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September 21

2013 America's Cup: Race 18 and 19 of 17

The 2013 America's Cup is a best 9 of 17 series of races. As of yesterday, the Americans have won five races compared to the New Zealanders' eight, but the American team started with a two point penalty due to cheating during the 2012 warmup events. so the score stands at NZ 8 / USA 3, with 13 of 17 races sailed. While it seems most likely that NZ will get their final win soon, what will happen in the improbable event that the Yanks win the next four races, bringing the score to NZ 8 / USA 7, with all 17 races sailed? Will additional races be scheduled? -- ToE 13:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Our article isn't quite up to date, though it already features races 15 - 17 as "if necessary". America's Cup's home page announces: "Sunday, Sept. 22: Race 18* (1:15 pm PT), Race 19* (2:15 pm PT) (*If necessary)". ---Sluzzelin talk 14:08, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the schedule I linked to [1] actually doesn't quite match the table in the article you linked to (2013 America's Cup). I don't know if Wikipedia is counting races differently. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That certainly answers the question, that the race series is the first to 9 points with a possibility of 19 races. It appears that the WP page on the race series is more up to date than the official page, and the race number discrepancy comes from the postponement of the 2nd race on the 19th and the abandonment of the first race on the 20th, which is not yet reflected on the official page. -- ToE 14:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Last time I checked the official schedule linked from our article did include a race 18 and 19 with a footnote mentioning the penalty. I do have some sympathy for your confusion, even here in NZ, surprisingly for all the talk about NZ needing to win 9 and Oracle needing to win 11, few people seemed to actually explain that the schedule would be extended to 19 as needed (I found out from our article it would be up to 19 I first heard anyone mention it a few days ago I think just after NZ reached 8). In fact I distinctly recall at least one source which said it was first to 9 or best of 17 and also mentioned the penalty with no explaination of what would happen if it reached 17 races without any team having 9 points (but barring further penalties or whatever, one team would be on 8 and one on 7 so if it was the best of 17 one would seem to be the winner which of course could have happened 9 races ago). Similarly last time I checked which was a while ago but was IIRC when the races had started and definitely after the penalty, the TVNZ schedule and possibly some official schedule I came across at the same time only listed 17 races. I guess the rules were clear that it was first to 9 so for those in the know it didn't need explaination that it would go past 17, but I also suspect some of these less knowledgable writers or commentators were just mathematically challenged and so didn't appreciate why some explaination would be helpful surrounding the best of 17 vs first to 9 issue. Nil Einne (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

key

Hello, these two songs have a different key ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 21:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The second one is lower. It might be due to a speed difference in the video. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:31, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The second version of the song is slowed down by approximately 3%, affecting both the pitch and the duration of the song. The second version is out of tune (flat). I checked with Audacity that I could get the two versions to be both in sync and in tune by speeding up the second one. The key of the first version is F#. F#, when played on the high E string of a guitar, has a frequency of 370 Hz. I had to detune my guitar such that F# corresponded to 364.9 Hz, to be in tune with the second version. If my late-night calculation is correct, that should mean that the second version is off by 25 cents (364.9 * 2^(25/1200) ≈ 370). The second version has also been heavily compressed and then normalized to max volume. --NorwegianBlue^talk 00:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think 3% should be about 50 cents. 100 cents is 5.946%. But actually 370/364.9 is about 1.4%, about 23 cents. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that the numbers don't fit, I was about to post a correction. I repeated the measurement of pitch difference again, listening a lot more carefully (it's night here, can't play loud). To be in tune with the second version, I needed to detune my guitar such that F# corresponded to 361 Hz. This means that second version is off by 43 cents (361 * 2^(43/1200) ≈ 370). There still is a discrepancy between the speedup (factor=1.0303) and the frequency-increase my ear perceives (factor=370/361 = 1.0249), but within the margin of error of the methods used, I suppose. --NorwegianBlue^talk 02:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's about right. The original calculations didn't quite match up is all. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:37, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it impossible to set the second song's key with instrument ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With some video editors you can adjust the speed, thus bring it up to par. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 22

Which song is this?

