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I'm very sad, 3 Drafts are not accepting because i am ip and not editor, all have sources, And they refuse for the same reasons. Everyone rejects drafts, nobody helps, we try hours, and they easily refuse in seconds. 1-Draft:Sherif Salama, 2- Draft:Napoleon Wal Mahrousa, 3- Draft:Ali Mansour. --41.35.85.111 (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC) 41.35.85.111 (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Note this was posted about 10 hours ago above at #Submit Draft:Ali Mansour. Please don't do that. If you want to add to your previous posting, just edit that section. You have been given lots of feedback on the article page itself regarding notability (and lack thereof) and unsuitability of sources like blogs, interviews, and IMDb. It has nothing to do with you being an IP editor. If others have something to contribute, they will respond in time – we are all volunteers with real lives to attend to. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed Draft:Sherif Salama and I am sorry but it needs work before publication can be considered. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

     Just make an account, and it will save the drafts, its also not the best idea to be an ip editor, because people have access to a lot of info. 

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://elcinema.com/person/2140347/	Independent	Appears to be reliable	Directory entry	✘ No
https://alwafd.news/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%86%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%AD%D9%81%D9%89/3025076-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D8%B8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%84	Largely what the subject said about itself, probbably interview	Appears to be reliable	A few sentences, most by the subject, not even a full paragraph	✘ No
https://www.msr4.com/art-news/%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86/	Appears to be largely independent	? I'm unsure about the reliability of this website	? More coverage than the last one, but still questionable	? Unknown
https://arabic-media.com/articles/id/posts.php?title=Backstage-filming-of-Saraya-Abdeen-series	Appears to be independent	Probbably reliable	Largely about the film, not the actor	✘ No
https://dhliz.com/artist/ali_mansour/	Appears to be independent	Appeas to be user-editable, at least I saw something like a rate button	Directory entry	✘ No
https://www.dostor.org/2616509	? Apepars to be largely what the subject reported, but I cant say that for sure using google translate	Appears to be reliable	A few paragraphs.	? Unknown
https://akhbarelyom.com/news/newdetails/2878459/1/-%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%83-%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF-..-%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%84-%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1	? Largely stuff by Mansur on His works, Partially reported by the subject	Appaers to be a somewhat reliable source in general	Largely about the place he is, describing the wonderfull nature there	✘ No
https://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/1392385	Largely what the subject reported	Appears to be a reliable newspaper		✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUVGasEHWE	Interview with the subject	? Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability	17:20 Minutes	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgEGrMwC7AM	Interview with the subject	? Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability	12:18 Minutes	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Note:I had to use google translate to asses, which makes things rather difficult. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Victor Schmidt mobil, source No. 4 about the actor and tells about his role in the series. Translate the content of source: The artist Ali Mansour said that he considers himself lucky, because he participated in a work with the star Yousra, and Ali Mansour embodies within the events of the series "Saraya Abdin" a character (a French photographer) who came to Egypt to take the first photo inside Egypt, and the picture was of the family of Khedive Ismail (Qusai Khouli The mother, Pasha (Yusra), is inside the Abdin Palace garden.
• and all sources speak about Ali Mansour and what he does, you can be sure with google translate (Translate the content of sources). and source assess table shows that there are source newspaper, and sources Independent reliable. Thank you. -102.45.13.38 (talk) 16:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Otr500 , Okay, I will work on Draft:Sherif Salama more thanks. This is a very famous actor in the Arab world. -102.45.13.38 (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Victor Schmidt mobil, New source "Ali Mansour reveals his role in the series "Napoleon wal Mahroussa." elfann.com. -41.35.87.185 (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Victor Schmidt mobil, I have make an account, Thank you. -Eng Mohammed Hamdy (talk) 22:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Info about Draft : Eugènie Jeanne Devolle

My Draft has not been selected even though I have put a reference and I have a tip to do when you go to the reference. Please Review again. Yours sincerely Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: Wikis are not reliable sources because the users generate the content. This includes Wikipedia itself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I have more references now.Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: No, geni.com is not reliable for the same reason; the users submit the content. This disqualifies most social media sites. Please also note that notability is not inherited. Just because someone is a relative of a notable person does not make themselves notable. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Wiki-Nihaal. If you are referring to Draft:Eugènie Jeanne Devolle the ball is firmly in your court. It is quite unacceptable as a new article right now, and needs much, much more work from you, as explained in the rejection notice left by Theroadislong. Which bit of that did you not understand? Please DO NOT resubmit that draft for review until you actually know what needs to go into a new article. Try reading WP:YFA, to start with. Looking at your talk page, you appear to have attempted to create this page with minimal content on three or four past occasions over the last few days, and each has been deleted because they were wholly insufficient as an encyclopaedia page here. There will come a point where, if you keep trying to create this article based on virtually no references and malformed text, you'll be seen as just wasting everyone's time. Take your time - there is no rush. Better to spend weeks or months getting it right than having future page-creation blocked ('salted') for time wasting. (I feel we might be getting close to that point, which would be a real shame) Just remember, you cannot use any 'user-generated' page (like other wikis and genealogical sites) as a reference to prove notability. You need to stop and search for proper books, magazine or journals which go into depth about the person, and appreciate that 'Notability is not inherited'. The parent of a notable person doesn't automatically deserve a page of their own - it's up to you to find in-depth sources which prove they're notable in their own right. Notability doesn't just mean you provide a few links to show when she was born and died, or who her kids were. Please read Wikipedia:Competence is required to appreciate some of the concerns I have over your approach to contributing here. Slow down, and perhaps you should give The Wikipedia Adventure tour a go. There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basics of editing. RegardsNick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: One thing that anyone writing an article about a subject should do is to look for existing articles in the encyclopaedia that demonstrate what a proper article is supposed to look like. For example, in this case, if Eugènie Jeanne Devolle is supposed to be notable as a fashion designer, you might compare your article draft with Coco Chanel. Do you see the differences? Nobody expects you to start out with a complete article like this, of course, but it should at least have the "bones" of an article (sections, at least some prose written in English sentences, references, etc.). This is, of course, after you have resolved the notability issue addressed by others above (i.e., three or more published, reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of her). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I read she was a washerwoman! Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC) I have found only genealogical sites as a reference, I am going to check other non-genealogy websites or leave it alone and go to some other topic Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC) Is peoplepill a good reference website? Science Wiki Guy (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Wiki-Nihaal, when you are unsure about the reliability of a source, you should first check the list at WP:RSP and if it is not mentioned there, you can perform a search to see if it has been discussed somewhere else. If you can't find that either, you can ask about it at WP:RSN.

In this case, assuming you mean peoplepill.com, its about page says it publishes user-submitted profiles about any person they are familiar with. Crowd-sourced or wiki-style content publisher is not a reliable source (see WP:UGC). Its articles (probably not all) near the bottom (just below the share buttons) say that the content was taken from Wikipedia which is another evidence that it is not a reliable source. Getting back to Wikipedia, I didn't find it with Ctrl+F at WP:RSP. Searching wikipedia showed that it has been discussed or used in other articles, but it does not seem to have its own Wikipedia article (not a good sign). It however has an entry at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/PQR#PeoplePill. Since Wikipedia is not a reliable source, mirror and fork websites that publish content taken from Wikipedia are not reliable either. The website is apparently blacklisted, so the edit filter doesn't even allow editors to mention it, so that would be the end of that. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions from a beginner:

Hi everyone,

My company wants me to create them a Wikipedia page and in all honesty I'm not sure where to start. I have made ten edits and tomorrow my account will be four days old, does this mean I'll be able to publish live articles? Also, how can I upload company pictures? Lastly, I was simply editing my Sandbox for practice but it wouldn't allow me to save the changes because it deemed them as harmful to the article, why would this be?

