles about individual robots from the UK series of Robot Wars. Result was No Consensus, as it was thought some had notability (i.e. winners of series). Another AfD was suggested with a smaller batch of more obviously less notable robots. Today, many more articles have been created by a new user; these articles are often unsourced, have no context, or need rewriting. Some are about robots which fought one single bout and lost, never to be seen again. I would've thought using the 'reality show contestant' theory, these are therefore non-notable. This is a small batch to begin with, more (there are a lot) will be nominated if this AfD decides on deletion. (Or alternatively, if the decision is Redirect I will redirect all the non-notable ones in one go).
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- Rick (Robot) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- IG-88 (Robot) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Dome (Robot) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
EliminatorJR Talk 00:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect all to Robot Wars.--TBCΦtalk? 00:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge/Redirect all per above. The one sentince descriptions of each robot works better in the main article. Resolute 01:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge/Redirect all except for IG-88 (robot), as there's already a robot with that name to whom that real estate better applies. Either delete IG-88 (Robot) or point it at IG-88 with a brief mention -- MAYBE and only with a source -- of the Robot Wars bot. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Which brings up another point - there are no dab page entries for a lot of these articles either. EliminatorJR Talk 01:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge/Redirect Per all above. Ganfon 17:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (o rly?) 21:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not assert any criteria for notability per WP:MUSIC. He appears to only have one album and there is no reference to any songs charting or references for significant media coverage or national tours. Nv8200p talk 20:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 09:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nick—Contact/Contribs 00:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:ATT, as there are no sources to verify notability. Nor was there anything relevant found when searching Google News, allmusic, MP3.com or even Amazon.com.--TBCΦtalk? 00:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP Why would you delete an article like this. The more factual articles on Wikipedia, the better. This is actually a relatively long article. What would anybody accomplish by deleting it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.126.170.194 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 11 Mar 2007 (UTC)
- WP:ILIKEIT, Wikipedia is not for truth or fact but for verifiability, don't spam AFD. --Iamunknown 04:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I can barely find anything on this performer - definitely not verifiable. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 07:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete. I'm not sure what search engines eveyone is using, here are the 27000+ returns on artist name and style, 80000+ returns on just name and an Amazon page on the artist. However, I have no idea if any are reliable sources. If someone does add some sources before the end of the AfD i will reconsider. Nuttah68 15:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's strange. Kurtis seems to show up on Amazon UK but not on Amazon.com.--TBCΦtalk? 22:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no assertion of notability. --Mus Musculus 18:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep. The guy's music is on Rhapsody, E-music and iTunes, and I don't suppose it's hugely unusual that a Macedonian folk singer isn't getting NY Times reviews. Let's not go completely US-centric here. RGTraynor 18:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted as non-notable organization. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Mark Twain Productions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
No sources, this group appears to be a high school club that makes films. I suggest that we delete it unless cited, verifiable content can be added. Right now, I can't tell the jokes from the real content - they list Chuck Norris as a cast member, for example. GTBacchus(talk) 00:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete I've watched the links to their Youtube content. As far as WP:N, you've simply got to be kidding me. Autocracy 01:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete. Wikipedia is not for film clubs made up in high school one day.--TBCΦtalk? 01:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Chuck Norris as a cast member was IP user vandalism just before the AfD was posted Autocracy 01:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete per above. —dima/s-ko/ 01:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, obviously. If the article is really bad but on a valid topic, we don't delete it we just remove the crud. User:Reywas92 has volunteered to clean it up. Although I participated in the debate, consensus is as clear as day here and there's no point keeping the debate open any longer. Any further comments should be addressed at improving the article, on Talk:23 (numerology) kingboyk 23:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 23 (numerology) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Horribly unreferenced pseudoscience, a similar list of occurrences could probably just as easily be tied to any other number. The WP:LEAD is rambling and speculative, however removing the problem parts would leave it meaningless. Previous attempts to solve the issues with this have either been ineffective or were little more than sweeping it under the carpet (e.g. forking it from 23 (number)). In summary, with the OR and V issues, not to mention the use of weasel terms, this article is now beyond help. Chris cheese whine 01:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Anyone that may be considering "Keep and cleanup" recommendations shoud check the article and talk history, also read this. It has been to cleanup already, to no avail. Chris cheese whine 01:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Notable number in numerology which has been referenced in numerous literary works (the writings of William Burroughs and Robert Anton Wilson, for a start), not to mention inspiring a major film only a few weeks ago. The article needs to be expanded and sources added, etc., but I feel the topic is notable enough to be kept. Content issues can be addressed at the article level. PS I have read the above noted and have discounted it. That's still a content issue, and not an issue as to whether this article has a place in Wikipedia. I say it does. All the note above did was make me change my opinion from "keep" to "strong keep". 