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June 21

1931 Chevrolet Pheaton.

Good afternoon. Could you please help me find out how many 1931 Chevrolet Pheaton AE Independance Delux vehicle's were made world wide? I do Know that 852 were made in the USA, but I am un-able to get information on total production. Kind regards, Luke 196.215.175.124 (talk) 13:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason to believe that Chevrolet had any non-US production at all at that time? AlexTiefling (talk) 13:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you Chev definitely assembled vehicles in South Africa and Australia at the time, The vehicle I am refering to was produced in South Africa in Port Elizabeth.196.215.175.124 (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean Chevrolet Phaeton? You may need a more specialized source than Wikipedia. I can see from Google that the Phaeton existed, but we don't mention it on the Phaeton page, or on our List of Chevrolet vehicles. If you know of another name this model is known by, that might help. --BDD (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, actually, there's an Independence Series AE mentioned on the list from 1931, but you'll notice it's a red link, meaning we don't have an article on it. I'm afraid we have rather limited information about Chevrolet from that time period. From the main Chevrolet, the only plant outside of the US mentioned from that time was in Ontario. --BDD (talk) 22:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

tHANK YOU TO THE RESPONDERS.196.215.175.124 (talk) 11:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the UK so much poorer than the US?

Based on nominal gdp per person, there's a wide difference.

  • 11 United States 49,922
  • 23 United Kingdom 38,589

Given the fundamental similarities (sure you could list a million differences) how is it possible that any number of factors could be so influential to make the UK so much poorer than the US?

Backspaceco (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it that much worse off in the UK? It's not like living in Zimbabwe or Afghanistan there, is it? GDP is but one measure of quality of life, and even not that great of one. Per List of countries by Human Development Index, the UK is lower in rank there, but both countries are well within the "Very high human development" ranking; and at that level it is sort of like deciding why the man who drives a Mercedes Benz is so much worse off than the man that drives the Bentley is. The difference is numerically real, but practically is there a significant quality of life difference between the average US citizen and the average UK citizen? One thing may be that the U.S. has a much higher number of very rich people, per List of countries by income equality, things like the Gini coefficient show that the income distribution in the U.S. is much more inequally distributed than it is in the UK, so while the "typical" US citizen lives similarly to the "typical" UK citizen, or maybe even worse, the outliers in the U.S. (those VERY VERY rich) throw the metrics like GDP way off. --Jayron32 21:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The main point is Britain has a fully developed infrastructure and the national health. So the difference in income is about as relevant as deciding who's richer, a young man with little savings who pays everything out of pocket, or a man on the edge of retirement with free healthcare and accrued personal and cultural assets. Onslough and Daisy are rich on those terms, and Americans would pay to live on their terms as a pleasant vacation opportunity. (Of course, this also depends on importing cheap labor, which is a much worse problem for Britain than the US.) μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is a provocative topic, but it's going way off on a tangent here. Looie496 (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Funny how we get the "insanely" rich thrown in there. μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The other epithet usually tossed around is "obscenely rich". Funny how people buy lottery tickets, hoping to win (sometimes) hundreds of millions of dollars without earning a single cent of it, yet those who work hard all their lives to earn their nest eggs are said to be "insane" and "obscene". Weird. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 22:50, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "hard" has nothing to do with it. The man who digs ditches or hammers nails into wood works very hard, but will still never live the life of privilege and wealth enjoyed by those who are lucky enough to be born to the correct parents. --Jayron32 01:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
People being born to the wrong parents is a very rare occurrence. μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And where did "the correct parents" get their money from? Was it from their "correct parents"? And where did they .... and so on, all the way back to the beginning of time on the backs of turtles, I presume. Unless that was meant as a joke, Jayron, you surprise with your attitude to the owners of money. It is not actually illegal or immoral to have lots of it. And if you earned it through your own legitimate efforts, so much the better. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 04:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem is with the implication that some people deserve the wealth they have because they worked hard to get it. Jayron has clarified that some people work very hard and will never be wealthy. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The adjectives "insane" and "obscene" are generally applied to sums which are larger than "nest eggs" and are not accumulated by "those who work hard all their lives". On the OP's question, one general observation - that applies to Europe as a whole vs the US rather than just the UK vs. the US is that since the turning point of the 70s, because of its greater reliance on Keynesian deficit spending, particularly under Republican administrations, the USA tended to have lower unemployment and higher growth than Europe, while it tended to have higher unemployment and lower growth than Europe during the Post–World War II economic expansion.John Z (talk) 05:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK, a very high proportion of income now goes on housing costs. I'd be interested in a comparison with US. --Dweller (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

