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How do I link a person from another wiki page not using full name ?

I am editing another wiki encyclopedia page to link a name it it to another newly created page, of that linked person, but I do not want to use the middle name as displayed. How do I bracket that name without using the middle name so it will connect?

Thanks. 73.164.74.187 (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You use [[full article name|name you want to display]], for example [[Barack Obama|Obama]] shows the name Obama, and links to the page Barack Obama. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:04, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

To add this is called a piped link, due to the use of the '|' pipe symbol which can be difficult to find on some keyboards. Full guidance in how and when to use piped links can be found at Wikipedia:Piped link. Nthep (talk) 15:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. This is called a piped link. You could for example link John Lester Miller with [[John Lester Miller|John Miller]] which renders as John Miller. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I will do that. However, on this same encyclopedia page, the full name, as it is titled, is not "piped," yet it gets "redirected" to the subject page. Is there another edit that is done to the receiving, or "subject page," so it can be linked from an inexact title reference?

Thanks, I'm very new to this. Chauncy1 (talk) 16:57, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Chauncy1, could you tell us the link you're talking about, and the page it leads to? I think I know what you're getting at, but I want to be sure before launching into an explanation. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It would help if you could be more precise (which name on which page), but I suspect it is a redirect - a page designed to link one version of a name to the title we have chosen for our article. If you click on Robert Allen Zimmerman you will end up at Bob Dylan but (if, and only if, you go via Robert Allen Zimmerman) the third line down on the Bob Dylan page is "Redirected from Robert Allen Zimmerman" - is that what you see if you use the link to the full name, but end up on the shorter name? - Arjayay (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

The St. Jos. Cathedral reference to Emmanuel Masqueray takes you directly to Emmanuel Louis Masqueray. But, for Edwin Lundie, also referenced in St. Jos., if I edit/bracket it, it will not take me to Edwin Hugh Lundie wiki page. I looked and cannot find any "piped" language.

Chauncy1 (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Joseph_Cathedral_(Sioux_Falls,_South_Dakota)

Chauncy1 (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

As I suspected the link to Emmanuel Masqueray is a redirect (it appears in green if you have the right settings in My Preferences) to Emmanuel Louis Masqueray which states (Redirected from Emmanuel Masqueray) if you go via the shorter name. if you click on the Emmanuel Masqueray in that heading it will take you to the redirect page itself.
Redirect pages have to be created like any other page - for instructions see Wikipedia:Redirect - but the standard toolbar includes a redirect short-cut (second from right under Advanced) - Arjayay (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Graphic Designer's barnstar

In Wikilove there is an option, Graphic Designer Barnstar. Where can i find those GD who are currently active. They might help us hereC E (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey CosmicEmperor. I don't know that there's a quicker way to determine who is active other than looking at their contributions one by one, but for a list of possibles you might look to Category:Wikigraphists. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

To hyphenate or to not hyphenate?

I have just edited/updated a page RTÉ Executive Board which contains references to the Director General/Director-General of the organisation Director-General of RTÉ.

I have noticed that the title is variously hyphenated and non-hyphenated, and the more recent sources seem to have generally (pardon the pun) dropped the hyphen.

My question is: What should I do about this?

(a) create a Talk question on Director-General of RTÉ? (b) find some specialized Manual of Style forum and ask the question there? (c) ignore the whole thing and get a life?