Can anyone tell me the name of this tune? Thanks in advance. 69.156.218.101 (talk) 04:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Tom Hark". There's a great version by The Piranhas here. --Viennese Waltz 07:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The original recording was by "Elias and His Zig Zag Jive Flutes", and reached no.2 in the UK chart in 1958. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just found that the version I linked to (and prefer the most after hearing all three versions) is by Mickey Finn And The Blue Men, thanks for identifying the song for me! Much appreciated as it has been stuck in my head for a while now. 69.156.218.101 (talk) 09:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Mickey Finn (guitarist) - more info here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:45, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Lasorda

I just watched an interview with Tommy Lasorda on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson and in it he said that he had been with the Dodgers for 64 years ("64 years with the Dodgers"). That would take him back to 1949. But according to his article, he's only been with the Dodgers since '54. Am I reading it wrong or does he have his dates mixed up? Dismas|^(talk) 09:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Our article says that his minor-league contract was bought by the Dodgers in 1949, and he was assigned to their South Atlantic League team the Greenville Spinners. The lead also says, "In 2009, he marked his sixth decade in one capacity or another with the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers organization." Deor (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So it's not necessarily that he spent his time with the Dodgers specifically but with their organization in general. I see. Dismas|^(talk) 10:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reconstruction of historical martial arts

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen

There are people, who claim, that they are able to reconstruct and practice the extinct martial arts of medieval Europe. They claim, that they got this knowledge by reading some of the fighting manuals ("Fechtbücher" in German). Now, I do not have any experiences in martial arts whatsoever, but I am learning German, and I am a longtime practioner of modern day fencing. Under http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/7522/53/cache.off and http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/thalhofer/thott-2_290.html are two of the German Fechtbücher available. The tradition of these fighting manuals was never broken, even when fencing itself changed from the cutting to more thrusting oriented fighting styles (a great modern fencing book would be Prof. William M. Gaugler's "The Science of Fencing: A Comprehensive Training Manual for Master and Student"). My question is: is it possible to learn fencing by such old literature? There is a interesting comparison on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHEs2m0IXAk between the modern day interpretation and the original writings and drawings. I personally would doubt, that I would be able to learn fencing by consuming some of the modern day books on the subject (all the little details, like the the correct use of the motor leg or the binding of the blades in the very first phase), but then again, I have no idea, how most martial arts work.--92.105.189.138 (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's always possible that historical reconstructions get something wrong, but that's true for anything to do with history. That's part of the fun and part of the challenge! We have an article on Historical European martial arts, with a section on revivals and reconstructions. That should help answer your questions. Adam Bishop (talk) 12:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bear in mind that the reconstructors are almost certainly already proficient in one or more "living" martial arts, which would give them considerable insight into non-explicit details of the historical one(s) they're working on: they're not starting from a blank slate. Given certain aspects which the old manuals do prescribe, others probably follow by default, as there are only so many ways the human body can move and weapons be efficiently applied. There are similar reconstructionalist practitioners in the UK, as well: A relevant book I own is at home (while I'm at work) so I can't cite it, but Company of Maisters may be of interest. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

key

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxnTdFyd0l0

Hello, this song is off-key ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's all in-key, but it's not at concert pitch (so if you're trying to play along to it with e.g. a piano it won't sound nice). Assuming it's in G, it seems to be very flat. That may be an artefact of the video transfer and encoding stages that have been applied to it (PAL<->NTSC, telecine) which may have pitch-shifted it from how it was originally recorded. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Finlay, see previous similar question by same poster.

The song is, as Finlay states not at concert pitch, and I think judging by your previous, similar question with two versions of another song, that is what you meant by off-key. So yes, in that sense it's off key, flat, but slightly less so than the song of your previous question. As with the previous song, the key is F#. When played on the highest guitar string, that corresponds to 370 Hz. This time I needed to detune my guitar such that F# was at 364.2 Hz, to get the F# on the guitar to match the frequency of the song. Are you processing and uploading these files yourself? If so, what kind of equipment are you using? It is unthinkable nowadays that pop music is recorded at anything else than concert pitch, and if the music has been transferred and processed digitally, it wouldn't have gone out of tune. So what's going on? --NorwegianBlue^talk 23:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Japanese bullet games"?

