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October 15

What's the difference in type of filming used

Last night the NBC program 30 Rock was "Live" and the picture quality was different from the regular show. Was it the frame rate, progressive vs. interleaved, video in one and film in the other, or what? 20.137.18.50 (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see it, but presumably you got the right answer on the last guess: it's about the difference between film and video. 30 Rock is regularly shot on 35mm film. If you're watching a live broadcast you're not seeing film, of course, since film has to be developed, printed, etc. So the "live" show was broadcast live or previously taped on video, which looks very different from film. Video looks more "harsh" or "live" to most of us, so it's usually a bit jarring to see a switch from film to video. You'll see this occasionally on filmed shows, such as when they switch to video to show the viewpoint of a camcorder or surveillance camera; this was done several times on The Wire, for example. —Kevin Myers 14:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

There's also potentially a difference in setup, e.g. single-camera setup vs. multiple-camera setup. (30-Rock is listed in List of single-camera situation comedies). With their usual single-camera setup, when you have a back-and-forth conversation (camera goes from Jack to Liz to Jack to Liz, etc.), each "half" of the conversation is filmed separately, with the lighting and camera positions being readjusted, tweaked, and optimized in between. With a live show or multiple-camera setup, you don't have that, so instead they use a "flat" lighting and "decent" camera locations which work best for using all the cameras simultaneously, which gives it a slightly "rougher" look. -- 140.142.20.229 (talk) 17:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Btw, they did both live East Coast [http:// bit.ly/ cDOSa h] and live West Coast [http:// bit.ly/ blN2X Q] versions. Links can't get past the Wikipedia spam filter, so join up sections. Pepso2 (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, live video won't go through post-production color balancing and cleanup, so it won't look at clean. -- kainaw™ 18:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Where it gets interesting is when they use both in the same program. For one thing, British TV programs have often used film for exteriors and videotape for interiors. The "Larry Sanders Show" on HBO took a slightly different approach. The entire thing was filmed, except for the parts where the TV viewer is "looking through the camera" at the show-within-the-show. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Along those same lines, but slightly off topic, I'm sometimes amused at the flexibility of TV shows, particularly older ones, when it came to interiors and exteriors. In M*A*S*H, sometimes the exteriors were really filmed outside, sometimes in a studio. The same army camp "feels" very different depending on which approach was used, but the audience doesn't notice or care. The crazy part is when the overall scene was filmed outdoors, but the closeups were clearly filmed in the studio. Funny when you notice it. Many old films did this too, of course—old Westerns often shifted to the studio for scenes aroud the campfire, for example—but people don't usually notice. —Kevin Myers 02:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's too off-topic, as it's about filmmaking techniques. In the old days, the movie was more about the story than about the trappings. Using the same set of back-lot brownstone stoops in countless movies was a cost-savings, but as audiences became more sophisticated they started to notice, and the studios went for more expensive one-use location shooting and stopped using backlots and stock footage. Then there's John Ford, with his many films that put Monument Valley on display. I'm not so sure people didn't notice, they just accepted it because they knew "it was only a movie". You can get totally immersed in a movie's story and still know it's not "real". Movie "nitpicking" strikes me as being funny for itself. Of course there will continuity mistakes. A movie is an artificial reality, so it's going to have inconsistencies and oddities. Reality or "real life" is consistent, i.e. it's "real". That's part of why people react so differently to the countless "deaths" in movies vs. a real death that happens to be captured in film or photograph. I know what you mean about MASH, but it didn't really matter, as the story was the important thing. Star Trek, for example, was almost totally studio-bound, and when they would go outside in the bright sunlight, which casts harsher shadows (as with the episode where Kirk had to battle a biped lizard of some kind), the contrast is striking. And by the way, thanks to George Lucas we have another major difference, which is digital moviemaking. Maybe audiences can't tell when they've got the CGI going, but I certainly can. It may be sophisticated, but it still looks fake. P.S. They had campfires burning inside the building? Yikes. Presumably they had guys with fire extinguishers standing nearby, just in case. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

My favorite example of what Bugs is talking about is The Sting. The film is set in Chicago, but in long outdoor shots (especially the scene where the Waitress Loretta is shot), it is so obvious that its a backlot in California because of the large, chaparall-covered hills in the background. --Jayron32 03:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Spitting Image TV Show - Music

An item in the UK TV puppet series "Spitting Image" featured a puppet fly buzzing around various piles of rubbish/excrement. I'd like to know the name of the track used as background music, played on something like a kazoo to give a buzzing fly kind of effect.

Thanks, as ever, for your help Wikipedians!

BadmanMonkey (talk) 20:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen it, but generally The Flight of the Bumblebee is quite common for this sort of thing. 109.155.37.180 (talk) 23:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

That's not it I'm afraid. There are some similarities but the piece I'm after has a much lighter, sillier, tone. I seem to remember now that it might feature somewhere in the film Shaun if the Dead, possibly towards the end. I'll see where that avenue leads. Thanks.

BadmanMonkey (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Managed to find it via the Shaun of the Dead route; it's "The Gonk" by The Noveltones, in cas anyone else is interested - a masterpiece of cheesiness!

