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November 23

Lenght of Ray Charles' What'd I Say single

Does anybody know the lenght of each side of What'd I Say single by Ray Charles? I asked here but it seems a desert page...thanks! Greetings from Italy ^^ --BMonkey (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This label shot suggests that Part 1 was 3:05. Different lengths seem to be given in different sources for Part 2. The usual version now released, of Parts 1 and 2 together, unedited, is about 6:28, but I believe the original "Part 2" B-side may have been a shorter edit (rather than being simply that part of the whole song not included in "Part 1"). Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I found something on Discogs here, where it says Part I is 3:05 and Part II 1:59. Thanks for the help! --BMonkey (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that - it implies that a lot of the original (and now usually released) recording was not contained on either side of the single - which is possible, though I have seen other lengths quoted for Part 2. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Dr. Oz Show

I'm a fan, but recently noticed him hawking some very specific products, which I suspect he was paid to do on his show. If so, this obvious conflict of interest makes me suspicious of any advice he gives. So, is it true, or not ? StuRat (talk) 21:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea, but I would never rely on one person for advice, and especially not a TV personality. If you're unsure, always seek professional, independent, third party advice on everything.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most common song title

After seeing that there are at least 3 famous songs entitled "Crazy", I wanted to know the most common song title in popular music, or at least in the 20-21 century. Is there one? Finalius (Ecru?!) 21:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quickly flicking through the index of Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles 1955-2002 suggests to me that a leading contender must be "Hold On" - with 13 different songs of that title reaching the Hot 100 in that period. As follows: The Radiants (1968), The Rascals (1970), The Sons of Champlin (1976), Wild Cherry (1977), Ian Gomm (1979), Triumph (1979), Kansas (1980), Badfinger (1981), Santana (1982), Donny Osmond (1989), Wilson Phillips (1990), En Vogue (1990), and Jamie Walters (1995). And that doesn't include Sam & Dave's "Hold On, I'm A Comin'" (1966). "Crazy" had 11 songs over the same period, not including a "Crazay", and also not including the Gnarls Barkley song which was more recent. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to this discussion (about 4/5 down), "Come Together" has 55. "The name of this game, really, is just to search using the 'song' field on www.allmusic.com (it tells you the composer, so you can weed out the covers)." Clarityfiend (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But are they "famous"? Only the Beatles' song of that name is listed in the Whitburn book of Hot 100 hits up to 2002 (albeit in several versions). Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He or she asked for "the most common song title in popular music". I don't see "famous" in there. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If a song never made the Hot 100, then just how "popular" can it be? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well... there is the rest of the world, of course.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's needed, then, is a list of every song ever written in the history of humanity, and a process to weed out the "covers". That would be a time-consuming project. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:07, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The thread posted by Clarityfiend ~~is misleading~~ misled me, because it's clear in context that "Come Together" is used as an example, not as a record-setter. If you search for songs called "Hold On" on Allmusic, you get a claimed total of 4194 "occurrences" here, and at least 800 different songs of that title by this search - that is, 22 pages with at least 40 songs on each. I haven't checked other titles, but it's clear that "Hold On" is a more common title than "Come Together". Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is my response misleading? What's "clear in context" is that that was the most anyone in that discussion found, and that's what I stated, not that it was a "record-setter". Please stop putting words in my mouth. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please read what I said. I didn't say anything about what you said, I commented on what that discussion suggested.Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes. My apologies. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not trying to give a definitive answer, but... If you do the "Whitburn test" (see above), followed by the "Allmusic test" (again, see above) for the most "occurrences" - which should (but may not) give different songs of the same title - the four top "scores" that I can identify are for "Hold On" (4194), "Tonight" (4098), "Crazy" (3883), and "Without You" (3645). If you then carry out the Wikipedia test, of checking out how many songs are listed on the relevant disambiguation pages, "Hold On" lists 42, "Tonight" lists 38, "Crazy" lists 26, and "Without You" lists 37. So, that confirms "Hold On" as a potential "winner", across three separate criteria. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/l/li/list_of_sets_of_unrelated_songs_with_identical_titles.htm - this is an ex-wikipedia article. Exxolon (talk) 22:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Summertime" had 7000+ occurences at allmusic. "Angel" had 3900 at allmusic and 50+ in wikipedia. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 01:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another tonight song, Dirty vegassings it, and it is from 2009, Chock one up for the tonight team. Together is another common song name, Not come together, but just together. or with you, but i can agree with the hold on thing, though i haven't done a thurro search of together and with you. N.I.M. (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 24

