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My gf and i are having problems, she thinks i think the comp more than her. Pls help. 96.4.165.117 (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I make my citation of the more reliable source verifiable for others?

How do I find a copy of

Intermédiaire des Chercheurs et Curieux (in French). 21. Paris. 1971. ISSN 0020-5613. LCCN 56038557. OCLC 6976355 http://books.google.com/books?id=QhUFAQAAIAAJ. Retrieved 17 March 2013. {{cite journal}}: Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

to verify the meaning of a French language article, that the only redacted English language translation, found online, seems to have important text excluded that can be seen in Google snippet view; and, to cite the issue, column numbers, title and author of the article in the more reliable print source.

I believe the print publication would have more text than the redacted English language translation contains but claims to be an "in extenso" reproduction. Also, the redacted English language translation cites three pages, pp. 820 to 822, but using snippet view with different queries would give a different combined three pages, pp.819 to 821.

The redacted English language translation is from a site that may have a conflict of interest in what I think is possibly a 120+ year hoax, that I included as part of Joseph René Vilatte, that was repudiated by the print publication's article, over 50 years ago but still survives.

How do I then make my citation of the more reliable source verifiable for others?BoBoMisiu (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources which are visible online are nice, as are sources in English, but neither is a requirement for Wikipedia policy. Simply put, being publicly available, such as a published book which can be found in a range of public and university libraries, is usually sufficient. If the source exists in English as well as a foreign language, it's nice to use the English source preferentially, and if the source exists online, it's nice to link to that source, but neither is a requirement, and sources which aren't in English, and/or aren't availible online are not considered less reliable, or less verifiable, than sources which are. See Wikipedia:Verifiability, which states, in part, "Other people should in principle be able to check that material in a Wikipedia article has been published by a reliable source. This implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may only be available in university libraries." (bold mine) and "Citations to non-English sources are allowed. However, because this is the English-language Wikipedia, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones, where English sources of equal quality and relevance are available." If the French version and English version are not equivalent, that is if there is more information in the French version, cite that one. If the two are substantially identical, cite the English one. And also, if the source is not available online, that matters not one bit. Just give the full bibliographic data about the source so others can obtain it from a library. --Jayron32 19:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The French is more reliable but inaccessible to me, except in snippet view. I can't vouch for the meaning because I can't read it. Do I mark up in some way my opinion in the citation about the redacted translation? I don't know what is missing. I can read French. I know names are missing from the translation. 3 university libraries and a major US library in town don't carry that issue.BoBoMisiu (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Cite Gettysburg Commission Reports

Can someone please tell me why this template has an error in it and how to fix it. It (the error) comes from 1913 Gettysburg reunion. It seems to be a very important template so I don't want to mess with it until I fully understand how the template works. Jodosma (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Heya Jodosma, thanks for stopping by. You need to specify the specific year each time you call the template so the specific, correct report can be referenced. Add the parameter like this : {{Cite Gettysburg Commission Reports|version = XXXX}} where XXXX is the year of the report as listed on this page. The documentation at Template:Cite Gettysburg Commission Reports explains this a bit, though I agree the wording could be a bit better, such as explaining that the version parameter is mandatory, and needs to have a value that matches the specific year of the report. There's also a couple of extra, optional parameters such as "accessdate" (the date you read the report when you cited it) and "dateform" which allows you to provide a consistent date format across any article where it is used. Does that help? --Jayron32 19:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, improper use of a confusing template error... What I've just done is modify the template to have a proper default value. I would be happy to add some logic to help explain errors better to make sure the template is used right in the future upon request. Technical 13 (talk) 19:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Book on Constitutional Studies

Hi,

I understand that there is a book on Constitutional studies that many use to better understand the Constitution that you guys sell. Is it possible to get the book or the name of the book and where to purchase it. I saw the list of books that were on the list that you provide. But which is the best all around book for unde4rstandin the Constitution so than I can get a copy or two. Thanks

Alan BraithwaiteAlan.Braithwaite (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Hello again and again :P I need to redirect a page (List of U2 Songs) to U2 Discography. Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done Technical 13 (talk) 17:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!! Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you both sure that it's logical for List of U2 Songs to redirect to U2 discography while List of U2 songs redirects to List of songs recorded by U2? I would have thought that this was likely to cause confusion. If you want to move the target of the redirect of List of U2 songs (which would be the correct capitalisation), then I would suggest that you discuss it on the relevant talk pages, but the current target seems the more logical one. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

You're right David, and because of this I've modified the redirect of List of U2 Songs → List of songs recorded by U2 and created List of U2 albums → U2 discography. I'm rushing along working on other projects and I didn't properly spend the time needed to rationalize all of the names... Technical 13 (talk) 18:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. In the future, you can do this yourself by clicking on a link to the page you want to redirect and clicking on the edit button, or typing it in the search box and clicking on the red link that comes up if it hasn't been created, and entering the following text: "#REDIRECT [[Name of article you want to redirect to]]". — Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Userbox

Hello, I want to create a userbox that allows to the user change his/her favourite u2 album and it shows the change. Like the userbox that shows the favourite number of the user. Can anyone help me?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I might be able to help. Show me the Userbox that you are talking about please.--Amadscientist (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Miss Bono! I always look forward to the next question from you! One of the best places to ask for such a thing as help with a userbox is with the fine people over at WikiProject Userboxes (which I happen to be a member of). Hit me up on my talk page linking the favorite number userbox, the file (picture) you want to use or text for the little square, the text/information you want in the long box, and any specific colors or whatnot you are looking for and I'll put something together for you. :) Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I need help with this page!!!

I am trying to create my 1st wikipedia page about a Mix engineer named Ken Lewis. He mixes all of the mainstream artists in the industry. The only problem is that this is my first time and I really don't know what I am doing. I had his discography on there but then it got removed and now I am getting several errors. I read the guidelines but it still doesn't tell me how to resolve this problem. Someone please help me.

This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to deletion.

This article may be in need of reorganization to comply with Wikipedia's layout guidelines. Please help by editing the article to make improvements to the overall structure. (May 2013)

This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia's guide to writing better articles for suggestions. (May 2013)

This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (May 2013)

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2013)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lewis_(mix_engineer)

2thumbsupllc (talk) 14:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 2thumbsup and welcome to The Teahouse. You need some independent reliable sources such as magazines and newspapers that discuss Lewis in detail. You also need to stay away from such language as "industry legends", "premier songs", "genius" and "tons of outboard gear". These words sound like they are promoting the man and don't reflect a neutral point of view. There is also inconsistency in capitalization, and you go back and forth from "Ken Lewis" to Ken" when, really, it should just be "Lewis" after the first reference. I don't see the article as beyond salvaging.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Changing Article Name "Moving?"

