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Hello, a few weeks back I tried to research Kitchen Island here on Wiki and noticed that there was no information on this subject. So I went to research this subject and published my findings on my blog Now I would like to share my findings with your reader. LLC28146 (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@LLC28146: Previous discussion is at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 July 23#I would like to submit a missing article section. I'm afraid blogs are generally not WP:reliable sources, especially trying to cite your own blog as a source. What you would need to do is summarize the main points (it would be too long if you went into that level of detail here) and cite the sources you found (if they are what Wikipedia considers reliable). Note that you should not copy text directly from your blog, even if you wrote it; even if it were freely licensed (I didn't check), as a practical matter, it's likely that someone will come along and think it's a copyright violation. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, I think he's saying that he has researched it and saved his research on his blog for a while. LLC28146, if the subject you're writing on is notable and has independent reliable sources that has talked about it, you can make an article about it. If you are unsure whether your article is worthy of being on Wikipedia, you can make it a draft first; if you are sure already, submit it for review and an editor will decide. GeraldWL ✉ 13:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Right – I was anticipating, based on past experience, what "share my findings with your reader" might mean. Most people naturally don't want to do the same work twice. I'm trying to suggest that the blog should not be used directly, neither by copying text from it nor citing it as a reference. Instead, it's necessary to use the sources that the blog post was based on to expand the section in the existing Kitchens article or, if appropriate, splitting it out to a separate "Kitchen island" article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1: Exactly what I thought. GeraldWL ✉ 03:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Userbox

How does one create a userbox? ----MountVic127 (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC) MountVic127 (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, MountVic127, and welcome to the Teahouse. You'll probably get all you need to know at Wikipedia:Userboxes, and may well find that there is already a userbox in existence to advertise your particular interests. But it's a fun exercise to make you own. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@MountVic127: Go to templates in the editor and type userbox, tap it, and type whatever you want . Regards.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 15:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyright issue

Hi. I'm a new editor working on Draft:David J. Zimmerman and am not clear why the posting of certain external links poses copyright questions. I received this comment from a reviewer. "→‎External Links: commenting out what's hosted at squarespace.com and whose copyright status is therefore dubious undothank" There are several articles written about David J. Zimmerman which no longer appear online. The external links I posted were links to pdf's which were created from the articles when they were online. Thanks. VictorMooney (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

This is the edit in question. (As it happens, I'm the person who made it.) The first of several such articles is something titled "Taking on the Tragic in Unconventional Portraits", from the Wall Street Journal. Can you demonstrate that its reproduction on squarespace.com is authorized by the copyright holder? (I find this hard to believe, particularly as the WSJ imposes a paywall.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. No, I can't demonstrate the reproduction is authorized. Can you suggest what might show authorization? Would emails from the publications be sufficient? I appreciate your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VictorMooney (talk • contribs) 22:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

VictorMooney, they look to be PDF print outs from the websites of the actual publications - you might just want to link to the original, even if they implement a paywall. A quick google will do this. Ed talk! 22:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed. I'll keep those links off the draft until I find a good solution. I did read in WP "help" that linking to sites with a paywall is discouraged. VictorMooney (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@VictorMooney: While free-to-read sites are preferred, a paywalled source is still better than nothing (it can usually be found/read by someone with access at WP:RX if needed). Just to clarify part of the original question, when a source looks like it's a potential copyright violation, one reason we don't want to link to it because it's more likely to disappear than other sources. Also, archivers watch for new citations on Wikipedia and archive those cited pages, which I think could create a problem for them, too. From a moral standpoint, I think it's best that we do what we can to not support copyright violators. (BTW, note WP:INDENT for the preferred discussion page formatting. Thanks.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, AlanM1. It's very helpful.VictorMooney (talk) 16:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for notability guidelines

Hi, I'm a Wikipedian author who is writing about Indonesian government officials, and was thinking to divert to the viral world. I want to make an article about Muhammad Didit, an Indonesian youtuber who has gone viral as Man who did nothing for 2 hours. You could search the term on Google, and it will generate some web sources, especially the one from Phillipines, who is regarded as the Philippines' newspaper of record. Could someone review the notability of this person? Thank you. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Jeromi Mikhael, welcome to the Teahouse. If you have sufficient sources that can explain things about him, you can sure write one. You are pointing out an Indonesian YouTuber, meaning you'll write a biography. Biographies are usually hard to make, but if you can make one, sure. Only write sentences that can be backed up by sources; do not make unsourced reliable claims. Feel free to ask more things on my talk page if you have a lot more to ask. Terima kasih, dari GeraldWL 06:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Do you think I should make an article about the person or the video? Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, it really depends on the notability. I suggest making the biography, just to add more to the notability of the subject. But if the video is the one notable, write the video. GeraldWL ✉ 12:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Here is the draft. Could you asses the notability? Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, you must describe what the video is about, write the summary, as well as several other things, of course, backed up by the sources. I'll try help you with that. GeraldWL ✉ 12:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Ehh...I mean asking you if it's worth it to make an article about the video. It won't be funny if I finished making the video and someone told me that the video is not notable.... Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, seeing the video getting international notability, I think it is decently worth having an article on it. There's little information I can render based on the sources you give, though. I suggest you do more research to the video, see if there's any interviews or other articles on the subject. That way you can add more stuff. GeraldWL ✉ 13:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Eh, I think you could try searching Man who did nothing for 2 hours or 2 Jam Nggak Ngapa-Ngapain video. This particular video is weird because there's more international exposure compared to domestic exposure. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hyperlink country names in "List of __ by country" articles?

In an article listing something by country, should the countries be hyperlinked? For example, at List of legal entity types by country, the countries are not linked, but I have seen articles in the same format (countries as section headers) in which countries are linked. What's the policy on this? I'm guessing not linked (?) CampWood (talk) 03:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi CampWood. I'm assuming you mean WP:WIKILINK when you say "hyperlink", but generally links shouldn't really be added to section headings as explained in MOS:HEAD. You probably have seen such a thing done in other articles per WP:OTHERCONTENT, but that doesn't necessarily mean it should've been done. In the article you cite above as an example, it might be possible to add a hatnote (e.g. {{Main}}, {{Further}}) at the beginning of each section to a relevant article like is done for List of legal entity types by country#India and List of legal entity types by country#Russia or even possible to add a link inline like is done for List of legal entity types by country#Albania; however, I'm not so sure that linking to the main article about a country itself is really going to be very helpful to the reader of an article about legal entities unless there's a specific section in the main country article which covers such a thing in more detail. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. CampWood (talk) 14:37, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

how to make my page seen on search links

 Adam Timothy Mayemba (talk) 06:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Adam Timothy Mayemba: All you've done so far is to create a Userpage - which is not an encyclopedic article. Please use the Article Wizard to create an article. You can find advice on how to create it at WP:YFA. Please note that autobiographys are strongely discouraged and I personally haven't seen somebody suceed so far. Also, an Wikipedia article might not nessesarely be desireable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Create an article

 Rxdd Sxvxge (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Rxdd Sxvxge, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have any details on what article you want to make? Like biographies or films? That way I can give you specific infos. GeraldWL ✉ 12:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Herllo, Rxdd Sxvxge, and welcome to the Teahouse, and Wikipedia. Irrespective of the kind of article you want to make, I would advise you that creating a new article is the hardest task there is for a new editor, and you will probably have a very frustrating and disappointing experience if you try it before you have spent some weeks or months adding value to Wikipedia by improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works.

If you're planning to write an article about WH1P G4NG, then I strongly suggest that you carefully study NMUSIC before you start, and find several places where people who have no connection with WH1P G4NG, and not prompted or fed information by them, have chosen to write about them - at least three or four paragraphs - and been published in a reliable source. If you cannot find suitable sources to establish that they meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then no article about them will be accepted, however it is written, and all effort you put into doing so will be wasted effort. A quick search has thrown up nothing relevant, so I doubt that they are notable in Wikipedia's sense. In any case, please look at Your first article before you try that task; and if you have any connection with WH1P G4NG yourself, please also read about editing with a Conflict of interest.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative, but our experience is that hundreds and hundreds of people come here for the purpose of promoting themselves, or their band, or their company; and they uniformly have a tough time, because that's not what Wikipedia is for. If, on the other hand, you are here to help us build a (neutral, non-promotional) encylopaedia, then Welcome! I suggest you start with The Wikipedia Adventure. --ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Commons files vs. Wikipedia files

What is the difference between files uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and files uploaded to the File namespace on Wikipedia? Is one better than the other? Maka, the Two Star Meister! (talk) 12:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maka the Two Star Meister, welcome to the Teahouse. Commons files and Wikipedia files generally do not have any difference, you can upload your files in either place (although it is encouraged to upload on Commons as editors on other projects can use it). However, if the file you're uploading is copyrighted, upload it on Wikipedia, because Commons does not accept them. Copyrighted files should also comply fair use. GeraldWL ✉ 12:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @Maka, the Two Star Meister!: All files uploaded to Wikimedia Commons are available under a free license (I would say usually CC-BY-SA but I do not see a Commons page that says everything is available under that license). Therefore, they must come from a source that itself can be relicensed as such. On the other hand, the File namespace of en-Wikipedia (Wikipedia in English; rules are different on, say, the German version) may contain copyrighted materials if they satisfy WP:NFCC. Notice that these criteria are (intentionally) stricter than the fair use legal restriction given by Gerald Waldo Luis.