EDUN

What's the lowest price for an EDUN jean? (I don't know if this is the right place but I shoot anyway) Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll sell you mine for $1. We cannot possibly answer this seriously. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 21:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are assuming a serious answer is what's desired? μηδείς (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. We're a serious-minded outfit. Fun has its place, but as A. P. Herbert said, "People must not do things for fun. We are not here for fun. There is no reference to fun in any act of parliament". -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 22:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your knowledge of such interesting, semi-obscure, and notable post-Hanoverian British subjects makes me almost regret having been born and educated in the world's greatest country. μηδείς (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm satisfied to live on the Solar System's greatest planet. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, or at least its largest planet. (The gas giants, as I've explained before, are not planets. If you can't land there, it's not a planet. Yes, this is my idiosyncratic usage, but in your heart you know I'm right.) --Trovatore (talk) 19:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Such ridiculous and disgusting (not to mention incorrect) jingoism has no place on the ref desk, Meides. Please leave it a the door when you come in. Fgf10 (talk) 08:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Medeis has spurs that jingo-jango-jingo. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots03:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try searching e-commerce websites like Amazon.com or google.com/shopping. Searching for edun jeans, I found them from $20 (USD) used and $39 new on Google. I only found one $80 pair on Amazon, so perhaps something went wrong with that search. --BDD (talk) 22:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you guys! So, Jack of Oz do you have EDUN jeans?? I think the prices are mostly correct... Anyways I dont have Internet Access Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Never heard of them. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 19:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


June 22

Making refunds on a prepaid card

I bought an app from the Google Play store, then cancelled the purchase within minutes after the app failed to install on my device. The cancellation went through, but the amount paid for still shows on the balance, and it shows an amount twice as much as the actual price of the item I originally paid for. I know that some transactions will still show up on a credit card for up to a couple of weeks only not as a charge if it isn't finalized. But this is a prepaid gift card, so do the same rules apply? It's a Vanilla Mastercard, btw. 65.92.229.41 (talk) 08:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would be guesswork for us here. Your best bet is to call whatever 800 number is on the card and ask for customer service. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots10:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I did just that, and I was never able to come across a human to talk to. There's no option for discussing any issues with the card, you can only check your balance. They don't even have an email for customer service, so my only other option would be snail mail (right, I'm gonna mail a letter, then wait eternity for a response). 65.92.229.41 (talk) 18:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a customer service on the Google Play store? (FYI, this kind of thing is why I don't do online shopping.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots22:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit too late for a return of the app but here are the instructions for that. There is a link to contact Google support at the top right of the page. And according to Vanilla's FAQ returns may take up to 30 days to be put back on the card (FAQ #8). Also, disputed charges must be dealt with by the merchant (FAQ #19). Dismas|(talk) 02:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mv agusta motorcycle exhaust

what model of mv agusta has an exhaust system with A9814 stamped into it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.181.18 (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Toenails color nail polish black head women

Blue toenails is commonly worn by blonde women and brunette, green is commonly worn by redheads but which color is commonly worn by white black head women? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.64.182 (talk) 19:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a reference desk. Are you asking for a book or scholarly article on the toenail paint colors of black haired white women in the year 2013? μηδείς (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming it's a sincere question (which I wouldn't bet the family jewels on), the OP's best bet would be to call a few nail salons and get a consensus on popular colors used with various skin and hair colors. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots00:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[1] or [2] or [3] or [4] may help the OP find the answer to their question. --Jayron32 01:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The perfect polish color is blonde, blue, and pale, without any freckle problem? I am not sure the source supports this reliably. μηδείς (talk) 04:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I change date format in windows?