I am attempting to change/bring uptdates to the wiki page. The current title is Harry Fox Agency, but we want it to read "The Harry Fox Agency, Inc." Can someone help me with this? I looked it up and it said something about using the "move" tab, but I do not have a move tab on my profile at the top. Please help. NmotleyHFA (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

•  Done TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I do not see a response from TheOriginialSoni. Can someone help me address my issue? NmotleyHFA (talk) 13:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

TheOriginalSoni has moved the article. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 13:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse NmotleyHFA! I'm afraid that would violate the article naming policy ("The" specifically), so I'm moving the article back. Also, you may want to read up on our conflict of interest guidelines before adding any more content to your employers article. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey T13. I see this as the only relevant line at WP:THE - Sometimes, the article "The" is also used at the beginning of the names of companies. Could you please clarify if there is any other policy I'm missing? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The company seems to mostly refer to itself as "HFA". You can see in the post directly below this response, NmotleyHFA himself refers to the company like this, not to mention his username (which may be against the username policy (company name and implied shared use specifically)) itself uses "HFA". There is no evidence at this point that the word "The" is actually part of the companies name and there are examples on their own website where they refer to themselves as "... the Harry Fox Agency ..." with the lowercase "the" implying that it is in fact not part of the name of the company. As I said, if there can be proof submitted that verifies that "The" is actually in the name, then your note above would be one of the "sometimes". Hope this answers your question. :) Technical 13 (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I dont consider most of what you said to be evidence, but I do agree that the company must have some sources to verify it uses "The" in its name frequently. Also, his username seems okay to me. Thanks for clarifying :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Technical 13, I was directed by the marketing director to change the article to fit with the brand and reputation of HFA. This should not be an issue as it is positive and accurate reflection of the company. Please move back. NmotleyHFA (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Can it be moved to read "Harry Fox Agency, Inc."? As that is the companies actual name. NmotleyHFA (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Can someone help me move it back? NmotleyHFA (talk) 14:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

It could only be moved back according to the guidelines if you can offer some independent reliable source that declares what the companies registered name is, and then it can be moved (renamed) to that. Technical 13 (talk) 14:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nmotley. You seem to be a bit confused over Wikipedia's purpose - as an encyclopedia, we are not particularly concerned with ensuring that our articles fit the brand and reputation of the companies they cover. As a matter of fact, we actively avoid editing in ways that could be seen to promote a company or its interests; Wikipedia tries to present independently published information about topics in the most neutral manner possible. I'm afraid, therefore, that you and your company don't get to dictate the title and/or content of the article; the text is decided upon by Wikipedia's style and content guidelines. You might also want to have a read of the FAQs for companies and the conflict of interest guideline before continuing to edit. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Opinion article

If I create an article about someone's opinion of a particular product, do I need secondary sources too? and what would those secondary sources be? Thanks Booklaunch (talk) 12:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

You will have to make sure that the opinion is notable enough for its own article. You will probably need secondary sources which discuss the opinion in detail. If you don't find them, then add the opinion to the article of that particular product. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 12:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Booklaunch, can you give us an example of what you're looking to do? If, for example, you there's an article for "Book X" and you want to note in the article that John J. Smith opined that it's the best American novel of the 1990s, then it would be appropriate to cite Smith's opinion in the "Book X" article provided Smith's opinion is significant in the field of literature. Ideally, like you note, it'd be from a secondary source, so instead of quoting Smith directly, it'd be ideal to cite from a larger article which itself notes Smith's opinion. Does that make some sense? Is that more or less your question? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mathew. That makes sense, thanks. I just need to cite according to article so and so from newspaper X, John Smith says that the book is a load of crap/ very good. So the last bit is a statement of fact for that particular source right? Booklaunch (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Special previleges

If I create an article, have I got special previleges over its editting. I mean after its creation? Thanks Booklaunch (talk) 12:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Booklaunch. None whatsoever. Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Pausanias

Hello. While I'm an established user of Persian Wikipedia, I'm not familiar with the English Wikipedia procedures. I didn't know where to make my request, so I did here! Currently, Pausanias is a redirect to Pausanias (geographer) but there is no obvious reason why to prefer the geographer to others. Please ask an admin to delete Pausanias and then move Pausanias (disambiguation) to Pausanias just like the French Wikipedia. Thanks 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi 4nn1l2, welcome to en-wiki. I agree with your reasoning; I'll sort out the page move now. For future reference, in cases like this where you can't move the page yourself, you can file a request at the requested moves board, or tag the page to be deleted with {{db-move}}. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

youtube upload

Hi, can we upload youtube videos? Would be interesting to show that in music articles for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevendigits (talk • contribs) 09:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! No, you can not! Most of the videos are under "All rights reserved" and a good number of videos contain copyright violated materials. --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

However you can upload the samples of the songs. Have a look at WP:SAMPLE. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 10:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

well, thats too bad. thanks vibhijainSevendigits (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

copyright issue

Regarding the copyright of pictures of paintings in wiki i would like to know about its legitimacy.Photographs of paintings on internet are either owned by artists or usually copyrighted.As this pictures are not found in public domain, then how did those pictures of paintings manage to find its way to wikipedia. And is it right to post pictures of famous paintings I come across on internet on wikipedia?And if I am not allowed then please tell me what kind of pic are allowed to be posted and what kind are not.Michaeljackson56 (talk) 05:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Michael. There's a lot to cover in terms of Wikipedia's image use policy, so I'll be as brief as I can. Most well-known paintings by famous artists of the past are now in the public domain, meaning that they can be freely reused - an example would be Vermeer's The Procuress. Artworks by living or recently deceased artists are usually reproduced under fair use, which allows copyrighted works to be reused in certain specific circumstances. An example of the latter would be Hirst's For The Love Of God.

As far as reusing images is concerned, public domain pictures are free to reuse. Fair use is much more restrictive, so you are unlikely to be able to reuse pictures which fall into this category. A simple rule of thumb is that if you find a picture hosted at Wikimedia Commons, you can reuse it as you wish, whereas if the picture is hosted on Wikipedia itself, there are probably restrictions on its use. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

did I resubmit - what happens now?

Hi, I finished making changes to an article that had been rejected previousy. I edited it a number of times and finally hit "resubmit." Then a new section empty window appeared. I went to the history which has all my edits. However, I can't tell if it was submitted for review or not. Is there a way to determine that. The history page did not reflect it. How can I make sure my article we submitted correctly? Also, if it was, what happens next?

Thanks. Am I doing the signature right? 09Athena (talk) 03:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In the box at the top of your AFC draft it says "When you are ready to resubmit, click here." That's the place to click to resubmit your draft.

Yes, your signature is fine. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

David, thank you for responding so quickly and confirming the sig works.

I wasn't having trouble finding the link to resubmit. My concern was that after clicking it, all I saw was the "new section" empty window even though I didn't need to start a new section. I assumed that after resubmitting Wiki would provide text like "thank you for your submission a reviewer will read it...." Please advise. Thank you!70.112.7.216 (talk) 12:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

When you hit the click here to resubmit, the new section window isn't empty. It includes, as well as some instructions, the code {{subst:submit}}. When you accept the Save, you'll see a new box on the page, headed "Review waiting." - David Biddulph (talk) 12:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

translation

Hello! I was hoping to be involved in translation and other things on wikipedia and was wondering where best to go next. 50.100.62.76 (talk) 02:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. A good starting point would be Wikipedia:Translation; there are numerous links, suggestions and guidelines there to help you. Thanks for volunteering! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all, you are encouraged to create an account. If you want to translate articles, then you should go to the respective edition of Wikipedia. For example, if you want to translate articles into Spanish, you should go to Spanish Wikipedia. In case you want to translate interface messages (the messages which you come across while editing Wikipedia), you can go to this page to find translation requests. For example, if you want to translate the messages into Hindi, then write the language code of Hindi (hi) and then click on "Show statistics" button. The n you may click on any message group. After that, you will reach such a page. You can click on "Untranslated", and then click on the Edit button next to the messages. You can write the translation and then save it. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 07:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

how do you add music samples to a wiki page

Hi, I want to update a music listing page that has been on wiki for some time and want to put up a music sample and make a 'background box ' around the photo, how do I do this Jessicatheone (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse Jessicatheone. The guidelines for adding music samples are at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed width — table help

Is there any way to make all columns of all cells of a table easily? For example— 13.5%? --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Tito! Of course there is a way to do just that thing! If you set the width for all of the columns in the first row to 13.5%, all of the rest of the rows will follow suit as in this example:

column 1	column 2	column 3	column 4
and	all	of	the
rest	will	follow	along no matter how much text you put in any one cell
or	how	many	rows you make.

