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Hwanbyeokdang Pavilion

Just started a little article on Hwanbyeokdang Pavilion. I can't find a picture does anyone know where to get one? (Msrasnw (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC))

Empress Myeongseong

• Empress Myeongseong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs) requests for move on Empress Myeongseong to Queen Min without any plausible argument nor evidence for his claim. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks.--Caspian blue 19:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice canvassing, CB. Sennen goroshi (talk) 19:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Drop the absurd accusation and personal attack, Sennen goroshi. You've warned for your absurd allegations to people. This talk page is to notify such RM, or anything to be discussed by editors if you do not know it until now. Look trough this Wikiproject or Japanese Project page. --Caspian blue 19:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I did not make a personal attack, I suggested that you were canvassing, that is all. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Not nice excuse for your behavior.--Caspian blue 20:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Queen Min? It is only common using word in Japan and few of the Korean. Therefore, Move on Empress Myeongseong to Queen Min is incorrect. --Historiographer (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Should "Queen Min" not be used dozens of times in the text of the article, then (as it is currently)? In the first instance it's not even noted that this is the same person as the person named in the lead. Badagnani (talk) 01:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

CB you make me smile at times, I love the way you said I had no plausible argument - when I outlined my reasons quite clearly. If any of my fellow WikiProject Korea members are interested, go to the related talk page.Sennen goroshi (talk) 16:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hirohito

The leader for Korea (1926-1945) while it was under Japanese rule, Hirohito is proposed to be renamed "Emperor Shōwa" via WP:RM 76.66.198.171 (talk) 08:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Category:Chinilpa

A request has been made to merge this category into Category:Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan. Discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 1#Category:Chinilpa. PC78 (talk) 14:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to convert Template:WikiProject Korea

A proposal has been made to convert our project banner template {{WikiProject Korea}} to use {{WPBannerMeta}}. Currently our banner looks like this:

and if converted it will look like this:

The purpose of this change is to simplify the template's code, making it easier to maintain in the future. The new template will also have other advantages over our current one. At the moment it is only possible to have one work group per article using the wg= parameter. The new template will make it possible to have as many work groups as is necessary, so for example typing:

{{WikiProject Korea|film=yes|nk=yes}}

will result in:

Any comments on this proposal should be made at Template talk:WikiProject Korea, but for what it's worth I think this is something worth doing. PC78 (talk) 15:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Please transcribe the Korean characters on this poster

Hi! Would someone please transcribe the Korean on this poster File:Sajwoehara.JPG so the text can be posted to the Liancourt Rocks article? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this image looks like a copyvio since it is entirely a derivative work of the poster, whose copyright status is unknown. I have tagged it as such on Commons. --Amble (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

No need; it's unlikely the poster creators will sue us; any reuse of their poster is good publicity for them. Badagnani (talk) 22:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "unlikely to get sued" is not good enough, not by a mile. Commons is for freely licensed material only. If there's a good rationale for fair use, it can be posted here (on en.wikipedia) instead. --Amble (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, here's the transcription: "독도 영유권 억지 주장을 되풀이하는 일본은 역사 앞에 사죄하라!" And at the bottom (Seoul Metropolitan Council): "서울특별시의회". --Amble (talk) 23:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I suppose we can get the poster moved onto EN. Anhow, I put the Korean into Google Translator and, judging from the way Google Translator "translated it" - I came up with "Japan, apologize for claiming the Liancourt Rocks in the face of history" and put it here: Liancourt_Rocks#Recent_conflict - If anyone can think of a better translation, please feel free to edit it :) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The file is deleted now from commons. I saved a copy, in case someone would like to post it on en.wikipedia with a fair use rationale and doesn't have the image available. --Amble (talk) 09:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/WP:KOREA cleanup

Just a note that per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/WP:KOREA cleanup, i've deleted the three sub pages listed there.--Tikiwont (talk) 09:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the reading of 가천의과학대학교 Gachon University of Medicine and Science?

What is the reading of 가천의과학대학교 Gachon University of Medicine and Science? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you looking for the romanization? [1] It's the same as before, with an extra "hak". Nice work updating the article. --Amble (talk) 09:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

What kinds of diplomatic activity does the Chongryon do? Any sources for that?

What kinds of diplomatic activity does the Chongryon in Japan do? Any sources? On Talk:Diplomatic_missions_of_North_Korea#Chongryon there was a debate over whether the Chongryon would count as a diplomatic mission of North Korea? Does the Chongryon do official DPRK government communication in Japan? What else does it do? WhisperToMe (talk) 20:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring at South Korea

A user has repeatedly removed cited information and images from South Korea#Religion, saying that it's POV and the sources are bad but not saying why. I went through and cleaned up what I could, removing POV assertions (like the assertion that Buddhism is the "largest religion in Korea," which was only sourced to a Buddhist website) and sources that are affiliated with Buddhism and whatnot; I also tried to improve the referencing style where I could (there are lots of bare URLs, so I converted some to {{cite web}}). But the user has continued to revert, without explaining why the sources are bad, and so far has ignored requests to discuss at talk. I would appreciate if someone could come in and offer a third opinion regarding this section. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Good luck on the POV edit-warrior. I can't offer any help there. But about religion in South Korea: I'd always heard from my (Buddhist) in-laws that Buddhism was the largest religion. These things change, of course, but according to The CIA World Factbook, the 1995 census shows: Christian 26.3% (Protestant 19.7%, Roman Catholic 6.6%), Buddhist 23.2%, other or unknown 1.3%, none 49.3% I'd say that's a pretty reliable source. Dekkappai (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah; one source in the article (I've removed it, but I can dig up the url if you like) written around Aug 2008 claimed that Buddhism is the largest religion in Korea, with 11 million practitioners...but an article just published today in The Straits Times, and written by Agence France-Presse, says that "official data" report 10 million Buddhists and 13.7 Christians. I went with that AFP article, since it's more recent and by a more reliable source. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 17:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No need to show the older source-- I suspect that's what's happened-- Christianity overtook Buddhism by 3% in recent decades. I'd go with the Korean census data, if you can track that down, or the CIA data which cites it. Might even be interesting to show older census data, if that can be found, to show the shift over time... Dekkappai (talk) 18:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