BadmanMonkey (talk) 14:06, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

October 16

is this song progressive house?

Is the above and beyond remix of Tonight by Dirty Vegas from 2009 a progressive house? When i first heard it, i thought it was chris jones or deadmau5, and they both do progressive house. Is tonight dirty vegas above and beyond remix progressive house? 204.112.104.172 (talk) 02:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the specific track, but in general Above & Beyond are exclusively a trance act. → ROUX ₪ 02:57, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, having listened to it on YouTube.. this is pure trance. A good DJ could include it in a prog house set if switching to a more melodic style, but is trance through and through. → ROUX ₪ 03:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

When i hear the song, i instentaniously think of Chris Jones (a dj from connecticut who specializes in house and progressive house) and Deadmau 5 (also progressive house), doesn't really sound trance, has more of a chris jones then a trance element to it, know what i mean? That's why i'm asking. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 03:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

track list for cd please

can someone please give me the track list for spg music's cd club hits 2010? I can't find it, and my screen reader is being finicky. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 04:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

This is what Amazon has:

1. Audio Playground - (A Little) Respect 2. Sharam feat. Chuck D. - Say Yeah 3. Sharam feat. Kid Cudi - She Came AlongAlex Kenji Remix 4. Fuzzy Hair feat. Miss Motif - Let's Work It (Yebele) 5. Benassi vs. Bowie - D.J.Planet Funk Remix 6. Robert Abigail feat. Dj Rebel - Merengue 7. Sebastian Ingrosso - Kidsos 8. Agnes - Release MeDj Rebel Remix 9. Beat Thrillerz feat. Elissa - Your Love Still Haunts MeCajjmere Wray's Haunted Extended 10. Yves Larock and Steve Edwards - Listen To The Voice InsideLuis Lopez & Kike Bronchal Remix 11. Guru Josh Project - Infinity Klaas Vocal Remix 12. Klaas - Our Own Way 13. Pronto - Gonna Make U SweatAlisson & Turner Remix 14. Benny Benassi vs. Iggy Pop - Electro SixteenAlex Gaudino & Jason Rooney Remix 15. The Outhere Brothers - Enjoy Crookers Vocal Mix 16. Deadmau5 feat. Rob Swire - Ghosts `n' Stuff 17. Fedde le Grand feat. Mitch Crown - Let Me Be Real 18. Tiësto and Sneaky Soundsystem - I Will Be Here Benny Benassi Remix 19. TV Rock feat. Rudy - In The AirAxwell Remix 20. Chuckie - Let The Bass Kick 21. Martin Solveig feat. Dragonette - Boys & GirlsLaidback Luke Mix 22. Calvin Harris - I'm Not Alone Tiësto Remix

There is also something called Club Hits 2K10 which has the following track listing:

1. Afrojack Remix)Mansion - Gasaida Milk Inc - Forever (Tiborg Remix)James Talk & Ridney - Forever Prok & Fitch pres. Nanchang Nancy - Walk With MeKalus feat. chris ainsworth - Use SomebodySelena Gomez & the Scene - Naturally (Dave Aude Remix)Tegan & Sara - Alligator (Morgan Page Remix) MC Mario - Welcome To The JungleDan Desnoyers - Turn It AroundGet-Far - The Radio Kaskade feat Dragonette - Fire In You New ShoesEdward Maya & Vika Jigulina - Stereo Love (Massivedrum DJ Fernando Remix)Mstrkrft - Heatbreaker (Laidback Luke Mix) Timbaland Ft. Nelly Furtado & SoShy - Morning After(Chris Lake Mix)

The second one has a much more jumbled track list and I'm not sure what is the name of a song vs the name of an artist/band. Maybe you can make heads or tails of it since you're likely more familiar with the music. Dismas|^(talk) 04:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks dismas, i'll see if i can find it when i go to wal-mart on Sunday. I usualy like to know the track list of a cd before i go alndlook for it, so i kno it's the right one. For the 2nd 1, i'll look for those names. I do happen to know turn it around by dan d-noy and welcome to the jungle by mc mario, so that helps. thanks dismas. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 04:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Trying to locate SF short story about robots and rapture

This question is actually two-fold. First, can someone help me remember a science-fiction short story? Nations use robot weaponry to fight their wars. The horn of Gabriel sounds and angels appear on the battlefields and take up the robots and weapons, leaving humans behind on earth.

Second, where is a good place to go on the Internet to answer questions like the one above?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.174.20.60 (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Here of course. Accept no substitutes. I remember the story. Humans use robot armies to fight the legions of Hell at Armageddon, while they sit back and watch. TVtropes says it was by Robert Sheckley, which sounds plausible considering his writing style. Still looking for the title. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Here we go. According to somebody here, it's "The Hour of Battle" (1953). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. The author is indeed Robert Sheckley, but the title is "The Battle." I think the story description at Dark Roasted Blend is mis-titled, since it more accurately describes "The Battle" than "The Hour of Battle" (which can be found at Project Gutenberg [1]. I located Sheckley's story "The Battle" in his collection Citizen in Space. The copyright page indicates that it was originally published in If Magazine in 1954. Thanks for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.228.238 (talk) 00:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

What Was That Book? is a pretty good place to ask, although you might need a LiveJournal account. 109.155.37.180 (talk) 01:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The question's been answered, but I'd just like to point out a (let's say) similar story by Philip Dick: Second Variety. The West and the East churn out robots for WW3, make them autonomous for best performance, and everything goes quickly to hell when the robots start thinking for themselves. It was also made into a fairly crappy movie - avoid that, just read the story. TomorrowTime (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking for an old program, possibly Nickelodeon...