Hope that helps! Technical 13 (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

It DEFINITELY helps! --Tito Dutta (contact) 01:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Wildcard search in article titles

Hi, I want to search for living people with particular initials, for example for living people with the initials DP. However, I don't think asterisks are recognized as wildcards when they follow intitle. For example, I don't get any results when I search for intitle: (D* P*) incategory:"living people", even though there is a Wikipedia article on Douglas Preston, a living novelist who's categorized as a living person. Similarly, when I search intitle: (Taj Mahal), I get the article on the Taj Mahal, but I don't get any results when I search for intitle: (T* Mahal). Can someone help me figure out how I can run my search? I'm aware of the two tools on the tool server that allow one use regular expressions. However, I don't think the two tools have the ability to restrict the search to article titles. Thanks for your help, Clark Clark x zhang (talk) 23:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse Clark x zhang. I don't believe that there are any tools that answer exactly that question. There are a range of tools and opportunities to request tools be built as part of WP:Toolserver. Could you expand on what it is you're trying to achieve with this search, as there maybe another way to find the information you seek? Stuartyeates (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stuartyeates, I'm actually a medical student interested in implementing a variation of the Dominic Mnemonic System <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_dominic_system>. To do this quickly, I have to be able to find the names of people with certain initials. Do you have any suggestions for how I can achieve this? Thanks for your help, Clark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clark x zhang (talk • contribs) 03:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Much as I hate to point you somewhere other than Wikipedia, lol. :) You should be able to do it by searching the persondata fields in biographies for 'alternative names', but many (most) are missing the info.....but.. you can search the 'merged' authority control database at viaf.org (search for 'personal names', and put in the initials). Just at random, I put in "D. C.", and the first of 10,000+ entries that came up was Voltaire. Apparently he used the pseudonym "Dom Calmet" at some point.

VIAF only covers people who have works held by libraries, though....for a better 'random' list of names, go to familysearch.org, which is the web interface to the LDS church genealogical database... literally millions for "D. C.".. first is D C Abbot, from the 1940 census in Springfield, Oregon....his wife was Frankie. :)

Kinda random advice for here, but hope it helps. :) Revent (talk) 07:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Exactly what qualifies as a secondary source?

Scientists write and publish a lot of papers on their research in peer-reviewed journals, which would be considered primary sources. In some areas, reliable secondary sources seem difficult to find. I often find numerous additional peer-reviewed papers that cite, but do not discuss the original work in any detail.

This is the trouble I am having with the PingER Project article I am creating. I feel concerned, because just one group of collaborators has published the core information on this subject, however they are repeatedly cited by other authors, unrelated to the project. Are they considered secondary sources?

I will check back here for a reply. Wikfr (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

People who worked on the project directly would be primary sources; the authors you mention having cited these primary sources would be secondary sources.

For example, a report by the scientists who carry out an experiment is a primary source; information about the experiment in a paper citing this report is a secondary source.

I hope this helps.  — TORTOISEWRATH 20:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse Wikfr. A secondary source is one that builds entirely on the work of independent primary sources. In the scientific field review articles are the main secondary sources. Pretty much everything published in Category:Annual Reviews academic journals or Category:Physics review journals counts as a secondary source. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that helps a lot! Wikfr (talk) 21:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You might be able to find 'related' background information by searching for stories about the "Internet Traffic Report". They provide a 'live' version of the same thing for network admins. It's a free service of one of the big ISPs. What makes it relevant (and I know they have been talked about in Wired and the like) is that they have literally been running the exact same site, without redesign, for over 15 years....compare today and Dec 12, 1998. (LOL) I think the 'idea' was actually based directly on PingER. Revent (talk) 08:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Help with creating first article about a business

I want to create an article about a midwestern baking company called Aunt millie's. If you search Sunbeam Bread, they are listed as a licensee. I have done significant research on this company and would like to submit a basic articel, similar to the one for "Schmidt Baking Company", also a licensee of Sunbeam bread. I do work for this company, but I am a low level manager. I do not own stock and the article will not be to promote the company, but to inform Wiki readers of the history of this 110 year old organization. I believe i can find numerous independent sources, but I am unsure on the notability requirement. Please advise how to best proceed and, if possible, translate some of the rules so I can understand them. Thank you in advance.PWCrackers (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, PWCrackers, and welcome to the tea house. Thanks for coming here and asking.

The issue about conflict of interest is nothing to do with whether you own any stock, but is about whether you will be able to write about it in a sufficiently neutral way. I accept that you do not intend it to be promotional, but the problem is that you may not see statements as promotional which people unconnected with the company regard that way. But editing with a conflict of interest is not forbidden: if you understand the dangers, and are confident you can overcome them, you are welcome to try. I suggest you look at WP:Your first article. As to notability, if you can indeed find numerous independent sources (that discuss the company in a substantial way - not just listings or directory entries) then the company is by definition notable. Be aware that everything in the article must be referenced (though for uncontroversial factual data the company's own website or publications are acceptable): information from your own experience only is not acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Crackers! I might add to the above that your references (other than the non controversial stuff you might reference to the company's website) Have to be from independent, reliable sources. In a nutshell, what makes a source reliable is the use of some sort of fact checking by them. Newspapers, books (by mainline publishers, not the places that publish books if you pay them to) and magazines are almost always reliable. Many, but not all, of the sites you find on the internet are not. Newspaper and magazine's websites are fine. For others, you want to look for some evidence of referencing or other indications of fact checking. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Birth death year template

See the infobox of Alasinga Perumal. The data I have so far: born: 1865 died: 11 May 1909. Now a) in the death parameter "date" is not showing b) it is displaying (aged -45–-44), I want is as (aged 44—45) (with an emdash and without the hyphen)! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tito. Templates are there to make our life easier. Since this wasn't just scrap using the template. So I simply wrote it manually (which I was about to fix to display the date also, but you already did)! Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Tito! I've taken a look at the information that you had in there and have selected the correct template based on your known information. There is a whole slew of birth/death templates, and picking the correct one can be confusing. {{BirthDeathAge| |birthYear |birthMonth |birthDay |deathYear |deathMonth |deathDay }} is usually the best one I have found for these things because you simply put the information in that you have leaving the rest of the arguments empty (but defined). For your example where you are missing birthMonth and birthDay it looks like {{BirthDeathAge| |1865| | |1909|05|11}}

Excellent! Thanks! --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking for newbies to cooperate against obstructive editors!