As a general rule, you should migrate everything you can to Commons, and keep as local files those who have copyright restrictions (typically, album covers, film posters etc. that are used to illustrate articles about the subject they promote). Files from either location can be used in English-Wikipedia articles in the same manner. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• The Wikimedia movement includes about a thousand Wikis, including around 300 language versions of Wikipedia, plus Wikimedia Commons. If an image is on Wikimedia Commons it can be used on all of those thousand Wikis, plus others from outside the movement. But if an image is only on one language version of Wikipedia it can only be used there unless someone copies or moves it. Think of it as the software looking at two wikis whenever an image is specified, the wiki you are on and then Wikimedia Commons. So if you can release the image under an open license and you want as many people as possible to use it, then Wikimedia Commons is the place to go. But if it isn't your work, for example you are uploading a low resolution copy of a book cover or album cover under the fair use provision then stick with the English language Wikipedia as Wikimedia Commons does not host "fair use" files. ϢereSpielChequers 13:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• As an addition to WereSpielChequers, copyrighted files should only be used in either: 1) The article it is about, meaning for primary identification; 2) The article where relevant. If t is option 2, then you must add a sourced commentary about said file, see Jaws (film)#Music as an example. It does not only preview the main theme, but also gives information that casual readers may be interested to know. If you cannot find a commentary, do not use it mainly for decorative purposes, at least until you can find one. Images are supplemental, so it is not required to have one if there can't be one. That's what I can say. GeraldWL ✉ 13:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I think you mean other people's copyright:). By default what we do and upload is copyrighted, but under a very open license that allows others to reuse what we have done provided they comply with CC-BY-SA. If anyone wants to upload images that other people own the copyright of then I would suggest reading the relevant policy in full. ϢereSpielChequers 14:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'm referring to non-frees that aren't ours. GeraldWL ✉ 14:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Trouble in moving/redirecting/renaming a page

I would like for this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stuart_Bertolotti-Bailey to be the only one for Stuart Bertolotti-Bailey AND Stuart Bailey (from which I messily redirected it), and I would like for the category 'Wikipedia' to be removed – that was also a mistake.

I have no idea how to fix this mess. Please help me! TheServingLibrary (talk) 12:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi TheServingLibrary, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to move a page to where appropriate, just click the "move" button beside "View History." You can do it by hovering over the "More" button. When a page is moved, the previous name is already a redirect, so that's instant solved. I hope that's what you're asking. GeraldWL ✉ 12:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi sorry this is not what I mean. I just want to have one page called Stuart Bertolotti-Bailey. With no redirects. And the category 'Wikipedia' that appears before the name is wrong. Should I deleted the whole thing and redo it? How do I even do that? OMG what a mess TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

TheServingLibrary, That is not possible. You can remove the redirect once you move it, but that is considered blanking a page, and an editor should not blank a page. Just keep it a redirect, there's no harm. GeraldWL ✉ 13:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. How do you remove the redirect? I basically need to undo the last couple of things I did (the redirect and change of category) but I can't find a way to do it. Thank you so much for helpng me. TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, for some mysterious reason it doesn't let me visually edit but only source edit the page now... what a disaster. TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:10, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

TheServingLibrary, done. The contents have been migrated to the unprefixed page. GeraldWL ✉ 13:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Gerald THANK YOU. Thank you sooooo much. TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

One last thing: do you know why I can't simply edit the page anymore, but the only thing I can do it source edit, which is very inconvenient? Thank you again!! TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

TheServingLibrary, you can visually edit the page. Just go the the right top, see that pencil icon? Click it, and click the eye icon where it says "Visual edit." GeraldWL ✉ 13:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

AMAZING. THANK YOU. SORRY to be so bad at this. TheServingLibrary (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

What makes an edit vandalism?

What makes an edit Vandalism. I am pretty new to editing and I corrected the List of Republicans who oppose the 2020 Donald Drumpf presidential campaign article to correct the incorrect statement that Mitt Romney was senator of Massachusetts, when he was actually Governor. This was flagged as vandalism and I am not clear on how it was vandalism. Can someone please explain this to me? Victor Scimitar (talk) 13:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Victor Scimitar! If you're referring to this edit [1] labelled as "Edited to show Mitt Romney was the Governor of Massachusetts, not Senator", then it's presumably because you also changed Donald Trump's name to "Donald Drumpf" throughout the entire article. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 13:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed with YorkshireLad. Even if you hate the subject, such vandalism will ruin Wikipedia as an encyclopedia and is vandalism, just like real-life vandalisms. I understand that reference tho. GeraldWL ✉ 13:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I was unaware I was doing this, I have an extension that does that automatically, I apologize and that makes sense why that got flagged. Sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Scimitar (talk • contribs) 14:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have deleted the extension and that should not be an issue any further — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor Scimitar (talk • contribs) 14:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Scimitar: That's funny. Glad you fixed it. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 14:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Not the first time that extension, (despite its amusement factor), has caused problems! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 23:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

How to create a Background

Im creating a page for a client. Id like to know how do I create the different sections: Background, Personal, Professional, etc., Dahlia Vetreese (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dahlia Vetreese, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Per Wikimedia's terms of use, if you are editing for financial reasons, you must declare it on your user page. You can read more about this at WP:PAID. You must not edit further until you have declared this. After you've done this, you can read more at WP:YFA, which contains lots of info about making your first page. Ed talk! 15:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dahlia Vetreese: I'm really sorry, but I felt it appropriate that I should block your account on the grounds that it appears to be that of the politician Dahlia O. Vertreese. Ignoring the typo in your username, in your post above you refer to having a client for whom you are being paid to create an article. Logic tells me that the politician is paying you to write about her; that you haven't much of a clue what you're doing; and that you are not actually Vertreese herself. If you are her, then the instructions on your talk page explain how to get your account unblocked. Likewise, if you are not her, there are also instructions there for you to follow. Either way, we do not permit draft articles to be created on a userpage, and such pages will be deleted if we find you creating them there. See WP:USERPAGE for more information on what is and isn't acceptable. Once unblocked (or editing under a new account name) please then declare your paid work as per this obligatory policy: WP:PAID. Then please use the Wizard to create a draft at Articles for Creation, which you can then submit for review when its ready.

To be perfectly blunt: anyone expecting to receive payment for creating an article for someone needs to have actually spent some time in advance learning how we operate here, rather than wasting our volunteers' time sorting their own mess-ups. We're perfectly happy and willing to help other volunteer editors who make mistakes when they start out, but paid editors with clients should already be competent enough to work things most out for themselves, in my view, and only seek support when it's genuinely needed. Sorry this sounds grumpy, but the rest of us are not here to help you set up a business, or earn money on the side. Please start from Help:Introduction and take the time to learn how things work before setting yourself up to work for other people. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)    

In brief, abandon this account. Start a new account with a different User name. If you intend to try to create and article about the NJ politician Dahlia Vetreese, then declare your paid situation on your User page (see WP:PAID). Then, per Nick Moyes use Articles for Creation. However, and this is an important however, Vetreese is already identified as the mayor of Hillside at Hillside, New Jersey, and it is extremely unlikely that she meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability to warrant an article about her solely because she is a mayor. The mayor of New York City warrants an article, mayor of Hillside, not. David notMD (talk) 16:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I create a new article for Baalveer Returns?

Can I create a new article for Baalveer Returns? Baalveer Returns is a new show and it should not be joined with Baal Veer.  WEST SA01 (talk) 17:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

WEST SA01, I suggest reading this tutorial on how to create an article and checking whether the article subject passes the general notability guideline. If you believe it is notable enough for an article, click here to create an article with the article wizard. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

What do I do if I want an Image removed?

Hi. I just wanted to know something which could be helpful. Suppose I wanted an image that I uploaded deleted. What do I do? Because it's not possible for us(non-admin) to delete. Do I have to contact an Admin? Do I have to give reasons? MRC2RULES (talk) 17:04, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @MRC2RULES! The best course of action in your case is to ask for Wikipedia:G7 on the file page. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

To find articles to be removed

How to delete some articles ? Iitianeditor (talk) 18:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Iitianeditor, welcome to the Teahouse. It's not clear why you wanted to delete articles, as deletion are nominated purely because it is not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Only administrators can delete it, but there must be a consensus. You can engage in deletion nominations at WP:AFD, but before you do so, kindly understand Wikipedia's notability, encyclopedic tone, citations, etc. guidelines as well as WP:DEL to familiarize yourself with deletion and inclusion. It's best for you to edit before participating in a nomination. GeraldWL ✉ 18:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Iitianeditor: Before looking for articles to delete, I recommend you get a good sense of what determines if an article should be kept or not. Visit the Articles for deletion page and read some of the nominations. Look how the discussions are voted on and eventually closed. When you are comfortable, you can vote yourself. Then you can look for articles that are tagged for notability and see if they can be improved or nominated for deletion. Good luck and thanks for trying to improve the encyclopedia! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)}

@Iitianeditor: We are all here to build an encyclopaedia, not to dismantle it. As a completely new editor here, finding articles to delete is above your paygrade right now. Please learn to create good content first, and understand the policies and principles that content is based upon; only in that way will you understand when other content is bad. I would also just add that we do not vote on article deletion; we justify deletion or retention in a 'Deletion discussion, based purely upon our policies of what is and is not notable. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I also want to help build the encyclopedia, but according to guidelines. non-encyclopedic content should be removed. I've read the guidelines and I believe I've come across a few articles that should be deleted. If I'm mistaken, I'd be happy to learn and improve.Iitianeditor (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

How Do I Upload A Image On Wikipedia?

How do I upload an image on Wikipedia? WEST SA01 (talk) 19:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi WEST SA01, welcome to the Teahouse. You can find help regarding uploading images at WP:UPI. Ed talk! 19:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Or read Illustrating Wikipedia:A guide to contributing content to Wikimedia Commons ~ Amkgp 💬 19:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing question

How do I edit only for myself? RealFeelings (talk) 19:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

RealFeelings Welcome to Teahouse. Its unclear what is your question. Can you elaborate it ? If you are looking for creation of an article. Read Your first article ~ Amkgp 💬 19:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

RealFeelings, do you mean an article private to yourself? If you are referring to a draft, you can make one at your sandbox or making a page called "Draft:[name]". If you meant a published, private article, sorry, you can't make pages viewable by yourself. Kinda different from YouTube here. GeraldWL ✉ 08:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Change the title of a draft

Hi! I'm working on my first contribution. Could you please help me on finding a way to change the title of a draft I'm preparing? And, once finished, how should I proceed to submit it to revision?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fast_Know_Times_in_Pyrenees_routes_and_summits

Thank you Zocodo (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zocodo: I changed the name myself to a title that seemed sensible, but if you want to change it to something different (or move a different page), the instructions are at Wikipedia:Moving a page (moving = changing title). I also added a template to the top of the page. When you think it is ready to go live, press the submit button to have other editors review it. Before you invest more time in the draft, however, I suggest you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Running to make sure this is the sort of article Wikipedia usually hosts. I'm not sure that it is, and I don't want you investing more time into it if it is bound to be rejected. Good luck, and thanks for your contributions! Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok @Calliopejen1:, thanks for your feedback!