Paul Dublin (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the wonderful world of WP:MOSDASH (yes, we have a whole style guideline on what sort of dashes to use...). My entirely personal take is that a Director General is not a Director and a General, but a General Director, which would - under our style guidelines - not require a dash. Then again, I just used hyphens instead of spaced en-dashes to offset a phrase, so what do I know? If there is dissent from other editors then you should instigate a talkpage discussion, but otherwise I'd suggest you edit it in line with the most common use in up-to-date sources and then follow option c. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui thanks for the quick response. I'm pleased to hear the answer (which I'll paraphrase as) "do your best and then move swiftly to option C". Best, Paul Dublin

link to another wikipage in other language

Hi! I am trying to add a link in a wikipedia article to the name of one person. The article is written in Spanish and this person has no entry in Spanish, so I would like to link from the Spanish main article to the English page of this person. Is it possible? Many thanks in advance! Soymppo (talk) 10:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You'll find the information at Help:Interlanguage links. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

getting my article approvedd

I am writing about a family run business and factory from 1920s which does not exist anymore. It was a thriving business for that particular time and location. The ruins of the massive complex exists to date. unfortunately i cant get much reference apart from other wikipedia articles and a book published by Barnes and noble. I am a 4th generation descendant from the same family and my article is based on accounts from senior family members. How do I g about it and ensure its not taken off wikipedia. Shitangsu (talk) 09:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@Shitangsu: I have moved this to Draft:Das's Rice Mill Of Jhalakati to allow you to work on it, and will leave some commentary there shortly, and let you know I have done so. The Draft: namespace allows you time to work in peace and quiet before submitting for review. Fiddle Faddle 10:07, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Best practices for addressing dispute with an Admin

I have been hired as a consultant to assist with monitoring and providing feedback on a biography of a living person. I first addressed the problem on my Talk page and when I received no reply started a discussion on the biography Talk page. I understand that as a paid contributor I am assumed to have a prejudice/conflict of interest, but would like to be clearer on what I can and cannot do to address present concerns - I cannot help but feel there is an agenda in place in edits made by this particular Admin and as a newbie I feel 'bitten.' When I read the Wikipedia guidelines for paid contributors, it appeared that I could make edits as long as I disclosed my status (which I have done on my Talk page and the bio's Talk page) but am now being told I cannot make any edits except to remove vandalism. The current state of the bio is IMO so poor that it is need of a rather lengthy rewrite, in part to give a context for criticism the subject has received. Do you think creating a sandbox would be a good idea? Note that only 30 people are watching this page.Bashamfour (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan: EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bashamfour: Yes you can make edits as you please as long as they conform to COI and Neutrality guidelines. Removing sourced content will be a contentious issue though. I'll head over to the article and take a glance, but I'm no expert in this area. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Food Restaurnts

Can I post wikipedia page about food restaurant in Champaign? ThanksKdk1104 (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kdk1104, and welcome to the Teahouse. Restaurants need to meet the same criteria as any other organization if they are to have an article on Wikipedia - see the article at WP:42 for an outline of the requirements to see whether it is "notable" (in the special Wikipedia sense of that word).--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

references/citing

not sure how to reference/cite information. i am stuck and not sure what to do. please help! :) MakingProgress (talk) 21:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

MakingProgress, the most important thing is that you include the relevant information in the article (e.g. for a newspaper article: title, date, newspaper, author); the formatting is less critical. To learn how to make properly formatted references, watch the videos at Help:Referencing for beginners. I'd also recommend reading WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide if this article is an autobiography, and Wikipedia:Notability (people) to see if Brian Kessler even qualifies for an article at all. Right now the article is in rather sad shape and looks like an ad/PR puff piece. I'd recommend cutting every single thing out of the article that you are not able to add a third-party citation for, to leave at a maximum 25% of the current article content. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Can't get my page approved

