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Education v. School

Thanks for this. Do you know the guidelines over when to use which? I usually stay far from schools, but in case I end up nominating another, would love to know. Thanks StarM 03:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: my understanding is that, if it's a school, we use both. 'Education' is more broad so will include things that don't fit in 'schools' but almost every school is within the scope of 'education'. That's just my view, though. Spiderone 09:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Spiderone. That's very helpful and makes sense in case interested editors are following only one of the two. StarM 01:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014–15 FC Winterthur season

Hallo, you participated in this discussion. Therefore, I would take the liberty to ask you if you would like to review 2014–15 FC Winterthur season again. In the meantime, I have added texts and citations. Perhaps you would like to add a new comment, and perhaps with a couple of suggestions, to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014–15 FC Winterthur season discussion page. Your opinion would be appreciated. Thank you very much for your participation and please feel free to delete this message from your page, if you so wish. Thanks again and kindest greetings from Switzerland --Huligan0 (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar

I'm sure you never expected to get a barnstar from me but you deserve one. We haven't always agreed and we still may not agree on some things but our brief conversations and exchanges has meant a lot to me, personally. Thank you for being kind and thoughtful during those times. I appreciate your contributions here on Wikipedia and hope you continue. I love the colors that make you who you are. I am grateful to have seen them. Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: many thanks for that! I hope that you are doing well. Spiderone 20:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

about Ravitoto

I added references for draft:Ravitoto. So Is it possible to publish this article now ? Kampots (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Draft te is

Miért draftoltad tetű pók, te rovar fagyott tosz, te bojler fejű pikszeles fallosz. Jageroi (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Please refrain from abuse. Your article was sent to draft because it lacked appropriate sourcing to demonstrate notability. See WP:DRAFT and WP:N. Spiderone 20:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that's um...I see they were blocked indefinitely, probably a good thing. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 18:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: it was a real shame to see that behaviour to be honest. I get into a lot of disagreements here but this is the first time that I've actually had verbal abuse in my almost 14 years of editing Spiderone 21:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Verbal abuse should never be allowed, whether you agree with what is being said or not. No one here knows what I have went through or do go through in life every day. Likewise, I don't know what you have went through or do go through in life every day. What I do know is what I see here. People who can't see past the end of their own noses and at least try to project some empathy on others are a waste of my time and energy and I'd rather not deal with them. It's part of the reason why I have been close to leaving for the past few weeks. Wikipedia can be frustrating as hell. But who wins in that scenario? No one. So I suit up and buckle the chin strap down tighter and fight on. It is an absolute shame, as you have stated. Reality or not, targeted attacks upon others by keyboard warriors illicit a visceral response from me, generally. I really can't stand giant egos with unrealistic perceptions of their own grandeur. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

It's okay to be angry. It's okay to have strong opinions. It's okay to express strong opinions in an angry way. It's not okay to go out of one's way to be abusive. I will probably still be editing Wikipedia in 50 years' time but what I'm beginning to realise is that no user is above the law here. No one is bigger than the project itself. Those that behave in such a way tend to find themselves ejected sooner rather than later. Spiderone 22:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Getting angry and having strong opinions about anything here is really pointless though. Anything you write can be edited out with the click of the button and any "rule" can be manipulated to make it happen. To say no user is above the "law" is denying the fact that the "law" was created by flawed humans with an opinion which means an immediate conflict of interest with other humans who see things differently. Those who see things differently either have to conform to the "law" or go somewhere else or just develop an "I don't care" attitude and realize that what they write will probably be removed at some point but it was fun while it lasted. Wikipedia is not about being neutral. It is just as biased, just as discriminatory and just as exclusive as society. Wikipedia is neutral on sources it considers reliable. The sources themselves can be biased as hell. Doesn't matter. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 15:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Well this is shameful. This user is shame for me, and i were suspected by Spiderone, I am a suckpuppet, because my name is containing jageroi, which means I am a hero in russian. Can anyone help me to change my name Tepeş român?

Jageroi român (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Maged Essam page

I do not promote a person or make this information for a real person and it is documented by reliable sources by Wikipedia. For you, please cancel the quick deletion and return the page Maged3sam (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI Spiderone 20:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Would you consider helping out?

Hey, what do you think of NPP? Having you considered applying for the right and helping us out? Celestina007 (talk) 19:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: thank you for the suggestion, it's something I've been thinking about actually! I've applied now. Spiderone 22:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the family. Celestina007 (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Keyvan Ansari

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Are you a sockpuppet?

Dear Spiderone, The name Jageroi român was created, because я герой means I am a hero in russian, and first i want to use this name, but it was reserved by Jageroi, so because I am romanian, I added the român adjectiv. I mostly editing romanian theme pages. Please do not suspect me with irreal things, such us I am a sockpuppet, but I can also ask you, are you the sockpuppet of Spider? Jageroi român Jageroi român (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I can confirm that Spiderone is not a sockpuppet. Thank you. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 01:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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​I have revoked this per your multiple inappropriate draftifications, cut/paste moves, and CSDs. When a page is moved back to mainspace after a NPR draftification, it is inappropriate to move it back. If deletion is necessary, Wikipedia:Deletion process should be followed. You should never cut and paste the article back to the draft or redirect an article to a draft and then nominate it for speedy deletion under R2. The page history is legally required for attribution to comply with the license. Three cases that I just encountered of you doing all three of these are Jakkajan Wanwisa, Kat Rattikarn, and Praewa Patcharee. — JJMC89 (T·C) 09:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

JJMC89 thanks for clarifying. Is there any likelihood of me being able to regain the right later down the line? Also, in the case of Kat Rattikarn, where the only source is a broken link to their personal Facebook page, are such articles eligible for BLPPROD? Spiderone 09:28, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I suggest that you give it a few months before applying at PERM. In the meantime, please review WP:DRAFTIFY. If the "source" doesn't support any statements made about the person, then yes. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

JJMC89 also please revert Draft:Hay Chutima if needed as it looks like this was also a second draftication that was challenged by the creator. Spiderone 09:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

You can do that yourself. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi , can you see this article now 1977 Shia protests in Iraq,,, thank you ,,,Hamaredha (talk) 00:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much ,,,Hamaredha (talk) 12:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello!