I appreciate any help I can get! MattHHM (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello MattHHM, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like your company is local to me here in Derbyshire, England, so perhaps I can advise. Firstly, please tell your bosses that Wikipedia and our volunteers are not here to help them get free promotion for their business, and that they're acting unreasonably if they've set this as a goal for you. Just tell them to build a better website. Read WP:NCORP to ascertain our notability criteria for businesses. If your company cannot meet them, it will stand absolutely no chance here. You should look for independent, in-depth articles or publications which have paid attention to your company. You ignore your own website, social media, PR notices, Marketing Derby eshots and all the rest. Look for national or international coverage in mainstream media or publications. If you can't find any, then tell your bosses you cannot do their bidding. It's as simple as that. Having actually managed to find good sources, you would use them and only them to create a draft page. You would need to follow our obligatory policy on declaring paid writing. See WP:PAID. Forget pictures at this stage. It's meeting notability that counts - the rest is fluff that can be added later. You would start with a draft using our wizard at Articles for Creation and only submit it for review once it's looking like it'll meet our notability criteria. If you tried to place it directly into 'mainspace', chances are it would get speedily deleted as pure promotion. Bear in mind that most editor spend months learning how to edit before ever thinking about creating a new page. It's the hardest of tasks here - akin to never having driven and then being told to shoot up the M1 to Scotland. You stand a good chance of crashing en route. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, thanks for your response. I should probably explain that I am not actually employed by Hot House Music, I am an intern employed by The University of Derby. This is part of my University work to improve my degree, therefore I don't believe there to be a conflict of interest. There is a 4 star review by The Guardian on the company and international press articles from their tours to the USA, does this meet the notability criteria? Are you also saying that I cannot link the website or social media accounts? I am simply creating this page to display information for the public on a growing UK business, isn't that allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattHHM (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@MattHHM: thanks for getting back to me. Yes, you still have a conflict of interest, in my view. Not a problem if you follow the declaration instructions. Just declare you are being paid by Derby Uni to write about Hot House Music. (Just out of interest, is this a task set by Cbderbylib, and which course are you doing? I ask as I am keen to foster good relations with the staff at UoD, having helped to run an editathon there 2 years ago, and am happy to guide staff if they need help. If you're on a business or marketing course and they're teaching Wikipedia as a marketing tool, one of us probably ought to have words with your course leader.) Whilst it's OK to include one link to an official website in an 'External links' section, don't put in other social media accounts - thats too promotional, and anyone interested can simply go to the website link and take it from there. If you can provide 3 good in-depth articles in national media and not brief, rehashed PR Puffery, then you do stand more of a chance. You didn't link to any of them, so I can't comment further. Just carefully read and follow WP:NCORP for notability criteria. There are millions of brilliant but non-notable businesses in the world, and Wikipedia is not here to give any of them a 'leg up', but to summarise in a brief, encyclopaedic manner just those subjects that the world at large has already taken note of. So, the brief answer to your question "I am simply creating this page to display information for the public on a growing UK business, isn't that allowed?" is NO! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Not one of mine! 217.169.14.135 (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It would help if I was logged in... Cbderbylib (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

One further point, on top of Nick's excellent advice, MattHHM: something that people inexperienced in Wikipedia often don't understand is that an article is not for the benefit of the subject. If the subject derives some benefit from appearing in an article, that is lucky for them, but it figures nowhere in Wikipedia's purposes; and since the subject has no control whatever over the content of the article, some subjects do not find it beneficial: see WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

One point, MattHHM. Our policy on paid editing specifically includes interns as "paid editors". It also includes employees (or contractors) who are assigned to edit articles as part of their jobs, even if there is no specific payment for editinmg. It also includes employees with a general duty to promote the company, even if not specifically assigned to edit Wikipedia. So from your statement above you would be considered a paid editor, and must make the proper disclosure if you are to edit or create any such article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I appreciate all of your comments, they have helped tremendously! I wanted to ask if you believe the following articles and pieces would be useful to include on the page, some are about the company and some are regarding the Director Jonathan Eno:

1. https://www.ism.org/blog/hot-house-music?fbclid=IwAR0LYtQkimZ_1okcY8OS9ohGNaFc15ByQ8Z4JsWJur0eXCcBnS94WNlnHdk
2. https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/arts-and-culture/screaming-kicks-big-band-play-wirksworth-after-us-coast2coast-tour-218103
3. https://www.marketingderby.co.uk/news-library/tag/Hot+House+Music+School?fbclid=IwAR2qE54pwd9OcZjxVijOuT5tTs-qyPtKY0kQdSQ-a6fOtMNCiEQf9EAgvFo
4. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=FAT66pEIAy4&fbclid=IwAR1TVSEoKGRo-r3c7hXioNpg4ixDHqfq5Ewa3P6G35zTHn-hnX0pHL9vZzw&app=desktop
5. https://www.derby.ac.uk/inspired-business/fbclid=IwAR15RngqTX18ZKOdWbYlw2E_cCZFusfLz5Vg0Lk2hnFdg8e-jOLOMx9k8JI
6. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5409a75ce4b0dc350dc227fa/t/5daecda02ed72b22d6f728cf/1571737057288/Orrery2.pdf?fbclid=IwAR33TpsJaAPOJBaBjw90aqVPZQDIQKWP0ZjzPQ_vkCONtOM6O-OAltFEJnA
7. https://www.jazzviews.net/recipients-announced-for-2020-parliamentary-jazz-awards.html?fbclid=IwAR0rzNTA80CgF6DpgRXhmcwA2Ub0wOtEoVyRS43djLut3GiGKtbTRHSbSXM

I will make it clear before publishing the article that it is paid editing as well; I want to ensure that I abide by all necessary terms and conditions. Thanks, Matt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattHHM (talk • contribs) 15:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any in depth coverage of "Hot House Music" in any of those sources, only passing mentions, also, blogs and YouTube are rarely considered reliable. Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Have you been specifically asked to create a Wikipedia article about this company as part of your university work? Such things are extremely unfair to the student who is expected to dive right in and successfully create an article- which is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

MattHHM Here are my quick thoughts on your sources:

1 is an insider magazine - not sufficient

2 is the briefest of mentions (a phone number) - useless

3 As much as I admire our local man, John Forkin, Marketing Derby is, well, a marketing website

4 Deadlink - YouTube is rarely useful for meting this essential notability criterion

5 Dead link University of Derby pages might carry some weight, though the founder of HHM is an alumnus.

6 Is another Marketing Derby product - not suitable

7 No mention of HHM - but interestingly, we see its founder Jon Eno was awarded a British Empire Medal. I'm not sure how my fellow Wikipedians regard Queens Birthday Honours medal as a sign of notability in its own right. But I feel a page about him , not his company, might stand a very slightly higher chance at the moment.

Did you mentioned a Guardian article somewhere? That'd be interesting to see. Generally, businesses require 3 good in-depth sources to reach 'Notability'. I have left a note on your talk page asking you to disclose WP:PAID work now, before making any further edits to your sandbox. Best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, Thanks, your responses have been really insightful. Here is a link to the Guardian Article - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2007/mar/27/jazz It was made back when Hot House was called East Midlands Youth Jazz Orchestra, of course this will be explained for the readers. Thanks, --MattHHM (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

MattHHM That article is just a passing mention, not in-depth and confers no notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I understand not all of these have international reach but could any of them be used: https://www.uknewsgroup.co.uk/the-key-fund-investing-in-hot-house-music-schools/ https://nationaljazzarchive.org.uk/explore/journals/jazz-uk/jazz-uk-62/1268337-jazz-uk-62-0004?q=JAZZ%20NEWS https://www.isaschools.org.uk/2018/04/20/ben-trumpets-his-way-to-musical-success https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/wil-pearson-screaming-kicks-big-1448301 Thanks, --MattHHM (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Translation of existing article from German into English

I have been tasked with the translation of an existing Wikipedia article from German into English. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handschriftencensus Is there anything different about the process of publishing an article in this case? The sources are in German language, would this present any problem?  Hroberth Dunbar (talk) 08:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hroberth Dunbar: Hello, fellow translator! The process would be exactly the same: the subject still needs to be notable enough for an article to be written (regardless if it exists in other languages), you can still submit through the article wizard for another editor to check, and it still needs to meet the three core content policies (neutral point of view, verifiability, no original research). German sources are not a problem; an English source is not better or worse, but they're weighed equally. The only downside is that it might make it harder for other editors to verify your content if they can't read German. Good luck! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

One more point, Hroberth Dunbar: you say you have been "tasked" with the translatio. Generally the only people who would "task" somebody with translating a Wikipedia article are people who are connected with the subject of the article. If this is the case, they, and hence the person they have given the task to, have a conflict of interest: you need to read about this and make suere you comply. Further, if this is in any way part of your employment (whether actually paid or not), you will classed as a paid editor, and must make the corresponding declaration. --ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine and Ganbaruby, I created a user page which details that I work at the Institute at the University of Marburg which hosts the project. I will submit a paid contribution disclosure with the article. Is there anything else I should know?