Hello, Ref Desk,

I just heard an interview on NPR with an author who was talking about mobile technology's role in our lives these days and said his latest addiction was "Japanese bullet" games (there might have been an additional word in the phrase. I did a search of Wikipedia and nothing popped up in the search.

Does this ring a bell? I don't think the author was a video game expert so it can't be something too obscure. Thanks for your help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it was "bullet hell games" [danmaku] (a type of Shoot 'em up), games where enemies fire hundreds of missiles in dense patterns and the player must find a safe path through while still attacking enemies. See this video for some examples - the boss battle at 4:00 in that video is good example of true bullet hell. These games, while not exclusively Japanese, are particularly popular there, and most are produced in Japan for the domestic market. An even crazier example is here. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:19, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure that is it, Finlay McWalter! Thank you. It must really be Japanese, "bullet hell" games, rather than "Japanese bullet" games. I appreciate you addressing my question! ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 23

Horror movie

I saw a movie on the Syfy channel last month where girl was terrorizing a lady and some other people. In one scene the lady hides in her room from the girl who then breaks down the door but doesn't appear. In another scene a guy was eating in a cafeteria and the girl has possessed an Asian-looking man, so the guy stabs the man in the neck with a fork, but then as he runs away he slips and stabs himself in the eye with his knife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.87.87 (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can look through the list at Category:Syfy original films and see a familiar title. Or you can visit the network's website and look through their list. I'm not sure if Editors who visit this reference desk will be able to identify an original Syfy film from the details you provided. Are you sure it didn't involve sharks and a tornado? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found it. It's Case 39. Old Syfy schedule was listed [here] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.87.87 (talk) 03:01, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you were able to find an answer to your question, 153.90.87.87. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

StuRat (talk) 16:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Bullying Video from 1981/1982

This is a tall order, I hope someone can help me. Here goes

Sometime sround 1982 ... waaaaay before the kind of anti-bullying media we see today... there was a video we watched in my 2nd grade class where an elementary school boy was teased and tormented at school by this other kid. The victim of bullying tried everything he could to get away from the bully including talking to teachers and also trying to be friends with older kids who had stood up to the bully in the past. The rumor then started around school that the vitim was going to get beat up after class and he fled the school down the back stairs. The bully chased him out and then caught up to him. At this point, for some reason I cant remember why, the bully was going to take him out into the farmland near the school and beat him up. The two walked for what seemed like miles until the victim tried to make a break for it. The two ran into an old barn, the victim climbed up in a loft, the bully followed, then fell and broke his leg. The film ends with the victim now turned victor saying; "Now I'm gonna LEAVE you here!"...anyone remember this? -OberRanks (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC) [reply]

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

That seems like a bizarre message - "teachers and older students will let you get away with bullying, but be careful about it because if by random chance you get seriously injured and the only person around is your victim then they probably won't help you." Or for the victims, "teachers and older kids won't help you. Your best chance is to hope your bully breaks his leg." If someone manages to track it down it will be interesting to see if your summary is accurate or if there is a bit more to it that didn't stick around in your memory of watching it as a 2nd grader. Katie R (talk) 11:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably the reason why it's from 1982 and anti-bullying tactics have changed so much. — Richard BB 11:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, now the victims don't wait for divine intervention - they take assault rifles to school and deal with the problem directly. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In my schooldays (1960s) the message, if there was one, was always that "all bullies are cowards", so all you had to do was stand up to them and they would run away snivelling. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really work if the bully is bigger than you are. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And/or has one or more sycophants with him/her. MarnetteD | Talk 21:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barring some sort of authority-figure intervention, the best the victim can probably hope for is to keep reaction to a minimum, and the bully should theoretically lose interest eventually. That's a more civil way of dealing with it than trying to arrange an assassination. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:13, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With the advent of the Internet and social networking services of the 21st century, you now have a new form of online bullying. This is the type where the bully and the victim do not have to know each other personally, and the only way to tear down the anonymity of the Internet is to ask for professional or legal assistance. 164.107.102.193 (talk) 13:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Football - Quarterbacks 1950-1960