Please check what I wrote on the article you proposed for deletion. Dante4786 (talk) 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Edward J. Freel

Please take this controversial nomination to WP:AfD. Statewide officials, especially secretaries of state, are usually notable. Bearian (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

To be fair, I was only repairing the PROD as someone attached an undated PROD onto the article. I now understand that the official is notable so there's no point in AfD. Thanks Spiderone 18:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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@JJPMaster: yeah thought I made the wrong call here as well; I thought A10 could only be used if it was a blatant copy paste of another page. Can now see how A1 would apply here. Thanks. Spiderone 16:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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EVFTA

Dear Spiderone, I wish you all the best for the new year! Combined with a Thanks for the deleting/redirecting the EVFTA article to the European Union–Vietnam Free Trade Agreement which I have created today (I started with EVFTA but then realized the full name is better/correct).

BTW: I have the impression that many (new) EU topics do not have so excellent articles in EN WP (FR or DE articles are often better). Perhaps it´s the case that the contributors' attention reflects the estrangement UK / EU (without my wishing to judge it; I just find it logical).

Have a good Sunday! --F.Blaubiget (talk) 13:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

F.Blaubiget - you're welcome. You probably have a fair point about UK editors' reluctance to write good articles on the EU! I appreciate what you're doing! Spiderone 13:19, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for saying so, I will do my best - and will hopefully have more time for EN WP this year.

One question: Is there a way to see which contributor has reviewed an article? Can't find anything when I created an article. Thanks again --F.Blaubiget (talk) 14:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

F.Blaubiget I believe you can check on your 'notices' to the left of your talk page at the top of your screen. Spiderone 14:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Belated: Thank you dear Spiderone! I wish you a lovely Sunday (after a strange first week of the new year) --F.Blaubiget (talk) 06:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

F.Blaubiget same to you as well! It certainly is shaping up to be another odd year! Spiderone 18:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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Simon Davies

I will try to find some resource but the problem is that it is a quite recent constructed language so there won't be fairly any publications about him besides websites or Youtube (nowadays, most of the stuff is on the Internet, not published in paper).

Regarding notability, besides the author, he is the main speaker and the main writer in that language. How come this is nor relevant? --Caro de Segeda (talk) 12:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Caro de Segeda at Wikipedia we have guidelines listed at WP:BIO and WP:GNG that articles need to meet. If he is the main speaker and main writer in that language then that is a strong claim to notability but we need independent sources to back up that claim. Websites are fine as there is no requirement for the sources to be available offline but the websites should be from organisations or companies independent to him. I hope this helps. Spiderone 12:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

That is what I mean, regarding constructed languages, it is quite a small world so there won't be any publications from "organisations or companies". Finding references that are not from the movement itself it is almost impossible, specially if we cannot take Youtube or other modern means of communication.I have added a couple more references but I don't think there will be much more. --Caro de Segeda (talk) 12:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there, I have created two articles namely Jamia Urwa-tul-Wusqa and Howza ilmeya jamia jaffria located at Lahore and Gujranwala respectively in Pakistan. Help me to build or upgrade the artical... I have provided references also.you can on Google map also... Try to prevent them from deletions... Sharief123 (talk) 12:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

These establishments most probably exist but have we got evidence that they are notable? Are there any independent sources discussing them? Spiderone 12:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Why are you keep adding deletion tag to my created articles

You know it comes under notability but still add the tag of deletion to my created articles Shivsa008 (talk) 13:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

It says on the tag that you are not allowed to remove the AfD notice. You are more than welcome to contribute to the discussion but removing the tag will not stop the discussion from taking place. Spiderone 13:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Spiderone! You have move my recent article(with name :Muhammad Safi) to draft. which I have written about an Afghan Journalist. I know source may not be reliable but I will improve it as me I'm also new in wiki, and it's better known to you that in Afghanistan the internet world is not that much improve, it's taking long time to find references to actual organization in internet it's possible physically but in digital world and internet most of the administration don't have any information. kindly help in part. Regards. Abdul Aziz Yousufzai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul Aziz Yousufzai (talk • contribs) 06:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Praewa Patcharee moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Praewa Patcharee, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Spiderone 08:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Kat Rattikarn moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Kat Rattikarn, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Spiderone 08:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Repeated draftifications and cut-&-paste moves

Please do not repeatedly draftify pages. If a page creator moves a previously draftified page to Mainspace, that should be taken as a sign that the draftification is disputed, and the page should remain as an article while further deletion options are explored.