23skidoo 01:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So, you are in effect saying "I don't believe this article is in a fit state, but we should keep it anyway"? Chris cheese whine 01:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In general, yes, the rule is, even if an article is in abysmally poor condition, if there's something of merit to the subject, it's better to keep and improve it. Now it might be worthwhile to blank it in this case, but I don't know that I see a problem with the edit history being kept. Something like libel or copyvio would be grounds for deletion, but I don't know that that's true. FrozenPurpleCube 05:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So, you are in effect saying "I don't believe this article is in a fit state, but we should keep it anyway"? Chris cheese whine 01:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Remove all the useless trivia from both the 23 (numerology) and 23 (number) articles, then merge the two together.--TBCΦtalk? 01:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep But I would suggest in-line citations for this to keep out original research. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but continue to clean with a firehose. I took out the pop culture references that didn't make explicit reference to the numerological significance of 23 and encourage others to plug away at directly sourcing unsourced content remaining in the article. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I believe, as I stated on the talk page, that the occurances on 23 (number) and this (including some good which has been deleted and is in history) should be merged onto this article with major trimming of unimportant occurances. Reywas92Talk 02:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I will accept your argument on the strict condition that you agree to personally take up the task of verifying that every single prospective entry is a specific reference to the "enigma", and not merely coincidence (per WP:NOT#IINFO). Chris cheese whine 02:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I find this a rather interesting topic and I will take this up. Reywas92Talk 16:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - They've made two movies about this number, so it's clearly notable. It doesn't matter if an article is hard to keep clean, and thinking an article should be kept implies no responsibility beyond truly believing an article should be kept. - Peregrine Fisher 05:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep No article about a reasonable subject is beyond help. Since this subject has received some attention, it needs to be covered. I wouldn't mind merging it somewhere, but this seems like a content dispute, not a reason to delete. Lots of articles on Wikipedia are difficult to write, some attract the attention of some less than reasonable folks. It's the nature of Wikipedia, which will not be written in a day. FrozenPurpleCube 05:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The article may be poor, but the subject is not. It can be verified. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 07:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Sourceable, notable enough. - Denny 09:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The number 23 is notable due to it's presence in movies, several secret societies and other notable areas. It may well be a pseudoscience as mentioned, but this does not mean it isn't notable. Poeloq 11:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It might not be a great article but it's a valid topic. Somebody speedy close this please? --kingboyk 16:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I agree that the article is garbage, and sympathize with the plea of the nominator, but frustration over cleaning up an article is not a reason to delete it. At the very least, it can be turned into a stub with whatever information can be verified, and then started over. --Mus Musculus 18:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per discussion. All hail Eris. =^_^= --Dennisthe2 18:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedied as obvious hoax. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tried prod, it was removed. Unfortunately it doesn't meet any CSD requirements as notability is claimed, etc and obvious hoaxes don't meet CSD requirements. 1) The Stig in 2002 has previously been revealed as Perry McCarthy. 2) A world class 13 year old race driver would be easily verifiable. As I can't find anything to verify this [1]. 3) The article was started by User:Picker34, probably just some kid making a joke. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as an obvious hoax. A 17-year old, Olympic classed racing driver who survived a crash that "broke his pelvis in two"? You've got to be kidding me. --TBCΦtalk? 01:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. The only David Picker that comes up in a Google search for "David Picker racing" is a reporter for the New York Times. Stebbins 01:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as an obvious hoax. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete joke/hoax. Resolute 01:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to Kill Switch...Klick. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-16 12:36Z
- Go-Kustom Films (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This article was created by the owner of the Go-Kustom Films. Notability is not established and sources are not provided. No Opinion at this time. --Daniel J. Leivick 01:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC) •[reply]
- Merge to Kill Switch...Klick. The band might be notable, but this is certaintly not.--TBCΦtalk? 01:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no assertion of notability.