Michael Jackson Replaced-Lisa Marie Presley Married Replacement-Comment

Enough already

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

When the non-Onion News LAW ENFORCEMENT investigation is complete there will be plenty reliable sources concerning the identity of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was reported missing in early 1993 and this started an LAPD investigation and a Federal investigation. I consider this discussion ended and do not wish any further help from the Reference Desk.70.145.222.142 (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a question, and [1]. Seriously, it started with a joke website. And if you don't want help from the reference desk, there really is no purpose in you posting. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking Wikipedia to consider that there was reliable information apart from the website.70.145.222.142 (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Music pages, lyrics in songs

why do the articles about individual songs never contain the lyrics for them? surely this information is easy to obtain and incredibly relevant to the articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.73.214 (talk) 02:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two reasons:

1) Lyrics are generally copyrighted text. That means that the person who wrote the lyrics has the right to decide how and in what manner the lyrics are published. By publishing song lyrics in Wikipedia, then Wikipedia is violating the rights of the person who wrote the song, breaking the law, and is thus liable for damages against that person. Because of this Wikipedia does not publish copyright violations, see WP:COPYVIO.

2) Wikipedia encyclopedia articles are supposed to be, among other things, well written. Quality writing is much more than random lists of facts about a subject. There is an art to writing prose, and when Wikipedia articles are at their best, (see Wikipedia:Featured articles for some examples) the writing itself is pleasant to read. Quality articles about songs will discuss the lyrics, and may quote short passages for the purpose of analyzing those passages. However, simply writing the complete lyrics in the article itself doesn't make for great reading. In other words, just like everything else, there are editorial decisions when writing Wikipedia articles; that's why the best Wikipedia articles don't just look like someone vomited facts on the page, without regard for the flow and readibility of the text. So, even IF a song's lyrics are in the public domain, I would recommend against printing them in the article for the simple fact that they don't really belong.

If you want to find lyrics of songs, there are dozens of websites which publish them. I'll bet you can find them without help, so you don't really need Wikipedia for that... --Jayron32 02:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More information on Wikipedia's policy regarding including public-domain text: WP:NOTREPOSITORY and Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Man abducted by aliens: video clip

Sometimes I see what I think are really great video clips of songs on this small community channel, and never see them again anywhere else. I was wondering if someone can help me find this one, maybe on Youtube. I’m not sure how to search for it there.

The clip was set like a retro sci fi movie in which a man is held captive in a space ship by these creatures with big heads with only one eye in the middle of them. He is teaching them how about baseball. Intercut with these scenes, his wife / girlfriend is waiting for him on Earth at some designated place. It becomes obvious that he has been abducted by these beings and it has been arranged for them to return him on some particular night at some place. (This is quite an elaborate plot for a video clip, especially as there is no dialogue to show any of this, you just have to work it out yourself.)

Then, on board, the abducted man gets the aliens to pitch him a baseball, and he bats at it, sending the ball straight at one of them, and into his eye. (Are you with me?) You see them begin to advance on him. Then we cut to a field at night, and the wife finds her husband lying in a crater with smoke all around. She looks at his face. His eyes are no longer there, just dark craters! He opens his mouth, and there, on the end of his tongue, IS AN EYE.

Now why isn’t something as superb as that better known? Great music too. There’s quite a few like that. I’ve only ever seen it that once, about three years ago, and would LOVE to see it again. Can you help? Myles325a (talk) 08:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Pettigrew was a dear friend of mine. We met while studying at Berklee College, Boston, USA and i have some facts i would love to share in his respect.....

Charles Pettigrew was a dear friend of mine. We met while studying at Berklee College, Boston, USA and i have some facts i would love to share in his respect. I am crying as i am writing this so bear with me. Charles was one of a kind. A wonderful human being, generous beyond belief, gifted, sweet, uninterested, simple and i had the priviledge of working with him as we were students. But a student he did not need to be. He knew it all but never showed it... he passed away so soon like most gifted, human and smiling person... All i am trying here is to give you a few anecdotes which can be verified by other Berklee alumni such as Nicholas Sansano, record producer now teaching at Tisch NYU and Mark Oltarsh, guitar player and composer, currently working for a famour publishing house in NYC. I do not have any self interest in this but to first praise your site and the work you do and when i come across a matter that concerns me, i am thankful. So, i just thought it would be the right thing to do but to help in any small way i can. And Charlie came to mind first.