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Some editors on wikipedia are obstructing me from editting! They take turns in removing my edits. I thought the newbies ,as myself, could cooperate against older editors manipulations of the 3 reverse rule and unfair games! Please leave me a message on my page! Thanks! Sevendigits (talk) 11:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree that edit decision messaging to new users could be more polite, and take into account that content already present may itself be breaking the rules that they seek to enforce on new users, new users who therefore understandably might post similarly, even if that formally breaks the rules. Dan_R._Anderson (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sevendigits, I'm afraid that the Teahouse is here to help new users, not enlist them to start a crusade. If you are having problems with other editors reverting your edits, the first step is to discuss it with them - if they prove to be unresponsive, there are dispute resolution processes you can undergo to resolve the situation. Please don't try and drag other new users, especially those who are still in the process of getting to grips with Wikipedia, into your personal disputes. Dan, if you're interested in improving the templates and messages directed at new users, you might like to get involved with the Welcoming committee and the Editor retention project, both of which are concerned with improving the early experiences of new users here. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Dan, dont try and solve the problem here, go somewhere else (sarcasm) Sevendigits (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Gaming the system to avoid the penalties of the 3rr rule is the kind of disruptive behavior that will quickly get you blocked. I'm simply going to say, don't do it. Request a 3rd opinion, take it to the dispute resolution noticeboard, or submit the suspected sockpuppets to the sock puppet investigation team. Don't try and go all vigilante and round up a posse and stoop to feeding the trolls. Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

technical 13, thanks for being so welcomingSevendigits (talk) 15:17, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Contributors

Is it possible to discuss articles with other contributors?

Thanks

RacingArchivist (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course you can, that is what the talk pages are for! Thus Spake Lee Tru. 10:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi RacingArchivist. Yes, as Lee Tru intimates, each article has a corresponding talk page where you can discuss the article. When you are at the article you wish to discuss, simply hit the tab labeled "talk" at the top left of your screen to access its talk page. Note, though, that the talk page is for discussing improvements to an article and is not a forum for general discussion of the topic of the article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

How can I upload an image or other media easily?

everytime i try to upload something the imagetaggingbot blocks it! what should i do? Rashid Mubasher Talha (talk) 08:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you are not choosing a correct license.Zince34' 08:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The picture File:NusratJehanAcademySeal.jpg has been tagged because you have not provided evidence of fair use. You need to edit that page and add the appropriate information showing why the image can be used on Wikipedia: use the format:

{{Non-free use rationale logo

| Article =

| Use =

| Purpose =

| Used for =

| Owner =

| Description =

| Website =

| History =

| Commentary =

| Source =

| Portion =

| Low resolution =

| Replaceability =

| Other information =

}}

The obligatory fields are Article, Use and Purpose, but you should fill in as many of the others as you can as well. Full details for using this template can be found here. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks i'm all done Rashid Mubasher Talha (talk) 13:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing could be improved (a website would be appropriate, although it doesn't look as though they have one yet) but generally that looks fine. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:37, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Image issues.

I have noticed two issues when using PM. One is that many graphics are very small and while detailed are very difficult to read unless enlarged. I would like to suggest an initiative to try to have minimum graphics sizes as part of the suggested formatting. The other is many times there are maps showing the location of something such as a country. The position is marked by a dot. When You click on the graphic the map comes up, but the dot is gone. Other times the enlarged graphic is missing data compared to the smaller version. Where do you go to talk about or report things like this? 71.108.142.225 (talk) 05:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The first comment is in the process of getting fixed, while the second... that is something I have not noticed but should be easy to fix, actually, I have found that a country is always filled in in green. However, that said, Why dont you create an account and fix this I would be glad to help. Thus Spake Lee Tru. 10:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this copyright info right?

I posted this pic from Jason's website listed under "press photo", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Press_Photo_-_Author_Jason_P._Stadtlander.jpg specifically for public use. I also contacted his publishing company "Ashian Ink" and they responded saying it could be used on Wikipedia, but I always seem to have problems getting around the copyright bot on this thing. Can anyone tell me if I did this right? I also have a picture one of his fans took at a book signing last summer if I should use that one instead. Any Advice would be helpful. B4theword (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

The picture you took, would probably be easier, but you should be able to use the other one too, I relay don't know -- Thus Spake Lee Tru. 19:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

B4theword, the problem with the image is that the licence is restrictive. ideally licences that are free are wanted, images that are licensed for use only on Wikipedia, or only for non-commercial or educational use, or under a license that doesn't allow for the creation of modified/derived works, are unsuitable. The phrase "public domain for press use" is, I'm afraid, meaningless it's either public domain for everything or it isn't. If you want to use an image taken by someone else you are going to have to obtain the permission of the person who took the photo. An example of a consent letter can be found at WP:CONSENT and needs, once completed, to be sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. NtheP (talk) 21:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Nthep, thank you. That makes sense (I think). I get so confused with all the copyright laws these days. There are so many restrictions and details. In the interest of simplicity I think I'll swap out the image for the one I took at a book signing. Thank you! B4theword (talk) 16:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Bare URLs

I just had my first page created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carli there is a notation regarding bare URLs I have attempted to fix it can someone look at my efforts and comment? Thanks in advance Rob ConnecticutHistorian (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I corrected it with {{Cite web}}.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks...

Assume the notation at top will disappear? Rob ConnecticutHistorian (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• No, but I removed it :) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I get an update on a page I have submitted for publication?

I submitted a page for publication on the 6th May, but I am not sure of its status - what channel do I use to ask Wikipedia about this ? Adambarlow75 (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Adam. When somebody reviews your page, they should update the Review box at the bottom of the page. Until that happens, it probably hasn't been looked at.

Looking at it now, I see that you have put your citations as external references within the text, rather than as proper citations. This will not necessarily mean that the article will be rejected, though it needs to be fixed in the long term. But it has the effect that at first glance the article looks as if it has no references; and when you notice that they are there, you can't easily see what sources are used, and so whether or not they are reliable and independent. It would be make the job of reviewing very much easier if you were to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and convert your links to proper references. --ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Adam. It is easier for other editors to answer your question if you provide a link to the page concerned. In this case I am guessing that you might be referring to User:Adambarlow75/sandbox. If that is the case, in the box at the foot of the page it says "This submission is waiting to be reviewed. This may take several days. The Articles for creation process is backlogged. Please be patient. There are currently 731 pending submissions (1 over 2 weeks old, 295 over 1 week old) waiting for review at this page." Without pre-empting the result of that review, I would point out that your draft does contain many in-line external links, which Wikipedia doesn't like, and it contains no references, which Wikipedia does want to see. You therefore ought to read WP:External links and WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm busy reviewing it now - you will recieve a notice about the result on your Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks blooming good for a first article, doesn't it-!!!! Basket _Feudalist 16:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website, ?

In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website? Borgew (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. It is simple, you put your website's link inside the [] and then your name separated by a space (for ex. Borgew). There you go. Hope it helps. happy editing!!.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Mind you, remember the necessity to avoid contentious usernames etc... Basket _Feudalist 14:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

See also WP:SIG#EL which suggests not to add external link in signature! --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding Audio

How do I embed an audio file into a section of my wiki page?

Ekalinowski (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Welcome to the Teahouse. Try this

Just change the info insde the template for what you want.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I have changed the song you placed above. I would not normally change another user's writing in any way. However, here what you placed was a copyright violation, the song being fair use in certain articles discussing the song itself and nowhere else. The song I replaced it with is freely-licensed. Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops!! Didn't know that, thanks, friend. And Sorry-  Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Upload a file

Hello, i'm currently writing an article about a company and I would like to add the logo of the company on the article. I've already looked at the Wikipedia help page about it and I would send an Email to the owner of the picture to ask about the copyright permission. The thing is that the picture don't come from any website. Actually, I received this picture via Email from the director of the company. So how should I ask him about the copyright permission? My main issue is to link the picture since I don't have any URL. Marc.gem Marc.gem (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Company logos are typically copyright protected and can only be uploaded under Fair Use guidelines except in rare circumstances. The director probably doesn't have the rights to release, so it should probably be uploaded to English Wikipedia under fair use. The "Upload file" wizard in the toolbox on the left side of the screen can be used to do this. Wikipedia doesn't link pictures so you don't need a url. I would be aware of conflict of interest issues if you are directly involved with the company. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 13:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm back with another problem. I tried as Froggerlaura ^ribbit advised me to do, to upload the file under fair use on wikicommons with the upload wizard tool. But when I put this template:

on the licensing part, this message appears: This media file may meet the criteria for speedy deletion.