Trying to find the name of an NFL quarterback who played between 1950 and 1960. We think his first name is Kyle - not sure. He was a "mean/tough" guy who would go after players who stopped his passes or plays. We thought he played for Detroit or Pittsburgh, but that doesn't seem right.198.232.104.106 (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are only 12 teams around today that played in the 1950's: Cardinals, Browns, Giants, Redskins, Steelers, Eagles, Colts, Bears, Lions, 49ers, Rams, and Packers. If you start at Category:Lists of National Football League quarterbacks and select each of those teams, you can peruse all of the starting QBs from each of those teams, and see if it jogs your memory. I'll note that Bobby Layne was one of the best QBs of the 1950s, known as a tough guy, and he started for both the Lions and Steelers, so if you remember those teams, maybe it was him. --Jayron32 22:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Rote came to mind, but he was not known as a quarterback. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, I thought of Tobin Rote as a possibility, though he's no relation to Kyle, he did play QB during the 50s. Though he's most famous for the pre-Lombardi era Packers, he did also follow Layne at the Lions, and was the starting QB in place of the injured Layne on the Lions last NFL championship. Rote's Packers teams were legendarily dreadful, despite the fact that he was actually very good, they had no running game (he frequently led the team in rushing as a QB) and a terrible defense. --Jayron32 01:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 24

E major

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N72dsXD2GdM

Hello, this song is in E major ? 198.105.101.130 (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could say that, but the concert pitch is not the standard A=440Hz, it's closer to A=453Hz. But then you could also say that it is F Major and the pitch is closer to A=428Hz. I'm not sure why such a non-standard pitch is used. --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 17:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

What's this tune/song?

Here. I created the MIDI myself from memory. I don't claim to have an ear for music, but it sounds pretty much like I'm thinking. I've heard it many a time but never caught its name. I think the original is really a synth piano from the 60s or 70s. Does anybody know the name? 75.75.42.89 (talk) 01:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's very familiar. Sounds like the theme tune from some movie, possibly written by Henry Mancini. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:14, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Bossa Nova song from the 60's. Fairly certain it isn't actually Mancini, although it certainly sounds like him. Isn't there a website one can plug such tunes in to get a title? μηδείς (talk) 03:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not quite, but almost entirely undissimilar to the Elephant Song. μηδείς (talk) 03:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found it. It is "So Nice" (Summer Samba) as covered by Astrid Gilberto. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-5SyBn4fY. I found it at midomi http://www.midomi.com/ by singing the tune. μηδείς (talk) 04:04, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Thanks. The Walter Wanderley recording was the one I was remembering. 75.75.42.89 (talk) 08:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Midomi was giving me the Gilberto version because my voice apparently resembles hers. μηδείς (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

oasis concett at civic theatre,newcastle,australia.what was the concert date?

Can someone pls tell me the exact date the band Oasis played at Civic Theater in Newcastle,Australia. I attended the concert & was the first night I met my partner. I cannot find it anywhere,pls help.101.119.17.219 (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it was for the Heathen Chemistry Tour, then 15th October 2002. Nanonic (talk) 06:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A ghost movie

There was this movie whose name I'm forgetting. It's protagonist was a dentist who, after a near death experience, could see ghosts, who bored him excessively by asking him again and again to complete their unfinished jobs. It was a comedy. Can anyone make a guess? Thanks a lot. --Yashowardhani (talk) 13:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would that be Ghost Town with Ricky Gervais? uhhlive (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashowardhani (talk • contribs) 15:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Playing pranks on photographers

