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I've created ƎⱭIƧЯƎHTO per your request; apparently the person at WP:AFC/R who declined it hadn't looked at the article. Thanks for all of your useful requests! Nyttend (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Your redirect request with target small caps[edit]

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FROWN and SMILE[edit]

You recently redirected and to Frown and Smile with the reasoning that characters should redirect to their meanings. I completely agree and I do the same thing. However, those two articles are not about the technical symbols which they coincidentally resemble; see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 December 17#Frown and smile. The best solution would be to determine what these symbols actually mean, but failing that, I think they should redirect to their block’s article. Gorobay (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Spacing in punctuation[edit]

As I can see, most of you edits are competent, but this one is not. If you prefer “—”, then it may not be spaced in English-language punctuation. If you leave both spaces at their place, then an en dash “ – ” is the only possibility. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


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ꔀ listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect . Since you had some involvement with the redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Also nominating the other 299 Unicode Vai character redirects you created. BabelStone (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

ꔀ listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect . Since you had some involvement with the redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Also nominating the other 19 redirects for Unicode reserved code points in the Vai block that you created. BabelStone (talk) 21:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

What consistency?[edit]

[1] What "consistency" you are refering to? Your own changes [2] and then keep saying these pages are consistent? -DePiep (talk) 00:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It would be nice to have a single page to discuss changes relating to all the Unicode chart templates. I agree that consistency is important—it was consistent before JPaestpreornJeolhlna changed the casing of "reserved" and "control" to "Reserved" and "Control", and it is consistent now that the changes have been made to all (?) the templates. The question is which capitalization is best. It was me who originally added the character names and "reserved", "control" and "not a character" annotations to the templates, taken from the Unicode Character Data file where character names are all upper case and "reserved", "control" and "not a character" are all lower case. However, I don't see any reason not to capitalize "reserved", "control" and "not a character" to "Reserved", "Control" and "Not a character" on Wikipedia when used as titles. You could also make a case for capitalizing character names rather than using all upper case (e.g. "Latin Capital Letter A" or "Latin capital letter A" instead of "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A", but in very many cases it would be problematic to decide which words to capitalize and which not, so I would prefer to stick with all upper case character names. BabelStone (talk) 08:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
"reserved", "control" and "not a character" are not Unicode names. "Latin capital letter A" is. To prevent this confusion, Unicode option is to write "<reserved>", "<control>" and "<not a character>" respectively. Also Unicode states that these words are written lowercase. See [3] chapter 4, Code Point Labels. Actually the word used is "noncharacter" not "not a character", but this may be allowed by Unicode defining "not a character" as a variant, somewhere. -DePiep (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi, DePiep and BabelStone; thank you for bringing up your concern on this matter. To begin, I am very aware of the character entitling system used by Unicode for control character, reserved character, and non-character code points, by which these titles are left uncapitalized and placed between less-than and greater-than signs. However, capitalizing these titles (and disregarding the bracket-like usage of "<" and ">") in charts within Wikipedia is more appropriate, as these are independent titles of table positions. It is a rather unusual and arguably incorrect format to leave these titles not capitalized, although if each of these titles were preceded and succeeded by "<" and ">", respectively, as they are presented in the direct format of Unicode, one could reason that their format is not incorrect—but rather an exact representation of how they are entitled in the Unicode Consortium. A format of these titles including neither the "brackets" nor the capitalization of initial letters is, in a sense, between the two possibly correct formats. For these reasons, I feel that it would be most suitable to capitalize the initial letters of the existing titles within Unicode charts and consider—but most likely not use—the uncapitalized, bracketed titles as a possible alternative format for these charts. — |J~Pæst| 02:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Nonsense from the word However. Unicode is clear. Old style "control" chars (think ASCII 00–20) are left alone. They only get a label (no name ever) for addressing the thing. -DePiep (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  • For example: "<reserved>" (the proper format in Unicode) and "Reserved" (the proper format in charts within Wikipedia) are correct, while the previous format of these titles ("reserved") is not. — |J~Pæst| 00:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm OK with capitalizing "Reserved", "Control", "Not a character" as the capitalization used by Unicode for the labels <reserved> etc. only applies to the restricted use in the Unicode Character Data, and it is reasonable to capitalize these terms in other contexts (see The Unicode Standard Table 4-12). With regard to control characters (0000-001F and 007F-009F), although they do not have actual character names, in ISO/IEC 10646 Section 11 they are explicitly associated with the names for the corresponding control characters in ISO/IEC 6429, and the Unicode Standard provides formal aliases for the control characters (see NamesAliases.txt) which include the ISO/IEC 6429 names and abbreviations. I would therefore support putting ISO/IEC 6429 names in parentheses after the word "Control", e.g. for U+0000, "Control (NULL)". I think that serves the user well, and is not in contradiction with the Unicode Standard, which explicitly allows the use of the Unicode-defined name aliases to refer to control codes. BabelStone (talk) 08:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