Like i said, i have little cute stories about charlie and us, musicians and also when he told us, back from nyc, he had met a guy in the subway. You know the rest... I last saw Charlie after a Crowded House concert in 91 at Studio 54 where myself, Nick Sansano bumped into him and Eddie and happy we were... I you need or like or wish, i can say a few things about charlie... i would also love to get in touch with Eddie which i briefly met but have no trace of, and just be a part of your huge experiment which i command you for. Let me know how to send you data or participate as it is complicated to my now fibromyalgic brain to take in. My email is <redacted>. If Eddie would want to get in touch, i would be honored of course and please let me know how to put together facts, real facts about people i met, cared for, loved, worked with. Being the center of attention is in no way my attempt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.171.199 (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read our article on Charles Pettigrew ? It's just a stub, really, and you could edit it to add any facts you know of. Don't be too worried about it sounding "non-encyclopedic", as someone will come along and fix that. Remember, Wikipedia is edited by everyone, including you, not just a group of "experts". StuRat (talk) 03:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed your email address, as it's not a good idea to have it on the reference desk, but otherwise, I can only agree with StuRat. If you have any sources that back up your stories, that would be great too! --Worm 09:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Right, please be aware that Wikipedia requires reliable sources, so your personal anecdotes can't be used unless you can provide sources that support them. Corvus cornix_talk 19:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Accent used by Carrie Kenny on Kim Possible

What accent does Carrie Kenny use on Kim Possible when she voices the Bebes? Sounds european. N.I.M. (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Example clip of a Bebe voice, for any refdeskers who are trying to answer this. (I'm assuming this is the right voice; I've not seen the show myself...) Vimescarrot (talk) 00:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that's the right voice. What kind of accent is Carrie Kenny doing? N.I.M. (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a rather subtle accent, but perhaps I hear a bit of Russian in there, when she says "Kyim" and "myinimal". You might want to post that clip on the Language Ref Desk, and see what they say. StuRat (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wish i could, but i don't know how to do that stupid capsha thing, because it doesn't pick up on my screen reader, otherwise i would be more than willing to. N.I.M. (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 25

Wild CArd MLB

Let say that in the American League, the wild card title was won by Toronto Blue Jays and new york yankees won the east division title. I want to know is that does the MLB make the decision whether the wild card blue jays face the central division winners or west division winner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.23.220 (talk) 04:06, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The wildcard team ALWAYS plays the division winner with the best overall record, UNLESS it is in the same division as the team with the best overall record, in which case, it would then play the second best team. So, lets look at these scenarios:

Scenario 1)

New York Yankees (AL East winner): 100-62
Toronto Blue Jays (AL East, Wild Card winner) 90-72
Cleveland Indians (Al Central winner): 102-60
Oakland A's (AL West winner): 82-80

In this scenarion, New York plays Oakland and Toronto plays Cleveland (#1 division winner plays WC, #2 plays #3). In this case, New York and Cleveland would both have home field advantage (the teams with the better record)

Scenario 2)

New York Yankees (AL East winner): 100-62
Toronto Blue Jays (AL East, Wild Card winner) 90-72
Cleveland Indians (Al Central winner): 88-74
Oakland A's (AL West winner): 82-80

In this scenario, because two teams from the same division CANNOT meet in the first round, New York plays Oakland, and Toronto plays Cleveland. In this case, New York and Cleveland STILL have home field advantage, because the division winner always gets home field advantage even when they have a worse record than the wildcard team.

Hope this makes sense. --Jayron32 04:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, more simply, the wild card team plays whichever of the winners of the other two divisions has the best record. Fine, but what if those two teams had identical win-loss records?

Scenario 3)

New York Yankees (AL East winner): 100-62
Toronto Blue Jays (AL East, Wild Card winner) 90-72
Cleveland Indians (Al Central winner): 88-74
Oakland A's (AL West winner): 88-74

I know that a playoff game is used if two teams contending for a particular postseason berth have identical records, but would Cleveland and Oakland have to schedule a playoff game just to determine which one played against Toronto? Or is there a tie-breaking criterion, or do they assign them randomly? --Anonymous, 05:00 UTC, November 26, 2010.

There's probably a tie-breaking criterion; I am not sure specifically how it would be broken down here, but based on other sports tie-breaking criteria, they could use things like head-to-head record between the tied teams, runs scored, run differential, league wins (throwing out interleague games), wins against common opponents. It is quite unlikely that they would run out of metrics to judge which team was slightly better. In the NFL, this is much more common because they only play 16 games. In baseball, where they play 162, the chances of teams having identical records, down to the number of runs scored and allowed, is, if not impossible, is improbable enough not to worry about. So, in short, they will have some pre-agreed upon way to break ties, on paper, between the Indians and the A's, and whichever team comes out on top via the tiebreaking procedure, the Blue Jays will play them. --Jayron32 15:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I was hoping for an answer from someone who does know. --Anonymous, 01:32 UTC, November 26, 2010.

