Talk:United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest
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I'm confused by all the individual year pages being spawned off this. If a given year's entry into the contest is sufficiently interesting to warrant a separate page, why not make a page for the song itself, rather than individual years that may never be filled in?
--JohnRDaily 14:47, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Paul Davies
The linked Paul Davies is into Physics - not a singer!
Addition
I added some trivia to the top of the page concering records held by the United Kingdom in the contest. GerardT 02:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
"As well as the poor standard of entries, this poor performance has also been attributed by some to unpopularity of the UK due to its relationship with America and most importantly the Iraq War, although many countries opposed to the Iraq War such as France and Germany have always had a hostile relationship with the UK in terms of political voting at Eurovision."
More of a rant than a sentence: "poor standard of entries" - fact or opinion?; "attributed by some?" - who exactly? what evidence do these unattributed sources have? As for the "hostile relationship with the UK in terms of political voting" - what does that mean? Does it mean that France and Germany have voted for countries for political reasons? Does it mean that UK and France and/or Germany have voted or not voted for each other for political reasons. Perhaps this can be clarified and evidence cited.
"It should be noted that while the Eurovision Song Contest is taken quite seriously in some European countries, and seen as a source of national pride if they score highly, it is seen as more of a joke in the United Kingdom, mainly due to the alleged "political/regional voting patterns" and the country's own long history of successful popular music"
What does taking the Eurovision Song Contest "seriously" mean? Which countries take it "seriously"? (Evidence please!) Is it not a source of national pride if the UK scores highly? (yes or no - evidence please!) Where is the evidence that it is seen as more of a joke in the UK than in other countries? Where is the evidence that the reasons given for this is as stated?
well, annoymous contributer, its embarressing every year simply because the songs are so campy. we take it personally because of the way other countrys will see us. For once, if the votes arn't fixed during the pre-picking we might have something to be proud of. --Coolspanner 21:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, but the personal feelings and opinions of Coolspanner are hardly relevant to this article/discusion.
I'm sorry Galin, but please, check a video about the brtish songs on youtube, and you will see, 97% of the users who watch them say they dont like them. i really dont remember saying that i thought this. i implied (obviously) that everyone hated it.
Voting History
It would definitely be a good idea, if possible, to put a voting history section like the United Kingdom's one on every nations Eurovision page 172.203.124.237 19:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Amends
I have removed the line "It should be noted that while the Eurovision Song Contest is taken quite seriously in some European countries, and seen as a source of national pride if they score highly, it is seen as more of a light entertainment programme than a serious song contest in the United Kingdom, mainly due to the alleged "political/regional voting patterns" and the country's own long history of successful popular music". This is clearly just opinion, not fact, with no attempt to support how serious or otherwise certain countries do or don't take the Contest. Also deleted is the line about "poor standard of entries" and poor performance "attributed by some to unpopularity of the UK due to its relationship with the United States and most importantly the Iraq War. Terry Wogan stated "I think the UK is suffering from post-Iraq backlash." This was put forward for an explanation of the 2003 result, not Scooch in 2007. Wogan's quote also refers to 2003, not 2007. Besides, this is all speculation and Point of View and so has no place in this article. There is no research into why people have not voted for the UK's songs...although British foreign policy is hardly likely to be the cause. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 02:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed in part. This debate will always be a speculative one because no one can ever know exactly why people vote for one country rather than the other. The facts are there in the table and the reader can see the changes in success and draw their own conclusions. We can however include some cited quotes by notable people as long as they are only phrased in such away as the only thing being presented as fact, is the fact that it was said. For example: 'Varying speculation has occured regarding the recent lack of success of the United Kingdom's entries. Following Jemini's nil points result in 2003, the UK's involvement in the Iraq war was blamed by the band's manager Martin Isherwood and commentator Terry Wogan.[1]' we could then continue with speculation from 2004-2007 as long as it continues to be made up of cited paraphrasing and quotes. It would also be helpful to include quotations of notable people that rebuted this speculation (blaming the song or it's performers rather than anything political or anti-UK). ~~ Peteb16 (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Records table
The current table is quite complicated, would a version based on the table from France in the Eurovision Song Contest be more suitable? Underneath is what we could do with it, only using conductor, and the UK Chart position.
| Year | Artist / Author | Song / Composer | Place | Points |
| 1957 | Patricia Bredin / Alan Stranks | All / Reynell Wreford | 7 | 6 |
(French version - apart from categories and first entry)
Thanks. Pafcool2 (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Explain?
