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Editing Football Kits

How can I modify the existing template Football Kits present in Wikipedia?SabyaC (talk) 14:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, SabyaC, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you've had to wait a long time for a reply. As I know absolutely nothing about football, this may only be a partial answer. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding of your question, though had you explained precisely what change you want to achieve and where, this might have helped us a bit more. However, if you genuinely want to make changes to the Template:Football kit you need to be extremely careful as it is used in over 29,000 articles. One change to the template itself would affect a huge number of pages. You'll see on that template's page there are very detailed instructions on how the template is used on any given page, and a warning that all suggested changes to the template itself are best discussed on its talk page first, and also tested in its sandbox.

However, my guess is that your question probably relates more to how to change the colours and designs of an individual club's kit on one particular page, either using Template:Football kit or using Template:Infobox football club. I see you've done a lot of work on 2017–18 East Bengal F.C. season where the Football kit template appears to use a combination of image files on Wikimedia Commons (like these), plus simple hexadecimal colourcodes to colour-fill basic elements like socks and shorts. If you know these colours, and the kit is simple, you should be able to easily change the value of each parameter in the template (that's the bit after the "=" sign) to match your club's kit, and these changes will only affect that one page you're editing. Unfortunately, this is where my ability to help you sadly ends, but I see that the Talk Page for the football kit template does receive requests from people asking for new files to be created for specific clubs where none already exists. I'm sure others here could add to what I've suggested, or alternatively you could ask for assistance in creating new kit images at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Does this rather poor explanation offer some help? If not, please let us know what precise change you'd like to achieve. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes, thank you for your reply.

I do not wish to change the entire template, I am saying how to use that template for my page and modify it on my page by using parameters. There is sadly no information about changing the base template colours. If anyone can help me by providing some kind of reference or tutorials, I can then modify the existing template on my page.SabyaC (talk) 10:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, @SabyaC:, that's not so difficult. I had thought in my reply I had given you pointers to where to find those instructions on the Template:Football kit page. Was there not enough information there? You will need to help me by being as clear as possible about which steps you find problematic. (I've never edited a football template's parameters before, but the principle looks simple enough). If you look below, I've shown two football kit templates. The top one is the outline of the kit with all the colour settings stripped away, so it's just a blank outline. The bottom one is taken from the page you've been editing on 2017–18 East Bengal F.C. season. I suggest you go to "Edit source" and copy the relevant template text into your own sandbox to experiment on there. Perhaps you can reply with a link to a page showing whatever kit it is that you want to represent? Without that, I am unable to help you with a demonstration. For each of those colours of socks, shorts, top you will have to change the a series of letters or numbers (hexadecimal code) for each of those colours. Here is one online tool that lets you upload a photo and select the patches of different colour you want to use within the template. Ignore any complex designs at first - just try to change the basic colours. Give that a go and let me know how you got on. If you still have problems, do please include a link to a page showing the colours and make sure you explain exactly what you want to achieve, and I'll do my best to help you. Because I'm not inside your head it's hard for me to know which bit is frustrating you - so help me to help you by explaining as simply as possible (ie treat me like an idiot and I might understand!!). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Here's a quick demo. So, I've just randomly found this flag online. To use all its colours in a football kit I've pasted its url into the colour picker tool and clicked on the blue background. This gives me the HTML code: #02A2DE. Just paste 02A2DE after the = sign of the body parameter. This fills the shirt in blue. Now click the orange colour in the centre of the flower to get HTML code: #EC7F32. Paste EC7F32 into the shorts parameter. Do the same for the yellow stripe either side of the big black diagonal stripe, and paste that code (9F1D219) into the socks parameter. And, finally, select the black colour (code 000000) for the right arm, and the white colour (code: FEFFFF) in the flower for the left arm, and this delightful kit shown below is what you see online. Is this the kind of thing you're trying to do? Nick Moyes (talk) 10:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun

See i m from the team of page Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun. i want to inform everyone that i have created one wikipedia page of my movie actor Shahab Khan who is bollywood films and serials famous personality. So i request u that please don't delete that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs)

Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun, please understand that promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia. An article on Shahab Khan (or indeed on Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun) will be accepted only if it is mostly based on what people who have no connection with him have published about him in reliable places. Wikipedia is not interested in what he or his friends, employers, or associates say about him, and it is not interested in unreferenced information that may have come from anywhere. The speedy deletion, as is explained in the notice and on your talk page, is on the basis that the article does not provide any direct evidence that anybody independent has chosen to write about him, or any other reason to think that Wikipedia should have an article about him (as opposed to thousands and thousands of other actors). The notice tells you how to contest the speedy deletion, but you need to do this by showing why it meets Wikipedia's critera, not just by saying that he is a Bollywood actor. Making a request here has no effect (other than getting a reply like mine).

Also, if you are part of the team of that film, then you are discouraged from be editing an article about it or its stars, and you should declare your conflict of interest in doing so. If you are in any way paid (eg it is part of your job) to do so, then you must declare this fact, or you are in breach of the terms of service of Wikipedia. Also, I suspect your user name is in breach of our policies: while there is no requirement to use your real name for your account (I do, but many people do not), accounts should be personal and may not have names which suggest that they represent an organisation.

Did you read your first article before you started? If not, I suggest you do so now. --ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC) Hello ColinFine sir i m the son of bollywood actor Shahab Khan he is my father and he is bollywood actor who has worked in many films and serials. He is famous personality of Film Industry. So please allow us. I hope u will. Thanks

Hello, Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun. In that case you certainly have a conflict of interest, and need to read carefully the link I gave you to that subject. You are not forbidden from writing an article on him but it is discouraged, and you should certainly use the articles for creation process to create a draft that you can submit for review before it goes into mainspace.

I have moved your current draft to Draft:Shahab Khan, so that you can work on it without it getting deleted; but I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to start again.

Some of the steps you need to go through (this is all summarised in your first article):

• find at least two or three places where people who have no connection with your father - not relatives, friends, associates, employers - have written in-depth material about him, and have it published in reliable sources (with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). No social media, no blogs, forums, or wikis, not iMDB (which is largely written by fans). No fansites, nothing based on an interview or a press release. Ideally it would be major newspapers or magazines, or books from reputable publishers. They don't have to be online, and they don't have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they are available.
• If you cannot find at least two such sources, then give up: he is not currently notable, as Wikipedia uses the term.
• If you can find two or three sources, then forget everything you know about Khan, and write an article based solely on what those sources say about him (but in your own words: do not plagiarise them). Cite everything to the source it comes from. (See referencing for beginners for the mechanics of how to do this.
• When you have created an article from those sources, you can judiciously add some uncontroversial factual information, such as dates and places, from non-independent sources, such as his own or the studio's website. Everything in the article should have been published somewhere, however.
• Worry about details like the infobox and photo after the important stuff like citation and neutral wording.
• When you think that it is ready to be reviewed, and meets all the requirements of notability and sourcing. submit it for review by picking the Submit button.

--ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I don’t want a draft. My father Shahab Khan is a bollywood film actor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun It doesn't matter if your father is the President of India. You need to follow the advice given to you in this section. 331dot (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Sir please remove that draft. I request you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun Since you are requesting that the draft be deleted, I have tagged it as such. You may still need to declare a conflict of interest and/or paid editing relationship. 331dot (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Please sir i beg you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the draft, it seems to be an alright page so far. I would like to clarify with the Editors, according to WP:ENT notability for actors is "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions:", To me it looks like this page passes this. Can I get some clarification here? Egaoblai (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing to indicate that any of his roles are significant, let alone several of them, and there are no sources to support almost any of the claims in the article. There is only one independent source, and that is just a trivial mention of his name. --bonadea contributions talk 05:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I upload a picture from the internet onto my wikipedia article?

I have a picture which I downloaded from the internet of a book cover, which I intend to use. But it says on my talk page unspecified source for the picture, when I uploaded it. So can you help? ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello?

ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@ShyPinkLolly: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be patient in waiting for a reply; we are all volunteers here and there are not people waiting to answer questions 24/7. My knowledge of image uploading is limited and I am not confident enough in an answer to give you one, but I am sure someone will eventually do so. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh right, sorry, I didn't know, it is just because I am quite happy with my new article and I want it to stay like that before someone edits it and takes the picture away. But thanks anyway.

ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, ShyPinkLolly. The image of a book cover that you uploaded is scheduled to be deleted in a few days unless you correct the problems with it. Please start by reading our policy on the use of non-free images, which has complete details of what you need to do. Yes, a low resolution image of a book cover can be used in an article about that book, but it must be accompanied by an acceptable fair use rationale, which you have not yet done. I also recommend that you read our notabilty guideline for books. I do not believe that the references now in your articles are sufficient to establish the notabilty of these children's books. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

The articles in question are Murder Most Unladylike and Arsenic For Tea, both of which are referenced almost completely to the author's own website. The best way to establish the notability of a new book is to include references to professional reviews of the books in respected publications. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, ShyPinkLolly. Wikipedia is very careful about copyright, and if there is ever a suspicion that material anywhere in it is violating somebody's copyright, it will be deleted as soon as possible. Most pictures you find on the internet do belong to somebody, and cannot be uploaded except in special circumstances. The most common circumstance is that the copyright owner has explicitly released the image under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which is compatible with Wikipedia's purposes: such a licence permits anybody to reuse the image for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute it.

Understandably, the owners of many images (especially covers and logos) are not usually willing to release the artwork in this way. There is a way of using copyright material in Wikipedia, but its use must meet all the criteria in the non-free copyright criteria, and the uploader must specifically justify that these are all being met. (I forget exactly how you do that, but there is a template you can use. Normally when you upload copyright material it asks you, and when you say yes, it is copyright, it will ask you the right questions. In this case you will have to look at how you're using the image, and make sure it does meet all the criteria, and then edit the image description page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I find who made the picture and who it belongs to? I uploaded it from Google Images, will it say that? Sorry for all these questions.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ShyPinkLolly (talk) 09:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@ShyPinkLolly: Do not apologize for asking questions, that is what the Teahouse is for.

If you cannot find who made the picture or, more accurately, who retains the copyrights to it and for how long (which is indeed not an easy task) you must assume the image is copyrighted and therefore can only be used at Wikipedia under the exemptions (see WP:NFCI, already linked above). This is not going to be Google Images (it shows you excerpts of other websites).

In the case of cover art for books published in 2014 and 2015, however, I would not even bother digging for the copyright status. It is practically certain that the editing house will retain copyright for as long as permissible. The exact length of time before such cover art falls into public domain depends on a lot of complex factors (country of publication, year of publication, copyright notice etc.) but it is always multiple decades after publication or author's death.

The fact that there are copyright violations everywhere on the internet, and in particular that you could find the picture on Google Images from another site than the editing house's, does not make it allowable to violate copyright on Wikipedia. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

how i start

how i start103.217.117.244 (talk) 12:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure if there is something specific that you want to start, but in general if you want to learn more about using and editing Wikipedia, a good place to begin is the introduction, located at Wikipedia:Introduction. Another good thing to do is to use the tutorial that is available at WP:ADVENTURE which is a good way to learn about editing Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Biography of Mario McPherson Electronic Music producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justncase72 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@Justncase72: OK. Successfully creating an article is probably one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. It takes time, practice, and effort. New users who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as their article is mercilessly edited and criticized by others, even deleted. I don't want that to happen to you. The users who are most successful at creating articles did so after taking the time to both learn how Wikipedia works and making small edits to existing articles to learn the ropes of Wikipedia. I would suggest that before you attempt to create an article, you view the pages I linked to above and find some existing articles that may need some minor changes to that you could make, to let you practice your editing skills and learn how articles are supposed to be structured. Then you should read Your First Article at WP:YFA to learn the best way to start in article creation, and then start creating the article by visiting Articles for Creation which is a way for you to submit a draft for review before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia.

I don't know who this person is that you want to write about, but you will need to make sure that they have independent reliable sources)WP:RS) that show how they meet the notability guidelines for musicians at WP:BAND. These sources must not be written by this person or their businesses, must not be selling their music, and must describe this person with in depth coverage and not be a mere mention or press release. If you don't have such sources, an article about this person will not be accepted. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Cannot save preferences

Hello, I haven't used the site for several weeks because I've been recovering from a road accident. I just wanted to alter a couple of preferences but the ability to save the changes has been removed. Any idea why that should be? Thank you. CravinChillies (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi CravinChillies, welcome to the Teahouse. Special:Preferences has been redesigned and the "Save" button at the bottom is greyed out until one of the preferences is changed and it turns blue. Does it remain greyed out for you after changes are made or what goes wrong? Which preference are you changing? What is your browser? What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, PrimeHunter. It was staying grey when I altered the "how described" from gender neutral to she. I changed my password and restored defaults, which meant I lost my signature as I didn't think to copy it! Anyway, I then tried a watchlist preference change and the save button blued, so I could save that. It seems to be working okay at the moment. I'm trying to restore my password but I'm right out of practice (weeks in hospital). Thanks very much for your help. Merry Christmas. CravinChillies 19:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@CravinChillies: You appear to have discovered a bug. All other preferences I have tested turn the Save button blue, but if "How do you prefer to be described?" is the only change then it also remains greyed out for me (Vector skin, Firefox 57.0.1 on Windows 10). I will examine it further later and report it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ah, well, I am an IT pro so it all finally came to some use! Good luck. CravinChillies 19:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Matma Rex fixed phab:T180643: Altering radios doesn't make “Save” action available. It seems there is either a regression or the fix doesn't always work for this particular set of radio buttons. The whole preference redesign may be rolled back so I don't know whether the issue is about to become moot. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

I tested it and it was the same for me on Chrome, but if I unchecked another box then changed it back, it worked. Not a fix per se but a workaround. A lad insane talk 21:48, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

The preference redesign has been rolled back so the bug is gone for now. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

the donation

When I come on Wikipedia, there is a message that talks about donating, is that really you guys at wikipedia or is that a scammer trying to make money, if it is you then why do you need money? You are a website.82.16.170.199 (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

From WP:DONATE "[...] we have around 800 servers and 150 staff, and cover our costs through donations [...]". There is a link there that leads to more details on how the money is spent. RudolfRed (talk) 18:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, just to expand on RudolfRed's answer a bit: yes, that is a legitimate request for donations you are seeing. Wikipedia is the world's fifth most-popular website and one of the only large websites to be owned by a nonprofit charitable organisation (the Wikimedia Foundation or WMF). It costs a very large amount of money to operate and maintain such a large project, and since we don't run advertisements or engage in any other commercial activities, those costs are supported almost entirely by donations to the WMF. – Joe (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

There is a donation drive each December. I assume you are seeing that but if you want to donate and are worried about the origin of the message then you can click the "Donate to Wikipedia" link below the globe logo at the top left on the desktop version of the site. If you are on the mobile version then first click "Desktop" at the bottom. The link goes to https://donate.wikimedia.org which (unlike Wikipedia) cannot be edited by the public. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

How badly does Wikipedia need the money? What's its financial situation like? Benjamin (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

See meta:Wikimedia Foundation/Annual Report/2015-2016/2016 financials for details of where the money comes from and where it goes. If all donations stopped tomorrow, and the Wikimedia Foundation cut all spending not directly related to keeping the servers running, the existing reserves would keep the lights on for about three years. Thus it's not at immediate risk of collapse, but it's also not secure in the long term. (The "assets" section is slightly misleading, as some of it will be grants that have been given for a specific purpose and can't be used for general maintenance.) ‑ Iridescent 08:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Benjaminikuta: That is something of a bone of contention in the Wikipedia community. Last year the WMF's revenue was $81.8 million (see Wikimedia Foundation#Finances). This is far in excess of the money needed to meet Wikipedia's direct costs, and even though the WMF has also significantly increased its spending year-on-year ($65.9 million last year), it currently has reserves of over $91.7 million. Some editors feel that this means the "Wikipedia is in trouble!" tone sometimes adopted by the WMF in the donation drives is dishonest. The WMF maintain that large cash reserves are a necessary safety net and that their rapid increase in spending is justified. Either way if you're thinking of donating it's important to realise that the WMF and Wikipedia are separate entities. Your donation goes to the WMF, and although they do financially support Wikipedia, they also have other goals that diverge significantly from those of the community of volunteer Wikipedia editors (who, it should be noted, will not receive a penny of your donations). – Joe (talk) 08:30, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Need Proofread