Is there a term (established, slang, or otherwise) for the practice of suddenly making silly faces/gestures/etc. as a photographer is taking a picture? Cf this image; I was photographing a house, and the people on the porch noticed what I was doing (I wasn't paying attention and didn't notice them) and made silly faces/gestures/etc. Nyttend backup (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up knowing it as "pranking" but that may just be regional to my part of the states. In this internet age the term Photobombing has come into vogue. This may be one of the funniest and well thought out examples I have seen to date. MarnetteD | Talk 16:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I always called it "spoiling" the picture - basically an act of contempt toward the photographer. And it's not new. There's a semi-famous team photo of the Boston ball club in the 1880s, in which Hoss Radbourn is flipping the bird at the photographer.File:Old Hoss Radbourn finger.jpg I wouldn't say so in this case, though, as they're just waving, unless I've missed some detail. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 27

duplicate videos on youtube

since the youtube website itself doesn't seem much help with user enquiries, I thought it best to ask here as well, in case anyone knows about this. I've noticed that one of my video uploads is getting a lot more attention than the rest, and being on a completely different subject from anything else on my channel, getting that attention from a totally different group of people. I am tempted, then, to create more of that subject to upload, but rather than flood my existing channel, which is mostly dedicated to one area of specialist interest, I want to create a second channel and post them there. However, at that point I'd want to upload the original to it as well. I am wondering how that would go, with me effectively uploading two identical copies of the same video on two different channels, is this something that would be acceptable to the website or not?

213.104.128.16 (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This archived question from May addresses some of the issues around having two channels, but doesn't answer the question about duplicating videos on two of your channels. It does contain a link to a Youtube Google forum where you could ask this question and maybe find a Youtube user who has been in this situation or who knows the answer. - Karenjc (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I seriously doubt that YouTube would get angry with you or anything. I used to be a very active user on YT a few years back, for a good chunk of time. Take Video Game Music uploads for instance. User A uploads the SNES Super Mario World Athletic Theme, and uses the game's cover as the picture. User B also wants to upload this track... what else do they have to use than the cover art of the game? Guess they could use official art or something they've drawn themselves, but there's nothing stopping them from using the cover art; it's not like User A has any ownership over it. So User B uploads seemingly the same video. This happens all the time with other types of videos too. YouTube themselves don't really care as long as your video complies with the rules and they are still making money. The users are a whole other group, though. Users may find having multiples of videos be confusing, especially if the video is something quite unique, and the channels aren't linked. If the channels are linked, then there might not be much trouble. If they aren't, then there could be some issues with users contacting you ("User Z") about your other account ("User Y"): "Hey, User Z... I just noticed there's this guy named User Y and he stole your video!" - stuff like that. I would reccomend that you link in the description of the video something like "See <secondchannel> for more videos on this topic" or something like that. If you want them completely separate, then you can take the risk, and if anything disagreeable happens then you can always delete the original video. Good luck! --.Yellow1996.^(ЬMИED¡) 17:38, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 28

Castle of Illusion remake statues, chillies and magic playing cards

Is there a websites that shows how you can get all statues, chillies and magic playing cards in each illusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.107.237 (talk) 16:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't tried any of them, but Googling (or Binging) "Castle of illusion walkthrough" gives several possibilities. Rojomoke (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who sang this limbo song?

Who sang this song? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.107.237 (talk) 16:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first comment answers the question. μηδείς (talk) 16:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The word "who" was inadvertently omitted from the header. It's in the question, but the link was misformatted and the word didn't show up on screen. I've fixed the link formatting and amended the header. We can now continue. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name that tune