The given reason is: This file is copyrighted and not published under a free license, and the uploader asserts that the usage of this file is fair use, but fair use claims are not permitted on Commons.

What should I do? Thanks in advance Marc.gem (talk) 09:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Ps: How to fill the box above ? The purpose of use for example.

Well, I think you should have seen it in the template. Zince34' 09:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit: I did filled the template but this message still appears: This media file may meet the criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: This file is copyrighted and not published under a free license, and the uploader asserts that the usage of this file is fair use, but fair use claims are not permitted on Commons. This file may be deleted without further notice. If the project that this file is to be used on allows fair use, and its usage would comply with the project's appropriate exemptions, please upload it locally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc.gem (talk • contribs) 09:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Which is the file ? Zince34' 09:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

It is a logo of a French company. Marc.gem (talk) 12:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I would guess, based on the information above, that you're attempting to upload the file to Wikimedia Commons, rather than Wikipedia. Commons can't accept non-free images, so you can't add files that are being used under fair use. Instead, you need to upload the file to Wikipedia itself, using the File Upload Wizard. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's it! So if I directly go to wikipedia, fair use template will be accepted as well as my picture? Thanks a lot for your help. Marc.gem (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

That's right (well, assuming it meets the Fair Use requirements). Commons is a sister project to Wikipedia, rather than (as many new users think) "the bit of Wikipedia where we keep our pictures"; it has slightly different rules about what can and can't be uploaded. Let me know if you need a hand sorting out the fair use rationale. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair use images cannot be uploaded to Commons. They are only uploaded to English Wikipedia. Go to this page. One of the prompts will be for logos. Make sure the image is low resolution and small. The "purpose" most used for logos is that they aid in identification of the company they represent. You will need to have an article in mainspace (not in your sandbox) in order to insert the image and ensure it won't be deleted. Fair use images not associated with an article are quickly deleted. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 12:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Article deletion. No response to questions.

Hi, An article created in English Wikipedia by a person whom I was helping to start editing is deleted twice. The article topic was "Maggie Shah". Maggie Shah is one of the top women entrepreneur in Nepal. I don't know about what the contributor wrote. I want to help her with the article. I've requested to the person (Who has deleted it) to userify the article. Can you please help me in this regards? I am also looking for expansion of wiki projects in Nepal from Wikimedia Nepal. The Notability you've set in English Wikipedia has really discouraged to new users. --Ganesh Paudel (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ganesh. I've userfied the article at User:SamanaShrestha/Maggie Shah. I'm sorry that you find the notability guidelines difficult for new users (I assume the Nepali ones are less stringent) but trust me, given the avalanche of inappropriate articles we get, they are sorely needed. You might want to point your protege at WP:42, which concisely summaries the basic notability requirements here. Thanks for helping new contributors. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

RCP

How could I become a RC Partoller? Zince34' 08:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Zince. There's no official requirement for RCP (although it helps to be familiar with Wikipedia's basic guidelines). Just click the "Recent changes" link (under "Interaction" in the sidebar menus ←) and take a look at the list of recent edits - check them individually for vandalism and/or errors. There are full instructions at WP:RCP. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

draft of an article

Hello, I have written a draft of an article which i believe meets all the criteria for wikipedia... Can I have someone look at this in PDF form before I begin...it still needs some polishing..in a few areas.

Many thanks for your advice, Kristen

Kristenneymarc (talk) 05:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Kristen, Where is your draft? Your only edit except for your post here is to User:Kristenneymarc/sandbox, and that page is virtually empty, saying only "Neymarc Visuals". Also we do not take articles in PDF format; text has to be in wikicode.

Also I am concerned from the similarity of your username to "Neymarc Visuals" that you may be intending to write about a company that you are personally connected with. While that is not forbidden, it is discouraged: Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 05:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Placing language tags on a user talk page

Hello! I'm back with yet another problem: I cannot successfully place interlanguage links (e.g. "[[fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna]]" for French, etc.) on my talk page. Would somebody please tell me why this is—and how I can possibly fix it? Thank you. — |J~Pæst| 22:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back. Help:Interlanguage links#Method says: "Interlanguage links in Talk pages and on Meta will appear inline in the text, like regular links, so you can cite other pages in discussion." You can make interlanguage links on your user page but not the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. I did not realize that was the only possibility. — |J~Pæst| 02:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

[[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna]] should work in any namespace and result in fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna. What I got from that section of Help:Interlanguage links#Method is simply that some namespaces require the colon, some don't, but the colon will work in all. Technical 13 (talk) 11:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

J~Pæst already had inline links at User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna but wanted links under the Languages heading to the left of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you for the clarification. I never use those links myself and often forget they are even there. The only way that I am aware of to add a link there for that only works using JavaScript and then only works for those that have said JavaScript installed. I'd be happy to help you put together a simple script to do that, but you would have to keep in mind that it would most likely only make the link appear for you. I could create that for you tomorrow (I have to get my last final exam done today at school and have no free time at all (I shouldn't even be spending time sorting through my email this morning XD)). Technical 13 (talk) 11:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Making Proposed Changes Based on Non-Response to Requested Feedback in Article Talk Pages

I would appreciate assistance or feedback on how I can reach a consensus on proposed changes in the 4 articles noted below without further delays in order to avoid any future questions by Alansohn regarding these changes, which were originally reverted by Alansohn. It has been 9 weeks since I opened up Talk pages on March 7 & 8 based on Alansohn’s request, along with follow-up at Alansohn’s “FYI” talk requesting feedback.

No one else has indicated any objections to these changes.

Over 9 weeks, I have made good faith efforts to try and work with Alansohn without any success for straight forward changes that I thought would be resolved within a week’s time.

However, Alansohn has offered further delays in his responses to me or to a request by someone else as part of a Third Opinion. See Alansohn “3O” talk.

If Alansohn does not provide any feedback within a reasonable time (perhaps 1 week after discussions here?), can I just notify everyone on the Talk pages for these 4 articles that these changes will be implemented without further discussion since no objections have been made?

A. Talk:New Jersey Route 55#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation; B. Talk:International High School (New Jersey)#Reinsertion of Source Citation with Mistakes and Deleting Accurate Revisions; C. Talk:Reversible lane#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation and Deleting Factual Statement; and D. Talk:Spanish Transportation#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation.

Can the cited sources from a columnist from The Record newspaper be replaced with other cited sources? Each of the changes involved replacing a cited source from The Record newspaper that either did NOT have any relevant details or had details in contradiction to what was referenced in the Wikipedia article. I replaced those cited sources with reliable sources that confirmed the referenced info in the articles.

Can other factual statements that I identified with cited sources also be added?