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia. After reading various articles, I have submitted an article to my company. Can anyone help with proofreading and let me know if everything's all right. Saurav.webkul (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saurav.webkul. Thanks for editing Wikipedia. We welcome newcomers and are here to help. I took a quick look at your sandbox and it seems like it might be worthy of an article. I'd suggest you read WP:NOTE, WP:COI, WP:MOS, and WP:YFA. Benjamin (talk) 08:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for proofread. Is there any area of improvement which you can recommend me by seeing the article so that it gets approved.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 08:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

This must be about User:Saurav.webkul/sandbox. It has no lead section. It should not be written in the first or second person: "We follow open communication" and "It allows you to integrate Joomla with Opencart" are unacceptable. It refers to "the small town boys" without explaining who they were – Wikipedia should refer to people by name rather than using epithets. Overall, it reads too much like an advertisement, in particular the whole "Featured Products" section should probably be deleted. Many of the references are to sources not independent of the subject. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome, Saurav.webkul. If you are writing about your employer, then it is mandatory to declare this, as explained at Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Please also review Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Webkul. Concerns raised there will need to be fully addressed if there is to be an article. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your suggestions. Can you again have a look at my article as I have added paid contribution template? Also regarding the last link which you shared, what precautions I can take now or what should be my next step so that this article of mine gets approved as everything os genuine.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 10:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello,

Might be someone has posted article previously on behalf of a company and was deleted because it was too promotional, Now I have again written the article on behalf of that company, can you let me know if my current article is good to go or because of the previous deletion, it can affect my current article also.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

As just one example of unacceptable content, the entire section Draft:Webkul#Culture is blatant promotional hype, and entirely unsourced. It is that sort of inability to write from a neutral point of view which explains why Wikipedia discourages editing by those with a conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Saurav.webkul I think the draft looks fine for now, as you have sourced it well and the sources are notable. The only problem I can see is the "culture" section which has no references. By the way, you don't need to submit the article for review, you can create it typing in the name of the page in the wikipedia URL and then going to "create source" and copying and pasting the text from the draft in. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_a_page Though be reminded that this method does not mean your page is safe, it could still be submitted for deletion. Egaoblai (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello,

Thaks for letting me know about the content that is not unacceptable. I have removed culture section from my article, I guess everything is good now. However my major question still remains same as someone previously posted an article on same company and it got deleted due to promotional content, does it affects my current article which is on the same company. Saurav.webkul (talk) 05:01, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Emirates to Windhoek

Does anyone have any knowledge about when flights from Dubai - Windhoek would commence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlyByNight (talk • contribs) 09:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, FlyByNight. The Teahouse is a friendly place to learn about editing Wikipedia, so we do not provide travel advice. You might have more luck asking your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I edit an articel, which is already edited in german wikipedia?

I had edit an articel in german wikipedia. now i want edit this articel in english language in the english wikipedia. How can i do this and waht are the conditions to do that? I´ve read before editing a new own articel in the english wikipedia, i have already have to edit 10 artcicels before. Is that right? Tanks for help 146.52.144.113 (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I don't wish to be rude, but your skills in the English language do not appear to me to be adequate to writing an article in the English Wikipedia. Nevertheless, you are welcome to try. Please be aware that creating a new article is one of the harder tasks in English Wikipedia (whether an article already exists in another Wikipedia is irrelevant: the task is still to create a new article). It is true that you need an account which is autoconfirmed before you can create a new article in mainspace; but I would always advise a new editor to use the article wizard to create their draft in draft space (which does not have that restriction). Please start by reading your first article. If you are contemplating creating the article by translating the German article (a possible approach, but not the only one), then also read translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 10:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

If you have an account, then anyone can edit. If you want to edit the article in the English Wikipedia, go to the page and click "edit source". If there's a reference/citation to your account, then it should be fine. Egaoblai (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Not a Word Yet

Greetings.

Please i'm a greenhorn Wikipedia contributor.

I have got an issue. I created an article tagged "OLUWATOBI AJAYI" several weeks ago and I haven't heard a word about it from Wikipedia.

Please what do i do?

Regards,

-Oba Adeoye Nigeria Obafemiadeoye (talk) 12:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Obafemiadeoye
Draft:Oluwatobi Ajayi has yet to be reviewed - as it states in the big box at the bottom, this may take over 2 months.
As for your other submission, Draft:Opeyemi Oke you can see that it was declined on 22 October, for having insufficient reliable sources. You need to provide additional references and re-submit it for reconsideration. - Arjayay (talk) 12:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

why mine article is rejected please help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amitagarwal3000

please helpm me i am new — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitagarwal3000 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

why mine article is rejected please help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amitagarwal3000

why mine article is rejected please help

i am not doing any wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitagarwal3000 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You asked, and had a clear answer, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#17:58:03, 3 December 2017 review of submission by Amitagarwal3000. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Amitagarwal3000: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The submission you have written, I regret to say, is unsuitable for Wikipedia for several reasons. The first is that you seem to be the producer of the album you are writing about. Writing a Wikipedia article about something you are associated with is what we call a conflict of interest. This means that it is likely difficult for you to write about the subject objectively, in other words, forgetting everything you know about it and starting over as if you know nothing about it. You will also need to formally declare your association with this subject if you intend to write about this album. Also, if you are paid to be the producer, you must tell us that, otherwise you may be prevented from editing Wikipedia until you do. The Terms of Use of Wikipedia require this. Please read more about this at WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate declarations before editing further.

The draft you are writing does not indicate with independent reliable sources how this album meets at least one of the guidelines listed at WP:NALBUM. It must do this in order to be accepted. The article also seems to be advertising this album(you post several YouTube links) which is a promotional activity and not permitted. My suggestion is that if this album is truly notable, that you allow other, independent editors to eventually write about it. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

There is no one verify and reply on my wiki so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Koh_Kradan Ravitpong (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You have not yet submitted Draft:Koh Kradan for review. I have added a template which gives you a "submit" button to allow you to submit it when you think it is ready for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

If you think the draft is ready then you may submit it to Wikipedia by creating a mainspace page, using the "create source" button. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_a_page Egaoblai (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Cardiff School of Law and Politics Page – An Advertisement?

I came across https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_School_of_Law_and_Politics this page for the Cardiff School of Law and Politics while I was editing for Wiki-links. A lot of it reads like promotional material to me so I tagged it as such with the {{advert}} tag for the time being. Was I correct in doing so? TheTechnician27 (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I assume that you intended to link, rather than transclude, the advert tag, so I've changed it accordingly to prevent this help page from being tagged as an advert. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia ads

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but what happened to Wikipedia ads? Do they still exist? Am I unable to see them because of Adblock? The Verified Cactus 100% 23:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@VerifiedCactus: They still exist. I have them displayed on my user page, for example. Do you have the code in your CSS that hides the ads? Or, do you have an example of a page where they are not showing up for you? RudolfRed (talk) 01:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I turned off Adblock, and they're still not appearing. What I meant by that is that why are they no longer being displayed on the banner? Or anywhere outside of user pages, etc. The Verified Cactus 100% 01:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@VerifiedCactus: As far as I know, the ads are only intended to be shown on User and Talk pages. Don't know why they are not showing for you. RudolfRed (talk) 01:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh, then I misinterpreted their function. Whoops. The Verified Cactus 100% 02:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Notifications

Can i delete my notifications? User5554canada (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@User5554canada: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit to this page is the only edit under your username, and there is no content on your user talk page, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "notifications" and I assume you had previously used a different name; but if you mean any post on your user talk page, yes, you are permitted to remove posts from your user talk page. Archiving is usually preferred, but it is not required. 331dot (talk) 00:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@331dot: i mean notifications by the little bell on top of your userpage, can you delete those notifications? User5554canada (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I'm not aware of a means to remove them, though I think if you go into your preferences you can change what you get notifications for. Others may know more than I do. 331dot (talk) 00:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@331dot: By remove them, i mean delete them User5554canada (talk) 00:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I understand that now. I'm not aware of a way to outright remove them, only to prevent them from appearing in the first place. 331dot (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Why order trumps chaos in Wikipedia?