There are a lot of non-practicing, non-religious people in South Korea whose families are nominally Buddhist. Therefore, the percentage of Buddhists could change significantly depending on exactly how the counting is done. --Amble (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The really tricky part here is that Korean religions are not exclusive - you can be a Buddhist and a Taoist, for instance. If I remember correctly, MacArthur did a survey of religion in Japan post-WWII, and found 4 times as many religious adherents as there were people in Japan. Not surprising. --Dan (talk) 16:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Kim Dong-ni

Started an article on Kim Dong-ni, famous Korean author. Could someone please add the Korean Spelling, since I dont speak Korean. THnax - User: Singularity Rider, 3 February , 19:14

done. --Cheol (talk) 15:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Project banner

The above proposal to convert the banner to {{WPBannerMeta}} has now been implemented. Everything in the banner will continue to work as before. However, while it is still possible to use the |wg= parameter, each working group now has its own parameter making it possible to assign as many working groups as possible to an article. Please refer to Template:WikiProject Korea/doc for instructions on usage.

Also, each working group has it's own icon (except Arts and Cuisine because I couldn't find anything suitable); these are completely negotiable so if anyone objects to any of them or has any better suggestions then please say so and the banner can be updated. :) PC78 (talk) 01:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

May I borrow someone who speaks korean?

Subject just about says it all, I am dealing with a (South) Korean who wants to put an article about themselves in the English Wikipedia, but they don't speak English that well, and I don't speak Korean at all. Rather than try to explain why people shouldn't write articles about themselves in English, I think it would be better to have someone explain it in Korean. Anyone willing to help me? Please? :) Prodego ^talk 20:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this the user who sent you an email? :) PC78 (talk) 21:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

yep. Prodego ^talk 22:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

satellite Kompsat-2 or Arirang-2

It has been suggested that the article [Arirang-2] or section be merged with [Satellite Kompsat-2]. I agree with this suggest. I purpose the title Satellite Kompsat-2 or Arirang-2 because :

• Kompsat-2 is more famous in the world, Arirang is famous in South Korea
• To write satelitte in the title because Arirang is also a Korean folk song, a TV, a film and more.

I will propose in few days a merged article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PascalMichelSI (talk • contribs) 10:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Korean Food

I'm not sure how this works, but why isn't anyone here speaking up against dog consumption in Korean Food section? While we shouldn't deny dog is consumed in Korea, currently it's listed along with beef, chicken, and pork.

I'm sure everyone here is aware dog comsumption (whether you think it's ok or not) is a controversial practice that's frawn upon by rest of the developed world. There ought to be more concentration on the controversy of the practice rather than it's consumption. Current description is biased towards bringing to practice to wiki-users as a norm in korea when estimated only 10% of koreans have tried dogs. The current editors do this by using words like "most popular" and with it's entry being longer than that whole "fish and seafood" category.

Food is doorway to a new culture and more and more non-Koreans are learning about Korea through the food. While the dog consumption in Korea does happen, it is not a staple as the editor (article semi-protected) of that page claims.

And how is an American with very limited knowledge on Korean food in charge of our doorway of who we are to the rest of the world? Santaria360 (talk) 03:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

We simply do not function as an ethnic battleground at Wikipedia. Please do not attempt to turn our encyclopedia into such. Please also see WP:SPA. Badagnani (talk) 06:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

and you should not hold hostage of an entry that doesn't belong to you, smearing it with biased language. What part about Korean cusine do you not understand and what makes you an expert? From our conversation 2 years ago, your expertise to Korean food is the fact that you eat a lot of korean food and you have "many" korean friends... Also, still looking for answer to that question on why you INSIST that you keep dog eating as a major entry in Korean cuisine Santaria360 (talk) 07:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

To Santaria360: Since when is the English language edition of Wikipedia “[your] doorway of who [you] are to the rest of the world”? That's so not what Wikipedia is about.

I'm sorry to say that I can't be bothered to read through the discussions, but I'm sure there are simple ways to make everybody happy by mentioning that dog meat is consumed (that's noteworthy to many English readers, however rare it may be!), while also leaving no doubt about what status fido has in Korean cuisine by saying that it “is far from being an everyday food for the vast majority of South Koreans”, that “most South Koreans have only ever eaten it a few times and some deliberately avoid it”, or something along those lines. Readers will get a better picture if Wikipedia gives more information instead of hiding away dog consumption.