FYI, it was not incorrect for 💮 to redirect to Emoji, since it is an emoji. It was not targeting an incorrect Unicode block, so your edit summary (“Redirected symbol to the CORRECT Unicode block: Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs”) is misleading. You do know, I assume, that Emoji is not a block. Gorobay (talk) 21:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry about that edit; I probably misinterpreted "Emoji" as "Emoticons". I will try to be more careful when making quick edits in the future. Thank you. — |J~Pæst| 02:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
  • The redirect "💮" has now been fixed. — |J~Pæst| 02:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Please stop[edit]

We've got the CJK Extension C block article, list article, chart template, and template all caught up in a gigantic rat's nest. We've got it listed at the admins' noticeboard to try to sort it all out, but please please please don't edit anything else until we figure out how to fix this complete clusterfuck. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 00:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I think the only problem we have now is getting attribution, and the admins can take care of that. In the mean time, please discuss anything you want to do with the CJK extension C articles or templates on DePiep's page before doing them – I'll do the same, and I'll ask DePiep to do it too, just until we've got this whole thing completely sorted out. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 00:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Please see my response at WP:ANI, and keep in mind that I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong. Nyttend (talk) 01:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Saw your request at WP:RM. I've declined it, because we first need to figure out what goes where, and because I'll perform any needed moves. Please join in the discussion at Talk:CJK Unified Ideographs Extension C. Nyttend (talk) 02:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Discuss ALL CJK Extension C edits BEFORE you make them[edit]

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An image named "File:Tuareg – The Desert Warrior.jpg" does not exist, so stop replacing an existing image with a non-existing one. If you are annoyed from the lack of consistency between article title and image, move the image name to the correct title. However there are no rules for which the two names should be the same. My best, Cavarrone (talk) 07:56, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello, Cavarrone. I understand that there is currently no file of such a name, which is why I have listed the image at Wikipedia files requiring renaming. However, this does not explain your reversion of my edits to the text of the article, where the hyphen-minus (-) was appropriately corrected to the en dash (–) in two instances. If you feel that the only purpose of reverting the edits was to keep the image in place, then you should not have reverted the entire edits, but rather the change of the file name, per se. Thank you. — |J~Pæst| 21:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, my mistake; you are free to modify all the hyphen-minus you can find in the article(s). Frankly the graphic difference between hyphen-minus and en dash is not something that I'm passionate about; my intention was just to keep the image in place. Now the file is moved and if you will find similar cases you will know how to correctly proceed, so the question is moot. Keep up the good work! Cavarrone (talk) 05:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013[edit]

Information icon Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed your recent edit to Code-switching does not have an edit summary. Please provide one before saving your changes to an article, as the summaries are quite helpful to people browsing an article's history. Thanks! Cnilep (talk) 04:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Thank you for kindly notifying me. I have now provided a short summary on a third edit to the article.


I saw that you created the template {{Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs Extension B}}, but failed to source the contribution. Please read and understand Wikipedia:Copy-paste before you make any new content. This is a recurring problem, and it is absolutely unacceptable for it to continue. The next time you copy content from one page and paste it to another without attribution, I will be taking it to ANI. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 08:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

  • I have resolved this issue in my last edit to the template (see here for more information). Thank you! — |J~Pæst| 05:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Template redirects[edit]

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Your edit to Template:R from alternative scientific name[edit]

I agree that the wording you changed could be improved, but simply saying "the correct name" falsely implies that a taxon can have only one correct name, whereas more than one name can be correct, depending on the taxonomic view taken. E.g. in the APG III system, Scilloideae is the correct name for a particular group of plants, whereas recent papers by specialists seem to prefer Hyacinthaceae. So at present the latter redirects to the former, but it may be that in future this will be reversed. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


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Recent edits to Persecution of Jews[edit]

Information.svg Hello, and thank you for your recent contributions. While the content of your edit may be true, I have removed it because its depth or nature of detail are not consistent with our objectives as an encyclopedia. I recognize that your edit was made in good faith and hope you will familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not so we may collaborate in the future. Thank you! Amit (talk) 04:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding this revert[edit]

Please see the talk page. Red Slash 17:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

My "prettification"[edit]

Hi. Regarding this revision, could you please show me any guidelines to this kind of issue? I made that edit because the way the link "Combining_character#Unicode_ranges" appears is pretty unreadable for regular users. :) Best regards. CasperBraske (talk) 04:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, JPaestpreornJeolhlna, and thanks for your reply. I made that edit in a mobile device, so I wouldn't have made all the edits "needed"—and provide explanation about them as well—in a million years. ;D What I really want to know is where I can propose this sort of improvement to the links to subsections, so I could also contribute with technical advise—I'm a web developer—to make them more readable, instead of having my edits undone. I edit two Wiki projects in three different languages for about 5 years, but have never been "able" to propose and make such changes, especially because they all seem to have their own standards. I would appreciate if you could show me the way. Best regards. CasperBraske (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • A good place to start might be the Teahouse. There, you can ask that the change in format is allowed. Unfortunately, the chances of any request like yours being accepted is low, but you might as well give it a try. Don't get me wrong; I think improving Wikipedia's visuals in this way is a good idea! But applying the change as a Wikimedia standard—in every language and every sister project—will be an extremely massive change. The only good solution, I think, would be to create an automated bot, which is something that I might be able to do, or at least request. If you need any more help, please let me know! — |J~Pæst|   02:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