I found it on YouTube once, it was of an old kid's sitcom of some kind, similar to Saved by the Bell. The main character dates a girl taller than him and begins to worry by fantasizing about her being giant. I can't remember what the program was called, but can someone find out the title of the program? It was not Ned's Declassified.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 20:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure it wasn't Saved by the Bell itself? There is one episode where Jessie daydreams about being enormously tall...I can't seem to find which episode, but it's possibly the first one, "Dancing to the Max". Of course that's not quite what you described, but similar. Adam Bishop (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. I remember in the video that there are a crowd of supposedly main characters standing on a street and then suddenly she shows up, but only her feet and legs can be seen bacsuse she's so tall.

I am good with voice actors, just give me the cast and i can look up their bios, find the show for you, and give you its name. Another thing you could do is to put the names of the characters in it somewhere, that's how i found out about the mighty bee. -- Anonymous, 22:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

The whole point is that I don't know any of that.

Could it have been one of the Degrassi (franchise) shows? It's been on the air in some form for like, ever... --Jayron32 00:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

October 17

clear up about confusion between types of house

What is the diference between progressive house and electro house? Please provide a link to a popular song from both on youtube. Also, what's the diference between funky house and disco house? do the same for that too, i need to clear up this confusion, there's so many types of house, and it can get confusing when i hear about more and more types of house. I remember back in the 90s it was just like 3 types of house, now, in 2010, it is now a whole jumble of subgenres of house. please clear up the types i mentioned with youtube links. -- Anonymous, 00:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, the differences between musical genres are very fuzzy around the edges, and when one gets to micro-managing the genres, such as identifying precisely the difference between funky house and disco house, is pretty pointless. It's funky house if it is a) House music which contains b) elements of funk music, while it is disco house if it is a) House music which contains b) elements of disco music. Funk and disco were not entirely mutually exclusive styles either, there were artists who clearly straddled the line between them. The sort of pigeonholing of artists or songs into increasingly smaller and more nuanced categories becomes impossible after a while. --Jayron32 00:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you identify what types of house these videos are? www.youtube.com/watch?v=90vMpv5Xfes www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklQiNR-Uro www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKdzvbp0FE www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWkL34iyv9Y That would help me quite a bit. -- Anonymous, 00:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy house, handbag house, happy handbag house, hardbag house, town house, country house, house house, french house, french town house, charnel house, mansion house, the house that jack built, Bauhaus, slaughterhouse*, soggy house, all back to my house, animal house, Huf house, randy house, Hugh Laurie's House, Mouse in the house, Adam House, Hatfield House, the White House, the green house, Hunterwasser House and so on... Juliankaufman (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

• 1 to 5 obviously

• Google for 'Ishkur's guide'. It provides a good overview of the major electronic music genres. In very, very general terms: progressive house is somewhat closer to the structure of trance inasmuch as it 'progresses' through a series of phrases to hit the peak of the song. Electro house is more 'electronic' sounding house with more lo-fi sounds, like electro. → ROUX ₪ 02:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Smallville the Movie?

Are they planning to make Smallville into the new Superman movie franchise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.128.161 (talk) 03:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Can't find a reference right now, but from what I've seen around previously, probably not. I think Zac Snyder's going to go for a complete reboot. Rojomoke (talk) 13:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Although it doesn't explicitly mention Smallville, this makes the "complete reboot" point. http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/10/15/zack-snyders-superman-will-not-be-based-on-previous-films-or-comic-books/ Rojomoke (talk) 12:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

What was this movie?

Some years ago I remember seeing a movie where a woman used a blond wig to mask her dark hair, and lived in a room hidden behind a brick wall panel. This was apparently because she was a suspect in a crime. What was the name of this movie? 98.116.90.160 (talk) 04:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

V for Vendetta maybe? Dismas|^(talk) 13:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

catherine thompson?

Can someone give me more credits for catherine thompson, other then her possible roles on biz kids? I tried looking her up myself but it talks about a diferent catherine thompson, not the voice actor. For the biz kids question, please answer it too, that will clear this one up too, need answer asap. thanks. Next airing of biz kid$ is on sunday (today) at 12:30 pm eastern time, 9:30 paciffic time on ksps (pbs spokane). In the credits, look for the voice behind capitalist peg and the biz quiz person to see who i mean. Without the name of this person, my research is ruined. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but googling "Catherine Thompson" "biz kids" doesn't turn up anything useful. I'm not in the US, so I can't watch the show as you suggest. I understand why you can't yourself, but is there no one there who can do so for you? Rojomoke (talk) 12:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Like i said, i would ask my friend but, he tends to mess around, and by that i mean tell too many jokes, so not really no. You can get pbs spokane in canada if you live between bc and ontario i believe. it's on in just over a half-hour, and my friend is gone out of town. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 15:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Next biz kid$ is at 7:00 pm eastern 4:00 paciffic time on ksps (pbs spokane) 204.112.104.172 (talk) 22:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Lee Harvey Oswald