Frankly, I don't believe that only 10 % have ever eaten dog. Also, that's just South Korea and says nothing on the significance of dog meat in North Korea and Manchuria. – Wikipeditor (talk)

First, whether Wiki is doorway or not is subjective and whether that's what wikipedia is all about is secondary to the what the readers actually feel about the content at hand. Second, nowhere in the article mentions any of that distinction between dog, beef, chicken, and pork consumption and my solution isn't a censorship of dog eating, but presenting idea as a separate topic rather than pick and choosing the content readers should know, which is current what it is. Third, you very well know that when referring to Korea, people typically mean South Korea. Nowhere in the article can you find foods popular in North and statistics from it is rare and not dependable. Also, you said "Frankly, I don't believe that only 10% have ever eaten dog." Since when was Wikipedia about what you believe to be true? And if you want to count Koreans in North and Manchuria, why stop there? Why not people of Korean ancestry (first, second, third... generations) in US, Brazil, Canada, and etc see what % of them had eaten dogs. Santaria360 (talk) 01:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This is all nonsense. "Korea" & "Koreans" usually refer to "South Korea" & "South Koreans," and when were we talking about Koreans in Manchuria? That's like saying we should merge national statistics of France with those of French in the US, etc... We don't know anything about N. Koreans, so don't bring them up & only fact we've got to play around with is that less than 10% of S. Koreans have eaten dog meat. (Chunbum Park (talk) 20:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC))

The Wall Street Journal says that one in three South Koreans has tasted dog meat.[2]. That seems a significant number. Badagnani (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

the article if you read it is not what Wall street Journal says. Please don't misrepresent. WSJ is quoting Korean TV station SBS on what they surveyed. We do not know the purpose of the survey, sample size, and the wording of it. If you ever created a survey with a help of Gallup, then you would know that statistics can be manipulated based on they way question is asked and who you ask. I got 10% from an animal rights group article in Korea. Whether that's true or not is disputable, so that only goes to further my point that there should be a separate section about controversial Korean foods. Santaria360 (talk) 01:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Please read the discussion archives straight through before commenting further (as you were earlier asked to do). "Dog meat" originally had its very own section in the Korean cuisine article, discussing it as a controversial food, but lengthy discussion and consensus between many Korean and non-Korean editors led to its being integrated into the "Meats" section and given a much more streamlined treatment. Part of the reason for this was that the "Dog meat" section on its own, at the end of the article, was thought to draw too much attention to this controversy. You'll see this reasoning when you read the discussion archives straight through. Badagnani (talk) 02:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, as I said on the "korean food" forum. I care about what's now, not the previous editions of what was before. I've been reading Wiki for awhile. I do remember some of the previous entries. You say that the too much attention is drawn to the controversy, but obviously article is still drawing controversy the way it is. I don't see any reason why, because it didn't work certain way in the past, that it shouldn't work another way with revisions. Santaria360 (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Here, ~60% of Koreans under age 30 won't eat dog meat, according to a survey by a government ministry. Still, my perception is that dog meat consumption is not common. (Chunbum Park (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Perceptions are often shaped by one's experience; it's much better to rely on the statistics. If you would read the discussion archives straight through, it would be very helpful. Daily and annual tonnages for dog are supplied. Badagnani (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I did and I'm still not satisfied. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and you can give me clear reason as to why to my question on the korean foods discussion. Like I've said before, statistics can be manipulated based on the way a question is asked, the purpose, who you ask, and what's really important now, is the time that it's asked(as in what else is happening in current event). Currently in Korea, there's mad cow scare and fear that people will get sick when they eat beef. Person's answer can very easily be altered on what's going on with a current event. May I remind you that after 9/11, going to war against Iraq was a very popular idea on any polls and statistics you looked at because people being polled were vulnerable by the fears of another attack. Few years later, it's completely a different story. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Santaria360 (talk • contribs)

I was addressing User:Chunbum Park in the above comment. Badagnani (talk) 03:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with the article covering only South Koreans, but then please move it to “South Korean food”. To Badagnani: Perceptions are shaped by experience, but if you ask a whole bunch of people who have spent some time in South Korea and nobody of them will tell you that dog is a common food, then by common sense it no longer looks like a randomly shaped assumption, is it? Of course, that would be original research and shouldn't go in a Wikipedia article. But statistics can be wrong, too. For example, a family I've visited in Gyeongsang reared a few dogs and it wasn't their main source of income, so I wouldn't be surprised if those dogs never appear in any papers and statistics. That's the only farm I've seen in detail, so while from my limited view there may be a lot of farmers out there rearing undocumented dogs on a small scale (which would mean statistics show less than what's really produced), it may just as well be a highly unusual thing. Oh and it would be cool to have separate figures for both production and consumption for each country involved in the business. And import/export numbers. Not here, but in the dog meat article, of course. Who knows, once we have all those figures, it may turn out that South Korea produces quite a lot of dog meat but then exports much of it to other dog-appreciating places. – Wikipeditor (talk)

I hear North Korea uses a different word for dog meat, dan-gogi (RR, not McR), which means "sweet meat." Judging from that, I'd assume it was consumed in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they still do. --Kjoonlee 12:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Translation

I need translations for the following titles: 악재 겹친 '동방신기', 비상 {-} 동방신기 영웅재중, 친자 확인 소송 {-} <속보>영웅재중 생부 가족, "재중이 위해 소송취하하겠다" {and} 영웅재중 “난 김재중으로 살고파”. Feel free to remove this if I am breaking a rule... 月と日の出 15:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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List of Korean inventions

List of Korean inventions

I propose that this article should be deleted. Everything mentioned is already list under Science and Technology in Korea article Anyone else agree? Jegal (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure. It's a pretty poor article as it is, but one would expect there to be enough Korean inventions to support a viable list. You're best prodding it or AfDing it. PC78 (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Even if it's mentioned elsewhere, it should atleast redirect to it. 76.66.193.90 (talk) 06:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sang-Hyun Song

Hi, I've just started an article at Sang-Hyun Song and I'd appreciate if someone would check it out in case I've made any obvious mistakes with his name. And a {{Korean name}} box would be great, if you have the time! Thanks, Polemarchus (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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Adding hangul and hanja to articles

When adding hangul or hanja to articles, is it typically necessary to cite the source of the information (e.g. online encyclopedia, official website, etc.)? I recently updated the article about South Korean potter Cho Ki-Jung and added a citation for the hanja (it was in Category:Wikipedia articles needing hanja). This was based on advice from the Wikipedia Help Desk. Do WikiProject Korea editors typically add a citation for this information or just add it as fact (without a specific reference)? Daram.G (talk) 10:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Korean help needed