Courtesy ping:ColinFine and Ganbaruby on behalf of OP (unformatted/unsigned). Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

My article about York von Heimburg was not accepted

I just translated the article from the German wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_von_Heimburg, where it has been online quite some time. What can I do, that the english version will be accepted too? Thank you for your help, Angela Aschiller1211 (talk) 08:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aschiller1211: The reason that your draft at User:Aschiller1211/sandbox was declined was because the subject doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability policy for people. Just because an article exists in another language does not mean that it should be created on the English Wikipedia. You'll need to add more reliable sources that demonstrate that the subject is notable, and because this is a biography of a living person, you'll need to attribute all infromation to such reliable sources. Also, in your edit summary, you say that the draft was written "on behalf of York von Heimburg". If you are closely related or being paid by von Heimburg to write the article, you'll need to disclose this relationship. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I disclosed in my user space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aschiller1211 that I do work for York von Heimburg as I am PR consultant for the company IDG in Germany. Which additional disclosure do I have to make? Angela

@Aschiller1211: Good start. First, take a look at the conflict of interest guideline and realize that while you are not banned fro writing the article, it is very difficult for you to write in a neutral manner because of your close association. Also see WP:FAMOUS, which is an essay describing why you might not want to have an article written. If you still want to write the article, figure out if the subject meets the notability policy for people. If the person doesn't, then it's best for you to not waste your time editing the draft, as it is likely to be deleted. Then, take your current draft and add reliable sources that demonstrate this notability. Look for independent sources that are not affiliated with the subject, like newspapers or books, and not PR releases or the company's website itself. Attribute all of this information in the article to these reliable sources, making sure to stay as neutral as possible with your tone and word choice. Then, you can submit again! Do not submit before all of these points are addressed, ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Aschiller1211. The formal declaration required is explained at paid editing. Also, remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that von Heimburg says about himself, or that people associated with him have said, whether directly, or as reported in interviews or articles based on press releases. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with him, and not prompted or fed information by him, have chosen to publish about him. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I publish a content from my personal sandbox as a new page

Hello, I have completed drafting a page on a contemporary author in my personal sandbox. I want to publish the same content now. How should I proceed? Please help. I do not want to make any wrong live edits. I have done that mistake once earlier, hence I want to be more careful now. Wikipagebanai (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipagebanai, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to User:Wikipagebanai/sandbox, with a button you can pick to submit it for review. I haven't looked at any of your sources, but it looks to me from their titles as if several of your them are not independent, or not reliable (eg anything with 'blogspot.com' is probably not reliable). Please have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much ColinFine . I have submitted the article for review as per your instruction. Wikipagebanai (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

You have submitted it, Wikipagebanai, but you don't appear to have followed my advice yet about looking at your sources. To be honest, the review is likely to take a long time - until somebody sees it who either speaks Bengali, or is willing to spend time using a translation program to review your sources. I don't think there is anything you can do to speed it up, but you can improve your chances of getting it accepted by looking critically at your sources. Again, I'm just looking at the titles, but it is unlikely that a blog will be regarded a reliable source, and antything from the publishers or that says "Author at ... " are unlikely to be independent. The Worldcat sources appear to be papers by Basak. None of these sources I have mentioned contribute at all to meeting Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Are any of the sources places where people who have no connection with Basak have chosen to write at length about her? If not, then your draft does not establish notability, and any time you or anybody else spend on the draft will be wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Priscila Perales

A few years ago, I read about Priscila Perales in Wikipedia (English and Spanish) and most of the information and a photo, was about another lady that somebody posted instead of Priscila's info.

That situation lasted a long time and later was solved, but those pages still need more work. I wanted to edit them but I had no time. With the pandemic, I'm taking advantage I'm at home and I've wrote a draft in my computer about her with real information.

I started editing the page in Wikipedia, but every time I did so, everything was deleted. They claimed it wasn't referenced information (I don't know yet how to add that), and in one edit I wrote the date of birth was in Wikipedia in Spanish and still wasn't accepted.

On top of that, I've added her books with ISBN and they were deleted too. However, for another beauty queen (Lupita Jones), her books are mentioned in her Wikipedia page.

What did I do wrong? I feel that wrong information prevailed more time in Perales page and now that I want to post real one, it's not possible.

Any suggestions? Should I forget this edit and pursue others?

Forever Jose (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Information may be true, but adding if requires verification in the form of references. Hence you additions reverted. See Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: Yesterday, I've wrote a second message with the same subject, but for some misterious reason it doesn't appear here in teahouse, even that I correctly posted it. That's why I'm writing an update here.

I've did more editing on Priscila Perales adding references and external links and all but one of my contributions were deleted by @ justlettersandnumbers since he thinks I am paid for doing this. As I explained on my first post (you can read it above), I was pursuing to update the articles (in English and Spanish) regarding Priscila Perales long time ago. And now that I have the time, I am doing so and I have more articles that I want to do too, but the response for whatever I post is dissapointing.

I even added the {Spanish name} template for Priscila and it was deleted too, despite of being posted correctly and it didn't hurt the article.

I've followed the advice of David notMD adding more references and from all, I only failed using one of IMDb, which could be easily deleted by the administrator justlettersandnumbers and instead of that, he just deleted all. That's dissapointing, since it's still difficult for me to write without using visual editor and it's offensive for the time and work involved. I thought I had to be patient because I have no experience and I just had to repost and learn, but I feel there's no respect for my contributions.

Overall, you can check what I've done and only one change was accepted for that article, which is when I deleted the "official website" of Perales, because it's just a promotional website for selling bracelets.

References in Spanish are still there, despite I've added some in English. So I think for some reason somebody doesn't want to improve the article.

I feel that the aforementioned administrator just deletes my changes not only because he thinks that I am paid for doing so, furthermore he just deletes automatically whatever I post, without accepting changes that are good for the article. I feel offended that he assumes something that is not true and I went to his talk page looking for advice and I found more people complaining that he thinks that they are paid too.

Therefore, I've decided to look for advice here. Since I like to do the things perfect and probably for him, that means that I am paid and he's wrong.

For me this is just an opportunity to test my skills as a writer, something that I always wanted to do.

Therefore, I need your advice here for this article of Priscila Perales. I've thought on three options to choose from:

1) Forget about it despite the time and effort that I put on it and do other articles about people that I admire, but I'm afraid that again this guy would think that I am paid for doing so and again, he will just delete whatever I post.

or

2) I can post a draft of the article of Priscila, and whoever wants to use the information will edit the article and wil take advantage of what I researched and wrote.

or

3) If the administrator who deletes all my changes has any personal issues with Perales and he will never allow anybody to improve the article, I better don't post a draft nor encourage anybody to work on that.

Please let me know your thoughts: @David notMD: and thanks for your suggestions for more references and @ColinFine: thanks for helping me with my New Additions message and anybody else who may want to help me with this issue. Forever Jose (talk) 06:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Forever Jose. I cleaned up the formatting, etc. of your last post a bit. The best way to continue a discussion is to simply add your comment below the last comment in the thread or below the comment of the person you want to respond to as explained here. Trying to insert your comment in the middle of an already posted comment (even if it's your own comment) isn't usually a good idea because it can end up causing confusion as explained in WP:TPO and WP:REDACT. I'm also pinging @David notMD: and @ColinFine: as a courtesy since the ping templates you were to a post that was already signed. Ping templates only work when you add them to a post and then sign the post. They don't work if you add them to a post that's already been signed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, how do I use the service award progress template?

Hi, guys,
I want to display my service award progress using the service award progress template. (I have it on my user page; take a look at the code for it.) However, it's not working. Maybe I haven't given it the right attributes? The instructions say that I need to put in the year, month, date of my registration, and the number of edits that I have made. Please take a look at the template in the link provided. However, my template is malfunctioning. Please take a look at my user page for more information. Thank you. Friend505 22:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: I don't see that you provided |edits=. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Friend505. I think the template you added is working as intended. It might look like it's not working because you've added so many templates to your user page that they they are overlapping and getting in each others way. trying removing all of the templates you added except {{Service award progress}}, click "Show preview" and then see how the template looks. Maybe by stripping away some of the other stuff you can better see if the template is doing what you wanted to do. I did notice, however, that you didn't include the |edits= paramater in the template. Try adding that and see if things look better.

Now some general advice. Userpages can be an important way for us to let others know about our Wikipedia activities and other stuff we might find interesting; however, if we really want other editors to see us as being WP:HERE, then the best way to do that is to focus on actually trying to improve articles. There are over six million articles and pretty much all of them can be improved in someway. Even if all you do is simply try and correct spelling or grammar errors, or try to find citations for articles which aren't very well sourced, you'll being doing quite a lot to help improve Wikipedia. Many expereinced editors don't even bother creating a userpage or only create only a very basic one just for show, but instead focus on trying to find ways to make Wikipedia better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thanks for your help, Marchjuly. (I know I have been repeatedly told to focus on editing articles instead of asking for help and stuff like that; I will start to write and improve articles. I hope you found that I actually made a draft article that was not approved for submission.) However, by "malfunctioning", I mean that it is displaying a negative number. Thanks. Friend505 10:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: It isn't obvious why you describe the template as "malfunctioning". As Marchjuly told you, |edits= is a required parameter for the functioning of Template:Service award progress, but you didn't provide it. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Hi, David Biddulph, I added the number of edits, but on the time progress bar, it still displays a negative number. Could you please take a look? Thanks. Friend505 10:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Hi, David Biddulph,
The other problem is that the edit count displayed in the template isn't changing. I already have 549 edits compared with 537 edits when I added the edit count attribute/parameter, and it displayed as I already made 337 edits in the 800 edits required to get to Novice Editor. However, now, I've got 549 edits (I can see that in my preferences) but it isn't updating to 349. After I post this message, it will probably be 550 edits and the template edit count should be 350 edits. Thank you. Friend505 11:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