Hi,

I have tried to submit a draft on Efrem Smith and it is getting rejected because it is too promotional. Is this promotional because of the tone or becuase the references are not reliable? Really confused!Dawsonvj (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The particular language that was used in the speedy deletion nomination has to do with the tone, not with the references. Since you created the article in article space rather than in draft space, and it has been speedy-deleted, I can't view the article and comment on the tone. If you had created the article in draft space, and its submission was rejected, other editors would be able to view it and comment on it. However, it appears that the tone was too promotional, and is not an issue about the references. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's the link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Efrem_SmithDawsonvj (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Dawsonvj, I removed a part of the article that clearly sounded promotional. I think there is a problem with the references, even if no one else has brought it up yet. A great number of the references are from sources affiliated with Smith: World Impact, Church Leaders (that is likely a bio he submitted himself), IV Press (same), Forge (same), and Exponential (same). Pietist Schoolman is a low-quality source (blog). And The Christian Post barely mentions Smith. The UYWI site is just a talk he gave, which can't establish his notability. Same with the Rapzilla and Willow Creek Association site. So really there is not a single good source in the article. Based on the draft as it currently stands, because there are no appropriate references, Smith appears to fail the notability requirements and does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. See Wikipedia:Notability (people) for the relevant rules. You may want to come back here to ask more about notability and referencing before you spend a lot of time working on an article that may not ultimately be accepted. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Most of those were just to show that he has spoken at those events. if a conference shows him on the website as a speaker, does that not suffice? Dawsonvj (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Dawsonvj, yes, but separate and apart from being able to verify the content of the article, the references must show that he is notable (see the linked guideline above). Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Where "notable" doesn't mean "famous" or "important" or "significant" or "worthy", Dawsonvj. As detailed in the link Calliopejen1 gave, it means that several reliable sources have published substantial writing about Smith, by people who have no connection with Smith. If such sources don't exist, then it is impossible to write an acceptable article about him now; and if they do exist, any acceptable article must cite several of them. --ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Dawsonvj My two bits - It's always a lot more difficult to create pages about 'not very notable' people. This is because of the lack of quality verbose content that can be put on the page and also you'll find it harder to find references for them. The comment Continues to read like an advertisement. Please do not submit unless substantially rewritten. implies that only positive aspects of the person feature in the article, making it seem more like a highlight platform rather than a neutral account of the person written and referenced by a neutral third party. Also, all references are from the companies of which he is CEO, this is a bit of a conflict of neutral information? Well pointed by Calliopejen1  yanka  AD  =Talk= 05:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

This has been very helpful, thank you! Dawsonvj (talk) 15:31, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Wouldnt he be considered notable if he has spoken at some of the biggest Christian conferences and is the President of a National Christian Non-profit? Dawsonvj (talk) 18:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Article rejected as "not neutral"

Hello:

My article was rejected as "not neutral." To be honest, I don't know how I could make this extremely dry and neutral piece any more neutral than it is. I read several similar entries, and the one I submitted closely mirrors those that were apparently accepted. Extremely frustrating! Here is my article...

This is not the place for a draft

The American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry (AAAP)1 is an American professional organization established in 1986, with more than 1,500 members. Based in East Providence, Rhode Island, AAAP is an educational resource for physicians—both psychiatrists and non-psychiatrists—on treating addictions and is accredited by the Accreditation Council for Continuing Medical Education2. It publishes a semi-monthly journal of addiction-related articles named, The American Journal on Addictions3. Mission: The AAAP is charged with: • Assuring that new discoveries, research findings, and technologies in the area of addictions become available to patients and are applied to clinical practice; • Supporting efforts to ensure that every patient with an addictive disorder has a psychiatric evaluation to assure accuracy of diagnosis and proper treatment; • Exploring the relationships of addiction psychiatrists to reimbursement systems, to managed care, and to third and fourth party payers; • Maintaining quality control and risk management in an era emphasizing cost containment; • Building relationships between psychiatrists and primary care physicians in treating the addicted as well as dually diagnosed patient; • Supporting adequate addiction treatment research Leadership The AAAP is governed by a 21-member medical board, which includes an international member and two trainee members. Membership For specialists in addiction psychiatry, general psychiatrists, physicians, academicians, researchers, medical students, and other health care professionals. AAAP provides continuing medical education programs in the field of addiction psychiatry. Special Projects AAAP is the lead organization for two three-year grants funded by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)3 . It is the lead organization for two SAMSHA grants, Providers’ Clinical Support System for Medication Assisted Treatment (PCSS-MAT) and Providers’ Clinical Support System for Opioid Therapies (PCSS-O). PCSS-O is a national training and mentoring project developed in response to the prescription opioid misuse epidemic. The PCSS-O is charged with providing at no cost educational programs on the safe and effective use of opioids for treatment of pain and safe and effective treatment of opioid use disorder. Members of the coalition include: American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry; Addiction Technology Transfer Center Network; American Academy of Neurology; American Academy of Pain Medicine; American Academy of Pediatrics; American College of Physicians; American Dental Association; American Medical Association; American Osteopathic Academy of Addiction Medicine; American Psychiatric Association; American Society for Pain Management Nursing; International Nurses Society on Addictions; and Southeastern Consortium for Substance Abuse. PCSS-MAT is a collaborative that provides educational trainings and resources to increase the knowledge base and clinical proficiency of prescribers and providers in treating opioid addiction through medication assisted treatment. Members of the PCSS-MAT program include the American Psychiatric Association; American Osteopathic Academy of Addiction Medicine; America Society of Addiction Medicine; Association for Medical Education and Research in Substance Abuse .

