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Gerda Arendt, Ooooooo, wow, the first? Thank you so much, beautiful Light. I love the grapes. Reminds me of my grandparents vineyards in Italy. I have run through the rows of grapes quite a few times. Also the time I met Andrea Bocelli and he sang happy birthday to me. Sigh-so many great memories from what seems like a lifetime ago. --ARoseWolf13:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, I figured as much. I was bogged down at that time with everything. I should have said something. I apologize for being absent minded. My focus was just on getting well. --ARoseWolf19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, I didn't intend for you to feel you missed something. Getting well IS your focus, for all of us. How do you like the Ave Maria I gave you further up? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, Nooooo, you didn't make me feel bad or anything. I just hate to miss out on special days for my friends. Birthdays were like most holidays growing up, we didn't celebrate many. That was the compromise my Catholic Mama and my Jewish Papa made with each other. They acknowledged special days but we never celebrated outwardly. They viewed them as a personal journey. We were allowed to determine our own beliefs and build our own philosophy, many included religious viewpoints. The exceptions to the celebration rules were my 13th birthday and when I turned 18 and left to live with my brother in Nepal for a year or so. That was quite the interesting experience. On my 13th birthday my grandmother made me read through the Torah. I read for nearly five hours, out loud, in Hebrew. Then we celebrated with both an Italian and Hebrew meal. I look back on my childhood and early teens very differently than most would. Many would call it tragic, it certainly contained a lot of that, and some would call it odd, very fitting, but I see it as a very rich and deeply meaningful journey to where I am now. --ARoseWolf19:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, most languages I know are self-taught but a few, like Hebrew and Yiddish, were taught to me by my grandmother. She was my school teacher early in my life. Then my Mama became my teacher. I had issues which kept me from attending public school like my siblings but I still excelled and graduated high school. I was also a pretty good archer competing in state competitions. Btw, English was, by far, the hardest to learn for me. --ARoseWolf20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. I updated my images, - which one do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fluent in French?
Hey! I noticed you replied to someone on the teahouse who asked something in French and translating it through Google it appeared to make sense. It made me wonder if you had used Google Translate or if you're actually fluent in speaking (/writing) in French. I looked at your profile and saw nothing indicating you would be fluent in French (considering you lived in Italy for a while so it seems more likely that you would be fluent in Italian). So what's the answer, did you use Google and it happened to make sense when being translated back or are you actually fluent in French? Thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, I am pretty fluent in French though not the Parisian French that I responded in. Provence, Dauphiné, Savoy and Nice all border the Piedmont region of Italy. If you visit the region you will hear a mixture of Italian and French as well as the accustomed differences in dialect one would expect. I do not use Google translator for French, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, Yiddish, Portuguese or German. I may not be able to speak it well but I understand most of those languages and if I run across a word I do not understand I usually ask so that I can learn further. I have heard that Google translator teaches very little and gets a lot of things wrong. --ARoseWolf16:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah that's cool. I didn't even know there were different types of French. You're not wrong that Google Translate isn't all that good (hence the reason a lot of people have been putting things through multiple layers of Google Translate and it coming out completely different), however I think for a rough translation in more common/popular languages it does alright. However in languages such as Urdu for example, Google Translate shouldn't be used. Thanks for informing me on this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, you are most welcome. There are dialects in almost every language. Notice that I called it the Piedmont region of Italy. That is because Italian spoken where I lived is slightly different than the Italian spoken in Rome though I have taught myself to speak several dialects. I am human and prone to a less than perfect delivery. When I speak to others it is generally standard Italian but words slip. We were only allowed to speak English in public once we moved to the US. We had to speak only Italian or Hebrew at home. --ARoseWolf16:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, My parent's rule. My Papa was concerned that speaking Italian or Hebrew in public would make people think we were talking about them and because his business was reliant upon public perception he felt that was inappropriate. At the same time, they had an appreciation for heritage and so they wanted us to maintain that so we only allowed to speak those languages in the home. --ARoseWolf19:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, Of course, I don't mind sharing anything I can. As I noted in a discussion I just had, we are not solo dancers in life. We learn by watching others dance and sometimes we are lucky enough to have another person to dance with us. --ARoseWolf19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, you said WP:AGF is non-negotiable. WP:CIVIL is non-negotiable. Both probably need to take a break or both might end up with a TBAN, or more, and before you say anything. Please clarify which one of my messages violated these. we can all see your talk page and we know you've had some issues with civility in the recent past. I am open to discussing this, however, this was a seperate issue with another editor and has no relationship to the current discussion at ANI. The disparaging remarks on ethnicity and back-in-forth as if this is a battleground needs to stop. I did not comment on other user's ethnicity, I did not disparage anyone's ethnicity. I am willing to make a further explanation if you quote the most violative message I posted but I strongly believe that there is no such comment in any of my messages. Best regards.--V. E. (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Visnelma, my statement was made on AN/I based on the assessment of this case. I choose not to discuss it further outside of the staements I have made but if you want to include your views please do so at AN/I. I believe my statements need no further clarification. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf17:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification
Hi, regardless of your opinion, I thank you for sharing your thoughts on ANI. However, there is one point I want to clarify: I neven accused ZeusAmmon1 over his ethnicity; probably the reason for why you thought like that is ZeusAmmon1's misquotation of one of my messages. I am not urging you to write a respond at ANI; however, I don't want you to think me to be a person who really did that either. Stay well and best regards.--V. E. (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Visnelma, Regardless of what I concluded from my assessment I do not think ill of you personally. I understand how off-wiki groups can be frustrating, especially when they are trying to influence what is included on Wikipedia. It is a serious issue and it should be addressed. The same for sock puppets. My call is for continued civility and kindness from everyone. Just a reminder for all of us. --ARoseWolf21:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Going Home
SusunW, Gerda Arendt, all my other Wiki-friends and fellow jaguars, I have received the all clear to return home. I will be spending this week helping my sister-in-law with the plans and communicating with my brothers back home. With any luck we will be leaving here within a week and make a pitstop to order supplies that will be delivered in the next couple of weeks. I will have a reduced presence for the next week but will still check in as often as possible. I am excited to be going home and getting life back to as normal as I am used to. Thank you so much for all of your thoughts, caring words, prayers, songs and pictures. You have no idea what they have meant to me or how they have seen me through very difficult days. I know many believe it was my strength that got me through and is the reason I am here today. I do have an inner strength that is powerful but there were times when even it waivered. Your strength, your love, your kindness pushed me towards the goal of complete recovery and still does. Finding this community and this encyclopedia to invest my time into has been extremely beneficial and I am eternally grateful. --ARoseWolf19:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is such excellent news, Asareel. I am so excited for you. Literally dancing in celebration. May you have a safe journey home and your homecoming be filled with love, laughter, music, and rainbows. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW and Tryptofish: You both are so cool. Thanks for your responses. I'll take a few days to get readjusted once I get there and then my sister-in-law and I are planning on taking our daughters backpacking. It wont be far from the homestead, just a few miles, but I so just want to be out in the fullness of nowhere. I love the sounds of the city but I also need my quiet nature. Just have to ease back into it. --ARoseWolf11:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
After our sojourn in Belize, which I loved but was difficult in a lot of ways, I decided I would never again not live in a city. I missed the hustle and bustle, the people, the "aliveness" of it, and admittedly the medical service and internet. However, though I live in the heart of the city, literally "Centro", I have a massive garden, full of banana, orange, and lime trees, flowers, hummingbirds, iguanas, possums, the daily migrating parrots, and tons and tons of bees and butterflies. When I am out there (many times daily unless it is raining), you cannot hear the city and it is bliss. I totally get it. Have fun, don't overdo it but at the same time push yourself, build your strength. Most importantly, love your life and the people in it. SusunW (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, I love the sounds. Oh, Susun, walking amongst other people and listening to them living life is like sitting through a concert and listening to a symphony feature every instrument. Its breathtaking in all its majestic beauty. I am in love with people, with our colors, with our songs, with our dance in life. Sometimes I wonder how that impacts me here. I'm not a great writer or a phenomenal researcher. The words I share are from the heart. I make edits where I can and I write new articles as I can find sources but I'll never be as prolific an editor as some here that have written hundreds of featured or even good articles. I am okay in my own skin being who I am while also pushing myself to expand, learn and be better. --ARoseWolf14:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is all of that, but it also can be overwhelming, thus the need for sanctuary and a place to escape from "peopling" from time to time. You are a story-teller, when a story speaks to you, you tell it. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw the "headline", Going Home, on your page and I am so happy for you. Going Home: it is relatable to everyone, any language, anywhere. But, of course, to know that you wrote it, is lovely. I hope all the days ahead -whether on city roads or backpacking trails- shine bright for you. Looking forward to reading about what's ahead as your writing is an inspiration. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rosiestep, Thank you for such a lovely message. I think my next step is going to be getting all my journal entries together this Winter and, hopefully, get it to Ian in the Spring to look at options for publication. That and pictures. With any luck I may be an author one day soon. On Wikipedia I need to finish the article on Wild River and then I need to write one for Wild Lake. --ARoseWolf16:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great! And what a wonderful image to go along! In case you have an extra minute sometime: today is the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! - Looking forward to you as an author! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, inner voices sounds like me. lol Everyone thinks I'm crazy. Maybe I am. Grandfather visits me and animals sometimes speak to me, obviously not with a voice like ours but I still understand them. When we first moved to this homestead I was talking to a friend on my tablet and I felt my ears burn red hot. I walked outside to cool off and Brian followed me. I sat down on the steps and I heard some drums. I'm crazy but not that crazy. We do have Native's in our area so its possible though not likely. It could have been my heartbeat too. Anyway, next thing we both know an older male wolf comes out of the wood line and zigzags over to me sitting on the steps. Brian went to get the rifle we keep behind the door but I stopped him. The wolf laid his head in my lap and closed his eyes for what seemed like forever but was actually only about three minutes. I rubbed his head while he just stayed there. After three minutes he lifted his head, drank some water from a bowl beside me I had set outside for the dogs to drink from, looked at me, shook himself and turned and zigzagged back to the wood line then disappeared. Truly bizarre and had Brian not been standing there no one in this world would have believed me but its all true. I think maybe the Spirits of the land were welcoming me but everyone has their own thoughts on it. The very next day I started renegotiations for logging on property that we bought. For every tree taken there are three planted and I severely limit the amount taken. Also, most of our portion of the profits go to the local Athabascan tribes that were stewards of the land long before we arrived. We also set to tear down any fencing, which there wasn't much, but what was up did limit caribou migration through the area. My goal has always been to restore the land, not further divide it. --ARoseWolf18:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, that's not even my first encounter with wolves. I was adopted by a small pack in Southern Alaska. That's a long but interesting story I will have to tell you sometime. I still think about them often and I took Ariana to meet them once. I wrote a journal entry from her perspective as well as mine. --ARoseWolf19:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Asareel, I came here to post a "thank you" for reminding that one user that WP:IAR doesn't exempt them from WP:NPA, and for sticking up for me. Glancing over the recent discussions here I also want to take the opportunity to wish you health and to say that I admire your perspective on community and purpose in life. I wasn't aware of any disagreements you and I have had in the past, though of course these could be opinions which you have kept to yourself as is your right. If you feel like unpacking what you were referring to I would welcome that, but likewise I would understand if you have other priorities. In any case, just wanted to reach out to say that I value and appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and (I'm sure) to the world we share. Generalrelative (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Generalrelative, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to give the impression that we have actually had disagreements in the past. I don't know of any at all. I sometimes do the very thing my Grandmother used to do. She talked in parables and riddles of sorts but it was always to educate and make me think from a different perspective. In me saying that we may disagree on many things what I am saying is that we might have disagreements that neither of us know about. It just leaves room for our very nature as humans. What my intention was is to say disagreements should never result in us not being able to be kind, respectful and understanding of each other nor does it give us a pass to violate policy here. It's easy to be civil when we agree on things. True civility is found when we passionately and emphatically disagree on something. That's when we find out if we truly understand and appreciate each other. Again, I am so sorry if there was confusion. Thank you for the kind and beautiful message you left and for your continued well wishes. I appreciate them more than any words can express. --ARoseWolf19:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, no need to apologize! I had clearly read too much into it. It is indeed a good practice to emphasize that disagreement should never be equated with conflict. As you say, true civility only really shows up in the context of lively and even passionate debate. Thanks for that reminder, and for your thoughtful engagement. Generalrelative (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
UNIVAC
Hi there!,
Sorry if this is extra I just found a page on here that I want to share with someone who knows a bit more about this big project than me. I found you via stumbling into the PumpkinSky Award wikipage then Phaedriel then Gerda Arendt's talk page but not knowing how to reach out to her and then seeing your comment thanking her for her work and then seeing your user page mention your desire to honor your indigenous family and ancestors and your wiki philosophy and then also reading the wikipedia principles by hammersoft that you shared (thank you).
So with that context out of the way: I made a really messy post on the talk page for this "nonexistent article" (I can't include screenshots bc I don't have a wiki account yet so I'll just copy text). I'm sorry if you already know about it or if its a waste of time to you...the way I found it just seemed significant to me and maybe you know someone on here that this page might be of use to?
TEXT FROM THE ARTICLE:
Universal Automatic Computer
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COPY OF WHAT I PUT ON THE TALK PAGE FOR THE ARTICLE:
this is written as a narrative style post. idk how to code and i dont have a wiki account. I just look up the etymology of words for fun and fell down a rabbit hole that feels fun to play around in. open source AI huh. well lets open up that pandoras box lol. the word lemma is related to quechua 'llama' is related to the hebrew word for 'WHY' and I believe the quechua page for wik'una (also the name for a llama like animal?? I think???) links to the word vicuna (with a tilde over the n, my laptop just doesn't currently support accent marks) the page for the word vicuna lists an anagram for vicuna: UNIVAC. The UNIVAC page says that UNIVAC stands for: UNIVersal Automatic Computer
clicking UNIVAC took me to a "non-existent" (it exists and works as a link its just kinda blank. in my humble opinion it would be fun to have the UNIVAC page include a link to create a wikipedia account and how to understand wikipedia editing/posting guidelines for newbies)
My signature/sign off is below and includes my personal political opinions. I would really like to believe that there is a moral arc to the universe and that it has the option to move towards therapuetic empathetic justice. Sorry if thats messy to talk about so blatantly. Dakota(friend)64.6.120.100 (talk) 08:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These two editors seem to want to block any change claiming its that all other editors are sockpuppets, so they can revert any and all changes.
Fair winds and following seas
S'up Fella (upercase!). I know two editors that use Rose in their usernames, both of whom are female. But it can be masculine, why not? El_C12:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@El C:Rose most definitely could be masculine. Maybe you should change your name to El_Rosa. Hey, I like the sound of that one. Did you just say I smell sweet? lol(blushing) --ARoseWolf13:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it's possible to answer that without a personhood cancelation due to harassment in the lulz place. Smell you later! El_Rosa13:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
El_Rosa, Rose looks good on you. You definitely wear it better than me. Well, we wouldn't want you to have to cancel your personhood. It's kinda important to keep that. Come by and chat anytime, El_C. You can email me too if you like. It's great for building community cooperation and collaboration. :) --ARoseWolf14:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, that's a nice one. 🌹 I honestly don't know which countless mis-C'ing was greater, Che or Cid. And since for some reason now I care to tell everybody that it's actually Comandante, it might be worth pointing out that the number of people who guessed that one correctly amounts to exactly... zero. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯El_C20:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@El C and Tryptofish:: El_C went from a rose to a cow? Tryp, you SPA you, always trying to get into trouble. You learned nothing from the 'phobia case did you? Should I start pleading for your release before the next AN/I thread? lol I actually always thought Elsie was cute. --ARoseWolf12:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You offered fair criticism on both myself and the other party involved. While I disagree with your assessment, I appreciate that your views are consistent. Buffs (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Buffs, its okay to not agree. I try to be consistent because so many are not. It's always like a swinging pendulum going from one extreme to the other. Life can be stressful enough without all of that. I am not delusional enough to think we will always agree and it would be a pretty boring place if we did anyway but we can remain calm when dealing with each other and we can show each other kindness. State your views. You are entitled to them and they are valid because they are real to you. We can stay civil in the process. What can not continue is the disruption. We have to be able to collaborate freely or this encyclopedia will never even come close to reaching max effectiveness. --ARoseWolf12:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe dialogue is key and generally do not ban anyone from my talkpage, but I've been harassed for almost 15 years on Wikipedia (continuing as recently as yesterday and literally involving up to accusations of murder) and condescension & taunting takes their toll. I appreciate your feedback and will do my best to incorporate it. Buffs (talk) 16:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Buffs, I am genuinely sorrowful that you have experienced that and have felt this way over the years. No one should have to endure that type of behavior. I often heard my Grandmother talk about how her mother would tell her about their escape from Germany during WW2. She would always tell my grandmother who passed it down to us that it should be strange to us that human beings would actively incriminate, hunt down, force imprisonment and eventually exterminate another group of humans just because of where they were born and what their heritage is, both out of their control, but the reason it is not so strange is because we encounter it all the time as hateful and disparaging words, making cruel accusations and throwing around mean-spirited vitriol in the name of free-speech or social justice, both of which might offer instant gratification but ultimately are designed for a single purpose, destruction of the human race. I am not against free-speech or social justices but I am against their use to destroy another human being regardless of that human beings belief and regardless of whether their beliefs are the same as mine or not. Wikipedia is a privately operated system which means it can limit or expand its services and content as much as it wants. Anyone using its services has to follow its guidelines and rules. The public square is not privately owned or operated and what I see from every side in the public square genuinely frightens me to my core. There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person. --ARoseWolf17:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person". I agree completely. Too many people aren't even interested in winning any more, just tearing down opponents. Buffs (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Csy06001: First and foremost, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. I am so glad you are here and excited to see how you contribute to our amazing community and this wonderful project. I left a little welcome message with some helpful tips and links on your talk page. To answer your question directly, you can follow this link (WP:AUTOCONFIRM) and it will explain the autoconfirmation process in detail. You can also check out some of the other user access levels while there. I so encourage you to soak up as much knowledge as you can before jumping off into editing. This is an exciting time in your journey of being an editor here because you have the chance to learn and grow. If I can can help you with anything please ask and you can also check out the teahouse too. Again, I am so excited for you and I really hope you enjoy being a part of this community. Remember to be BOLD and please don't get discouraged. --ARoseWolf19:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Winter is coming!