Would anyone know if there are any songs out there which refer to Lee Harvey Oswald? Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not very specific, but you will some references at Dare (album), Assassins (musical), and Marilyn Manson (band).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Also have a look at John_F._Kennedy_assassination_in_popular_culture#In_music. Alansplodge (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Also see Mudcat [2]. Pepso2 (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Elvis Costello, Damnation's Cellar. Karenjc 21:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a million for all your replies. This has been a big help! Cheers--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat related... Sympathy for the Devil originally was to have the lyric "I shouted out 'Who killed Jack Kennedy?'" (our article and some sources just have "I shouted out 'Who killed Kennedy?'"), but Robert Kennedy was killed during the recording and the lyrics were changed to "I shouted out 'Who killed the Kennedys?'" more or less on the fly. Matt Deres (talk) 03:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Also "I'm Just a Patsy" by Manic Street Preachers. the wub "?!" 14:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe I've heard that last song. What a great title!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Check out 11 Miles an Hourfrom the What Up Dog?CD by Was Not Was.Chief41074 (talk) 15:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

1960's or 70's Canadian movie

In it, this mute woman named 'Eve' was forced to live with this woodsman named 'Jonathan'. Latter, she fell in love with him. What movie was this? GoodDay (talk) 23:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The Trap? Oliver Reed plays a character named Jean La Bête, but otherwise it fits your description exactly. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

That's the one. GoodDay (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

October 18

Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2010_September_16#BPM.TV

Definitely not Barbie Girl.199.126.224.245 (talk) 00:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Streaming delays on House?

I've always been curious as to why there's a online streaming delay for House episodes on both Hulu and Fox's "On Demand" part of their website. I think it's something like eight days. Does anyone know why this is? None of Fox's other shows have this restriction that I know of. Is their some kind of special circumstance? Thanks in advance! --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 01:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

MAJOR HELP GUYS!!!!

Hi can anybody please help me find some websites where in I can download Tania Doko's song called JOYRIDE. Please...I heard this song from a movie called Step up 3 and damn it's so good but i can't find this song anywhere even in Youtube....please help me find this song so i can download it!! FUTURE THANKS!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.167.75 (talk) 05:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

We don't help people pirate copyrighted material, sorry. Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

finding British TV comedy in US (legally)

Is there any (copyright-legal) place for a (US) person to get the Charlie Brooker British TV comedies -- Screenwipe, Newswipe, the TVGoHome sketch show? 128.194.250.38 (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

We don't help people pirate copyrighted material, sorry. Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

How about helping people watch programs legally, which is what the OP actually asked about. 82.44.55.25 (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

If the British DVD versions are available, one possibility that some US Britcom fans (and Japanese anime fans) use is to purchase a second DVD player, and re-set it to DVD region code 2. You have to be slightly careful in your purchasing decisions, but a fair number of DVD players can switch region codes, at least a limited number of times. If you have two players, one for Region 1/US disks, and one for Region 2/Europe&Japan disks, you can swap between the players without using up the limited region switching possibilities in each individual player. You also need to be careful to get a player that will successfully mediate the PAL/NTSC format differences. -- 174.31.221.70 (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

As I noted above, these shows are not available on DVD. --Viennese Waltz 16:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Damn, there used to be a complete archive by a dedicated fan of Screenwipe/Newswipe up on YouTube, and I seem to recall it was endorsed or at the least tolerated by Brooker himself. But I just went looking for it and the account has been deleted. Unfortunately they aren't likely to ever come out on DVD, because of the large number of clips from other programs and the ensuing rights issues. the wub "?!" 14:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

How to kill a baby in The sims 2?

i want to kill my baby girls as i already have one i want a boy so i want to kill the baby is there any cheat in the game

PS:i dont want the social worker to take it Rahul^{Text me} 14:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

See this. You will want to turn on cheats, create a tombstone, and select how to kill the sim. -- kainaw™ 14:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want to use more traditional methods of killing a child or infant sim (eg: watching them burn or starve) you need to mod the game. just google sims 2 mods and im sure you will find one of the mods that allows you to kill child/infant sims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.167.165.2 (talk) 02:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Does that come with the India graphics set? ;) Wnt (talk) 05:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Dang, dude! WHat's wrong with you? XD Though I believe that Kainaw is right. 64.75.158.193 (talk) 08:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Movie

Resolved

 – Smallman12q (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking for a movie (or maybe television movie) in which a male after getting electrocuted gets the ability to float. I believe the movie was a comedy (I think).Smallman12q (talk) 18:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I found it...its Ernest Goes to Jail.Smallman12q (talk) 18:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

sports host

Lets say if the city host a multisports event and decided not to host some of the sports like for Summer Olympics it cannot host canoeing, equestrian, gymnastics, modern pentathlon, and skating for Asian Games events due to its lack of facilities for that sports. does the host will get a penalty? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.33.186 (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