The histories of some of the pages created by ธนภัทร สุดชีแสง also suggest that you've been performing cut-&-paste moves, which must not be done since they break proper attribution in the article history. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but otherwise please be more careful with such edits. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC) PS This is probably the reason the above two draftification notices were given to yourself instead of the articles' author. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Spiderone, just bring them up for speedy deletion next time, especially since they have no sources. I'll support that. We may not agree on whether the AfC process is really all that beneficial, unless you get a good reviewer the responses can be quite demoralizing, but if you choose that option then you should follow through with it. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 15:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Paul 012 and Tsistunagiska very fair points and I'll bear this in mind in future. It was my opinion at the time that they didn't meet CSD as they weren't hoaxes and had some sort of claim to notability, even though none of it was sourced. I considered BLPPROD but wasn't sure whether the external link to their personal Facebook page would be considered a 'source' even though it essentially confirms none of the article information. I would argue that the Facebook links for Draft:Kat Rattikarn and Draft:Praewa Patcharee are incorrect as well. I had done a brief search in Thai for all of them and all of them come up with some news sources but I have no idea whether there is enough to pass notability or not. I have left messages for the creator where appropriate but I would assume that they don't speak any English given that they haven't responded to any of them in any way. My main worry is that these articles will just sit there as unsourced BLPs with potentially incorrect information for years. For example Atittaya Bunyalieang, created today. I have no idea what's going on. I'm trying to verify the Hinduism claim but the source doesn't work. Most of the info is copied from Kratae R-Siam which is based upon the same dead refs. I will of course WP:AGF and work on the basis that the info is correct but, sometimes, I'd rather not have an article on a BLP at all than an unsourced one. Spiderone 17:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I understand the concerns. I agree that the CSD criteria don't quite apply here, but BLPPROD is probably the only undisputable process that can be used. If an article isn't eligible, and draftifications are reverted, then AfD is likely required. (Or, if a subject is possibly notable and one is willing to do the work, trimming the content down to a stub is also an option.) --Paul_012 (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Please undo deletion on my Article

I apologise if i had made any bad edit and i tell you that it wasn't intentionally if i had done so. You tagged my article Manzoor Ahmad Bhat for deletion please restore it. Rasik99009 (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Rasik99009 - the main issue with that article is that it is entirely copied and pasted from a website. Since we do not have permission to do that, this in breach of copyright law. If the subject is notable, you are more than welcome to write the article in your own words and reference them to reliable sources. Spiderone 21:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I apologise once again i wasn't of this thing. Can you please remove the deletion tag. Rasik99009 (talk) 21:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Rasik99009 - the deletion tag will need to remain as an administrator will need to remove the copyrighted content from the article history. After that is done, the article can be created again but please be careful not to copy and paste even one sentence when you create the article a second time. Spiderone 21:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Rasik99009 Please feel free to consult the Teahouse if you need help or tips on creating articles. :-) --ARoseWolf (Talk) 22:10, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Rasik99009 - you have done some very good work in the other article that you created so please don't let this one incident discourage you from contributing here Spiderone 22:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed article for deletion

Hello,

I recently proposed deletion of the article Urban Service Track. I posted on the talk page in 2013 and again in 2018, suggesting the article is not sufficiently notable to justify the article - that's the rationale for the proposed deletion. Created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urban Service Track. Just FYI. Rytyho usa (talk)

Rytyho usa - that's absolutely fair enough. I did a quick search and the organisation gets a lot of hits on Google but nothing that strikes me as being significant so definitely worth a deletion discussion. Spiderone 08:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Possible article deletion

I noticed that you nominated the article Naeem Charles for deletion, however I don't think that it should be deleted. There multiple references that include primary sources, and all of the information is true and accurate. Ajax.amsterdam.fan (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Ajax.amsterdam.fan - Firstly, a deletion nomination does not mean that I don't think that the information is accurate. Wikipedia has notability guidelines, the most important of which is WP:GNG. For Charles to qualify for an article, there must exist multiple sources showing significant coverage of him as an individual. Significant coverage needs to be more than just a passing mention and it needs to be more than just an entry in a database website such as Global Sports Archive. If such sources do exist, please do link them in the deletion discussion and please feel free to add them to the article as well, although that second part is not essential for the article to be kept. Spiderone 22:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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I'd like to point out that User:Sro23 has been arbitrarily deleting newly created pages without any proper procedure, such as Isa Jafari and Ihor Skochylyas. Additionally, he has repeatedly vandalized the page Robiro Terán, deleting it and replacing it with a mere redirect. --31.158.158.194 (talk) 00:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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Per this if you decide to take this to AFD I will fully support you and !vote accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007 - thanks! It definitely warrants a discussion so I've started one here Spiderone 16:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, I already commented in one AFD where the user cupper is simply nominating articles for AFD without following proper steps. Now I believe its true because anither user has also pointed out this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cupper52#AfD_-_Thomas_Delany Please take necessary actions. Thankyou Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 16:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Kashmorwiki - hi there, I'm not an admin so can only issue warnings and not blocks. I understand your concern about the AfDs but please consider continuing to speak to Cupper on their talk page. I don't see any massive problems here. If the subjects are notable, they will be kept. If you believe that Cupper is acting in bad faith and have tried talking to Cupper and don't feel happy that the issue is resolved, then please start a discussion at WP:ANI. ANI is a last resort and you must notify Cupper if you decide to do this. I hope this helps. Spiderone 16:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou. Please see this discussion also and can you please tell me whether I should go for ANI https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thomas_Delany#Thomas_Delany Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Kashmorwiki - I agree that it's a questionable AfD but it was done in good faith and I can understand why it was brought to AfD. The user has been spoken to a few times on their talk page so, as long as all future AfD nominations are appropriate, I don't see an issue Spiderone 17:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou for the advice. I will act accordingly. Let me find whether the user is actually doing it on good faith or with other any intentions. Happy editing ... Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 17:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome Spiderone 17:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hey Spiderone, I had few doubts about page writing.. My articles always have mistakes.. No matter how hard I try, Can you please guide me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyaunchalli (talk • contribs) 07:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Shreyaunchalli - hi there! It's the way that the article is referenced. The references need to be exactly after the statement in which they support. I will have a look in about an hour or so and give you an example of what I mean. Thanks! Spiderone 15:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Shreyaunchalli - please see the note that I left on your talk page regarding the above Spiderone 19:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Your review of article Maurice Novoa

