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Our mutual friend

Have a look at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility, disruptive editing, and stalking-like behavior from Isarig. What do you think? Abu ali 20:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheer up!

I just categorized Helen Thomas as an Arab-American journalist, so now there's five. Majoreditor 03:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back

If you want a laugh have a look at Talk:Racism by country where User:Halaqah has tried for months to get a tiny section on Israeli racism added and whose efforts have been deleted time and again. The length to which some editors are prepared to go, the extent to which they are prepared to sacrifice their own credibility by raising increasingly outlandish arguments in order to try to remove anything remotely critical of Israel, has to be seen to be believed. Just don't waste your time getting involved in this argument. Your talents are best used elsewhere. Abu ali 15:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

to say that, in Akko, Israelis killed 80 Palestinians for no apparent reason and kidnapped and killed Palestinian children is also just 'remotely critical' of Israel?

Is that an improvement? (Third Way (Palestine))

Is your de-fact deletion of Third Way (Palestine) An improvement? methinks not. Some description, even unsourced, is better than none, which would make it a stub! Samfreed 19:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

You have been invited to join the WikiProject Africa, a collaborative effort focused on improving Wikipedia's coverage of Africa. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Belovedfreak 20:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It's you that deserves a branstar my dear Huldra

I might have beat you to writing that article, but you beat me to the awarding of a barnstar. I too have long admired your edits, your sensible way of dealing with insensibility, your tireless efforts to improve content, layout, everything about Wikipedia. And so I award you:

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		for your substantive contributions to building this encyclopedia and the sensitivity and finesse you display in all your interactions with the community Tiamut 15:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Tiamut 15:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Humor is good and very much needed around here. People (myself being one of the foremost examples :) can take ourselves too seriously sometimes. While you might be old enough to be my mother, you are way cooler than most around here (which doesn't surprise me - my mom and most moms I know are very cool). I hope to be as cool as mom and grandmother in the years to come. No kids yet, but I sure am looking forward to it. Tiamut 19:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow Huldra. You couldn't be any more wonderful. It's great to have you around here too and thanks so much for doing that redirect. I know I've typed those words in before looking for the article that wasn't there. It feels good to have it now. Almost like we gave them some of the presence that was absent. ;) You know the funny thing about misery, is that it can breed humor. People in the refugee camps taught me that laughing at the absurdity of it all is a useful survival tactic. Not that seriousness isn't often called for, but dark humor can be the handmaiden of the oppressed. Best regards and see you around soon. Tiamut 00:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Present absentees

By the way, do you think Internally Displaced Palestinians should be renamed Present Absentees? Either way, they should definitely be linked to the same place. Do you know how to do that? Tiamut 23:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hafrada

Hi Huldra. I created an article entitled Separation policy (Israel). Then I realized that there is a similar article already entitled Hafrada. I think it should be merged and asked another editor who's working on Hafrada for their opinion. Could you check it out too? I'd appreciate your feedback. Thanks. Tiamut 00:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

That's a great idea. I'll do that now. I think I'll shift everything into the Hafrada article and remove the Wiktionary tag and redirect the page I created to Hafrada and then everything should be very cool. Cool. Thanks. I'll chat later but I can't believe that last comment you made. Really. What the hell is going on? Tiamut 01:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow! I spent my time between suppressing a smile and a cry and shaking my head. Thank god for people like Punkmorten and Alf. They remind me that I'm not crazy to care about these things. 690 reasons and so many more and counting. And of course I will pass on your love to the kittens (and mom Ayyar) who will get their first greetings from Scandnavia. What a cosmopolitan bunch they will turn out to be. :) Tiamut 02:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Al-Ghabisiyya

Hi Huldra, The large paragraph at Al-Ghabisiyya has 3 quotation marks. Can you fix it please? I have some more sources on this that I'd like to add, so I need to know what is quoted and what isn't. Thanks. --Zero^talk 05:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a lot of work on it. Please put in the Benvenisti page numbers I have omitted. I own that book but I lent it to someone. Cheers, Zero^talk 09:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you

Thank you for your help with blocking the ongoing harassment. As you can see, someone doesn't like my edits to Israel- and Palestine-related articles, sand is attacking me both on Wikipedia and in the nasty little weblog they have set up. The vandal clearly has a filthy mind and an anal obsession, and their smears say far more about them than about me. But it is a wearying task to walk around after them with a cloth and bucket. By my count, there have so far been nearly 150 different user IDs used in this smear campaign, and over 130 articles have been defaced; but Wikipedia seems unable to put a stop to this. I hope that, as a result of yoiur supportive intervention, you will not find yourself a target of this petty-minded campaign by people who clearly have no sensible political arguments to offer. RolandR 17:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again

I've been away at a union conference, with only limited access to Wikipedia. On my return, I saw that you had reverted several of User:Jaakobou's silly and senseless edits to my Talk page. Thank you. He has accused you of vandalism for these reverts -- and has even accused me of vandalising my own talk page! It seems that he interprets every editorial disagreement with his own point of view as an act of vandalism

I would be very happy if you would join me for a nice cup of tea and a civilised conversation.

RolandR 00:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Rashidi

The problem is in the {{ArTranslit}} & {{lang-ar}} tags they put a paragraph break in the line, which results in the numbering restarting. These tags are being changed, so maybe we should change them on the article too. To view all tags used in the article look at the bottom of the edit page. --DelftUser 09:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Numbering them manually has one problem and that is style, we won't get the same nice style. Also numbering in HTML should always be done with the <ol></ol> tag (good HTML rule). --DelftUser 09:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Lamu Islands map

Sorry for the delay, I'm on it. --CommKing 19:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's the draft. It lacks some information and only covers one of the islands, but I just want to know what else needs to be added to this particular island, if the style is okay, etc. I need to know the amount of detail and labeling the map requires. Since I have never even traveled outside of North America, I presume you would know more about the island than I do. Any pointers would be appreciated. --CommKing 23:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
File:Lamu-map-draft.svg

Jaakobou

You may be interested in this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaakobou RolandR 10:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yom Kippur War

I think that it is time for you to enter in small discussion which I have started about this war. From our working experiance in 6 day war you will like it ! Rjecina 16:01, 16 April 2007 (CET)

This problem is solved. Now I want that on page of 1947 UN Partition Plan to be writen that population of Israel in this plan has been 50 % Jews and 50 Arabs. Now this is writen different because Beduin are not people (they are not in population table but there is only after that comment about them) ? All in all I am not against Israel but against propaganda myth and there is great number of them about this stateRjecina 21:58, 22 April 2007 (CET)

How are you?

Hey Huldra. In an attempt to rectify some of the blatant and systematic bias noted on your user page, I offer the following.

WikiProject Palestine is looking for editors to help build and maintain comprehensive, informative, balanced articles related to Palestine on Wikipedia. Start by adding your name to the list of members at WikiProject Palestine. Ahlan wa Sahlan! Welcome!

Hope to see you there. And I hope you are doing well. Tiamut 10:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

I'm so glad to see you around again. Thanks for noticing the work I did at Palestinian costumes, but I never would have thought of doing it had you not started the article to begin with. You should also check out Palestinian people, where they are now a number of link in the culture section to other such pages.

Thanks also for the book recommendation. I will try to get a copy when I am in North America again since I'm pretty sure it won't be available in Nazareth.

About the ducks ... yes, that seems like a likely outcome, but I'm still hoping for a braver outcome.

Looking forward to seeing you around again. Tiamat 10:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

We have one library in Nazareth run by a local cultural institution called Beit il-Katib (House of the Writers). There are no publicly funded government libraries in Nazareth. This one I know is very small, but has books in Arabic and English, and lends them out to free to whoever knows that they exist. I know they would appreciate any donations. I'll get you the address (the streets here have popular names like Father of so-and-so or valley of the son of so-and-so that the people use, but the government has assigned numbers only to the streets so I will have to ask them for the exact address. We often joke here that the "streets have no names".) Thanks very much for the offer. And thanks too for the links to cultural resources. So nice to have you back! Tiamat 11:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, no library and a request for an Arabic language university has met with decades of government resistance. There still isn't one yet, even though Arabic is an "official language". I will get you the address for that place soon and send it to via email. I'm sure they'd be thrilled for books in any state. So would I. Library pickings here are slim. Tiamat 12:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for those links. I will try to work on Ein Hod some more clearly reflects the complex history of the place. It is fascinating. The list of things to do never ends. :) Tiamat 13:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Huldra. I got you the address for the local library run by Beit il Katib. If you still want to send those books, they are interested. It is: Beit il Katib PO Box 271 Nazareth 16101 Thanks again for the kind offer. Hope you are doing well. By the way, check out Tawfiq Canaan. It's my first WP:DYK article and I'm quite proud of it, though as always, would love any feedback on how to make it better. Tiamat 13:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Help!!! Template:Lamu Archipelago

Sure. It sounds like you're trying to design a navigational template - are you looking for something that sits along the side of the page, like {{Deletiondebates}}, or something that sits at the bottom and is probably collapsable like {{Members of the European Union (EU)}}? I can look for the appropriate coding for each of those while I wait for your reply. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not a problem, you didn't do anything that's not easy enough to remove. I'll have a finished product to you in about an hour or so, at the most. Just so you know, since most of the villages don't have separate articles (yet), I'll put them in the template, but I won't make them links. I'll make it obvious that if someone wants to read about that village, they can go to the main article that includes it. If they get articles later, or you really feel the section links are necessary, you can add them in fairly easily. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

How does this look? {{Lamu Archipelago}} Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to delete the redirect, I don't think - you should be able to move the page there as it is. I'll set the title back anyway.

I'll re-arrange the pages as you ask. The code's not really all that complex, it's just a glorified table.

I'll try to add the map below the title. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Always glad to be of service. :-) If I may ask, though... why did you come to me for this? I don't think I've really met you before during the course of my editing. (And if I have, I do apologize, my memory for people is a bit on the horrible side.) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I wondered if that was it - the funny thing is, I just changed that from {{User t|3|c}} to {{User t|4|c}} less than 10 hours before you called! Good to see that template does serve some purpose. :-) Should I need a translation, I will certainly keep you in mind. Likewise, I'm usually available for templates, as well as copyediting for those poor spellers among us. Good night, and happy editing as always. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I see you are hard at work

I miss the note about Reem Riyashi. I tried to find alternate spellings for her name before I started, but I guess I missed that one. Anyway, it was basically the same material, though the language was a little weird (e.g. "the woman" to refer to the subject of the article?!?) Anyway, thanks for remembering the library and for your encouraging words. As we say in Arabic, Salamat (peace!) Tiamut 16:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the compliment on Tawfiq Canaan and the heads up as to the references problem. It seems that when you "cite journal" instead of "cite web", you use "journal=X" instead of "publisher=X" for the journal's name. I guess this is because the name of the journal and the publisher can sometimes be different. Did I tell you by the way that it's wonderful having you back? Well, it is. :) Tiamut 20:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

		Thanks...
	Thank you for showing your support for me in my recent RfA. Unfortunately, I was unable to earn the required consensus and did not succeed. I do hope to put in another request in a few months, once I have improved upon the concerns addressed by the rest of the participants. Your expressed trust in me will definitely help me reach that goal. Thank you again, and happy editing! Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Your block

Sorry, Tariqabjotu, but I do not understand the reasoning behind your block of Tiamut. If you want to block everybody who has edit warred on ME issues, then I am afraid 90% of the regular editors there would be blocked. I really cannot see that Tiamut has done anything to merit this block: she has had 11 edits to Arab diaspora during three days; not a highly unusual amount; and you block her 5 days for edit-warring? I simply do not understand it. (Also: I know that at least one of her previous blocks was quite dubious and contested ..and now you are using this old contested block against her?)

However, do not in any way question your block of Egyegy; besides the 3RR-issue, I think the level of incivility by him/her is rather more than anybody should have to put up with. Like: "Your messages are almost as ridiculous as your editwarring."[1], or leving messages with edit-lines: "your nonsense"[2]...or lots of the messages s/he has left on talk page of Arabs: not really acceptable, IMO. Anyway; I hope you will review your block of Tiamut, say, if you could lift the block under the condition that she did not edit the Arab diaspora-article during the time Egyegy is blocked? Thank you for your attention, Regards, Huldra 02:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not unblocking her, but I will extend Egyegy's block due to the incivility and personal attacks which Tiamut did not appear to be engaging in. As I told Tiamut via e-mail, she should post an unblock request if she wants a chance to be unblocked (as I see nothing wrong with the block). -- tariqabjotu 03:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Jezreel

i thought it was a fair edit, but the citation needs some refinement so people can find the article's notes on the ref. please fix it up a tad and use the reference <ref></ref>tag. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

perhaps add the chapter number? Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 12:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

thank you for all the cooperation. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ein Hod

It appears that it is being vandalised by an IP out of Israel (nslookup and traceroute say so...). You should report it at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, but not before sending the IP a warning first.