Hi, I am trying to translate several large lists on Wikipedia from English to Dutch. Example: List of minor planets/1001–1100 -> nl:Lijst van planetoïden 1001-1100. I can change the language very easily, however not the format. The date format in English is "month day, year". I want it to be "day month year". Is there a method of changing this automathically? It would take a lot of time by hand since there will be about 3000 lists. Thanks, Taketa (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only method I can think of for this would be to place many (or all) of the lists together in a word processor and run a find-and-replace with highly specific values. If, for example, you're looking to replace "20 March" with "March 20", you could "find" the character string "March 20" and "replace" it with "20 March". This will be somewhat tedious at first, as you'll be entering a large number of find/replace variables (732, to be exact), but if you're working with a larger number of date fields — a few thousand, say — it will save you time in the long run. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 20:18, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for the information. I have found a way around it by using other language wikis that have already done it. I first thought none were perfect, but I found one that is fixable easily with words replace options. Thanks anyways. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 20:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js will do the trick. --  Gadget850 talk 02:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


June 23

Triangle thingy by the escalator

I can't help but wonder whenever I take a ride on the escalator: What's that transparent triangle plate thing that's hanging by the escalator? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble01:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a safety device. Can you find an illustration? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots02:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what it's known as, so it's quite difficult to find one. Nearly every escalator in Singapore (as well as other countries) has this dangling triangular plate... ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble02:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
On escalators in the US, typically there's a solid plexiglass triangular plate, wedged into the space where the escalator approaches the wall of the escalator that's going in the opposite direction. I've never asked, but I always assumed that triangular piece was to prevent some idiot from getting his hand wedged into that V. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots02:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen some solid ones, but most of them in SG are dangling. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble02:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Is this what you are talking about?    → Michael J    02:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes!! ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble02:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like that thing is likewise intended to be a safety feature. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots03:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why in the world do you hang biohazard bags on the corners of your stairsteps? μηδείς (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Something that could tear your arm off might qualify as a biohazard. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots04:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Singapore is prepared for zombies? Clarityfiend (talk) 11:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC) [reply]
I thought I might find a term for this in our article escalator, but it's not listed in escalator#Key safety features. --ColinFine (talk) 08:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I found another illustration [5], showing the clear plastic triangles hanging just in front of pillars going both up and down, so they appear to be guard plates, presumably to prevent outstretched arms coming into contact with the pillars in this case, confirmed (I think) on page 22 of this pdf [6]. They're hanging in this example to give a person warning without actually hurting them. Mikenorton (talk) 11:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for foreclosed homes, but sites listing them offer a "7 day free trial." Are they SCAMS?

If they are, what are some legit sites that list foreclosed homes? Especially for homes within a 5-mile radius of Concordia, Kansas?

Or if those that'll offer 7-day free trials and start charging you, do offer foreclosed homes, then why do they feel compelled to charge? Why can't a site exist that'll list foreclosed homes without charging us for the privilege to view said listings?

Thanks kindly. --70.179.161.230 (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It takes effort to collect that data and to keep it up to date - more effort to maintain the website. People don't do things like that for nothing. So the question is one of how they'd make money doing that. Evidently, they've chosen to do it by charging a subscription fee - and they offer you the 7 day free trial as an advertising gimmick. That doesn't mean that it's a scam. SteveBaker (talk) 13:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can also try and collect the information yourself. For example, here is Bank of America's site for foreclosed homes in Kansas: [7]. Other banks might have something similar. RudolfRed (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

|} We cannot offer legal advice: fraud is a crime, and accusations of fraud are libel per se. scam: 1.a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. -Random House at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam μηδείς (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Drudge Report Formatting

So there are 3 columns on the main page of this news aggregation site. It appears that once a link is set to the top of one of the columns, it is pushed down and eventually off the page as newer links/stories appear. My questions: Is this premise correct? ; What determines which of the 3 columns that a link (or set of links) will be assigned to? 220.255.23.166 (talk) 12:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's really impossible to tell. He probably has a program that sets up the page for him, but we have no access to it. The page itself is very simple HTML code, giving no clue about the logic underlying its structure. Looie496 (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which Latin font script is this?

In which font script were the Serments de Strasbourg written?