You will find discussion about that template at Template talk:Service award progress. Can we please let the Teahouse concentrate on people who are interested in how to improve the encyclopedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks, David Biddulph. Good idea. I was just about to think I should go to the village pump for help on this subject if I cannot get the help I need here, but great idea, the template talk is the best place to ask questions like this about the template. Thanks, and sorry for bothering you again. Friend505 12:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Friend505, the number doesn't update itself; you have to update it every time you want it to reflect your progress accurately. As a new editor, I suggest every 50/100 edits. The negative percentage was discussed at the template's talk page and has now been fixed. Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Oh, thanks, Usedtobecool. However, according to the template documentation, it seems like the number will update itself. It's okay; I will go to the template talk page for further discussion of this issue. Thanks, everyone, for giving me so much help and advice. Thanks! Friend505 12:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editor on 2019–20 Chelsea F.C. season

User: Ledinhvuchelsea continues to delete perfectly referenced data citing no reason. This user has a history of similar behavior acting as though he was the owner of the page with multiple incidents in the past that led to him being warned and blocked for a period. Looking for administrative help with this. Prawny007 (talk) 06:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Prawny007, Generally the place to ask for admin action is WP:ANI. But since you've reported it, I will deal with it here cus we're not a bureacracy CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Any change?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T259872

Hi greetings, were there any changes in notification system? Normally, when we get a new message in talkpage, it will give a notification and a message "You have got some message" with an yellowish orange background over talk link. Now the feature seems changed. The coloured background has disappeared now. Why these happens? Please help. PATH SLOPU 07:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Path slopu: You'll probably have better luck inquiring at WP:VPT. I still got the yellow background some time in the last day or so, though I've noticed that neither alerts nor notifications indicators appear automatically for the last few weeks until I refresh the page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Thank you.--PATH SLOPU 08:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Path slopu: Hi, Path slopu, I've also found that when I get new messages, it doesn't have the yellowish background. You know, I kind of like the yellowish background. I don't know whether or not you guys like the old one, but I do. It started not having the yellowish background around yesterday or two days ago. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm going to go to WP:VPT to ask for help about this. I just wanted to tell Path slopu that Path slopu isn't the only one who's got this issue. Friend505 10:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reports. This appears to be an accident, and is being tracked in our bug tracker at phab:T259872. the wub "?!" 15:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Bups Saggu

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

how long after you done required amendments does it take to approve a new page

article bups saggu how long after you done required amendments does it take to approve a new page ReadingPro123 (talk) 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ReadingPro123. (I inserted a header, because you had just tacked your question onto the previous section about something else). The answer is, there is no set time. Wikipedia editors are volunteers, who work on what they choose, when they choose. What I can tell you is that none of the four references that you have added since the first time your draft was declined two days ago has come anywhere near the minimum standard for a reference to contribute to notability: that it is independent of the subject and has substantial coverage of the subject. A million poor sources do not add up to one good one - indeed, having too many poor sources is usually a sign that the subject is not notable. Submitting it a third time in two days without substantial improvement may well be seen as disruptive editing, and I advise you to read WP:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) very careful and find some appropriate sources before another reviewer gets to your draft. If you cannot find any, then the subject is not notable, and all the time you or anybody puts or has put into this draft is a waste of time.

I also observe that the only article you have edited besides this draft is Lehmber Hussainpuri, and that was to insert a link to Saggu (which won't work until such time as there is an article, not a draft, about Saggu). This makes me ask, what is your connection to Saggu? If you have any connection at all with him, you need to be aware of Wikipedia policies on editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi had only ended the other article as noticed in search it comes up. That's all. Looking at articles of fellow people in the genre. That is what they have all referenced to as well So I thought they were good referenced. Some are of BBC which is a big organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReadingPro123 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello again ReadingPro123. Unfortunately we have thousands and thousands of substandard articles, many of which would get deleted if anybody noticed them and had the time. If you want to compare an existing article, choose one which has been a good article or featured article, not a random article which may or may not be of any quality. The BBC is generally a reliable source certainly; but that is not the only criterion. We require that sources be completely unconnected with the subject (because we are basically not interested in what the subject or their associates say about them, but only what independent people say about them). Please read the links I gave you.

You say "fellow people in the genre", which makes me ask again, what is your connection with Bups Saggu? --ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok. I will look through it.i just meant as a new user, I did look at fellow people are also known for being a bhangra producer and singers as a structure to know how they are laid out but now understand they may not be correct but as they are published I thought they were. I have no connection just interest in that music field and saw there wasn't a page for that artist. And saw you are able to create pages so wanted to try. Totally newbie but did think I followed the right structure. Will look again thank you for all your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReadingPro123 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, ReadingPro123. I'm sorry if I came over as suspicious: the fact is that we do get lots of people coming her basically to promote themselves (or their band, their company, their school etc). It's a pity that so many people who want to edit think that the best or only way to add to Wikipedia is to create a new article: as you have discovered, that is a very difficult process for new editors. I hope your experience hasn't put you off contributing. You may like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to learn more about editing; and then you can look for articles in your area of interest that need some work. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Can I change my 'sources' to 'references'?

Can I talk with "Going Batty".....I can relate to that...Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC) Elisabet Stacy-Hurley 12:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabet Stacy-Hurley (talk • contribs)

The place to talk to that editor is User talk:GoingBatty. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) --David Biddulph (talk) 12:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Sadas Company description - Feedback request

Hello, I would like to ask some feedbacks for a company page for Sadas written some days ago. I followed the advises received in the previous topics and I want to ask other feedbacks to be sure before the publication. I created a trial page in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Giuseppe_Ardolino/sandbox. I kindly ask support in order to respect Wikipedia best practices. In meanwhile I keeping updating the trial page with new references for each paragraph. Thank you  Giuseppe Ardolino (talk) 13:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Reference

How many reference need for create living person biography article?. TintuArunav (talk) 13:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @TintuArunav:, welcome to Teahouse, if the person is notable, you need atleast three reliable sources to pass WP: THREE. Also see WP: Notability for more. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 15:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} Thank you for your valuable response.TintuArunav (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

please explain the last 2 lines of Robert Ludlum's book "The Holcroft Covenant"

"The Tinamou was killed at last. By the Tinamou. They were everywhere. It had only begun." Please explain this ending. Jassiken (talk) 14:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for help with editing Wikipedia. You should post general questions at the reference desk, assuming that a similar question has not already been answered there. Doctor Whooves (talk) 14:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jassiken:, welcome to Teahouse, we are here to respond/help on Wikipedia based question. I can't understand if you are talking about a article of a book or directly a book? — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 14:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

editing a page

I am the assistant of Laura Letinsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Letinsky) and she needs me to add to her Wikipedia page, but each time I make edits they get reverted for "conflict of Interest" reasons. How can I fix this and edit her page successfully? Lletinsk (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lletinsk: thank you for your disclosure and welcome to the Teahouse. You have a conflict of interest, so you should not be editing the page directly. The policy has been pointed out to you twice on your talk page. Please post any edit requests for the article at the article's talk page. As you are an employee undertaking editing as part of your job, you will also need to follow our paid editing rules. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Left align an instance of NavBox?

I'm trying to amend the alignment of the NavBox template I want to left align it as in the first example, but with the table below it, as per the second example. Any ideas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dave_F63/sandbox&action=submit

Is there a webpage to recommend which would help me understand? Is using the NavBox template the best way to link to on page anchors? Dave F63 (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

redirect

Hello. I have a question to ask. How can i make a search term directly redirect to a said page? Thanks. Daniel D. 78.98.153.190 (talk) 16:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Daniel! There's actually a handy little tool at Wikipedia:How_to_make_a_redirect. —valereee (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

In over my head

I have engaged in a discussion I had perhaps better stayed out of as a young editor, but apparently I upset some fellow Wikipedians and we cannot seem to get over it. The issue has been taken to the NPOV board, the SPI board, and now also some administrator board. I am sure much of the burden also rests on me, but I do not know how to end this and simply going back to making valuable edits (as valuable as I can, at least). If anyone with experience here could take a look or share some helpful advice, I would be very grateful. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Chris_Heaton-Harris StanTwoCents (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

StanTwoCents, what I would advise is that you make an absolute apology at the noticeboard taking responsibility for the entire brouhaha, apologizing for the entire mess, asking for a second chance to try to learn how to contribute helpfully, and promising that you will confine yourself to making small edits with clear edit summaries until you've got enough experience that you can look back on this and understand why it happened. —valereee (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Valereee, for your response and advice. StanTwoCents (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Transition metals: Anions

Hello! As a student, I would like to ask if you (chemists) can make a page, regarding about relativistic effects to transition metals, resulting in them forming the aforementioned anions. So far, I already searched for three hours in google and still hasn't found a single plausible, satisfactory and accessible site that could elucidate to me why. I know this is too much to ask, but nonetheless I need it, so I can get a boost, and withal, finally become chem lord. Furthermore, if it ain't too much to ask, can you provide me with links, or PDFs and such? Thank you all for answering my query! Ice bear johny (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

If you have been unable, in three hours of searching, to find anything published about relativistic anions of transition metals, then it's most unlikely that Wikipedia, which is based on published sources, will accept an article on the topic. Maproom (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