Cheers and good luck! pedro gonnet - talk - 30.11.2007 14:22

List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada

Hi Huldra! How are you doing? So nice to see you around again. I left a note for an admin to wikilink Asher Weissgan and fix a spelling mistake at the article so that we don't have to wait for the protection to expire. I've also tried to engage some of the editors at the other page List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada so as to come to some kind of agreement before the articles are unprotected to avoid renewed edit-warring, but no one seems to be interested in discussion. It's both funny (and sad) how wiki world imitates the real world. See you around my dear. Tiamut 13:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

Hey, that is why I am the Timeshifter. :) Thanks for the links. I bookmarked them. There are many more examples on WP:ANI. I am using only the unarguable ones concerning Wikipedia in hopes that objective people from all sides see the systemic bias. --Timeshifter 13:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Ein Hod

I see you just restored the blanked material again. I filed a report with the anti-vandalism crew. I hope that puts an end to it. Tiamut 15:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Boy, are they ever fast! Temporary block for the fellow may cool things down a bit. Regards my friend. Tiamut 15:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked your contribs and noticed the report. I'm surprised it was declined however, since you right in pointing out that it's more than one IP. Here's hoping anyhow. And thanks to you for alerting me to the problem. Tiamut 15:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Cinema of Palestine

Just to let you know I've create a footer template to go at the foot of pages on Pal. films, actors and directors etc. PLease use {{CinemaofPalestine}}. The Palestinianfilmlist template is intended for the list of films only. This is the template:

Please do as much for Palestinian cinema as you can and start articles on List of Palestinian films. Thank ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 20:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Palestinian costumes

I think you deserve a great deal of credit for that article. I would not have thought of creating it, so any work I did subsequent would not have happened without your intiative. I think it's great that people are plagiarising it. :) Good work Huldra! Tiamut 17:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Artas segment deletion

I deleted the sentence because it is already stated as a Palestinian village in the lead of the article and I added the Pal muni infobox. The part where it says shows up in the news in connection with the conflict is very general and could be added to any article on a Palestinian locality.

P.S. thanks for the suggestion. I'm personally a big fan of Aburish; I've read his biographies on Yasser Arafat (which I used to expand and verify that article) and on Gamal Abdel Nasser. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Aburish book

Sorry I haven't been able to obtain the Children of Bethany book; my friend is on a cruise until Monday. If you have the book, edit away. Perhaps I'll visit the bookstore tomorrow. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I added some cultural aspects of eating mansaf from excerpts of the book on google books.com. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

1948 Palestinian exodus

Hi Huldra,
could you re-read the lead of this article ;-) Ceedjee (talk) 10:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

User conduct

Hi Huldra. thanks for the question. I'm not going to look into this myself right now. But if the person isn't responsive to Talk inquiries, you could bump it up to WQA. Or, if it's adding disruption within the topic area as covered by the new discretionary sanctions, you could provide diffs and raise the question (calmly, I would recommend) to WP:AE to request an assessment by an uninvolved admin. Thanks. HG | Talk 17:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

It's your call. I think if you come in reasonably, noting that we're all still learning about how we might benefit from the new sanctions, nobody at AE would mind giving it due consideration. HG | Talk 17:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but have you read *any* of the sources??:

I should ask you much the same. Better yet: have you actually done any research, or do you take biased "sources" and racists as truth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1948remembered (talk • contribs) 17:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

To quote NSH001 here: "Not surprisingly, this user has now been blocked indefinitely, and even had his talk and user pages protected for a week (a heavier penalty than I would have requested)" ..after the whole of 42 edits. Huldra (talk) 07:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

1948 Remembered

Unfortunately, the user wasn't willing to cooperate... a shame, I was hoping he'd be willing to talk. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 18:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Huldra. Geez I miss chatting with you! Anyway, I'm off to bed now but thought I would let you know about this, in case you wanted to add your own thoughts. [3]. Tiamut^talk 01:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine history

Salaam Huldra! I have a bit of a favor to ask you and its about the Palestinian cuisine article. I really want to nominate it for GA status but the only thing blocking this from happening (other than some MoS problems) is the tiny history section. I got some info from an internet source but I need a book. Anyhow, if you have any thing on Palestinian/Syrian/Bedouin culinary history, please add to the section. In the meantime, I'll be working on MoS and I'll see whatelse I can find on history and I'll also ask Tiamut and WikiProject Palestine for help too. Ma' as-Salaame. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

In Fair Palestine

Thank you i never knew you could do that, this is really good, but how do I get the other article deleted or taken off wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jo Alem (talk • contribs) 15:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers, really helpful. anyways I want In Fair Palestine to redirect to In Fair Palestine: a story of Romeo and Juliet (movie), so how can i do that?

Images

• Hi, if you know any specific images you want cropped or uploaded, leave me a message any time! Funkynusayri (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ramleh, late 19th century.

• Here's the Bonfils image, I wasn't sure about how much to crop of the bottom, because it seems like it is ruins, which is interesting in itself, and cropping more of the bottom would make the image even more rectangular, and maybe hard to watch... Just notify me if you want changes! Funkynusayri (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

.: RFA thanks :.

Thanks for the constructive criticism! My RfA passed with a final tally of 5 neutrals, 1 oppose and 148 supports, a turnout I couldn't have dreamed of. I'm going to do everything I can to help out the community, help with sysop tasks, and of course, contribute to the encyclopedia. If you ever need a hand with something, feel free to give a shout! Cheers! Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 18:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

And I'm sorry about the whole 1948remembered issue; however, I always like to make one last attempt to get a user to reform before blocking. I felt that he was just confused with the whole content dispute and acting irrationally because of it; I thought that maybe if we calmly explained it to him he would realize this and cooperate. Unfortunately, he didn't. Anyway, I just felt I should explain this. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 18:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian archaeology

It's new and I'm kind of proud of it and want to share. Let me know what you think. Tiamut^talk 14:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Dearest Huldra.

I was quite sure that I could count on you to provide some new tidbits for me to chew on and you've gone on proven me right again! :) Thank you for the sources and your edit summary hit the nail on the head it seems. I would love to add some of Nadia Abu El Haj's critique to the Archaeology of Israel article, but I've got my hands full right now with this one. I'll make sure to carefully review your leads and make of them what can be made. Thanks again. Tiamut^talk 15:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow! If you keep them coming at this rate, I'll have put together a magnum opus in no time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Take a look at the new section. It's a valuable addition since it will also allow for a discussion of the challenges faced by archaeologists in practicing in the field, something that came up in other sources already linked (though I didn't knwo where to place it). Great stuff! Tiamut^talk 16:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Now I have to download Adobe Acrobat to keep up with you! Thanks again Huldra. I've opened an RfC at the article to get some feedback since Canadian Monkey (talk · contribs) and I have reached a stalemate. Hopefully, it will be solved soon, so that I can nominate the article for a DYK. I haven't been able to get one in before the 5-day time limit for some time because of similar obstacles in the past. Oh well. Tiamut^talk 16:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Geez Louise! You're amazing Huldra. Thank you. I will remove that sentence and try to summarize it as a more general criticism since it is an anonymous source. Have a great evening. Tiamut^talk 18:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass for Palestinian costumes!

Hey there just wanted to congratulate you for your unlimited effort in editing Palestinian costumes, it quickly passed the its Good article review. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Huldra

Thanks for the lilies. I placed them at the top of my talk page and changed my message to something more hopeful. It is spring after all and the mourning of the dead can also be a celebration - speaking of which, you should check out my newest addition Thursday of the Dead. Do let me know what you think and it's good to see you back again, my sweet and thoughtful wiki-friend. Tiamut^talk 09:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Marhaba Huldra, glad to see you're back editing. I wanted to inform you that I tried to find more history for the Palestinian cuisine article but all I managed to get was some little bits. So I went ahead and nominated it for GA and it passed, the reviewer undertood the limits of the history section but said it was vital for a future FAC. Anyway its nice to see your contributions on the watchlist again, Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Heather Mills

Thanks. It might be hard to remove it from the other page entirely, given that the claim has indeed been made, but it should probably be rewritten and sourced to a less sensational newspaper. I'll take a look around tomorrow. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 08:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice work

Thank you for finding that picture of Nabulsi soap stacks! I wanted to have a visual for it but had no idea where to begin looking for one without copyright. It would be nice to have a more recent one, but I can't find free content. Anyway, great work. Good to see you around again. Tiamut^talk 17:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the image of the taboon oven to the Palestinian cuisine article and finding that major typo. Do you know where we can get a painting or picture of Palestinians eating in the traditional way? Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The picture is not ideal but it would work. Just need someone photoshop-savvy to crop it and clean it up a bit. Does Funkynusayri know how to this? And thank you for looking for history sources and your additions on the use of the taboon oven. I'll do the same. This Week in Palestine has provided me with what I have so far, so I'll probably just try to extract more. Cheers and Salaam! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll send him a message now. Again, thanks for all the help! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion on this

Greetings, there is a discussion about project tagging on the WP:Palestine page here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a vote now on your narrow or wide suggestions. Your vote would be appreciated as we are trying to establish a consensus from the members of both projects. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Glassworks in Hebron

Per your suggestion/request, I've started an article on Hebron glass. Anything you can add to it from your own sources would be great, I'll be expanding it too in the days to come. Hope you are well and enjoying the spring! Tiamut^talk 19:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Marhaba Huldra, I am starting a discussion on this topic at the WP Palestine talk page. I would very much appreciate it if you participated. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions of the Weir material and the creation of Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem. I've created Palestinian handicrafts as an overview article for all of these and a place where information on other crafts can be added until they reach enough material to warrant their spin-out articles as well. Great work! And I'm glad to hear that spring has reached you, even if there is still a chance of snow. It hardly ever snows in Nazareth and people actually celebrate when it does, particularly the kids, by playing outside. Scarcity denotes value said one ecoomist whose name escapes me. Anyway, thanks again my friend. Tiamut^talk 10:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 19 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hebron glass, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cirt (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from Jonathan - EFC :)

Hello Huldra,

Just a short note expressing my thanks for your assistance and contribution up of the early entry for Elizabeth Finn.

I'm working as a freelance historical researher for Elizabeth Finn Care, the grant giving charity which bears her name and legacy. We are celebratng 111 years on May 5th so I thought it pressing to get some sort of entry in place by this time so please excuse my crudity of exposition !

There is a lot to add and a lot to do in getting better material from various archives and sources from england such as PEF so thanks again for your help and I look forward to further dialogue with you in the future.

Take great care of yourself and enjoy a superb weekend -

Best wishes,

Jonathan Werran (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)JonathanJonathan Werran (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Updated thanks - hello Huldra, thanks again for your great assistance in transforming the page into something very wikified, informative and attractive; thanks also for the suggestion on sources - my mission next week is to garner more original sources and to this end I'm paying a visit to the Palestine Exploration Fund in London amongst other places. Will keep you posted! Take great care, keep in touch and enjoy a good week ahead, Jonathan Werran (talk) 11:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Jonathan Werran

Thanks

Hey Huldra, just wanted to give a quick heads up, and thanks for your help over at Gilo. If you have the time, I could really do with another voice of reason over at the centralized discussion on the neighborhoods/settlements question. Please feel free to let me know if theres anything you'd like me to take a look at. Cheers :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colourinthemeaning (talk • contribs) 04:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Deletion

User pages use a subpage structure (see Wikipedia:Subpages). The software only recognizes subpages as pages following a / in certain namespaces. (Which is why things like talk page archives are always /Archive_1, /Archive_2, etc.) Thus, your page wasn't in your user space, but was in fact floating in the user namespace. It has been restored here. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Zeq

That was an interesing post about Zeq, i'd suggest you repost it here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CAMERA_lobbying/Evidence if you want to have an impact on this arbitration. ^{(Hypnosadist)} 08:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Huldra. I was stalking you again (checking your contribs to see what you are doing, since working with you on articles is always both a joyful and productive experience) when I saw your evidence for Arbcomm on Hypnosadist's page. I went ahead and posted it in the evidence section as "Evidence amassed by Huldra and presented by Tiamut". I hope you don't mind my boldness and I hope you are doing well. Warm regards, Tiamut^talk 13:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to pop in on the mother-of-pearl article soon, being pretty busy with other Wiki things. I was helping Al Ameer Son with Nablus which he has pretty nearly managed to get up to GA status. Also made some changes to Palestinian people (largely structural). I would love to get that article up for GA review soon. In real life, I had to give away a bunch of kittens this week and some of my older cats after the house started to suffer real overcrowding problems. Kinda of depressed about that actually, but I'll do my best to get back into gear. See you around soon. Tiamut^talk 11:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

So much for the barnstar, really touching. I'm glad my work is not going unnoticed. You have also been contributing greatly to Palestine-related articles and your editing is greatly appreciated by WP Palestine. Salaam friend! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It might have been courteous to warn me about that

I check links to my page regularly, but I'd prefer to be warned when allegations by forum-shopping Overstock IP puppets are repeated in a serious forum. John Nevard (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for defending the wiki

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Thank you for your efforts in helping to root out an inveterate sock puppeteer at Naked short selling and related articles. Great work! Noroton (talk) 04:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom evidence

I am sending you an email with an explanation of some information. Just wanted to let you know. Risker (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Bayt Jibrin

Mar'haba ya Huldra! I just asked the Good Article WikiProject, what is expected of Bayt Jibrin as far as broadness is concerned and as the article stands right now, it meets that criteria and of course all is referenced (and bonus, most refs cite books!). I recently added a geography and population section to give more background on the village as well. The article needs some copyedditing, maybe some more MoS fixes and a little more organization. Oh an and extra image would be wonderful. I was thinking maybe we could upload that painting of Bayt Jibrin by David Roberts, is it public domain?