(Samples) --66.190.69.246 (talk) 21:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a font, it's handwritten. As for the script style, my best guess would be Carolingian minuscule, but I'm no expert. --Nicknack009 (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This website confirms it's a form of Carolingian (or Caroline) minuscule, specifically a 10th century French book hand. --Nicknack009 (talk) 22:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Though I am a little confused why this is a script and not a font. Isn't it written in the Latin script? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A script (in this case) is hand-written, while a font is typeset and printed by a machine. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 23:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. The Latin alphabet has been written in a variety of scripts (or hands) over the years, some of which are hard to read today unless you're used to them, but still represent the same set of letters. --Nicknack009 (talk) 23:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Was this ever the dominant script of Iberia? If not, which script was the most common there in the mediaeval era? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 01:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Our articles suggest Visigothic script may have been more popular there. Rmhermen (talk) 02:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Visigothic at first. They also used Carolingian minuscule and the various kinds of Gothic script. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It varied over time. You (OP) should have a look at the Medieval Writing site - it has maps of Europe with the prevalence of different scripts century by century (start with "What is Paleography" and follow the links to "History of scripts"). Roughly, Iberia started out in the 7th/8th centuries using Roman square capitals, new Roman cursive, uncial and half uncial, and Visigothic minuscule. Visigothic minuscule predominated in the 9th century, and in the 10th, 11th and 12th century Visigothic and Carolingian minuscule were both used. In the 13th century Spanish round hand and Gothic textura were used, and in the 14th century court, charter and diploma hands were added to those. Gothic textura stopped being used in the 15th century, and in the 16th century the Spanish round hand predominated. --Nicknack009 (talk) 08:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

Canadian Paypal question

I'm confused by the answer I've received from Paypal regarding being paid in US dollars. The support person says I can link to a Canadian bank account denominated in US dollars, but warns there will be some mysterious "conversion", unlike an account in a US bank. How have others in this situation dealt with it? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does THIS help? It seems to suggest that there won't be any mysterious conversions...but that description is dated Nov 2010 - so it's possible that the rules have changed. There is a more complicated HOW-TO here - but it's dated from 2011, so it could still be outdated. There is more discussion about it here. The crux of the problem seems to be that it's not enough to have a US-dollar account, it has to be physically situated in the USA. What I'm getting from reading these various posts is that the RBC (Royal Bank of Canada) has a way to set up an account in a branch that's situated in Florida - and you can do that by going to one of their branches in Canada. But it definitely looks like you're fighting a difficult and uphill battle. SteveBaker (talk) 13:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I answered something similar before although it may have been about different countries. Either way it's likely a dumb idea to use a US dollar Canadian bank account. AFAIK, PayPal does not allow you to choose the withdrawal currency, perhaps because amongst other things, some bank accounts may simply reject foreign currencies. (It's possible the transfer method they use doesn't even allow different currencies.) And while I don't know about Canadian bank accounts, I suspect like many countries there's no standard indication from the account number that it's not denominated in Canadian dollars. Therefore, what's likely to happen is your withdrawal of USD will be changed to Canadian dollars by PayPal, and the receiving bank account will either deposit it in Canadian dollars (in which case there's no advantage to the bank account having some currency in US dollars) or convert it to US dollars and deposit it as that (i.e. a double conversion). What SteveBaker and the refs he provided seems to be suggesting is a US dollar US bank account, perhaps with the US arm of a Canadian bank (who may be able to help you set one up from within Canada). Note that because it's a US account not a Canadian one, you'd have to comply with whatever the legal requirements are in the US for such an account and any problems would likely be dealt with under US law. This would probably work, from memory PayPal generally let's people tie US bank accounts to their PayPal account even if their PayPal registered address is not in the US so you probably won't have problems linking your bank account even though you don't live in the US. (At least they seemed to for NZ.) Nil Einne (talk) 19:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thought so, see Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2012 December 5#international payments Nil Einne (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can flight SU150 avoid flying over US airspace so that US authorities cannot blacklist its passengers?