SusunW, supplies have been requested and now it's just a wait and see. We are about two weeks behind where we normally would be. Today's high is around 30f/-1c so we won't see temperatures back above freezing until next summer. Our first single digit lows will be this weekend with the temp reaching 6f/-14c. I still don't have all my energy back but it feels good to be home. I'm sure they appreciate having me back. lol I'm already fussing about everything they have forgotten to do. --ARoseWolf14:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So glad that you are safely home. Right now it is 30C and today's high is predicted to be 34C/93F. It is likely we will remain above freezing for many years. LOL This is not a discouragement, but it will take time to get your energy back. It's fine, part of the process. I am glad that you will be able to experience the coming spring's rebirth, but I cannot be happy about having you go through winter. I shall just focus on your recovery and hope that you are warm. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, winter will be good for me though. Life just kind of slows down. I'm sure I will be spending most of it inside, in the warmth. Our little backpacking excursion was postponed indefinitely because the consensus was that I didn't need to go that distance away from the homestead just yet. Normally I would be stubborn and force my way but I yielded to them. I'm pretty rebellious when it comes to my personal independence, always have been (more scandalous stories). But I have given up a lot of things, including relationships, to form these bonds with my daughter and make sure I am here to see her grow up into an amazing woman. A little personal independence for a little while is such a small thing when it comes to taking care of myself to make sure I am here for her. I am going backpacking as soon as I can though. Ever the rebellious streak! --ARoseWolf15:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Totally get all of that. My unconventional life to others is just my normal (scandalous stories indeed). LOL Unfortunately, my recovery has coincided with Covid, so yes, I get giving up personal independence for a while. In my brain, I have set three years, as my tolerance level...We'll see how that goes. I long to mingle with the hustling crowd in the city and go on a walk-about to some new place where I've never been and work in some visits with friends flung far across the globe. SusunW (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW, just let me know when you are coming and I'll have Jack meet you at the lake with the dog sled. haha! I'll have a nice comfy place in the loft set up for you and the mister ;-) --ARoseWolf15:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wheels turning, Pops has always wanted to go to Japan and me to Russia, but the cold...arg. We literally had to buy shoes in Poland because it was 10C/50F in July and we only own sandals. Alaska->Japan->Russia just might be doable, if I can wrap my head around the cold. Maybe 2023? Googling, July is the warmest month in all of those places but temps averaging below 24C/75F still seem awfully cold. Gives me time to shop for appropriate attire, which I will need as I loathe shopping. LOL SusunW (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SusunW: If you come in July you should miss the last of winter here. You'll have to land on the gravel strip across the lake or on the lake itself if by float plane. You can fly from Fairbanks to Bettles. If you had to, a layover at the lodge there is cool. The owners are amazing. We are pretty much on a first name basis with everyone including the pilots. The communities up here aren't that large as you would probably guess. I think there are maybe 50 to 60 people in a 100 miles radius of us (excluding Anaktuvuk to our northwest). Most are either located near Bettles/Evansville, Coldfoot or Wiseman with more scattered in around and in between. We rarely see temps in that 75f to 80f window and that's at the hottest point during Summer. --ARoseWolf16:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to barge in here but, I'm fairly sure it's a sterotype that Russia is always cold as it's really only the Siberian part of Russia that's cold. Lower parts of Russia probably aren't as cold (but I know nothing about Russia because I've never been outside of the US). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A barnstar for you!
The Surreal Barnstar
You always are nice to people and I've noticed that things rarely seem to anger you. You're always very optimistic and see good in anything. Glad to have you as a friend. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Blaze. It's very nice of you to award me this barnstar and the note you wrote was especially sweet. I hope it's an endearing part of my legacy. Warriors can be be peacemakers. Don't get me wrong, things do anger me sometimes (just ask my brothers). And I do have a bite though its rarely very used. But really I just figure why get mad most of the time? If something angers me to the point I feel I have to lash out then it's time to grab my backpack and walk up into the mountains for a couple of hours. Maybe walk down to the lake and chill on the banks watching eagles play. Nothing on Wikipedia is in my direct control. Everything is done by consensus. Why stress over that. My response to frustration is the only thing in my complete control. I just try be kind and if I get frustrated I go tan some hides, literally. lol --ARoseWolf16:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If I can influence one to step back and take a different view of a particular situation then my time here is a success. It is all about collaborating and working together to effectively build an encyclopedia like no other seen before us in time. --ARoseWolf16:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever I click the button to take me to the section it always takes me to the first barnstar on your page lol I totally agree! Unfortunately not everyone believes that and they don't always act kindly towards others. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000116:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, It does that for me too when I go to other talk pages. Must be something in the code. I honestly believe most people just don't think about being kind. It is a choice you have to make in every situation. It doesn't come natural right away and everyone still makes mistakes. We all have breaking points. I know I can be critical of situations I feel are over the top but I honestly understand the position of both sides of things. My chastising words can seem hard at times and I do apologize to anyone that has been offended by them but I am genuine and passionate about civility, kindness, compassion and empathy being the ruling factor in most every situation, even when punitive actions must be taken. There is always a civil way to approach every discussion. We sometimes miss the mark and it's easy to do. That's why I believe civility, of which kindness, compassion and empathy are a part, is the least enforced and least observed policy here. But that is indicative of society at large as well. True tolerance is not only the allowance of differing viewpoints but the very protection of differing viewpoints. Wikipedia doesn't have to be tolerant outside the scope of what is found in policy. This is not a public institution. However, a tolerant society has to not only allow a differing view to flourish but should actively protect that differing view. I would give my life to protect even those who disagree with me because every view matters and every Song is precious. We are all children of the Earth. --ARoseWolf13:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that EnPassant made an error because of how similar your old username and Lacutengoduva's username look. I'm fairly sure the different character was the g in Tsistunagiska as the g seemed oddly smaller than the rest of the characters. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000119:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting point {u|Blaze The Wolf}}. I never noticed the difference in the g even during the investigation. I have no doubt it was done in good faith. Never would question EnPassant's intent. I appreciate them protecting the integrity of the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf19:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. I decided to take a look and see how they got your old username because I had a feeling it was a slightly different character in the username. IT's almost impossible to notice the difference in the g outside of headers because of how similar it looks. I do wonder what character ɡ is though. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000119:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I figured it out. THe mysterious character is 2 characters which are É¡ (the characters somehow break the reply tool I use). Don't know how it displays as g but that's how it appears. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000119:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Thanks for trying to help, Blaze. It will all work out. :) I didn't want to make too much of a big deal of it. I do think I should have been notified two hours ago when it was filed. --ARoseWolf19:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I had a feeling it was simple confusion as I can't possibly see how you would be a sock of someone who's been blocked when you're so nice. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000119:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some people can fool you but I'm not one of those. Yep, I'm nice. Ha! :D I debated commenting on the original investigation but after talking with @Spiderone decided not to. It would have just further added to the mess that that user created. For the life of me I can't understand why people want to be disruptive like that. Oh well, back to life and editing. Thanks again. --ARoseWolf