Finally, I would like to ask you to nominate the article for GA status. By the time it gets reviewed we would have largely taken care of those minor issues mentioned above. I would nominate it myself, but you started the article and are the main contributor to it and the credit should go to you. It's a great feeling when an article you started becomes a Good Article, I'm sure you remember that from Palestinian costumes. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry I haven't got those books yet, I'll try tomorrow. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the article is on the brink of passing the GAR. There was edit warring between Ashleykennedy and Gilabrand, but both have contributed positively and I think the dispute is over. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks re: Silwan

Thanks for your additions, they add color and a sense that the history of Silwan does not start in 1800. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 02:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Benny Morris

Which edition of Benny Morris have you got? Mines Benny Morris (2004)2nd edition, 3rd printing 2006. Paperback .p. xx 166 Beit Guvrin-Beit Jibrin 1949......xvii 322 Beit Jibrin-M, 29 October 1948...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Bayt Jibrin

Hi Huldra: I think Bayt Jibrin is just about ready for GA status; I'm going to nominate the article for a second review from another editor just because I have had more of a hand in the article than a reviewer probably should. There are only a few additional questions that Al Ameer son thought you might be able to answer such as Talk:Bayt Jibrin#Ottoman Empire history question and what qualified as a "city of excellence" in this quote: "In his descripton of Palestine, the 4th century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus listed Eleutheropolis as one of the five "Cities of Excellence".[16]" Without knowing what a "city of excellence" is, the fact as it stands is sort of arbitrary... Other than that, I think once the lead is cleaned up (it's too long), then the article should be about ready. Thanks for your help. Best, Epicadam (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As for Kamil Pasha, that would be great. I'm sure you agree that it seems a bit strange that the districts apparently have multiple names, etc. I think Al Ameer son is going to take care of the piece about the city of excellence. As for the dresses, Wikipedia is pretty clear that footnotes should only be used for references, not for additional information. While I understand that the embroidery is a unique part of the culture, as each village has its own unique style, I think additional information might be better left to the main article on Palestinian embroidery, perhaps in their own section, and then linked to Bayt Jibrin. If there is so much information about these particular dresses, they might even warrant their own article. I'm not one to remove good information from Wikipedia (the more, the better!) but the article starts to run into "focus" issues when the dresses are so heavily detailed. If there's a way to go into more detail about the dresses while keeping the focus on Bayt Jibrin itself, then by all means do so. Best, Epicadam (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I take it you didn't notice that Gilabrand has removed nearly 30% of Bayt Jibrin?? Try looking for where some of your references have gone....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You'll certainly be greatly missed by all of us and thankfully it's only 2 weeks ;-) I'll be leaving in 11 days, but don't worry in the meantime I'll try to take care of everything and Bayt Jibrin's GAC review is just being delayed because the reviewer has edited the article too much and is not allowed to pass or fail it. I will look up that info in the source you gave me. Have a good trip! Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Greetings Huldra! I used the Finn source for multiple town articles but not Bayt Jibrin (most of it is already mentioned in the article). We've taken care of the stability problem by solving the village name and Jewish settlement issue. Hopefully nothing flares up again. The article is looking good, the project is looking good, nothing in the template has changed since you left (although I don't think Nabil Shaath is worth mentioning). You should nominate Bayt Jibrin again when you come back. I am leaving tomorrow afternoon to Palestine for my own wikibreak (32 days), but I might stop by every once and a while. Good luck editing when you return! Cheers!

P.S. I'll try to get some pictures to post up here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Kawkab al-Hawa

Hi Huldra!

It appears that you created a redirect from Kawkab al-Hawa to Kaukab Abu al-Hija. I tagged it for speedy deletion, because these are not the same thing, Kawkab al-Hawa having been in the eastern lower Galilee, while Kawkab Abu al-Hija is in the western galilee. Please correct me if I got anything wrong. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

That's actually true. I believe al-Hawa was depopulated. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Allegations of apartheid deletion notification

Some time ago, you participated in a deletion discussion concerning Allegations of Israeli apartheid. I thought you might like to know that the parent article, Allegations of apartheid, was recently nominated for deletion. Given that many of the issues that have been raised are essentially the same as those on the article on which you commented earlier, you may have a view on whether Allegations of apartheid should be kept or deleted. If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination). -- ChrisO (talk) 18:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Back from Palestine

Hey Huldra! I just got back, but I only got pictures of az-Zeeb, al-Sumayriyya and al-Bassa. Al-Birwa is totally swallowed up by the town of Ahihud, so pictures there were pointless. I also got pictures of several Wadi Ara villages, Old Acre and Ras an-Naqoura. I really want us to get Bayt Jibrin to GA status and I've contacted the admins board for some assistance on finding a solution to the "Beit Guvrin and Jewish presence problem". I've tried to fix it but it keeps flaring up. Hopefully we'll see some progress on this issue soon. I wish I had went to southern Palestine, maybe next year. Anyhow I'd like to give you a warm welcome back to wiki; we're just missing Tiamut. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I just added the picture to Kafr Kanna and I will add it to Cana as well. Keep on uploading them, there are plenty of articles that need images. I'm trying to find my picture of al-Bassa (I think it may be on my cousin's laptop in Palestine) and I was working on Lubya and it made me totally regret that I didn't visit the eastern Galilee and took pictures of villages such as Lubya, Hittin, Nimrin, Saffuriya, etc. Hopefully next year. I'm also not very familiar with uploading, but I could try. Do you have the Tawfiq Canaan link? (BTW If I can't I'll just ask Funky for help). Last thing: Bayt Jibrin will become a good article; I'll try hard to find a way to solve this annoying problem soon. It's just unfair such a good article isn't a "good article", being hindered by one or two controversial lines. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I uploaded the image to the article (it was a breeze, i think you just lost a letter in the copy and paste) and I saw the title and something hit me! Do you know if Jifna is mentioned in the book? If you look at the Traditions section of the article, I added a legend about Jifna's spring and it was by Tawfiq Canaan. Maybe there is more in the book. By the way thanks for linking Buchardt (I didn't even here of the guy and boy do I feel ignorant :( --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Huldra. Not fully back into gear just yet, though you should check out Yalo which I've posted in the few free moments that I do have. I am more than pleased about the additions to Karimeh Abbud and Tawfiq Canaan among others. When I do have the time again, I will try to get the first to Good article status and try again to get the second considered for featured article status (now that it does have at least two pictures, though I do wish we had a copyright free one of the man himself). Anyway, I just wanted to say hi and thanks and I hope you're enjoying this long, hot summer (from here it is very hot). Cheers. Tiamut^talk 12:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sin Bin

Thanks for the note while I was in the sin bin...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

What have you got on Committee Confronting the Iron Fist? Ive put some bits on my talk page...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Pity, because it ended up as the Geneva Initiative with Ben-Dor et al...but I don't have much on how it evolved.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Good news!

I just got back an email from Umar Illayan (a photographer of Bayt Jibrin) and he (God Bless Him) has allowed the use of two of his photos for the Bayt Jibrin article. I requested from him a couple months ago and he gave me a fruitful reply. here

I already uploaded and added them to the article. One's of ancient Roman ruins and the other a Byzantine church. I really think you should renominate the article for GA. I don't think there'll be any more stability issues. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Well you could take as much time as you want for the GA, at least its stable now. I can't believe I forgot that picture of the monastery because the picture led to me create the article! As for the "Feast of St. Elias", I'll look into it. (So far I've found that it is a Carmelite/Catholic feast in celebration of St. Elias (father of the Carmelites) on Jul. 20. I recently created the Feast of Saint George and nominated it for DYK. Keep your eyes open for any picture of that festival. BTW, I just used one of your pictures of 4 Bethlehem women in the Bethlehem article. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow!

The pictures you uploaded to commons are a veritable treasure trove. Thank god for scanners and for you dear Huldra! Any photos related to Tawfiq Canaan that you can get your hands on would be great too. Thank you so much for those and your earlier contributions and your recent edits to Yalo. I look forward to your wikistalking now and in the future, my dear friend.

Work has been really good actually, it's a film we've been working on, both my husband and I, and at some point I'll let you know which film (though it may have to be in some some off-wiki correspondence since it's not Wikipedia related and saying which one here may give me away). It's been a wonderful experience actually, and while we have a break for a while, we will be getting back to it later on this year. So I'll be in and out of here, but I won't be gone for long this time I hope. Warmest regards, Tiamut^talk 17:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Huldra. Replied on my talk (you can delete this after reading). Take care, HG | Talk 14:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

Alf marhaba Huldra! I added a picture of Bayt Jibrin to its article as well as one of Teqoa to its article. I was wondering if you had any old pictures of Nablus? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the pics! Its very appreciated. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

A pleasure! Huldra (talk) 23:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Beit Nekofa

A tag has been placed on Beit Nekofa requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Nudve (talk) 13:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bayt Jibrin GAN

Huldraaaaaaa! I re-uploaded the image of Bayt Jibrin that you uploaded recently but in a cropped form. See [4]. That being said, there are now five images in the article which is more than sufficient. The article is very stable, and meets the other GA requirements (broadness, references to RSs, citations, MoS, neutrality, prose, etc.). I strongly recommend you nominate this great article ASAP in order for it to be adorned with the green crown of a Good article. It would be a great month for WP:Palestine with Bayt Jibrin and al-Aqsa Mosque achieving GA status. Regards good friend, --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Throwing more at you

Greetings Huldra! Well I was just reading the article on Hebron glass and I began to compare it with Nabulsi soap (which is a Good article) and I thought to myself: Hebron glass should definitely be nominated for GA status. Both articles treat the subject pretty much the same (Nabulsi soap is slightly bigger, but Hebron glass is more referenced). I have overlooked the article to find any MoS mistakes, needed wikilinks, etc. and I fixed what I saw. Nonetheless, the article meets the Broadness, well-written, factually accurate, NPOV, stability and images criteria. I would nominate these two articles myself, but they were created and mostly edited by you and Tiamut (the latter article) and I believe the most significant contributors deserve to nominate their articles. I will send the same message to Tiamut. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't dare to upload anything. I'm an utter shaa!, as Terry Thomas would have said, technologically, and would only eff the works, so if I find stuff online, I'll drop a note. Thanks for these ref.pages, they are splendid. I haven't much time to edit personally, unfortunately Nishidani (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Another full book available here, with contemporary reports The Voice of Israel, ed. by R.H. Herschell 1845 Nishidani (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

(2) James Fergusan's An Essay on the Ancient Topography of Jerusalem is also fully accessible online

(3) George Anson's A voyage round the world, in the years 1740, 41, 42, 43, 44 , 1853 (covers Palestine during the Hebron-Bethlehem raids mid 1740s)

(4) Full view available also of H. Eugene Bovis's, The Jerusalem Question, 1917-1968.

