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Hello, Doug Weller. You have new messages at MatthewVanitas's talk page.
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Dear Dougweller

Are you an wikipedia-employee??? If yes, Jimmy Wales must know about you. If no , what is ur authority to create absurd pages with wrong informations ?

I don't care about what you think , and i don't want people to get wrong informations. So,please co-operate.

NisarKand sock?

Judging from this "new" editor's, Afghan25, contentious attitude and editing on my talk page,[1][2][3], would indicate a blocked user. Initial post on my talk page was clearly hostile followed by two more posts which claimed I added the Ferishta quote[4](actually added by user:Intothefire), along with a personal attack("But lets forget about your prejudice and ignorance"), to "I hope the feeling of being vanquished doesn't hurt too much.".[5] I have removed the latter two posts which had absolutely nothing to do with the Ferishta quote and were nothing but blatant personal attacks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Link to sockpuppet investigation.[6] --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

A while back someone suggested he was a possible sock of 2 people, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lagoo sab/Archive and [[7]]. Dougweller (talk) 13:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

You can add this IP 94.201.32.35. [8] --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Please read this nonsense.[9] wow. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I've been out most of the day (on a game cooking course), too tired now. Tomorrow! Dougweller (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The IP is obviously the editor and I'd be surprised if he denied it. CU can't be used so if you want an SPI you'd need diffs. So far I don't see anything I can really do and as I really, really need to trim my watchlist I don't want to get involved editing the article. Sorry, but Wikipedia is eating into my life too much and too much of my Wikipedia work is eating into stuff I really want to do on Wikipedia. Dougweller (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Nishapur

I noticed an IP editor has added material to the article on Nishapur. It is all unsourced, and material was included under "Geography" that really belongs in other sections. I also noticed that the sections are not in the same order as they are in other articles. I compared it with the order in Thessaloniki. I don't want to scare off a potential new editor by undoing the edits. Even an edit summary like "Removing unsourced material" might do that. The article clearly needs work. What do you recommend? CorinneSD (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure is the guideline for article organisation you want. Why not start a friendly discussion on their talk page about sources? And on the article's talk page about organisation. Dougweller (talk) 12:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Ahmadiyya

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 05:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@George Ho:. Done, the problem isn't going to go away. Dougweller (talk) 12:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Abusing multiple accounts

Hello. Agustin.leon21 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was given a short block by you on 8 October, and a warning not to continue to add unsourced/made up numbers etc to articles, a warning he did not heed, instead creating Agustin.leon20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and just continuing with his disruptive edits. Agustin.leon20 was then blocked indefinitely by Edgar181 on 13 October for disruptive edits and abusing multiple accounts. Which didn't stop him either, because he's now back as Agustin.2110 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), doing the exact same kind of edits on the same articles, so could you please put a stop to both Agustin.leon21 (which has obviously been discarded since it hasn't edited since 8 October, but is currently not blocked) and the new account Agustin.2110? Preferably with hard blocks. Thomas.W ^talk 18:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

• Dealt with through WP:AIV since he just went on and on. Thomas.W ^talk 20:09, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: Good. Sorry, I've been out doing agility training with my dog and then some TV! Dougweller (talk) 20:36, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