Count Iblis (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the USA has seen fit on multiple occasions to ignore the 'in transit' provisions of what I dimly recall as international law (maybe a treaty?) by nabbing passengers who were changing planes and thus only very technically on US soil (airports don't quite enjoy extraterritorial status in the way e.g. embassies do, but historically passengers who were merely changing planes were never considered to actually be 'on' the soil of X nation. I seem to recall that there were exceptions carved out--they must remain within the security cordon, for example, but there are plenty of examples of technically stateless persons who have lived in airports. Tom Hanks did a movie based on this concept I think), I highly doubt the red white and blue would give much of a fuck. Kind of the same way that if a cop shows up and asks to come into your home and you say no, they'll not infrequently go "hey I smell marijuana" thus having probable cause. I'm quite sure if airlines started doing this sort of thing they would suddenly have difficulties being registered and/or landing on US territory. — The Potato Hose 19:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused by both the question and the response. I don't think there was ever any suggestion the flight was intending to land in the US, which considering it's intended destination is Cuba, seems fairly unlikely. So I don't get the relevance of airports. I also don't get what blacklist the OP is talking about. It would seem fairly strange for the US to blacklist people simply for being in a flight also booked by someone wanted for espionage (which he didn't even get on). Most of them may be journalists who booked the flight under the assumption Edward Snowden would be on it, so the US may not be happy about that although blacklisting journalists simply for following the story would seem a bit extreme (after all, they could be unsympathetic to him). And there is the United States embargo against Cuba, so any US citizens on the flight may run some risks depending on the purpose of their travel to Cuba. But in either case, I don't see why the US is going to care whether or not the flight happened to travel over their territory. Now of course if Edward Snowden actually got on the flight, there is a risk of the US ordering it to land if it entered US territory, probably under some pretext and then after it landed arresting Snowden. [8] [9] Those sources suggested it was going to (whether it did or not I don't know) fly over US territory but could have avoided it. But I don't get the relevance of this to the US blacklisting other passengers, or the US's handling of 'in transit' provision in airports. Nil Einne (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, exactly, the No Fly List is in my opinion something with huge potential for abuse and an enormous temptation for overweening government, and something needs to be done about it — BUT I would not expect any US administration to be so clumsy as to use it in such a blatant way. All hell would break loose, and they would probably end up losing its potential for subtle intimidation. But if they did decide to use it in that way, it's not clear how a plane's avoiding US airspace would prevent it. --Trovatore (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can we drop the editorializing? The OP has offered no evidence that anything will happen to people on this flight, or even defined what is meant by blacklisting. It's not our place to comment on what we think might or should happen based on an ill-formed request, not for references, but for opinion. Until the OP asks a coherent question, no response should be given, and even then, they should be in the form of links and references as opposed to "shoulds". μηδείς (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not inclined to take instructions from you on how to respond. --Trovatore (talk) 22:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't addressing only you, Trovatore, but if my asking you to pay attention to the guidelines makes you feel empowered to ignore them, then you go girl. μηδείς (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seems many people require a visa if transiting through a US airport, but not if "transiting" through US airspace. I don't see how the US could legitimately blacklist (add to the no-fly list?) other passengers simply for being on the same flight as a fugitive, whether or not the flight enters US airspace. However, I do think the US could order any aircraft entering its airspace to land at a US airport, and could easily scramble military jets to enforce that order if necessary (something similar happened recently in the UK). Astronaut (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


According to this article:

"One million British travellers planning to fly to Canada, the Caribbean and Mexico this year face the risk of being turned away at the airport – at the insistence of the US Department of Homeland Security.

New rules require British Airways and other airlines flying to certain airports outside America to submit passengers' personal data to US authorities. The information is checked against a "No Fly" list containing tens of thousands of names. Even if the flight plan steers well clear of US territory, travellers whom the Americans regard as suspicious will be denied boarding."

Count Iblis (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Roy E. Gray fly fishing rod

I have 2 great looking fly fishing rods, both poles have painted on "Rods by Roy E. Gray" "8' for #5. line" any info of value? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwr8206 (talkcontribs) 23:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For a reliable idea of the market value, you need to 'show them' to a dealer. --Aspro (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 25

money transfer

Hi. I live and work in New Zealand and want to transfer some money from my NZ bank account to myUK bank account. I want to transfer about NZD100 every few months. I asked at my branch the other day, but direct bank transfer is expensive in terms of fees and so on. What is a good (online, cheap, convenient, secure) way to do this? thanks Robinh (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried PayPal? KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 15:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The fees charged could be fixed fees or something that is effectively fixed for the amount of money you are transferring. For small amounts like NZD100, the fixed fee can swallow an appreciable part of it. Why not transfer more but less often. For example, if it costs 2% with a minimum of NZD10 then transferring anything up to NZD500 will cost you NZD10. It might also depend on whether you get the NZ bank or UK bank to do the actual foreign exchange part - converting NZD to GBP - they will probably have different fee schedules for that in addition to the bare transaction fee. If you really must deal with a small amount every few months, why not get a friend or family in the UK to do it for you on the promise of a single larger transfer to pay them back. Astronaut (talk) 17:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(OP) thanks guys. Bottom line: nothing better than paypal in the absence of someone on the ground in the UK? Robinh (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Old tv scifi drama movie