ChristieGiraud (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the place for a draft article, so I have collapsed the display. What you should do is link to it. I see that your Draft:AAAP and an earlier Draft:American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry seem to be referring to the same subject. The formatting of your attempt is so poor that it is difficult to read what it is trying to say. You also need to learn how to add references as footnotes (see WP:Referencing for beginners) to show which content is supported by which reference. Try reading WP:Your first article and the other links in the welcome message on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

removal of my edit

I joined today and edited a page related to Mr X Film. the edit was done in the reception part and I have also added due source in support of the edit. My edit was undone after sometime and I have received an intimation by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CosmicEmperor. The message says that my edit is not upto the standard and guidelines. I want to know why my edit was not at par with the guidelines and why it was removed. Aniltheultimate (talk) 13:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Aniltheultimate, and welcome to the Teahouse. I had a look at your edit to Mr. X (film) and the only comment I would make is that the quote could be a bit shorter, but I don't see why CosmicEmperor reverted it with the comment "Joke edit". I suggest you follow the standard Wikipedia process of "be bold - revert - discuss". You were bold in making the original change, another editor reverted, so the next step is to open a discussion on the article's Talk page. Describe the extra citation you want to add, explain that it was removed previously by CosmicEmperor, and ask for editors to discuss. Ping CosmicEmperor so he can explain why he is opposed to it. Once everybody has discussed it, hopefully the matter will be resolved by consensus.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Gronk Oz (talk) He considers this as reliable source. He is a new user.C E (talk) 14:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It's some personal blog which can't be cited in WPC E (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It would therefore have been sensible to have pointed out to the new user that blogs are not considered as reliable sources, and referrred him to WP:BLOGS. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't know that link before, anyway I mentioned your link on his talk page.C E (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Gronk Oz David Biddulph and CosmicEmperor for your replies on my edit removal. As per your mention I have checked WP:BLOGS., the information their says " self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs". I rechecked the source I have cited for the edit and I found that Dark Moon page is not operated by any individual self proclaimed person who claims to be expert of the filed. It is actually operated by a company Dark Moon Media Pvt Ltd. The Facebook page of the company https://www.facebook.com/DarkMoonin clearly indicates my citation page as an official website of the company. The company is not running that page with the bloggers platforms such as world press or google, instead it has the address www.darkmoon.in on the Facebook page. So I don't agree that this website and this company Dark Moon Media comes under the definition of an individual self proclaimed blogger. However I do agree with the suggestion of Gronk Oz that the edit should have been of lesser word. So I request you to revert the removal of my edit. Aniltheultimate (talk) 06:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Waiting for the response regarding removal of my first edit done for Mr X. The citation I have given does not come under the definition of an individual blog. So please allow me to re-edit the page again. Aniltheultimate (talk) 14:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about image uploads and copyright