Trying my first question. Anyway, serious answers will be appreciated.Pawsys (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pawsys. More people are interested in promoting order than chaos, at least among the people who set out to edit Wikipedia. Billions of people find Wikipedia useful. Tens of thousands of those people are committed to editing Wikipedia actively, regularly and productively. The vandals and trolls are also out there in large numbers, although only a very small percentage are committed to disruption in the long run. Most vandals lose interest quickly when a bot or an alert editor reverts their foolishness within seconds or minutes. The more persistent vandals and trolls get blocked, over and over, and their favorite target articles get protected. It is an ongoing fight, but so far, order is on top of chaos. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Pawsys. Our prime directive at Teahouse is to encourage new editors by helping them wade through the chaos that Wikipedia is. We are a lot less ordered than a traditional print encyclopedias, which are almost all ordered in strict alphabetical order. Our indexing system here is based on modern search algorithms much like Google. So I don't think that order does trump chaos here. Very few Editors would be able to draw comparison to how a traditional encyclopedia is edited vs how Wikipedia is edited, as the traditional encyclopedias do that behind the scenes. That all being said, Wikipedia functions much like a Utopian society, and in that regard, we are the one of most successful Utopias to ever exist. Is there anything we can do to help you wade through the chaos? John from Idegon (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Article dispute

Where's the article dispute page because i have authentic information on Little Caesars Arena seating capacity with two sources with links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MechaCobre12 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MechaCobre12. The first place you should discuss this content dispute is Talk:Little Caesars Arena. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Taking reference from Facebook

I am creating an article on a school of Howrah. The school is wellfamous and noteable. So I am trying to create the article. There are many referencing sites which gives information about this school. But the problem is that all the references have the same info and the info is either very old and backlogged or incompleted. On the facebook page of the school, it gives latest and copleted info. So can Facebook be a reference?

AnkurHow (talk) 22:31 5 Dec 2017 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnkurHow (talk • contribs) 17:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, AnkurHow. Normally, Facebook cannot be used as a reference, because there is no control over who has posted the information. There is an exception in the case of the official Facebook page of an organisation: we can assume that the organisation or its authorised representatives have posted the information there. However, there is another problem: information posted by the subject itself (or its employees or associates) is treated as a primary source, and may only be used in limited ways (see the link): for uncontroveresial factual information. But the bulk of the information in any article should come from reliable published sources independent of the subject, i.e. where people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write in depth about it, and been published in a source with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. If there are few or no such sources, then there is nothing that can go into the article, I'm afraid. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Then what should I do? The school is Howrah Zilla School (watch the article in my sandbox) located in Howrah of India. The school is famous in Howrah as well as in whole state West Bengal of India. Only the facebook page contains the latest and acceptable information. So what should I do? (press this linkbow to view the facebook page https://m.facebook.com/HOWRAH.ZILLASchool/about?refid=17) AnkurHow (talk • contribs) 22:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@AnkurHow: If there is not information in published independent sources, or if the information out there is not complete or inaccurate, I regret to say that it will not be possible to have an article about this school at this time. Not every organization or school merits an article here, even within the same field. "Famous" is not the same as "notable"(as Wikipedia defines it at WP:N). 331dot (talk) 11:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Where should this question go?

How do you make an article directly from a new account, without redirecting to WP:New user landing page? 83.31.46.184 (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

• Well, you just type your title in the searchbox and then click "Create article" or whatever it says. But you can't do that as an IP editor. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
• Also, it's a good idea to not vandalize. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. IP users are not permitted to directly create articles, and currently new users must be autoconfirmed in order to create articles(see WP:ACTRIAL). Until then, the only way you can create an articles is through using the article wizard or Draft space. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

But in my view, only very experienced editors should ever try creating an article without going through draft space. Please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

URGENT HELP NEEDED

hello how are you today will you be my frined please im desperate and i can bake good cookies72.93.89.98 (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous IP. We like cookies, too, though our purpose here is solely to answer questions about editing Wikipedia. You don't appear to have made any edits recently, so its hard to know how we might assist you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

		Cookies!
		Benjaminikuta has given you some cookies! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the "WikiLove" by giving someone else some cookies, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookies}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Benjamin (talk) 11:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

helper I'd like to add a subdivision to a new wiki page . And would like feedback

I want to add details as to what hyperides specifically said in the prosecution trial about Philippides that is stated in the papyrus. I already started up the page Philippides (prosecuted by hypereides) but it's still being reviewed.Researchdata99 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I started up a page about ancientgreek Philippides being prosecuted by Hypereides. I'd like to add another part that lists the quotes of what hypereides said about Philippides during the trial . This is in the ancient papyrus .The article is still being reviewed. Can you help me out without changing what I added?Researchdata99 (talk) 19:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

To add a subdivision you should write something like ==New division==. You can find details in Help:Section. Ruslik_Zero 20:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Your draft would be easier to understand if it stated Philippides's nationality. I'm guessing that he was Athenian, but the draft doesn't say. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I get this information accepted?

What do I need to do in order to get this information accepted into Wikipedia:

“Berman Corner”

A printed document (a business card, a handout, a magazine,…), after being printed gets a tiny 45-degree cut of paper trimmed from one of its four corners. The cut is not large enough to get in the way of the printed message, but large enough that a person who can’t see can notice that one of the corners is intentionally chopped. This tactile clue is a signal that, within 3.5 inches of that corner there is a scannable code, such as a QR code. The person then uses any barcode scanning app on their smartphone (e.g. Google Goggles) to scan the code (if they don’t find one on one side of the paper, they try the other side). The code then identifies the document, contains all the document information, and/or takes them to the accessible equivalent online (perhaps a PDF or a Web page).

The cut corner is a very inexpensive approach: scissors can be used for a single document, while commercial printers can very inexpensively shave a corner on a print job upon request (we’d like to think that commercial printers will even embrace providing such an accommodation at no charge.)

Meanwhile, QR codes cost nothing to create: there are many free online tools for making them.

This was all the result of design research (led by Khadija Safri) that included studying other attempts by public and private sector organizations to put indicators on documents (identity cards, hotel electronic room keys), and testing various prototypes with people who are blind. 2607:FEA8:C3A0:6D4:1596:6F0B:1592:153E (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

it's already on Wikipedia, see David Berman (graphic designer) but it needs improved citations. Nthep (talk) 22:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi anonymous IP, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I wonder if you are User:Keataluck, or have some connection with that user, or with the subject, but only to establish whether you have a WP:conflict of interest.)
:I think you might have to wait until David Berman's suggestion has been written about elsewhere before you can create a Wikipedia article, but if you can find independent WP:Reliable sources where the suggestion has been evaluated, then we can help you to create an article. Dbfirs 22:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Trying to find out who made changes on a page

I am editing the Writers Guild of America West page to update and make some corrections. I see that JNorton7558 edited the page in November, and I am trying to find out who this person is and if they are affiliated with the WGAW. Only reason I ask is that I work for the Guild and am responsible for Wikipedia update and curious as to who entered this information.

As a new editor, I'm having trouble reaching JNorton and would appreciate some help in how to do it. Still finding my way around Wikipedia edits.