(5) Sarah Barclay Johnson, Hadji in Syria

(6) Thomas Hartwell Horne, William Finden, Edward Francis Finden, Landscape Illustrations of the Bible: Consisting of Views of the Most Remarkable Places Mentioned in the Old and New Testaments : from Original Sketches Taken on the Spot, vol.1, John Murray, 1836

NSS

Thanks for the comment, and for the additions. Going through it was much like going through some of these other Byrne-related articles... really one thing after another. Anyway, I think it's now passable, so I feel a bit better. Best, Mackan79 (talk) 07:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Nazir

Nazir needs an explanation (and an article)...the link you gave only goes as far as Nazir ambiguous....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

That is what I too found....hence I pushed it onto your plate, since you put the link....I've looked all over and can't find much at all....still as long as we are aware that nazir needs defining when we find something we can always get back on it...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 06:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

PS... Hebron is looking a much better article for the inclusion of Arab/Palestinian history....well done...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 07:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hebron article

you are taking out information about people who are actually in WP and are quite notable for things. you are also taking out other cited material. big difference from what i did on the Cinema article as there was no cited info. nor WP articles about the people or films I removed. It is my hope that you can more carefully review your edits and not take out well-cited material or else it might be considered "vandalism" --Einsteindonut (talk) 23:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Weasel words

Hi, it's not relevant to the argument, but "claimed" is not a necessarily a weasel word. Weasel words are words that are used to obscure information. For example, "some people claim that..." is weasel words, because it does not indicate who makes the claim, or whether the number of people who do so is significant. "Claim" is often used in a way that is at least slightly uncivil, but when it is used in a sentence like "George claimed that...", it is definitely not a weasel word. Regards, and apologies for being pedantic, Looie496 (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Zochrot, or "Nakba in Hebrew"

It's difficult to be sure about groups like this, which have operated premises with speakers and seminars and done tours since 2002. They operate a tri-lingual web-site (parts of the English portion are right up to date, others are not). They're clearly not a blog and are much better than many sites that have been used for much more "surprising" information related to Palestinians in Israel. PR^talk 19:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanks

Glad to help a little, and thanks also for your work. Best, Mackan79 (talk) 08:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Greetings Huldra! Thanks for your sources you placed for us to use on the Bayt Jibrin page. I most recently used Moshe Sharon for the Bani Zeid article. I will go for starting the article on Tamim al-Dari ASAP and I was wondering if you had anything on Nabi Samwil? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Splendid piece of detective work among the sources, Huldra on the Hebron waqf and its historical ramifications. Will soon work over this myself. Mille grazie Nishidani (talk) 07:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

karmiel

Your blanket reverts of my edits are not acceptable. You cannot say, on the basis of one book, that all of Karmiel's history boils down to the Arab-Israeli dispute. It was not an Arab village and was not built on the ruins of anything, so please think before you delete edits that were made to improve the article while leaving room for the Arab "narrative" (if you don't like the word "claim"). --Gilabrand (talk) 13:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Please stop reverting my copyediting and attempt to create a balanced article. Your insistence that a poorly written account of one incident in the pre-history of Karmiel summarized from a book with an introduction by the likes of Noam Chomsky is the city's "history" is odd, to say the least. In an article this size, a report on a protest by some undefined group (Israelis? Arabs? Israelis and Arabs?) cannot take up 3/4 of the article. Oh, and "Birth of a city" is a very nice title for a poem, but this it doesn't fit here.--Gilabrand (talk) 16:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks to me as if Gilabrand is seeking to conceal a case of state-backed dispossession (the kind of thing that would be called a pogrom in other circumstances) on specious grounds, at one point with an IDONTLIKEIT summary of "the whole story sounds fishy to me". PR^talk 21:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Tubas info

Greetings Huldra! I want to soon nominate Tubas for GA status, but I need more History and if possible something on culture. Pretty much anything on Tubas would be useful. The problem is, Tubas is not even 200 years old and is barely a city (16,000 people), thus there is little online info on it. Also, I have not been able to find the official website of Tubas Municipality (don't think there is one). Trust me, I have dug and dug and dug for info on Tubas, but have not found much on its history or culture. Or whether the majority of municipal seats belong to Hamas, Fatah, or whoever. If you could find anything on Tubas (also spelled Toubas and Tubass), I would appreciate it very much. Oh and the article needs a couple images, but this is not the biggest problem, it already has one of a general view. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

2 Kadoorie's

Khodori Institute, Tulkarm...  :-) I hope that explains why....Now all you need is for Khodori Institute to be changed from a redirect to Kadoorie Agricultural High School...and Tulkarm can have their college back from the Palmach...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm leaving the changes and deletion of usurped redirects to you.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Bayt Jibrin GA Pass!

Just wanted to inform you Bayt Jibrin passed its review and has now been listed as a good article! Oh an here...

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your substantial contributions to Bayt Jibrin and of course for providing sources for dozens of other Palestine-related articles as well as imagery. Keep up your great work! Al Ameer son (talk) 23:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Bayt Jibrin was an article that many of us participated in and of course we cannot forget Ashley kennedy3. I think with the sources available, Tubas won't get much bigger in article content, but thankfully it passed anyhow. I don't know how to include the culture articles onto that server, seeing as they are major aspects of Palestinian life, they should definitely be included. I'm excited that you got new sources for Cinema of Palestine; perhaps this will be the new GA of the project once we start editing. I don't how active I will be with that article, but if any help is needed, I'll try. Also, don't forget Hebron glass. I was waiting for Tiamut to nominate it, because you had Bayt Jibrin on your hands, but I think her keyboard is still messed up, so she hasn't been editing much lately. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Nazir

A superintendent of religious sanctuaries.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

done...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Did it help with any confusion over the two colleges?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Where did the "Girlfriends" come from? Is there a tag that says "this user is Male"...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

for your collection of Nasir/Nazir:-

Saladin or more correctly:- al-Malik al-Nâsir Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb

...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

See also An-Nasir li-Din Allah

The name may have started off as meaning helper, (as in sweeper up at the holy shrine) but soon grew to a position of power. As it is cultural I'll it for you to follow up on. I'm a places person being a topographical surveyor by profession (if you need the coords of a place give me a call)....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Sorry I may be being thick here but could you clarify "ME-articles"? From the context I'm assuming you don't mean wp:own - is this Middle East? ϢereSpielChequers 17:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Pictures always welcome

• Yes please to images.
• I took the mickey out of JIDF on their face book group over gender issue. (they seem to have deleted my posts from their site???? I just can't resist endearing myself to that group).
• The directions are correct; modern maps and good old satellite imagery. You go north from Hebron towards Halhul, turn right on to the 3507 towards Jericho [away from Bayt Jibrin] (yes I know its an east west road), and it is 500 yds down the road on the left.
• I'll have a look for the coords.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

on the 3507, obvious to me...next you'll want directions into the carpark (which is pass Mamre by 20 yds, turn left, go 40 yds, turn left, go past the kiosk, the best place to park is on the left centre.)....

You're not as "in your face" as I am..and I also complained to them about my ranking...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you happy with the directions to Mamre now?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

coords done...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

for the tipoff, Huldra. Have duly replaced on my computer refboard.Nishidani (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Nabi Rubin sources

Marhaba Huldra! Great job with Cinema of Palestine! While I was reading, I came upon a red link titled "Nabi Rubin festivals", so I did some research and started an article on the village and festival of Nabi Rubin. I just wanted to ask you if you could find any more sources for the article, in particular from Khalidi. Thanks and keep up your great work! --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yum, candy!

Sweet Huldra. I love jellybeans! Thanks. :)

I have heard of Fadil Saba. His photography legacy is locally famous here. Will look for English sources to pass on to you and see what I can find in Arabic too. Good to hear from you again.

And thanks again for the candy. Tiamut^talk 14:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I will ask some my elders here in Nazareth if Fadil had a brother he worked with (I recall someone mentioning something about that) to see if we can get a full name for this "N" initial. I tried to find English-language sources, but they are very few (one from the Palestine Exploration Fund which I can't access the full text of and a couple that refeence his photos only). So it looks like Arabic sources will be the main preserve of where information about him might be found. I'll see what I can do, and get back to with more, if I find it. Tiamut^talk 15:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Just before you go, I wanted to say that you made my editing day. Collaborating with you is always a pleasure. Thanks, and have a great evening. Tiamut^talk 19:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Joint DYK submission?

Hey Huldra. Al Ameer Son and I have been talking about expanding Hittin (which you began expanding on the 18th) five-fold so as to put forward a joint DYK nomination. We are about 800 bytes short right now (not much). We are also working on Nabi Shu'ayb which is just about ready to be nominated, though Al Ameer was hoping you might have a picture for it. Anyway, if you are around, it would be great if you could pitch in just a bit more so that we can get the noms listed ASAP. We have five days from after article creation or the first edit toward expansion to qualify. Let me know what you think. Tiamut^talk 14:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

al-Lajjun sources

Marhaba Huldra! Glad to see Project Palestine's up and running again, especially the destroyed villages sector (Hittin, Nabi Rubin and now al-Lajjun). I just started the latter article and am dying for information from Khalidi and Morris. I got a lot from le Strange and Pringle, but most of it is pre-Ottoman history. I also have a lot on early Ottoman history and the town's rule by the Turubay family from the Ze'evi source. However, I have virtually nothing on later Ottoman history (1700-1900s) and absolutely nothing on the British Mandate era and its capture by Israel. I'm using Bayt Jibrin as a model for al-Lajjun and hopefully within a month or a little later than that, we could nominate the article for Good article review. The article won't move much further, however, without info from Khalidi or Morris though. Whenever you have time, could you please add to the article. I'm going to ask Tiamut to chip in as well, and thanks again for expanding Nabi Rubin. Salamat! --Al Ameer son (talk) 07:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Weird. Why does the timestamp on my message in the section above precede Al Ameer's message at my talk page? It was a response to his message there. Also weird, when I posted above, I don't recall seeing this message. I'm so confused. Oh well. Good work to you all and good night! Tiamut^talk 18:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Lajjun

Hello! Your submission of Lajjun at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 08:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

It's all good, I fixed it. Had too many characters. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Lajjun

On 24 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lajjun, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hittin

On 24 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hittin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Kafr Lam

Just started an article on this depopulated village. I noticed that Khalidi has a lot of it in his book, but I can't access the full text. If you could dump some info here on the talk page in point form or directly into the article, along with the biblio info, I'll format, copy edit, ref it, etc. It seems Yakut wrote about the village and there is some mention of its history in Ottoman times too. The sources I can access only discuss the early Islamic era fort from which the village takes its name. Anyway, thanks for all your earlier help too on Hittin and Lajjun. And by the way, a package did arrive to Nazareth from Sweden, according to my friends, who wondered how that happened since they forgot what I told them about you wanting to send stuff. But it was received and is being put to good use. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 12:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

My dear dear Huldra. You are too good! Thank you so much for adding all that (and it looks like there is more to come). I will leave off editing there for a bit until you have put some more stuff down to avoid edit conflicts. Later tonight or tomorrow, I'll go back, copy edit, break it into sections, and write an intro. I think I'll also nominate it as a DYK, if you don't mind (with a credit to you alone for your fantastic work). Well done and thanks again. Tiamut^talk 15:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a book by Abulhawa ever arrived, Huldra. I don't know what could have happened to it. I thought that a carton of books that came from Sweden was from you (I don't know why I thought you were in Sweden, but there it is). Oh dear. I guess the postal system isn't working that great or the inventory at the library (not really a library - a volunteer run thing) isn't that well organized. My goodness. Thanks for trying and I'm sorry it didn't work out. Great work on Kfar Lam by the way. I'll copy edit and nominate it soon. Tiamut^talk 21:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. I did a bit of copy editing, added some new section breaks and bit more on the Crusader period from a new source. It still need some work and I will try to add more in he days to come. But I did go ahead and nominate it for a DYK since we have time to do these kinds of minor fixes before it goes up (if it goes up, fingers crossed :) Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks for pitching right in there. You are a great editor and team player Huldra. Thanks again. Tiamut^talk 16:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's always fun to encounter attempts at erasure. You should check this out. It leads back to a whole other fun discussion.

I really do wish that book arrived. I'm craving new books and there's not a lot to be found that I'm interested in around here. Google books is okay, but it's rather limited sometimes.

And about Hittin, I forgot we didn't start it (or rather I forgot that the new articles page was not for fivefold expansions of articles). Too proud of our joint DYK effort with Al Ameer I guess. My bad.

I'm going to try to get to work on Palestinian costumes again soon in earnest. Anything you have that may be help would be appreciated. Thanks for your feedback there and happy editing my friend. Tiamut^talk 20:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Fellahin and Bedouin meals in Palestine

Hey Huldra! What do you think of the inclusion of a "Fellahin sub section" in the Palestinian cuisine article? I found this online book that has an entire chapter on Foods in Palestine [5] starting on page 406, which discusses the kinds of methods of cooking, the primary ingredients and the main meals of Fellahin and Bedouins in Palestine. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Kafr Lam

On 5 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kafr Lam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I cropped and uploaded Image:Beit Jibrin - Roberts 1839.jpg, and will get to the rest tomorrow (its time to sleep now). You should add the image to the Bayt Jibrin article exactly where you see fit. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of Lajjun taken or painted before 1948. I want to nominate it for GA sometime this week, but an image would really help. If you find one tell me, and I'll upload it in a hurry. Cheers, good night, and happy Eid. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

1. Thanks for checking in on me when I was a prisoner.
2. Thanks for the Mamre picture....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 08:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Jacob's Well

On 12 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jacob's Well, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Backslash Forwardslash 12:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Beat me to it!