New Picture

I recently uploaded a picture called File:Rabbi Ber Hersh Heller (from Reb Yaakov 1993).png under Fair Use, however I later discovered that it may in fact be in the public domain. The photo seems to be extracted the previously uploaded File:Vilijampolės ješivos rabinai ir mokiniai.png, which is in the Public Domain. If the picture I just uploaded is in the public domain as well, it should be listed that way. If someone can help me clear this up, will be appreciated. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Charlie Smith FDTB: I would keep your upload listed as fair use. I don't think there is really enough information to conclude that File:Vilijampolės ješivos rabinai ir mokiniai.png was an anonymous work, which is the basis of its public-domain claim. I don't feel strongly enough about it to nominate File:Vilijampolės ješivos rabinai ir mokiniai.png for deletion at Commons as non-free, though. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Creating a page on Wikipedia

I would like to be able to create a biography of a living author and am looking for advice and or assistance. This is a new author, has written 4 books - 3 of which are on Amazon.

 Not2Doubt (talk) 22:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Not2Doubt Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully writing a new article (not just a "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users are much more likely to succeed at if they first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial.

If you still want to try, you should read Your first article. This author would need to receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable author. If you can do that, you should use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft. Keep in mind it is not difficult for people to write and publish a book, and subsequently put it up for sale online, so merely being available on Amazon is not part of the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Not2Doubt. Start by reading the notability guideline for creative professionals and Your first article. The fact that three books are sold by Amazon is of no significance, since Amazon strives to sell every consumer product under the sun. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, Not2Doubt, if they are a new author, it may well be TOOSOON. Note that if they do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then all work you or anybody else puts in to try and create the article will be wasted effort. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Not2Doubt, Even if an article is deemed WP:TOOSOON, as well noted by ColinFine, you can save it offline. I have found that MS Notes perserves the wikitext markup. Then, a few years later, when additional WP:RS have accumulated, you can update the previous version, and submit. Frankly, I would never attempt to write a new article, without saving my work offline. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 23:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Dextrose

When researching "dextrose"(corn sugar), Wikipedia erroneously redirects the reader to "glucose" (blood sugar). I want to write a page confirming that dextrose is corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch per Code of Federal Regulation 21CFR184.1857. I would greatly appreciate your assistance. Thank you!  DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 23:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

When I search, Dextrose redirects to Glucose, as does Corn sugar (via Dextrose), but I see nothing for Dextrose (corn sugar). There is also Corn syrup and High-fructose corn syrup. Not sure if this helps. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Dextrose redirects to Glucose because it is one of the isomers of glucose. It is a glucose. Per the article " The d-isomer, d-glucose, also known as dextrose, occurs widely in nature", so while "corn sugar" is indeed dextrose, it's not really correct to say that "dextrose is corn sugar". I don't see a need for an article about this. Anything that is needed that is not already in the glucose article can be added to that article. We can always add a new redirect if needed. Meters (talk) 00:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

To add a (possibly obvious) point to this discussion, glucose is not merely blood sugar. In addition, 21 CFR 184.1857 defines corn sugar, not dextrose, though it notes that corn sugar can be called dextrose. It does not say that all dextrose is corn sugar. I think we handle this issue appropriately by having the disambiguation page at corn sugar, though possibly an article could be written about the corn sugar-specific refining process outlined in CFR Title 21, should you be interested in writing that article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I may need to retract my last comment given that the refining is covered at Glucose#Commercial_production. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It's probably worth pointing out that this is a global encyclopaedia, with readers and contributors in many parts of the world outside the USA, so the Code of Federal Regulation 21CFR184.1857 won't be of much interest to a lot of our readers. HiLo48 (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Saved edits reverting to original

I started to edit an article called Death of Elijah McClain that has a number of errors, saved my edit, and the article reverted to the original article. This being my first editing experience, I'm hoping you can help! Sjrflyfisher (talk) 23:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Your edits were undone by two editors, both times with edit summaries saying that your edits were WP:POV and asking you to discuss your edits on the article's talk page. See [2] Meters (talk) 00:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ping the users in question, HandThatFeeds and Armadillopteryx. Meters (talk) 00:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Sjrflyfisher. If you look at the page history for Death of Elijah McClain, you'll see that the edits you made here and here were reverted by two other editors here and here. The edit summaries left by the other editors state that they have concerns about the WP:NPOV of the changes you made and advise you to seek WP:CONSENSUS for them on the article's talk page. This is kind of how most disagreements over article content, etc. among editors are expected to be resolved on Wikipedia. One editor makes a WP:BOLD edit that they believe is an improvement, but another comes along and either completely undoes or partially revises the changes that were made because they feel they weren't in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. When that happens, the thing to do in most cases is to try and follow WP:BRD and seek a resolution through discussion on the article's talk page. So, that's where you're at now. You should start a discussion about this on the article's talk page and see if you can address the concerns of these other editors. You shouldn't try and force your preferred version through with this discussion no matter how right you believe you may be because that's likely going to be seen as edit warring. It's OK if you didn't know any of this because you're a new editor, but now that you do it's best to follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to replace images?

Hello,

I'm trying to replace the logo for the Royal Hong Kong Police. However, I can't quite get my head around the Wikipedia interface/system. Could someone please elaborate on this?

Thanks. Blokeston (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blokeston. Why for you want to replace the logo? Did the Royal Hong Kong Police change its logo in some way? Is it a completely different logo or is it basically the same logo that's only changed in some minor way? Replacing an image bascially involves either uploading a new image or uploading a new version of an already existing image. If you can clarify why you feel the logo needs to be replaced, then it will be easier to give you a more specific answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly, I can't see any reason as to why the logo needs to be changed. The logo has not changed. I'm assuming Blokeston just wants a different style of the logo (there are many styles of it), but I don't see any significant need in replacing it. GeraldWL ✉ 04:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Multiple declines

I was wondering if it has a negative effect if I get rejected multiple times while trying to submit a publication?

And if so, to whom may I turn to formulate my article in a suitable way for Wikipedia?

(LLC28146 (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)) LLC28146 (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Your Sandbox draft User:LLC28146/sandbox has been Declined, then Rejected, the latter indicating that in the opinion of the reviewer there is no potential to improve the draft to a version that could be accepted as an article. The Kitchen article has a short paragraph on the kitchen island which you could consider expanding, and adding references (a weakness of the entire article). Please first learn how to create references, as what you have in your draft is wrong. David notMD (talk) 01:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@LLC28146: I strongly disagree with the rejection (as in, no potential for acceptance) of your article. Kitchen island is a topic that I'm stunned we don't have an article on already. I think the first task is to find some suitable references that could form the basis of the article. I'm going to do a bit of digging and get back to you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@LLC28146: Okay, it's not as easy to find sources about this as I would like. (Domestic life is always devalued and not written about as much as one would expect...) Anyways the main problem with your current draft is that there is a lot of original research/original synthesis/inappropriate use of primary sources. Wikipedia is a tertiary source and should summarize what secondary (not primary) sources say. I am going to add a further reading section to the article that contains footnotes that should be the basis for the overall article. I would delete most/all of what you currently add, and rewrite the article solely based on what these sources say. (Or what other additional secondary sources say, if you can find additional secondary sources.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @LLC28146: Once you have assembled suitable sources, you should have a look at WP:TONE and maybe compare your draft with language used in Kitchen and other B-class or better articles in the subject area. The style of writing in the draft is just not what is expected here. It's too informal, addressing the user directly and personally by a single essayist, as though one were involved in a discussion. What's expected is formal (even "dry") language of an encyclopedia article that reflects what many (inline-cited) reliable sources have written. This is what the first decline was about. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@LLC28146: and @Calliopejen1:, Frank Bunker Gilbreth Jr. and his wife/co-worker, Ernestine Gilbreth Carey did some time and motion study research regarding the most effective layouts of a kitchen. (Obviously important, as they had twelve children!) Although they were well-known for the industrial applications of their work, they had a lasting impact on kitchen layouts. Perhaps some of the above will provide some leads. If sources can be located, I can assist with copyediting for proper WP:TONE. Good article subject! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 09:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Page has been reviewed notice

I received the notice "The page Thailand Quality Award has been reviewed." I was told by the reviewer that this was part of some patrol process. Two questions related to this:
1) Shouldn't it say article and not page? I have seen more senior editors correct others that articles are articles and not pages.
2) Where in the article is it noted that it was reviewed? I looked in the history and the talk page and found no record of it having been reviewed. --Ian Korman (talk) 02:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi IanKorman. The word "page" was probably used without any specific meaning attached to it. WP:NPP is a short-cut for "Wikipedia:New pages patrol", so "page" was probably chosen simply to make it easier to apply to all Wikipedia pages. You can ask about this as well as the part of your post at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers and someone more familiar with how NPP works probably will be able to better answer your questions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly. I asked the second question there as advised. --Ian Korman (talk) 03:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@IanKorman: You won't find a record of the review in the history or the talk page, but you will find it in the article's log page (linked from the top of the history). --David Biddulph (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Kudos to you. I had not thought to look there since I don't do much editing involving that area. There is even a check box for patrolling. --Ian Korman (talk) 01:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

How long does it take for reference desk questions to get answered?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

OP has been blocked for a username violation and vandalism; moreover, it's unlikely any further discussion here at the Teahouse regarding this is necessary. The OP's question was sufficiently answered by HiLo48 and want came after is essentially nothing but a bit of WP:DRAMA. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi everyone, I was just wondering how long it usually takes to answer a question that got asked at the reference desk. Thanks John Dong Longson (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC) John Dong Longson (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Anywhere between minutes and a couple of days. Sometimes not at all if the subject is outside the areas of interest of those who frequent the desk. A bit of a guide can be seen by looking at the timestamps of earlier questions and responses. HiLo48 (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

John Dong Longson, the reference desks do not answer questions that ask for medical advice, as yours did. They do not answer questions that involve fart trolling, as yours did. Editors there may be reluctant to answer questions from editors with trolling usernames, as it appears that you have. So, there is all of that. Are you here to improve this encyclopedia or to be a troll? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, my question was not a request for medical advice. A question asking for medical advice would be something like “should we avoid inhaling farts?” Things that are fart-related are not necessarily trolling, and I would ask you to please be mature. Finally, I am struggling to see how you reach the conclusion that I have a “trolling username”. From a juvenile perspective, maybe? “Dong” as my middle name is from my mother’s side of my family - I am half Chinese. Cheers. John Dong Longson (talk) 10:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to create artist page?