Hi, I was a little confused when the page that you reviewed Maurice Novoa has been nominated for deletion, I understand that if there is an issue with the page the reviewer normally indicates it with some kind of template. Is it possible you may have missed something? The article has national print news sources so I don’t see how someone outside of Australia can know much about them if there are not online. Any advice would be much appreciated, Cheers Australianblackbelt (talk) 19:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Australianblackbelt - hi, I'm not perfect so sometimes I will endorse an article because it looks to meet notability guidelines but other users will disagree, which is fine. With that being said, I think that there's enough coverage to suggest that this should not be deleted as an uncontroversial PROD. Spiderone 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up, you are most certainly right about more articles out there on the Novoa specially when there were several national print edition Spanish news papers. I know for a fact he was featured many time in a paper called Noticias y Deportes understandably people don't don't keep those papers and back then facebook was not a thing so its practically impossible to find unless one goes to the national library archives which is something I'm not willing to do as a volunteer. I do believe this year is his martial arts club 10th year anniversary seeing as it says he started the club in 2011, so there may well be something published about him this year. There is only one Spanish national news paper left in this country its called El Español. Cheers, Australianblackbelt (talk)

Minority discrimination on Wikipedia

I think Wikipedia want to hide fact that it has minority discrimination policy. My article marked for deletion, even it has truthful fact and information.

Wikipedia has discrimination "Noticeability" policy against minorities. For example, Wikipedia do not accept articles about popular minority singers because they are noticeable according to Wikipedia policy, even if they are noticeable person in minority. Wikipedia promotes only general-trend culture and suppress cultural diversity. Discrimination "notability policy" of Wikipedia do not consider impact and benefits of minority noticeable person for they society. According to Wikipedia policy only person of “big” nationalities allowed to be represented on wiki. If you are for example Aleut, who is only 400 people the world, your best singer never be allowed to be mentioned on Wikipedia. Obviosly you cannot find Aleut newspaper as refence source and even if you find it Wiki will say it is only 400 copies - unsignificant. But this is a whole nation! 400 copies for WHOLE nation.... Bright example of this is article of famous Kalmyk singer is nominated for deletion becaue of this policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Ligor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Makushima our editors do our best to cover as many topics as possible but we do require that reliable sources are used. I appreciate that it's difficult to find online sources for someone in such a small community. Do you know if there are any paper newspapers that cover her? Or books? Resources in any language are welcome, however, we do ask that the sources are independent and reliable. If you are writing about someone based on your own personal experiences or opinions then I'm afraid Wikipedia is not the appropriate place. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Spider You should be reasonable when you asking newspaper evidence from natioanlility of 400 men. Do you think they print their own newspaper? And in the end if they print it you will tell me that 200 copies newspaper is not signinficat for Wiki, even it is covers half population of this nation. That's is why the policy is considered descriminating. It is a fact. And I just described the fact. You do not delete article about "head", becasue thre is no source or newspaper which says that it is prt of body. It is a fact that head is part of body.

I am not putting my opinion here, only facts. And fact is that Wiki discrimate minority by it is policy. You can test it by yourself. Create page about best aleut singer and it will be deleted. Create page about best chinese singer and it will remains.

Makushima: If the Chinese singer does not "receive significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources" then it will be deleted. Same for the Aleut singer. I learned a hard lesson after being here at Wikipedia for a few months. I am a woman. I am of Cherokee ancestry. I live in Alaska and have worked with multiple Native peoples in the US. I am a mother. I am a subsistence hunter. I have my beliefs and I practice them. Nothing I just said about myself is any less relevant because I do or do not have a Wikipedia page. No Wikipedia page is going to give it more significance in my life and the lack of a Wikipedia article does not make it less important to me. I was those things before joining Wikipedia and I will be those things after I leave Wikipedia. The same in this case. The subject of this article is notable to those who love her and cherish her work. She is notable to her people and a bright beacon of light that shines positively on her culture. Nothing Wikipedia does or doesn't do will ever be able to add to or take away from that. Wikipedia has its policies and it has a right to adhere to those policies as it sees fit. I may disagree with them but if I am to edit here I must adhere to them. That does not change me and it won't change her. --ARoseWolf 17:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska I am sorry that you give up... and agreed. If rules are wrong I try to break it. In my opinion, instead of edit Wiki you should write open letter to US president to stop discrimination. Ask people to cut finces sources for organization which discriminate people, impose sanction on mangers of such organization so they will change policy and stop discrimination.

Tsistunagiska - well said. Wikipedia's policies are a real pain sometimes but if you look into the reasons behind them, they make sense. In an encyclopaedia so massive and impossible to fully moderate, it helps to have a line there. If they did away with that line and decided that things can be notable just because we think they are, the entire encyclopaedia would, within a month, be completely flooded with soapboxing, hoaxes, vandalism and all sorts. Yes, there would be some interesting content as well, I'm sure.

Spiderone I understand common sense reasons behind the policies, but you also understand common sense reasons that breaks that "common sense policy". Resolution is very simple: relative significance estimation. You estimate significance not in absolute numbers but in relative numbers.