It really bothered me for weeks that someone completely unrelated would use my mothers name which I used as my former user name. Why that name? Its like they specifically targeted the Change User page and chose mine out of all the others. That angst went away when they were blocked indefinitely. The angst briefly returned when I looked at my watchlist and saw this. --ARoseWolf19:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully it'll be resolved soon. I kinda wish EnPassant would've made sure they got the right user first. I might actually add your username and the blocked user's username to WP:Editors who may be confused with the statement of "Both user's former usernames look nearly identical, with the g being the only difference" so this doesn't happen again. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000120:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that I was actually wrong in my initial identification of the fake g. The correct unicode is U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G which appears as ɡ. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000121:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for editing your comments and getting it right, Blaze. It may not have been mandatory but I still say the courteous thing to have done would have been to notify me. I will make it a point if I ever do file an investigation to make sure and notify the other person as a gesture of good faith on my part. --ARoseWolf
No problem! You can thank ev on Discord for letting me know about my error! In a situation like this I want to be as accurate as possible. (also the characters are so similar, the only difference besides the unicode number is the word script in their name) ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000121:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Need to talk to someone
Hey! I really just need someone to talk to right now. I just dealt with a really annoying troll and now I'm very tired and don't really wanna do anything else right now. I'm really just kinda.. i dunno, annoyed? I don't really know what the right term would be. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000101:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I missed this, Blaze. I usually spend my mornings on Wikipedia but once it "warms" (Susun will find my use of that word to be funny) up a little I go out to do some work and play. I hope you found someone to talk to. I used to have Discord years ago but I had to let that go. I have some very fond memories of some amazing Songs I met on Discord that I still very much love and hope are doing the very best. There isn't a moment that goes by in which I don't think about everyone I have met along the way including all of you here. --ARoseWolf11:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ALthough there is something that I would really like your opinion on. I know we're not really supposed to use Wikipedia as social media but I really want your response on this. About a week ago in my biology class we watched the movie I Am Legend, and we never finished it but there's this one scene in the movie that is just burned into my memory, and it's not really something I want to continue remembering. I'd rather not go into too much detail because as I said, I really don't want to remember it. What I'm wanting your opinion on is how would I be able to forget something like that? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have no clue what modus operandi means I would prefer not to do that as my email uses my real name which I'd prefer to stay private for the time being. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#000115:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, I understand perfectly. Modus operandi just means that's my method for doing things. I rarely forget things once I have seen or experience them but I have been known to block some experiences out of my mind, especially from my early childhood. Contrary to popular belief it is not always bad to have uncomfortable feelings about certain subjects. Sometimes it pulls us out of our comfort zone and can be used to focus our thoughts and skills on our goals. My standard for getting rid of bad thoughts is to find something that makes me happy to think about or engage in. --ARoseWolf15:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Hi, Blaze. I'm a talk page watcher here, and "modus operundi" means "typical way of doing things". (It's what the term "M.O." originates from, and it comes from Latin.) More importantly, it's quite normal to have times of feeling "down" about Wikipedia – I've had a lot of that myself. And for whatever it may be worth, I've been noticing recently what a kindly and helpful presence you have been on Wikipedia, so please know that this was noticed and is very much appreciated. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inviting anyone that watches my talk page to look at User:ARoseWolf/Wild River (Alaska) and offer ideas, suggestions or really anything. You can even do your own research and make edits if you like. I have a lot of sources found in mineral studies and explorations done by government and private entities prior to my coming here. I know the river and surrounding area well having been on it for going on four years now but none of that is coming into play because its OR. I have only added what I can source and know to be true. Feel free to play around with it if you wish. I enjoy writing about the area I am in, the challenge of finding sources for it and the ability to collaborate with amazing people like yourselves. --ARoseWolf18:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I lived in Haines, Alaska for about 17 years before my brothers and I used inheritance funds we got from my parents estate to purchase land up here. We have been expanding boundaries ever since. Shockingly to some, the land wasn't as wild when we moved here as it is even now. There was fencing we removed to allow the caribou herds to pass through. We've expanded to more than ten cabins (the remains of many more) and two houses, a smoke house, tanning barn, cold storage, two green houses, three air strips and a float plane dock, among many other auxiliary buildings to hold equipment. It's spread over 15 square miles of rugged mountains, deep forests, wide valleys and open plains. --ARoseWolf18:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes it feels like we are running a town. Nothing about it is notable enough to include here yet. I plan to publish some books one day so maybe it will become notable enough. --ARoseWolf18:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! So I decided that I would start a draft on Splatoon 3 (currently at Draft:Splatoon 3). Obviously it's very much a WIP as currently it's just things related to Splatoon 3 that are in Splatoon#Splatoon 3 and a list of references. However I am actually going to expand it once I get home! I was wondering if you could provide some help. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654514:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, you know I will help any way I can. I am very much not the one to go to about video games (the last one I ever played was some game my youngest brother picked up back in the 90's). lol Firefangledfeathers might want to help too and I've run across a few others that enjoy discussing video games. I'll look into the draft and see what I can find that may be of use to you. --ARoseWolf14:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright thank you! I know ferret is great at video game stuff (they've helped out with video game related things) however I doubt they'll assist me in my draft. Thanks for being willing to help though! ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654514:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Diplomacy!
The Barnstar of Diplomacy
A small sign of my appreciation of how well you handled the situation at Iván_Zarco, and this ought to be co-awarded to @Ymblanter: too; you both dealt with that with a civility and professionalism that is exemplary for ANI
Elemimele It's okay, my talk page didn't turn out the way I wanted. If I could keep it open ended where I didn't have to move that crazy closing parenthesis down it would be great. I'm just not that tech savvy. Thank you so much for the recognition. You are so sweet and I am very appreciative of your ideas at ANI which spurred the effort to help clear up the dispute. It takes us as a community working to improve the encyclopedia. Thank you for editing the article, Ymblanter --ARoseWolf19:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ARoseWolf: There might be a way to do that. I could probably ask Levi_OP if he knows anything about how to do that as he's very knowledgeable in wikimarkup (which is what this uses i'm fairly sure). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, ARoseWolf. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.
If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.