Many thanks.Jdmcd (talk) 22:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You can reach that editor here --S Philbrick(Talk) 22:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

If you work for the Guild you are not permitted to edit until you have made the declaration required regarding paid editing. You also need to read about conflict of interest and about "ownership" of articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 22:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editors can be as anonymous as they like. If you click on their name there may be information about them, but if there isn't then that's their choice to be anonymous. Egaoblai (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Egaoblai: Unless they are a paid editor, in which case they are required by the terms of use to disclose that (though not their identity). 331dot (talk) 15:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I was referring to the original question of a submitter wanting to know who a person simply out of curiousity. Egaoblai (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Signature?

Is there any way to save my signature so on talk pages the auto signature matches the one below? MossBoss254 talk

@Mossboss254: No, there is no way permitted by Wikipedia:Signatures. A signature can only be 255 characters and color changes require too much code. Wikipedia:Signatures#Font tags recommends spans with CSS which uses even more code than your font tags, e.g. replacing <font color="blue">M</font> with <span style="color:blue">M</span>. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Mossboss254, I might add that custom signatures are required to be compliant with WP:ACCESS, our guideline on editing with respect towards editors and readers with various physical challenges. I'm not extremely vision-impared, but I am having a difficult time parsing your signature. For a person with certain varieties of color blindness, it would be completely impossible. John from Idegon (talk) 01:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

What is "rescuing sources"?

I have encountered numerous edits which are commented as "rescuing sources". I thought these were web references were the web content is no longer available and archived versions were retrieved. I just encountered an article with 43 rescued sources but all were tagged as "deadurl=no". What exactly is "rescuing sources"? I tried searching "help:rescuing sources" which got exactly ONE, worthless match. User-duck (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

The bot in question is User:InternetArchiveBot, but you will see a description under another version at User:cyberbot II/FaQ/DeadlinksBot. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

So my initial thought is correct! However, the bot now seems to be adding an archived page to the reference (archiving if needed) and marking the reference with "dead-url=no". Is this correct behavior?

P.S. I have spent a LOT of effort retrieving archived pages. User-duck (talk) 02:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi User-duck, I have been wondering about that as well, as the practice produces an enormous amount of code bloat on pages with many references. However, this actually appears to be encouraged behaviour: WP:WAYBACK states that Editors are also encouraged to add an archive link as a part of each citation, or at least submit the referenced URL for archiving, at the same time that each citation is created or updated. So currently at any rate there's consensus that it's fine to slap archive links on everything. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:41, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote, Elmidae. I do not remember reading "add an archive link as a part of each citation" part, but it makes sense and I do "at least submit the referenced URL". Some web pages change (sometimes quite dramatically) and having the actual version archived would be useful. User-duck (talk) 20:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Article declined due to lacking references - how to resubmit?

Article declined due to lacking references - how to resubmit?

References have now been included.

Thank you 02:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SWISICT (talk • contribs)

@SWISICT: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You accidentally removed the template to enable you to resubmit it; it can be readded, but I regret to say that your draft is unsuitable as an article, as it reads as a directory listing or advertisement. This is an encyclopedia and not a school directory or advertising forum. Your username also suggests that you represent the school, and as such you must read about conflict of interest and paid editing at WP:COI and WP:PAID. You also will likely be asked to change your username to indicate use by an individual. 331dot (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you hadn't removed the previous feedback (including the rubrick "-- Do not remove this line! --"), you would have had a resubmit button. I have reinserted the relevant line. But you would be wasting your time, and that of a reviewer, if you were to resubmit in its current state. None of the text in the draft is referenced. The feedback includes a number of useful links, including to Help:Referencing for beginners, so please read them. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

What article? Please include a link so we know what you're talking about. Egaoblai (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Shen Wai International School. A lad insane talk 03:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

... which has now been deleted as a copyright violation. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Biased Nature of the Inequality in Hollywood Page

I've been editing articles for the Wiki-links tag, and I came across https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_in_Hollywood this. It reads to me like something that belongs in a high school rhetoric class and, in its current state, doesn't work as an encyclopedia entry. I've tagged it as such for the time being for multiple issues. Thoughts? TheTechnician27 (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheTechnician27. A quick review of the edit history of this article shows that it was written as part of a university assignment at Kent State University two years ago. The student editor who wrote most of the content has not edited Wikipedia again since the class ended. The edits since then have amounted to minor maintenance. I encourage you to rewrite and improve the article as you see fit. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Source Code for Userbox Pictures and Information + Where to Find Allowable Pictures.

Hi, I'm looking for the source code needed to generate a userbox with a desired picture. What commands do I have to input to link an image and where do I find images that are allowed to be used on a user page? Thanks! Reixus (talk) 12:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't think you're going to find a freely licensed image of Mudkip, unfortunately. = / Benjamin (talk) 12:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, you're probably right :) But it would be nice to have some allowable pokémon related image in the ID space. Right know now how to link an image in the ID space, but how do I resize it? And is Wikimedia commons the only location from which I can use images? Thanks. Reixus (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm still learning myself. But hey, I found a free licensed Pokemon image! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiball.svg It's not technically Pokemon, so it's not under copyright. I'm not sure exactly how the law works, and where the line is drawn, but this is what the description says: "Intended as a Free icon to represent Wikipedia coverage of Nintendo's Pokémon franchise without using any images under Nintendo copyright. The uploader claims that those geometric elements copied from the description in Poké Ball are ineligible for copyright." It's not Mudkip, but it's probably the closest thing you're gonna get. Oh, hey, I just noticed the Pokemon logo is apparently in the public domain. I wonder why it's not copyrighted. Benjamin (talk) 12:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I found a Mudkip on Commons! I don't know why it's allowed...? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cosplayers_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_at_Anime_Expo_20160701.jpg Benjamin (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Benjaminikuta: Cool man, yeah I saw those pokéballs too when I browsed the Wikimedia commons. I'll try scanning the WP:Userbox page to figure out the resizing feature. Thanks for your updates. Reixus (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

commons:File:Cosplayers of Pokémon at Anime Expo 20160701.jpg may be allowed because the Mudkip is only a small part of the photo. Don't try to crop it to show it by itself in a userbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

user linking between wikis?

~ Hi. Can I automatically have a user account and pages linked between wikis? I have an en account but would like a de account also. Rolmops23 (talk) 12:25, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

You do have a de account, and others, see WP:Unified login. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Realised after asking. Thanks. Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

The code [[de:Benutzer:Rolmops23]] on User:Rolmops23 will create a link to your German account de:Benutzer:Rolmops23 under "Languages" in the left pane. Similarly, [[en:User:Rolmops23]] on your German account will create a link to the English account. See more at Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Have working links now. Thanks.Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Rolmops23, if you want to do this automatically on all Wikis, see: meta:Global user pages – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

That's interesting, although the de user pages are now made. Maybe another time. Thanks. Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Not able

Greetings,

1. How do you measure Notability? 2. Your "Ask Question" Javascript is kinda broken on Firefox and Chrome

Regards,

Flintiii Flintiii (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flintiii: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As for notability, you can read about it in general at WP:N. Many subject areas have specific guidelines, such as WP:BAND for music. In general, though, a subject is notable if it gets significant coverage in multiple sources that are independent of the subject. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

The draft about your software Draft:VisualBash has 4 references two are to your own website, one is a blog with an error message, the other is to Github, which says "VisualBash is a modest and seriously tongue-in-cheek bash programmiung framework." none of these even begin to establish notability I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flintiii: Yeah, if you just want to tell the world about your software, you will need to find another forum. Wikipedia is only for subjects that have been discussed in third party sources. Sorry. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) One way to look at it, Flintiii, is that Wikipedia has essentially no interest at all in what a subject has written about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employers, employees, or associates have written about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with a subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in a reliable place (that is, one with a reputation for editorial oversight and fact-checking). "Notability" means that somebody unconnected with the subject has taken note of it enough to have published in-depth material about it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

different results between read and edit source?