You don't have to go too far back to see a practical example - the 2004 National League.[2] The Cardinals had the best record and their divisional rivals, the Astros, had the lowest record of the four qualifiers, so the Astros had to play the Braves in the first round instead of the Cardinals. Cardinals beat Dodgers, Astros beat Braves; Cardinals beat Astros to win the league championship; Red Sox beat Cardinals to win the "world championship", i.e. the World Series. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:54, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The website "Baseball Reference" has a complete listing of tiebreaking rules, taken from the official baseball rules. In the situation you cite, in which the division winners are tied and you need to determine which one playes the wild card, it says:

If one of the Division winners tied for the highest winning percentage is from the same Division as the Wild Card:

The Division winner from the same Division as the Wild Card cannot play the Wild Card in the Division Series. The other Division winner tied for the highest winning percentage plays the Wild Card.

If neither Division winner tied for the highest winning percentage is from the same Division as the Wild Card:

A tiebreaker system will be used to determine which Division winner with the best record plays the Wild Card.

The first tiebreaker will be head-to-head competition between the two Clubs during the championship season. If the Clubs remain tied, then the tied Clubs with the higher winning percentage in intradivision games during the championship season. If the Clubs remain tied, then the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in intraleague games during the championship season. If the Clubs remain tied, then the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games during the championship season. If the Clubs remain tied, then the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in the last half plus one of intraleague games during the championship season. This process will be followed game-by-game until the tie is broken.

Does that help? — Michael J 19:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What recordings did Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau make in Hebrew and Hungarian?

Such recordings are mentioned in the third paragraph of the Wikipedia article on him, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Fischer-Dieskau. I have not been able to find references to this elsewhere on the web, except through quotes from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.154.85 (talk) 09:54, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fischer-Dieskau's DG recording of Bartók's Bluebeard's Castle conducted by Wolfgang Sawallisch is sung in Hungarian. He made an earlier recording of the work, conducted by Ferenc Fricsay, but that one was sung in German. ReverendWayne (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for Hebrew, while I have not heard the recording to verify that it's sung in the original language, the reference is presumably to Stravinsky's cantata Abraham and Isaac, recorded by Fischer-Dieskau on the Orfeo label, in a performance conducted by Gary Bertini. ReverendWayne (talk) 01:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Nikolai Borisovich Galitsin

I am searching for a portrait of prince Galitsin, who commisioned Beethoven to write his last string quartets (opp 127-135) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.136.148.208 (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask the Golitsyn Museum[3]. However, there were an awful lot (520) of princes Galitsin![4] Alansplodge (talk) 10:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Alansplodge: I did ask the Hermitage Museum. No answer. And yes, there were many princes Galitsin, but only one Nikolai Borisovich. I am amazed there is no portrait to be found of this man, having commisioned the most incredibe pieces of music. Our western civilisation is deeply indebted to him. But then, with that legacy who needs a portrait? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.194.249.26 (talk) 13:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Ocean's 12" and "Clair de Lune"

Is "Ocean's 12" the only movie in the "Ocean's" series to not feature "Clair de Lune"? I thought I remembered at least a partial rendering of it in all the "Ocean's" but it is only on the soundtrack of 11 and 13. If it is in 12, might it not be on the soundtrack due to the brevity or perhaps obsecureness of it in the film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.186.63.39 (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack albums often leave things out, in order to prevent the album from being 2 hours long. If you have a video of 12, you could watch it again and see if you catch it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

itsreal.com

There is a website called itsreal.com and I want to know who are the female models for this website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.19.226 (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The models (male and female) are people just like you and me, only they've been heavily photoshopped. Despite the name, none of that is real :) TomorrowTime (talk) 18:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mona Love

Where can I find more bio of this model: Mona Love and her filmography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.19.226 (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent acclaimed sci-fi films