USPS Rcat[edit]

Thank you very much! This Rcat's documentation page is in so much better condition now! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 16:10, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

That is correct. And I feel that your created shortcuts in the notice will work even better. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 02:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
PS. Take another look at Template:RUSPA. The "Redr" template is a shortcut for the {{This is a redirect}} template, which is a sorting shortcut I use to save time. Please note that I removed {{R ab}} because the initialism Rcat only works in the Main article namespace. It will not work in the template namespace or any other namespace. On a historical note, the Wiki software not long ago received an upgrade by the devs. Before that upgrade, the Rcats all had to go on the top line next to the target link, with or without a space. Now they work no matter what line we put them on. Things are getting better! (PS added by – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX!)

Template "R related"[edit]

There is a question asked of you at Template talk:R related. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 21:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit on Template:RfD subpage starter[edit]

I must sadly inform you that your edit [4], which though only added a dot, sadly broke Twinkle since then on WP:RFD. I understand you didn't know about that, as there was no information on Template:RfD subpage starter indicating this. Though generally for pages like this, automated and semiautomated tools use HTML comments like that as a pointer where to add data, and the code in Twinkle didn't account for a dot there at the time. AzaToth 20:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

  • I apologize! As you thought, I was not aware of the issue. If there is any way to keep the punctuation without causing this problem, please let me know; if not, I will gladly remove my edit (or let you or another editor do so). Thank you! — |J~Pæst|  21:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
There's no problem now as I updated the code to take the dot in consideration. AzaToth 22:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you for that; I appreciate your help. — |J~Pæst|  22:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


Regarding your edit: I did not write that "from 2000 to 2007" cannot be written as "2000–2007". The phrase 'not to in "from ... to ..."' means that "from 2000 to 2007" cannot be written as "from 2000–2007". If you find my phrase awkward, please make it more clear, but do not remove it completely, since it is important. Actually, "2000–2007" always means the range "from 2000 to 2007", and I think that it would be better to rewrite the previous sentence about "replacing to" in a more reasonable way. Thanks! — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 22:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The point[edit]

In regard to your edit summary, I know you think it's just a matter of choice and that I was being completely arbitrary. To find out what the point is, just check out {{R related}} to see the different way text is portrayed. An even better comparision is in my sandbox at: User:Paine Ellsworth/Sandbox2. The text above the double line is the text that would be rendered by the code you reverted to. The box below the double line is the way the same Rcats are rendered by the {{Redr}} (This is a redirect) template. So the point is that some of us are preparing for the time when text is allowed on redirects by using the Redr template to tag the redirects with categories. Right now, the only time you can actually see the text rendered by Rcats is when the redirect is disabled in an Rfd. "Live" redirects do not render any text. The ability to see text on redirects might be added at any time, because we have been trying for a long time to get the developers to make it happen – see bug 14323 Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 02:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Not this way please[edit]


Your username is unclear, you did not respond to my clear & serious answer (instead: you reverted), and you reverted our topic without even an es (edit summary, that is). -DePiep (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Let me clarify a detail: interwiki links are not to be added in the /doc any more. -DePiep (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Stop turning me into the bad guy. -DePiep (talk) 23:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I didn't turn you into the "bad guy"; you chose to be it yourself.
If you would like to continue this discussion, please do so on your own talk page (original conversation here). Thank you. — |J~Pæst|  23:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —DePiep (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

R from move[edit]

Hi, JPæst. I know how much you like to work sorting redirects—just want to make sure that you're aware of this TfD. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 00:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me; I will join the discussion shortly. — |J~Pæst|  20:10, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Template shortcuts[edit]

Hi, re this edit:

Accordingly, I've removed the last two, and made the first one more intuitive. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello, Redrose64. I've created {{R eh}} (a shortcut for "Redirect [with] extra hyphenation" that redirects to {{R from modification}}) upon realizing from your statement that I had not yet created it when the edit was made; thank you for reminding me. As for the template {{R tsc}} ({{R from template shortcut}}), it refers to the redirect itself as a template shortcut, which it is completely, not the target. Now that the issue regarding these two templates has been resolved, I will restore the changes. Thank you. — |J~Pæst|  01:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

⎶ listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Template:R xw[edit]

When you created this redirect-template redirect, you added {{r mh}}, which has never existed. Was this a typo?

(Also, current convention dictates that multiple redirect templates should be combined using {{redr}}.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 18:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

The discussion continued at WT:Categorizing redirects#What is R mh? with a decision to create the template in question. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 22:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Multiple accounts[edit]

Please stop creating multiple accounts and explain why you have been doing so. Thank you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Article moving listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Nomination for deletion of Template:R from proper noun[edit]

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≟ listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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