Hello, I am Saurabh kakade and I am a professional music composer & sound engineer on Unplugged21 Productions (www.unplugged21.com) Guide me create my artist page. Saurabhkakade21 (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it is not a website for you to use for self-promotion. David Biddulph (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saurabhkakade21. What David posted above is true in that Wikipedia is not really intended to be a place for you to promote yourself or your activities. Perhaps try looking at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets to see whether there's some other website you can use which would be better suited for that type of thing. Now having posted that, Wikipedia is a place where encyclopedic articles can be created about subjects deemed to be Wikipedia notable. Which means if you are considered to be Wikipedia notable for some reason (for example, Wikipedia:Notability (people)), then perhaps someday someone will create an article about you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

HOW TO MAKE CHANGES TO A PAGE ?

 Positive Mitu (talk) 05:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

If you are trying to ask why your edits to Bhaage Re Mann were reverted, the page history tells you that it is because they were unsourced. In at least some cases your changes directly contradicted the cited references. Less significantly, the changes were also malformatted, for example in the presentation of lists. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Article deleted by mod without review or talk?

The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Iles was written by me after I noticed a dead link - the article had been deleted (for suspicious reasons in the first place - clearly mod-personal reason)

How can one appeal a new draft deletion by the same moderator?

I've been threatned to be blocked after writing a neutral article on a very prominent activist in the AU political space. I guess they don't want that person to be notable, but they clearly are. (Martyn Isles, ACL)

The moderator has made some unfounded assumptions and allowed for ZERO feedback or talk before deleting the article of a _Very_ prominent activist in AU.

called conflict of interest, citing I had been asked to write the article, which I was not said person wasn't noteworthy (probably one of the most noteworthy activist in modern AU history) said not enough evidence that he is in that position (which is clearly rubbish) a google search finds pages and pages of info.

Can that moderator be blocked from moderating a page they disagree with personally (clearly in this case) but using power to continually delete?

Also can the page be restored by another moderator without fear of the original moderator deleting it again?

Need some direction here as I'm just about to write a series of other missing articles in AU politics and want to make sure I understand the process as right now I'm gobsmacked at this mod. Dawesi (talk) 07:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dawesi. It appears that Draft:Martyn Iles was deleted for being overtly promotion and also because of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest concerns. It appears that an article by that same name had been previously deleted a few months ago as well per criterion WP:G5. I'm not an admin so I can't see the deleted pages, but there are admins who are Teahouse hosts who can. One possibility is that the even though you might be trying to create an article about this person in good faith, those who tried to do so before caused so many problems that now the motives of anyone new who comes along are going to be highly scrutinized. If the draft you created was basically a repeat of the page that was previously deleted, then it was almost certain to end up being deleted by some administrator.

You seem to have been involved in a pretty contentious discussion about this on your user talk page with an administrator named Nick-D and that has carried over to your post here at the Teahouse. While I understand how you might be feeling frustrated, claiming an adminsitrator is abusing his power or did with he did because of personal reasons is unlikely to find much sympathy here at the Teahouse or anywhere else without specific proof. All administrator actions can be reviewed, but the best thing you can do would be to explain how this person meets WP:BIO or WP:NPOL (things might not be as clear-cut as they seem to you) and see if you can get the draft restored again via Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, if by chance you're somehow connected to a previously banned account, or are somehow connected to the subject of the article, then your best bet would be follow relevant policies and guidelines and as upfront about such a connection as you can. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

The article here was blatantly promotional of the subject, and was written on behalf of the subject's communications officer (see User talk:Nick-D#Martyn Iles). There seems to be a campaign to use Wikipedia to promote this person, or at least a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. Nick-D (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to make a hurricane season article?

"subject": hurricane season article

How to make a hurricane season article? i've been trying to make a hurricane season on this site. how do you make a hurricane season article? Sanvid2395 (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sanvid2395. Hurricane season already exists; a disambiguation page leading to relevant articles. Is it another kind of "hurricane season"? Please specify. GeraldWL ✉ 09:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sanvid2395 and welcome to the Teahouse! Depends of what you mean. As you can see, hurricane season is taken. Do you mean something like the the articles listed at Pacific hurricane season and Atlantic_hurricane_season#1494–1850_(pre-HURDAT_era)? If so, it's like the any other article, but you can look at the articles listed there for inspiration. Gather your WP:RS and summarize them. Take the time to read Help:Your first article if you haven't. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sanvid2395: See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones, whose members might be able to offer specific advice, encouragement or guidance. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Publishing an entry

I have now made an entry, it is in the sandbox and I think it is ready to go public. How can that happen? Sand7043 10:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sand7043: I have added a submit button for you and cleaned up a bit. See also Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:SysCAD

Hi, I am looking for some advice on satisfying software product notability for Draft:SysCAD. I have trimmed back the article since the first submission, removed referenced with only passing mentions, and added references which show use in different industries and for different applications. Could you please give some advice on what is seen to be missing? DanMunchie (talk) 10:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Some sources that are wholly independent of the company and developers, DanMunchie? (Disclosure: I haven't looked at most of your sources, I'm just going on the titles, authors, and what you have cited them for). See WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

All are independent except (1) (Company website info page) and a co-author on (5). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMunchie (talk • contribs) 12:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah. I had a brief look at reference 2, and misread it as being about the model that SysCAD is based on, which would clearly make it not-independent. I see that I was wrong, it is about using SysCad: I apologise for that. It might therefore be independent. However, "The authors would also like to thank the staff at KWA, [...] for providing training and support in relation to the implementation of the milling model within SysCAD" raises some doubt in my mind about its independence. More importantly, though, I don't believe the paper contains significant coverage of SysCAD: while it might be a worthwhile citation for the article, it cannot in my view contribute to establishing SysCAD as notable. Which three of your references are independent sources which do provide significant coverage? --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Reference (3) is independent and contains the most significant coverage of all the references. I may also add this reference as well. The difficulty is SysCAD is a tool, in the same way Excel is - it is somewhat unusual for someone to include details on the working of Excel when reporting the results of a project which extensively used it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMunchie (talk • contribs) 16:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to write a biography

Hello dear friends , thank you for providing a platform where i can find some answers to my questions . I wanted to publish a mini biography about a young talent , a singer . Who recently was verified by spotify . He also wanted to have an introduction on Wikipedia. I'll be glad if you guide me through the procces . Hamrazz (talk) 11:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Hamrazz and welcome to the Teahouse! Take a look at WP:BIO. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" move on to WP:YFA. If not, edit about something else, the article will not be accepted. WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hamrazz, coupled with what has already been said to you I’d like to add that if you are friends with the person in question, it is generally not a good idea to create the article yourself. See WP:COI. Also take a thorough look at WP:GNG. Celestina007 12:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an admin

Could you please tell me how to become a Wikipedia administrator?OrangeCD-ROM (talk) 14:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC) OrangeCD-ROM (talk) 14:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, OrangeCD-ROM. You can read more about the role and requirements at Wikipedia:Administrators. It usually takes a few years of intensive editing, with many thousands of edits and a clearly demonstrated understanding of our policies and procedures. The wider community are then able to express their views on that person's suitability over a week-long period. Why do you ask? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse, The only prerequisites for adminship are having an account and being extended confirmed (having both 30 days' tenure and 500 edits) so that you can file your own nomination here Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. However, the likelihood of passing without being able to show significant positive contributions to the encyclopedia is extremly low. I’ve been editing virtually every day for 14 years with more than 100,000 edits, but even now wouldn’t consider I had what it takes to become an admin. Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I think there's a sensible middle ground somewhere between those two extremes! and, Theroadislong, I'm sure you do! (But I'm still not sure I have what it takes to be a good admin - yet earlier this year the community trusted me enough to give me those few extra editing rights and responsibilities. The hard work and attention to detail starts from there. One can only do one's best.) Nick Moyes (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, does that figure of 500 edits include edits to things like user pages, talk pages, sandboxes, Teahouse questions, and the like? Or does it refer only to edits to actual articles? The reason I ask is that my own edit count seems to be creeping up (faster than I would have expected), but I would guess a lot of those are to my sandbox, which I have recently been using to draft several articles. As I say, I am only asking out of curiosity, not because of any lofty ambition on my part.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Mike Marchmont, pretty much, but the area's you've edited in will be analysed and will be criticised in a RfA. And don't worry, I started in April at like 15 edits and now I'm at nearly 10,000. It does creep up fast, especially if you spend a lot of time here. Ed talk! 16:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ed6767: Thanks for your reply, Ed. Your edit count is very impressive. Keep up the good work.Mike Marchmont (talk) 18:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@OrangeCD-ROM: I usually answer this FAQ by first asking "Why do you want to be an admin?" This usually identifies an incorrect idea in the requester's mind about how Wikipedia works. Also, I did some research on this in July: Special:Permalink/965892924#Applying_for_admin. New users simply do not (and should not) become admins. "Out of about 1100 [current] admins, only 25 joined Wikipedia in 2013 or later. The newest of those joined 19 months ago." —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I know the following may be rather silly, over-the-top and idealistic, but anyway...

On the off-chance that an editor with the basic 500 edits was promoted to Admin, it would not end well. It would be like sending an unprepared missonary to live with savage cannibals on some strange planet. This editor doesn't know how to hunt, or forage in the forest, or build relationships with the people. They are unacquainted with the language or local history. The editor's cries of "I mean well!" coupled with "You must respect me!" would probably lead to a bad and bloody end.