Wikipedia is not the only website available. There are so many out there that will allow you to promote the Aleut people without restriction and without anyone asking you to provide evidence for the facts that you state. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Spiderone This is not good approach: if somebody rapes a women, just go to another street and don't look at it. And I thought Wiki do not promote nationalities but provides information about them? I my goal is not promote Aleut but give information to people. Also dominating position of Wikipedia in this area of service information provider put other site not in equal position. So if somebody rape women near White Hall it is little bit different than it happens on Aleutian Islands (a little bit). Sorry for harsh example.

Makushima without any evidence that this singer is notable, we only have your word. You say that she is the best singer in her ethnic group but that is subjective. If there are sources to say that she is the best singer, then it's valid but, if it's just you, then it's not appropriate for Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Spiderone I didn't say likes. I bring you the link from OFFICIAL INFORMATION PORTAL OF REPUBLIC, saying that she is noticeable singer and person of Kalmyk minority. You just ignoring this information. I don't know why... What else you need? Certificate signed by Putin and Trump on Urdu language saying that she is a ruler of the world? ;-)

Makushima If you believe I have given up then you do not know anything about me. Likewise, you do not break a discriminatory system by circumventing its processes. That is what has been happening for too long here. I was involved in that. I believed we should keep articles because of their regional or topical importance. I believed flooding the encyclopedia with these articles would overwhelm the system and cause it to have to change but I saw quickly that wasn't going to happen. If strict adherence to the rules and processes results in an almost dead experiment then so be it. Wikipedia has made its rules and must live with the consequences. If views and internet traffic go elsewhere where articles on the things that mean more to specific groups is located then so be it. If Wikipedia dies as the result of its policies then it has to live with those decisions. Circumventing it does not reveal where changes need to be made and only serves to delay the inevitable. Revealing the obvious gaps and holes and suggesting new policies and rule changes within the process is the only way change can be achieved. Unfortunately that can't happen until we remove part of the issue and that is the fluff of these articles that have no wiki-notability but have been created/kept because a temporary mob or good faith editor decided going around policy was better for the encyclopedia. It actually hurts the encyclopedia more than any of you realize. --ARoseWolf 19:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska I am sorry, I didn't want to offend you. I just wrote what I do in this kind of situation. I understand that Wiki is goal for you. For me is tool, to help people. I understand if wiki dies, there will be another tool with its restrictions and policies. So changing wiki policy it is just adopting tool for along to society rules and needs. I don't think the approach which I propose will overwhelm Wiki with Aleut singers articles and it will be down because of that. But it certainly this allows people to learn about other nationality culture.

@Makushima: A mention in a government portal doesn't count. WP:GNG, read it . This may seem offensive and disheartening at this point in the debate but sources need to have a significant mention, reliable and Independent. Only those meeting all 3 are considered. And there needs to be multiple such sources to classify it as GNG. Government portals are not at all independent, they seek to promote their culture and will put up every single achievement by their citizens, big or small on the portal. There is an article about a 5 year old kid winning a kindergarten chess competition on the same site. I'm not belittling her win in the song contest, but that source is not exactly a good one. Daiyusha (talk) 13:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

[[User:Daiyusha]|Daiyusha]]] Are you kidding me? I can say that Filmfare is not realiable source - they promoting only Indian cilture films. Article about SRK should be deleted. The same is Oscar they promote only American culture. Most information about Putin coming from goverment sites. All these article should be deleted as they don't have realible sources. Article about 5-year old winner doesn't make source not realible. Here is news on Kommersant (I think you will agree that Komersant one of the most relable source in Russia) about new watches https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4641531. I mean this is completly unsigninficant news compare with information that 5 years old Kalmyk won chess competiotion. So articles with link to Komersant should be deleted?

@Makushima: you can very much nominate those articles for AfD if you feel the sources are not adequate. Many of us will review the sources we can find and it is possible they should be deleted based on the criteria. I can't say as I haven't had a reason to look at the articles in question and won't unless it's brought to AfD. --ARoseWolf 19:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: I am sorry for my bad education (only PHd in Information Science) but what is Afd? Alternative for Germany? ;-) Makushima (talk) 18:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Duntech

thanks on that edit. Not sure how I missed the '06 PROD in the history. Will take to AfD shortly should you wish to weigh in there. StarM 17:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

StarM You're welcome. I just found it when looking at Wikipedia:Database reports/PRODed articles with deletion logs :) Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Wasn't aware of that page before and watching that now. So double thanks. Have a good day! StarM 17:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

FYI on Unknown User Double

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/220.120.78.242 David notMD (talk) 10:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Why do you tag Masoumeh's page repeatedly? Because they are Iranians? I have a question for you? Why are you doing this because he is Iranian, unless there is a place for racial discrimination in Wikipedia? Unless the user wrote the page that the page is being created I'm sorry for you too You are not a wiki writer You frequently tagged this page But there is a place of enmity in Wikipedia Why Why Why? J E L O D A R (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Nikrad2020 Why?Why?Why do editors always think it's something nefarious or personal when this sort of thing happens. I don't know for sure but I am almost 100% certain that Spiderone is not sitting at home thinking about the next article on an Iranian he can delete. There is no evidence of specific subject discrimination here. The basic notability guideline is intentionally discriminatory because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Notability must be proved through the sources based on the criteria. No sources based on the criteria means no article on Wikipedia. --ARoseWolf 19:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska - correct. There's no agenda here. Wikipedia does ask for sources to be reliable and independent. This was simply not the case with this article and it was unfortunately just misuse of Wikipedia as Linkedin. Something that I am growing increasingly tired of. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