Hi everyone. In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hak Ja Han a discussion of a point of Korean culture just came up. If anyone likes you could add your opinions. Thanks. Steve Dufour (talk) 01:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Koredog

Recently created article. Is this nonsense or not? PC78 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look very notable to me. I proposed deletion. --Amble (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Jicho herb

Can anyone determine what the "jicho herb" mentioned here is? Badagnani (talk) 03:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Jicho (지초) is Lithospermum erythrorhizon, apparently. Check out [3] (English) or [4] (Korean). We also have an article on the genus Lithospermum here on Wikipedia. Daram.G (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ha Seung-moo

Can someone who reads or understands Korean please have a look at this? Thanks! PC78 (talk) 16:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Reading of publisher name / looking for publisher website

I'm trying to track down the foreign publication details of Town of Evening Calm, Country of Cherry Blossoms. I've confirmed the existence of a Korean edition, ISBN 9788970753492 published by 문학세계사 -- but I haven't been able to find a romanized name for the publisher. Can anyone assist here? Following on to that, this seems to be the website of said publisher, but I cannot by any method of google-fu get it to admit it has the book in its catalog. Have I gotten hold of the wrong website? Can anyone find a catalog page that better verifies the edition's existence than a Google Books listing? Thanks in advance for any assist. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I tried finding the information you asked for, but didn't have any luck. However, it seems that the website you mentioned is the correct one, since it comes up as "the" search result in Naver. I searched through the publisher's website (both the current website and an archived version on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine), but couldn't find it. The information you found seems to plausible, though. - Daram.G (talk) 01:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. (I suppose I should be glad to hear it's not just that my google-fu is weak like an old man.) One follow-up -- do you have a romanization of the publisher's name? —Quasirandom (talk) 16:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

According to the current website, the romanization is "MunhakSegyeSa." In the archived version, it is listed with spaces: "Munhak Segye Sa." I think either one of those would be fine. I couldn't find a "translation" of the publisher's name, as such. - Daram.G (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Korean football clubs

Hi, I've found a number of Korean football clubs that don't seem to compete in any of the main leagues. I've listed them here. I was hoping someone could tell me where I might be able to find more information on them. Are any of them well-known? I am considering deleting them all, would anyone oppose this? Many thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Photos of Korean cars needed

Caspian Blue suggested that maybe I could find someone to help me here.

I have made some discoveries about Korean cars that are only available in Korea, such as the Hyundai Equus, the Dynasty, the Grandeur, and the Centennial. I was wondering if someone here with a digital camera could take a few photos? Currently, the above cars mentioned have only one image per article which really doesn't say very much about the car. The images used for the first and second generation Hyundai Grandeur are actually the Mitsubishi Debonair due to images of the Grandeur are not found in Wikimedia Commons. Now that Hyundai has become a major player in the automotive world, I thought it would be nice to see older Hyundais from the '80s and '90s and other Korean cars that the rest of the world isn't aware of. North Korean cars would especially interesting, if they make them.

If no one can help me with this request, do you know of anyone who might be able to help?

Thank you for your time (Regushee (talk) 03:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

First you can try Flickr images with free license. We have a few good photographer (not professionals, but taking very good images) such as Patriotmissile (talk · contribs)[5] and Jpbarrass (talk · contribs)[6]. But I don't know they're interested in taking "car" image. You can also ask a favor to Flickr users who release their good images under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA and live in South Korea such as this user. [7]--Caspian blue 03:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

On Hyundai Equus new five images with good quality were recently added. So well, contact the editor too.--Caspian blue 03:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

RFC on Hak Ja Han

Ongoing WP:RFC on article Hak Ja Han, please see Talk:Hak_Ja_Han#RfC:_Sentence_about_marriage_to_Sun_Myung_Moon. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 17:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

ancient sources

There's a notice at WT:CHINA about the usage of ancient Chinese sources. Since some articles about ancient Korea will probably use some ancient Chinese sources, this may be of interest to you. See Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/TangTalk. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 06:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Sim (Korean name): Sim or Shim ?

Could someone please look at the edits from today (either revert, improve or initiate a move) ? 감사합니다 ----Erkan Yilmaz 20:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't say how appropriate this change is, but it's making a mess of the article and you've already asked the user to discuss on the talk page (which he hasn't), so I've reverted again. PC78 (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Also see the discussion here. --Amble (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your time. ----Erkan Yilmaz 22:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Korea-related articles at AfD

There are currently 11 Korea-related articles at AfD, which is by far the most I've seen in a while. If anyone is interested, please see the deletion discussions at WP:KO-DEL. PC78 (talk) 11:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Korean musicians in Japan

Is this a legitimate subject? It looks a bit dubious to me, especially in its current state. PC78 (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Korean-Shinto

Korean-Shinto has been nomianted for dleetion at WP:AFD 76.66.196.218 (talk) 04:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Looking at webpage with old Korean encoding

Hi! I'm trying to find the Korean name for the National Transportation Safety Board - But this page http://www.ntsb.gov/events/KAL801/hearings_kor.htm has a very old encoding, so I cannot tell what the Korean name for the NTSB is. What is the Korean name of the NTSB? I am not looking for the translated name of the NTSB on the Korean Wikipedia - I am looking for the name used by the NTSB on its Korean language pages.