Which recent sci-fi movies (of 2000s) received generally positive reviews? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.77.158.172 (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moon (film). To some extent Solaris (2002 film). You might want to browse through Category:2000s science fiction films. --Viennese Waltz 21:36, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No reason why an animated film can't also be a sci-fi film. WALL-E. --Viennese Waltz 21:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About three years ago Rotten Tomatoes compiled a list of the top 100 SF films of all time, based on their user ratings. It's discussed at Uncertain Principles, which you'll find easier to access than the list on Rotten Tomatoes itself. IMDb have a thoroughly up to date chart here. Of films made in the last ten years Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Minority Report, Children of Men, The Host, Inception, and WALL-E all figure in the top 10 of one list or the other, or, in the case of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, both. Antiquary (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Box (2009), based on a Matheson story, had mixed reviews, but Ebert liked it. It certainly held my interest. Pepso2 (talk) 23:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can't forget District 9. Awesome film (and did very well, both critically, and at the box office). More mainstream, the three latest Star Wars films have received mixed to positive reviews, and have all done very well at the box office. Recently, the Star Trek film was both a critical and box office success, as was Avatar. Buddy431 (talk) 00:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Stargate Continuum, V for Vendetta, Lord of the Rings trilogy and Serenity. StuRat (talk) 04:33, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and Lord of the Rings trilogy are not science fiction. --Viennese Waltz 08:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sole distinction between sci-fi and fantasy is whether or not the magic is explained away by psuedo-scientific-sounding explanations or not. See Clarke's third law. --Jayron32 16:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Other then what's already been said and presuming you mean greater positive then negative, Matrix Reloaded [5] (but not Matrix Revolutions [6]), Terminator 3 [7] (but not Terminator Salvation [8]) and I, Robot (film) [9]. Are you including direct to DVD and the like? If so perhaps Stargate: The Ark of Truth [10] (although with only 4 total). I would guess take a look at Category:2000s science fiction films and perhaps 25% would have greater positive then negative. Nil Einne (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 26

Irish or Scottish impression on kim possible and cyberchase

Is it an irish or scottish accent that Duff Killigan on Kim Possible and Gimmy the Golf Pro on Cyberchase speaks with? N.I.M. (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Duff Killigan is definitely supposed to be Scottish (he wears a kilt and tam and all that). I've never seen the other show, and no golfer is mentioned in our Cyberchase article; but I'd guess that it's a Scottish accent there as well. Golfers are frequently depicted as Scottish, since the game was invented in Scotland. Deor (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Total Eclipse of the Heart

Who did the choreography for the video of Total Eclipse of the Heart? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was directed by Russell Mulcahy, but you probably knew that. This in-depth analysis, unfortunately, doesn't mention a choreographer. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting link, thank you. I've got a feeling the choreographer might be Arlene Phillips - she choreographed Wild Boys for Mulcahy, and there's a definite air of Hot Gossipitude about Eclipse. DuncanHill (talk) 11:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts entirely, though I failed to find any confirmation, and one would have thought it would have been mentioned somewhere. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information on Visage backing singer

Does anyone happen to know the surname of Lorraine, the backing singer and dancer who performed alongside Perri Lister for Visage's TV appearances on German and Italian television? Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it could be Lorraine Whitmarsh. She is in Hot Gossip with Perri Lister in this YouTube video. The other possibility is Lorraine Doyle, here, who was also in Hot Gossip, as well as being in the Benny Hill Show - more details about her in an interview here in which she doesn't mention any connection with Visage. I could well be wrong though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the two names and wasn't sure which Lorraine was in the Visage television clip. She's much shorter than Lister which could be a clue.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 27

Me No Popeye

Resolved

Who sang the early 1980s song Me No Popeye? Was it Kid Creole and the Coconuts or their offshoot Coati Mundi? I had the single, but cannot recall who sang it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Umm... in a way, both. But it's "Me No Pop I", and usually credited to Coati Mundi. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:51, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah Andy Hernandez...it's all coming back to me now. Thanks a million.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

God Bless Anguilla

Hi, I'm looking for either an electronic (preferably free...) copy of the sheet music of this piece, or a MIDI other than the one on this page – thanks! ╟─Treasury Tag►presiding officer─╢ 16:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Live vs Recorded Broadcasts

Just wondering...

At what point is a "live broadcast" no longer considered as a live broadcast and therefore called a Recorded Broadcast? Is it >5 secs, >10 secs or >5 mins or something else ?

What's the main difference's between:
1. Live Broadcast
2. Live Feed
3. Recorded Broadcast

Wanting to know this for a project I'm am doing on Broadcasting. Paul2387 chat 17:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our article defines "live broadcast" as one "without a significant delay." I take "significant" to mean anything substantially more than the five- or ten-second obscenity delay. Be careful, because the labeling of the broadcast may not be accurate, though. GolTV has on several occasions claimed that a Bundesliga game they broadcast was live, when it was in fact delayed by 30 to 45 minutes and should have been labeled "Premiere". Now, for the difference between "broadcast" and "feed": a "broadcast" goes to a "broad" audience, while a "feed" is normally behind-the-scenes, for example the "wild feeds" of sporting events that pop up free-to-air on C-band satellite. They are intended to be received by a broadcaster in a different location from the event. Xenon54 (talk) 19:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have been making a table about live broadcasts compared to Recorded broadcasts which you can see here and need some opinions on any mistakes or anything which could be added to make it more useful for inclusion in the Live Television Article. Paul2387 chat 19:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect season

When was the last time that a MLB team had a perfect season? When was the last time that a NBA team had a perfect season and when was the last time a NHL team had a perfect season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.154.41 (talk) 20:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article perfect season which lists a number of examples. -- 174.24.198.158 (talk) 20:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And according to that article, it's never happened. Given the long seasons in those leagues, that should not be surprising. (In the early days of the NHL, at least, the season was much shorter, but nobody had a perfect season). --Anonymous, 01:21 UTC, November 28, 2010.