I would like to upload photographs of a silversmith, Alfredo Sciarotta, and his work. The images are owned by his family and they have given me permission to upload to Wikipedia. What do I need to do indicate I have permission to upload them so as to ensure they are not deleted? Thanks! JRB250 (talk) 12:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

If the author is ready for granting you the permission: he or she must write a mail to declare that he/she has no problem with this upload and grant those rights. Here is the format.
Hope that helps and you can convince sending that mail!
117.198.177.251 (talk) 16:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

JRB250 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Make sure you get permission not just for use on Wikipedia but use for any purpose including commercial uses, without asking permission, as long as credit is given.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Why is my first article not able to be retained?

Hiya,

I joined yesterday, and thought I would create an article on Daniel Trilling, editor of the prestigious British magazine New Humanist, as well as a prolific journalist on issues surrounding refugees at Europe's borders. Here is the article: Daniel Trilling

I included as many citations as I could find and also listed categories, but unfortunately got a message from a user saying the article may not be retained. If anyone can explain why, I would be very grateful, as I do feel the subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.

Many thanks! PinkFlowerGirl (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

PinkFlowerGirl, fortunately the message is not that the article is under threat of deletion just that is could do with more independent sources about him. There is enough about him to meet the notability criteria, imo, but you have three or four references which are not independent as they are links to articles by him, not about him and the first reference is little more than a sub edit of an interview with him. Look for sources, like the book review, which talk about him and his work and you'll be fine. Nthep (talk) 09:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks Nthep! Much appreciated. PinkFlowerGirl (talk) 09:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The reference to "may not be retained" was in a welcome message on PinkFlowerGirl's user talk page, but that welcome message came from a user who may be somewhat confused. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

HELP WITH IMAGE UPLOAD

Hi Hi,

Can someone provide me some details on image uploads? It is a free-use logo?

Dannee112 (talk) 09:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dannee112: What sort of image are you trying to upload? What article are you planning to put the image in? Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dannee112 and Calliopejen1: First he told you it was a free logo, and where doesn't matter. To the question, free logos (most like free under PD-text logo) can be uploaded to http://commons.wikimedia.org using {{PD-text}} as the license tag. Feel free to reply here if you need more information. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:20, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

EoRdE6 "It is a free-use logo?" may be a question, not a statement... Given that Dannee112 is new at image uploads, I don't think we can necessarily assume that it is PD-text. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Dannee112, if you were referring to File:WestConnex Logo.png, you did the upload correctly! Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Point taken. I have left a nice graphic on your talk page explaining it all in this edit. Thanks! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk page

Can somebody please give me an explanation for the thing at the top of all article talk pages? The thing that says its in the scope of a WikiProject and its grade. What are they? —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

G'day again, DangerousJXD. A WikiProject is a group of contributors who want to work together as a team, often focusing on a specific topic area (for example, video games), a specific location or a specific kind of task (for example, checking newly created pages). When an article is identified as falling within the scope of a Wikiproject, it is initially assessed to determine how important the subject is to that project, and the quality of the article. If an article is of interest to more than one Wikiproject (there are more than 2,000 of them!) then it may receive a number of ratings like this. These ratings allow the members of that project to focus their efforts on the most important articles which still need the most work.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I wrote my first post wrong, apologies Gronk Oz and Acagastya (Acagastya also answer my question). I was talking about the things found on all article talk pages. At the top. It is that orangey box with colours, writing, and pictures. I can't paste one here cause it messed up my post. What are they called? Can I edit them? It is a little confusing as to what I'm looking at. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