cherokee origin

as my people the aniyunwiya-cherokee origin is scattered among many scholars there is no one in particular. you mentioned that john Haywood conclusion was not valid simply because others theories yes theories meaning not fact have risen. today many Cherokee believe in many origin stories, many as which as we always been in the south east,also migrated from Mexico which many anthropologist suggest and that we came here from Asia,DNA studies even conclude that the early ancient Americans came from Asia ...One theory listed on the Cherokee page says that we were once part of the Iroquoian nations ( That may be true but that doesn't denote an origin. John Haywood clearly states our origins are from southern Asia that doesn't discard the Iroquoian myth it just dates our origin before Iroquoian contact. Also the theories on Cherokee is discarded by many of us today in many different ways , so just because one theory is not as popular as another doesn't mean it doesn't hold any truths. I know John Haywood conclusion is apart of our history as every other theory plays its part...so they are no cherry picking im planting more cherries, you are cherry picking by discrediting and who ever discredits a theory about a mysterious origin. Key word ( theories ) of origin. and every theory should be valid and any can not be ruled out as specially john Haywoods' because it doesn't criticalize the Iroquoian myth it predates it. If scholars and scientist can say we come from Asia cool, then their should not be any fuss about John Haywood pointing a particular point on the Asian origin. All Cherokee's do not support the myths on the Cherokee page so that should not be up there as well, who can say what theory is creditable or not , my people have many theories and much should be heard , just because it discreditable / rejected by 1 person doesn't mean its rejected by all..its my history and im passionate about it and its not to be played with or be held of bias information all information has its part.Historicfuture12 (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The Cherokee origin stories are known in the community. I don't think there's anything ambiguous about the old, traditional ones. However, as you know, the rise in pan-Indiansim has muddled things a bit, especially in books by non-traditionals and on the intarwebs. You wrote, "DNA studies even conclude that the early ancient Americans came from Asia ..." That statement is untrue. The land bridge theory was controversial from the beginning, and linguistics and DNA show that, to the extent it was relevant, it involved traffic both ways across, and has nothing to do with the Natives from other parts of the landmass. - CorbieV^☊ 17:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

The Cherokee stories in the communities vary they are more then i can count, yes some are some more prevailant but they are still theories. DNA studies conclude many natives have Asian and all type of DNA, as the Bering strait goes i wouldn't say its false i would say some people came that way also many came by boat and sailed the oceans and seas as early Dravidians did and is mentioned in old sanskrit tect that they reached america in ancient times, many indian scholars and american scholors agree on that, also north African moors came as well this is documented throught united staes treaties and so on. the Dravidians and north african moors were expert navigators and came to America in ancient times way before and Caucasian european sailed the oceans as they had no reference of navigation they simply thought the earth was flat, in columbus's notes etc they claim moors helped them sail to turtle island (the americas). Yes traffic came both ways that IS common sense but many stock came from Asia and that's in many oral history and research..Aniyunwiya/cherokee chief attakullakulla claimed we came here from the far east where the sun rises way before the age of stone age man DURING A SPEECH 1750. ..you must realize as a member of Aniyunwiya/Cherokee many of our stories are oral traditions among our people...only a few scholars have had the luxury to speak to some of our medicine men and women in the past, we also kept much knowledge from our oppressor the Caucasian europeans TO PROTECT OUR HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE AND SPIRITUALITY. Anthropologists Say Today The Cherokee migrated back and forth from Mexico twice, making the Ozark plateau our home the second time, about 800-1500 years ago. This fact has been proven scientifically ( by Dr. Tim Jones WHO CLAIMS Cherokee descendant) of the University of Arizona -- who holds doctorate degrees in BOTH archeology AND anthropologyHistoricfuture12 (talk) 23:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

The sources and theories you are promoting are not representative of traditional Cherokee beliefs as preserved by Elders on the Boundary or in CNO or the UKB. May I suggest you go ask the Elders about this instead of believing fringe websites. - CorbieV^☊ 19:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

References

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Stop vandalizing

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing.

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Mirza Ghulam Ahmad you may be blocked from editing. The Vandalism on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad harm Wikipedia's reputation. We are not a religious organisation and hence accept all criticism of religion that referenced with appropriate sources. Fines may follow !

Sources here include:

• Quran
• Tirmidhi
• Maududi, Abul A'la (1993). Finality of Prophethood. Islamic Publications.
• Nadwi, Abul. Qadianism - A Critical Study. Islamic Research and Publications.
• Websites: like http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/qadian.htm
• Roohani Khazain by Mirza
• Tadhkirah by Mirza
• Mawahib-ur-Rahman
• Dawat-O-Irshad, USA

See WP:BP, WP:NOT, WP:VAN Adjutor101 (talk) 11:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