But if you want to ask people if they know of any sources about the idea, the science section of the Reference Desk is a good place to ask. --ColinFine (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Excessive deletion by an admin in a biography article

Dear friends, an admin deleted roughly half of the biography article Alexander-Martin Sardina (historian, former MP in Germany) leaving it now a de facto stub. I know that articles on persons can be contraversial but in this case, I would say the admin has gone too far. For whatever reason, he seems not to have a neutral point of view. In addition to that, I would assume that it's just difficult for Americans to fully understand how the political system in Europe works on a state level. I listed 9 ponts on the talk page why the deletion of some sentences and paragraphs should be restored from my point of view. The admin did also not reply to follow-up questions above that although he got pinged. Therefore, I would love to see "Third Opinion" contributions on that dispute but that would formally require two arguing parties on the talk page... That's why I ask experienced users here now to look into the case, go through my points, try to understand my counter arguments, and suggest or implement a solution in the best case. I thank you all for participating in advance; assume good faith, pls. 2003:E3:D70D:8900:5CD:7069:8FE5:749C (talk) 16:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss an article is on its talk page, and I see that you have raised the question at Talk:Alexander-Martin Sardina, which is the right place. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Waiting period for moving to public forum

Hello,

How long do we have to wait until we can move an article on our talk page into the public forum? BaracutaG9 (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Puzzled on how to get the article throught :)

I see that BaracutaG9 has been indefinitely blocked. Maproom (talk) 17:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Phil Greiss

Hi guys!! so happy to have found a place where I could maybe get clarity ... in 2014 I had written an wiki article in French about canadian record producer Phil Greiss, the article went through the validation process with no problem. But he's well known over there and has been at it since around 1998, numerous recognitions, not a lot of press though but tons of credits, accolades and awards relevant over there.

I decided to re-write the article in english but can't seem to get through the notability checks it seems, even though since 2016 he has worked on pretty big records such as JBalvin's Mi Gente (about a billion streams on spotify so far), David Guetta's Goodbye feat. Nicki Minaj witch gathered about 220Million streams, and as of today (right now!) he has a #1 Top50 Global Spotify song with Jason Derulo's Savage Love wich he co-wrote, and the song is entering the top10 of the billboard hot 100.

I'm not sure how to get the article through as he now has even more notable accomplishements than in 2014

Shall I add every single work and credit from the now deceased french article? Henri Grace (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Henri Grace, the draft was declined because, in the opinion of the reviewer, the references were not good enough to establish Greiss as notable, in the sense in which that word is used here. Standards at en:Wikipedia and fr:Wikipedia differ. The decline notice is intended to encourage you to find and add better references as evidence of notability: they should be to published sources which are reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant discussion of Greiss. Adding a large number of even poorer references, as you propose, won't help at all. Maproom (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Henri Grace: Most of the things you mention – his works and accomplishments – make no direct contribution to his notability. The question is has he been written significantly about in reliable secondary sources, like Rolling Stone, Variety, newspapers, books, etc.; not just listing him as having produced/written songs or albums that they are writing about, but actual extended content about him. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Whats the best place to propose a new article if I'm not sure of its notability

I'm considering making an article for the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation, and possibly some of the organizations they work with. Theres not any great news articles that I can see, but there are a few websites listing charities that talk about the organizaton, and they are listed on the IRS website of course. I think they've done some good work, and are connected to some notable folks online, so I'm wondering if anyone could help me find some good references, or let me know if y'all think it isn't notable enough to warrant an article. https://pcrf-kids.org/ there is the organizations website, and this is the IRS listing for their charity. PhoenixJCC (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, PhoenixJCC, and welcome! Creating an article from scratch is not easy for new editors. Neither of those websites would support the organization being notable enough for an article. What you need to find are lengthy discussions of the organization at multiple (rule of thumb I use is three) reliable non-affiliated sources. The pcrf-kids source is obviously affiliated, and the IRS listing is just that: a listing; can be used for filling in information but not for proving notability. It looks like they might have incorporated in 2015? It would be a pretty unusual nonprofit that became notable within 5 years of incorporating. —valereee (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I think they're most notable for being the charity that the Variety/Vinesauce Is hope events raise money for, they're twitch streamers who do a yearly charity event to raise money for PCRF more about that can be found here they've raised over 100k a year for the past 3 years, and I want to say 700k over the past 5 years. the streamers collectively have hundreds of thousands of viewers. I figured that the charity itself would be more important than the streamers associated with it, but they consistently get viewers and consistently get folks to raise money so they may be more notable as people than the charity is as a charity? I'm not sure though. EDIT: also the PCRF page says that the organization has been around for 38 years and has raised 47 million dollars, I'm assuming they changed what they were listed as a few times.PhoenixJCC (talk) 19:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid, PhoenixJCC, that none of that has anything to do with notability as Wikipedia defines it, which is almost all about there being enough independent published material about the organisation to base an article on. Wikipedia is basically not interested in any information which comes from the subject, or from people or organisations associated with the subject, including information in interviews and press releases. It is only interested in what people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Red links?

Can I get some? LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

LovelyCardigan, sorry, not sure what you're asking? —valereee (talk) 18:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

sorry I ment requested articles??? LovelyCardigan (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@LovelyCardigan: I assume that you want to write an article about a topic that doesnt have an article, but is regarded as "Would nice to have one about that". You can search in Wikipedia:Requested articles for a topic. Then please proceed with the steps below:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) LovelyCardigan, you're interested in suggesting articles that need to be created? You can do that at Wikipedia:Requested_articles, or you can do it by redlinking (placing two brackets on either side of a mention) the topic in a current article. For instance if I see Lucy McPhee mentioned in an article and I think she deserves an article of her own, I can change it to [[Lucy McPhee]] and turn it into Lucy McPhee. That tells other editors that you think a particular subject might make a good article. —valereee (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do when an opposing party does not respond to a discussion?

After an edit war involving multiple users on List of My Hero Academia characters, the page was indefinitely protected, meaning a discussion has to take place to resolve it. However, the opposing party has not responded to the talk page since it was protected. This is in no way to report them (as last time I asked a similar question, it transformed into an ANI report, which was not my intention then, and certainly is not now), but I am curious on what to do with the discussion when the other party does not respond. I don't want to abandon it, because I believe the discussion to be very important to the readability of the page, but I have no idea what to do, as I already alerted Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Lists and Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Anime and manga about the edit war. Do I just wait to see if a third party responds, and if so, how long does that usually take? 72.219.72.215 (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The article List of My Hero Academia characters is only semi-protected. That means that autoconfirmed accounts can edit it. If you were to register for a free account and become autoconfirmed, you would be able to make edits to the article, although should carefully avoid edit warring and follow the Bold, revert, discuss cycle. You could ask for a third opinion or follow dispute resolution. I see that in your two most recent posts to the talk page, you did not ping Serial Number 54129, and that editor may not be aware of your comments. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Transform Howey Ou draft into an article

I created the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Howey_Ou. Now, I would like to transform the draft into an article. Could anyone walk me through the procedure please? Your help would be much appreciated. Azastorr (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Azastorr:, welcome to Teahouse, I just checked your draft and found it need some more work on it like copy-editing etc. Well you have questioned about draft to article. There is procedure called AfC. Or simply draft submission. You can place {{draft}} tag at top or bottom of a draft. This generates a submit button. You can submit with that. And a reviewer will see your draft and move it to an article if everything is okay. If not, he/she will decline and define a reason for declining draft submission. You have to work on it, then submit again. Thank You.— The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 19:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Stub-class high-importance articles

Hi, is there any good way to find high-importance, stub-class articles (as opposed to just looking for one of the two) Yellowleaf23 (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yellowleaf23. Yes, absolutely there is. Find the WikiProject that covers the topics you're interested in (a good way to do that is look at a relevant article's talk page and follow the links from there. Each WikiProject usually has an 'Assessment Chart' - a multicoloured chart showing article importance versus article quality assessment. Click the corresponding number to see the articles that fall into that category. Thus from Matterhorn you'd go to WP:ALPS. We have 69 High Importance stub article, which, when you click the right cell, takes you here. From there you can choose articles that interest you. Of course, that summit is also of relevance to WikiProject Switzerland and WikiProject Italy, so you might choose the Italian project, check their Assessment chart, and find these 58 High Importance stub articles]. Accessing articles via this route and focusing on important stubs is one of the best ways a committed editor can work through and improve overall Wikipedia content with the least overall effort. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Expand to show a typical assessment chart (WikiProject: Mountains of the Alps)
Mountains of the Alps articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total GA 1 1 2 B 7 3 3 1 14 C 12 24 26 41 2 105 Start 5 81 232 392 2 712 Stub 22 212 2,008 2 2,244 List 1 4 1 6 Category 46 46 File 6 6 Portal 2 2 Project 2 2 Template 5 5 NA 1 3 5 9 Assessed 26 132 477 2,445 66 7 3,153 Total 26 132 477 2,445 66 7 3,153 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 17,490 Ω = 5.68

About publish my article issue

hi, I am Ahsan, from Bangladesh. My Wikipedia page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ahsan617364 Actually I am a newbie in Wikipedia and this is my first article published on 26 July 2020.