Hi, an entire section of my draft has disappeared. "Art and Business Career" has vanished. Part of it has been added to "Early Life", mid-sentence. When I view "edit source", it's all still there in the correct place. Only under "read" does it disappear. if I need to combine or edit the two sections, I can do that, but I don't understand why it "reads" one way and "edit source" shows another. Many thanks for any help!

UnlikelySailor (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi UnlikelySailor. I've just fixed it for you. You need to close your re-used ref tags with a />, like this <ref name="Reese Palley" />, or it will treat all the subsequent text as part of the reference. – Joe (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Social

How do you ping other editors and how do you properly comment on talk pages?Weebeecool (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Weebeecool: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Advice and guidelines in using talk pages can be found at the page this link goes to. There are several ways to ping editors, you may notice I pinged you with this message by typing {{replyto|Weebeecool}} at the beginning. You can also type {{u|Username here}} or simply link to the target person's userpage with [[User:Username here|Username here]].

I note that you titled this section "social"; Wikipedia is not social media, our purpose in being here is to work on this encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

how to create a wikipedia biography page for a living person

I have been asked to create a wikipedia biography page for a friend. He is living. I made an attempt and it has been completely deleted. I need help please.

Jeff BrownJazzilover (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jazzilover: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a friend has asked you to create a page about them, it is a conflict of interest; please read about conflict of interest at WP:COI before editing further. If your friend is paying you to do so, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with WP:PAID and declare such status.

I cannot see your page since it was deleted(though an administrator can and will likely comment here) but the log indicates that it was deleted because it was promotional. This would be because it encouraged readers to visit a website or buy something, or it would be because the page merely provided information. Wikipedia is [{WP:NOTSOCIAL|not social media]] to just post biographies; this is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia articles cannot be promotional in nature, and they must do more than provide information. They must indicate with independent reliable sources that give in depth coverage how the subject is notable. If you can do that, I would highly suggest that you visit Articles for Creation to do so. If all you want to do is tell the world about your friend, you will need to use actual social media to do that. 331dot (talk) 21:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. An example of what i'm trying to accomplish is if you go to the 1st polemarch of my fraternity whose name is Elder Watson Diggs. He is deceased, but the person i'm trying to create a wikipidia for is the 27th polemarch. His name is Robert L. Harris. So i'm confused on not being able to create the page?Jazzilover (talk) 21:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok, that helps a bit. I can see why there is an article about the 1st polemarch, based on reading it, as he was a founder of the fraternity and has a school named for him, among other notable aspects. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the 27th one would merit an article, either. He would need to have been written about in independent sources(as the first one is); merely holding the same position wouldn't be enough. If you read the notability guidelines for biographies at WP:BIO you will get an idea of what is being looked for.331dot (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@331dot:

I believe when I google Robert L Harris' name it references the independent sources. I also read the notability guidelines and I believe it meets the criteria. How would you suggest I proceed?Jazzilover (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

You need to forget that you know the subject, and ignore everything that you know about him, then collect all the documents where Robert L Harris has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources, ignoring his website, and all social media, then summarise what these independent reliable sources have written about him, using the appropriate source as a reference for each statement. The first two of your references seem to about Watson Diggs, and the third might be just a mention (or it might give more detail -- I don't have a copy to check), but it seems to be a self-published document by the Fraternity, so is not entirely independent. You might like to read this guidance. Dbfirs 23:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

article problems

Hi. I have recently submitted my article and they said that I need footnotes,I recently added footnote and resubmit and Its still swing I need footnotes. Can you help?(XploJan(Musician) (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC))

@XploJan(Musician): Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that the page you are writing is about yourself- this is highly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves(though you are proceeding correctly in writing a draft first). It would be much better if you allowed others to write about you- assuming that you meet the notability guidelines for musicians listed at WP:BAND. Do you understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not social media for users to just write about themselves? As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia wants articles that indicate how the subject is notable with in depth coverage independent reliable sources, that is, sources written by third parties. Your draft seems to have one source, it is a book but based on what it seems to be citing, it doesn't indicate how you meet at least one of the guidelines listed at WP:BAND.

I'll be honest that I highly doubt you meet the notability guidelines based on what you have written. If you have read them and do meet at least one guideline, and can show that with proper sources, you need to write the article as if you have never heard of yourself. That is usually difficult for most people to do(though not impossible). Again, if you do meet the guidelines for notability, I highly suggest that you allow others to write about you. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Line "Breaks"?

Is it

<br>

or

<br/>

or

<br />

? Which one is right or are they all fine? If all are allowed, which one should I use? – JocularJellyfish ^Talk_Contribs 21:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi JocularJellyfish, welcome back to the Teahouse. According to Help:HTML in wikitext#br, both <br> and <br /> are fine. Good ol' Stack Overflow tells me that <br /> is technically only there to maintain compatibility with XHTML, so since Wikipedia uses HTML5, <br> is all that is needed, but again, it doesn't really matter which you use because both generate the same output. Mz7 (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. – JocularJellyfish ^Talk_Contribs 22:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@JocularJellyfish: So, I actually did a little bit more poking around out of curiosity, and as it turns out, no matter which form you use – <br>, <br/>, or <br /> – the MediaWiki software which runs Wikipedia will automatically convert this into <br />. You can see this in action if you go to the Kirstjen Nielsen page, which you recently edited to switch <br/> to <br>. If you view the HTML source of the page in your web browser, you can see that the web browser is actually interpreting <br />, regardless of which you use in your wikitext:

<tr>
<th colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background:lavender">Chief of Staff to the<br />
United States Secretary of Homeland Security</th>
</tr>

Pretty interesting. Again, as I said, it doesn't matter which you use because they all generate the same output. Mz7 (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Signature?

I found the place where you can create your own signature. Now how do I make one? Thissecretperson (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@Thissecretperson: Look at WP:CUSTOMSIG for how to modify your default signature. RudolfRed (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Unsure about issues with rejected wikipedia page

My Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sarah_Megan_Thomas was rejected due to "This needs more independent reliable sources featuring in-depth coverage as opposed to passing mentions and interviews". My references were New York Times interviews and IMDb pages. I'm wondering why this was rejected. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Bahil01 (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bahil01 and welcome to the Teahouse. Interviews and IMDb pages are not the best sources because they are generated by the subject themselves. Wikipedia is not really interested in what people say about themselves, or what their publicity agents put out. Try to find some independent WP:reliable sources where the subject has been written about in detail by someone else. Dbfirs 23:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

about to submit

Hi all, as soon as I send this I'm going to finally submit my first attempt at a Wikipage. I would like to thank everyone who patiently answered my newbie questions. Got one more. Some of my biographical info is from interviews with the widow. How, or am I even allowed, to cite that information? Thanks,

UnlikelySailor (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@UnlikelySailor: Are these interviews published somewhere? 331dot (talk) 22:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

No. Just emails. Thank you.

2602:306:37FC:3B0:217C:D5EE:92BB:F977 (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@UnlikelySailor: In that case, you cannot use the information from those interviews in Wikipedia, unfortunately. One of our core content policies is the no original research policy, which states that everything you include in Wikipedia must come from a published, reliable source. If the interviews have not been published by a reliable source, we cannot use them in Wikipedia, unfortunately. Mz7 (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

In addition, verifiability is important as well; your emails are almost impossible to independently verify. I believe what you say, but that is not sufficient. 331dot (talk) 22:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

In addition, Wikipedia itself is not counted as a reliable source, so just use an internal link, don't claim it as a reference. Dbfirs 23:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, UnlikelySailor. One way to possibly make use of the info garnered by your interviews would be to contact a journalist and see if you could interest him or her in writing a story on it. Then you could cite the newspaper it may be published in. John from Idegon (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

i've removed the wikipedia refs. i missed that when i was reviewing it. still, you should just be able to take supporting sources fromt he article you linked to, and use those, so not a huge issue -- Aunva6^{talk - contribs} 06:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Saving a signature

I'm trying to save a signature ans whenever I put it I get an error saying invalid markup... Any suggestions? [[User:Mossboss254|Moss<font color="cyan">Boss</font><font color="cyan">254</font><font color="cyan"> <sup>[[User_talk:Mossboss254|Talk]]</sup>

You have both an unclosed <font color="cyan"> before <sup> and an open [[ at the start. I had to deactivate the code to prevent the following text from getting caught by the open tags. I'm not sure which signature you want but this is at least valid and enables you to separately set colors in Moss, Boss, 254: MossBoss254 ^Talk. PrimeHunter 01:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

I might add that this signature has fairly low contrast and could be difficult to read for editors with color blindness. A lad insane talk 17:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I contribute as a reviewer?