We at Wikipedia take Vandalism Adjutor101 (talk) 14:08, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Dougweller, I don't really agree with his edits either, they are pretty promotional(to a specific ideology) and purely polemic. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

ISIL sanctions

You added this comment here that is kind of a privacy violation. It's confirmed but it's not essential to the log page that this information be in it. Also, I took Gregkaye to ANI here.~Technophant (talk) 19:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Julsan (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Technophant, I added that comment so no one thought he was doing anything nefarious such as sock puppetry. Dougweller (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Elamite cup

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photograph of Elamite silver cup

Hello, sorry, I just sent you an e-mail before realizing that maybe I should have used this channel here instead. If it was a mistake I apologize to you (I love Wikipedia but I'm not accustomed to propose contributions...), so I will repeat here the text of my e-mail integrally :

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Hello, on October 20th at 14:51, user 84.227.226.250 made, together with me, a correction (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elam&action=history ) that you have "undone" a few minutes later... May I ask you the reason of your disagreement ?

The correction concerned the description of the photograph of an Elamite silver cup of the 3rd millennium BC. The sentence was : "Silver cup the sack of Susa in 647 BC. Here, flames rise from the city as Assyrian soldiers topple it with pickaxes and crowbars, with linear-Elamite inscription on it. Late 3rd Millennium BC. National Museum of Iran."

It seems to me that "Silver cup the sack of Susa" is not correct English, and indeed you can realize that the whole string "the sack of Susa in 647 BC. Here, flames rise from the city as Assyrian soldiers topple it with pickaxes and crowbars" is just the repetition of what written about the previous photograph (just one centimeter above) which indeed correctly depicts the sack of Susa with flames and Assyrian soldiers.

That silver cup is just 2000 years older, and obviously there are no flames nor Assyrian soldiers on it. It is a very famous cup, that you can see in many many sites on the Web. It appears that the sentence there had just been corrupted by an inadvertent "copy & paste", that we felt in duty to correct.

Could you please be so kind as to explain why you didn't agree with our correction ?

Kind regards,

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Julsan (talk) 23:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Julsan, I'm sorry for not replying. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I may have made an error. I'm tired now and am on my way to bed. Dougweller (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for wrong previous posting...

I'm afraid I did something wrong, I see that my post about the Elamite silver cup has been appended to somebody's previous post... I'm not sure to understand the reason, please forgive my inexperience... Julsan (talk) 00:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

It's all good, and it's me that needs to ask you for forgiveness. I've reverted myself. I'm not sure what happened there, but it was my error and I'm pleased you brought it to my attention. You could have just reverted me with an explanation in an WP:EDIT SUMMARY. Dougweller (talk) 15:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Dougweller, you don't need to apologize ! it was just my first time to try to give a tiny contribution and correct a small mistake in the figure caption, but I did it in a rather messy way... Anyhow, I'm happy of the positive contact. I consider Wikipedia as something wonderful and precious, and I'm very happy that persons like you take care of its integrity. I realize it must not always be an easy task... Julsan (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Lia Olguța Vasilescu

As somebody who previously deleted Lia Olguța Vasilescu (bluelinked at the time I type this), you might be interested in this thread at WP:AN/I. -- Hoary (talk) 03:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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Logging of sanction warnings by non-administrators

Dear Dougweller, i would like to point your attention to the fact that recently there have been several general sanction warnings logged by users, who are not administrators. I was myself surprised to be warned of WP:SCWGS by Technophant, while not committing any 1RR violation - and i'm very much familiar with the sanctions - i proposed those!