Thanks for expanding al-Malikiyya. I was going to start expansion tomorrow. Great job in Safsaf too. We should really continue creating new articles on the Arab villages of the eastern Galilee and expand the articles that have already been started. Later, I hope that you, Tiamut, and I start the article on Majdal Yaba (whole lot of history!). I already gathered some sources in addition to W. Khalidi. See, User:Al Ameer son/Majdal Yaba. Good night... --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey you. Any help you can give at Suhmata would be appreciated. I know Khalidi has a lot on it, but I can only see snippets in Google books, not enough to pull out the info reliably I'm afraid. See you later. Tiamut^talk 14:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. If you want I could start it tomorrow, if you don't have time. By the way, I think it's better if I asked you on your talk page instead of Majdal Yaba's about any info about Deir Istiya (existing village near Salfit) in the Scholch book that's not already in that article. I took some info from the snippet view on google books. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the additions at Meiron. I expanded it a bit more and started working on expanding Imwas today. You should check out the latter where my focus has been the older history. It could use some expansion on the tweintieth century events, so if you know of any good sources, pass them on. Thanks again. I hope you're doing well. Tiamut^talk 16:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, seeing as I live here, and I jsut recently got a really good camera, if you let me know what specific sites you want pictures of, I could take day trips to get them. It would be fun for me and integrate going outside with Wiki stuff. I'm glued to this screen way too much for there to come any good of it.

Thanks for popping in on those articles. I added a sourced etymology section to Bethany (biblical village) by the way, after you stalking you to it. I also took the history section to al-Eizariya, where it was before Tewfik moved it some time ago. I don't think it's right to imply that the village's history only began in the 16th century when it beccame Muslim ?!? which is how it read because of the split.

See you around sweetie and have a good holiday and Merry Christmas if that's what you do. I may disappear myself for a few days. I'm going to try to get to Bethlehem this year for midnight mass. Wish me luck and let me know if you want any pictures from there before I go. Tiamut^talk 19:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I finally started al-Khalisa (sorry it took longer than expected) but could you extract the info from Sacred Landscapes because I cannot really tell what info is for al-Khalisa or Wadi Hunayn. Khalidi doesn't give as much as I expected on this one. Have a good trip to Bethlehem by the way Tiamut (you should visit the Jacir Palace, its magnificent!) --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

As a contributor to the Bayt Naqquba

As a contributor to the Bayt Naqquba you may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Bayt Naqquba. I am surprised that the editor who posted the proposal has been so uncivil as not to have notified you..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Lajjun pass

Just coming to congratulate you; Lajjun has been listed a good article bringing the number of Palestine-related geography GAs to 7. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Palestine collaboration re mergers

I have included a topic for discussion with the section Mergers started by Chesdovi as I feel it is within the scope of the topic. Please see and add any comments you feel applicable...regards...and seasonal greetings....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:30, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Majdal Yaba

On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Majdal Yaba, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 08:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Reclaiming Palestine

Yes I know that the Church of Saint Lazarus is in al-Eizariya, (google currently gives Ma'ale Adumim on al-Eizariya) so it is not just wiki. There has been quite a lot of incorrect placing of landmarks. The available mapping of the Palestinian authority area is mostly blank not good for me to establish co-ords. I have looked for co-ordinates of many of the landmarks and I will continue to try to identify and co-ordinate the various landmarks that are currently incorrectly placed in 'Israel'...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Subaytah

Hi. I am not sure if this message will reach you because I find it strange to have to edit your page in order to send you a message. Anyhow, the village is shown on the map which I referenced when I added the place. It is marked as adjacent to the archaeological site of the same name and a little to its south-east. When you said that you were unable to download the map, I tried and was surprised to find that I could not download it either. I have a copy of the map on my computer and find it immenselt useful because it is very detailed. However, I feel that it would be better if you were to get a copy of the map directly from the PalestineRemembered website. You can contact the main person there by emailing info@palestineremembered.com I hope this helps MartinCollin 07:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

info@palestineremembered.com

Subaytah

Hi. This is my second attemopt to reply to your message. I hope it works. Anyhow, the village is shown on the map which I referenced when I added the place. It is marked as adjacent to the archaeological site of the same name and a little to its south-east. When you said that you were unable to download the map, I tried and was surprised to find that I could not download it either. I have a copy of the map on my computer and find it immenselt useful because it is very detailed. However, I feel that it would be better if you were to get a copy of the map directly from the PalestineRemembered website. You can contact the main person there by emailing info@palestineremembered.com

I hope this helps MartinCollin 07:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The horror in Gaza

I've been trying to document what I can in Wikipedia's article on the subject, but it's a struggle to keep up with events. My stomach has been tied in knots since the first day of the Israeli military assault, I can hardly eat anything at all, and it's very challenging to maintain any sense of hope for the future. Watching the scenes on Al-Jazeera, Al-Manar and elsewhere, I feel as though we are all under bombardment, wherever we are. I've read accounts of child who died of a heart attack due to the shock induced by Israeli bombardments and a man who died of heart attack today in a demonstration in Rabat against the Israeli offensive. People are dying of shock and anger, in addition to being to slain by the most hi-tech weapons ever used against a civilian population. It's a horrific sci-fi flick, watching the dismembering of entire families in their homes, in the mosques on the street, in schools - with the crucial difference being that it's actually happening.

Thank you for your words of comfort and support. It's encouraging to see that people of conscience in the world are as disturbed as most Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are over what is happening. And now back to watching the carnage and doing what little I can to document its horrors with what little information we have about what is going. Israel is now targeting the few media installations in Gaza that are reporting on what is happening. Press TV station destroyed by IDF in Gaza. It's preferable to conduct genocide away from television cameras it seems. My deepest regards Huldra, Tiamut^talk 17:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry about the removed post at Israel-Gaza Conflict. It was a complete error and one that I wasn't even aware of until I saw your edit summary. I can see why you were unsure why I did that. I'm not even sure how I did it. Although I would guess that I must have had a tab open with a version of the page after Tiamut's edit and wrote on that one by mistake. Again, sorry about that. Cheers. --JGGardiner (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem

Hello,

Hopefully we can settle the status of Jerusalem...at least on Wikipedia. :-) See talk page: Talk:Church of the Pater Noster and let me know your thoughts. Spool 26 (talk) 03:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Gaza solidarity

Greetings Huldra. I want to thank you for expanding Barbara and giving me an idea on how we as wiki editors could show our solidarity with Gaza. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine#Gaza Devotion period. I started expanding Gaza's history recently and the Great Mosque of Gaza passed its GA review today. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Minor misunderstanding

Sorry about that; I don't mind the PR link, it was just misplaced. Should have put it in the External links section. Great job on Barbara's expansion by the way. I'll hit up those villages soon. Right now I'm working on Gaza. Hopefully, it'll be ready for a Good article nomination soon. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I knew it was Naji's home village, but (shamefully) the main motivating force that made me start it was because I didn't want any red links in the Lubya article I was expanding. Also, I didn't have the Khalidi book. You're absolutely right that it should be expanded. About the importance ratings... you pretty much summed it up when you said "set by chance". Someone said a while back that every destroyed village is of high importance (I think Tiamut said it) and I agree, however, there's so many and obviously some were more important than others. I think to be fair, villages of great historical importance like Bayt Jibrin, Lajjun, Yibna, Imwas, Hittin, Majdal Yaba, Yazur and there's probably more or villages with particularly high populations like al-Tantura, al-Bassa, Salama, ad-Dawayima, etc. should be of higher importance than say Kudna, Arab al-'Arida, Farwana, al-Jiyya, Huj, etc. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Subaytah

Subaytah was in Beersheba during the British Mandate. It is not listed in Khalidi's "All that Remains", which lists very few of the villages of the Beersheba district. It is, however, shown on this map of Palestine before the Nakba

  http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story11857.html

You should beware, however, when downloading this map, because the file is a very large one -- 16 Megabytes in size.

This map shows the village as located just to the south-east of the archaeological site of the same name, which the Israelis now call Shivta.

1948 villages

• I will start Bayt Jiz pronto, and Kafr Saba later (although personally I think the latter is more important). I'll copy-paste your set up on Huldra/Sources.
• Once again, we share a similar goal. I have long thought that we should start articles on Palestines district governors. For Gaza, I want to create an article on the Mamluk Gaza governor 'Alam al-Din al-Jawli, and the famous Ottoman-appointed Ridwan governor of Gaza, Husayn Pasha (the guy behind Gaza's Golden Age under the Ottomans). I am interested to learn about the Gaza governors you pointed out. When I was extracting info on Gaza from Edward Robinson, he mentioned that the governor of Gaza was a man named Sheikh Said (this was in the 1830s under Muhammad Ali/Egyptian rule). We need to gather a list of these governors and the years and districts they reigned. Here is a rough draft of the Ottoman era goverors of Sanjak/Liwa Gaza that we have come across thus far:
  • Kara Shahin Mustafa
  • Ridwan Pasha
  • Bahram Pasha (possibly)
  • 'Arab Hasan
  • Husayn Pasha
  • Musa Pasha (end of Ridwan dynasty)
  • Salih Pasha Tuqan
  • Muhammed Aby Nabbut
  • Mustafa Bey
  • Sheikh Sa'id
• As for uploading pictures, there's no other reason but laziness (it's much simpler on en.wikipedia), but I see you what you mean. For now on, all uploads to the Commons!
• Thanks! Gaza has more than tripled its size since we started the Devotion Period, and all info is referenced. Great work on the villages by the way. Just to inform you, I started Burayr recently so please add anything you have on it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That's a good idea (it's been on my User page to-do list for a while now). Also, take a look at Jubb Yussef (Joseph's Well). This too was a pre-1948 village. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I started Bayt Jiz finally! It looks good, but could be expanded. Barfiliya is next... --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hebron glass (again...!)

See Talk:Hebron glass. I will make the minor corrections throughout the article, but will you have the honor of nominating it. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry about not getting to Kawkab al-Hawa, I've been busy with Palestinian fedayeen (which just passed its GA nomination), Hims, Syria's mosques, and Gaza's GA review. I did start Karatiyya recently however. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Hebron glass is now a Good article! --Al Ameer son (talk) 08:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm back for now

Hey my sweet Huldra. Got you notes about Khalil Raad and I hope to start an article about him in the coming hours and days. Thanks for bringing my attention to him. I love learning about new people from Palestinian history and he seems like a very interesting one.

I hope you are doing well. I've noticed you too have been out on a bit of a break. Whenever you do get back, drop me a line. Take care of yourself my dear. Tiamut^talk 15:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Khalil Raad is up now. Just a sketch of course. If have time to drop in and provide more pictures, that would be cool. Missing you, Tiamut^talk 23:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh yes, the joys of travelling as a tall, attractive, young woman! I can't wait until I am old enough to be free of that kind of attention as well. Try being detained at the border for hours, under security suspicions, while being hit on at the same time. I remember not too long ago sitting in a room with a security guy, where I had been taken after I insisted I had to have a smoke. He kept smiling at me, offering me coffee, cigarettes, etc., until as I was leaving, he finally mustered up the courage to ask me for my phone number. Since my passport had already been handed back to me, I said no without hesitation. But it was one of those kind of surreal moments, where hormones trump prejudice, or in a more positive phrasing, humanity wins out over system. Anyways, enough about that.