I am wondering what a certain tune is called. It is a wind band tune that I heard at a school concert last summer. I think it's name might have a bird's name in it. Any names? drt2012 (talk) 23:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much any tune can be arranged for a wind band, so the answer could be any tune that may or may not have a bird's name in it. Without giving us a little more to go on, it's unlikely anyone can come up with the answer. - Karenjc (talk) 14:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Snowbird, Free Bird, Albatross, Blackbird, Peacock, Yellow Bird, Disco Duck, etc, etc --TrogWoolley (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds quite orchestral, and triumphant. I think it also has a word in the title suggestive of being up in the air. drt2012 (talk) 19:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Lark Ascending might fit that particular bill, but it doesn't spring to mind as a piece within the scope of a school orchestra (unless they're REALLY good!). Alansplodge (talk) 20:17, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's written for solo violin and chamber orchestra. An arrangement for wind band would be a travesty, imo, and I really hope nobody has ever done this. Fwiw, the only arrangement IMSLP is aware of is the original version for violin and piano (which is not really an arrangement, being the original concept; the familiar violin/orchestra version is actually the arrangement). -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:29, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that is the wrong tune, any other suggestions? drt2012 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Go right to the source and ask the horse. That is, contact the school and ask about the performance and ask about how you can contact whoever gave the performance. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That, or give us rather more to go on than the scraps of info you've proffered so far. Seriously, this is not a guessing game. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is or was a website where you can record brief audio clips. Maybe the OP could look for that (whatever it is) and whistle or hum the tune for us. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

www.chirbit.com. www.vocaroo.com. -Karenjc (talk) 07:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I keep saying (in my mind) we need a telepathic reference desk, but nobody ever listens. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 30

folk song

hi i am looking for a folk song of BRAZIL /it can be a tune or song with lyrics,lyrics lyrics can be about BRAZIL people ,culture,and song should not hav copyright issue,so i can use in my shows. thnx sunil kaushik 91 9324221088 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.89.48.237 (talk) 10:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the Wikipedia article titled Music of Brazil. If you start there, and follow some links, you can likely find what you are looking for. --Jayron32 13:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why some note symbols have # while others dont?

Musical newbie here. Why on the traditional tuning system, some letters like C, have the C#, while others dont?201.78.195.79 (talk) 13:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

# means sharp, e.g. C sharp. You might find our List of musical symbols helpful. --Viennese Waltz 13:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add a bit to that, sharp (♯) means to raise the note one semitone. Flat (♭) means to lower the note one semitone. Natural (♮) means to return a note which had been raised or lowered to its original value. --Jayron32 13:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, why I know its is sharp, I am asking why some have a sharp while others dont. Or to be specific, why we use 12 TET instead of 14 TET. And if 12 must be used because of some reason why we dont use letters from A to J without the sharps, or from A to F with the sharps.201.78.195.79 (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think what happened is that western music started out with the diatonic C major and A minor scales, the intervals of which were based on frequency ratios (the cycle of fifths) which were felt to be the most pleasing but which are not equally spaced between the octaves. As these were the only notes used, they were named in a continuous sequence, CDEFGABC (C major) or ABCDEFG (A minor). Then musicians found they got interesting tunes and harmonies by also occasionally using the notes in between, which were designated "sharp" for a semitone up and "flat" for a semitone down. But because the notes of the diatonic scale are not evenly spaced, there is only a semitone between E and F and between B and C, so there's no room for sharps or flats between them. Then they worked out equal temperament, dividing the octave into twelve equal semitones, which allowed them to transpose tunes into different keys. --Nicknack009 (talk) 14:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article titled Note has a section titled "History of note names" which may be of interest to this discussion. --Jayron32 18:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, C♯ is as different from C as Barack Obama is from George W Bush. We never refer to Obama as "the president after Bush", but in music there are good historical reasons why the black keys are named by reference to the white ones either side rather than given a completely different letter. (That, by the way, is not a prediction that the next US president will be white.) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

October 1

Spaceships battle game

:A friend has this real old strategy PC game that I never heard before, and it’s a sequel, or at least it say it’s a second part of something, so maybe the actual game had some kind of impact, I don’t know but the thing is the game is awesome, the title is “Homeworld 2”

I don’t play very much, actually in a long time I have not play at all… but man this thing is immersive, you can build spaceships and control its individual weapons and do alignments with others fighters starships and it’s all in a free 3d movement environment, yesterday I pass by to say hallo and when I realized I was spend almost one hour…

Is there a newer version, or an in progress one? Or is there any other game like it but more modern? Around 2011 or newer? Better graphics etc.

Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]