As was mentioned earlier, a city unable to host all the sports is not going to be selected via the IOC to host the Olympics. Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

However, in any Olympics some events will not be staged within the actual city limits. For example, in the 2012 "London" Games the sailing events will be held in Weymouth which that article says is 195 km from London. All the sports listed (not sure about gymnastics?) might well need to be hosted outside the designated host city, but this will have been part of the original bid, so accepted by the IOC or whoever makes the decision. -Sussexonian (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Likewise, the Equestrian at the 2008 Summer Olympics happened in Hong Kong, not Beijing, which was the host city. As already mentioned, this was likely worked out years in advance, probably as part of the bid. It wouldn't ever get to the point, like a few weeks before the event, that the host would say "Sorry, we don't have any basketball courts. So we're not playing that". These things are vetted years in advance, and if there are problems, they are dealt with years in advance. --Jayron32 02:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

At least Beijing and Hong Kong are on the same continent. At the 1956 Summer Olympics the equestrian events were held almost 10,000 miles away from the main site of the games, and almost 6 months ahead (presumably so it would be summer for both sets of events). But, as mentioned, this was decided well ahead of the games actually starting. --Anonymous, 05:42 UTC, October 19, 2010.

Apart from that example, the general practice of holding some of the events quite some distance outside the official host city has gone back at least as far as 1956. That year, the rowing events were held on Lake Wendouree, near Ballarat, 110 km NW of Melbourne (the lake, which was Ballarat's main domestic water supply, has since completely dried up due to drought, but it's making a comeback). In 2000, various events were held in Canberra, 285 km SW of Sydney. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 07:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Agnes Moorehead Biography misses Carousel

AGnes Moorhead played Mrs Mullen the owner of the Carousel in the 1956 Version of the movie Carousel. This is not listed as one of her film credits.71.168.64.77 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC).

Do you have a reference for that? It's not listed in her entry on IMDb. If you do, why not add it yourself? Anyway, Wikipedia filmographies are usually selective, not exhaustive. Rojomoke (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The IMDB page for the 1956 Carousel (as well as other sources) says that Audrey Christie played Mrs. Mullin in the film. We don't seem to have an article about her, but the French Wikipedia has a stub. Deor (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

poddling 1 in cyberchase

who voices poddling 1 in cyberchase episode 107? is the article on list of cyberchase characters right? 204.112.104.172 (talk) 22:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The credits don't say. Dismas|^(talk) 04:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

October 19

There's a Hole in my Bucket

In the famous nonsense song (above) Henry asks Liza "with what shall I fix it?". And she answers, "With a Straw, dear Henry". Would someone kindly explain how you can fix a hole in a bucket with a straw - that turns out to be too long and needs to be cut with an axe that is too dull and needs sharpened on a stone that is too dry and so needs to be wetted with water that has to be collected in a bucket - but the bucket has a hole in it? Thanks. I did say it was a nonsense song but my question about the straw still stands. 92.30.178.149 (talk) 11:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

A (piece of) straw can be the stalk of any grain or grass. In the song, they aren't talking about a drinking straw. By the way, the song has an article at "There's a Hole in My Bucket". Dismas|^(talk) 11:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I always understood it to be straw, not a straw, i.e. a bundle of stalks. --Viennese Waltz 12:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I always thought it was (mass noun) straw, as in thatch. But our rendition of There's a Hole in My Bucket currently has "a straw". I can't see how that would be useful even if it was a very small hole. But how would you thatch a bucket anyway? The various renditions on the Internet do not seem to agree.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The way that I've always taken it was that Henry was to stick a stalk of some grass or grain into the hole and then cut off the part that protrudes from the bottom. After all, if he set the bucket down, the straw could be pushed up and out of the hole. Dismas|^(talk) 12:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

But with an axe??????92.30.178.149 (talk) 23:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a bit of overkill, but it'll get the job done. Also, the use of "a straw" is likely to make the words fit the meter of the song; lyrical choices are often made as much for fiting meter or rhyme as for making sense. --Jayron32 03:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

The article refers to its derivation from a German drinking song, which seems to be confirmed by discussion at this forum. The original words, in one version, were "Mit was soll ich'n awer zu schtoppe / Liewer Heinrich, Liewer Heinrich / Mit was soll ich'n awer zu schtoppe / Dummer Ding, mit den Schtroh!" Translated: "What should I plug it up with / Dear Henry, dear Henry? / What should I plug it up with? / Stupid thing, with some straw!" Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I just played the version of the song on the double LP This is Harry Belafonte, and there the lyric is definitely "with a straw". I've always taken it to mean a piece of straw. By the way, on this version both the title and the lyric go There's a Hole in the Bucket. --Anonymous, 19:37 UTC, October 20/10.

Fred Astaire's anti-gravity walking stick

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFabjc6mFk4

At 2:58. How did he do it?