My frustrations run much deeper. The application of vaguely written SNG's and those written with an obvious bias for specific subjects and against basic notability requirements are rampant throughout the encyclopedia. The answer is not to rewrite SNG's or even come up with more. They need to get rid of everything in WP:N, and rewrite GNG as THE notability guideline under WP:N. Make it clear. Make it decisive. Make it absolute. Wipe out all of these SNG's and essays. Then we can have a proper evaluation of notability and see where improvement can be made upon that to be more inclusive if need be. --ARoseWolf 19:47, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

DO NOT make any changes as another guideline or anything other than a revision to the ONLY notability policy of Wikipedia on that page. --ARoseWolf 19:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

The SNGs are certainly controversial; for many years now they have led to the creation of hundreds of thousands of barely sourced and barely informative articles on the basis of presumed notability rather than proven notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Exactly! And look, you know me well enough from my brief time here. Would you consider me an advocate for wholesale deletion of articles? I personally think the encyclopedia should be expanding. Not like this though. This is chaos with very little control. That is due to a lack of framework. The house is going to fall one day. --ARoseWolf 20:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

For me, it's important we expand on quality rather than just quantity. Back when we had to write on paper, you could never justify an 'article' on someone that has played 3 minutes of their sport and who had no coverage otherwise. It would be a complete waste. Yes, I'm aware of WP:NOTPAPER but we should still be somewhat selective. I sometimes think that people would rather their favourite sports player had an article, even if it's a one sentence stub, than actually concern themselves with having high quality and reliable content which we should strive for. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

It's even deeper than this and I will admit I have fallen into this trap in the past. The turning point for me happened about a month or so ago. I was literally distraught over information I had added to existing articles here being removed, though some of the information was correct it came from vastly unreliable sources and I should have known that. Sometimes you get stuck in this state of tunnel vision and you are so focused on trying to find sources for every statement that you lose sight of the quality of sources you are using. Any way, I wrote my mothers sister and she chastised me hardcore about even editing here. For whatever reason they do not like Wikipedia. I was feeling down and ready to quit for the second time in six months. My daughter who is going on 9 now looked at me one day and said she had been watching me. She sits under the blanket with me a lot as I edit here. She asked me why coming here makes me so sad. I told her what happened. She literally looked at me and said, "Mama, does writing about those things make you who you are?" I stopped in my tracks and looked at her and she continued, "I mean, you can't be happy until there is something on Wikipedia about who you are?" I needed that slap to the face. It put everything into perspective. I don't need Wikipedia to define me, my beliefs, my character, my life. I am me whether there is a Wikipedia article on it or not. Even if Wikipedia removes every article on every subject I care about, it doesn't reduce its importance to me by even the slightest of degrees. That is a freeing experience. It allows me to look at articles from the perspective of literally worded policy and guideline rather than allow my emotions and feelings to get involved. Don't get me wrong, I am not a "deletionist" but I am able to look at things more selective. Some editors who have been here for many years can't say that. They haven't experienced it and I see them still react to policy with feeling. --ARoseWolf 15:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I have a very 'black and white' thought process so, for me, notability is just a fact. It's notable or it isn't. This will, inevitably, cause conflict even though I don't deliberately try to cause such conflicts. I understand why emotions can get involved, though, and I too am 'proud' of some of the work that I've done here and would be a little upset if some of it were deleted. I think people take it really badly if it's an autobiography. I've had people very vehemently argue that they 'deserve' an article on Wikipedia as if it is their God-given right to be on here. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska, That’s a common tactic used predominantly by COI/UPE editors(I’m not calling the creator of the article in question a paid editor) this is merely generic, when you put their non notable articles for deletion they begin guilt tripping you or casting aspersions, or making asinine comments such as “Is it because I’m a woman” “Do you hate blacks” “Are you racist” blah blah blah, It’s an endless list really. Furthermore, on SNG's, I definitely understand your frustrations as I have experienced how perplexing it can be, imho the most baffling and vexing would have to be WP:NPOL which states “politicians are presumed notable if they meet .....” imo, the emphasis here should be on the word “Presumed” but majority of the editors here erroneously assume if the politician meets any criterion from WP:NPOL it translates to automatic notability for the politician, not considering the fact that the word “presumed” is/was used & not “are notable”. I found my self in a very annoying situation in which the subject of the article didn’t have a single solid source discussing her with in-depth significant coverage other than name dropping her as a member of parliament, I pointed this out, but no editor was having it, in so far as she met a criterion, to them she is/was automatically notable. The fact is SNG’s can be irritating, but sometimes they are of help, theoretically speaking, if a scientist who was a recluse and disliked human interaction discovered the cure for cancer, I wouldn’t expect a lot of google hits to pop out on them that truly satisfies WP:GNG, which requires in-depth significant coverage, No source would be able to achieve that seeing that as I hypothetically stated; the scientist is a recluse who dislikes human interaction, thus he automatically fails GNG, but that doesn’t mean he/she isn’t going to be considered notable as they have would have made a great achievement thus I’m appreciative of SNG’s in those type of situations. @Spiderone, yes! It’s so annoying when editors write an autobiography & explain why they deserve one as though it were a de-facto mechanism of Wikipedia works. “I’m famous so yeah I deserve a frigging 'page'. Celestina007 (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007 It is frustrating because we may actually have real issues with the notability guideline but we will never get to the point of fixing it because everything around it is so vague and changes from one SNG to the next. I have taken editors to task on that "presumed" nonsense. I always initially assume good faith but nothing anywhere in Wikipedia says we have to perpetually assume good faith when you open your mouth, in this case through your fingers, and prove to us you don't understand the basic definitions of such words. It does not help that SNG's further discriminate but in the opposite direction. GNG is the most exclusive guideline we have here. A lot of the SNG's are the most inclusive guidelines we have. The rest of the SNG's refer you to the WP:N for notability but stick that "presumed" word in there just to muddy it up further. ---ARoseWolf 17:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