How do I download a pack so I can look at this old encoding? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

According to Korean Wiki, it is called ko:미국연방교통안전위원회 (Miguk Yeonbang Gyeotong Anjeon Uiwonhoe = meaning United States of America Federal Transportation Safety Board).[8] I can't not read the page either.--Caspian blue 18:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe someone with a Windows 98 Korean pack could see it. According to IE8 the encoding is "Korean (EUC)" - And it is grayed out. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I only scanned your your request half. The name at Korean Wiki is indeed correctly addressed for the U.S board which name is known as such in South Korea. That's why I added a link from Doosan Encyclopedia. Here is another one.[9] I don't use the old system.--Caspian blue 18:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty! I still am interested in what the NTSB used as, if it is different, I could use it as a redirect on the Korean Wikipedia WhisperToMe (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Korean bell

I've placed a prod tag on this article, but I'll mention it here in case anyone can do anything with the article. Is there anything unique about Korean bell which could not be covered by Bell (instrument)? PC78 (talk) 13:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes they are I think a bit special. There is some useful information here:

http://www.kclc.or.jp/humboldt/ostasien/moon.htm which might be useful for this article. (Msrasnw (talk) 13:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC))

DYK for Buddha's Birthday

Hi, we have a DYK event for Buddha's Birthday just like Christmas or April Fool's day. Many of Korean culture is based on Buddhism, so one you guys can write/expand Buddhist related articles (famous temples, monks, movies, literature, paintings, foods etc) within 5 days, and then nominate it to the below place. After review, your article can be featured on the main page. So be hurry if you are interested. :)

Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded for Buddha's Birthday (May 2) and Vesak (May 9) --Caspian blue 18:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Newsen

I doubt anyone would actdually know, but does anyone have information on Newsen? I tried looking for it on kowiki, but there was nothing there either. The reason I'm asking is that it appears to be a notable online news agency, and it's the source for many articles...and yet there's nothing on it. If anyone does know anything, that would be great.  :) SKS (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

What is the reading?

For The Great Catsby, both McCune Reischauer and Revised Romanization:

• 위대한 캣츠비 - The first part is I think Widaehan, but I'm unsure how the second is read
• 페르수

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• • 위대한 캣츠비 - Widaehan Kaetcheubi (RR), Witaehan Kaetch'ŭpi
  • 페르수 - Pereusu (RR) P'erŭsu (MR)

--Caspian blue 13:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• • 위대한 캣츠비 in MR should be Widaehan K'aetch'ŭbi. --Amble (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

need some arbitration

South Korea article.

need some help.

some user delete its intro.[10]

he did major delete without any proper reason. plase can you participate in its arbitration?[11] Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 06:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Korean Hanbok derived from Ming Dynasty?

A Chinese editor has been propagating this view in many articles in Wikipedia with only a dubious basis. The exact words of this editor is:

During Ming Dynasty of China, Korea (Joseon Dynasty) became a vassal state of China, and thus Koreans widely adopted and integrated hanfu into their own culture, with the women wearing Ming Dynasty style ruqun, which eventually developed to hanbok today.

Please discuss in [12] if you're interested. Cydevil38 (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

maps

(I'm not sure where I should put this: WikiProject, this talk, or else-where.) Most of the maps that accompany city locations in Korea are provincial maps. I would guess for an over-whelming majority of our readers, they are by and large meaningless. Gwangju is an enlightened esception. Can't we change from province to country -- or province and country? Kdammers (talk) 11:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Photograph request - Korean Air HQ

Korean Air's HQ is at 1370, Gonghang-dong, Gangseo-gu, Seoul, Korea - Would someone mind photographing it? Thank you [13] —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhisperToMe (talk • contribs) 21:47, 19 May 2009

Naval ensign of South Korea?

According to Flag of South Korea, the naval ensign of South Korea is File:Naval Jack of South Korea.svg. Given that the name of the file seemingly contradicts this fact, can anyone here provide guidance on what the correct naval ensign is? I know that using {{navy|South Korea}} displays File:Flag of South Korea.svg, which seems to contradict the "Flag of South Korea" article. Any help appreciated. — Bellhalla (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Hello there,

Can you please help editign Gotjawal Forest?

It is difficult for me to cleanup, and wikify this.

Especially, it is difficult to make an infobox.

Can you help?

Yongchangjang (talk) 02:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

•  Done Caspian blue 05:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Medicinal mushrooms

Not sure if this article falls under the scope of your group, but if it does, please review it for me. Jatlas (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

grammar problem

hi, recently, i edited liancourt rocks dispute, but, some one say, "rv, unreadable, ungrammatical and highly tendentious additions" and revert it.[14]

• My version[15]

please can you correct grammar of my edit? i want help from someone. Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit war at Joseon Dynasty

Over at Joseon Dynasty, User:Historiographer is firmly of the opinion that Joseon was entirely "sovereign" and never a "vassal state" of the Qing, and consistently reverts the article to say so. I'm fairly sure that neither is the case, and that this is the mainstream understanding of history (see eg. [16], from the Office of the President, ROK), but additional opinions would be welcome. Jpatokal (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Article has been fully protected now, additional opinions still welcome. Jpatokal (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources requested for Korean online gaming topics.

The following articles require sources to establish notability, or they may be nominated for deletion: KwonHo, Netmarble, MAIET Entertainment, GunZ: The Duel. I came close to nominating MAIET and Gunz myself, and it appears KwonHo has been deleted before, so those might be more pressing? Thanks! - BalthCat (talk) 03:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

North Korea GA nom

North Korea is currently a good article nominee. If anyone has time to review it, that'd be swell. --Cybercobra (talk) 10:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I can see a number of sections in that article that are completely unreferenced. That's probably enough by itself to fail the article, so you might want to have a look. PC78 (talk) 11:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I concur. I would strongly suggest removing your nomination until you properly reference every section. Believe me it will fail immediately. Topography etc is not even cited once. Keep working on it and ensure every section and major fact is cited. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Nomination has been withdrawn. --Cybercobra (talk) 16:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Gyeongju for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 14:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

English Translation

I need a English Translation.[17](in Korean) anybody help me?