My observation is that a good Admin is humble, not proud. They chose to wield a mop, not a sword. They seek to serve, not to garner admiration. (All of this may be somewhat idealistic, I know.) So, if a new user is determined to be an Admin, then they will chose to dedicate many years of service, and, even then, wait for their peers (all of us) to recognize their virtues. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Digital Fashion - reason for deletion?

Hello there, I've just tried to add an edit to the Digital Fashion page - the company I work for, The Fabricant www.thefabricant.com is the world-leader in this field. Our work is already linked to in an article on the wiki page by Forbes magazine. I mentioned us and added our website as a link but it was instantly deleted by the editor 'Night Snitch'. What was the reason for this instant deletion? Thank you. 95.97.145.67 (talk) 14:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Firstly we do not include external links in the body text of an article. Secondly we don't include spam links, as Wikipedia is not for promotion. Additionally you need to read about conflict of interest, and you must make the mandatory declaration of paid editing, as required by the WMF Terms of Use. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

search history

How do I delete my wikipedia search history? 2.24.151.167 (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP, welcome to the teahouse. As far as I am aware, Wikipedia does not have a search history feature and your search history is not tracked. You can clear your internet history in your browser and Google, there are many tutorials on how to do this online. Ed talk! 15:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to create a article on our own?

 27.59.254.173 (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. My answer is, spend a few months improving existing articles before you try it. Creating a new article is one of the most difficult tasks there is in editing Wikipedia, especially for new editors; and those that try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works and what are its requirements, often have a miserable and frustrating time. We delete hundreds of articles every day, many of them by people who have tried to create an article before understanding what this involves.

I advise you to take The Wikipedia Adventure if you haven't already, in order to learn about the process of editing Wikipedia; then to head to the Community portal and see some tasks that you might like to help with. Then when you are ready, please read Your first article. User:ian.thomson/Howto is also useful.

And did I mention that writing a new article is difficult, and I don't recommend it for new editors? --ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

You might find things easier if you register an account. It makes communication with other editors easier (collaboration is an important part of the process here), and you can customize your environment with various gadgets and settings. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to put a notice?

How do you put a notice in an article that a particular content needs to be moved to another article? WEST SA01 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@WEST SA01: Welcome to Wikipedia. Start by initiating a discussion on that article's tak page to get input from other interested editors. When there is consensus on the change then someone can make the needed edits. RudolfRed (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Please Respond: I am Christopher S. Adams, Jr., Major General, USAF (Re) and wish to replace and update my photograph with an Official P, IS NOT an official Photograph. Please advise as to the proper procedure.

 Mary A. Adams (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse Mary A. Adams. You have also asked the same question here Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests if you have a freely-licensed image that you own the copyright to, it should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, a central location for images where they can be used on all Wikipedia projects. Theroadislong (talk) 17:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mary A. Adams, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't understand what you mean by an official photograph. Do you mean a photograph taken by the government? I don't personally think a government-affiliated person must have an official photograph as the primary identification of said person. Can you help clarify your request? GeraldWL ✉ 17:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link to article Chris Adams (general). Theroadislong (talk) 18:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mary A. Adams. Why did you choose Mary A. Adams as your username if you’re really Christopher S. Adams, Jr.? Are you perhaps a relative of his instead? In addition, is there something wrong (or that you don’t like) about the photo currently used in the article? You can discuss any concerns you may have about the photo at Talk:Chris Adams (general), but before you do that please carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Chris Adams (general) § Photograph

(and User talk:Mary A. Adams#Shared use) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

New Article Question

Hi -I was wondering how I could edit my article to ensure that it gets approved after my next round of edits. Could you please help me understand where I need to cite/edit? Thank you!

Draft:Dada Group

Dsg61 (talk) 17:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC) Dsg61 (talk) 17:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dsg61, welcome to the Teahouse and the world of drafts. Because your draft is declined due to no citations, you may have a better chance now that you have added several, however I would like you to add references in section "history" sentence 2, 5, as well as section Leadership sentence 2. In the sentence "The two platforms are interconnected and mutually beneficial," what do you mean? Do you meant that you personally think the two companies are important or what?

I also suggest you add this infobox to the top of the draft, putting information about the company, and possibly its logo. You must upload the logo in a low resolution, and have it tagged with fair use, and upload it here.

That's probably what I can suggest for now. Good luck in the next review. GeraldWL ✉ 17:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

One thing which would make life easier for a reviewer would be if you were to consolidate the places where you have used the same reference more than once, see WP:REFNAME. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

And doing so would make more obvious the fact that there are only five sources cited: the SEC registration (which is a primary source, and cannot contribute to notability); A CNBC article based on an interview, which cannot contribute to notability; and three press releases published by PR Newswire, which "is generally unreliable, as press releases published on the site are not subject to editorial oversight" (WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 260#PR Newswire and SYZYGY for Millennials WP article), which cannot contribute to notability. Please read CSMN, Dsg61. Don't spend time on an infobox until you've found reliable independent sources, since if you cannot demonstrate that the company is notable, all the work you or anybody else has put into the draft will be wasted effort. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Article

Hey I want to publish an article about famous athlete but I’m not a creator how I can published it? Djdjdjdj12345 (talk) 18:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

The question here appears to be that Djdjdjdj12345 has been editing Draft:Kristina Vramencalieva, is not the person who created the article, and wants to know if can submit it? Or does that have to be the article creator? David notMD (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It appears that another user User:Jjanhone is being paid to edit the same article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Djdjdjdj12345, Jjanhone, David notMD, and Theroadislong: Any autoconfirmed user may at any time move any draft from draft space top the main article space, if s/he thinks in good faith that the draft meets the standards for an article, particularly the notability standards. The editor who does the move need not be the editor who created the draft, nor then one who has made the most edits to it. However, when multiple editors are working actively on the same draft, as seems to be the case for Draft:Kristina Vramencalieva, it is better practice and more courteous to obtain consensus for such a move before making it. In this case some copy-editing is needed, in my view, and additional cited sources would be desirable. There may also be a problem with the neutrality of the text. By the way, when a draft is not part of the WP:AFC project, I think it is better not to use AfC-style comments, but instead t0o post on the draft talk page, just as for an article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC) @David notMD and Theroadislong: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How to move a draft to a real article

Hello. So recently (Like hours ago), the first "Virtual Fire drills" took place. I made draft for Virtual Fire Drills as the topic will be an article just because of it being a new COVID thing some schools are doing in America. I currently have the draft submitted, however, because it is so new (hours ago; new), There isn't much information on them. I know the topic will get more information soon, as it just started today. I am a new account, so I couldn't directly make the article page. Can someone either approve the draft (As it will be edited so much more once more information comes out about it) or move it from the draft state to the main article state? {This is also mentioned on Portal:Current events, just no direct article for it yet} Thanks in advance for help. CurrentWeather (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC) CurrentWeather (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

CurrentWeather, welcome to Wikipedia and the teahouse! Per other newer editors, you should allow for the review to take place first in order to receive feedback. We don't give priority to specific articles, and they're usually reviewed randomly. FYI, this article will definitely need some expansion and signs that it passes WP:GNG. Ed talk! 18:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm new here. How do I get an article reviewed?

Hey, I am trying to get an article published about what I see to be a notable and novel political movement. I think that that am doing everything correctly but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't anything else that I am supposed to do to get it published.

The movement says that it is trying to unite the USA by providing a third ticket that unites both the left and right side of our politics. I think it is a notable and novel movement and has already gotten some media attention. I think having an article on it will be an important contribution to wikipedia. Can someone help me get it reviewed for publication? Is there anything else I have to do?

Here is my draft: [[Draft::Articles_of_Unity]] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Articles_of_Unity

Thanks! Stagename2020 (talk) 20:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Stagename2020: Your article is in the queue for review, which is more like a blob than a line. It will reviewed when a volunteer gets around to reviewing it--please be patient! Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @Stagename2020: Since you think YATP (yet another third party) is "notable and novel", I have to assume there is a reasonable chance you are attempting promotion, and have a COI, possibly paid. Please read those links, especially the last one, and make any necessary declarations required by our terms of service. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Why do you accept that one of your contributors steals stuff from my blog?

 Thesoccerdagger (talk) 22:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Can you supply more details of what’s happened? Neiltonks (talk) 22:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Neiltonks, might have something to do with Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1044#Thesoccerdagger,_Thecnsl,_Shotgun_pete,_plagiarism,_harassment,_and_aspersions Ed talk! 22:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The op has very few edits. There is this and this blanking of large sections of the Hector Cribioli (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) article. There is also Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1044#Thesoccerdagger, Thecnsl, Shotgun pete, plagiarism, harassment, and aspersions and User talk:Jackmcbarn#Thesoccerdagger and Shotgun Pete. MarnetteD|Talk 23:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

User initially claimed to be writing about friend's blog thecnsl.com [3] but now claims to actually be the creator of the blog [4] [5] [6] who was soft blocked as user:Thecnsl. So, either sharing the account or not giving us the full story upfront. Meters (talk) 23:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you now you see what kind of unreasonable individual this is. He is constantly throwing false accusations and libel about me and wikipedia members. Every single example he has presented I have provided a defense about my actions. At least two editors have come to the conclusion that I have done nothing wrong. Just observe his actions he is a liar and a hypocrite. He has not provided one defense of his actions about getting "inspiration" from wikipedia to write his blog posts. All I did was write several basic (year, team name, league, achievement) English wiki articles with reliable secondary sources. The cnsl.com operator believes he has a monopoly on NSL/CNSL content? Does he own the copyright to the newspaper articles? First of all no one on wikipedia is forcing that site to close down. So the operator is exaggerating and lying. Second the operator is a hypocrite because he hasn't explained why is it permissible for his website to contain player articles (Robin Megraw, José Testas, Corcel Blair, Attilio Galassini, etc) on older existing wiki articles, but when an editor from wikipedia wants to include basic NSL/CNSL info from a reliable secondary source in order to create a new article that is a problem. For the second time Soccerdagger hasn't responded to the question about player Olinto Sampaio Rubini? They both claim that the cnsl.com website is purely for fun so why the outrage? No editor from wikipedia is getting publicly recognized or paid for their contributions! None of their articles provide specific reliable sources and you have no copyright to the newspaper articles or league info. No to mention there are numerous player articles on the cnsl.com website with no wikipedia articles. To me it sounds like the operator is competing with wikipedia over NSL/CNSL content and wishes to make some profit off this stuff. If it's all for fun as he claims then there is no issue. He refuses to answer the questions or come to some reasonable conclusion and is constantly throwing accusations left and right. Now he using another wikipedia account which he claimed original was his friend. Can this conversion finally come to a conclusion as this operator doesn't want to be civil or reasonable? All he is going to do is throwing accusations, exaggerations, provide no defense or counter defense and make disruptive edits. If he truly does have an argument then he doesn't need to constantly use libel and ad hominems just provide a reasonable argument or defense. Shotgun pete (talk) 8:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Revolution Without Ammunition

Hello, I tried to publish the following article which is my new political ideology. It was rejected. I cited the only source which I used. Please kindly advise. Thank you!