About Fadil Saba, I must admit that so far I have hit a bit of a brick wall. I will ask some artist friends if they know where I could find some scholarly material on his work and get back to you. Inquiries with my elders came to naught. Take care of yourself my dear. Sure am glad to see you back. Tiamut^talk 13:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, "Are you married?" seems to be a popular refrain in the Arab world. It finds its way into the middle of many a conversation, often being the opening line. Even when I wasn't married, I always was too and would also throw in a couple of kids for good measure, in case a childless union would be interpreted as a possible way in. I'm sure that as a blond, you got more than your fair share. What is scarce is desirable, and as we don't have more than a handful of blonds in this region, mostly the offspring of Crusader unions, you wold be a hot commodity. ;) Tiamut^talk 14:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

So funny how the grass is always greener on the other side and almost everybody wants what they don't have! Anyway, since you have been gone, this case on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Evidence has been opened. You might be interested to take a look, since the results may impact terminology usage in the articles affected (if in fact the Arbcomm decides to rule on the content part of the debate). Have fun. Tiamut^talk 15:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this: [6]. It's a very valuable link. I'd like to go through our Wiki articles on those topics and see how close (or far) they are from these definitions. Funny isn't it, that while Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem are defined, the West Bank isn't? It's taken as a total given and Judea and Samaria are not even mentioned. Also note that while some people have made parallels between the use of "Palestine" and J&S in the current arb case, Palestine is deemed acceptable for use when referring to history or the future Palestinian state. Also interesting was the distinction they make between "Palestinian land" and "Palestinian territories"; the former a possible substitute for "Occupied territories", while the latter refers only to Area A population centers controlled by the PNA. Makes me laugh when I think about how Number57 tried to replace "Palestine" with "Palestinian territories" in the article on Hummus (we settled eventually for "region of Palestine" - which still seems a little WP:OR to me to be frank, but I conceded in the name of WP:CONSENSUS). Maybe he thought the Palestinians living in Area B don't eat Hummus? ;) Tiamut^talk 16:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting indeed how the cabal that could not be named managed to get away with those things then. But the times they are a changing ... By the by, just started an article on Colonia (Palestine) also spelled, Qalunya. If there is anything in Khalidi's book about it, would appreciate some help. I have Pappe's book (finally got it) but it's not as rich in details on what the villages were like, so much as what was done to them. Anyway, great work on expanding Emily Jacir, Danna and Samakh, Tiberias. Speaking of which, do you think I should move Colonia (Palestine) to Colonia, Jerusalem? Cheers my dear. Tiamut^talk 17:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for beginning to expand Qalunya, Jerusalem. You are amazing! I started working on cleaning up Endor (village) and Indur a bit. Was wondering if you know anything about a place called Khirbet Safsafa. I thought it was the same as Safsaf (which is also called Safsafa sometimes) but after looking at the location, realized they could not be the same place. Was Khirbet Safsafa inhabited in 1948 or was it just a place of ruins near Indur. Anyway, the spelling variations make it difficult to track down Arab places, but I am doing my best. I have to leave for tonight, but I just wanted to thanks again. Tiamut^talk 21:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Great to hear from you again, it's a been a long while since I've conversed with you and Tiamut as well. Yea, the article just needed some copyeditting (I got help from two other editors) and I managed to acquire a modern photo of the glass art. I missed out on nominating Bayt Jiz for DYK, but Kawkab al-Hawa must be nominated when we start it! Gaza should have passed its GA review weeks ago, but the reviewer seems to be inactive for long stretches of time. No matter though, it'll get the GA crown soon enough. When you're not busy, stop by History of Gaza. I would love some input, sources, and/or suggestions since I want to nominate that for GA soon as well. Tell me when you start working on Akka—it's a mess right now. Cheers good friend! --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Samakh, Tiberias

Cheers. If you find the travellers' journals you are looking for, please provide the links, as I am also interested in them. Also interesting are the now-public domain writings/journals of Conrad Schick, Sir Oliphant, Heinrich Meissner, etc. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

About Oliphant: I was actually saying that it was of interest to me, so if you could find his works online I would be greatful. I have no idea where to find them, unfortunately. I am glad that WikiProject Palestine is working on finding old sources. So, another request, if you will: if you find anything related to the railways in Ottoman Palestine and the Mandate, please let me know! Thanks, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Have a laugh

look at this. I have been wiping tears from my eyes over this one (laughing not crying). Some of the excuses for removing material are lame but this takes the biscuit. Removed for being accurate and well sourced, so it doesn't belong in the Israel-Palestine conflict article. is the rest of the article of such poor quality that accurate referenced work stands out?..this one is too good to keep to myself...I haven't enjoyed myself as much since someone challenged the fact that the Gaza port in Rimal being in Rimal...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

So busy

in real life, I forgot about the DYK nom for Khalil Raad. Sorry. A close relative has been in and out of the hospital for tests and that will continue until we know what's wrong with her. Anyway, I'll try to get back soon but the time to nom Raad is gone now. Oh well. Take care my friend. Tiamut^talk 12:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks my sweet, for your understanding. Today, I do have a bit of time to spare and so will pitch in what I can. I got Ilan Pappe's book on The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine finally. So I will try to add things to village pages he mentions in the book as time goes on. Anyway, keep up the good work of your own. Cheers, Tiamut^talk 13:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Copy pasted

all the on to one sorting the diff out now...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

someone gave a it minority name that would never be found, removed links to notables, incorrect coords, gave how Israeli Mekerot company was saving the day (when all they do is control the well and syphon part of the water for settler use else where)....thanks for the heads up...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

The Israeli propaganda work was noticeable when the article was read, about how Israel was doing such a wonderful job (with no context). About how all the non-refugees were illegally building and how Merkorot was being so nice by taking over the water supply....good job in noticing...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I've extended Ein as-Sultan a bit, so that things should stay stable. If you notice any more variations of the scam (on other towns/villages) please notify me....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Umm al-Nasser Mosque

Thank you so much for providing the Moshe Sharon source. I expanded the article with it and I feel the previous info on the mosque's early history was verified by it (book sources just give me confidence ;). Keep up your excellent work with the 1948 villages. I hope to really rejoin those efforts after Spring Break is over. By the end of April, I'm hoping all the Gaza district village articles will have been started. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Books

Dear Huldra. I'm okay, just a little swamped in real life. Another film project coming up soon and I am trying to get some spring cleaning in before it starts and eats every free hour of my life for a couple of months. Anyway, about the Nazareth library, it seems to have undergone a switch in management and I'm not sure about who is operating it right now and how. However, it's funny you should mention books, because I know a few people (myself included) who are discussing setting up a new/used bookstore/library in the coming months. One of the chaps involved worked at the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris for a few years so he knows how to deal with organizing, ordering, etc. This project would not be a strictly non-profit venture, but it is not aimed at making a profit off the books. We discussed selling other small items like old photos, postcards, olive oil soap, etc., (small items tourists like to pick up in town) as a way of ensuring an income for the book project (since most local people do not have a lot of disposable income to spare for books). Anyway, if you think your friends might be interested in supplying such a project, let me know, and we can put people in touch with one another to that end. Keep up the great work on the destroyed villages. brick by brick, Tiamut^talk 12:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Please do exercises to take care of your hands and make your wiki break a short one. Without you to wiki-stalk, I feel lost. :)

As for off-wiki subjects, I will email you soon. Oh, and I'm happy to report that my relative turned out to have something not life threatening (initially we had thought it lung cancer, but it turned out to Sarcoidoisis). So we dodged a bullet there. Anyway, take care of yourself Huldra. My warm regards, Tiamut^talk 17:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Bayt Dajan

Greetings Huldra! I've noticed in your contributions (hope you don't mind ;)) that you've been editing Bayt Dajan extensively and the article looks great. You and Tiamut have done a fantastic job and so I was wondering... maybe you would like to go for a Good article soon? I'll see what I could contribute-probably Demographics and Geography info mostly, but the article might need more history if possible. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I just scratched the surface so far. I'll add to Demographics maybe later today. Good luck on the culture section, looking forward to seeing your contributions. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Delayed and distracted

Hi my dear. I just wanted to tell you that I got tied up with other things and did not get to copy editing Al-Bassa any further or to adding new sources to your subpage re: Kafr Saba. Sorry about that. One thing led to another and then all of a sudden I was writing an article on the Lydda Death March that got big enough to warrant a DYK nom of its own. Anyway, I still have evey intention of following up on those other two things, it will just have to be a little later than I expected. I'm sure you understand and find it as hard to believe as I did that there was no article for such an important event in the 1948 Palestinian exodus until its creation just yesterday. Tooting my own horn a bit yes, it seems that insomnia can make you somewhat deliriously high on yourself. ;) See you soon sweets. Tiamut^talk 08:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi my dear. Thank you so much for your work at Lydda Death March. I have to step out for a moment and will be back (hopefully) in a little while. But I just wanted to say thanks before I popped out. It really means a lot to me that it is in good shape for the DYK appearance. I hope that others who have not liked it, will leave it alone during that time at least. Of course, there's still so much to do. We've barely touched its relationship to events before and after, but that can wait until after the DYK appearance since its likely to get contentious again. Kisses. Tiamut^talk 23:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Funny that. I totally forgot about it in the whirlwind that followed the creation of Lydda Death March. Technically, I still could since it was created a little less than five days ago. Hmmmmm.... Tiamut^talk 23:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Salbit

On May 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salbit, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

thx Victuallers (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

I didn't know you added sources, I forgot to place the page on my watchlist! Thank you for the list of sources, I will check them out. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

For what I have written so far, I have used the Passia source, Palestine-Family net source, and another WRMEA article. The Ameu article looks good and I think I can make use of the WRMEA article. I am looking forward to watching the videos. I understand that we can't use videos as sources, but is it okay to place links to the videos in the external links section? -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article, it is far from done, but it is good to get it out there so others can work on it. Please see if you can improve the article.Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 03:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of Roman bridges

Please see there. These bridges may definitely be in terms of looks and fabrics be Mamluk, but their history goes back to Roman predecessor bridges, and as such they comply to the definition given in the lead. Kind regards and please link your articles, once finished, to the list. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

ThankSpam

My RfA Thank you for participating in my "RecFA", which passed with a final tally of 153/39/22. There were issues raised regarding my adminship that I intend to cogitate upon, but I am grateful for the very many supportive comments I received and for the efforts of certain editors (Ceoil, Noroton and Lar especially) in responding to some issues. I wish to note how humbled I was when I read Buster7's support comment, although a fair majority gave me great pleasure. I would also note those whose opposes or neutral were based in process concerns and who otherwise commented kindly in regard to my record. I recognise that the process itself was unusual, and the format was generally considered questionable - and I accept that I was mistaken in my perception of how it would be received - but I am particularly grateful for those whose opposes and neutrals were based in perceptions of how I was not performing to the standards expected of an administrator. As much as the support I received, those comments are hopefully going to allow me to be a better contributor to the project. Thank you. Very much. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC) ~~~~~

Well, back to the office it is...

Crusader castles

Hi Huldra, it can be kind of confusing, sometimes they just called any new castle simply "the new castle", or "chastel neuf" in French. The one generally called Chastel Neuf seems to be the one in Margaliot. The other one in Mi'ilya is generally called "the king's castle", Castellum Regis in Latin. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Kafr Saba

Greetings Huldra! I've noticed you have decently developed the potential article of Kafr Saba on your personal page. Whenever you are back editing Wikipedia, you should make the potential article into an official article. I will do my best to expand it further once you have moved it. The reason I mention it is because Kafr Saba is one the very notable Palestinian villages to be depopulated and therefore deserves its own article on Wiki. I know you have been waiting to start this article and this is why I think it's best you move it to mainspace. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Great hearing from you Huldra! I really hope you could be active on Wikipedia for the sake of the 1948 villages because now with Tiamut gone, the excellent progress we were making in the past has really taken a downfall. I will try to get involved more, but I too have some articles I'm busy with at the moment. However, for Kafr Saba, I will make an exception ;) The reason I was hesitant to start it was because you did all the work and I feel like I'd just slapping my name on it. But since you insist, I will start it immediately. By the way, I recently created the article, Civil War in Palestine (793-796) (its about the war between the northern Mudhar or Qays and the southern Yaman). I'm not sure that's the best name for the article, so if you have any ideas please present them. The reason I'm telling you is because I know you took an interest in the 19th century Qays-Yamani rivalry in Palestine. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey. It's not too late, almost though. Have you thought of a hook? If you did tell me and I'll nominate it immediately. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad news. Unfortunately, it was too late for the nomination. I totally blame myself for this since I should have nominated it days ago. I apologize. Also, on a related note, a merge proposal has come up. Since you pretty much made the article, I thought you might want to know. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Hütteroth, Wolf-Deiter

Hi, I have this book and the author's name is Hütteroth, Wolf-Dieter. That's "ie" not "ei". Khalidi's bibliography has it wrong. I think it is wrong in about 65 Wikipedia pages... Anyway, if you'd like me to look up anything in the book, just ask. Basically it is a big catalogue of all the villages in Palestine in 1596 with data like population and how much tax they paid. Cheers. Zero^talk 10:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

As you've done a lot of work on Template:Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestine War, do you mind if I move it to Template:Towns and villages depopulated during Al-Nakba, or even just Template:Al Nakba (though the latter might be too broad)? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 01:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually I've turned it into an RfC because it covers several titles. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Nakba. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 22:53, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I have answered here: Template talk:Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestine War ---Huldra (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad Abu Nabbut