I posed this question a while back...When I was a young teen, I saw a "movie" on tv. A science fiction movie. Possibly on ABC or NBC or CBS. Maybe it was on PBS. The movie was about meteors entering Earths atmosphere...Simple, right? What was happening was the Earth was actually being attacked by aliens. Now at the beginning of the movie, no one knew of the attack. It was just meteors that had to be destroyed before a collision. So, as in most flix of this nature, all the brains at NASA assembled. The only recourse was to nuke the meteors. The first day, there was one and it was blown up. A couple days later, there were two and they were blown up. Days passed, and there were 3 meteors. The USA has run out of nukes, so Russia helps. So...by the end of the movie, the powers that be release a huge sigh of relief that the meteors were destroyed. Well, they shouldnt have done that...or at least not all at the same time, because thats when NASAs radar shows about 20 meteors entering Earths orbit. Thats how I remember this movieending. I would love to know the name of this movie so I can buy it and watch it with my kids. It isnt.Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).Meteor with Sean ConneryCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., but I believe it was made/aired around that same year or so. I say this because the hairstyles and clothing and cars were generally the same. Please help. Thanks.FredKanada (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If know one knows, you perhaps List of science fiction films of the 1970s or List of science fiction films of the 1980s might help. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You would be MUCH better off asking this quesion on our Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment desk - those guys are amazingly good at finding this kind of thing.
FYI: From a science perspective, this is largely nonsense. Nuking a big meteor when it's that close to earth just turns one big impact into a lot of smaller ones. The total energy would be the same - and the total destruction probably even worse. In reality, one has to deflect meteors rather than breaking them up - and that requires doing so when they are years - or preferably, decades - away from impacting us. Sadly, this makes for very unexciting movie plots. The plot point of aliens deflecting meteors to hit us has been used in many science fiction books - because (from the perspective of the aliens) it's a very cheap way to destroy a civilization that doesn't have comprehensive meteor deflection technology. SteveBaker (talk) 16:04, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it the case that a small meteor is likely to burn in the atmosphere before it can hit the earth or at least do much damage on the earth? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots22:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It will still deposit the same amount of energy in the atmosphere, even if it breaks up. There is a small range of sizes where a high atmosphere disintegration is harmless while a ground strike would be a local problem. But for asteroids that pose serious planet-scale danger, a distributed strike will be at least as bad, and may be worse, since a single large strike will "waste" destructive energy on local overkill, while separate strikes will distribute destruction over a larger area. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm understanding you correctly, even if all the pieces burn up in the atmosphere, there will still be a significant negative effect on the earth due to all that heat generated in the atmosphere? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots00:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For smaller stuff, the problem is that you can't break it up into small enough pieces, especially if you're using a nuke shortly before impact. The Chelyabinsk meteor was only 20 meters across, and managed to cause significant damage to several cities; the one that formed Barringer crater was 50 meters across. A 200-meter asteroid, if it hits intact, will destroy a city the size of London, but if you break it up into a few hundred 20- to 50-meter chunks, it could heavily damage most of England (source: trial-and-error using [10]).
For a dinosaur-killer asteroid, even if you could grind it up into dust, the asteroid would add as much energy to the Earth as a month of sunlight -- and it would do so in a matter of seconds (source: Orders_of_magnitude_(energy), around the 10^23 joule point). --Carnildo (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds a bit like Asteroid (film), but I guess that's too late at 1997. --Viennese Waltz 16:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Nope - not even close. In Asteroid, there was just one asteroid (although it breaks up later) and there were no aliens involved. SteveBaker (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I knew all that from the description. But from my long experience of trying to answer these kinds of question, it is as well not to take the OP's recollections at face value. --Viennese Waltz 16:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Day the Sky Exploded? (And our Wiki article.) InedibleHulk (talk) 16:57, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Naturally, that makes perfect sense -deflect and make it another species problem vs.cascading in Earth atmosphere, but, as you stated, not much excitement in that.. I didnt think about Asteroid during my months of searching, but as you also stated, its from 1997. Thats when my twins were born. And I wouldve seen the movie on tv before the birth of my first child in 1988. I remember seeing the movie after my family moved when I was a solophomore in high school, so it aired sometime between 1985-1987. Heaven only knows when it first aired. Ive been trying to figure this out for waaaay too long, but I will post the question to the other dept as you suggested. I wasnt sure which dept to inquire, and I didnt want to break the rule by posting to multiple depts. Thank you all for your assistance. BTW.. What is "OP"?FredKanada (talk) 17:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"OP" = "Original Poster", the one who initially posted the question. JIP | Talk 18:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe The Lost Missile? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:43, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
I vaguely recall editing the film's article. I definitely remember the escalating number of asteroids in each successive wave, but can't dredge up the title. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Without Warning (1994 film) --  Gadget850 talk 01:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photography at Midnattsloppet