Its a magician biography and I don't understand why my article is not published. I have given all kinds of references from Google like different news sites. Suggest me what can I improve in this article. I have absolutely no idea about Wikipedia article, there is no one to guide me, I am doing so much on my own from a different website and Wikipedia page.

Please let me know what is the problem of the article. I seek the cooperation of experts. help me Ahsan617364 (talk) 20:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ahsan617364, and welcome to the teahouse.

You have undertaken perhaps the hardest task a new editor can, that of creating a new article from nothing. Please read Your First Article. Please read the list of steps given above in the section #Red links?. Wikipedia only has articles about notable topics. Most people are not notable, for example I am not. Please understand that you need to cite multiple Reliable and independent sources, each of which should include significant coverage of the subject. There should be at least three to five such sources cited. Note that a passing mention in a major site is of no value. A few good sources are far batter than many bad ones. I cannot read the sources you have cited, so I cannot comment specifically on their value. It would help if you provided English-language titles of the sources. This can be done with |trans-title= and |trans-work= in a citation template. Do note that the Daily Mail is considered an unreliable source and should not be used. Perhaps Vinegarymass911 who reviewed and declined your draft, would care to comment in more detail. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Only two of the sources are considered reliable sources; Risingbd.com and The Daily Ittefaq. 'Razu was born in September 1994 in a Muslim cultured family in Faridpur district in the Dhaka division. His father, Abul Kalam Azad, is a transport Businessman. His mother Shahanaj Kalam, is a housewife. He has one sister and one brother.' Entire paragraphs without a single citation. "He has many clients at home and abroad companies." sounds promotional. " This talented Bangladeshi magician has gained a lot of popularity not only the country but also at the international level. According to him, a magician means an actor and magic for all ages and everyone." This unsourced line is hardly encyclopedic.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 07:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

self citing a company's website as a description of their services.

Seriously, can anyone give a better place on where to get the info on what a company does and specializes in other than the company's own site? Geekymutt (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Geekymutt Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are instances where primary sources are acceptable- but Wikipedia is primarily interested in what independent reliable sources say about a company, including what it does. Companies usually describe themselves favorably. If you are having trouble finding independent reliable sources stating or suggesting what a company does, it likely doesn't merit an article in the first place. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

We're the primary installer of a government system for museums, doing things they don't, and the company responsible for the lion's share of the Science on a Sphere systems installed all over the world. I don't describe the quality of services, or install -that'd be subjective and biased information. I describe the specialization of what we do. - Objective information you can gather looking at the site.

You don't really get put in a magazine or your companies named plastered all over a museum's or government facilities for doing the work. NOAA isn't even mentioned usually. Honestly most citings for science on a sphere is from NOAA, the govt agency selling the licenses, that should fall under the same umbrella here.

We're the ones installing the systems, servicing them, and creating data for the companies requesting them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekymutt (talk • contribs) 21:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Geekymutt. Wikipedia is not a directory of every business. It is an encyclopedia that contains articles about notable businesses, which means that independent reliable sources have devoted significant coverage to the company. Please read and study Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Any acceptable article must comply with that guideline. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Geekymutt. If your company has not been written about in depth by people who have no connection whatever with the company, then I'm afraid it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about it will ever be accepted. Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject of an article says about themselves, or that their associates say about them: an article should be almost entirely based one what unconnected people have published about them, and if there is no such coverage, then there is literally nothing which can go into an article. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Assistance needed to fix issue and clear warning box

Link: American Sleep Apnea Association

There is an error box and I can not figure out how to use it. We would also like to add our Logo if possible. Thank you SleepAdvocate (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC) SleepAdvocate (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@SleepAdvocate: I uploaded your logo but also significantly edited the promotional and unsourced info that was in your article. It would unlikely survive a deletion discussion without more sources. In order to demonstrate the notability of your group, the article should be based on profiles of your organization in independent third party publications, not just passing mentions. See WP:GNG and WP:RS. The sourcing now is poor - hence the more sources needed tag. Also please see WP:COI, which suggests you request edits on the article's talk page rather than doing them yourself, since you have a conflict of interest. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, SleepAdvocate, and welcome to the Teahouse.

• First of all, who is "we". Wikipedia accounts are for individual people, adn msut not be shared. If you are acting as an advocate for, spokesperson for, or employee of the American Sleep Apnea Association (or any other organization) you must declare that you are a paid editor as described in that policy page, preferably by using the template {{paid}}. If you have some other connection to the Assocation, you may have a conflict ofm interest and should declare that.
• Secondly, that notice was added manually by some editor because that editor believed that not enough sources had been cited in the article. It can be removed manually when an editor in good standing who thinks that there are sufficient sources. Often three to five independent and reliable sources, each of which includes significant coverage (say at least several paragraphs about the topic) is enough. Currently there are exactly two cited inline sources. One is from the association ()and so is not independent), and the other is two pages of a book. On followi9ng the link it turns out that there are two passing mentions in the book, each identifying an affiliation of a person mentioned. There is no detailed discussion of the association. This is not significant coverage, so currently there are none of the needed three to five sources.
• Third, the current tone is not appropriate. The article is currently written in the first person plural: We accomplish this mission through education..., At the ASAA, we envision a world ..., and In the meantime, we work towards a world ... The article addresses the reader directly: ... support groups that you can find on our website ... None of that is appropriate. A Wikipedia articel should be written in the third person, and should not address the reader. Any mission statement should be presented as an attributed and cited quotation, not states as a fact.
• Fourth: listed events should include dates. Consider what happens if someone reads the article in two or five years time. Will such a reader know if the events are in the future or long past?

In short, this article does not currently meet the required minimum standards for inclusion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I turn off email notifications?

Template:Email user notification says that there's a template on top of my talk page that enables or disables me to receive emails. However, I do not want to receive emails. I have already went into my preferences to disable other users from directly emailing me, but I still receive emails when somebody comments on my talk page or mentions me. Is there a way to disable it completely without removing the email associated without my account? Unnamed anon (talk) 21:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Unnamed anon In your Preferences, go to the notifications tab. 331dot (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Wait-staff

Please accept our apologies. Another host will be along shortly to take your order. ☂️

Wait-staff here are incredibly discourteous, I have been waiting almost 24 hours and not received my Arnold Palmer (drink)! And it better come with a paper umbrella! Btw, since I'm here...do edits to your own userpage/talkpage or sandbox count towards the minimum number of edits you must have before you can create a redirect page? I'm just asking because it seems annoying if I need to go make 12 edits to Donald Trump before I'm allowed to make a minor redirect page to help people from confusing the new non-notable Roxborough Apartments in Ottawa from the historical Roxborough Apartments which were notable and share an article with Confederation Park which was built on their ruins. It seems like a fitting redirect page to create, yet I need minimum edits first? So what counts as an edit? Is this one? Bicarbonatedesoude (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Bicarbonatedesoude, any edit, no matter where you make it, and no matter how inconsequential, counts towards your edit total, but we ask that you avoid cynically making repetitive edits to increase your edit count.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bicarbonatedesoude: Yes, they all count. But there is so much real work to do, why not just find an article you care about and make some improvements to that for a while. Before you know it, you will qualify for everything you want to do.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to both, I just felt it best to not meddle in other pages where I don't know the histories and personalities that were writing them - I'm just looking at doing up heritage buildings in Ontario. Bicarbonatedesoude (talk) 03:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bicarbonatedesoude: You might find the following category links of use to finding articles to work on: Category:National Historic Sites in Ontario and Category:Buildings and structures in Ontario by census division. A broader group of like-minded editors can be found at WP:WikiProject Ontario. (Hope you enjoyed your drink!) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I make my article more "Constructive"?

Hello, I recently discovered that a large financial firm based in New York called IronHold Capital was not on Wikipedia. I thought this was odd so I quickly gathered as many sources as I could and drafted up a pretty nice summary of the firm. However someone kindly wrote back that I need to be more "constructive". Besides inserting a lot of detail and citations (which I did) what else can I do? Happy to do more but just want to know what direction I should be going in! Thank you in advance! Poweredxsolar (talk) 02:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Poweredxsolar, I think the edits that they were referring to that they said were unconstructive were edits you made to Category:Wikipedia editing, because this isn't the right place to put a new article. I see that you have now written the article in your sandbox and submitted it for review. This will be reviewed by an editor who will either approve it and move it to the main article space, or else provide you with feedback on the article. Pi (Talk to me!) 02:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Poweredxsolar. Please change your username: see WP:CHU. Usernames which suggest they are editing on behalf of an organisation are not allowed. Also, do you have some connection with IronHold? If so, please read about editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Is WolframAlpha reliable?