여기에는 ① 작호(爵號)는 대개 요청하는 측이 원하는 대로 주는 경향이 강한 점, ② 모한, 진한 등 이미 없어진 나라에 대해서 지배권을 요청한 점, ③ 신라는 왜의 영역과는 아무런 상관이 없고 또 신라가 왜의 지배를 받은 적도 없는데도 지배권을 요구한 점, ④ 작호의 책봉은 보다 정치적인 요소가 강한 점 등을 들어서 큰 의미를 두고 있지 않습니다. 특히 연민수 교수는 왜왕의 장군호인 안동대장군이 백제왕의 그것(진동대장군)보다 서열이 낮으면서 한반도 남부를 군사적으로 지배한다는 것은 의문이라고 합니다.9) 최재석 교수는 5세기의 왜국이라는 것은 쓰시마(對馬島)를 포함한 규슈지역에 불과한 상태이기 때문에 왜왕들의 작호라는 것은 형식적인데 불과할 뿐이고 오히려 백제가 일본에 일종의 경영팀을 파견하여 일본을 다스렸다고 주장합니다.10) Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Big problems with the Koreatown article

Essentially it's being used as a mix of soapbox, spam and wishful-thinking original research; I've taken a lawnmower to it, yet even remaining sections have lots of uncited information and are written promotionally and as a directory of "where to shop for Korean goods". Even the page's definition was tweaked to allow nearly anything in, but the definition is uncitable; places were labelled Koreatowns that have only a small ethnic Korean residential population, justified by a clutch of video stores and Hangul signs, and sometimes as in Albany Park, Chicago, the Korean element is ninth or tenth place (that's primarily a Latin American district); it does, apparently, have a freeway exit sign saying "K-town" but the equation should not be made from a sign on an off-ramp to the whole area the off-ramp designates. In Vancouver's case, a handful of stores around Robson and Denman were the basis of the deleted Koreatown, Vancouver article - rather than re-explain why that's nonsense, see Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Talk:Koreatown.23Koreatown.2C_Vancouver_does_not_exist and what's linked from there. I'll leave it at that, I've never brought this here before, but it's time; I'm on wikibreak soon but I hope somebody monitors that page and starts going after all the uncited material and the ongiong original research/soapbox problem...only formal Koreatowns, or places that are citably called Koreatown, Little Korea, Little Seoul etc should qualify; it should not be used to promote the growth of Korean enterprise in a given area; especially when that area has a mix of identities/commercial elements. Myself I don't see the need for cultural ghettos, but when they want to emerge they shouldn't do so by overriding existing cultures/identities in a given area. If Koreans visiting "west Robson" (lower Robson, or Robson and Denman, as it's usually called) can only see the Korean signs, maybe they shoudl open their eyes and start noticing everybody else.Skookum1 (talk) 23:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion

Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unification Church and antisemitism Borock (talk) 04:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

South Korean Actors and Historical Dramas

I am plodding along trying to update bios on Korean TV actors and Korean Historical TV Dramas. I'm not too swift with the whole wiki markup and formatting thing yet, even though I've been doing this for about 2 years. Also, I can neither read nor write Hangul, so at times researching content for the articles I have been working on is tedious. I am wondering if any WikiProject Korea users would be interested in helping edit, translate, or otherwise assist with the articles I am (and will be) working on. Please see my contributions page if you are so inclined to assist. I'm also wondering if anyone knows of any print Korean entertainment magazines, books or articles I can purchase to use as references in writing articles, I would appreciate assistance in tracking them down. I am particularly interested in print periodicals that i could subscribe to. Asturnut (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Sin Chang-won

Could someone help with the following sentence from this source [18]?

친구들과 수박서리를 했다는 얘기를 들은 아버지는 ‘아들을 바로잡기 위해’ 신창원을 파출소에 데려갔고, 결국 소년원까지 보내졌다.

Specifically, what does 서리 mean here? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

slicing? --Dan (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Jane Shin of Korea.

I'd like someone halfway familiar with Korean history to look at Jane Shin of Korea. Smells awfully like a hoax (in which case feel free to tag it as such), but I get leery when there might be language and transcription issues involved.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Korean social security number

I came across a bunch of articles (primarily ones on Korean MMOs) mentioning a Korean social security number. From what I can tell, there's no such thing as a Korean social security number, only a resident registration number. This number is commonly called a Korean social security number or KSSN on the internet, I presume because of the common need for this number for registering in Korean MMOs and Americans connecting it to their social security number (and perhaps also the strong involvement of Americans in Korean recent history) to the extent that there are KSSN generators. However I presume the translation is inaccurate, and the number appears to have no relation or connection to social security, instead it's a national identification number which all citizens are required to have (which is not the case for the US SSN). As such, I've modified all references to the Korean social security number I could find on wikipedia, except in the resident registration number obviously. I also ensured that the links directed to the right article (formerly many directs to the article on the US SSN) Nil Einne (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

You are all invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the Korean language transwiki project. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from Korean wikipedia (and anywhere else) and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge and to improve existing articles by translation. We need your help, so if there are any Korean speakers here please join up as your language skills are crucial. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Collection of articles that is not notable

All the articles here Template:KLIA seem to be not notable in the slightest. I'd actually say they are a prime candidate for speedy deletion, but I'm way out of my league here so I'll let you guys handle this one. --DanielPharos (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I nominated the CJ Group article for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CJ Group. I however also have a question: a WHOLE lot of articles like this were created by User talk:Mirmo! back in 2006. All these articles are the same. Just check out Hanwha Damage Insurance, Kyowon Nara Automobile Insurance and Dongbu Fire for example. None of these articles link to external sources. User:DAJF blocked my speedy deletion on them, but starting a AfD on all of them seems a bit... messy. What to do? --DanielPharos (talk) 10:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Korean inventions and innovations

List of Korean inventions and innovations I've been doing some work on it, the Chinese/Japanese/Indian/Islamic inventions included things such as board games and martial arts, so I figured I would add those as well. Any help especially in finding more sources would be helpful, I haven't noticed a monthly project any more, perhaps this article could be the one?