It looks like the walking stick that he kicked away at 2:54 was simply taken away by the crew. The 2:58 stick was placed there in advance. It looks like that the stick has a string attached, but how did he swing the stick with a piece of string attached? -- Toytoy (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Note that he repeats the trick shortly afterwards, when the stick has not been out of shot just beforehand, and that later he and an entire chorus line all do it again, simultaneously. I can envisage thin, invisible (to the camera) lines - think nylon monofilament fishing line - being used that would then snap and not impede subsequent manipulations (the article actually alludes to such filmic sfx use, and it had been invented some 6 years before Blue Skies was made), but the millisecond-perfect timing (assuming that's how it was done) is still mind-bogglingly impressive, and there would also have to be at least two unnoticeable cuts in the apparently continuous filming to enable the setups. Hopefully someone who really knows will respond.

Doh! The film's article specifically refers to "a concealed floor trigger mechanism" while discussing the routine's filming, and that the routine took "five weeks of back-breaking physical work" requiring multiple combined shots of Astaire - the "chorus line" really is all him, not a team of look-alikes as I'd assumed. Moral: check the relevant Wikipedia articles first! 87.81.230.195 (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

• Glad you found your own answer -- and thanks for getting me to watch that impressive video! --M@rēino 20:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

song name

whats the song at 0:46 of this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8GJWakHo6Q —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kj650 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

"Song 2" ---Sluzzelin talk 16:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Laugh light?

What would you call those things that are often found on the sets of TV shows with live audiences that tells them to laugh or react some other way? I tried searching laugh light, laugh monitor, but didn't find anything. Thanks!  ?EVAUNIT^{神になった人間} 22:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know what you're talking about but you might be thinking of cues(stage?) 70.241.18.130 (talk) 22:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I think of it as an Applause sign. Aaronite @ 72.2.54.36 (talk) 23:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

• (Original research alert) -- as far as I know, applause signs have gone out of style with American TV companies. I haven't ever been to a Los Angeles studio recording, but I've been to a few in New York, and they just have a person (usually one of the writers or actors) go in front of the audience before the recording and encourage the crowd to laugh, cheer, etc. whenever they want. --M@rēino 20:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

October 20

sunday morning beiber tragity need to know or just hope's myth

My friend hope clames to have read online that Justin beiber died on sunday morning after falling 6 storries out of the radecin inn hotel in germany, and did not survive. She says that he was looking out the window to see someone in the parking lot, and the window was opened. He leaned over toof ar and fell out. He was found on sunday morning and was pronounced dead after the fall. How will justin's parents deal with this? shoulden't Need to know have a special on this, what will the annoying beiber feaver people do? Note that i don't like justin, I'm just asking this to confirm what hope read and to get her off my back. Please answer asap, When will Need to Know have a report on this? is it true? -- Anonymous, 01:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Nope, there is zero news on Bieber's death, so it's (and this is a technical term) bullshit. The internet tends to pick up stuff like this real fast, and the only story on Bieber is the continuing coverage of that "laser tag" incident: [3]. --Jayron32 02:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Justin Beiber is more or less constantly the subject of outlandish death rumors.[4]. Most of these rumors seem to start at 4chan, a message board known for (among other things) orchestrating tasteless hoaxes. APL (talk) 02:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

How can i tel if hope found it online or if she just made it up herself, i mean she was at the computer, where did she read this 'sunday morning ' insadent? Why would she make this up? -- Anonymous, 03:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC) Your friend probably read it somewhere else. Perhaps an email was sent to her, perhaps she read it on a forum, or Facebook or something. Like I said, there are many hoaxes about Beiber's untimely demise, your friend was probably fooled by one of them. APL (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Even though i hate beaber, i can say this for him: it's not fair to make up that kind of stuff about him, it could effect his loved ones(selena is not his girlfriend, it's just an act). Note by loved ones i mean family, not the screaming girls or kimmie kardashian (also just acting) Also, note that hope don't mind me using her name on this. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 09:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

inna a biz kid?

Is Inna a biz kid? someone that sounds like her and clamed to be a singer was on one of the biz kids episodes, Is Inna a biz kid? I would like to know if it is her, so i ask again, Elena Apostoleanu, are you a biz kid? 204.112.104.172 (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Please identify this music

Hello.

I'm trying to identify the music I recorded here and I'm hoping the people that read this could help.

I've heard a longer version than the 1 minute snippet here, and I'm trying to find it.

I would appreciate it if I could at least know the name of it, or even better, if I could know how to obtain the longer version somehow.

Thanks in advance.

Rudyvalencia (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC).

You could try List of jazz guitarists and take your best guess... --Jayron32 06:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds to me somewhat like Pat Metheny, but I'm not an expert on his music. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Help identify singer and song

During the summer I saw a video where the singer (a pretty female with long, dark hair) is shown on a beach and at the end is rescued by a good-looking lifeguard. Does anyone know the name of the singer and song? Thank you. Oh, the video also shows a group of guys watching her with their ice-cream cones melting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Any info on the style of music? Modern or sixties, etc.? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Modern. The singer is young and has a very high-pitched voice. The song's lyrics contain the word fire--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I've exhaustively searched through all the videos I can find containing "a pretty female" but, sadly, with no luck. Shall I try again? Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Michael Douglas - Was his career "sidelined..for three years" by an accident

At Michael_Douglas#Personal life this article says:

"In 1980, Douglas was involved in a serious skiing accident which sidelined his acting career for three years. In September 1992, the same year Basic Instinct came out, he underwent treatment for alcoholism and drug addiction at Sierra Tucson Center."