Is WolframAlpha usually reliable? ~Abraham236 (talk) 02:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: this question was discussed last year at the reliable sources noticeboard.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! :D ~Abraham236 (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Take many for article

Hello) Some people ask me to write article in Wiki for them. I don't know can I work like this or not. But it will be good for me. Does anybody work here for money? Svetlana 3012 (talk) 07:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Svetlana 3012 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are editors that are paid by others to write articles for them. This is not necessarily something that the community at large encourages or endorses, but it does happen. Most editors here are volunteers, working on their own time purely to benefit this project and humanity. If you do write an article for payment of any kind(not just money) you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with the paid editing policy and declare that status. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for answer so fast. I haven't done it yet.Svetlana 3012 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Svetlana 3012, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would like to bring a couple of things to your attention. First, creating a new article is a very very difficult task for an inexperienced editor, and those who try it often have a disapointing and frustrating experience. Thousands of drafts are declined, sometimes several times, and many are rejected (i.e. the reviewer believes they will never meet Wikipedia's criteria). Unless a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, all work on it, by anybody, is wasted effort.

Secondly, Wikipedia articles are not for the benefit of the subject. Often, subjects do benefit from there being an article about them, but that is no part of Wikipedia's purposes, and it is not guaranteed. The subject of an article, and their agents, have no control over the content of the article, and in some cases it may contain material that they would prefer not to appear. See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 12:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Citation unorder - part2

RE a previous question, where I overlooked the answer, sorry for that! The issue is sort of rediscovering the |title-link= function in {{Citation}}, and what I am stumbling over, or realising, is that a wikilink to a book title seems similar to providing a link to a laysummary. At least, a wikilink for a book-title is very less than an url to the text itself. Here is the real example, from a draft I am writing:

• Henry Furneaux, ed. (1900). "de Origine et situ Germanorum liber (laysummary)" [Book of the origins and location of the Germani]. Cornelli Taciti opera minora [Minor works of Cornelius Tacitus]. Oxford Classical Texts (in Latin). Oxford: Clarendon Press. - "de Origine et situ Germanorum liber" at www.perseus.tufts.edu

chapter=de Origine et situ Germanorum liber ([[de Origine et situ Germanorum|laysummary]])

My actual goal here, is to produce expected result, ie. a reader clicking on blue-coloured title expect to reach the text, not a text about the text. I'll say that the wikilinked title is a builtin ambiguity in the construction of the citation: a blue-coloured title may lead to the text itself or it may lead to a Wikipedia article about the text. My first question was technical, but then I found this ad hoc solution. Just for the record, I don't read Latin. Sechinsic (talk) 07:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 36.37.235.159 (talk) 09:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Happys

I need help talking about getting my band on here, we are coming up on ten years, lost my dad this year and thousands of dollars, the seo would help beyond belief.

The Happys were started in 2012 and have played with Dwight Yokam, Journey Sammy Hagar, Del the funky Homosapien, Brothers Comotose, Big Brother and the holding company, and many more. They have toured extensively through Pacific Northwest. The have play acousticially in Australia, and all of the US. They have been featured on pop matters, Broadway world, Jam in the Van and have a very good underground following. They have had lots of airplay with Alt. 105 (live 105). The band is managed by Rick Bonde who worked with Bradley Nowell Sublime, Blink 182, 3 non blondes, and skankin pickle. We have lost thousands to covid 19, and would love to work with you! 

‪www.thehappysofficial.com‬

The Happys- Youtube  Thehappys-Instagram The Happys Facebook

‪‬ Nick Petty TheHappys123 (talk) 09:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TheHappys123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your situation sounds unfortunate. I am sorry for your loss. However, and to be frank, Wikipedia is completely unconcerned with improving your financial situation, helping your band with SEO or otherwise enhancing search results for your band. This is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a band, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable band. Wikipedia is not interested in what a band wants to say about itself. If your band meets at least one of the listed criteria, you shouldn't be the one to write about your band due to your conflict of interest. I'm sorry. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest flagged

I have been accused of a conflict of interest. It is not true. I want the flag removed. I feel I have been ignored. The article in question is Durdana Ansari MonksCroft (talk) 11:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

MonksCroft, you do have a conflict of interest, as you are editing the article at her request. The only way to get the conflict of interest tag removed is for you to stop directly editing the article and start making edit requests on the talk page instead. —valereee (talk) 12:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

And actually that probably wouldn't be sufficient, as there's a second newish editor at the article also editing with a probable COI. That person would also have to stop editing directly. —valereee (talk) 12:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. She did not say what changes she wanted, I decided them based on my professional knowledge of her work. She only asked me because she is an Urdu speaker and her English isn't good enough to do it herself.

MonksCroft (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

MonksCroft, you're free to disagree. I'm just advising you that it is highly unlikely that tag will be removed unless both you and the other editor stop editing directly. It's not a big deal to edit via edit request rather than directly; it's a matter of posting a template to the talk page. You can find information at Template:Request edit. It's a slightly slower process, but not at all uncommon. —valereee (talk) 17:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I have not got my point over. I have not edited the page since May. I have stopped editing it. My question remains unanswered at your end: namely, what needs to change? if another editor would like to make those changes that would be fine, but I don't know what you are objecting to, so how can I propose further changes? Meanwhile this COI statement is casting aspersions on my integrity and I am angry that it remains there. I have no idea who the other editor is! MonksCroft (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit the broken links in Wikipedia under references?

 Janakidm (talk) 11:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Janakidm. It will be easier for someone to help you if you can provide the name of the article where this is a problem. In most cases, you won’t find the actual references in the “References” section of an article; so, if you want to edit a particular reference, you need find where it is in the body of the article and then fix it there. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more information on how to find where the references are typically located in an article. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Indian YouTuber Article creation

Can i create a article of Jio Joseph (Notable person and Indian youtuber) , reliable sources available.can i create?. TintuArunav (talk) 12:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @TintuArunav:, welcome again to Teahouse, well, if you are claiming the Jio Joseph is notable and you have reliable sources. Then start you article through WP:YFA as draft. After completion submit it for review, then reviewer will look into the draft and if your claim proved to be true, then the article will be moved to mainspace as new article. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 13:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ok @TheChunky , which template is suitable Template:Infobox person or Template:Infobox YouTube personality (Have over 4 million subscribers on youtube).TintuArunav (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TintuArunav Template:Infobox YouTube personality is the most suitable, but do remember the draft must be notable and passes WP:GNG along with adequate reliable sources ~ Amkgp 💬 14:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TintuArunav, well if this article is about notable youtuber, then use Template:Infobox YouTube personality . — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 14:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

But, TintuArunav, if you're worrying about the infobox now, when you haven't written any text, you're doing it wrong. An infobox is an optional extra, to make an article more attractive and usable when the text has already been written. Your absolute first task, before infoboxes, before pictures, before you even write a word, is to find the reliable independent sources with substantial coverage, because if you can't find them, then there will be no article, and every single bit of work you have put in up to that point will be wasted. When you have found at least three reliable independent and substantial sources, and written an article based almost wholly on what those sources say, then is the time to worry about the simple task of adding an infobox. --ColinFine (talk) 15:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello @TheChunky,created the draft article , check it out Draft:Jio Joseph.If any suggestion,please mention below.Thank you TintuArunav (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi TintuArunav, well, after checking your draft, there are two citations from instagram (a social network). The references from instagram are not reliable sources. Kindly remove that. See what is Reliable at WP:RELIABLE. And clean up the information you added from non reliable source. Improve it more. Thank you. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 19:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ok @TheChunky,removed the non reliable source.Can i submit for review?.can you review the article?.TintuArunav (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TintuArunav, upon checking your draft, I found that the name has some issue. You have named it as Jio Joseph but the references says Geo Joseph except one reference say Jiyo Joseph which still not match the name of draft. Need more reliable sources. The references seems to be dependent on one event, which doesn't clear its notability. Add some more reliable sources.— The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 03:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd bodycam video leak

There is no mention of the George Floyd bodycam leak by the Daily Mail on his page. It is very much necessary to the story as it pieces together an essential part of the story. I did not want to risk losing my account, so, I request it be reported as professionally as possible. The leak must be mentioned and it being on the Wikipedia is a near necessity. I find it shocking that there is zero mention of the bodycam leak several days after it happened. Nonsikson (talk) 13:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Daily Mail is not considered to be a reliable source so that source probably won't work. However this report from The Independent probably will stand up to scrutiny but I will leave it to others to decide whether this is material to the article and is not WP:UNDUE.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   13:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nonsikson: Regardless, the discussion should be had at Talk:George Floyd. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

How to add only one host?

