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German Shepherd vs Alsatian(Same Thing)
Is in not true the German Shepherd and Alsation are not indeed the same thing? I believe German Shepherds to generally be of a more pure breed from German Lineage amd Alsations to be bred from a more English lineage to look the same as a German Shepherd. I have generally, for one this found Alsations to have a more pointy snout and to be more, generally speaking fair in colour.
If someone could either comfirm this, or set me straight, I would greatly appreciate it. RyanvR
I don't have the sources on me, but they are indeed the same dog. The British changed the name from GSD to Alsatian after WWII because of anti German feelings. Many other countries did aswell, however, many have since changed the name back to GSD.
In response to appearance, some breeds do vary slightly from country yo country. I believe the English line of Labrador Retrievers are a bit taller and not as stocky as their American counter parts. 173.61.237.150 (talk) 04:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
- Incorrect; the name was changed in Britain after WWI, as the article describes. But they are the same dog; I had what my folks called an Alsatian when I was small, and it wasn't until I was adult that I realized that "Alsatian" is what many Jews in the US were calling German Shepherds in the '50s. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
- has nothing to do with what "Jews in the US were calling German Shepherds in the '50s" - it was what they were called in the UK during WWII. The name was officially changed back to German Shepherd Dog (from "Alsatian Wolf Dog") in 1977; according to the breed's book published in the Terra Nova breed series. The breed book published by The Kennel Club Books states the same thing and further states that it was known as "Shepherd Dogs" or "Police Dogs" in the US during the same WWII period. try to get your facts sourced right - and please don't respond saying your parents were American Jews in the 1950s. i'll happily conceded the point if you provide a source other than that. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.243.83 (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'll say whatever I damn please, anecdotal or otherwise, on talk pages; if I were attempting to put it in the article, you'd have a point to make here. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- has nothing to do with what "Jews in the US were calling German Shepherds in the '50s" - it was what they were called in the UK during WWII. The name was officially changed back to German Shepherd Dog (from "Alsatian Wolf Dog") in 1977; according to the breed's book published in the Terra Nova breed series. The breed book published by The Kennel Club Books states the same thing and further states that it was known as "Shepherd Dogs" or "Police Dogs" in the US during the same WWII period. try to get your facts sourced right - and please don't respond saying your parents were American Jews in the 1950s. i'll happily conceded the point if you provide a source other than that. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.243.83 (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- The Chinese still call the breed Wolf-Dog. 86.176.48.3 (talk) 14:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Playing
I'm thinking the "playing" section doesn't belong. It's pretty much material for a how-to guide, and isn't specific to GSD's anyway (many breeds need active play, and some need a heck of a lot more than a GSD.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 17:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Somebody messing with the article?
Some defenitely false info in the article
In *Origins*, the first line: In Europe during the 1700 BCE , attempts were being made to standardize breeds.
and later: To combat these differences, the Phylax Society was formed in 1791 with
and: In 1899, Von Stephanitz was attending a dog show when he was shown a dog named Elkein Shekletor. Elkein was 1/4th wolf. Elkein was the ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.93.84 (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Fixed those mentioned above (1800s; 1891; Hektor Linksrhein) --- Lp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakiopaalu (talk • contribs) 13:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article was definetely vandalized, I went back and found some more that was changed and sources were removed, I think I fixed everything. ~~ GB fan ~~ 15:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- The part "1/4th wolf" is false, I belive.
- Pedigree for Hector:
- http://gsdonline.com/bszs/index.php?sz=1 and http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/1208.html
- His maternal grandfather (Greif (from kennel Sparwasser)) was a white dog, so genetically he was 1/4 white (not in appearance, though; black and gray, not "black and tan" like most of the showline dogs today)
- ---- Lakiopaalu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakiopaalu (talk • contribs) 11:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Redirect?
Is there any real reason German Shepherd redirects here, German Shepherd Dog. Why isn't German Shepherd the location of the article? -Deathsythe (talk) 19:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- German Shepherd Dog is the proper name, just like Belgian Shepherd Dog or Anatolian Shepherd Dog Anna talk 18:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Except that the vast majority of reliable sources don't support this assertion at all. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 09:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Requested move
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- German Shepherd Dog → German Shepherd
- Anatolian Shepherd Dog → Anatolian Shepherd
- Georgian Shepherd Dog → Georgian Shepherd
- Belgian Shepherd Dog → Belgian Shepherd
– The current names are blatant viewpoint-pushing transgressions of WP:COMMONNAME. Most reliable sources, both dog-specialized and general, give the name of the breed as "German Shepherd" or usually as "German shepherd" outside of dog-specific publications (that capitalization fetish is hardly universal, even in dog publications; I don't want to address the capitalization issue at this time, because it's still under discussion at WT:MOSCAPS more broadly, and I doubt consensus will be reached without a site-wide RfC advertised via WP:VPP and WP:CD). "German shepherd dog" (lower case) could make sense in prose, but only when used in a context in which one might misunderstand "German shepherd" as a reference to sheep-herders from Deutschland. It's totally redundant when used with the capitalized version "German Shepherd", and redundant 9 times out of 10 even in lower case. If there is any case in which disambiguation is needed somehow, use " (dog)". This would then match the practice used for all other domestic animals (e.g. Siamese (cat), and so on). "Dog", "Cat", "Horse", etc., are not added except in the unusual case that it's almost universally used that way for the particular breed in spoken and written English. E.g., no one says "I have a Norwegian Forest and an American Quarter. But no one says "I have a Beagle Dog and a German Shepherd Dog". The opposite is generally true of dog types and landraces, e.g. mountain dog, sled dog, etc., which should not be renamed. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 09:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- Rename, as nominator. I'd bet US$10,000 that less than 1% of people who arrive at German Shepherd Dog by editing the URL bar or entering text in a search field got there by using the phrase "German Shepherd Dog", capitalized or not. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 09:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Ear Health
I could be wrong but I read in a book by animal planet that since their ears are pointed up they allow for good air flow and are less prone to ear infection. Also that they are more likely to get dirt in them and should be cleaned once in a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.164.136 (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)