I was looking for a reference for the skiing accident and can't find anything concrete. There is mention of a past skiing accident for which he eventually had a knee replacement in 1999. No "sidelined for three years". The mention of his "alcoholism and drug addiction" only appears in this section. It is all unreferenced, and has been in there at least 2 years. Anyone know if any of this is true or not and a reliable source? - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 09:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I found an (syndicated) interview from 2006: Goodridge, Mike (2006-04-13). "I'd rather be a good dad than a big star again". Evening Standard. Retrieved 20 October 2010. which has "A sideways move into producing, initially on One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest in 1975, enabled him to cast himself in meatier big-screen roles, starting with The China Syndrome in 1979, then - after an earlier three-year career break necessitated by a serious skiing accident in 1980 - in Romancing the Stone in 1984 and its 1985 sequel, Jewel of the Nile....He was treated for alcohol abuse then, allegedly, for sex addiction". A slightly different version summarises:

"1980-1983: BAD YEARS Skiing accident keeps him from acting for three years.

1992-2000: BAD YEARS Treated for alcohol abuse and alleged sex addiction (1992)."(Goodridge, Mike (2006-04-13). "My 3 years as a house-husband". Evening Standard. Retrieved 20 October 2010.)

For some odd reason, the news service I checked gave two slightly different versions of this article; the Evening Standard archive only has one. --Kateshortforbob _talk 14:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply and links, Kateshortforbob. I certainly 'Googled' and found information on this scarce/non-existent. I am surprised that the text has apparently never been challenged, considering the BLP issues WP has had. The first link, directly to the London Evening Standard article, does mention 3 years not working as a result of a "ski-ing accident". The 2nd link still gives very few details. The original was updated on "13.04.06", which raises the possibilty that it originated on Wikipedia. I cannot see/find the the original publishing date. I will have to investigate when the "serious skiing accident which sidelined his acting career for three years" appeared in the WP article. It may be bogus! Also, Douglas appears to have had two 3 year carreer breaks ('80-83, '03-'06). His alledged addictions appear to be on shaky ground too, in which case they must be removed from his bio. - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 16:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Found it! 210.10.180.109 (talk · contribs) added both the 'accident' and ' alcohol treatment' here at 08:21, 24 November 2004. Almost 6 years without a source! So it pre-dates the newspaper articles. Seems to be totally unverifiable. Comments please? - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 17:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I was a bit concerned, but didn't have the time to follow up at work. There is a distinct possibility that the interviewer got his background information from Wikipedia, although I would like to think that Douglas' "people" would have chased him for a retraction if it was untrue. I searched Nexis for Michael Douglas + skiing + accident + career and this was the only relevant article, apart from a very brief piece in the Hindustan Times which also mentioned the skiing accident. I did a further search, and found an editorial in the Independent (Is King Kong bound for the Palace roof?, Lynn Barber, 27 September 1992) which says,

"THE CURSE of Hello! strikes again, but in an interesting new form. A few weeks ago the magazine featured Michael Douglas and his wife Diandra showing off their holiday house in Majorca. In fact they showed off the house so much it looked like an estate agent's ad, and I wondered in my cynical way if the couple were splitting and selling up. Sure enough, the Sun revealed this week that Michael Douglas is being treated in a clinic for sex addiction after his wife caught him in bed with one of her best friends. A clinic for sex addiction! Whatever next? It is called the Sierra Tucson Centre in Arizona and officially Douglas is in there for drink and drug problems but really he is being treated for sex addiction."

I have to be honest though, news gotten second-hand from the Sun wouldn't be my first choice for verifying a BLP. There is also an article from the Hobart Mercury (?) which has, "Michael Douglas, the star of the recent psycho-sexual thriller Basic Instinct, is so afflicted by his sex drive that he reportedly admitted himself to an Arizona clinic for therapy...At a Tuscon rehabilitation centre where Douglas is reported to be taking part in a 90-day program with other addicts, he stood up and said; "I am a sex addict". Douglas blamed his insatiable sexual drive on drugs, alcohol and the negative images of women he was taught as a child." (Sex, the new designer addiction, Sandra Lee, 26 October 1992). Actually, now that I've changed the search terms (oops) to Michael Douglas + alcohol + addiction, there are a ton of sources on the addiction thing. The events reported in the Sun appear to be widely accepted as fact in the press in 1992-93. He apparently went public in 1994 with an interview in Vanity Fair, but said that he was, "a recovering addict: from alcohol, not sex. Douglas, who stars opposite Demi Moore in the sexual harassment drama "Disclosure," which opens Friday in Atlanta, said his roles in "Basic Instinct" and "Fatal Attraction" generated false reports of a sex addiction. "These characters were sexually driven," Douglas says. "The media got this great handle from the film and rode with it. I can't believe people are so titillated by this." Douglas added that he entered Arizona's Sierra Tucson clinic to deal with the effects of a "cumulative lifestyle" that included excessive drinking." (Peach Buzz TALK OF OUR TOWN Test her, and she's got news for you,A Scott Walton, Atlanta Journal and Constitution, 6 December 1994). I haven't managed to track down the original Vanity Fair article, but he recently did another interview for them to publicise the new Wall Street film, where he briefly mentions it [5]. No more luck with the skiing part, except I confirmed that he does/did ski.--Kateshortforbob _talk 17:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you 'Kateshortforbob'. I have actually removed the two relevant sentences. I hope I won't be accused by anyone of 'white-washing' as I care neither way. It is just that the statements were totally unsourced and had been since they were put into the article almost 6 years ago(!), (to my chagrin by an Australian editor as I also am) as the only edits from that IP. Indeed Douglas skied and in an interview said he had a knee replaced in 1999 as a result of a past skiing accident, but that's all I found on that subject. (My 'Google Fu' may be lacking)
I think a major problem may be the ski-ing event pre-dates the Internet, so a 1980 skii-ing accident may be a bit hard to locate. I also wonder if there is some confusion between Michael Douglas and his son, who I recall had addiction problems. The treatment center mentioned apparently exists Sierra Tucson - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 02:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