I don't have much time due to busy work schedule.

I would rather pick and choose (cherry pick) the articles that I am knowledgeable about.

N S Christian (talk) 01:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@N S Christian: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As we are all volunteers, you can certainly review (or not review) any articles that you wish for any reason. If there are certain subject areas that interest you that you would like to focus on, there may be a relevant WikiProject that could guide you to articles you are interested in. For example, there is a Mathematics WikiProject for users interested in working on math-related articles. To see if there is a project in an area you are interested in, you can visit WP:PJ which will take you to the main WikiProject page, which has a search bar where you can search for topics, or you can look through the directory manually. Other users may have other ideas on how to do what you want to do. 331dot (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@N S Christian: Are you referring to new articles waiting for review? You can choose any one you want to review. See the instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions. You shouldn't be using your personal knowledge if the article is acceptable or not. Use the crtieria listed there. RudolfRed (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

N S Christian, you are allowed to edit virtually any articles you want (at this point, you have not made enough edits to edit articles that are under "extended confirmed" protection. Those are primarily highly contentious articles, usually in a political area like American politics or the Arab-Isrealli conflict). Of course, you are free to choose not to edit any article. If by "review" articles, you mean participate in one of the three formal review processes we have ( Pending changes, Articles for Creation or New page review), you haven't near enough experience to qualify. You've only been here a month and have only 17 mainspace edits. For NPR and AFC, 500 edits and 3 months experience are the minimum requirement. For PCR, their is no minimum experience required, but you must demonstrate a clear knowledge of anti-vandalism and show experience working at it. John from Idegon (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

correct information vs no original research dilemma

Hi. I was reading about the Porsche 917 16 cylinder prototype on de wikipedia. Some stated figures don't agree with calculation. It was hoped the english version would refer to the german as a reliable source. Is there a way to provide correct information while avoiding original research? Rolmops23 (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rolmops23: Wikipedia is not a Reliable Source, so you cant cite it in an article. Not sure if you're saying the English version does not agree with the german version or vice-versa. You can look at what sources are used in the article that is correct, and use the same sources in the other article. You could also raise the issue on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh. I will remove the ref. No source on the de page was given. I found in WP:NOR that routine calculation is acceptable reason to base an edit, although I hesitate to do so without consensus. Rolmops23 (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Preview

How come sometimes on page preview, I can see the infobox image, and sometimes I can't. I don't mean when it's just slow and there's a blank box at first. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 02:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello anonymous and welcome to the Teahouse.

I don't think that should happen and the fact that you are seeing it means that, most likely, there is some network problem getting in the way of delivering content to you. The images generally come from different servers than the article text content. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Blockchain companies in India

The |blockchain| is the buzzword of the 21st century. The forecasters have revealed that the [Blockchain technology] will disrupt most of the industries. The world is changing at a very fast pace and it is unavoidable to dismiss the technological advancement. As a result, the business houses in India are also tilting towards the use of this modern day technology.

There are news reports stating that Mahindra and IBM are collaborating together to search Blockchain technology for capturing supply chain and logistics. Moreover, in this year only |ICICI bank| started working to adopt Blockchain in order to further the motive of expanding the digital banking.

The Make in India initiative coupled with the digitization schemes is working to amalgamate Blockchain technology with the Indian market. Though the technology is still in its blooming days and needs time to mature, though young entrepreneurs are sensing opportunities in Blockchain supported startup ideas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunsingh905 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Arjunsingh905.

Reading through your post, it doesn't look like you've asked a question about editing Wikipedia. It looks like you may have the beginnings of an article, but I suggest you work up a draft in your userspace first, taking a look at your first article for advice. There's a lot to learn, I'm afraid, so you may want to tackle some smaller edits first to get the hang of it. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

References

Profile of my company's CEO

Hi I would like to create a profile of the CEO of my organisation. I understand that there'll be a conflict of interest if I do it myself, can anyone else help me with the same? How do I go about it? Laddoo0684 (talk) 06:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Laddoo0684. Thank you for coming here and asking, rather than plunging into it. I'm afraid that the advice I'm going to give is not encouraging to your project, for various reasons. The main one is that when you talk about a "profile", that suggests to me that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia does not contain profiles: not one, not even of Jimmy Wales. What it contains is encyclopaedia articles about subjects. These are (or should be) neutrally written articles summarising what people who have no connection with the subject have published about the subject in reliable places. What the subject or their associates have written or said about them is of little interest to Wikipedia; and how they wish to be portrayed, of absolutely no interest.

If you want to proceed with this project, the ideal approach would be to post a request at requested articles; but the truth is that the uptake of suggestions there is very small. If there is an active Wikiproject relevant to what the organisation does, then it is possible that posting a request at the WikiProject's talk page will attract somebody's interest in working on an article about your CEO.

Or, provided you comply with the procedures in COI and if relevant in PAID, you are permitted to try writing the article yourself: in that case I would advise you to start by reading your first article carefully, and getting some experience editing elsewhere first.

In any case, if you or anybody else is going to work on an article about your CEO, the first step is finding several independent reliable sources that write about him in some depth: nothing written or published by the company or its associates; nothing based on an interview or press release; nothing in a blog, forum, wiki, or social media; but places where somebody who has no connection with the company or the CEO has chosen to write in depth about the CEO (not just the company) and had it published in a place with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, sch as a major newspaper, trade magazine, or a book from a reputable publisher. It is worth your looking for these in any case, because if they do not exist, then your CEO is not currenty notable as Wikipedia uses the word, and no article will be accepted however it is written. If you do find some, then the project is more practical, and you can go ahead and look for a collaborator, or try writing it yourself using the article wizard to create a draft.

But my advice would be to abandon the project, and (if you are interested in helping us improve Wikipedia) find some topics you are interested in but do not have a COI. If your CEO is notable, then sooner or later somebody will write an article about them. Cheers. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Daily Mail as a source

Hi, the article The Real Marigold Hotel has a source by Daily Mail under "Reception". considering the Daily Mail RfC and the review being an opinion, would it be fine to retain it when there are reviews supported by other sources? Thanks. MT Train^Discuss 08:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Mentioning Mail reviews is no problem at all; the RFC explicitly makes exception for when the Mail is used as a source for its own opinions. The issue is using the Mail as a source for facts, given their tendency to make things up. ‑ Iridescent 08:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up. MT Train^Discuss 10:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Saving a draft

Hello , I saved a draft of a first paragraph and then could not find it again. I have written an article that I would like to save. Where can I locate it again to continue work such as uploading photos and creating links. Thanks, ReginaRgroman (talk) 14:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rgroman: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are no other edits logged in the edit history of your username, so I would suspect that you created and saved your paragraph while logged out. It's probably still under the edit history of whatever IP address you used. Either that, or you created it under a different username. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

About me

I am a editor of Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devendra prashant Tripathi (talk • contribs) 14:29, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Devendra prashant Tripathi and welcome to our Teahouse. It's great that you've started editing on Wikipedia - helping to make this the world's greatest free encyclopaedia, where you can find out about everything from Pokemon characters, giants of politics or proteins in the human genome. May I make a couple of suggestions? I see you've used your full name and also put you're parents names and school on your user page. I would suggest this isn't really a good idea at all - we are quite happy for people to edit here anonymously, just so long as they act responsibly and make worthwhile contributions. Whilst I have chosen to use my real name here, most do not. For younger users like yourself you could put yourself at risk of harassment or bullying if someone dislikes the edits you made, and could trace you. That said we have some amazing young editors here, so age itself is no restriction. May I suggest you take a look at this guidance: Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors and consider whether using an account which doesn't identify you might not be a safer approach to editing here. I'm sure an administrator here could help you with that if you wish.