I have made changes in other articles that replaced irrelevant or out-of-date sources other than The Record. I have also made many constructive updates in other articles.Wondering55 (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

As stated elsewhere, I have no objections at this point to any of these changes based on your explanations. Alansohn (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I will update the 4 Talk pages with Alansohn's acceptance of these changes and make the relevant changes.Wondering55 (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

I would like to insert an image. The picture I have in mind is a Spy cartoon (from Vanity Fair 1892). Do I infringe copyright if I copy the image (using a snipping tool) from a website & then use it?

Thanks

RacingArchivist (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi RacingArchivist, and welcome to the teahouse! If you really mean 1892, then you should upload the image at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and choose {{Template:PD-UK}} as the license tag. (As a British publication, the copyright has expired because either the author died more than 70 years ago, or the author cannot be identified and the work was published more than 70 years ago).

Do come back if you need any more help! (Image licensing is messy...) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)RacingArchivist, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You won't be breaching any copyright as Leslie Ward (Spy) died in 1922 so his published work is out of copyright in most countries including the US. Before uploading an image, and I suggest you upload it to Commons where it can be used across all wikis, check that it hasn't already been uploaded by looking through this category - commons:Caricatures by Leslie Ward in Vanity Fair - if contains most, if not all, of his work for Vanity Fair. NtheP (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

What should be done about a Category page when a more detailed page on the topic is completed?

There is a page called Category:2NE1 songs, but I have recently completed a more complete, detailed page called List of Songs recorded by 2NE1. Should the Category page be eliminated as I have created an updated and completed page on the subject? Should the code that was used to make the new page replace that of the category page? Or should they both stay how they are? When I search it on Google, the category page comes up and not the one I created. Kd6502 (talk) 16:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Kd6502, hi. Short answer is no, the category should not be deleted. The category and the article you have created have different purposes. Your article, and it looks comprehensive, is a reference for anyone interested in the subject; the category is a method of navigating around subjects. The category itself is linked to several other categories

• Category:2NE1
• Category:K-pop songs
• Category:Songs by artist
• Category:South Korean songs

so anyone who has started by looking at K-pop might find their way through to topics about 2NE1 via the categories, something that wouldn't be possible with only the article. You can find out a lot more about categories and what they are for at Wikipedia:Categorization. NtheP (talk) 17:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, KD. The article you created is actually called List of songs recorded by 2NE1. Capitalization does make a difference.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Timeline graph

I want to create a graph like this in Wikipedia. But, can not understand how to create this using bar chart or vertical chart! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tito, not exactly built for the purpose but there's a Lua module at Module:Chart that can be used to make stacked bar charts. Looks like it doesn't support horizontal graphs though, and I haven't used it myself. However, if you want something just for making a timeline, there's always the EasyTimeline feature. See the timeline of computing article for an example that uses the latter. Chamal ^T•C 16:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Tito! You may be looking for {{Bar chart}} Technical 13 (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying. I feel delighted to see the swiftness and accuracy of Teahousers. The main question mentioned that I checked bar chart and I can not understand how to make it with Module:Chart. Here is a more clearly what I am looking for—

Swami Vivekananda went to Khetri thrice between 1891 to 1897. All three visits have high historic importance. Details of this visit may be found here Ajit_Singh_of_Khetri#Relationship_with_Swami_Vivekananda (i am expanding the article, so, not finished yet, but, you'll get the dates). Now, I have thought an image like this:

Is there any option to create a graph like this? Can you suggest any other option to do this? --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Tito, look at {{Include_timeline}}. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

• My brain is getting overloaded at this moment with some royal history of Khetri! (I may ask another question if I can not solve the puzzles of thhat royal history) Could you please specify which template from that page I should use and if possible what should be the initial structure of the template? Just initiate it and I'll carry on from there! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to create the timeline you want at User:TheOriginalSoni/sandbox_5_graphical_timeline by modifying another one I worked on long time back. Hop in to help. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see just error messages there! I am thinking to create the image simply in paint (like the above but this time a better one, not quick draft) or drop it altogether! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:38, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

An svg picture will be better. And see now. I broke it while modifying it.

You could also simply settle for horizontal though. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability

Dear Sir/Madam, Below is a response I received about a page i am trying to create. I am at loss as to what to do. Please any advise will be much appreciated. Thanks

This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject. Declined by Davidwr 24 hours ago. Last edited by Hasteur 13 hours ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Ugo27 (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Ugo27! It would appear that an article you have been working on using the article creation wizard over at Articles for creation was declined upon review by Davidwr. I see that the most recent editor was Hasteur of whom is also an AfC reviewer. I'm sure that a note on either of their talk pages requesting more information on what you can do to make your article better would be your best bet. Secondly, although it is unfortunate, not everything deserves a page on Wikipedia, and you should keep that in mind. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 16:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Ugo, looking at the article, at present you have exactly two references; but each of them demonstrates that the journal exists, but not that it is notable. That is, in neither of them has a reliable source written at length about the journal: that is what is required for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Eeegad! Hi, Ugo27. Even experienced Wikipedia editors can find it difficult to get articles on scientific journals accepted. There is a notability guidelines just for journals at WP:NJournals. Check it for advice. You can probably get some help at WikiProject: Academic Journals. I will be busy all week but will try to post more specific recommendations to your talk page this coming weekend if you don't manage to get your article to mainspace before then. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 22:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the responses. Much appreciated.Ugo27 (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

How did is we uplink photo

This Kyoung,

I may am gonig to wirte an article on wiki about my dad stew for recipe he make i korea. I took pictures of the stew. how can i wheat upload pictuer of stew then alos is but how I put it in the recipe articleKyoungAuto (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

To upload a photo, click on the "Upload a file" link on the left hand side of your screen. To add it to an article, write

[[File:FILENAME|left|140px]]

into the edit window. However, it is unlikely that your dad's recipe meets the criteria set out at WP:N, which is required before an article can be accepted.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 13:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Kyoung, to clarify: if you are planning to make an article about a recipe, it should go on a recipe site since Wikipedia does not do cookbook articles. However, if there is an article about a Korean dish, its history, its importance, and you have a photo of this dish, then that you can certainly add. Can you please clarify what dish/recipe you want to add a photo of? Do we have an article about this food yet? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see you wrote an article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Village stew that was deleted because it was copied from another website. For there to be an article Village stew you would have to provide some proof that such a dish by that name (in English or Korean) exists. So mention in it in a book or article about Korean cuisine, for example. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Inserting a Table

I've created a table. It looked as I wanted it to look. However, when I saved it appeared under External links, and didn't look as I wanted which might have been my fault by adding references!

RacingArchivist (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi RacingArchivist, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your edits. A table must end with a line containing the two characters |}. Otherwise the software doesn't know where the table ends. That can cause strange results, including big differences between how a section looks in preview and how the whole page looks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.