Logging of warnings by non-administrators was done at Syrian Civil War & ISIL log by user:RGloucester, user:97.117.183.196 (already removed), user:Technophant and at Palestine-Israel articles by User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. As far as i checked, there was no WP:ANI procedure in those cases and apparently even no violation of 1RR. The logging of unauthorized warnings at Syrian Civil War & ISIL sanctions log actually was in parallel with your genuine logging on October 19, so i would like to ask you making some order there by yourself. Meanwhile, i have already removed a single warning, logged by IP user (?!) at the WP:SCWGS, with no ANI procedure as well. Thanks for your attention.GreyShark (dibra) 17:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Once again, Greyshark, these notifications are not "warnings". They are notifications that the sanctions exist, and have nothing to do with the behaviour of the editors that are notified. Violations of 1RR or AN/I discussions have very little to do with it. I feel like you are misconstruing the purpose of notifying editors that sanctions exist. It has nothing to do with the behaviour of the editor, with AN/I, or with 1RR. It is merely making clear to the editor that they must behave to a somewhat more stringent standard whilst editing the articles in the scope of the sanctions. RGloucester — ☎ 17:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Awareness_and_alerts for details:

Any editor may advise any other editor that discretionary sanctions are in force for an area of conflict. However, these only count as the

formal notifications required by this procedure if the standard template message – currently {{Ds/alert}} – is placed unmodified on the talk

page of the editor being alerted. An alert:

• is purely informational and neither implies nor expresses a finding of fault,
• cannot be rescinded or appealed, and
• automatically expires twelve months after issue.

As {{Ds/alert}} template is part of this procedure, it may be modified only with the committee's explicit consent.

Editors issuing alerts are expected to ensure that no editor receives more than one alert per area of conflict per year. Any editor who issues

alerts disruptively may be sanctioned.

— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Greyshark09: Are you clear about this now? I've reverted your removal of the IP's logging of an alert as IPs are editors. And although these are not warnings, IPs can issue normal warnings as well. Dougweller (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I see one other bit of confusion. General sanctions and 1RR are often related but are not the same thing, as general sanctions are much wider. Dougweller (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

There were no vaiolations of 1RR in those cases, the logging of sanctions is not justified with no procedure. This has never happened before. Users cannot warn each other and log each other with no reason.GreyShark (dibra) 18:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

You're not understanding what's happened. This isn't about 1RR or 'warnings'. It is merely a sanctions notification, meant to inform editors that the articles they are editing are under sanctions. The point of the notification is not to warn an editor that they've broken 1RR, but to inform them that 1RR and general sanctions exist. RGloucester — ☎ 18:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

No i'm perfectly understanding. Actually, i wrote some of those warning templates last year when WP:SCWGS was authorized by community. The template that you should use in case of ""sanction notifications" is template:uw-1rrSCW and not Template:SCW&ISIL enforcement (which is official warning) and in any case only administrators can log the warnings at WP:SCWGS as a result of WP:ANI. Official warnings are used to justify later sanctions, and their improper log is forbidden.GreyShark (dibra) 18:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

User:GreyShark, sanctions include " revert and move restrictions, interaction bans, topic bans, and blocks of up to one year in duration, or other reasonable measure that the enforcing administrator believes is necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project." 1RR is something different and an editor can be blocked for breaking 1RR without being warned, alerted, etc. Dougweller (talk) 18:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but i'm aware of all that - i'm a senior editor and i was one of the initiators of WP:SCWGS sanctions. The problem is the fact that the above described users start logging warnings with no reason (with no ANI procedure). Logged warnings are often used to justify later bans, and it is the first time in history non-administrators are utilizing logged warnings. There is some misunderstanding here. Would you like me to bring this for clarification and amendment?GreyShark (dibra) 18:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

This is not the "first time in history" that discretionary or general sanctions notifications (please stop using the term "warning", as these are NOT warnings) have been issued by non-administrators. It is standard practice, as it says at the guidelines for this matter. It happens daily with WP:ARBEE sanctions, which is an area I'm more familiar with. These are not "warnings", these are notifications. I don't understand why you are not listening to what I'm saying. RGloucester — ☎ 18:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't know the rules but I am annoyed that the user took it upon himself to put my name on the notification list for no reason. It is unjustified and harassment since every editor active on these pages knows about the sanctions. I fully expect that that will be used against me by someone unhappy with my edits. I want it rolled back. Legacypac (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It is so awkward that some people think that "anyone" can make warnings, thus i don't see any reason why "anyone" wouldn't be able to remove such warnings. I'm issuing an official inquiry into this non-sense once and for all.GreyShark (dibra) 20:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