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Revolution Without Ammunition The political ideology of Revolution without Ammunition was developed by Frederick Omoyoma Odorige, a Nigerian Military Scientist, Activist and Evangelist. He is originally from Urhuoka, Abraka in Delta State of Nigeria. The concept evolved in 2017 during his doctoral program at the National University of Public Service Hungary when he researched on Just Wars and Bad Peace: Nigerian Peace Keeping and Conflict Resolution since 1960. He connected his research with the political upheaval in Nigeria and how to involve the people's voices in order to enthrone a citizen-owned government. Revolution in this concept, is used to connote intense nonviolent protest to change all aspects of poor governance. The theory is based on the understanding that there is an imperative need to have a peaceful revolution of the people and the system whenever the government fails on its campaign promises - social contract - or when the suffering of the people becomes devastating and hopelessly linger without succor. The point where aspirations and expectations dangerously degenerate into artificial poverty and insecurity thereby endangering the lives and properties of the people should be the point to call for a protest revolution in order to collectively fight towards achieving stability and progress. The long silence of the people aids continuing bad governance. It is a national danger when the commonwealth of a people is cornered by a few. Whenever the rights and privileges of citizens are taken away by government, it gives birth to psychological warfare and trauma. Whenever violence is used as a method to provoke positive change, it could lead to violent conflicts where innocent and vulnerable ones may suffer as casualties. In such a situation, winning the peace become as destructive and complicated as the conflict itself. Peaceful and strategic revolutions must be executed without any form of violence or use of any form of lethal ammunition which usually end up killing more of the oppressed while the oppressors are secured by security agencies from the resources of the oppressed. Moreover, it is easier for the oppressed to escape from the country because they have looted resources at their disposals. Odorige opined that such revolution protests are difficult to organize in a diverse society. For it to succeed, all tribes, religion, region and political parties must put aside their differences and cooperate towards nation building for the common good of all. Cooperation is the most viable way of sustaining and promoting national patriotism for collective growth and equity. When the people put aside their differences against rulers, the possibility for change become easily achievable. Though the theory of Revolution Without Ammunition is hinged on Nigeria as a case study, it could also be applied to the politics of other countries experiencing a widening gap between the government and the people. Unarmed peaceful protesters have been killed by security agencies during the military and civilian government. Therefore, it is a call for citizens to put aside their differences in tribe, religion, region or political party affiliations and speak with one voice on a common platform. If there were national heroes who put aside their differences to fight colonialists for independence, new heroes must also emerge to fight the few neocolonialists who siphon the commonwealth of millions of her suffering citizens. In order for such a revolution to succeed, regular enlightenment programs must be implemented for the people to demystify, expose and drastically weaken the strategies of self-seeking politicians so that the unenlightened ones could be more conscious and emboldened to stand up for the protection of their rights. Public enlightenment is very vital in Nigeria because the many years of military rule and the use of security agencies by democratic governments to suppress peaceful protests has instilled so much fear into the people. Such actions bordering on awareness raising shall come about through various confidence building mechanism that boldly strengthen the citizens beyond defeat. This consciousness metamorphoses into rejecting mediocrity. The theoretical goals of the concept are to build citizen-owned governments where those in position of authority are constantly reminded of their roles as public servants instead of allowing them to impose themselves on the people as public masters. Odorige believes that the constant enlightenment through the social media in various languages and the use of town criers in remote villages could succeed in restoring the courage, confidence and rights of the people without necessarily destroying or burning the properties belonging to the government and private individuals. Constant writing, petitions, public speaking, workshops, conferences and boldly exposing the failures of government are ingredients of revolution without ammunition. One of the most vital elements of the concept when elaborate negotiations fail, is the final application of civil disobedience or open protest. In this case, citizens must stay at home and suspend all social, economic and political activities until their needs are met. This has become necessary because there is a wide gap between the people and those in government because representatives of the people mostly reside in the state and federal capital cities. They hardly interact with the people to understand their problems. Poverty could be an impediment to civil disobedience. Oppressive governments usually weaponize poverty as a tool against the people so that they do not have the courage to stay at home for fear of hunger. The long suffering of the people in the midst of huge natural resources is usually as a result of their long silence when politicians amass wealth for themselves and fail to keep their campaign promises. The people must not watch as politicians loot their collective resources which leave the people impoverished and hugely unsecured. A peaceful revolution is imperative in a country like Nigeria where federal legislators earn the highest in the world; borrow to entirely fund national budgets while millions of children continue to stay out of school within a society that lack basic infrastructures. It is even worse that despite her enviable natural resources, it has become the global capital of the world. A repressive situation such as this was made possible because politicians impose their selfish agenda and flagrantly disrespect the rule of law. Whenever such a revolution is delayed, future generations are bound to suffer and pay debts they know nothing about. In order to avoid this, it is expedient that the people form a common front where they could forcefully but peacefully change government policies that are inimical to progress, security and welfare. The people must be alert enough to sense early warning signals whenever a government is steadily derailing. Every strategy that is wrongfully raised by failed politicians must be quickly uprooted by the people through the instrumentality of networking, voice, protests, petition, persistence and prayers. The closing of work places, markets, schools, banks, transportation, and all forms of supplies and ceremonies must be sustainable and uniform across the country. In so doing, all economic, social and political meetings are suspended for a period of time until the government listen to the demands of the citizens. This become necessary especially when those in government consciously create a gap where the expectations of the people are neglected. The steady process of confidence building which lead to Revolution without ammunition must conclude with the goal of forcing government to do what is necessary within the ambit of the law and within a given time frame. The challenges of this concept are hinged on the fact that the people mostly work for daily survival. When poverty is used as a weapon, the people find it difficult to stay at home for too long. In that situation, the people must quickly flood the streets as a way of shortening the period of staying at home. A flood of human heads overcomes the power of the gun. The fear of violent repression by security agencies often deter citizens from protesting. The irony of the repression by security agencies is that the police and soldiers are also part of the suffering masses. Security chiefs usually receive financial benefits to keep bad governments in office. In that situation, the people must flood the streets in large numbers that could overwhelm that of the security agents. Before then, the enlightenment campaign must be extended to the security agencies in order to weaken their resistance against the revolution. Revolution in this contest is an orchestrated protest of citizens to revolutionize a decaying system. It is the positive action of the people where their numbers are large and their demands are well articulated from a period of time to a time when the demands must be met. This concept albeit relate to the teaching of Sun Tzu the classical Chinese Military strategist who posits that 'To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting'.1<ref>Art Of War https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sun-tzu/works/art-of-war/ch03.htm<ref> There must come a time in the life of a people when real change does not come only from the promises of politicians but from the determination and strong will of the people. The point must be reached where the people do not seek a leader to be at the forefront of the revolution because everyone will automatically become a leader towards achieving a common goal. On the day of freedom the majority must boldly stand up and say NO to vote buying; NO to insecurity; No to disenfranchisement; No to corruption; No to rigging; No to bogus salaries for state, federal legislators and the executives; No to the murderous herdsmen; No to political godfathers; No to Boko haram and their sponsors; No to unsteady electricity supply; No to inadequate health care facilities; No to politicians who travel abroad for health care while our people die at home; No to delay in the payment of salaries and pensions; No to budget padding; No to injustice and the detention of Nigerians without trial; No to those that continue to undermine the voices and rights of citizens; No to recycled leaders; No to indiscriminate allocation of oil blocs; No to marginalization and the continuing environmental degradation in Niger Delta and other regions; No to inflated and abandoned projects; No to selective anti-corruption fight; No to V.I.P. treatment to some persons in prison; No to life pension for former Governors and former Presidents; No to some religious leaders that have lied and led us astray; No to state electoral commissions inaugurated and manipulated by Governors; No to disenfranchisement; No to whatever has held us down as a people. We stand up to reclaim and redistribute our commonwealth.

—Fodorige (talk) 23:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fodorige Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to write about things that we create one day or our own personal theories or thoughts. This is an encyclopedia, where in order to merit an article a subject must receive significant coverage in multiple published independent reliable sources, showing how the subject meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Your ideology needs to be noticed and written about by others in order to merit a Wikipedia article, and you shouldn't be the one to write any article about it, as you have a conflict of interest as the originator of this ideology. If you just want to tell the world about it, you should use a personal blog or social media. 331dot (talk) 00:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there a consensus here?

This RfC has been going on for 9 days, and it followed a discussion that went on for 12 days. Many editors have commented and many edits to the disputed part were made. Just when it seemed we can see a consensus at the end, I was informed that there is no consensus there.

I have three questions:

• Is there a consensus there?
• (if yes) How can the consensus be apparent beyond doubt?
• (if no) How can consensus be achieved here?

Thanks. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 01:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aditya Kabir: Have you looked at WP:RFC, which links to the various noticeboards, addresses procedural issues, etc.? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I did. This particular RfC is quite muddled already (I happen to be partly responsible for that).