How about Template:Don't template me? --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't understand what you mean when you say "I was talking about the things found on all article talk pages. At the top. It is that orangey box with colours, writing, and pictures." Looking at a few randomly-chosen article talk pages I don't always find pictures. Those pictures which I do find in a box at the top seem to be clearly associated with WikiProjects, which was the answer given by Gronk Oz. Perhaps, DangerousJXD, you could refer us to an example and describe what you are seeing? You said: "I can't paste one here cause it messed up my post"; if you want to paste something without messing up your post, put it between <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I am aware of the nowiki thing. Sorry for all the confusion. Example: Talk:The Evil Within. That is a video game article's talk page. The box directly underneath "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". I'd like an explanation on what they are. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ain't life wonderful - I learned something from looking into this question. I found Wikipedia:Talk page layout#Lead (bannerspace). Apparently that tasteful beige area is called a "banner box", and the bits within it are called "banners" (which can include the Wikiproject ratings, and other things such as FA / DYK appearances). Have a read of that article and I hope it will make sense then.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Yay, Gronk Oz! That is what I was talking about. Thank you very much! —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

What that page shows at the top is {{WikiProject Video games|class=start|importance=low}}. You'll find the detail of that template at Template:WikiProject Video games. In answer to your question "Can I edit them?", the answer is that for that specific template (and many others that are widely transcluded) there is a special protection to prevent wide-spread damage, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#template, so you can't edit it. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Trying to find a userbox

I once saw a userbox which said that the user does not use talk back templates. I want it! I can not find it again. I've searched multiple list of userbox pages to know avail. I have looked at many user pages, but no. I know this is a little pointless. —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @DangerousJXD: Sorry, but I couldn't find any userboxes in the userbox gallery that seemed to match your description. If you still can't find it, you can try making your own userbox or have someone else make it for you. CabbagePotato (talk) 07:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll find it one day. Making one is the quitters way. ;) —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not a user-box per se but is User talk:YborCityJohn/Editnotice this what you saw? - it is used on several other pages - Arjayay (talk) 08:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Definitely a userbox. Not that page; the same subject though. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

There is a similar thing at Template:Don't template me, but still not a Userbox.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

daldal (swamp) me log kaise doobte hai124.253.205.229 (talk) 07:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

daldal (swamp) me log kaise doobte hai124.253.205.229 (talk) 07:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our aim here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know.You mean to say how does one get to the bottom of the swamp (call it drowning). This question is not related to editing. You may ask these questions to question-and-answer website.
117.207.26.53 (talk) 08:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

His question is how people drown inside a marsh/bogC E (talk) 17:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I said (translated). And it is surely not an editing question. Some sort of hw question and not the perfect place to ask.
117.198.181.178 (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

New fast growing British Internet business

Is it allowed to post details of a fast growing new business and reference any people and companies involved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarissima123 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Clarissima123, I'd recommend reading Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) -- those two pages should answer your question. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

How to propose a deletion/revision?

Hello! I've encountered an article (multigenomic organism) that I think needs to be deleted or heavily revised, but I'm not sure if I should start an AFD discussion or simply add a PROD tag with reasons stated. Can someone advise me as to the best way to proceed? Unfortunately, I don't have time to revise it myself. The two major problems are that the article lacks references (since 2009) and has a misleading title that does not accurately describe its subject matter. The first sentence of the article describes obligate symbionts (a page which does not yet exist) very well, but does not describe multigenomic organisms at all. A multigenomic organism would be an organism that is described as a belonging to a single species but happens to have several different genomes - potentially from symbiogenesis or allopolyploidy. One could conceivably have a multigenomic organism without a symbioic relationship (i.e. distinct nuclear and mitochondrial genomes arising as a result of symbiogenesis are not called symbionts because the organisms cease to be distinct). I suspect that the title may have been coined by the author and does not reflect scientific consensus. Any advice would be much appreciated! Lagomorphae^(t) 06:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Lagomorphae, Given the somewhat complex issues at hand, I'd recommend starting an AFD discussion with essentially the same explanation you gave here. (The basic question is whether WP:TNT applies -- would it be better to revise the article, or to blow it up and start over?) You could also add the tag {{disputed}} to the top of the article and post that explanation on the talk page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Calliopejen1! Your response was very helpful. I will start an AFD discussion. Lagomorphae^(t) 01:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Blocking a User from Talk Page.