Greetings Huldra! I started an article you suggested a while back, Muhammad Abu-Nabbut the governor of Jaffa and Gaza. Well I just wanted to notify you and also request help in it. Maybe you could expand it with sources you have. In particular, what's the source you use to back that he reigned from 1807 to 1818? The reason I ask is because one of the sources I use says he became governor after being assigned by Sulayman Pasha after the death Jezzar Pasha in 1804. Also do you know if he died in 1818? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! And yes, I'll start an article on the trough. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I decided that I will not start the trough article until the weekend (I've been a little under the weather lately...), but I will nominate the Abu Nabut and Mahmoudiya Mosque articles now (they certainly are of DYK material. ;) And if you would like different hooks just change them after I list them. As for the webgaza.net links, we have removed them because they're pretty much copy-cats (to put it simply) and we should avoid having unnecessary external links. Anything they have on the destroyed villages is info that's already provided in the article or could be with Khalidi and other reliable sources. The only reason I have nothing against Palestine Remembered is because the site usually provides several decent village photos and other minor stuff not provided by the other sources such as the 1922 populations and 1998 refugee populations. Webgaza's info on persons are exact copies of the biographical summaries provided by PASSIA. Concerning the costumes photo, which village(s) is it? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. The legend about how Abu-Nabbut was locked out of Jaffa could be removed, but I still think we should keep the bit about the "father of the club." I was desperate for sources so I just used Vilnay... thankfully we could always count on you on providing a wide array of reliable sources! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I shaved off a little from the legend, you could take out more if you like. I nominated the article and it appears someone else has nominated the mosque for DYK. The Kan'an source has a LOAD of info (I just downloaded it). I will add from it soon, but there's some stuff I have to add to al-Aqsa Mosque right now. I had always thought Guy le Strange was available online-I've used his book in dozens of articles. BTW thanks for working on Ramla's history now and in the past ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian film

Hey Huldra, I thought it might interest you that a Palestinian film, the Chronicle of a Disappearance is on hold in its GA review. The nominator of the article seems to be inactive at the moment and I have agreed to look after the article if he doesn't return. However, I don't think I could pull through with this (But if I have to I'll try my best). Therefore, I am requesting that you take care of some of the points brought up by the reviewer so that the article could become a Good article. I know it seems random and the reason I'm asking you is because of your interest in the Cinema of Palestine. Please notify me on whether you will work on those points or not, if not I totally understand ;) Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you can't work on the film article, thanks for notifying me so quickly though. As for Fair Use, I've never actually uploaded an image with a fair use tag (most of the ones I upload are either old or self-made and so are in no need for fair use). You should contact Eleland or perhaps even Fjmustak for help on fair use tags. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to inform you, I started Sabil Abu Nabbut a few days ago. Have at it and maybe if we got enough material we'll nominate it for DYK. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Great job expanding! Since most of the article was written by yourself, I'll let you think of a DYK hook or at least the main idea of a hook ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Greetings Huldra! I see that you've noticed Khirbat al-Minya. I meant to tell you right after I started it, but got caught up with some things outside wiki. I intend to help expand the article because I have a great liking and fascination for the history of the Umayyads. I've also decided to start a category entitled "Umayyad palaces" (there seems to be lots of them in the region, including some that have articles here). As for Sabil Abu Nabbut, I'm not at all creative at making hooks and have no problem with yours. Will nominate now. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Architecture

Hello my dear. It's been some time, but I've decided to redon my editing shoes. I've set up a user sub-page User:Tiamut/Architecture. I'm trying to write a series of articles on the architecture of Palestine. I was wondering if you had any good resources for that and ideas on how to structure it. I think we need an article on specific things like the Palestinian village house, as well as a broader overview article on Palestinian Arab architecture and the other architectural traditions to have been identified in Palestine over the ages. Are you in? Tiamut^talk 11:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I knew you would not disappoint dear Huldra. Thanks fo the links to both on and off wiki material. I'll be perusing them over the next little while, amassing things, and adding what I can. I missed you very much. Sorry for the long absence. The break was badly needed however. After what happened to me and watching what happened to Nishidani, G-Dett, MeteorMaker, Pedrito and Nickhh, I just couldn't come back for a while. Anyway, thanks again. Tiamut^talk 08:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You might also be interested in User:Tiamut/Musha'. I still have a lot to add from Amos Nadan before putting it up in mainspace but any other additions you would like to make are more than welcome. Cheers my dear, Tiamut^talk 10:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hama and Halab

Wow Huldra! Thank you for the images (they're fine, I don't see any problems with them... the only other ones I could upload are from 1919). We should be starting that article soon. As for the hamaam, I will try to gather some more sources on it. From what you say it sounds quite interesting and I would love to write an article on it. We should have more Levantine hamaam articles on wikipedia. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Muhammad Abu-Nabbut

On July 19, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Muhammad Abu-Nabbut, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Notes

• Thanks, it certainly is a beautiful place. There still needs to be more info (particularly for the History section), I just can't find any.
• I will fix that. I wonder why you can't view it, the whole book is available. Do you have a google books account?
• I'm truly stunned that you found a picture of Lajjun! Finally the article will have one. I will crop and upload it now.
• I don't know what the hell happened. That probably explains why the article got no hits that day. I didn't look into it much, but when I got the DYK notification for Mahmnoudiya Mosque, I thought they just made a typo because that article was linked in the Abu-Nabbut hook and they already gave me a DYK notification for the mosque days before. Arghhh... If you want to pursue it go ahead, I'm just going to leave it alone. As for the sabil, it's been verified by Gatoclass. I'm still a little unfamiliar with the newer system they have now, but now I know how to credit myself and the other significant contributor (yourself).
• This week was progressive indeed for many Palestine and Syria-related articles and today Ayyubid dynasty passed its GA review! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded the Lajjun image. I don't know if the info is exactly correct. The image is in the commons, File:Khan al-Lajjun.jpg. Do what you got to do ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sabil Abu Nabbut

Is there any way to get coordinates on Sabil Abu Nabbut? It was hard to figure out exactly where it was. Lampman (talk) 13:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sabil Abu Nabbut

On July 22, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sabil Abu Nabbut, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 18:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You know I love it ...

When you stalk me. Thanks for the cleanup of Ard. I've got three new articles in user space now that need refinement and completion to put forward for DYK noms. I'm probably going to open them up to ask for feedback from others too soon before moving them into article space. I don't want to have a repeat of the Lydda Death March nom.

I uploaded a new version of the Halhul file per your request. You can see it where the old one was posted at Talk:Palestinian costumes. Tawfiq Canaan is up for FA status now. I hope it passes. Once it is done, we should nominate Palestinian costumes. You in? Tiamut^talk 14:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the bevy of links my dear. About Architecture, you're right that developing the smaller ones first wold be good to do before the main one goes into article space. Its going to be a mammoth undertaking though. With a history like that of the "the land that cannot be mentioned", there are thousands of places of architectural significance. Lots of scholarship too. Maybe identifying five to work on for each time period and once they are done putting the main one up. Anway, lots to do, lots to do. Have you seen Outline of Palestine by the way? Dear dear Huldra. One can only laugh (sometimes with tears in their eyes). Oh well. Happy editing. Tiamut^talk 22:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course I don't mind. Have you checked out his commentary at the same article talk page since the sub-page went up? Amazing. Tiamut^talk 23:27, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If you're a Vandal, than I must be Attila the Hun! Don't waste too much time on it my sweet. You're additions of material to places in "the land that cannot be mentioned" are really much more important. Tiamut^talk 23:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Khirbat al-Minya

On July 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Khirbat al-Minya, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Question

I think I need to fill out a checkuser report. I know you have dealt with those before and I was wondering if you could help me to determine whether there is enough evidence to do so or not. I have a suspicion that a user who has long been hounding me is using alternate accounts to do so. I've asked all three accounts to confirm whether they have alt accounts or not. One evaded the question, one said no flat out, and the other hasn't responded yet. What kind of evidence do I need to ask for a checkuser? If these are not sockpuppets, then I certainly have a knack for attracting people who like to overuse NPOV tags or who enjoy following me around. Let me know if you need more info to give me a response. Miss you my dear. Tiamut^talk 18:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Huldra for looking into that. Yes, its been a fun couple of weeks. Anyway, I will get to adding what AshleyK's put on his page as soon as I can. Have to be away from the computer for a bit today though. Again, thanks for all the time you spent investigating things. I hope the checkuser won't be necessary in the end and that I'll continue to enjoy a little peace. Tiamut^talk 08:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey you. I know you have Khalidi's book (which I still have not managed to get). Was hoping you could add (even in point form, I'll make it prose) some stuff to al-Majdal, Tiberias. I started it after Ashleykennedy3 posted a lot of stuff on his page. Thought you might like to help fill it in. (Though I know you're busy with other villages). Much love. Tiamut^talk 18:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I think we're ready to go ahead with a DYK nom. I was thinking of a hook similar to yours: "... that the Arabic place name of Al-Majdal preserved the name of the ancient village from which Mary Magdalene is said to have hailed?" I think this is preferable because its not clear if the village destroyed in 1948 was continuously inhabited or not and people could challenge the hook on the basis that it is misleading (I would hope they wouldn't but past experiences at DYK have made me cautious). What do you think? Tiamut^talk 11:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Or "that the place name of the ancient village reputed to be the birthplace of Mary Magdalene was preserved in its Arabic name Al-Majdal?"

Or yours, if you think it would fly. Tiamut^talk 11:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's another suggestion merging both which I'll go ahead and post and if you have a tweak I'll add it then: Al-Majdal, a village depopulated in 1948, preserved the name of the ancient village reputed to be the birthplace of Mary Magdalene ? Tiamut^talk 20:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Fipplet

I'd seen that he was again being investigated; but, since I don't tend to edit the same pages that he does, I didn't follow this closely. Where does he claim to be a Christian? I haven't seen anything to contradict his statement, which I always believed, that he is a 17-year-old Swedish Jew. Does he have other identities? RolandR 19:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't checked the history of his user page. It's very odd; apart from the Check User, there is nothing to suggest that these are the same person. Unless he was taking a lot of trouble to create a new persona for his edit-warring. What a waste of all that ingenuity! RolandR 19:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Majdal, Tiberias

On August 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Majdal, Tiberias, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

{{User0|Orlady 08:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian villages

First of all. Who do you think you are to order other editors around and tell them what are what not they should create? This is a free content encyclopedia that anybody is free to edit and be WP:BOLD. Second and most importantly. If you put articles on the main page and reveal a lot of red links that are missing on similar topics you cannot possibly except any editor in the world to think those amount of red links are attractive. If you didn't want the articles started why the hell did you red link them in abundance?. If you had any common sense and didn't want anybody starting any more you would not have red linked them in a template inviting other editors to start them. Thirdly. You underestimate the size of english wikipedia. To assume you are the only editor who works on Palestine articles.... We now have all of the articles started, a fixed set that any other editors interested in the subject can expand like you. I am pretty sure I've helped you out a lot with Palestinian articles in the past and you;ve been grateful. Stop crying and deal with it. You have 250 articles to edit. I have 1 million articles in waiting to attend to and cleanup. Your request to have me BLOCKED was utterless selfish when you don't know the work I do improving articles on here. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. you assumed that I wasn't interested in raising an interest in these articles and expanding a few of them afterwards. This is a wiki, articles can develop pretty quickly if people contribute. I'm sorry you feel that suddenly you have a great workload, that is what building an encyclopedia entails.. Given that you;ve illustrated how notable these settlements were with your DYKs that gave me a good reason to believe the re dlinked articles were and are notable articles which should easily be expanded over time. Have you no support from WP:Palestine in editing these articles? Either way in the end when all of these articles are good, the task is accomplished. I created all of the articles with a link to the remember site and with an infobox ready for expansion by anybody. you are definately over-reacting and I suggest you calm down. All I can suggest is that in future if you feel so strongly about any new articles being created, don't invite editors to start new articles by leaving them red linked and looking ugly. P.S the settlement templates is HUGE and is against guidelines so leave a template that big without being collapsed. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I have written several Palestinian related articles... other than that template. You are kidding yourself if you think pretending the other missing articles didn't exist to make your workload easier. We should be covering these articles so a starter stub however limited is a step in the right direction. The thing is you seem to see things differently from me and have a different idea of progression. If you were intent on covering all of these Palestinian settlements eventually, then the goal is still the same, it will still entail the same amount of work. It has just alarmed you that you suddenly feel like you have to edit all of them at once into a GA class article. A list of articles can always be generated so you know what was there before. P.S. you have not assumed good faith over this and have treated me like a vandal, however much it went against your ideal. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