All sorted now. RacingArchivist (talk) 14:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Is it possible to redirect my user page ? I've redirected articles but don't know about user page. :) Mohammad Sabbir♥ 04:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Mohammad. It is possible, but it is usually deemed confusing, leaving it undesirable. What page would you like to redirect it to, and why do you want to redirect it? Technical 13 (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

well my user page name is user:Md31sabbir . But i wanna redirect user:Mohammad Sabbir to this user page. Its like a user page redirecting to another user page. P.s= i would love to be called 'Sabbir' rather than 'Mohammad'. Thank you. Mohammad Sabbir♥ 13:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Mohammad Sabbir has redirected to User:Md31sabbir since 27 April. Is that not what you want? I guess both accounts belong to you but you haven't used the first since July 2012, so the redirect seems fine. People who haven't seen your wish to be called Sabbir are unlikely to do this unless your signature only displays "Sabbir". We have a User:Sabbir but the account is inactive so confusion is unlikely. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Might I suggest modifying your signature to [[User:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:white;background:#FF3B85;font-size:90%;padding:0.3em;">'''Sabbir, Mohammad'''</span>]][[User_talk:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:#FF3B85;background:white;border:1px solid#FF3B85;">'''♥'''</span>]] (Sabbir, Mohammad♥) which will suggest to people that you prefer to be called "Sabbir". People often choose to call people by the first syllable they see in the signature. Like people call me "Tech" or "T13" and people that know me as ShoeMaker simply call me "Shoe". With your current signature, people are likely to call you "Mo" or "Mohammad". Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks all for valuable suggestions Mohammad Sabbir♥ 15:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

wrote about my sister

Oops. First article I ever touched was a bio of my sister, and I described the changes as "from her brother". I thought the full disclosure would be the correct thing to do.

Today I got to reading the conflict of interest paragraphs and I have sinned! It's like incest or something!

My sister wrote three historical novels, one made into a TV movie/miniseries starring the then-unknown Angelina Jolie. The movie in in perpetual reruns on cable TV. The Wikipedia article probably has a fair number of hits.

To remedy my stumble, I put in sources for every paragraph, quoted from the books themselves and from the book jackets, and I think kept a very neutral voice. The earlier version had been put up by a fan, using two sources, and enthusiastic language. The errors began in the first sentence, when it said she was born in Seguin, Texas, but she was born in San Antonio. I forget the other errors of omission and commission, but the article was replete with them.

Now any editor can get up in arms and delete my rewrite. The article will revert to the erroneous jumble it was before.

So how can we now resolve the desire for accuracy with the rules about impartiality?

WoodyinNYC

WoodyinNYC (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Woody, welcome to the teahouse! In general, people don't (or shouldn't) revert carefully written and sourced material back to erroneous jumbles just because the editor had a conflict of interest. So I wouldn't worry too much. Although, for future changes you should probably make a request on the talk page, rather than editing the article directly. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Newbie Needs Help Saving the Erick Miller Article -- It NEEDS Editors

Someone wants Erick Miller page deleted. Please help save the page. Here's the Talk page. Thanks to those who have already commented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erick_Miller

The same person already deleted the Epiphany Eyewear Article. Some editors think it should not have been deleted.

Your help is needed. Thank you!!!!

301man (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 301man. Please be aware that for me (and I suspect for many other Wikipedians, though I may be wrong) your appeal here immediately got my back up. If you had come here and asked dispassionately for some more people to have a look at an ongoing discussion, that would be one thing; but instead you asked people to "help" in "saving" the page. I understand that anybody who has created a new page will feel attached to it; but Wikipedia (even in deletion discussions) is not a competition, and canvassing for any position is not likely to win you many supporters. The way to keep an article proposed for deletion is to obtain a consensus to do so by addressing the specific reasons for which it was proposed. You say your have no conflict of interest because you do not know Miller well (which I quite believe), but you also say "I was impressed with how Miller's ideas were being transformed into a possible world changing technology." In my book, that is a conflict of interest, because it suggests that you are likely to be more concerned with promoting Miller and his ideas than with Wikipedia's interests (as with all conflict of interest, this is not a foregone conclusion, still less an accusation, but a recognition that it is likely to be difficult for the writer in question to be dispassionate and neutral).

I do not have an opinion on the deletion discussion itself: on a quick look, it appears that there are now reliable sources but for the company rather than for Miller himself. But I am not interested enough to delve further, and so will not be contributing to the discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

ColinFine: Thanks for the feedback. Being new to this your info helps. I had surgery Friday, so I'm not all "there" mentally yet to dive back into this, but I did want to say thanks for your insight. The info I added to Miller's page is fact and written from a neutral stance. Third party sources are named. His most recent work has lent to notability. More time is needed to dig into past notability sources. I have a few good leads. Hate to see the work done so far by everyone to be deleted. Reaching out here was an idea someone else suggested. I thought I'd give it a shot. My passion is to add more new technology inventors and bios to the encyclopedia to advance Wikipedia and the subjects who make Wikipedia what it is. Miller is on to something and like I said, the meds I'm taking right now keep my head too cloudy to think straight. Interesting as it may be, I stumbled upon Miller while doing research for Google Glass. I am impressed with many of Wikipedia's topics. That does not constitute a COI. It means I still have an interest in what's happening in the world and appreciate the work being done on to advance Wikipedia, not the people named on its pages. Your support is appreciated and I do reach out to consider having the page saved until I'm well enough to dig deeper into Miller's past credible sources. Thank you... 301man (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Just a note that almost nothing is ever permanently deleted on Wikipedia. If, once medication is no longer an issue, you locate additional sources that you believe would prove Miller's notability, you could then ask the deleting administrator to restore the deleted article into userspace, for you to work on it further (adding the newly found sources) and then resubmit it as an article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Breadth of locations

I've recently come across statements like "located in Houston, in the U.S. state of Texas"—is all this information generally given? I usually see "located in Houston" or "located in Houston, Texas" but can't find a guideline that spells this out. The guideline on contextual links states that "broader geographical area[s]" should be linked but doesn't specify how broad. – 296.x (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse 296.x! I think it is a little wordy myself. I suggest in this case for you to be bold and change it. If someone complains about it, you'll have to ask yourself if it is really worth your time to bicker of a little wording that doesn't really hurt anything even if it doesn't really help anything either. If you think it is worth your time, I would recommend asking for a 3rd opinion sooner than later. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; it's no big deal—was just wondering if there was anything about this in the Manual of Style or similar. – 296.x (talk) 03:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Taking a broad view, WP:ENGVAR suggests using the local style of English. So for example, Americans would find it very natural to say things like "Houston, Texas", and by extension, "London, England". British people would just write "London", but probably also "Houston, Texas" (since it's easier to use the Americanism). Canadian people might feel the need to disambiguate London, since there's a London in Canada as well as the original London. No article about a British topic should ever say "London, England" or anything like that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi, 296. Thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. It might be wise to remember that this is English Wikipedia, not "the United States" Wikipedia. What might seem clear to us in the states (that includes me) might not be so clear to someone in England or Australia. I am not sure where, but I think the MOS does address that. I'll look and get back to you. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes; although I'd seen this specifically with US states, I meant the question generally (Lyon, Rhône-Alpes, France? São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil?) Thanks for taking a look for me. – 296.x (talk) 04:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me clear up my original comment a bit. When I said wordy, I meant that I think that instead of:

"located in Houston, in the U.S. state of Texas"

It should be worded as:

"located in Houston, Texas, USA"

As this isn't us.wikipedia.org, I think that all of the information as such needs to be there, just not the wordiness. I hope this is clearer. Happy editing!!!! Technical 13 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

From a stylistic point of view, the first option may actually be preferable to the second. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I (a non-Indian) run across this a lot in India location articles, where often a given town will be described as being "in Anuppur District" or "in UP" with no further explanation. I tend to clarify it like so: "in Anuppur District, Madhya Pradesh, India" or else as "in Farrukhabad district‎, in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. Just for what it's worth. It's been an interesting experience reading India-related articles on Wikipedia and seeing even intros written in a way that only makes sense to an Indian reader (use of terms like lakh, offhand references to historical figures, comparison to other regional cities), which makes me more sympathetic, to, say, a reader from Capetown or Tokyo reading US-centric article. It is indeed a balancing act to be intelligible to a global audience without over-explaining. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