I am wondering how I would be able to have an editor blocked from my talk page except to discuss edits that I have done on Wikipedia. The user in question is User:Dfrr. Thanks! TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, Dfrr isn't making friend lately is he... Other than by requesting an WP:IBAN there isn't much you can do, however given the disruption this user seems to be causing (on my talk page too), you may see a WP:ANI thread about him soon. Until then, remove the comments or friendly ask him to stop posting (don't use personal attacks, a user just got a 48 hr block for attacking Dfrr...) I'll ping you if any action is taken in the end. Thanks! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 04:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Mainly to ping you, @TheGRVOfLightning: ouch your userpage took a hit from the Userbox issues we've got going eh... More information can be found here... EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 04:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Just a notice. @EoRdE6:, Seems that the user left Wikipedia. Very weird week of editing... TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 06:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheGRVOfLightning. You can't block another editor completely from your talk page, because there are certain formal notices that other editors are required to leave on your page, such as a report about your conduct to an administrative noticeboard. But if you tell another editor to stay off your talk page, that is a powerful request that should be honored except for those formally required notices. Any editor who knowingly violates such a clearly stated request may be guilty of disruptive editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the fine welcome Cullen328. I think the issue is gone. That said. I would let him contact me regarding edits but spam? Well. I guess this is what happens after 2 years of editing! TheGRVOfLightning (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Any editor may, unofficially, ban another editor from their talk page. Posting to a talk page from which one has been banned is considered disruptive, with the exception of certain required postings. That is, if you are reporting the editor who has banned you at a noticeboard, you must notify them, which overrides the ban. With those exceptions, posting to an editor's talk page, when one has been requested not to do so, is considered disruptive, and might even result in a block. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

I was poking around an electronic job-finding site and I came across the résumé of somebody who does Paid Editing for Wikipedia. OK, no problem there. But this person posted links to some article he said he had created, and I checked the articles and found they were created by two different accounts, and then I checked some more articles created by those accounts, and there are several cases of overlapping edits, so I think one of these accounts is a sockpuppet of the other, so what should I do about it? I've gone to the page here where you report such shenanigans, but I don't feel like spending my hours of Real Life gathering all the "evidence" against this fellow. What should I do? I forgot to say — he has not declared himself as a Paid Editor. Not once. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile:Bring this topic to Admins. WP:ANB is the place! They will check it for the case, and if they are actually in this, then necessary actions will be taken by them.
117.207.26.53 (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

i have linked my page to others and linked another to mine

how do i get the warnings to go awayNairobi Adams (talk) 22:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams: Any editor in good standing may remove them manually. This includes you. We work on the honour system Fiddle Faddle 22:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done. @Nairobi Adams:, another editor (@Timtrent:) has beaten us to it, and removed these maintenance tags from Renee Rochelle. I cleaned up the formatting a bit, but I have to note that the article is desperately short of independent references (the subject's own social media pages don't count!).--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

You are very kind, Gronk Oz. By "desperately short", I think you mean "entirely lacking" and therefore "at high risk of deletion". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I have gone in and cited actual published articles vs social media pages, the social media pages can actually be deleted if needed. Nairobi Adams (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams: - you will have seen by now that the article has been proposed for deletion. If you wish to save the article, the ball is in your court to prove her "notability", in the special Wikipedia sense of the word. (There are specific guidelines for authors' notability at WP:AUTHOR.) Basically, this means providing links to show that there is extensive coverage about the author and her works in independent, reliable sources, including reviews published in major newspapers and magazines (not the customer reviews on Amazon or similar), major awards, etc. (The STL Social News article probably won't count because it appears to be written by her; it is just a copy of her FaceBook profile.) So now is the time to pull out that scrap-book, and list all that press coverage to show how notable she is. Best of luck.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I went back and added some additional articles but they may not give me the time to add more. I saw that on the wiki page for deletion it said if the article is new they can tag it as needing more sources before simply deleting it but I dont see that they will give me much time to do that. Renee is not a writer for the St. Louis Social paper so I would assume they asked her for a bio and simply used that for the article. thank you so much! I hope they give me time to get more sources for the article!I would like more time Nairobi Adams (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nairobi Adams:, you are not allowed to delete the deletion notice on Renee Rochelle (it clearly says "don't delete this notice", so no-one should delete them)- if you want to save the article, you need to add reliable sources to it. Currently it has no reliable sources, so will almost certainly be deleted, in my opinion. The page won't be deleted immediately, but there is a discussion about whether to delete it or not at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renee Rochelle. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