A stub is better than nothing. You still assume that I cannot possibly edit any of these articles after creation... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

What a damn wast of time, in the short run; but better in the long run? That doesn't make sense. I often see other peoples views but it is a conflict over quality more than anything, I remain firm that our goal is the cover the sum of all notable knowledge. All of these articles are notable and can and will be expanded. Not a waste of time, quite the opposite in the long run. You don't see wikipedia as a long term project which I see it as and a project which needs planning out and working towards our long term goals asap. All of the articles I started will be restarted eventually so how is it a waste of time when stage 1 is done, they are all started? Basically you would like these articles with a bit added to them. Why do you assume that I will never edit any one of them again? Surely it must have occurred to you I might have had an interested in actually having good articles about these places which prompted me start them all? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

If you think going ahead and deleting articles like Arab al-Safa is a step in the right direction be my guest. Who knows what decent stubs may get deleted in the process. Just relax, take a deep breath and keep up the good work! Meanwhile I'll add abit to these stubs. OK? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Stop moaning! I've expanded three already Al-Ashrafiyya in the time you've been winging!! How is it an impossible task??? Expanding a few articles is not impossible, far from it. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Take some time away if needed and cool off. Leaving wikipedia just because another editor actually created some articles to actually help contribute to the coverage of depopulated settlements would seem a very unlikely reason to leave. You are acting as if somebody speedy deleted all your work. Your contributions are greatly appreciated and we need more editors like you to help expand these into good articles. Leaving now would be defeatist and weak. You are much stronger than this. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the speedy deletion tags you're putting on the Palestinian village articles. The tag you're using is invalid, in that the articles are not empty. There is no speedy deletion criterion for real places. You might try PROD next, but I'll remove those, too, and I will !vote against any of them that you add to AfD, unless you can prove that they do not exist. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Huldra, we don't block people for creating stubs. Your report at ANI is absurd. Please don't make such reports again. If you think that an article should be deleted, take it to AFD. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Take a step back

I realize you don't like the fact that these stubs were brought into existence, but they're here now. Why not work with them? You can still qualify for DYK credit by expanding them five-fold. –xeno^talk 20:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• +1. I don't think we ever met, but from the smallest glance at your talk page edits alone I can tell it would be a very sad loss if you left Wikipedia because to that incident. I'm no fan of mass sub-stub creation myself, but the template used for those villages seems acceptable, and if you want to bring them onto the main page as DYKs they won't hurt as well, seeing that the minimum length of 1,500 characters guarantees a five-fold expansion anyway.
  So please, reconsider, if you will, if only to nag Blofeld to keep his promise and expand all those articles. :)
  Amalthea 21:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I will help flesh these out a bit over the next fews days.... Off for a shower and a kip now though... Mr. Bigglesworth gets restless when fellow wikipedians get upset... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Terrible news

Huldra, listen to me as one of your good friends on wikipedia and someone who has had the honor of working with you on dozens of articles, DO NOT LEAVE. Your retirement will most likely paralyze our efforts to improve the 1948 villages and other Palestine-related article subject areas. I'm not sure if you're fully aware of your importance in WP:Palestine, and so I believe I speak for all of our colleagues when I say you are extremely important here. I know this might seem a bit selfish, but you leaving would also deprive me of another friend on Wiki. Please rethink this. Now, I just noticed that all of the articles listed on the template have blue-links. At first I thought it was some technical problem, then I saw that someone just went ahead and created very basic stubs for each of them. This, I believe, was good-intentioned, but just bad judgement. Dr. Blofeld had all the rights to start those articles, although it would have been much better if he had taken part in what we have been doing for the past months/years; dedication to creating quality articles village-by-village instead of launching a massive effort to get rid of red-links by simply creating the most basic of stubs. If you want to start AfDs for most of the new ones, go ahead. While what's happened might have slowed down our efforts, it did not destroy or even damage them. I haven't worked with Dr. Blofeld in the past, but he seems like a good chap so let's assume good faith. Worst-case scenario is we go to the WP Palestine talk page and hammer out a different way to deal with the new additions. Personally, I really preferred the course we were taking previously. But who knows, perhaps this could stimulate our past efforts. Huldra, please reconsider leaving... --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I will help flesh these out over the next few days Al Ameer. Once again I say if you don't want articles started period do not red link them, and hide them from public viewing. Many of us don't like red links... P.S. my contribution shouldn't have changed what you were doing. This is more a conflict of interest.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The blue soup

To all who have given me notes, thank! I though I would do it the easy way, and answer you all here. (First, to Xeno: I really never cared that much for DYKs and all that..in fact I never even learned how to apply for them! --all I have gotten is because I have colaborated with users who *do* know how to apply for them ;-) )

What really I *do* -or rather did- care about was getting the 1948-village-articles into a reasonable good shape...and that is what (mostly) I have been trying to do on WP for the last few years. Sometimes it has felt like a race against the tide: there has been a lot of users, typically with very few contributions, who have started articles like this ...Al-Nabi Yusha' , which I have turned into this Al-Nabi Yusha'. Some are still not cleaned up, take Al-Ja'una

Now, in order to "navigate" around, to simplify my work, the huge, and not so pretty- template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Palestinian_Arab_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Palestine_War

..has been an absolute necessity. And the fact that at least half of the articles have been red-linked have been an essential part of making it easy to navigate. (I confess:...all these Arab names drives me nuts at times (I´m Scandinavian) --they all sound the same..;-D) But more seriously: It was after this template was made, that I could start work on these articles.

But when all the villages suddenly turned one big blue soup: I simply cannot find my way around anymore! Eg., I tried to find one of the Metawali-villages, normally I could look at the template and find any of them blind-folded (if you see what I mean ;)) ..now, I had to go *type* in "Metawali"... and click from there.

It´s not worth it.

I have tried and tried and tried to tell dr. Blofeld (and AN/I) that it makes work sooo much more difficult when all links are turned blue. Perhaps dr. Blofeld has younger and better eyes than mine. Whatever. But I *cannot* work in this blue soup. My head goes totally "swimming", trying to navigate by this template now. And since working on the 1948-villages was what I felt was most fun for me, well, that´s it.

And it is fine that people want to "flesh out" these new articles, but in order to do so one needs the proper tools. That is books. That means Khalidi, (1992), but also Morris (2004), Benvenisti (2000) ..and perhaps Pappe, Gelber, & Alu-Lughod. I hope those who so keenly advocate the creation of these new articles also make this investment. (Or please STFU).

To Al Ameer son: I tried to Adf the new articles (see my contrib)..but was told they couldn´t be deleted (see above.)

Also, to Al Ameer son; Tiamut; it was a privilege and fun working with you ...I will miss you, best of luck to you, take care, Huldra (talk) 22:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I would be happy to help you filter these articles into a list that you can work off. Though I share your dislike of formulaic article-creation, I think Blofeld's motivation is to give everyone a push in the right direction. You share common ground in that you feel these particular places are noteworthy. Best regards,–xeno^talk 22:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks, I really do appriciate your offer, but I already tried to speedy them, and it didn´t work. And to go throught a full adf for each of them will take zillion years... (And yeah, I´m sure Blofeld "meant it well". That is part of what is so horrible about it.), cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Huldra, don't make me beg. I have notified Tiamut about your departure, hoping that she could sway you into reconsidering. This is my advice. Take a break (maybe a week long? length is your option) from Wikipedia. Enjoy real life, relax (after all you live in Scandinavia—the place for relaxation, right?) Then come back and do what you do best here: improve the village articles. I have made my opposition on the mass article creation vocal, but if they have to stay, well, then we'll have to adjust our methods. As I've already stated to you and Dr. B, let's take this to the WP Palestine talk page soon so we could discuss ways to work on the recent actions. Maybe good will come out of it. I would hate the idea that you would leave us forever. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I´m sorry, Al Ameer son, it is not that I don´t want to, but I cannot. The template as it is now *literally* makes my head spin. A week, or even a months break will not change that. And if I cannot work on the 48-villages...well, I guess I feel like Nishidani who, if he could not work on the I/P-area, does not feel like working on WP at all. Except for me, it is dr. Blofeld that has effectively banned me, and not Arb.Com.....(I guess Blofeld has younger and better eyes that I do!). Anyway, I´m logging out for now, its late, take care, Huldra (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Mirroring Xeno's sentiments, I would be willing to help make lists of articles for you (you can exclude the ones that Blofield recently created). I also took a look at the template you linked above (here), and I can see what you mean... it is kind of large and messy. I'd be willing to fix that as well, making it look more like Template:Protected Areas of California, which is something I cleaned up extensively, made parameters for, etc. If you need any help with anything involving lists, editing, etc, you can let me know. Killiondude (talk) 23:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Huldra, Take a rest if you need to, then come back. You are badly needed around here. Zero^talk 01:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, but I don´t really need a rest (except from dr. Blofeld; I feel I have been run over by a bulldozer)..

The thing is: I cannot find anything in the 48-village-template anymore! And just *looking* at the template makes my head spin. Now, in order to built these articles I have copied ..whereever I could...from stuff in the previous articles, but now I cannot find the *exact* articles I am looking for in "the blue soup".. Like; I have recently added a lot of stuff from Petersen (2002),..and add all those he quotes. Now, before, there were so few articles, that I could always relatively easily find earlier stuff to copy...now I simply cannot find them. At least not as easlily as I did. Either I have to spend a *long* time looking for the right article, ..or I have to write the same thing all over again. And again.

Typically, there has been a lot of stuff that one could copy to 2-20 articles, say the 7 Metawali-villages, the 10-20 or so which are mentioned in Petersen, the 5-20 discussed in Benvenisti, the 5-10 discussed in Pappe. Alas, now I can´t find anything.

My idea was always that, in the end, the 48-village template should be collapsed...but as long as it was a "work in progress"; then it should be uncollapsed.

But now I give up.

I don´t have the strength to fight against guys like Blofeld, and his fans. If you can get Blofeld /anyone to delete all the 48-village- articles Blofeld has made the last 12 hours: then I´ll be back. Otherwise; I simply cannot manage. Sorry. Take care, Huldra (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC) (I am not exactly in the habit of leaving WP; this is the first time in 4 years. First, -and last.)

Dear Huldra, leaving en.wikipedia just because you don't like stubs created by someone is not right. Acceptable stubs may not add great value to the encyclopedia, but it is better to have acceptable stubs than red links. You've contributed positively to the encyclopedia, and please don't leave WP because of this dispute. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 03:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's make a master list on a project page, with all the articles classified as nonexistent, stub, needsmore and done. Then it will be easier to cooperate anyway. Zero^talk

And maybe this will help? It will show the links as red when the page size is less than 2000, so that catches most of the sub-ish stubs. (n.b. Error output when page is a redirect) –xeno^talk 13:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Xeno, I really, truly appriciate your effort and constructive suggestion. It just doen´t work. District of Jenin: Al-Lajjun; one of only two GA on the list is...Red. District of Safad: Ayn_al-Zaytun..the location of on of the nastiest massacres in 1948: Red. Other articles I have worked a lot on..Az-Zeeb and intended to work more on; Ayn Hawd...both Red. Etc. etc.

And, as I have said elsewhere: one thing is to fight with you "political adversaries"..but when you are steamrolled by those who say they agree with you; I´m out. Sorry. Again: really thanks for your help. Huldra (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hm mostly these errors are occuring because the template contains redirects. It would be better to link directly and pipe a regional name if it is different. Nevertheless, I see you are somewhat set on this... If you change your mind, my offer to help you organize these into better working to-do lists stands. –xeno^talk 16:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Nooooooooooo .....

Dear dear huldra, I understand your deep frustration with the cookie cutter style used to create the stubs for Palestinian villages. I too am deeply worried about such an approach. But its done now, and we have to deal with it, since no one seems to understand why this may be problematic. If you can only deal with it by leaving, I fully respect that. I had to leave myself for the first time ever a few months ago. I found though, that I could not stay way, and once I had calmed down, I continued to work on this labour of love. It would be very difficult for me to continue developing 48 village articles without you. As you know, I don't have access to the Khalidi book and only get snippets here and there from google books of other authors' works. I've relied on you to fill in the facts and just fancified the prose a little when needed. Like I said, I know wha its like to need a break. So take one. But please my dear huldra, do come back. I'll be waiting for you on pins and needles. Much love, Tiamut^talk 09:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts, she can rot in hell. Never come back you stinking nasty little bitch. One thing I hate is people who talk about other people behind their backs because they are too gutless to confront them in person. You go bad mouthing people like me and Slim Virgin and others off behind our backs. Really honorable behaviour. You are a weak person. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)