As far as the hypothetical scientist who "found the cure for cancer" but is a hermit goes, my question would be, is the cure notable or the one who found it notable? You can easy mention the founder in an article on the cure. But is that person notable outside of this momentary flash in time? Wikipedia has rules against writing articles for individuals who are victims of a crime, even when the crime itself is notable. What is notable is the event. Not saying I personally agree but taking the words at their literal meaning the person's involved do not inherit notability because of the events notability. Its why I disagree with the killers getting articles detailing their entire life while victims are a footnote. If the policy is to be adhered to in one case then it should be adhered to in all cases. In the case of the scientist, by the letter of the law as to what is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia, they may not be notable. --ARoseWolf 17:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: sorry for the late reply, I didn’t get a ping. As to the hypothetical scenario, you do raise a valid point as to who is truly notable, the scientist or their work, if I were to give a blanket answer I’d say both are, at least that’s the general consensus for now. I think ANYBIO#2 & NACADEMIC#7 makes the scientist notable. Celestina007 (talk) 18:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: That may be my fault. I do apologize. I agree that those SNG's would make the scientist notable. There in lies the discrimination. Take out the significance of the event. Why should the scientist who is known for one event, be given a pass while other subjects, like the murder victim of a crime in which their was an actual crime bill passed into law as the result of their death, are denied because of their involvement in one event, WP:BLP1E Point# 1 is even wrongly attributed to these cases, though the victims of a murder are clearly not living persons. Under just the GNG and N criteria, the events may be notable but the participants, I use that word loosely, would not be. SNG's create a social hierarchy and caste in which some subjects are counted as more important than others and built-in advantages are given to them over others even when the situations, regardless of significance, are similar. --ARoseWolf 18:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

article

I think the article County University Soccer Stadium is good because it has reliable sources. I know that there aren't really secondary sources, but I will look for some and add them in. --Ajax.amsterdam.fan (talk) 17:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Ajax.amsterdam.fan - no problem. Please do add some secondary sources if you find any. As long as they are reliable sources, we can and should add them. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Jairaj Varsani

Hi, Just wanted to ask why IMDb is a reliable source. It is the world's number 1 film database. I Will change the source for Jairaj Varsani, but I think IMDb is the most reliable DDP-Trooper1777 (talk) 07:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

DDP-Trooper1777 - Please see WP:IMDB - the content is generated by its users and is not regularly checked. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I have now added 'more reliable' sources, they are from books/newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDP-Trooper1777 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for adding more reliable sources. My issue is that these only cover Varsani at a very basic level. In fact, in all of them, he is only mentioned once. Have you got any reliable sources that give him more than just a short mention? I searched myself and couldn't find any. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, yes I will be able to find more reliable infomation talking about Varsani in more detail. I'll add them and let you know. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDP-Trooper1777 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Please could you remove the templates at the top, as all infomation is from a reliable source and correct. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by DDP-Trooper1777 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

DDP-Trooper1777 - the discussion is still not finished, I'm afraid. I still don't believe that the sources show that he meets either of the notability criteria found under WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG or even WP:BASIC. My concern is that the sources do not address Varsani in depth. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Please could you let me know how detailed the sources need to be. I gave a source that links to the sentence. He appears in all of the films/tv shows provided with sources from trusted newspapers. Since he just came into acting the source don't have info of his personal life, just his acting career. DDP-Trooper1777 (talk) 12:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

DDP-Trooper1777 - There's no exact length but I would expect at least three sources where there is at least a paragraph about him. He may qualify under WP:NACTOR even if failing GNG but I can't see any evidence that he has multiple significant roles in major productions. Only one of his roles could be argued to be significant. Nor does he have a notably large fan base nor has he revolutionised acting or broken any records etc. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:14, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Steven Richter

I would like to know what issues you have with [Richter's ] page so that i can improve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RRfeatures (talk • contribs) 11:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

RRfeatures - I haven't stated any opinion on Richter yet. I'm happy to have a look at the sources later, though. I'll leave a comment on the deletion discussion page. Kind regards Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I just don't understand why one would think this is biased. None of the links are self made, they are mostly reviews of his films. There is a wikipedia link to his school in Brazil. If you don't think the poster is notable enough for their film work, as in not being famous, then look at the film school. The AIC is the largest film school in Brazil and one of the most well known. RRfeatures (talk) 12:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