How to add only one host? WikipedianBoy16 (talk) 13:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikipedianBoy16: What exactly do you mean by "one host"? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Permission to Author Biography

A few months back I read a book on philosophy by a young author named Arav Sri Agarwal and felt he didn't have the attention he deserved. I searched him up and he seemed to have a knowledge panel and sufficient recognition from Google due to the fact that he is a published, earning author. I know biographies are frowned upon, which is why I came here to ask if I could be permitted to write a biography about this author deriving relevant information from primary and secondary sources and citing them. He seems like an interesting personality to me, considering he is a 15 year old Thai-Indian who has already accomplished quite a lot. I feel he has earned and deserves a spot on Wikipedia, I would completely understand it if he wouldn't be deemed Wikipedia material, but then aagain there are many other irrelevant Wikipedia pages including one on "Toast Sandiwches"! Let me know your thoughts on this and whether I am allowed to proceed with authoring a post on Arav Sri Agarwal. Arjön Király (talk) 15:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Arjön Király, and welcome to the Teahouse. Biographies are not frowned on at all! Anything - person, book, company, theory, band, art movement, planet - anything can be the subject of a Wikipedia article - provided it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you can find several places where people wholly unconnected with Agarwal, and not prompted by or fed information from him, who have chosen to write a substantial amount about him, and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, then you can write an article about him. A Google knowledge panel says nothing: it might reference some reliable independent sources, but typically it mostly won't. Nothing written or published by him will contribute to making him notable. Some substantial book reviews in major newspapers might say enough about his book to make that notable; but they will not do much towards making him notable, unless they talk at some length about him as well as the book. Have you read your first article? --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Why my page couldn't be published?

First of all, I'd like to say thanks Wikipedia is a great platform for learners. I've pay full attention to create my page with hard work. But now when I wish to publish they notify me your page couldn't be published. Can anyone tell me why it's happening to me? Prince Rauf (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Prince Rauf, I assume this is about your sandbox, User:Prince Rauf/sandbox. It was declined because Wikipedia already had a draft Draft:Zaleb Brown about the same person. That draft has also been declined, for the same reason as most declined drafts: its references do not establish that Brown is notable (in Wikipedia's sense) by citing several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of him. Indeed, it seems to me that it doesn't cite any such sources. Most of its references appear not to mention him, though that may just be incompetence in supplying correct links. Those sources that do mention him are based on interviews with him, and so are not independent. Maproom (talk) 17:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I've messed up my talk page

The website I used for my talk page archives is not hosting them anymore. I don't have anywhere else that I have put them, what do I do? Emicho's Avenger (talk) 17:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Emicho's Avenger. I've never heard of somebody archiving their talk pages outside Wikipedia before. Most people use a bot to archive them inside Wikipedia: see Archiving a talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Emicho's Avenger: There are plenty of free cloud storage services available, including Google Drive, though it's better if you keep them here and use one of the WP:ARCHIVErs (or do it manually if you have little activity, as I do). You can recover your talk page from its history to get the old content back. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I got another warning

I used a .gov website to use a source to see if Fremont is rapidly growing in population and I got a warning because it isn't reliable when the government wrote the website. The website is this http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/cities/Fremont.htm Anilgaming2007 (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Anilgaming2007. Ohnoitsjamie did not say or imply that there was anything wrong with the source. They said that your drawing a conclusion which is not in the source is synthesis, which is not allowed. (They then went on to find a couple of references which do say what you wanted to add, and added the information with references which support it.) --ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sinfonia Latina help with map

Sinfonia Latina help with map

Hello I am requesting Assistance on upgrading the map to something not so generic looking and to include location pins for both locations of festival on this draft article I am preping for resubmission thanks Deanna Coakley (talk) 18:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mohammad Ali Shomali

I created this page, and I want someone to delete template (speedy deletion); I improved the page and applied the notes. and need review the page if it need to review. Amrahlawymasry (talk) 19:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Amarhlawymasry. You can contest the speedy deletion by picking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". I see you have made a number of edits to the text. It will be up to reviewers to decide whether that is enough to make it not a copyright violation. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Repinging Amrahlawymasry. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine. Ok thank you, I will wait and will see if it has been updated.

I removed the copyright violation tag, as it was no longer applicable. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

After how many days (7 days, 14 days or 21 days?) I can delete such sentencese "This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (July 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)" on a Wikipedia page? Wname1 (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wname1, It should only be removed after the issues have been dealt with. What page in particular are you thinking of? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union Wname1 (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Setting up Informative for business of Artists

I am trying to officiate the business in which I started to collaborate with artists. There is a lot of music projects involved and would like accurate information added over time. Why am I getting kicked around in the first 15 mins of trying to navigate through the processes? It wont even let me upload Artwork I have created personally. StrangeJRB (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

StrangeJRB Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You edited your user page, which is not article space, but a place to introduce yourself to the Wikipedia community in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use. You cannot upload images until you are autoconfirmed, which means that your account must be at least four days old and have at least 10 edits.

Your user name and what you wrote on your user page(which is not article space) seems to suggest that it is that of an organization; this is not permitted- usernames must indicate that a specific individual is exclusively operating your account. Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest to make a request to change your username. Regarding the text you wrote, please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for article subjects to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. If you are editing for clients, you must review and comply with the paid editing and conflict of interest policies and formally declare that status. You should avoid directly editing about your clients, but if they meet the notability guidelines(such as those for musicians or those for artists), you may create and submit a draft using Articles for Creation. Keep in mind that succeeding at creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. I would recommend that you use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, StrangeJRB, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't quite understand what you mean by "officiate the business", but it sounds to me as if you are trying to use Wikipedia for something other than building an encyclopaedia: certainly, that is what your user page got deleted for. I'm not sure what happened when you tried to upload your own artwork, but you cannot have succeeded unless you were willing to license it in such a way that anybody in the world could reuse or alter it, for any purpose (commercial or not), as long as they attributed it: is that what you intended? --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Why is the link I've added red not blue

Hello.

I've just added a link on the Wax Bullets page, under the section titled Pistol Dueling. The text I've added reads

Main Article: Pistol Duelling

Pistol Duelling is a new page (my first article. hooray!). The link I've added on the Wax Bullets shows " Pistol Deulling " in red. Have I done something incorrectly or does it take a while for new pages to be recognised by the linking software?

Thank you for any help more experienced editors can give. Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Universal Kakistocrat: Spelling and capitalization matter. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You have linked to an article called Pistol Duelling, Kakistocrat, which does not exist. The article you have created (well done!) is called Pistol duelling. Apart from the initial letter, page names are case-dependent. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both. Problem solved. I didn't know it was case sensitive. Thank you also both for not pointing out my particularly egregious misspelling of Duelling in my own question.

Careful, Kakistocrat: you didn't misspell "Dueling" in your question: you were quoting a section heading from Wax bullet, which happens to be written in American English. The article you created uses British spelling. This is fine, but it's easy to get confused. --ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Blast. Mispinged again. Universal Kakistocrat. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. But spelling it as Deulling in my question above was pretty unforgivable in the circumstances! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Universal Kakistocrat (talk • contribs) 22:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Transgender "Deadname" removal request in Wikipedia page

Hello, I am inquiring about the Wikipedia page of T. Thomason - he is requesting to have his deadname (Molly Thomason) removed or placed in a less notable area of his Wiki page. This is creating issues for him and is a constant source of frustration and upset. His page is semi-protected, and I am hoping, for his sake, we can make this change so as to make T more comfortable and create less frustration for him as it keeps appearing in his press and articles, which he does not want. Jonesandco902 (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Jonesandco902. I have removed the bolded birth name from the lead sentence and moved it (unbolded) to the part of the article that describes their birth. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Jonesandco902, I can remember when we reported what reliable sources said, rather than accede to the whims request of the subject. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Sphilbrick, this request is not a "whim", and I suggest that you avoid such a dismissive word. The birth name remains in the article, but it was over-emphasized in the previous version. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: For future reference (as this comes up more frequently), do you have a pointer to current policy/guideline/discussion? WP:DEADNAME seems to disagree. I'm not expressing an opinion one way or the other. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, I made a bold edit based on this specific situation. I am not going to edit war about it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Not a policy or guideline but guidance from Wikiproject LGBT, WP:TRANSNAME suggests "birth and former names of transgender and non-binary people should only be included in the lead section if they were notable prior to coming out." -- Dane ^talk 02:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Which is true in the present case, and consistent with WP:DEADNAME. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Do you have to be 13 to use Wikipedia?

Hi! This is probably a silly question, but do you have to be 13 to use Wikipedia? ~Abraham236 (talk) 02:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Abraham236, You can be of any age, as long as you follow our rules :) If you under 18, I would not mention that on Wiki, and would generally keep your age a secret as a matter of practice. We have Wikipedians of all ages, from quite young, to quite old! CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 02:49, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks again @CaptainEek! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abraham236 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Abraham236 I'd suggest reading this guidance for younger editors. 331dot (talk) 07:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Can't find

Where can I find this or this templates? I have been templated with both, but can't find them anywhere for me to use. I am pretty sure they were not created fresh for my talk page. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aditya Kabir: The comment says it's derived from {{Ds/alert}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Never noticed this WP:Discretionary sanction thing before. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 07:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_on_Leith_(film) locations of filiming.

Question: For the film Sunshine on Leith, Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_on_Leith_(film) I wish to insert the filming locations which are identifiable.

I seek guidance to the appropriate format to allow me to carry out this action.

Sincerely DIY Man DIY Man (talk) 07:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)