Hello ARoseWolf! Just checking in to see if you’ve had an opportunity to finish reviewing the edit request I posted on the Wyss Foundation Talk page yet. You had mentioned at WikiProject Protected areas that you were trying to get a second set of eyes. Any help would be much appreciated, as you’re the only editor who has responded to me. Thank you! ZH for Wyss Foundation (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
October 2021 at Women in Red
Women in Red| October 2021, Volume 7, Issue 10, Numbers 184, 188, 209, 210, 211
I love the quote you added to your talk page. I kinda wish I was as insightful as that. I found a quote someone made on Teahouse and threw it into a user subpage to remember, and then I forgot what that user subpage is. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654517:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, I added a diff to the actual discussion in order to attribute the statement to its author. Very grateful for the words shared and I very much desire to emulate this in every conversation. --ARoseWolf17:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The photo used for June Marlowe is not correct for the silent screen actress born Gisela Goetten. There was an actress in the 30s who used the same name and this photo is of her. --Ruthmarvinwebster (talk) 23:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ruthmarvingwebster, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'll look into this immediately and see if I can find where there may be an error. If you can find a proper image that is not copyrighted then it can be uploaded to Commons and used in place of this image but it must meet the requirements (See WP:IMAGE). --ARoseWolf15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Robert Edwomu Aka HE Robmarly, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm not sure if I know what you are asking but if you could clarify I could possibly direct you to a specific location that could. If you are wanting to edit your user page you can find instructions here (WP:UP). If you are trying to edit an article then you can find useful links that I have left on your user talk page. If you are talking about your edit history or page history you can view this link that details what that is (WP:PAGEHIST). Please clarify further if I can assist you. --ARoseWolf15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate further on what RoseWolf said, if you're trying to remove something from your contributions that's not something that can be done unless it qualifies for a rev deletion. If there's a page on you (if your name is supposed to represent a real person and if so please contact the WMF to confirm you are indeed who your username says you are) then you have a Conflict of Interest and are advised to not edit the page related to you directly. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654515:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thought to be gentle and call it useless instead of hypocritical and thus enlightening, but whatever suits you... If you really believe that you are well-placed to lecture others on civility, then you are sorely misguided. I don't pretend to be the shining beacon of civility and humanity, but at least with me people know that they can expect some honesty, no matter what side they're on. Next time you feel the need to start preaching about civility again, don't. Fram (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You may choose to cherry pick my words to fit your narrative of a particular situation if you so desire. I have invited anyone who wishes to inspect the discussion and come to their own conclusion to do so. I will continue to discuss civility as often as I wish and in the manner that I deem correct based on WP:CIV. Thank you. --ARoseWolf17:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the entirety of the situation however, depending on where the subject of the convo was at that point, Rose's comment may or may not have been appropriate. HOwever I don't really think adding a hat to parts of the convo was really the right thing to do. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654518:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ARoseWolf’s comment was not appropriate, helpful to anyone, or useful in any way, while hatting was appropriate and in face long overdue when it happened. —JBL (talk) 00:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
JayBeeEll, thank you for your opinion. It is an opinion after all. Others can make up their own mind whether civility is an important issue on the encyclopedia or a noble cause to discuss. I believe the both of you made your choice quite evident during the uncivil episode at AN/I. --ARoseWolf08:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I fully agree that "civility is an important issue on the encyclopedia or a noble cause to discuss". That doesn't mean that either where and when you choose to discuss it was well chosen, or that the way you do it is productive (or even very believable). It is perfectly possible to believe that civility is important, and disagree with your approach at the same time. E.g. telling someone that their use of "petty" seems condescending[4] brings two or three words to mind, and bizarrely "petty" and "condescending" are among them. A self appointed civility police going around with unwanted advice over extremely minor points really isn't the thing ANI (or enwiki in general) needs. Fram (talk) 08:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A thousand times this -- civility is important, but your contributions were inane and could not possibly have contributed to a general increase in civility. Meanwhile they directly detracted from an important discussion about an extremely serious breach of acceptable conduct. And I can't help but agree with Fram that a person who writes It is an opinion after all has no business lecturing other people on condescension or pettiness. --JBL (talk) 10:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Page harder to use in mobile view
You are probably not aware of this, but due to the markup / layout of your user talk page, it is harder to use in mobile view. this is what people see when they access it, and this is what they get when to go directly to a section (e.g. from a contribution or history page). While everything then can be accessed via the "Read as Wiki page" link, it is less user-friendly: and when seen on a normal (small) mobile screen, the text width is not adapted, meaning that one has to scroll sideways to read every line. Fram (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram: I don't really see what the issue is. It might be different when the mobile version is viewed from a laptop. But I do think it would be a good idea to fix this. Do you have any suggestions? (I'm not RoseWolf, I just watch their talk page and answer questions when they're not on). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654513:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you try it from a smartphone? The issue (for me) is that I don't get the table of contents straight away, that when I click on a section link (e.g. in a page history) I don't go to the section but to the basic view (again without a table of contents and so on), and that when I then open the page via the "read as a Wikipage" link, all sections are wider than the screen size, forcing readers to scroll on every single line of text (this isn't standard behaviour, e.g. my user talk page, which has no extra layout, doesn't do this). The simplest suggestion is to remove all extra layouting from the page, but that's rather radical. Perhaps the people at WP:VPT will have more experience with the issue and possible solutions. Fram (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I use a laptop and a tablet. Perhaps a disclaimer stating that mobile users might have some difficulty with the layout would work in the interim but I will endeavor to find a solution to make the page more user friendly for mobile application without removing all of the formatting, as suggested. --ARoseWolf14:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. There probably are a lot of users in the same situation, most editors don't look at their own talk page on a smartphone, but many newbies and IPs might (don't get me started on editing in the mobile view from a smartphone, which is terrible in nearly all circumstances). Fram (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was suggested from the source of the format that it was best viewed using that particular browser. I don't use that browser but I thought it best to keep it closest to the original suggestion. If it helps, you don't have to ping me on my own talk page. I have issues with those formats all the time. Forget one little part of it and it doesnt work. Might save you some headache. :) --ARoseWolf14:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram:, has anything done made it easier to view? A couple of editors have offered suggestions and one has tried to help. I will continue working on it to improve it. --ARoseWolf19:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was working in mobile (though not as pretty in desktop view) after my edit, but a subsequent edit that moved the table-ending code back to the bottom of the page has caused the mobile view to stop showing the TOC again. If that's the way you want it, it's OK with me; this is just FYI. To fix it for mobile and make it less pretty again, add a second table-closing code before the first talk section header. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher just swinging by) I wouldn't worry about it. There are a bunch of other discussion pages I can think of that are also styled with a table (some for nearly 15 years), and I haven't ever seen any complaints about those. If we're gonna pursue a solution, it would be more effective to address all of those pages at once. Enterprisey (talk!) 05:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's still the same for me, but if I'm the only one having a minor issue here, there is perhaps no need to change it. Wikipedia is (apart from reading articles I guess) very mobile-unfriendly in general, so tackling one user talk page on its own may not be the most efficient way to deal with this. I keep my pages as "clean" as possible (wrt markup) to avoid these issues, but there are many editors who don't bother, and they don't seem to get complaints about it either... Fram (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On a personal level, Fram, I didn't view this as a complaint but a genuine request and I take that as such and will still work to try and find a solution. There may not be one out there but if I can find one and it is mobile-user friendly while maintaining some of the formatting then I will definitely incorporate it. --ARoseWolf16:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good, my post wasn't meant as a complaint: I meant that I hadn't seen "real" complaints, people who wanted to address you but had trouble because of the layout. Mine was intended (and received) as a friendly heads-up, so we're all good. Fram (talk) 07:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ismailyousafzai: Hello Ismail! I don't think RoseWolf would know what the postalcode of the Union councis of Pakistan is as they do not live there. I also don't know what the postal code would be as I also do not live there. You might have better luck asking on the talk page of the article. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654522:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your defiance to unfairness! One pic of yesterday's concert is there now, everybody applauding everybody, and rightly so. - Imagine, when we (choir) finished the Gloria fugue in the dress rehearsal, tenor soloist Fabian Kelly spontaneously turned to us and applauded, - deserves an article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, standing in beauty, adding color to the surrounding land, even if it must stand out and stand alone. The stand is worth it to bring attention and awareness to our humanity and the worth and dignity that comes with it but is so often disregarded. :) --ARoseWolf17:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay, my friend, just getting the final things accomplished before Winter really sets in. I am planning to take some of the time when I break for Winter and focus on what I want to do here when I come back in the Spring. I am going to refocus my energy a little. It was a crazy year with me getting sick about halfway through it so I haven't been able to regain the consistency and focus I had late last year before the Winter break. I have never been a drain on anyone nor have I ever been anything but a net positive in every life I have come in contact with or anything I have been involved with even when we failed to accomplish every goal along the way. I'm not about to start that now. I will, I must, contribute to the encyclopedic purpose of the project while maintaining my stance and views on civility and building the community through goodwill, love and communication and I will continue to hold myself and others accountable to each foundational pillar equally. --ARoseWolf14:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello ARoseWolf. I want to give you a brief commet on your recent ANI post - take it or leave it, just my quick reaction since you clearly gave this some thought. You have seen, I presume, that my name arose when an editor appeared at an unrelated complaint (unnecessary in my view) about a different editor to redirect attention to me. That kind of gratuitous redirection is almost always a red flag of a battleground grudge. In this case, for whatever reason, that editor has a history of suddenly appearing to, let's say, criticize me in various WP venues.
I believe I already addressed the accusations of canvassing, and that you acknowledged my response. Thanks. I just want to point out what may not be obvious: I have edited and followed the Assange page for a long time. If I had intended to canvass editors favorable to my position in the RfC, I could have named at least 10 who would be likely to agree with me on the BLP and NPOV and V concerns I raised on the article talk page. That would have been canvassing. I don't do that sort of thing. There are many good NPOV editors and Admins who have edited that page and then quit, many with expressions of disappointment at the futility of trying to collaborate on that page -- due to the factors I cited in my notifications. Those are self-declared biases of various editors, not my view of them. They are the reason we need more uninvolved eyes on the article. My pings of the two editors I saw take an interest in the sourcing issue may have been poor judgment, but it was not any sort of attempt to canvass in plain sight. I don't do that, just as I don't edit-war or launch personal attacks on article talk pages. I'm not that foolish and I'm experienced enough to know that such behavior is neither constructive nor productive.