We don't have "official inquiries" here. "Anyone" can log notifications, if they follow the appropriate guidelines. I.e. an editor can receive one notification in a year, and no more. Furthermore, the editor that gives the notification must not use to threaten the editor receiving it, and must use the bare notification template. For the final time, these are not "warnings". They cannot be used against anyone. All they do is inform. If an editor is informed that sanctions exist through notification, that means that they cannot claim that they are not aware of the sanctions in the event that they edit disruptively. As long as you edit properly, and follow good editing processes, there is no problem. Legacypac, there is nothing to roll back. Your notification was entirely appropriate, as you've not been notified before. Let's follow the guidelines, please. RGloucester — ☎ 20:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Please see this discussion on the Administrator's noticeboard.GreyShark (dibra) 21:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Email

You've got email. — TransporterMan (TALK) 18:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Just so you know, I've also made that same request to HJ Mitchell, so he may get there before you do. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

And he did so, in fact. But thanks nonetheless and sorry for the bother. — TransporterMan (TALK) 19:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

After seeing your edits

Re: Technophant. After seeing your edit at User talk:Technophant#1RR notification on Syrian Civil War articles I was wondering whether you could take a look at User talk:Technophant#SCW&ISIL sanctions with which I was involved. Gregkaye ✍♪ 19:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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User:Neekan

Could you please look at Neekan (talk · contribs)'s edits. Almost all of them are unexplained content deletions and edit wars. According to me, this user is a vandal and obviously not here to contribute to building the encylopedia. The user was warned many times about the same behaviors but it seems that he won't change. l think an indef block would be useful in order to prevent wikipedia articles. ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 02:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Note: Most probably, the user is sock of the banned user Farshidvard (talk · contribs). ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 03:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Montagu Parker

Hello Dougweller, looking at this, I got concerned : do you see any spam in the French article or did I misunderstand you ? Cheers, — Racconish^✉ 15:29, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't look for spam there (the spam was a blog being added by the creator of the English Parker editor to various articles). What I did see was David Hatcher Childress and Rene Noorbergen being used, neither of them reliable sources. By the way, you just added a relist template to my talk page, last week I ran across {{reflist-talk}}. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and apologies for the wrong template (I saw a ref popping up under my message, just wanted to tidy up before leaving... and I was not aware it could create any inconvenience). I shall give some thought to your comment, but my first reaction is these are good examples of the use in popular litterature of an expression which you would not expect to find in a more serious book. In any case, the French article is still a work in progress. Cheers, — Racconish^✉ 18:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Dougweller, you deleted the entry @ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Montagu_Brownlow_Parker,_5th_Earl_of_Morley&curid=43897727&diff=630773500&oldid=630773329 and suggested the modification was spam and or copyright as a reason. I'm not sure I understand why either is valid. The blog contains a reference to the Parker Map which does not seem to be available elsewhere. Further can you please clarify which material you identify as a copyright breach? Copytopic1 (talk) 11:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Confused

Sir, I am confused with this Bijbehara Massacre. The article I think contradicts with itself. The article says that it is about Indian Army vs Kashmiri rebels meaning militants. Then it says that it was an unarmed protest against seige of a mosque and Indian army killed 48 people (protestors). And 12 BSF men accused of firing at innocent people. And the victims were given compensation money.If th the protestors were militants they would have never been given compensation. So that means they were not rebels or fighters because rebellion means armed war. I have got sources which are official newspaper's here which say the people were unarmed, then why does it is said on wikipedia that they were rebels and then contradicting with itself.

Thanks Night Fury (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Night Fury I think you've sorted that now. I didn't realise who you were, but I agree with you and left a note on the talk page. It used to be ok but someone changed it to call them rebels in the lead, obviously a pov editor - or one of the pov editors at that article. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks sir for your help. I am Owais khursheed and Night Fury is my signature on Wikipedia. Again thanks for your help. Night Fury (talk) 16:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

John Calvin

I just saw a series of vandalism edits to John Calvin by two different editors over the last ten days. I wonder if both editors should be blocked from editing (if they haven't already been). CorinneSD (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I just looked again. I see that the unregistered user (the one with the red user name) was blocked. The other one (the one with the long series of letters and numbers) has not been blocked.