The more games there are, the greater chance of losing at least one of them. The NFL through the years has had just a few perfect seasons. The number is obviously greater at the college level, and some college basketball teams have had perfect seasons, but that's with 20-something games rather than 80-something. In terms of won-lost percentage, the closest any MLB team has come to a "perfect" season is the Chicago White Stockings of 1880, when they went 67-17 for a .798 percentage. The record for wins in either a 154 or 162 game season is 116, which is in the .750 neighborhood. Going back to the National Association (predecessor to the National League), the Boston club went 71-8 for an .899 percentage in 1875, which would translate to 145-17 in a modern schedule. The NA was not a stable organization, and the results tended to be skewed: Brooklyn went 2-42, for example, and that lopsidedness helped to destroy the NA. But even with all that, no one went undefeated. The Cincinnati Red Stockings of 1869, a barnstorming team, went undefeated, and I would say that's the first and last time a major professional ball club has accomplished that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

diference between androyd and cyborg

What is the difference between an androyd and a cyborg? Can you please use characters from Kim Possible for examples? Thanks. N.I.M. (talk) 22:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the android and cyborg articles? I've never seen anything related to Kim Possible, so I can't use any examples from that with any helpful degree of accuracy. Dismas|^(talk) 00:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the cyborg has a good deal of complicated language, but can someone give me examples of cyborgs and androyds from kim possible? I haven't watched terminator and all that stuff,, and i know there are some of each in kim possible, but the voice effects are the same for both. N.I.M. (talk) 01:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The distinction that has been broadly traditional, though not universally observed, in written Science Fiction is that an android (note spelling) is a human-like entity created (mostly) by artificial biological processes, while a cyborg is an originally human entity that has been significantly modified (perhaps to the extent of no longer having humanoid form) by the addition of or fusion with mechanical components - technically, anyone with an artificial limb, organ or implant (such as a pacemaker) is a cyborg. By contrast a robot is an entity that may or may not be humanlike in form and is made predominantly or entirely from mechanical components (in Science Fiction, at least human-level intelligence is genErally also assumed). These distinctions may have been less rigidly observed in moving-media science fiction (which traditional SF fans have historically called "Sci-Fi"). Ironically, in the work from which the term "robot" derives, the 1921 play R.U.R. (for "Rossum's Universal Robots) by Karel Čapek, the "robots" are what came to be defined as androids.

Like the previous respondent, I'm unable to supply examples from Kim Possible as I've had no exposure to it. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 09:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone watch kim possible episodes Queen Bebe and A sich in time future. both are found on youtube. There is the Bebes, the Security Drones, and Robo Duff, which is which? N.I.M. (talk) 11:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Bebes are robots of humanoid appearance; that would make them androids according to some definitions, but not that offered by 87.81.230.195 above. The security drones in A Sitch in Time are flying robotic devices that aren't humanoid; they look something like flying saucers and are neither androids nor cyborgs. RoboDuff calls himself "the world’s deadliest golfing cyborg", so I think that one's pretty clear; he's basically Duff's head in control of a mechanical body (something like RoboCop, on whom the name was no doubt based), so he's indeed a cyborg. I think a clear example of an android in the program is Eric in the So the Drama movie. Deor (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holey Creeps! Eric sure is an androyd, he fools kim into thinking he's a human, and they don't even fing out until the end, pluss, they don't do that voice effect on him like they did Bebes, and Robo Duff. Eric must be that much like a human, it would be cool if we met a real androyd like that, well, as long as they are not evil. N.I.M. (talk) 23:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 28

Losing season team getting into NFl playoffs

Barring the 1980- somthing strike (I want to say 82, but I'm not sure) caused conditions, is there any way a team with a losing record can get into the playoffs? (I believe it's going to have to be as a wildcard) I know the Chargers got in back in '08 with an 8-8 record, so I was wondering if that could be applied to, say, a 7-9? Buggie111 (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason why a division leader can't have a losing record. Have you checked the NFC West lately? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the expanded playoffs of 1982, as a result of that years strike-shortened season, no team has ever yet made the playoffs. Strictly speaking, the worst record a team could have and make the playoffs is 3-13. In order for that to happen, every team in a division would have to lose ALL of its out-of-division games, and the teams within the division each split their 6 games with the other divisional foes. That would leave 4 teams ALL tied with a record of 3-13, and then one of them would have to go to the playoffs, whichever won the relevent tie-breaker, which is probably total points scored. --Jayron32 01:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. And Clarityfiend, the Seahawks are 5-5. I'm a Pats fan by heart, but I once lived in the area of the NFC West and have seen it's low-level graduation rate. Buggie111 (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My Hawks (sob) could easily lose to Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and ~~possibly~~ KC. That leaves the 49ers, Rams and Panthers. One loss there and they'd be below .500.