The relationship to Kill Switch is for Go-Kustom Records. This person's film project has no relationship at all with Kill Switch.Resolute 01:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Go-Kustom Films does have a relationship with the band, as it was created by the members of Kill Switch...Klick.--TBCΦtalk? 01:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ahh. I would have thought that the creator would have mentioned this in the article, as it is the closest thing there is to notability. Still not enough though. Resolute 02:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Go-Kustom Films does have a relationship with the band, as it was created by the members of Kill Switch...Klick.--TBCΦtalk? 01:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Resolute, WP:COI, and WP:SPAM. Stebbins 03:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- Doesn't seem to be notable. ~~Eugene2x Sign here ☺ ~~ 04:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Sorry, but a scholarly search turns up no evidence of notability. --Mus Musculus 18:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Kill Switch...Klick per agreement with TBC.--JUDE talk 09:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Google search returns 62 unique of about 124 total, many Wikipedia mirrors or blogs. Non-notable. MikeWazowski 07:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was - Speedy deleted by me as a near-verbatim copy of a webpage that asserts copyright. - Richard Cavell 02:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Andreas Teuber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This page has copyright violation issues which need to be addressed if the page is to survive (see talk page for further discussion). There are also questions as to whether this individual is sufficiently notable. Because the latter question is potentially nuanced, I am moving it from speedy deletion to AfD for community review. I take no stance on the issue. Closing admin: please make sure that copyvio issues are fully dealt with if the article is to be kept; right now it's in a sort of copyright twilight zone with permission from the orginal author but no explicit GFDL release from the original source material. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete per G12, a copyvio of Teuber's home page. There's a chance that User:Teuber might be Andreas Teuber, but as of now there's no way for us to confirm that. --TBCΦtalk? 02:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedied as nn-bio. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- David 'Rat' Pitsock (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This article is entirely unreferenced, and concerns an apparently non-notable person. John254 01:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - It is unfortunate that an article like this must be AFD'd because someone removes the speedy.. Article unreferenced, zero notability. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 01:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't. JDoorjam JDiscourse 01:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete both. Majorly (o rly?) 21:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Metropolitan Yeshiva High School League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
These organizations seem rather non notable. AniMate 01:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC) I am also nominating Metropolitan Yeshiva High School Hockey League as it is part of this non notable organization. AniMate 02:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Metropolitan Yeshiva High School Hockey League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Speedydeleteper CSD A7, as the article does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.Seems someone has expanded the article. Even so, there are still no sources or references to verify the notability of the league.--TBCΦtalk? 01:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Speedy Delete per TBC. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete both per above. MER-C 02:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- weak keep both because the author should be given time to find sources. And nobody notified the author. There are enough Yeshivas in NYC that there might very well be a notable league, so the nom should perhaps have checked first. If still unsourced in 5 days, then delete.DGG 05:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I know Google hits aren't the only yardstick we measure notability by, but I found a total of 18 hits for Metropolitan Yeshiva High School League and a total of 1,740 hits when adding in the Hockey League. AniMate 06:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And I've notified all three people who have contributed to the articles. AniMate 06:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Regular Slow Delete. I declined CSD, notability is asserted. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 07:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 07:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete. - Denny 09:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Normal Delete - I live in Houston, Texas, so I don't know anything about this place. I just rewrote the page in a better style. Nickelodeon Rocks, the original writer of this page, has unofficially left Wikipedia, and hasn't made an edit for a week or two now. Anyway, this page is confusing & hard to follow, and contains some POVs. It seems in bad shape enough to delete. — JuWiki (Talk <> Resources) 14:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; not notable. --Mhking 17:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep because this is notable and connected with other articles in Category:Jewish day schools and Category:Modern Orthodox Judaism and it fits into Category:High school sports associations in the United States with Catholic High School Athletic Association a sub-category of Category:High school sports in the United States with New York Catholic High School Athletic Association. No offense, but just because non-Jews have not heard of these things does not make it "non-notable." IZAK 21:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per IZAK - there seems to be a precedent for secondary school leagues having articles here. I would like to see a list of involved schools in the article so a sense of scope and context exists. --Mus Musculus 03:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per IZAK and precedent regarding schools. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 08:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Mus Musculus is incorrect. The precedent is, in fact, for articles on the umbrella organizations for high school athletics within an entire state, and I am all for winnowing out those articles for smaller, splinter subgroups; I'm quite comfy with giving the CHSAA the heaveho too. That aside, no offense, IZAK, but just because something is known to a small percentage of Jews (sorry, that's a "small percentage of Jews interested in high school sports and living in the metro NYC area") doesn't make it "notable." The notability standards, as far as I understand them, have little to do with Judaism. RGTraynor 18:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Are there off-line sources that someone familiar with the topic could reference in the article? --Shirahadasha 20:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per RGtraynor. JoshuaZ 17:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep MYHSL, Merge/Redirect Hockey league to MYHSL. Size, scope and nature of league makes it notable. Article needs to be expanded to include history and other relevant information. Alansohn 06:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- delete Non-trivial mention of the the league in the press somewhere, in an article that establishes its importance to people outside the geographic area, should establish notability. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 13:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nuke. DS 21:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After some serious searching, I can't find anything about this person. He wrote books but I can't find any reference to them. He was a PHD in nuclear engineering but I can't find any papers written by him. He is alleged to have committed suicide in 1973 as a result of Three Mile Island accident but that didn't occur until 1979. Article was written by anonymous author. I suggest hoax or some sort of error. Glendoremus 02:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a hoax. Only 8 hits on Google, none appear relevant. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a possible hoax.--TBCΦtalk? 02:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Either a hoax or non-notable. Date discrepancy suggests the former. WjBscribe 03:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- Possible hoax, since I can't really find anything on Google which says he's a nuclear physicist. ~~Eugene2x Sign here ☺ ~~ 04:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, definite hoax. Certainly he was not a famous nuclear physicist, assuming he even existed. The only hits for his name on Google News Archive and Google Books refer to obviously different people. -- Dhartung | Talk 05:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:N, WP:V and WP:A AlfPhotoman 15:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Lexicon (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- List of communists (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Delete We already have categories that are more suited to listing things like this. There is not a single cited source. The page is just begging to be vandalised (see the edit by User:66.131.228.205, "huh huh let's list our teacher"). AlistairMcMillan 02:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Because I wasn't clear before, there is already a category to cover this Category:Communists. AlistairMcMillan 08:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, subject of the list is too broad.--TBCΦtalk? 02:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Way too broad, open to POV problems as well. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. And while you're at it, delete List of anarchists, List of Trotskyists, List of left communists, and especially List of socialists and its subpages. This is why we have categories. Stebbins 03:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, lists are preferable for controversial attributions, as they can be sourced in the article and because of the value of redlinks. There is increasing pressure to remove all categories that refer to political affiliation, and that leaves us with nothing at all to organize articles. -- Dhartung | Talk 05:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting. Can you provide evidence for this? Stebbins 13:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_28#Category:Ideological_publications, for one. -- Dhartung | Talk 17:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for elaborating. However, I believe that the definitions of political affiliations such as "liberal" and "conservative" are far more vague -- or at least far more controversial -- than the definitions of ideologies such as "communist", "anarchist", &c. Also, the arguments made against political categories (they are controversial/POV) can be applied equally as well to political lists. If we have to choose between keeping a list or keeping a category, I think that a category is the better choice. Stebbins 00:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_28#Category:Ideological_publications, for one. -- Dhartung | Talk 17:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting. Can you provide evidence for this? Stebbins 13:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and probably turn into a category. M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 06:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Already a very well developed category: Category:Communists. AlistairMcMillan 08:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; along with the other lists of the type of people of the day categories, this should be made into a category. --Mhking 18:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, better served by a category. --Dennisthe2 18:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for Dhartung's excellent points. Noroton 00:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I agree with Dhartung - a list lends itself much better to potentially controversial inclusions. A category is by no means the same as a list, nor can it serve the same purpose. --Mus Musculus 03:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Having a category is not a reason to delete a list, both are useful. The category has no context, making it difficult to find the person your looking for. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and Stebbins. Someone show me a definition of "communist" that will pass consensus, then show me how it applies to everyone on that list. These lists gather names like piers gather barnacles. RGTraynor 18:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, unmaintainable list with unqualified inclusion criteria AlfPhotoman 12:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete. This "article" is an excellent example of why I gave up on the Wikipedia project months ago. How is this supposed to be useful? It is redundant to the category. Certainly, one could claim that the list could include information which a category could not convey--but it isn't being used like that, so it makes no difference. This is just more pointless listcruft. People like to contribute to these lists because doing so requires very little time or effort, but I have yet to see evidence that people actually find such lists useful. And, really, how useful can a list where Brecht and Brezhnev are lumped together possibly be? Heather 18:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unmaintainable AND superfluoous. --Pan Gerwazy 16:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Deleted (A7) by Swatjester (Peripitus (Talk) 10:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Non-notable entery. Fails WP:WEB Cman 02:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No sources to verifiy notability. Nor was anything relevant found after searching through Google News, IGN, or Gamespot. --TBCΦtalk? 03:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Possibly nominate Google Earth Hacks (the website which originally hosted this webgame) for deletion as well.--TBCΦtalk? 03:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete - no assertion of notability. So tagged. MER-C 03:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per all of the above. Stebbins 03:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails sources. Wickethewok 06:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete. CSD A7. kingboyk 23:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The Hippie Jihad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
I could find no mention of this band in any reliable internet sources (only ~120 Google hits). According to the article itself, they were formed only last year and are only performing around Knoxville, Tennessee. It therefore seems highly doubtful that they meet WP:MUSIC. Stebbins 03:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Clear failure of WP:BAND. WjBscribe 03:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:MUSIC. Nothing relevant found on Google News, Amazon.com, MP3.com, or allmusic.--TBCΦtalk? 03:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP Just because a band isn't that popular yet doesn't mean you should delete their article. I read the article. It is actually a good and long article. What would anybody accomplish by deleting it? What is the point? The more factual articles on Wikipedia, the better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.170.194 (talk • contribs)
- Delete It's not difficult to write good, long articles about non-notable people or things that someone would like or think was interesting. That's not sufficient criteria. Mwelch 07:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Nowhere near enough outside info to be verifiable. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 07:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable. If they ever become notable, then a page can be made on them. Wikipedia shouldn't have an article for everything that might be famous later; see WP:Crystal. The article isn't even long or well written, as 24.126.170.194 implies. - Pious7 17:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (o rly?) 21:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Mambo (swahili) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
del Non-english dicdef. Although I am inclined to believe it is a hoax (you know mambo/jambo, mumbo-jumbo...) Shall we have articles about words in all languages of the world? Guten Tag, Konnichi wa, Privetik, Witam panstwo, Zdravstvuyte, Zdorovenki buly, Labas rytas, Terve, Bon giorno, Buna ziua,.... `'mikka 03:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--TBCΦtalk? 03:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Dicdef and can't see how the article could ever amount to more. WjBscribe 03:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep This article is more than a simple dictionary definition (in fact the word, as do many greetings Ciao Whassup? seems to have different meanings depending on context, perfect for an encyclopedia article. The article makes references to pop culture and to another wikipedia article on a similar Swahili greeting Jambo. It could use more information to make it similar to other articles in Category:Greetings, but it is a nice start and should not be deleted. Scarykitty 06:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is English langauge encyclopedia. Not to say your argument "different meanings depending on context" is exactly what dictionaries for. `'mikka 21:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep As far as I can tell this article is truthful. As to what to do with it, Jambo appears to be an incorrect usage be non Swahilli speakers in situations where Mambo should be used. So it appears we have a number of options, we can keep both, redirect Jambo to Mambo and explain the incorrect usage or redirect Mambo to Jambo as the more widely known in English even if it is incorrect. Personally, I defer to anyone who understands Swahilli to suggest the most suitable option. Nuttah68 15:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia is English-language encyclopedia, not a dictionary or textbook of Swahili language. `'mikka 21:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Truthful ≠ encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a Swahili dictionary.--TBCΦtalk? 21:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for dab purposes. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you clarify how it would be used for disambiguation purposes? This could affect my (as yet ungiven) vote. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 23:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is dictionary content, no more. The only source is a dictionary. A disambig page can link to wiktionary - there is not reason to make an article out of it. --Mus Musculus 03:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment See Category:Greetings. Ciao, What's up, Ave - Latin, Shalom aleichem - Hebrew, Sat Sri Akaal - Hindi. Maybe this article's not "quite there" yet, but given the number of foreign language greetings that HAVE evolved into nice articles. Scarykitty 07:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC
- Know nothing about Sat Sri Akaal, but ciao and shalom are quite frequently encountered in English speech (and in other languages, btw, like German, Polish of Russian), which qualifies them for English wikipedia. `'mikka 19:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment See Category:Greetings. Ciao, What's up, Ave - Latin, Shalom aleichem - Hebrew, Sat Sri Akaal - Hindi. Maybe this article's not "quite there" yet, but given the number of foreign language greetings that HAVE evolved into nice articles. Scarykitty 07:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC
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- Delete - this is exactly a dictionary definition -- Whpq 17:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Quite possibly (though I'm awaiting proof of the same) this word has a rich melange of meanings in Swahili, and on the Swahili Wikipedia it might have a place. If the word had an article on the Swahili Wikipedia, which it doesn't. I see no reason why this dicdef should have one here instead. RGTraynor 19:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, agree, this is for a dictionary, not an encyclopedia.--Aldux 16:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per mikka's comment Captain panda In vino veritas 02:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy keep ~ trialsanderrors 03:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Non notable. Notability insufficient.Rainbowwarrior1976 03:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC) — Rainbowwarrior1976 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep (almost speedily) - passes WP:WEB. No valid reason for deletion. MER-C 03:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep. Looking through the nominator's contributions (especially his comments about Essjay, who was coincidentally hired by Wikia), this article seems to have been nominated in bad faith.--TBCΦtalk? 03:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep. Notability is obvious. Stebbins 03:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep. Bad faith nom by single purpose account. Clearly notable. WjBscribe 03:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep Very notable, with connections to this website. Passes WP:WEB Retiono Virginian 14:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Gnangarra 01:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Advertising by Westpac (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Nothing notable about the advertising campaign of a bank MrMonroe 03:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; very few advertising campaigns have the notability to warrant inclusion in WP --Mhking 03:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Westpac. Not notable enough to merit a seperate article.--TBCΦtalk? 03:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by author of article about nomination If you check out MrMonroe's edit history, you'll notice that it is dominated by only a few articles. In fact, he's only made edits to do with Andrew Bolt for the past month, apart from this nomination. I suspect it is not coincidence that he's nominated an article by someone who has disagreed with him about the Andrew Bolt article. Andjam 03:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Comment Please assume good faith when encountering possible bad faith. Also, please avoid "biting" newcomers.--TBCΦtalk? 03:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment MrMonroe is not a newbie, and his interactions with others (eg this) suggest that I'm not jumping to conclusions about bad faith. Andjam 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're making a fallacious ad hominem argument here. Even if what you say is true, the AfD nomination is valid. Stebbins 03:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm making a valid ad hominem argument. But I've seperated the issue of whether the article should be deleted from whether the AfD was done in good faith. Andjam 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]- You shouldn't be making any ad hominem argument. Concentrate on the issue at hand (ie the notability of the article) and not on the past disputes of the nominator. --TBCΦtalk? 04:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please assume good faith when encountering possible bad faith. Also, please avoid "biting" newcomers.--TBCΦtalk? 03:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment by author of article about the article It was written while I was working on Australia at the Winter Olympics, which is a featured article. Andjam 03:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You can't claim notability vicariously. Stebbins 03:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was more of a note than a vote, but why can't I claim notability vicariously? Andjam 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because one article is notable does not mean that all related articles are notable. The featured status of Australia at the Winter Olympics is irrelevant to this AfD discussion.Stebbins 04:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It was more of a note than a vote, but why can't I claim notability vicariously? Andjam 04:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You can't claim notability vicariously. Stebbins 03:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Makes no claim to notability. If it did, I may be tempted to vote for a merge, per TBC. Stebbins 03:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete--cj | talk 04:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Response from nominee: Andjam is suffering a serious case of paranoia. I nominated the article for deletion because of the reasons I mentioned above. I encountered it only as a tail-end reference on the Westpac page. I had no idea who created it and I didn't examine its history. If Andjam says I have disagreed with him/her at the Andrew Bolt page, I'll accept that without bothering to look. I certainly don't pursue pages created by Wiki users with whom I've had differences of opinion with the aim of having them deleted. Regardless, my nomination for deletion of this article stands for the reasons I gave. MrMonroe 04:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Canley 04:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, the possible shady motivations of the nominator aside, this summary of a whole bunch of non-notable advertising campaigns is itself, not notable. Lankiveil 06:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete as adcruft. There really isn't anything useful or encyclopaedic on this page. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 07:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete ...maelgwntalk 12:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I feel that the "how did they do it?" ad campaign was one of the most notable Olympics-related advertising in Australia to do with the 2000 Olympics (and 2002). However, I don't have any sources to back up this claim. And maybe even if it is true, it isn't enough to establish notability. Andjam 13:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Which is exactly why it's up for deletion. Might want to find an article to merge it to, or stick it in your userspace someplace. --Dennisthe2 18:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting, but not really that notable - and "interesting" isn't a valid reason to keep, otherwise we'd have an article on OCTA's route 1 bus, because it's numbered thusly for the highway it runs on. But I ramble. Delete. --Dennisthe2 18:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- not encyclopedic. - Longhair\talk 21:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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