That article and its talk page are among the most problematic and broken I've seen on WP. If you have any interest, you can see all kinds of apalling things on the talk page there. I'm not among the most frequent posters, but I seem to have annoyed some of the -- shall we say -- most "motivated" contributors there. I can't help that, but if you have any further interest, a look at the article and talk pages may provide a sense of the context of the attempt to pivot the ANI thread against me. Just 2 cents from me. Thanks for your participation. SPECIFICOtalk14:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SPECIFICO, thank you for leaving a response here. I fully believe you did what you did in good faith. I think it may have lead to the appearance of subtle canvassing with some of the word choice and the selective pinging, as I have stated, but done so in good faith. I'm not a very political person and I don't usually take the favoring side in a lot of discussions simply because I can see things from multiple perspectives and can speak to what I see only. I'm not the most educated or intelligent person but I know enough to be dangerous and I do rely on instincts and empathic feelings and I also study people more than most think. Sometimes the way I word things makes it hard to understand my actual position but that's just because English is not my original language. I did want to bring out the point that I believed what you did was in good faith even if I felt a little misguided or in poor taste, not judgment. It just struck me wrong, especially the second part of the sentence and that's why I suggested striking it as a sort of compromise. I really have an issue getting through uncivil discussions and at some point I just turn off. I have more important things to do than sit here reading how one person thinks another person "smells like elderberries and eats their broccoli without cheese (tongue in cheek)". I wouldn't actually repeat some of the things I've read but that gives the clear indication how I feel about its relevance to the overall collaborative effort. --ARoseWolf14:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Low self confidence
Hey Rose! So I"ve been having some issues with my confidence lately. I've started to become unsure of myself and I Feel like I'm screwing something up whenever I make an edit. I just feel like in every edit I make, I'm doing something wrong. I used to be pretty good with anti-vandal work however ever since I screwed up in undoing an edit where an IP rightfully removed info on an oversightable article (not going into specifics because the article is oversightable) I'm questioning my anti-vandal work. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654517:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf: There is nothing wrong with pausing for introspection. It's very healthy and necessary, just don't stay inside too long. Everyone has their confidence shaken at some point. It's perfectly natural and you shouldn't be too worried. You did something bold and messed up. We all do. The point is you admit it and make the corrections so you don't make the same mistake. Rest assured, there will be others. That's the only guarantee. Don't be so hard on yourself though. Your contributions are welcomed and appreciated. Keep howling at that moon, Wolf. :) --ARoseWolf17:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note: When in doubt, edit an article on a river, glacier or mountain. its really fun and constructive and fairly easy to find info on. ;) --ARoseWolf18:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze, you can't get bogged down with worry over that. It's like getting mad at the sled stuck in the muddy snow and ice without realizing its you that is bogging it down. Get off your own case and don't prosecute yourself so harshly. I have never seen any indication that any admin here is unreasonable nor do they block on a whim. There is usually a long train of disruptive behavior and nothing you did, from what I can tell, is disruptive. Just learn and move on. It's part of being bold. <3<3 --ARoseWolf18:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question from Arnodenhond (13:03, 22 October 2021)
Hi there! I see you are my mentor? I need advice from a person who is not a follower of the Bible, please. I have compared the article about the Bible to those about Scientology and Deepak Chopra and I noticed that the article about the bible lacks any significant criticism. According to atheist scholar Richard Dawkins there is plenty in the Bible to criticize, so I tried adding it to the article but a Bible follower keeps reverting my contributions calling them openly hostile. If you are not a follower of the Bible, could you please advise me on how to make the article about the Bible as neutral as the articles about Scientology and Deepak Chopra? Thank you. --Arnodenhond (talk) 13:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've been expressing my concerns on the talk page of article in question but so far without success so I might try the WikiProject you suggested. Thank you. Arnodenhond (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Arnodenhond, I am not a follower of the Bible, per se. I believe we can find legitimate teachings in most religious texts but there is also a lot of not so good stuff in there too. I was raised on the Torah, though, as my Father's family are German-Jews. One question I have and I want to preface this by saying it is not a criticism of you but what does being a follower or not have to do with the inclusion of criticism in a Wikipedia article on the Bible? I would hope that even Christians would welcome criticism. I know my parents and grandparents welcomed our own criticisms of Judaism and allowed us each to decide our own path. I chose a more traditional path rooted in my American Indian heritage but also includes other religious practices from around the world. Back on point, I read the conversation on the article talk page and I don't see a dismissal of your position or views. To the contrary, I see a healthy debate and discussion taking place. Ultimately, Wikipedia relies on reputable, reliable and verifiable sources and what they say about a subject. If you have criticisms and those criticisms are found in reliable sources then propose what you feel needs to be added and allow the community to decide if they agree or not. What you want to avoid is a n edit war because that will lead to enforcement actions to protect the encyclopedia. That would be a very big shame because I think you have a lot to offer the encyclopedia with your viewpoints and experiences. --ARoseWolf18:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I have a question. I have a Wikipedia account under another username that goes back to 2006. That's 15 years of history. Last fall, I had to use my wireless provider for Internet service and apparently Wikipedia had declared the IP of my wireless service provider's Internet to be corrupt. I was no longer able to edit with my long held username. So last December, I opened account with my current username after I had Internet service from a source that was not blacklisted by Wikipedia. This was all done in good faith as I had no control of my wireless company's Internet service. I know I cannot merge my old account with my current account, but I don't want to lose the 15 years credit that I have from my old account. Do you have any advice? --Jmr012 (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jmr012: This looks rather strange to me. You should be able to log in through any network service provider as long as you can remember your password. If not, I suggest an immediate way of not losing your history would be to remind people of your earlier account on your new user page. You may find additional help at Help:Reset password and Help:Logging in.--Ipigott (talk) 13:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay, Ian. Thank you for asking about me. Just in a bustle to get the last few things ready for Winter in the middle of snow flurries. Smoked fish is delicious, btw. I should be more active this week as the number of things left to do dwindles. I'm trying to add info boxes to as many geological formation articles as possible (mountains, rivers, lakes and glaciers). There are well over 10,000 articles that actually could use or need an info box in that category so its something that I can work on slowly as I figure out the next direction to move in here. I appreciate you answering the questions above. Very thoughtful responses. I apologize to those leaving questions here and will endeavor to answer them as quickly after they come in as possible. I have amazing people watching my talk page and their insight is so valuable. --ARoseWolf13:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
November 2021 at Women in Red
Women in Red| November 2021, Volume 7, Issue 11, Numbers 184, 188, 210, 212, 213
Ritchie333, every now and again I do something right and I never seek acknowledgement of it but I am thankful when it comes my way. I appreciate you very much. Most every interaction I have had with you throughtout my time here surrounds the need for a little empathy and understanding and you always seem to step up to the plate. I admire that in you. --ARoseWolf15:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's just part of who I am. I always look out for people who create content and look out for those who do or who want to see better articles. I especially look out for those who are not the stereotypical early to mid 20s computer nerd (worked example) who can bring a different flavour of life to the table. I don't like people who prioritise "teh rulez" over articles, but I don't snap at them as much as I once did, so I guess I'm getting better. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)19:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe there is a happy medium if people are willing to seek it out. We can prioritize the rules and maintain good articles while also ignoring the rules where it is appropriate to do so but IAR should only be utilized sparingly. It should not become a rule in itself else that throws us into a weird paradox in which you must ignore the rule on ignoring the rules. I swear that is how society will eventually break (lol). I'm good with my caribou and ptarmigan. --ARoseWolf13:37, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm actually going to ask you something related to changing a table to be different since I'm unsure what would be appropriate in the situation. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Changing table
Hey Rose! So I'm asking you first as I don't actually know where I could ask this. I'm wanting to change the table for the country DLC on Euro Truck Simulator 2 to match the style of the one on American Truck Simulator however I"m not sure if removing the description of each DLC would be appropriate in this situation. My guess would be yes because it simply just describes when it was announced, what countries it included, and then when it released and any updates to the DLC. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would approach that by asking myself a couple of questions. One, are the changes I want to make going to enhance or improve the article from where it is right now? Two, are the changes major enough that it may be a better decision to offer them to the community or seek community consensus? Three, what benefit does making the changes offer a potential reader or researcher looking at the altered article versus what there is now? If you can answer those questions satisfactorily then I see no issue with making the alterations. Be prepared to make your case if it is reverted. --ARoseWolf19:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
1. Yes (will state why in 3) 2. I have no clue but I"m gonna be bold and assume it isn't and do it. 3. Currently (on my screen size) the table is rather big and would probably be best if shrunk down (I also think the DLC section should be condensed but that's something for me to discuss as the answer to 2 for that would be yes). I simply wasn't sure if there was some policy on it that would guide me in what to do. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can try MOS:TABLES and see if there is anything in there that may give you some insight. Beyond that I am not sure of any specific policy that would preclude you from altering or making changes to a table within an article. --ARoseWolf20:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your prior mentorship regarding this subject! I don’t wish to drag you into the discussion, but if you are interested, I believe some additional guidance might be in order. In my view, the discussion has strayed into a mud-slinging contest on, among other things, what constitutes hate speech. And the editor in question (I’d put their name here to ping them but cannot recall it, and am on mobile, sorry - feel free to edit it in) still seems to think we are trying to silence the atheist and/or agnostic viewpoint when we have tried to make clear the opposite is true.