But there was a healthy discussion that followed, where it looked like it had a consensus. Now that is has been explicitly posted that there is no consensus, I can assume only two things - there really was no consensus, or this was a denial of consensus. If the former is true then we need to solicit some mechanism to achieve a consensus. If the latter is true then we need have a mechanism to make the consensus undeniable.

(added) As an involved participant, I am not supposed to close the RfC. But without a formal closer this dispute can't be taken to mediation. It would be even better if we can establish the existence of a consensus already. 21 days of discussion is a bit too long. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Aditya Kabir I don't see how anyone can plausibly describe the pre-rfc discussion as having achieved consensus. I don't really think the RfC has yet achieved consensus either, but a closer might possibly call it as a "rough consensus". You could post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure askign for a formal close by an admin or another experienced editor who is not involved. But wehat is the rush? note that WP:RFC says in the "duration" section: An RfC should last until enough comment has been received that consensus is reached, or until it is apparent it won't be. There is no required minimum or maximum duration; however, Legobot assumes an RfC has been forgotten and automatically ends it (removes the rfc template) 30 days after it begins, to avoid a buildup of stale discussions cluttering the lists and wasting commenters' time. This is way short of 30 days old. Yes it can be closed if consensus has been reached, but if it hasn't more discussion can be allowed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 06:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I found out the 30 day stipulation at ANB too. That's cool. BTW, FYI, IMHO, the consensus is not in the previous discussions, it's in the solutions parts of the RfC (sorry for the acronyms, couldn't resist the chance to type a series of CAPs). Y Let me pour you a cup of darjeeling as a token of my regards. This the first nasty disupte I have come across in my 14 years of service here. A bit mystified and vexed by the labyrinth of process. Back in the earlier days it was more about building the encyclopedia and most guidelines were about content. Now, I guess, maintaining the encyclopedia is more of the task and hence the prevelance of community guidelines. One can defintely learn to live with it. Y Another cup? I'll pour one too. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Creating a link

Yesterday I added a sentence to a page and also created a link, but was unsuccessful and now the link is sitting down at the bottom of the page. Could someone please fix it? Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Breedlove 72.216.147.54 (talk) 01:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• Done :D HeartGlow ^(talk) 03:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey - you're pretty good with this stuff. Thanks for your help.

Request for guidance

Hello. I have been editing Draft:David J. Zimmerman and see that the draft is sorted as "C-class". Being a new editor, I'm not clear on how to proceed going forward with this draft in order to improve its chances of being approved as an article. Is it possible to get specific guidance, or is it simply a matter of waiting until a reviewer has an opportunity to review it? Thanks.VictorMooney (talk) 03:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC) VictorMooney (talk) 03:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi VictorMooney. It looks like Draft:David J. Zimmerman is still awaiting an WP:AFC review. I'm not sure what you mean by "Class-C", since that's an assessment that usually only applied to articles, not drafts. You can continue improving the draft even though you submitted it for review. If it turns out that the draft is reviewed and declined, the AfC reviewer who looked it over should leave a comment explaining why and suggesting things that need to be improved.

I'm not an AfC reviewer, but one thing I noticed is that the draft seems a bit "bottom-heavy". What I mean is that there seems to be an excessive number of awards and exhibitions listed (almost as if you were trying to list them all like you would on a CV) when compared to actual textual content about Zimmrman himself. I'm sure that every award an artist receives or every exhbition they hold has a special meaning to the artist, but it's not clear if it has the same relevance to a typical Wikipedia reader. So, it might be better to trim out those sections to only those things which are considered to be truly major awards (possibly those which have or could have Wikipedia articles written about them) and those exhibitions which are truly major ones (like something held a well-known galleries/venues that received lots of critical coverage, perhaps venues which might have Wikipedia articles written about them). One exhbition (One Voice; Portraits from the Tibetan Diaspora) is listed eleven times; for sure, it was held at a different venue each time, but do all eleven need to be listed. The same thing could be said for some of the other entires as well.

What's most likely going to determine whether the AfC reviewer feels Zimmerman meets WP:NARTIST is what's written in the "Life and work" section of the article; so, that's what you want the reviewer to be focusing on. Sometimes adding too many lists of things later on in the might seem like a good thing because "more just has to be better", but it can sometimes be seen as clutter and even a bit of WP:BOMBARD when each entry is being cited. Just is just my general opinion; if you want some more specific advice or suggestions, you can try asking for feedback at WT:VA, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Photography or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment since that's where you're likely to come across editors who are experienced in writing these types of biography articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps you could note in the text that "One Voice" has been featured in 11 exhibitions, and then only note the most prestigious under exhibitions. Same for "Deserts", etc. etc. Same sort of thought process for Awards. Quite often, less is more! Best of luck, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, just saw that MJ made some of the same observations- points....two people now, saying the same thing...Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

VictorMooney, the draft is listed as C-class near the foot of Wikipedia:AfC sorting/Culture/Visual arts and perhaps elsewhere. I think that this means "SDZeroBot guesstimates that if the subject is notable and the sourcing good, then the bulk of this article would likely put it in C class." (SD0001 may wish to correct me.) Anyway, "C" does not mean "close to failure" or anything like it. ¶ I'm puzzled by some of Timtrent's comments: (i) "a list of his works is interesting, but almost always irrelevant." This seems to sugges that there's a list of his works. I don't notice any. (ii) "Does (eg) Worldcat hold a directory of his works?" I don't even know what this means. If "Does Worldcat show that any academic or other major library holds a directory of his works?" then surely not, because libraries don't hold directories of anyone's works -- unless these are published books, but published directories of photographers' works are vanishingly rare. (They might exist for 19th-century photographers. As for 20th-century photographers, I can't think of any photographer who has one: not Kertész, not Cartier-Bresson, not Frank.) (iii) "References to self saved pdfs are useless." Those hosted at squarespace.com? I count a total of one (1) of these for the entire article. (A quick glance may suggest that there are also a few others, but these were commented out before the draft was declined.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hoary, I guess one could quibble and be declined a lot, or one could make the improvements and be accepted. There ought to be no rating on the talk page. Fiddle Faddle 08:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Timtrent, perhaps the writer of the draft should simply knuckle down and delete the list that isn't there, provide info from Worldcat that Worldcat couldn't have for anybody, and remove references that don't exist to self-saved PDFs. The rating isn't on the talk page; it's on Wikipedia:AfC sorting/Culture/Visual arts. (If I've misunderstood something, please correct me.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

   Thank you all for the comments. The feedback is very helpful. VictorMooney (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello everybody, There is a big problem out there

So, I can't edit lots of page as i am not a confirmed users. But I've been here for nearly a year and done more than 10 edits. This is the issue here, I should be the confirmed users instead of this. Also, I have obviously done 100+ edits to the wiki, and created some useful pages... Help to resolve my issue, ok. Hypersonic man11^Talk Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hypersonic man 11. Can you give an example of one of the pages you're unable to edit? It could be that the page has been protected for some reason which means there might be lots of editors unable to edit it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I just found that there is a glitch, and also Egyptian Air Force is the page, nvm. But still, thanks,. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hypersonic man 11: Egyptian Air Force was semi-protected due to "Addition of unsourced or poorly sourced content". However, with 300+ edits in 10 months, you are auto-confirmed and should have been able to edit it, so I don't know what "glitch" you are referring to (unless it was just that you were not logged-in when you tried). In any case, I see that you have been able to edit the page successfully. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Verifiable references and links

Hi there, I am trying to edit an existing page of a musician (Gayathri Girish). It is a biographic page. I need some help on: 1. identifying if some of my reference sources are acceptable for publication 2. Since the subject is a musician, much of her content appears on youtube and on sites like appleitunes, saavn etc. Is it okay for me to add these as references in the discography section? I find that I am unable to make out where this stops being a reference point and becomes an advertisement. I have noticed links to itunes on some other musician pages, so I am hopeful that this is acceptable. Thanks so much for your time Pratima.lakshmanan (talk) 06:34, 21 August 2020 (UTC) Pratima.lakshmanan (talk) 06:34, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pratima.lakshmanan: references to youtube and other user-generated sites are sometimes acceptable and sometimes they aren't. It mainly depends on the uploading party. If the uploading party is the subject of the article, it's not acceptable due to WP:SELFPUB and WP:PRIMARY in most cases. If it's not the subject, but another party with some editorial control that would meet WP:RS then it can be acceptable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt -Thanks for your response on the youtube type links. That is helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratima.lakshmanan (talk • contribs) 10:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Not having a article

Why doesn't YouTuber Jaiden animations have a Wikipedia page? joel —Other account was deleted (talk) 07:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Other account was deleted, welcome to the Teahouse. Jaiden Animations once have an article, but is deleted several times on 25 October 2019, 19 June 2019, 28 August 2018, 3 April 2018, 24 March 2018, and 28 September 2017. There is still an archive discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaiden Animations. Basically, he receives little to no independent reliable and reputable coverage by news, magazines, books, etc. to actually have him have an article. See WP:CCS. There is a draft on him right now, see Draft:Jaiden Animations. Before you edit it, kindly see WP:BLP, WP:GNG, WP:YFA. WP:CCS, and other relevant guidelines. Articles need reference sources which are independent, reliable, and reputable enough to cite the claims. Not all YouTubers that have tons of subscribers and views is actually notable in an encyclopedia means, bear that in mind. Let me know if you need to ask anything again. Thanks, from GeraldWL ✉ 07:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with Tradional Chinese Medicine page

Can I please have some help to improve the Tradional Chinese Medicine page. I am new to Wikipedia. I feel that the page needs some Ballance to put it nicely. I think it has a bit of a narrative happening Shenqijing (talk) 09:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Shenqijing Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there are specific changes you want to see, please propose them on the article talk page. Please understand that every Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources state. This includes giving weight to viewpoints as reliable sources report them; Wikipedia does not provide equal time or equal space to all points of view. See WP:FRINGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Like you were told at Talk:Traditional_Chinese_medicine#Critiques, If you are proposing a change to the article, please specify what it is and what sources you are citing to backup that change.. Do that at that talkpage, that's how WP works. Try starting small, say with something you want to improve in the Regulations section, and see how that goes. WP:MEDRS may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page blanking