Easternknight (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Haeundae (film)

A number of IP users have been changing "Sea of Japan (East Sea)" to "East Sea (Sea of Japan)"; this is contrary to existing Wikipedia concensus outlined at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)#Sea of Japan (East Sea). I've reverted, pointed the IPs to the relevant guideline, even had the article protected for a few days, but it keeps happening. A few more eyes on this would be welcome, especially as I'm going to be offline for a few days. Regards. PC78 (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

In all fairness that is a 4 year old !vote that had a grand total of 13 participants and a few detractors. There has been a recent push in Korea to promote "East Sea" and wikipedia convention has always existed that spelling (in the case of American/british) respect the country of origin of the subject. So there is plenty of precedent to use region specific things in articles. Perhaps it is time the issue was examined again. Consensus can change, and the usage of a name for something can also change.--Crossmr (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I don't disagree with you there, but challenging and reopening a debate over an existing concensus is not the same as someone taking it upon themselves to simply ignore it. Touch wood but it seems to have blown over in that article anyway. PC78 (talk) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Photo requests: Korean Air and Asiana Airlines headquarters

The articles for Korean Air and Asiana Airlines need photographs of their headquarters in Gangseo-gu, Seoul. Korean Air's is in Gonghang-dong and Asiana's is in Osoe-dong. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

who are the 체광족?

If anyone here can figure out who the 체광 people of Nepal are, could you correct it at Hunminjeongeum Society (Seoul)?

Thanks, kwami (talk) 08:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. Another paper had Chepang. Looks like "광" may have been a misreading of 팡. kwami (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

East Asian calligraphy

Hello, there is a contest against totally undiscussed cut-and-paste blanking/merging/splitting of East Asian calligraphy by Asoer (talk · contribs). I don't see any active discussion on the edit, so there is naturally no consensus for that. Since it is pertinent to at least "four WikiProject", I'm drawing your attention to the article and hope you would give some useful input on the matter on Talk:East Asian calligraphy. Any active members who are interests in East Asian culture/art would be greatly helpful for the issue. Thanks.--Caspian blue 03:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_China#What_to_call_East_Asian_calligraphyAsoer (talk) 04:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Taejo of Joseon and Joseon Tongsinsa

Hi, can you please come to discuss disputes on the talk page of Taejo of Joseon, and Joseon Tongsinsa? I deleted some unnecessary information in Taejo of Joseon about relationships with Japan added by User:Tenmei. But the user readded it and placed a lot of talks on Talk that I can not understand. He did the same to Joseon Tongsinsa. He deleted arbitrary about diplomatic mission (Tongsinsa) of Joseon Dynasty before Japanese invasions of Korea, and changed their name as old romanization. Those are history articles that need more opinion from editors who know Korean history. Please join the discussions. Thank you.--Historiographer (talk) 14:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

ROK: a presidential republic, semi-presidential republic, or something else?

Intermittent edit wars have been going on for months at the South Korea article over whether the infobox should say presidential, semi-presidential, or constitutional republic. Another editor has attempted to start a discussion and I am hoping that we can nip this in the bud this time around, at Talk:South Korea#Government System. As I know next to nothing about Korean politics, I have refrained from making any substantive comments, I was just trying to ensure that the correct processes were followed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Popular pages

I've only recently found out about the popular pages toolserver; this tool creates a list of articles tagged for a specific project or work group and ranks them in order of page views. I'm putting in a request to have a list generated for this project (as well as a list for the Korean films work group). Hopefully our most popular articles won't all be stubs! :) PC78 (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Unequal Treaties

Unequal Treaties is up for rename and a relate page is to be deleted. See Talk:Unequal_Treaties#Requested_move

76.66.200.21 (talk) 03:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Ahn Eak-tai

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Ahn Eak-tai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

What would be proper titles for eup, myeon, dong?

Hi, I've created the articles of Eup (administrative division), Myeon (administrative division), Dong (administrative division). However, I'm not sure whether these title with administrative division in parenthesis would be suitable titles for them. When I created them, I referred to Department (administrative division), but the article titles are too long and not handy.

I think possible a title for eup for example, would be like below

• Eup (unit)
• Eup (administrative unit)
• Eup (administrative section):

Since the units are used throughout geography-related articles of both North Korea and South Korea, your input would be appreciated. Thanks.--Caspian blue 13:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Are there commonly-accepted translations for eup, myeon, and dong themselves in English? For example, the articles on Chinese administrative divisions are all Township (China), Town (China), County (China), Prefecture (China), Province (China), etc.. So, if translations like eup -> "town" are widely used, I would say the best article title would be Town (Korea), rather than Eup (town). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. The naming system in Korean project is not consistent.....And those units are both used in ancient Korea, and currently North Korea and South Korea, so well this could be complicated. Eup, myeon, dong are sometimes translated to Town, Township, Neighborhood in English, but that is just a sketchy mention in books or news to understand English readers. If we choose to move the article of Eup (administrative division) to Town (Korea), then many articles with "-eup" appendix should be changed as well. And I've never seen a case that XX-eup is translated to XX Town in English. For example Gangdong-myeon, Gyeongju, there would no source for saying "Gangdong Town, Gyeongju".--Caspian blue 14:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