The Rams will probably lose to the Saints and maybe to KC. One more loss in three divisional games or against the Broncos, and they're 7-9.

The 49ers are guaranteed a losing season with two losses, say to the Packers and Chargers.

Arizona Cardinals? Do we even have to go there? Dallas should beat them, and one more loss against one of the other sad sacks on their schedule would do them in.

So it wouldn't surprise me to see the first losing playoff divisional leader come out of this miserable excuse for a division. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, 1982 was the year of the strike. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to start bickering with you, but the Cards made it to the Superbowl two years ago, and (drumroll...) they actually had a winning season! Oh, and it's nice to know your'e a seattle fan. I rooted for the hawks in the superbowl back in '04. Buggie111 (talk) 03:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just for fun, try getting into the playoffs in the CFL. There are only 8 teams, and 6 make the playoffs. As long as you aren't the bottom 2, no matter your record you can make it in. Aaronite (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

British Film about Ardennes Offensive

Does anyone know the name of a low budget British film made pre-2003 about the Ardennes Offensive of 1944-45, and seen from the point of view of the German SS forces that took part? I watched it (on video in Japan) a long time ago and have been looking for it ever since, but I can't remember the name of it. As it was a low budget film, there were no actors that I recognize in it so I can't give any hints there. The voice of Graham McTavish greatly resembles the voice of the main actor in the film - it could be him, but I can't find anything in his listing on the IMDb that could be the film, plus I am not sure if it even is him. I can say that it was produced by (at?) BBC Pebble Mill Studios. --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 02:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Bunker was a low-budget 2001 British film about German troops (don't remember if they were SS) in the Ardennes Offensive, but I can find no link between this film and Pebble Mill. Does anything on our page or the IMDb page look familiar? --Antiquary (talk) 10:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the one. I haven't seen that before, but I think I'll be interested in it. Still, it's this other one I was looking for. I have some more information. It was filmed with the help of '[something] Battle Group' - presumably a re-enactment group. --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 12:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TV in UK

I have a digital aerial and the tv keeps pixillating on ITV channels. Is it the weather? Kittybrewster ☎ 10:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chess positions with the most queens, rooks, etc. of one color

What is the chess position with the most queens of one color which has occured in an actual chess match? What about rooks, bishops, and knights? --84.61.183.12 (talk) 10:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean grandmaster level matches (they rarely, if at all, go beyong a queen and/or two rooks, and the like)? or any old game? The former is relatively to research, but going through all the recorded matches ever created would be probably impossible. regardless, a chess game database (fritz?) would probably be the most useful... 70.241.22.82 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See the first external link in World records in chess. 67.162.90.113 (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

in track listings, indicate writer or producer? why?

In articles on albums, in the track listing section: Why is the 2nd column 'producer' instead of 'writer'. In an article I want to edit may I make a songwriter column on addition to the producer column? Albums do indicate who wrote the song as well as who produced it afterall. I recall 8yrs ago back when WP start the 2nd colum was 'writer'. Is 'producer' the new format? Thank You. 69.243.24.147 (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide an example or two? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:12, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should the question be passed to Template talk:WikiProject Albums? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Siamese twins in football

Hi everyone. What would happen if siamese twins decided to play in a football match? Would they be counted as one or two players? SwampyQ2 (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They would count as two. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These sorts of things are never really specified in the rules. There's no way to know for sure until some ruling body makes a ruling on it. APL (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to imagine any scenario, outside maybe the Special Olympics or a P.E. class, where any coach would even consider using conjoined twins on an athletic team. But if so, they are separate souls, and would logically have to count as two players. The Hensel twins, for example, had to take the driving test twice, even though it was the same "body" driving both times. That does raise the question, though, as to whether they have played any kind of sports. I'll see if the article says anything about it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Googling [hensel twins sports], there are many references (many of which are parrots) indicating that they play sports, but no apparent information as to whether they count as one or two. I would also beware of linking to those pages, as some of them appear to be adware sites. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

November 29

some mystery songs

Some songs that I thought of but haven't heard in a while have titles that evade me.