Rather, our concerns are on (1) the appropriateness of a lengthy quote (or any quote) in an overlong lead; (2) the appropriateness of a quote from someone not in the field of Biblical scholarship; (3) the appropriateness of adding material to the lead that is not covered in the rest of the article; (4) whether the quote in question actually represents the general atheist or agnostic consensus (when lacking RSs to that end); (5) when a particularly caustic quote from someone not shy about publicizing their hatred for a group constitutes “hate speech” rather than an RS; (6) probably others I am forgetting.
We have suggested alternatives that we think would conform to WP standards and well-express the viewpoint in question, including possible RSS, since the nonreligious viewpoint is indeed underrepresented in the article, but further constructive discussion seems doubtful at this point. That is why I am stepping back and inviting opinions/feedback from established, interested editors. Thank you. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jtrevor99, I responded to this and the other ping on the article talk page. I don't know how helpful it was but hopefully it will remind us of our purpose here and bring everyone back to the table once they have cooled off for a little while. You all are working hard to improve the article and that should be commended. The fact that you all are willing to listen to differing opinions and contemplate how best to include properly sourced criticisms means it is going in the right direction, even if detours are taken on occasion. Stick with it, don't give up, and maintain the understanding that we are all human and there is no opinion that matters to us more than our own. --ARoseWolf19:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Winter Break
I see that you're going on a winter break. Given that you live in Alaska which I both do and don't want to visit eventually I'd assume your winters are much harsher than the ones here in Nebraska. I just hope that you continue to stay safe during the Alaskan winter and not die due to inhale Frostbite, car crash, slipping on ice, getting snowed in, getting run off the road, sliding off the road, getting run over by a snow plow (if there are snow plows in Alaska), getting trapped under ice, carbon monoxide poisoning (shouldn't be a problem as long as you're smart), and getting impaled by an icicle. Yes I did think of the many ways you can die in winter. Are they likely? Nope. Jokes aside, I do hope that you stay safe and don't do anything too stupid during your break. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ya I forgot meese (i'm using that as the plural for moose because I like it and it's engraved into my brain even though it's incorrect) are in Alaska and that they're dangerous. The equivalent to meese in Nebraska and probably a good majority of the continental US would be deer. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, Let me see if I can narrow those down. I have actually had mild frostbite the first year we lived up here. I had to take my daughter to Bettle's by dog sled because planes couldn't land. She had a serious infection that would have killed her. All things considered, frostbite didn't matter to me. I don't own a car so that's out. Could slip on ice, I have fun and not so fun stories. Getting snowed in a favorite pastime here. No roads. Don't have a snow plow. To get trapped under ice you have to fall into the icy water which I plan to avoid except at crossings which are locations that could be dangerous but are generally safer as they are more travelled on the trails. Icicles could be my nemesis though. lol Thank you for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf19:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I actually didn't know dog sleds were still used as a form of transportation in Alaska. I thought they were simply used in sports now. I learned something new (also that kinda reminds me of the story of Balto which was a dog sled race to transport medicine to a city in Alaska). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Clpo13, I may just steal that and incorporate a community by that name here. Don't be surprised if there is an article at AfD soon titled Moose Bites, Alaska. HogFarm would appreciate not, I'm sure. Good folks here. I appreciate all of you. --ARoseWolf19:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, when I said snow plow I actually meant more along the lines of a dump truck with a plow on the front for clearing snow (see Winter service vehicle). They're pretty common here in Nebraska, especially during winter. I can only imagine how much I would suffer in an Alaskan winter (especially considering I ride my bike home from school so I would probably have to walk home because I would get stuck in snow) ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's really cute! (random fact about huskies: They're actually really skinny, most of their mass comes from all their fluff. I know this because I own a dog that's part Siberian husky part black lab and she has the frame of a husky but everything else is a lab). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unsolicited "We have huskies too!" Since we live in northern Illinois it's unlikely they are going to pull any sleds, but I'm sure they'd like to talk about it. Hope you're feeling better. You wolf-folks stick together and stay warm. Kindness is an increasingly rare virtue and I appreciate yours. BusterD (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Letting some November light shine in your winter break, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Today we "celebrate" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox, - needlessly complicated but working. Enjoy your break! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At User talk:Jimbo Wales#Maybe you and / or your page watchers can help?, you decide to lecture User:Mztourist on tact and civility, and at the same time accuse them of following another editor around. In reality, one editor started forumshopping, another editor hopped on the bandwagon to get support at an AfD that didn't go their way, and the nominator of the AfD replied. Mztourist addressed the contents, to which User:Dream Focus replied with "Kindly read the rest of the discussion. " which isn't about the contents but implicates that Mztourist made an uninformed reply. And then you decide to lecture Mztourist? In what universe is that a helpful post that would actually increase civility, instead of an inflammatory passive-agressive taking of sides and once again ignoring the actual problem. "knowing when to offer constructive comments and when it's best to just let it go. ": practice what you preach. Fram (talk) 09:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There was no forum shopping. An equal number of people said Keep as Delete in the AFD in question. It will most likely end in no consensus. Anyway, Jimbo Wales was discussing "African American history and subjects" with someone, and I pointed out the racist media of the time wouldn't give them the same coverage as others, and that's where the conversation was going. Masem showed up and gave some good feedback on the issue. This was before Mztourist showed up to reply to something I said about the example I gave of the current AFD, missing the point I was making about the issue we were discussing. [5] So me asking him to "Kindly read the rest of the discussion." is not an insult. Please assume good faith. DreamFocus09:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The forum shopping was by the OP, you are the "another editor hopped on the bandwagon". And obviously it's rather ironic that on the one had, you simply assmue that someone hasn't read the rest of the discussion, but point out AGF anyway. But my concern is not with what was said at the discussion (by you, Mztourist, ...), but with our resident civility controller. Fram (talk) 09:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fram, as always you are entitled to your opinion. I choose to disregard any further comment you make concerning my actions here so if you want to continue to comment then you do so without a response from me. If you feel I have done something against Wikipedia policy then, by all means, take me before the proper actionable venue, otherwise, your comments aren't any more helpful than you view mine. Have a good rest of your day. :) --ARoseWolf13:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have interacted with Mztourist before and my view is they are a bit of a grump, which is not a sanctionable offence (I have previously blocked them, but it wasn't for being grumpy). That said, he shouldn't give the impression of following Dream Focus around, and for the record, neither should the reverse happen. Just because Dream Focus asserts a view that Mztourist disagrees with (or vice versa), it does not imply that the rest of the community implicitly agrees with it. Finally, ARoseWolf is a kind, caring and considerate person, and you would realise that after having spent time looking at some of her background on her user page. Please do not refer to her as "the civility police". Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ritchie333 why do you feel the need to come and make this borderline personal attack on me? Let's clarify, you blocked me for edit warring even though I was trying to follow procedure, which I thought was totally unreasonable. You're an admin, try showing some impartiality. Mztourist (talk) 05:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If she stops acting as the civility police (or, failing that, as the one-sided civility police), I'll stop referring to her like that. I don't judge people by the "background on her user page", I don't treat people differently because their background indicates or gives the impression of being "kind, caring and considerate" or not: I look at their actual actions here, and too often their kind and caring civility posts are nothing of the kind, they only serve to add noise to discussions, targeting one side while ignoring the other one, and that over extremely minor issues. I don't know if they are very poorly executed good intentions, or attempts to rile up one side shrouded in "look at how good I am" posts, but the posts weren't helpful in any of the occasions I posted about them. Fram (talk) 13:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My very last comment on this thread: My comments on civility are microcosms within a discussion. I do not follow people around to other discussions to see the complete picture of what they are saying. The only reason I know Mztourist followed DF to Jimbo's page is because I have followed the AN/I discussion concerning them and I have noted and even commented on lesson's learned recently. I also follow and periodically comment on Jimbo's talk page.