I am puzzled by the edit summary of the latest edit. I have no feeling or agenda either way about that word, but I'm wondering why it was called a "weasel word" -- I found a definition on Wiktionary -- and how someone can say "Don't use that word on WP." I can see how the word might be offensive to some readers, and maybe it's not even accurate there. CorinneSD (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker), @CorinneSD:: I can't imagine how supersessionist would qualify as a weasel word (see WP:WEASEL). Claims that it's original research or unsourced would be possible, though I'd have to bother looking at the article to comment as to their validity or invalidity in this case.

Slight note on convention: The long string of characters beginning with "2601:b" is an IPv6 address. He is unregistered. The guy with the red username "Sergeyrockspoopfood" is actually registered (or else he wouldn't have a username) but hasn't created a userpage. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

RfC/U

The worm has turned. --P123ct1 (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Bukan

you have to edit your source? This edition is completely wrong

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deleting irrelevant content

Hi. I recently deleted irrelevant text from the following webpage which was subsequently re-posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Caitlin_Matthews

-begins- Ronald Hutton, commenting on Caitlin Matthews' works, states that she "falls below the standards required of a professional historian. She makes no attempt to distinguish between the relative value of sources, so those from the seventh century and from the seventeenth are put together with no sense of context." He also states that she conditions her work to the needs of her audience and that she has incorrectly suggested parallels between Celtic lore and Native American religion. -ends-

I removed the text because it was unhelpful and not relevant to John or Caitlin Matthews. either claim to be 'professional historians'. Subsequent comments concerning non-attempts to distinguish relative sources from a professor of history seem misplaced. Ronald Hutton deals with academic histories and Caitlin. I must also state that Ronald is happily writing a forward for an anthology in which Caitlin will pen a chapter. The book contract was signed yesterday and I will edit the tome.

Caitlin and John's website describe themselves in the following way: begins- Together we like to explore the myths of Britain and Ireland, uncover the Celtic and Arthurian mysteries, explore the shamanic possibilities and create rituals that honour the ancestral ways and tell the ancient stories that our descendants will remember. ends-

In the anthology, Caitlin's biog will read:

begins- CAITLíN MATTHEWS is a teacher of the ancestral and shamanic traditions of Britain and Ireland . As a recognized wisdom-keeper and elder, she teaches these traditions, re-awakening memory of ancestral wisdom for faith groups, cultural institutions and communities of the Celtic diaspora worldwide, working across diverse faith and cultural traditions. She is the author of over 60 books, including Singing the Soul Back Home, Sophia Goddess of Wisdom and Celtic Wisdom Oracle: Ancestral Wisdom and Guidance. She is co-author with her partner John Matthews of the classic Walkers Between the Worlds which has been in print since 1984. Her books have been translated into over 30 languages worldwide. She is currently working on The Book of Ancestral Wisdom: a guide to reconnection with ancestors. She is a co-founder of the Foundation for Inspirational and Oracular Studies, dedicated to the sacred and ancestral arts that are held in oral memory and practice. Caitlín lives in Oxford where she has had a shamanic healing practice for 25 years dedicated to healing ancestral fragmentation. www.hallowquest.org.uk ends-

No mention of them being a historians. To therefore permit comments that criticize them for not being historians is like permitting criticisms for them not being bricklayers, archaeologists or reborn again Christians - all of which would also be irrelevant.

I know Ronald Hutton. He is a good man and I like him very much, but the previously removed comments are irrelevant and so I request that they are deleted.

In spirit, there are, broadly speaking, overlaps between ancient native Americans and modern british paganisms, especially in concern of the three fold relationships between landscape, ancestors and self.

In friendship,

paul davies daviespaul1@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.165.254 (talk) 13:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Punjabi language

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Race classification socking

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