Secondly, do try out our interactive Wikipedia Adventure for a great introduction to some of the basics of editing here. Or there's more help at this getting started page. I'll pop over to your talk page and leave you a few other useful links for you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

notibility

Hello. I have recently submitted an article about a musical artiste and they said that the subject is not notable. Can google be used as notability for his singles?(Frankpowers (talk) 14:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

@Frankpowers: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would note that a similar question to this about the same singer was asked above by someone with the username XploJan(Musician). I would ask if you either used that username previously, and/or if you represent this musician. If you represent this musician, you must read the conflict of interest policy (at WP:COI) and the paid editing policy (at WP:PAID) if you are a paid representative. The latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia specifically, or doing so as part of your job duties.

Regarding your question, please read the notability guidelines for musicians at WP:BAND. If this musician meets at least one of them, you will then need independent reliable sources to support the content of the article. These can be found using Google, but Google itself is not a source. Neither is brief mentions of this musician or places to obtain their music. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi there, Frankpowers. 331dot has really said it all (above) but, as our edits clashed, I'll just add in what I was going to say, anyway. Whilst you can obviously use Google to find sources about a subject which might demonstrate that independent, third-party sources have written in some depth about a person, you cannot (as your question seems to suggest) use the fact that Google goes off, searches, and digs up all sorts of stuff about all sorts of obscure subjects. (If that were the case it would justify me having a page about myself here, too, and I'm simply not notable enough.) The problem is that search engines aren't intelligent - they can't tell fact from fiction, YouTube links or social media fansites from detailed newspaper articles or a nation's music charts. We have to look at each search result carefully and assess them against established Wikipedia guidelines for different topics. In the case of musicians, you should, as has been suggested above, take a look at the criteria set out in Wikipedia:Notability (music), which I hope will help you. It covers bands, solo artists and music tracks, concert tours and composers. If you don't think that artist (Draft:Xplojan(Musician)) can match even one of those criteria, then there's little hope for now. Of course, if they do become more well-known later on in life and have hit songs, awards or chart toppers (or whatever) or have in-depth articles written about them, then that would be the time to reconsider. Should you want to read about the issue of being a bit premature in a bit more details, this is an interesting essay on the subject. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello again. I am not writing about some close to me or who I know personally. I am not getting paid either but if I should say that someone is paying me will the article be accepted? Its just merely a musicians musical article its not for promotional use but if someone search for the artiste on Google I want his bio and so forth to show up you understand? By the way can u create the article for me please please or atlease accept it?(Frankpowers (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

@Frankpowers: If you aren't a paid editor, then you shouldn't say that you are, and doing so will not cause the article to be accepted. If you are a paid editor, however, you do need to declare it. However, you have not answered my question above as to your username use. If you are not associated with this musician, why are you so interested in search results for them? Wikipedia is not for merely posting a "bio" of someone; they must be considered notable as I state above. Have you reviewed WP:BAND yet?

If you want someone else to create the page, you can make a suggestion at Requested Articles, however it is severely backlogged and it may be quite some time before someone writes an article, if at all. 331dot (talk) 15:32, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

By the way, if you have any follow up comments, please simply add them to this section instead of starting a new section, by clicking "Edit" at the top of this section(next to where you wrote "notability"). 331dot (talk) 15:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes I read WP:BAND but I dont really understand it. Can you explain what the article really needs?(Frankpowers (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

And the artiste has not received any awards or so yet. So the only notable source is google/ YouTube which has his singles and performances.(Frankpowers (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

@Frankpowers: A video of this musician performing and recordings of their music are not independent reliable sources. What the article needs is sources written by third parties, such as news stories, independent reviews, or anything not associated with this musician. WP:BAND spells out the specific criteria that merits musicians articles on Wikipedia. If an artist meets at least one of them, and it can be shown with independent sources, they may merit an article here. As an example, an artist's album making the music charts of a country merits that person an article- as does an artist's album being Gold.

I again request that you answer my question above; If you are not associated with this musician, why are you so interested in search results for them? 331dot (talk) 16:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

I dont know the artiste personally but I was just suggesting that if the article is created will it show in search results?(Frankpowers (talk) 16:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

It will eventually show up in search results if an article is accepted, though not immediately. 331dot (talk) 16:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Please understand, Frankpowers, that Wikipedia is not interested - not even a little bit - in what I know, what you know, or what some random person on the internet knows. It is only a tiny bit interested in what a person (or band, or organisation) has said, written or published, or what their friends or associates have said about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with a subject have chosen to publish about the subject in a reliable place (with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). It follows that unless there is reliably published material about the subject by people who have no connection with them, there is literally nothing that can go into an article. That is what we mean by the requirement of notability.

One more point: you say "but if someone search for the artiste on Google I want his bio and so forth to show up". That is exactly what we mean by promotion. Wikipedia is not for bringing something to the world's notice: it is for collecting the information together that the world has already said about the something. --ColinFine (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Visually editing Talk Pages

I seem to remember editing a couple of Talk Pages using the Visual Editor (perhaps I'm wrong about this). In any case I can't use the VE anymore on Talk pages. Is this due to my settings? Or is the VE disabled for Talk pages? I can work with wikitext on Talk pages but I'm just curious about VE options. Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemorrell49 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@Mikemorrell49: Perhaps in the past this was possible, but now the Visual Editor is not enabled for talk pages. See WP:VE for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks RudolfRed. Mikemorrell49 (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I submit my draft?

How do I submit my draft? Musikerin97 (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Musikerin97. I've added a template with a submission button to the top of your draft. You can click the button to submit it whenever you're ready. – Joe (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Commons

Hello editors, can someone talk to me on how to fix images in my userpage from commons. I tried fixing some today but I was unable to get th right link. Thanks in advance Spurb^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia - relax and enjoy! You can edit this caption to your preferred wording, but never change the filename itself or the image will disappear

Hello, Spurb - welcome to the Teahouse. I'll paste in a reply I gave to another user who recently needed help on the same subject, which worked for them:

I am assuming you have already found an image on Wikimedia Commons (like this one of a cup of tea) that you want to use, rather than are asking how to upload your own photo from scratch. If so, click on the link in the previous sentence, or click the photograph you see here - you're taken to the same place - and look just above the picture, and beneath the filename where you'll see a line of five small links. Look for the link with the tiny Wikipedia 'W' logo and the words "Use this file". Click that link and select the text offered to "Use this file on a Wiki as a Thumbnail". (The convention is always to add an image as a thumbnail, no matter how much you'd love to make it larger.) Copy the link to your clipboard and then go to the Wikipedia page you want to add it to (let's assume we want to add it to the page we're on now). Edit the page (ie click the tab labelled Edit Source). Scroll down to the section you'd like to add it to, and paste in the text you copied at the very top of that section. By default, this adds the thumbnail picture and its caption on the right hand side of the page, as you see here. To change the caption text, just edit the text to the right of the vertical bar - or 'pipe'. Don't change the filename.jpg text itself or the image link will be broken. There are some useful links on this help page: Wikipedia:Images with further guidance and tweaks, or detailed layout possibilities at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial.

Of course, if you use the Visual Editor (which is a bit more WYSIWYG), the process is slightly different. You once again navigate to the section where the image is needed, then, in the editing toolbar, click Insert > Media. At the search bar in the popup that then appears, type the keyword to search for certain image types, or just type in the filename of your image you've already chosen from Wikimedia Commons. Select the image and then click 'Use this image'. Before inserting it you'll be prompted to add a caption. Captions can include hyperlinks, but that's probably best left for another time. I hope this helps. If you need advice on actually uploading your own image first, that requires a slightly different answer and a mention of copyright issues. Let us know if you need further help on that. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2017 (UTC)