A popular hard rock song with the lyric "I'm holding on/I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinkin'..."
An easier rock song with the lyric "It's just you and me, and all of the people..."
Another odd rock piece with something about a chameleon lying in the sun.
A popular song with the chorus "Looking at you through the glass/Don't know how much time has past..."
and an alternative song with the chorus "If I traded it all away...for one thing".

They might be obvious, but I don't know how I'm supposed to search for a song title on google with just lyrics like that. Thnx. 75.73.225.224 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

To search for the songs on google, try breaking the lyrics into smaller chunks and keeping quotes around those. For instance (from your first example), if you search for: '"I'm holding on" "I'm six feet" lyrics' google suggests that you're looking for One Last Breath by the group Creed. 24.91.31.112 (talk) 01:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. You and Me by Lifehouse

3. Run Runaway by Slade

4. Through Glass by Stone Sour

5. One Thing by Finger Eleven. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 02:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

description of voice synthesis for characters in kim possible (yes another kp question)

Can someone please give me a description of the voice synthesis used for the Bebes, the (queen bebe), Robo Duff and the Security Drone (a sich in time future), and the Blender (Car Trouble, (also known as drivers ed)) from kim possible? I just need a description of the voice synthesis used, and episodes are found on youtube. Please answer asap. N.I.M. (talk) 03:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Debussy's Water Music

In high school we were taught that Claude Deussy composed an entire Suite of what was called "Water Music." I hae been able to track this music down without success. Aside from his "Reflections on The Water" I have been unable to locate anything even close. It has been my understanding that the featured instrument was the flute as he composed for flute. I would like to get a CD if possible. This is not homework. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.174.209.146 (talk) 03:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure it was Debussy? Both Handel and Telemann had water music suites. Maybe it was one of these? --Jayron32 05:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you thinking of La mer (Debussy) ? meltBanana 14:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune opens with a famous flute solo, but it isn't about water and isn't a suite. I presume you've looked at List of compositions by Claude Debussy. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beatles song

I recently heard a song on the radio and could only pick out these two phrases from the lyrics: "All the other kids..." and "round and round". It sounded like a Beatles song, though I am not sure. Does anyone know the song? Thanks. --119.155.2.24 (talk) 08:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those lyrics are in Eminem's "As The World Turns". Not easy to confuse with a Beatles song though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's as far from the one I heard as can be. It sounded old and was no rap song or anything.--119.155.2.24 (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Pumped Up Kicks" by Foster the People - here? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

YES! Thats the one! The "round and round" is actually run and run. And the part where they sing it sounds like The Beatles. Or is it just to me? Thanks! --119.155.118.116 (talk) 12:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which Fleetwood Mac LP?

Resolved

From which album does their cover of blues song Ooh Baby derive? I can remember hearing the song at parties back in 1974, so it had to be from an LP released prior to that year. Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fleetwood Mac in Chicago/Blues Jam in Chicago, Vols. 1–2. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! Thank you Ghmyrtle.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, it took me no more than 15 seconds to find that info by quickly looking through the list of albums at Template:Fleetwood Mac....! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had checked through all their studio albums but overlooked this one. The name Blues Jam in Chicago should have given it away! As I said, I can vividly recall hearing it played over and over at the parties I attended back in 1974. I knew it was Fleetwood Mac but couldn't figure out which album it came from. Thanks for your speedy response.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never Say Never Again

It's been a long time since I watched this film. I just happened to be reading the plot section of the article, and it says "Bond witnesses a mysterious nurse beating her patient in a room across the way". It doesn't say why the nurse is beating her patient, which is atypical behaviour for nurses. (They are both SPECTRE agents, so might potentially have any number of nefarious reasons to behave oddly.) I don't think this is vandalism - it appears in an edit of 9 December 2008, along with a lot of plausible-sounding plot information. Why the beating? 81.131.32.97 (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Led Zeppelin

Here's a question for Led Zeppelin's fans: which is the first song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCYKP1JaUZo ?

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 It's been a long time since I watched this film. I just happened to be reading the plot section of the article, and it says "Bond witnesses a mysterious nurse beating her patient in a room across the way". It doesn't say ''why'' the nurse is beating her patient, which is atypical behaviour for nurses. (They are both SPECTRE agents, so might potentially have any number of nefarious reasons to behave oddly.) I don't think this is vandalism - it appears in an edit of 9 December 2008, along with a lot of plausible-sounding plot information. Why the beating? [[Special:Contributions/81.131.32.97|81.131.32.97]] ([[User talk:81.131.32.97|talk]]) 16:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Led Zeppelin ==
+Here's a question for Led Zeppelin's fans: which is the first song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCYKP1JaUZo ?