After hearing about this Midnattsloppet thing, I became intrigued, so I decided to go to both the Stockholm event and the Helsinki event this year, to photograph the various shows (such as the samba dance) accompanying the run. The only problem here is, that by the event's very nature, the lighting conditions are going to be quite poor. The Stockholm event is on August 17, and the Helsinki event is on August 31. In both, the shows generally start at 7 PM and the actual run starts at 9 PM. How dark is it generally at that time in Stockholm and Helsinki? I understand that Stockholm is a bit south from Helsinki, so in late summer, it gets dark sooner. However, the Helsinki event takes place later. I have an external flash for my Olympus E-620 camera to help me photograph. Am I right in understanding that for it to be any good, I have to point it horizontally at the shows? If I point it vertically upwards, the light will point to thin air, and absolutely none of it will reflect back into the lens, effectively making the effect worse rather than better. Has anyone here ever been to Midnattsloppet? If so, can I have some suggestions about this? JIP | Talk 18:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have a close look at the photo
Midnight run in Stockholm.
in our article. The shot was taken with an exposure time of 1/4sec, an aperture of 3.3 and an ISO setting of 400.
The interesting bit is the bright umbrella on the others side of the road (slightly off centre to the right in the cordoned off area). I assume that a press photographer in this spot is using a reflective umbrella with their flash (camera mounted or external). Depending on the material (aluminium foil, fiberglass, possibly others) and the options these cost from €15 to €30 online. You will need a special adapter for your tripod, so you can attach both the external flash and the reflective umbrella to it. You may be able to hire the gadgets unless you want to use them more often.
Now, you did not expect that the very article you linked to also answers your question :o) --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 20:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If an article is given a featured article status, I'm guessing people can still make edits to it. Which means the quality of the article might be compromised. Does that mean that the featured article status will be revoked from it when the quality deteriorates? Or will the bad edits simply be removed and the status of the article preserved? La Alquimista 20:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:FAR and WP:Stable versions. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 20:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In short, to summarize the above, so long as the changes to the article preserve featured-quality work (that is the added text is well written, relevant, and scrupulously referenced) per WP:WIAFA, then changes to featured articles are not only allowed, but expected and encouraged. Featured does not mean "in a final state" in any way, and continuous improvement is always welcome. The fact that changes are being made does not make an article unstable. --Jayron32 23:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

Making mocking melodies over folk songs

Is this possible to make a mocking/insulting melodies over O Christmas tree. This version I heard is Jingle bells batman smells is very popular, and Joy to the world, the barneys dead is quite common[11] i tried to find, but WP just eventually erased it. Is this possible there are insulting lyrics for O Christmas tree and Little brown jug. I remember I had a insulting lyrics for O Christmas tree, I can't really remember it straight right now, I have tried to come up one for little brown jug. Is there a possible insulting lyrics for Yankee doodle?--69.233.254.115 (talk) 04:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be asking about two things: (a) a mocking melody that fits the lyrics of "O Christmas Tree', and (b) a set of mocking lyrics that fit the melody of the same song. Correct? -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 04:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is what I want to know. Also little brown jug and yankee doodle.--69.233.254.115 (talk) 04:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]