please identify types of house music for the following songs

Can you please identify the type of house music the following songs are:

• let the beat hit 'em by Asbo featuring Catherine Ellis (soul avengers remix)
• most precious love by blaze featuring barbra tucker (freemasons remix)
• love what you feel by house bros and bretalics featuring Joy Malcom
• Space ship by Benny Benassi
• Same man - tilwest and Dj Delicious
• Sugar by Armond Van Helden (paperfaces Remix

It would be varry much appreciated if you can identify the types of house that these songs are, thanks so much. I often get confused between electro, funky house, disco house, and progressive house. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 10:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Why wouldn't a biker bar want anyone to request Bruce Springsteen songs?

See #9 here: http://www.mojosbar.com/advice/

What's so bad about Bruce Springsteen in American Biker culture? --70.179.178.5 (talk) 11:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

He's a liberal – a word that has negative connotations in certain sections of American society, including probably biker culture. That's the most likely reason. I know a fair bit about Springsteen and I'm positive he has never said or done anything specific to antagonize Bikers. --Viennese Waltz 11:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I would hesitate to assume that American bikers all have similar political views, and I would hesitate even further to guess that they are all anti liberal. Close inspection of the web page that the OP has linked reveals that the bar is actually located in Korea. Perhaps geography has something to do with the reason? (edit): Furthermore, I wouldn't base a solitary bar's web site statement forbidding the request of a certain artist to even begin to make a statement for any type of general culture. As far as we know, that statement could be a running joke of the establishment, as in perhaps the owner or bartender simply have a dislike for Springsteen.10draftsdeep (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Bruce Springsteen music for soccer moms, like Bon Jovi and John Mellencamp? Adam Bishop (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Help with third party articles for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Silvers

I recently edited Dean Silvers page, and I was given "cookies" for providing accurate information, however a few days later the messages "This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources. (May 2010)" appeared.

I am Dean Silvers' son (Forrest Silvers) and I am a part of his company, Dean Silvers Associates, and have been credited in all his films, I am reliable, third-party and I provided reliable, third-party citations from magazine articles on the page. What else can I do to get rid of that message at the top of the page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Silvers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fsilvers (talk • contribs) 17:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

You are not a third party reference. See Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources for more on that. Since you are related to Dean Silvers and are directly employed by his company, you actually represent a possible conflict of interest. Dismas|^(talk) 20:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

is Stephen Fry getting fat again?

? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.11.114 (talk) 18:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Watching the latest episodes of QI I'd have to say yes. During series 7 he was very thin, almost dangerously so. He's putting on weight again, although he's not as fat as he once was. 86.202.212.113 (talk) 18:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

He is currently filming Sherlock Holmes 2. He may need extra weight for the role. Then again, he may just be packing on a few extra pounds. -- kainaw™ 19:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

October 21

Not him again!

Why does Michio Kaku keep popping up in every single science TV show I watch? -- œ^™ 00:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Because he's stalking you Why does anyone become popular amongst any segment of the population? I realize that I'm answering your question with a question but sometimes people just become popular. Various show producers want that person on their show and then it just catches on. Dismas|^(talk) 00:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Probably because he relates science facts and futurist notions with current issues (Gulf spill, nukes, global warming), making unusual concepts plausible without sounding like an extremist. He also laps over into science fiction, raising the question: Why not instead have Joe Haldeman, Robert Silverberg, William Gibson and other science fiction writers talk about science fiction? Pepso2 (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

When does Countdown repeat?

What time (in the Eastern time zone) does Countdown with Keith Olbermann repeat after midnight? The schedule guide on my cable system is not correct and I can't find it on their website. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

When is Nissae Isen's Birthday

When is Nissae isen's birthday in 1997? -- Wendal 204.112.104.172 (talk) 03:25, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

we no speak americano version diferences

What is the diference between the MARCO CALLIARI and Yolanda be cool versions of said song, other then the diferent people? they sound like song clones, but with a diferent voice. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 03:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

For starters, the Yolanda Be Cool version is sung with a prominent saxophone accompaniment.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)