Is Blanking a talk page considered personal attack? 118.137.248.125 (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know the entire context of your question, but it's probably not a "personal attack" like calling someone a name. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, IP editor. That sounds more like vandalism if another person does it. You could leave them a warning and escalate, if it happens again. The only person who should be blanking a talkpage is the user themselves (or possibly an admin if the talk page has been used solely by that user for inappropriate purposes). Nick Moyes (talk) 09:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Blanking talkpages that are not yours will probably be seen as at least WP:DISRUPTIVE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: Having asked this question here, the IP editor then immediately blanked article content from the page about Spanish Wikipedia. I have therefore increased their warning notice as it was clearly intentional, and such vandalism will not be tolerated. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I get it now. This IP editor has been disruptive across other Wikipedia Projects (see here for their global contributions), and so has come here. Since the start of their editing activities a few hours ago, they've since been blocked on mediawiki.org; meta.wikimedia.org and id.wikipedia.org. If I see one further bad faith edit on en-wiki from them I will definitely be immediately blocking them here too. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Professional translator - and newbie editor on EN and NO Wikipedia - was blocked from publishing an English version of a Norwegian article - please advise and/or help with publishing

Howdy! I translated the Norwegian article https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Magnusson but was blocked when I attempted to publish the English translation. The reason given was my status as an "inexperienced" new editor on English Wikipedia. In truth, I am a newbie Wiki editor in general. My first article in Norwegian was the article about Oscar Magnusson. I am proud to say that the article is getting a decent number of views. It is also cool to see that other Wiki editors are helping out by adding supplemental info and references.

The English translation of the Norwegian article is identical to the original content, and it would be great to get some assistance with getting it published.

After my attempt to publish the English translation was blocked, I decided to use the option of publishing the English version as a DRAFT. I'm hoping that this means that it will be easy to get help with publishing it later on.

Please contact me if you are an experienced English Wiki editor who can help publish the English version or tell me how to obtain such assistance. EngelskOversetter (talk) 10:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

EngelskOversetter, are you blocked in the NO or EN Wikipedia? I tried looking at your talkpage in the NO Wikipedia, and found no evidence of you being blocked. If its true that you were blocked solely for translating and being a newbie, that is a discussion you can bring up at the NO Wikipedia. This is the English Wikipedia, and policies may differ here and there. GeraldWL ✉ 10:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused here, Engelsk. Is it here or there? I found no evidence of you being blocked. GeraldWL ✉ 10:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Working on Draft:Oscar Magnusson is the right way to go. You have never been blocked on en-wiki, nor would you be simply for moving a translation into main article space too soon. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Rather than being blocked, he is probably referring to being prevented from creating an article directly in mainspace. David Biddulph (talk) 10:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

EngelskOversetter, Hello! I think you mean that you can not yet create an article directly because WP:AUTOCONFIRM. I see you created Draft:Oscar Magnusson (wow, no other Oscar Magnusson in en-WP?). It needs more/better sources (see WP:GNG), otherwise it will probably not be accepted. You can try to find interested editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Hello back! Firstly, thanks to you and the others who have provided feedback to my inquiry. The blocking occurred when I attempted to publish my completed English translation, which by the way, includes a translation of the descriptive text in the original references. All of the original references are relevant to the English version of the article on Magnusson. Oddly, these complete references were omitted when I opted to publish a draft version. It was not my intention to publish an English version without references. It seems quite unfair and unfortunate that the process of publishing a basic English translation of an article in Norwegian must be made so complicated. Furthermore, my understanding is that it was the English Wikipedia rules that prevented me from publishing an English translation, i.e. not the Norwegian Wikipedia. This should be more clearly stated in the notice of denial. In conclusion, the English translation remains unpublished despite the fact that it contains all the original references. EngelskOversetter (talk) 11:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Oscar Magnusson/Oscar Magnusson

EngelskOversetter No it doesn't. Your draft has two refs, books by the subject. The no-WP article has several more. Anyway, what is close to demanded on en-WP are WP:Inline citations throughout the text, and your draft has none. The no-WP article has a few, but most of the text has none. Put the references you have in the draft-text where they belong. WP:TUTORIAL describes how to insert references, I mostly use RefToolbar myself. When you think your draft is ready, use the blue submit-button on the draftpage.

About stuff being complicated (they can be, WP takes time to learn), remember that the different language WP:s "rule themselves". An article existing on no-WP does not mean it should exist on en-WP, or vice versa. It's possible that en-WP has generally stricter "rules" than many other WP:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@EngelskOversetter: To put it slightly differently, creating a new article on enwiki is subject to the same standards regardless of whether it is a translation of work from another wiki or a totally new original creation "from scratch". It has to pass notability guidelines, have inline citations for any statements that are not common knowledge or disputable, comply with our Manual of Style, etc. Each Wikimedia Foundation project (individual language Wikipedias, Wikisource, Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikidata, etc.) is a separate project, with independent policies, procedures, and administrators.

Please note that blocking has a specific meaning here: an administrative action used to prevent a user from editing the project, usually after bad behavior. This has not happened to you, nor should it. That was the source of some of the mis-understanding above. Currently, your draft has not even been submitted for review – it simply has received some useful comment on its current state from experienced editors here regarding issues that would keep it from being approved. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Making edits to page/article of employer company/brand

Hi Wikipedia Teahouse, Appreciate this platform here and its supportive purpose. What is the best way to make edits/updates to the Wikipedia article for a company/brand ones works for? It should not only more current, but factually accurate. The edits have sources/citations for added legitimacy. Orod.REC (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Orod.REC, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to update a statistic or data, make sure to back it up with reliable source(s). If you want to edit a company on an info, make sure to back it up with source(s) too. GeraldWL ✉ 10:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

For a company/brand ones works for, follow the directions at WP:COI. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Orod.REC: and please make sure that you don't violate the terms of use. WP:PAID has more on this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:PAID is high priority. As an employee, you are required to declare that on your User page. Secondly, as an employee, you are enjoined from editing the article directly. Instead, you are to propose specific changes on the article's Talk page - with appropriate references - so that a non-affiliated editor can review and decide to incorporate or not. David notMD (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

in realstate If one doesnt declose to the bank that they are selling a property, wouldnt that person sell the property eligally? and without an assessment couldnt I reverse the sale of property?

 Chuckified (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

This doesn't appear to be related to Wikipedia. We are only able to answer questions regarding Wikipedia and cannot give legal adivice. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Should this page be deleted?

Hello. I am new to Wikipedia and came across this page Nicholas P. Clark where some of the information seemed a bit off. I tried fixing it as best as I could and looked for additional references, but could not find much. Of the four remaining references, two are clearly associated to the subject of the article, one is from a Thrive Global (which I understand is blacklisted here), and one seems to be a trivial mention. Khwabeeda (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Khwabeeda, agreed. I'll check the sources; if it is off as you said, I'll probably have it tagged. GeraldWL ✉ 16:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Khwabeeda and welcome to the Teahouse. Our notability criteria for cycling sports people can be found here. I'm not too familiar with all the racing terms involved (such as UCI World Tours), but at first glance he looks like he might meet them - provided his participation in major events is supported with reliable sources to confirm them. Hope this little contribution helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thanks for the welcome! I looked for references, but couldn't find any reliable ones. Shouldn't the page be moved to draft space until additional references are found and the page is fixed? ----

Article with incorrect information

Hi. Thank you very much for inviting me to the Teahouse. What do you do if you know an article is incorrect and can prove it? The article in question is KHive. Fastred Tiller (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:KHive is the place for discussion of that article. You need to support any suggested changes with references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Tooltips

I have been having trouble with tooltips navigation, since I accidentally disabled the click motion for it on User:Hartma9616 (my user page), and I was wondering how it worked. Thank you, Hartma9616 (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hartma9616, what do you mean? That you disabled tooltips altogether? (By which I assume you mean navigation popups) — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, It has somehow disabled and I can't revert it. Hartma9616 (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I have difficulties putting up an article on Wikipedia

I have difficulties putting up an article on Wikipedia Prof. Fiofio (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC) The article in question is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ridwan_K.D._Osman.jpeg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof. Fiofio (talk • contribs) 19:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Prof. Fiofio: The link you posted is to an image, which was uploaded with what appears to be an attempt at posting an article in the image comments. I also see a draft you started Draft:Ambassador Ray Quarcoo which is unsourced and non-encyclopedic, and will not be accepted in its current format. Please read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:56, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Finding an uninvolved RfC closer

Is there a recommended procedure for finding someone to close an RfC, instead of trying editors one by one until you find someone?  --Lambiam 20:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Lambiam, try WP:RFCLOSE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit the title of an Article

Draft:Young Kim) I created a new Article, called it- Young Kim, and submitted it for review. However, I would like to change its Title by adding a description, in that there is already an Article under the same name. While I have the first sentence distinguishing among various Young Kims on Wikipedia, I would like to add a descriptor. How do I do that? Under Edit or Edit Source, I cannot get to the Title. Thank you, Jane Plutoplato (talk) 20:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Plutoplato Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since we are talking about a draft, I would just leave a note for reviewers about the title. When and if it is accepted, the reviewer will handle the renaming. For regular articles, changing the title is done with a page move. 331dot (talk) 20:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help with reviewing my Wiki Draft

Hi everyone! I was was submitting a Wikipedia entry for Elizabeth Marguiles who's a known TV personality on Bravo TV - also a known art collector / heiress and daughter of Martin Margulies of the Margulies Private Collection Miami, which has its own Wiki page. Would love to for feedback on the revised draft and how I can have it improved before resubmitting. I've worked through to include more secondary sources as well of some major profiles on her in art world publications. Thank you so much! Giakuan (talk) 20:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC) Giakuan (talk) 20:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Giakuan! One thing you need to do is to get the external links like "Galerie Magazine" in the lead out of the text of the article, see WP:EL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång! Thank you that's so helpful, I'll remove that now. any other edits or feedback welcome as well, newer to this. Giakuan (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)