As the naming isn't consistent, similar with Vietnam and Burma where in the cities areas are called wards or townships but elsewhere they are named differently. Note in both cases we use English terminology and use brackets for the native title. Personally I would move all of the Korean names to Town, Township, Neighborhood and at the beginning of every article say something Gwan is a neighborhood (dong) of Seoul etc. Most wikipedians when they see dong or eup they are more likely to get confused... We've done the same for Cambodia where it is ... Commune and the formal name is in brackets rather than something being called a Khum etc. What I would do is keep the terminology articles like Eup exactly as they are but in the articles link them in brackets after ...Township etc. Himalayan 14:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hm. If that is the case, I would say the titles at "(administrative division)" are probably the best alternatives already. Although I should point out, the English translations of Chinese administrative divisions are also complicated... these names are used pretty standard-ly among people who talk a lot about China, but among the general population these are all a mystery (I myself was horribly confused by all of them until after I had studied Chinese and China for several years). So article titles can be acceptable even if they're not understood by the general populace...although, if even the experts don't agree on them, then the current titles are probably better. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Keep the terminology articles like eun exactly as they are and just link them in brackets in the articles. Himalayan 14:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

So, you guys think that Eup (administrative division) would be more accurate than Eup (town) and Eup (unit)? (typing "administrative division" to pertinent articles that need to be corrected, would not be a easy job for me as a non-English speaker, ^^;;, but well accuracy is more important than accessibility) --Caspian blue 14:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It is fine. Note most people searching for it would likely type simply "Eup" and it would turn up at the dab page between Korea and France. Besides which it would be linked as Eup (administrative division) in the articles leading directly to it. Himalayan 15:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I also think these are fine as they are. Best not to use translations like "town" if they aren't necessarily accurate. PC78 (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I conquer, the articles are fine as you have titled them. For what my opinion is worth, since terms like do (도, 道) si (시,市) and gu (구, 區) translate well it is easy to attach an English word to them, but eup (읍, 邑), myeon (면,面) and dong (동, 洞), are much harder so it makes more sense to explain what they mean, as you have done, rather than try to attach some rough English translation to them. I wouldn't be so concerned about the length of the titles - they are not that bad) Waygugin (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

(PS - I prefer using the word township to translate myeon.)

Okay, thanks guys for the input you've made, that clears my unstable feeling toward the newly created articles. So the articles remains as they are.--Caspian blue 23:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Request

Please review the following biographies for possible name change (family name first):

• Birdie Kim → Kim Birdie
• Joo Mi Kim → Kim Joo Mi
• Mi Hyun Kim → Kim Mi Hyun
• Young Kim →Kim Young
• Jee Young Lee →Lee Jee Young
• Meena Lee→ Lee Meena
• Seon Hwa Lee→ Lee Seon Hwa
• Hee Jung Park→ Park Hee Jung
• Inbee Park→ Park Inbee
• Ji-Yai Shin→ Shin Ji-Yai
• Sung Ah Yim → Yim Sung Ah
• Cha Seung Baek → Baek Cha Seung
• Jin Ho Cho → Cho Jin Ho
• Hee-seop Choi → Choi Hee-seop
• Byung-Hyun Kim → Kim Byung-Hyun
• Chan Ho Park →Park Chan Ho
• Shin-Soo Choo → Choo Shin-Soo
• Sun-Woo Kim →Kim Sun-Woo
• Man Soo Lee→ Lee Man Soo
• Sang-Hoon Lee →Lee Sang-Hoon
• Jae Kuk Ryu →Ryu Jae Kuk
• Jae Weong Seo → Seo Jae Weong
• In Jin Chi → Chi In Jin
• Duk Koo Kim → Kim Duk Koo
• Sung-Kil Moon → Moon Sung-Kil
• Min-Kyu Kim →Kim Min-Kyu
• Kyongwon Ahn → Ahn Kyongwon
• Kwang Jo Choi → Choi Kwang Jo
• Yong Chin Pak → Pak Yong Chin
• Chong Chul Rhee → Rhee Chong Chul
• Hak Ja Han → Han Hak-ja

Moving this here from the noticeboard. PC78 (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

尺

Shaku → Chi (length) - has been requested at WP:RM, see talk:Shaku

I think this is called a cheok or ja in Korean, I don't know the hangul for it, and the article is missing coverage on Korea.

76.66.196.139 (talk) 05:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Korean units

Is there a Korean units of measurement article? Like the ones for Chinese units of measurement or Japanese units of measurement? 76.66.196.139 (talk) 08:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:SK won

I've just created this template; hopefully people will find it useful. :) PC78 (talk) 01:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Lee Jung-jae

Can someone please check the Korean name infobox in this article? LG4761 added Hanja, RR and MR (which is good) but then removed some of them again. PC78 (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

RR and Hangul are correct - --RamenLover (talk) 08:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

NOTICE. Request For Comment: Changes to Naming policies which may affect WikiProject naming conventions.

Following recent changes by some editors to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Wikipedia articles.

This WikiProject is being notified since it operates such a specific naming convention. Editors are invited to comment on the proposed change at this location. Xandar 01:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The above "notification" is a grossly biased misrepresentation of the changes under discussion. The old version of the naming conventions policy tried to lay down binding rules; we don't work that way, so it was necessary also to make explicit exceptions. The new version articulates principles, and allows for consensus to establish how they should be applied. Thus there is no longer any need for exceptions. In fact, making exceptions is nonsense, since there are no rules to make exceptions to. These changes are good for specific conventions. Xandar is trying to induce moral panic in those who stand to gain the most from this. Xandar is only opposed to the new version because he thinks the wording, not the general thrust, weakens his position in a dispute unrelated to this RfC. Don't be fooled. Hesperian 02:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)