RRfeatures, easy to answer, notability is not inherited from related persons or objects such as schools to other individuals. Just because his school is notable and has a page does not mean he is notable and should have a page. Both have to withstand Wikipedia's very discriminatory process for inclusion on their own merits. Even if I personally agreed with you that the subject should be included but policy says it shouldn't then I will vote to delete or not include it. Maybe policy should be changed. We wont know if we navigate around it just because we personally feel it is wrong. --ARoseWolf 19:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

iulian adrian voinescu

Good evening. I wanted to know how i can improve the page of iulian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iulian_Adrian_Voinescu. I am a beginner. I try to do my best. I am ready to listen any advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugok47 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hugok47! Thank you for your work so far and your willingness to improve Wikipedia. Unfortunately, Voinescu is not yet a player that meets WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG. He has not yet played a game of football at professional level and the articles about him only cover him very briefly and don't go into any detail about him. He may well be notable in future, in which case he will be able to have an article here. Wikipedia is a general encyclopaedia so it's important to understand that we don't have articles on absolutely every single footballer in the world so it's important to have guidelines like GNG to help us establish who is notable. If you want to create new articles about football, we have a big list at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer), all of which are notable topics. If any of these topics interest you, please feel free to create! Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Template:Spiderone i will try to create a page about slovakian female player from [[1]], Karina Pelikanova. There are very few women players pages on wikipedia. Do you think its a good idea? Or there are not enough entrances on internet about her ? thanks

Hugok47 - I don't think she has enough coverage for an article yet and she is still only a youth player for Slovakia. There are some senior players that need articles as they play for the Slovakia senior team, including Stela Semanová and Laura Žemberyová. I would start with these two first. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Harassment

Hello, I have a question, a user is following me and my edits and is constantly harassing me. How should I inform this so that they stop following me?--ارتین محمدیان (talk) 16:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I took pictures of my articles from Persian Wikipedia and put exactly the same content in the description here. The user tags all my edits by following me. The interesting thing is that I tagged an article and they removed it quickly because they are following my edits. Please stop harassing me. Please tell the user not to bother me.--ارتین محمدیان (talk) 16:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

ارتین محمدیان hi! Have you left a message on the user's talk page? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

No, I do not know much about what message I should leave, but take a look at my discussion and you will see that the user is following me.--ارتین محمدیان (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Please read WP:AGF; always assume good faith. If the behaviour is such that it is causing genuine distress then please read WP:HARASSMENT. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The user is very upset with me. I take pictures from Persian and upload them here because they are approved in Persian, but the user tags them quickly.--ارتین محمدیان (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Youjay

I thought I am doing in sand box but rough draft erroneously get into live space, please ignore and deleteU.J (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Youjay878 which article are you referring to? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, dear the first rough draft article was erroneously came into live space, I thought I am working in sandbox but that was live actually, kindly ignore being a new user mistakes, you may delete that one.

The second time I tried to make article being too vigilant, please remove its deletion nomination as I did late night sittings and research for my first publication. I will really appreciate if I am encouraged to let my workings be published after necessary editing whatsoever, thanks.U.J (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Primary sources

Hey there. First, thanks for all the work you're doing on WP. Today, in my NPP, I came a across an AfD you either created, or commented on. You put in one of the great little charts to categorize each of the current sources. The only issue was that you had marked an interview as counting towards a source for GNG. The discussion is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qasim Ali Shah (2nd nomination). While not commenting about how I feel about this policy, interviews are considered primary sources (see WP:PSTS - and then you have to go footnote "c"), and as a primary source, can't be counted towards GNG. Thought you'd like to know. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Onel5969 - thanks for pointing that out! Not sure what I was thinking there! Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, further citations searched and incorporated for review and acceptability of the live space article Qasim Ali Shah, thanks.U.J (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, you've added [2] which is basically a rehashing of [3]. You've also added an unreliable Blogspot source and a link to Mixcloud. I'm afraid none of these sources show notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Runixx info tech

Bro please dont delete runixx page. Zaidwani1 (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

If you can prove, using sources, that it passes WP:NCORP then it can stay. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Amir Hossein Mahmoudi (footballer)

Hi, I did not see the previous versions and I created this version.You can delete it؟؟--Ərtin M123 ^{(Συζητώ)} 11:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Nomination of El-Sayed Mohamed Attia for deletion

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Association Football Deletion

Are there two deletion lists of association football players? When I see an AFD on a soccer player, it seems to be listed on two different lists. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Robert McClenon - that's right! A lot of WP:FOOTY don't check the deletion sorting but do check the WikiProject page so we find it useful to list it there as well Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Horlah Oladeji

Hello Mate,

Your doing a great Job and I see that you are actively supportive and active on the page. However, the page HORLAH OLADEJI that you nominated for deletion was wrongly nominated because he has represented Nigeria at the WAFU U20 tournament in Togo in 2018 and I have some of the team sheet and pictures to show. Jhonnnnny (talk) 23:11, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Jhonnnnny even if you do have squad lists that show this, it still wouldn't make him notable as it's not a senior national team appearance Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay thanks Spiderone. Just for reference sake, he also played for ABS FC one of the few professional teams in Nigeria. Also was rated among the list of goalkeepers to ever represent Nigeria.

https://sportsembassy.com.ng/behold-the-list-of-nigerian-national-team-goalkeepers-past-and-present/

https://bsnsports.com.ng/nnl-abs-appoints-hassan-abubakar-as-new-technical-adviser-retain-9-players/ Jhonnnnny (talk) 23:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Jhonnnnny he would need more than just a few passing mentions to pass WP:GNG Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the explanation; however the reference about the subject are listed in trust online medias which are known for accurate news in Nigeria

National Pilots Newspaper BSN Sports Today News. Ghana guardian news Ghanasoccernet

https://www.today.ng/sport/football/flying-eagles-paul-aigbogun-20-u20-wafu-cup-togo-176253

https://thenationalpilot.ng/2018/12/03/abs-goalkeeper-selects-for-feagles-wafu-cup/amp/

https://ghanasoccernet.com/nigerian-second-tier-side-abs-illorin-fc-signs-former-dunkwa-united-fc-goalie-horlah-sarpei Jhonnnnny (talk) 09:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)