What's The Exactly

Hello everyone. I was wondering what's the exactly kind of question you can ask at the reference desk Misc. Section????  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Miss Bono, and welcome back to The Teahouse. The short answer is you can ask pretty much any question that is not covered by one of the other categories: Computing, Entertainemnt, Humanities, Language, Mathematics, or Science.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I was asking for some help about Fanfic (if anyone could give some advice) and the said that the reference desk wasn't a forum. I did not ask for posting any fanfic there, just a little help with the matter. As you can see is not a question for a forum, just asking for help to someone related to the "stuff"  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought your question there was inappropriate, though I was not sure quite what to say, and so said nothing. I think the problem is summed up on the first line of the "How can I get my question answered" at the top of the page: "Explain what you need to know.". That is a reference desk: it is asking for information, (preferably, information from published references) not for correspondents or collaborators. It would be on target to ask "What are some sites where I could find people interested in writing fanfic", but not in my view "I am looking for somebody who is interested in writing fanfic". I agree that this could be interpreted as meaning the first question, but its obvious interpretation is as an appeal for collaborators rather than information, which is off topic. --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Knowing as much as I know about the little that I know Colin, I'm going to bet that Miss Bono was simply misunderstood. There is a subtle difference in your two examples above, and whereas English is not Miss Bono's primary language, the difference is likely lost to her. I've never helped out at the reference desk, so I can't say for sure, but I guessing this happens from time to time. Perhaps you could suggest to the other hosts/helpers/responders there that if such a question comes in, instead of simply turning them away (you can always send them here), ask them if they meant the other more appropriate wording? I know that it is a little more work, but I think it would greatly improve communications and the responders there would feel better about themselves knowing they helped someone. I mean, helping others solve their problems and questions is why we do it, right? Just some food for thought. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Technical 13. and yes, I was misunderstood.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I need a disambiguation page

Hi,

I posted this on the Talk page for the page I'm asking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Raw_Engineering, but I was told on Twitter I should ask the question again here.

The company I work for is often getting confused in media because the Wikipedia page with our name is associated to a company that is no longer known as raw engineering. Obviously we don't want to change their page or anything, but a disambiguation page would likely make sense to clarify that raw engineering at rawengineering.com is not the same as the raw engineering at the above URL (although the link on the right panel is right, many people don't look that closely).

Thanks in advance. Galbutnotgirl (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The existing Raw Engineering article should be moved to Raw Striker as that is the company's actual current name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Galbutnotgirl and welcome to the Teahouse. Is your company notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia? That's the only way a disambiguation page could include you.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I've also nominated the redirect for speedy deletion as having the redirect defeats the purpose of moving the page whereas there is a new company that has this name and they are not the same. Technical 13 (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if our company is notable enough to have it's own page. I mainly wanted to avoid the public confusion that occurs because our company name brings up an incorrect page that is not associated with our company. This has caused confusion with press.

I would love to also have a page for the company on Wikipedia, but my main concern is fixing the confusion caused (which I think the redirect keeps in page).

Galbutnotgirl (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Mostly just cross posting from the Raw Engineering talk. I disagree that the Raw Engineering page needs to be deleted. The company Raw Striker Ltd used to operate as Raw Engineering until quite recently (2010) and many former customers of Raw Striker would only know them as Raw Engineering. Additionally, there are references in manuals, brochures, etc. which refer to Raw Engineering. I think that a disambiguation page makes sense, even if rawengineering is not yet a notable company as it does remove the confusion and still allows those who know Raw Striker as Raw Engineering to find what they are looking for. Additionally, if rawengineering (of rawengineering.com) is finding that they are "often getting confused in media because (of) the Wikipedia page" then I think that they probably do satisfy the notability requirements enough to warrant their own page. Nasty (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Is date of birth for notable people a security risk?

I'm sure this must have been approached before but can't seem to find any answers on it. I was working on an article for an author that I know of... and have listed his DOB. But, that raised to my personal inquiry on whether having date of births and birth locations accessible to the public poses a privacy risk of information? Technically speaking, having those two pieces of information along with perhaps a SS # would allow some people to pull credit reports on high profile individuals allowing a LOT of information to be gained. B4theword (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Such information can only be included in a WP article if it has already been published elsewhere. You've also pointed out that one would need the person's SSN or other identity number as applicable for their country, so a DOB alone is fairly useless. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If its public knowledge, no. Example. If a birthdate is provided, May 8, how many have a May 8th birthdate? Do you mean that nobody could think of a May 8th date on their own?? OR how about the fact that the SSDI, Social Security Death Index, is online...you mean a scammer couldnt go there and get some old SSNs?? OR birth certs, etc etc etcCoal town guy (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:BLPPRIVACY covers this briefly. We should have a presumption in favour of privacy for personal information like dates of birth and full birth names. Sionk (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If the person is highly notable, a "celebrity" or genuinely famous person, and if their birthplace and date of birth has been published already in several reliable sources, then it is perfectly acceptable to include this information. What is not acceptable is for a Wikipedia editor to do any type of original research to uncover this information, such as searching primary sources like government databases. Marginally notable people are entitled to a modicum of privacy, and Wikipedia editors summarize reliable secondary sources. We don't "ferret out the facts". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Good to know about it being previously published etc, as I was wondering if I ought to delete it from the article I'm revamping. But I think most of the world knew when Sir Edmund Hillary's son was born, since he himself was so incredibly famous at the time, so I suppose I can leave it in, then. ScarletRibbons (talk) 14:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, then on this note, I have been working on Jason Stadtlander's page. I have a true DOB and location from his cousin who is an illustrator of one of his books. However the DOB and location are not published anywhere I can find to reference. So... Do I use what she gave me for the page? (is general proximity better than nothing at all?) I deleted them (You'll see it in the Diff). So if you think it should be put back in place, feel free to either let me know or take care of it yourself. B4theword (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Image gallery

Can someone tell me how to create an image gallery and how can i use it on my user page ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 02:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mohammad, Does Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Galleries tell you what you want to know? —teb728 t c

afd

Can i remove the Afd tag from my article Comme Chez Soi now ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 15:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse (again). No, you can't remove the tag until the discussion is over but you can vote in the discussion. ^King Jakob _C2 15:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

would you tell me the process of voting please ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 16:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the article Comme Chez Soi, you'll see in the AfD notification box at the top a link marked as "this article's entry". Following that link will take you to the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comme Chez Soi (2011) where you can read the debate on whether the article should be deleted or kept. You may edit that page to comment on the arguments made (but please don't comment on the editors themselves). If you do, then try to address in particular the nominator's claim that Comme Chez Soi does not meet the standard laid down at Wikipedia:Notability (films). There are already three editors arguing to keep the article, so you may find you have little to add. --RexxS (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Please note that there is a long-standing trope on Wikipedia that we don't "vote", we discuss/debate, which is essentially to get across the idea that simply registering your opposition or support for something is of little use because we don't use head counts to reach consensus but quality and strength of arguments. Users will often use the expression "!vote" as a stand in for this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Movie Poster needed

I need two posters for my two movie articles. Can anyone help me please ? Articles are More Sex and the Single Mom and Sex and the Single Mom Mohammad Sabbir♥ 01:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)