Taken from the "Records" section:
"The UK holds the record for receiving the most set of 12 points in one show. They received 10 sets of twelve points in 1997, however they share this record with Greece who also received 10 sets of twelve points in 2005. However, it is hard to compare these two years, as 25 countries voted in 1997 and 39 countries in 2005. [4] Their first record was in 1974 when ABBA won with "Waterloo", which became their international breakthrough."
What does this part in bold have to do with the UK? Purplemonkeyfoot (talk) 11:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
As per the closure of the above AfD, I've merged the contents of Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest into this article. Although the Scotland article was deleted, its contents might be useful here. I've no opinion on the matter and trust the editors of this page to decide what to do with the salvaged content. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 02:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have recreated the pages as a redirect for navigational purposes. I have just worked out the history has already been merged into the article through page moves, and I have just restored the very old history. I am just going to leave it like that for reference. Camaron | Chris (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have instead now merged all the article history into this article so it is not split-up and to prevent any future confusion. I have decided to leave the redirect for now as it could be helpful for navigation. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have also added the remaining old contents of the talk page and merged appropriately, I have added the oldafdfull tag to the talk page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 10:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Contents of Talk:Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest
Don't Delete
Why are you doing this?
I have given you sources and citations.
I have written it in a really adult way.
On other pages they have things about future or possible future events (we need to learn how to add that box at the top that says this article is about a future or possible future event)after that we'll be fine.
We will add one of those boxes soon.
Keep smiling :-)
- You have given NO sources, Wikipedia needs sources so pages are not created by people having a joke. --AxG @ ►talk 14:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Delete
- STRONG DELETE One source is no good. It ain't going to happen as the EBU already has a broadcaster covering Scotland, which is the BBC. There are already too many countries in the contest, so i can not see them including Scotland too. One source on a rumor is not good, its hardly encyclopedic. Ijanderson977 (talk) 10:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree. It's just other newspapers regurgitating the news from this one source which has yet to be identified as true. Ichigostar2007 (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I have found three sources (2 of which are from Scottish newspapers) that support the purpose of this page - if you still feel uncomfortable I suggest removing the possibility of a 2009 debut instead of deleting the page entirely. Drigioni (talk) 22:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
KEEP: This is certainly the same class of article as Kosovo, Palestine, or Liechtenstein in the ESC. 149.79.35.227 (talk) 23:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep: I think that is a reliable source. Further, there are similar articles of countries that are not part of the EBU, why not this one and the other yes? Besides the issue was discussed in the scotish parliament, is not a rumor either. I am the Goddess, come to heaven —Preceding comment was added at 19:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Please place comments about keeping/deleting the article into the articles for deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest now that one has opened. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Last 2010?
How could UK be last this year? There were 39 countries in the song contest and UK was 25th. How can a contestant winning 14 countries be last? There should not be red color in records list nor could one say 2010 UK was last. 85.76.64.33 (talk) 08:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
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Gallery possibility
Hi there, I was just wondering whether you would consider having a gallery at the bottom for the images of participants as there is a big white space after contestants. Thanks. --92.7.6.126 (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Different national selctions
There's a massive mistake saying that Your Country Needs You was the national selection from the UK's first entry right up to 2010 as the YCNY only chose a singer, whereas A Song For Europe which was the National final for the bulk of the years the UK participated only selected a song and the singer was internally chosen. While making your mind up and your decision and possibly some others decided both song and singer. This needs to be changed as it is really misleading! 82.5.224.82 (talk)
- ^ UK act hits Eurovision low, BBC News, 25 May 2003