I will not abandon my belief that civility is deeper than just words. I also told you that, while I may take your words to heart, it will not change or alter my motivation which has been formed over decades of living life and experiencing life through my own eyes and seeing the affect we can have on each other. What I write is not always to the benefit of the person I am speaking to directly. It is not noise and it is not meant to stir up anything other than a genuine desire to bring attention to the way we deal with each other here and in life.
I don't have to pick a side to want DF to be able to comment without having their comment always followed up with a "here's why I think you are wrong", whether you or Mztourist thinks it is ill developed or not. You tend to make a lot of assumptions about others and refuse to take to heart truly what they are saying and instead impart your own interpretations but the reality is that not everyone thinks like you. Mmmm, where have I heard that before? Thus we have a conflict of interests as human beings. You fail at the very same things you keep throwing at me as remedies for my own failures of which I have many. You can choose to disregard my comments, and that's okay, maybe they aren't for you. Maybe, just maybe, they are for someone else.
If choosing kindness is a crime then I am guilty. If choosing to bring attention to civility is wrong then count me in that number. Ever thought that not everyone has a motivation that is devious in nature? It is easy in a sea of discussions to find those I have missed and maybe DF has been uncivil to Mztourist in other discussions, but I didn't go looking for it. It popped up on my watchlist. And if the roles were reversed in that discussion, I would have done and said the same exact thing. You missed the mark on this one, Fram, because the person you learn about by reading my talk page and user page is the same human being writing these words right now. Deeply principled and rooted in life lessons that are very old despite my age because they continue to be bigger than you or me. As I stated, I hope you have a great rest of your day and continued happiness. --ARoseWolf14:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see, you have perfectly valid reasons to comment there, but if MzTourist comments there he is following DF around? It is not possible that they e.g. followed the exact same path, and also has JW's talk page watchlisted (I know I do, that's how I saw this). And their great incivility in that discussion is ... well, not clear really, they should have used more tact apparently, somehow, in some undescribed way; but DF stating that they should read the entire discussion is perfectly tactful? Anyway, I see that you have gone a lot further now, with the accusation "you shouldn't be following DF around and commenting everywhere they post. This is the tact I am speaking about. It's borderline hounding in my opinion." I sure hope you have the necessary diffs to show that Mztourist is actually doing what you are stating here, and not just at one discussion on JW's talk page where DF raised the issue of an AfD which Mztourist started in the first place (remember the "talking behind people's back issue"?). Because what you did there are serious WP:NPA violations without the necessary evidence to back it up. Fram (talk) 14:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You know what, let me help you. From the last few weeks, apart from interacting at the ANI discussion and at JW talk page, we have:
And that's it, as far as I see. So please tell me, how will you substantiate your personal attack, accusing Mztourist of "commenting everywhere they post" and "borderline hounding"? Fram (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Different situation in those examples. If its tagged for help on the Rescue list, I check it out. If its on the Wikiproject list for lists on Wikipedia, I of course see it. The Herbert V. Clark AFD I went to 9 days after he started it, Lightburst adding that name to the Template:Tuskegee Airmen so probably how I noticed it, don't really remember. Anyway, passing by chance, and following to argue, are two different things. I don't really care, just wanted to clarify your examples so people didn't see that and think I was following him. DreamFocus15:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't want to imply that either, your paths cross from time to time, and I don't see your edits as anywhere near borderline hounding or commenting everywhere they post either. Fram (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
November 2021
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Jimbo Wales. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. You apparently have no intention to address the personal attack here (see discussion above). If you make such accusations, you need to back them up with solid evidence, or retract them.Fram (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, dear admin, so it's fine to disregard personal attacks if the editor making them has "disengaged"? May I suggest that if this is all you can offer, instead of trying in editors you are so gushing about, that you perhaps find something else to do? It isn't the first time that you have tried to direct me away from actually addressing problematic behaviour by editors (e.g. the recent LouisAlain discussion and elsewhere) instead of actually dealing with the problems. As you should be well aware, going straight to ANI is frowned upon, editors usually need to have a history of attempts at discussion and clear warnings before ANI will intervene. Fram (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone else has said this is a personal attack. ARoseWolf is now taking a lengthy wiki break for the winter, taking it early to avoid this, so can you please stay away from this talk page or you might be blocked for harassment. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)22:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fram, Ritchie333, could you guys both cool it? You’ve been at it for hours now. Ritichie you taught me self control, you know better than to do this. Fram come on, its enough. This is morphing into bickering, come on, you guys are better than this. Celestina007 (talk) 22:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Language diversity conversation on Maryana's listening tour
Osiyo! My name is Daniel and I’m the director of Wikitongues, which helps people get started with mother-tongue documentation and revitalization. We also maintain a User Group and have managed to get a slot on Maryana’s listening tour for a roundtable chat about language diversity. I would be honored if someone from Cherokee Wikipedia could join us -- either you or someone else whom you recommend. If you’re free this Wednesday 11/10 @ 10 am ET, I can add you to the calendar invite. (and I apologize for the short notice!)
@Bogreudell: Hello Bog! RoseWolf is currently on winter break and so unfortunately they won't be able to attend. I don't know of anyone else from Cherokee Wiki that she would recommend. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:04, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Blaze The Wolf: for your fast response! I hope RoseWolf has a nice winter break. Are you aware of a forum where Cherokee Wikipedia contributors gather? Perhaps I could post an open invitation there. Bogreudell (talk) 19:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bogreudell: No problem! I'm basically assisting other editors in managing her talk page while she's on break so that she doesn't have a huge backlog of stuff when she comes back. Unfortunately I don't know of any sort of forum like that. I don't really edit outside of English Wikipedia. You might be able to ask at the Teahouse or similar if anyone knows of such a place. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654519:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Elaine McKenna: Hello Elaine! Judging by your username, it is highly you do not edit the article directly due to it appearing that you have a Conflict of Interest. If you believe there's information on that article that's incorrect, leave an edit request on the talk page. See WP:EDITREQ for instructions on how to do this. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654514:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Samsonite Man at Alicia (album)
Hi. I pinged you a while back when @Samsonite Man: was being bullish about his challenged edits at Alicia (album) - there was a related ANI thread about him too, where you said you'd comment... Anyway, it's happening again. They are drudging up the same old challenged changes, not respecting BRD, etc. I've replied to their reasonings at the talk page --> Talk:Alicia_(album)#Samsonite_Man_continued_... <-- the fourth thread concerning an edit war/BRD situation between them at that talk page... Can you please intervene? I may have opened two ANI threads about this... Piotr Jr. (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotr Jr. and Samsonite Man: I love how it pings me when I have the generator running and the computer on. I'm just doing stuff around the house. Don't really have anything to do outside today. As Blaze points out I am, technically, on Winter Break and may be on sporadically but will be off most days. I'd rather not get involved in behavior disputes or go to AN/I to discuss anything. I find the majority of the discussions there to be drama which hurts the legitimate behavior issues that may be the actual subject of those discussions. However, not all discussions are that way and it serves a legitimate purpose. If you find the issues to be behavioral over content then I would suggest you seek help there. If it is more a content dispute then I would suggest you look at Dispute Resolution. I agree that I think you both do need some help resolving this as it seems to be escalating. Please, for the sake of the encyclopedia, I ask you both to remain civil and seek assistance with the dispute. I know I have been referred to as many things and some may feel I harp on civility a lot but I genuinely believe in it as a foundational principle. I am not perfect and I do make mistakes but it doesn't change the principle even when I fail at it. I hope you both find a way to resolve this. I will say that I do not believe BRD is negotiable outside of the set exceptions. That's just my observation based on my reading of it. I would not try to circumvent it or go anywhere near edit warring, even if the other party is not following BRD requirements. --ARoseWolf18:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze The Wolf, I may get on a few days here and there at first but there is usually a hard cutoff point. Last year I think it was in January but it became increasingly more difficult as the winter progressed. That's how it goes. --ARoseWolf13:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MCBOiS1210: Ah ok. Also please dont create another section to reply, simply just add a colon to your comment to indent it (2 since you'll be replying to me). How you join a WikiProject depends on the WikiProject. For the Department of Fun it appears all you have to do is add the member userbox to your userpage (userboxes are here). Before making a copyedit to an article I suggest you take a look at WP:CE first. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question from MCBOiS1210 (20:59, 18 November 2021)
Thank you, Blaze, for helping wile I am away. I just had a few minutes and logged on this afternoon. Was way too busy this morning. --ARoseWolf21:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question from MCBOiS1210 (21:27, 18 November 2021)
3:36 AM (-9 UTC), where I live.