When a page you have is patrolled

When a page you have (article or your own sandbox) is patrolled, what does it mean? Alicia leo86 (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Alicia leo86:I believe new users are put on "patrols" or lists (think a to do list) to see if there is anyone breaking the major rules. I've had some periodically and I'm in the first half a year on here. IamM1rv (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Patrolling refers to the new page patrol process which is a giant list of all pages created by people without the autopatrolled right (almost all users). Experienced editors go through this list and make sure that the article conforms to wikipedia's many policies, such as notability and the guidelines on promotional material. I'm involved with the process, so if you have any more questions I'm happy to answer! Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Winner 42 Thank you! But why would your very own sandbox would be patrolled? Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Alicia leo86: While not a priority, sandboxes can be patrolled to make sure that they don't contain spam. Sometimes editors will find your sandbox one way or another and patrol it. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Winner 42 Okay, thank you. Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Question on mass deletes

Hi guys, I was over on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_April_21 reading the deletes for the day. Someone has been a little over active in nominating and under active in the verifying notability per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Nominating article(s) for deletion Part D. How would I go about flagging and responding to several of these at once (since they didn't bundle the albums & bands together per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How to nominate multiple related pages for deletion. Also, if the response isn't good to their talk page, who would I contact to mass pull their entries for a day? Thanks, -- IamM1rv (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Looking at it I'm going to assume your talking about @Lachlan Foley:'s nominations. Now that they have been nominated, it will probably be easier to handle each one individually, even though it may be a hassle. Once nominated there I'd no way to "mass pull" unless they are obvious false DR's, these have merit and policy. LF in the future, remember certain AfD's can be grouped for easier access. Thanks EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@EoRdE6: Yes, they are false - or incorrectly pulled without following policy of googling first before a deleteWikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How to nominate multiple related pages for deletion. Special:Contributions/Lachlan_Foley&offset=20150421060100&target=Lachlan+Foley... as you can see here, this person is nominating 3-5 pages per a couple minutes - it's obvious they are not googling as required. Due to the fact they are albums, I would have to defend each one by spending 5 minutes a set or an hour researching & copypasta links etc. That's not the extent of it either, this person has been on talk pages of 7 people (i've not read all the chats, but it appears 7 other people have issues with this behavior themselves). Where would we go to effect change if the user hasn't withdrawn the deletes? Since we can tell from the log of how long / frequently this person spent deleting pages that they are just looking for a change count score - should I just remove the deletion myself if they don't respond or is there someone I can contact for specialized advice. IamM1rv (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It's definitely not easiest to oppose these individually - I could be looking at hours of fixing this person's mistakes just justifying in the deletion thread, not counting if I go and add the links to the article itself and make it pretty. I'm doing my best to assume good intentions, regardless of their intentions but they are damaging the Wikipedia & taking time for responsible Wikipedians. IamM1rv (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

IamM1rv, I think you did the right thing by leaving him/her a talk page message. Note that the question for these nominations isn't whether Basement Jaxx as a band is notable, it's whether the particular release by Basement Jaxx is notable. So it's a matter of finding sources specific to that particular album to support the existence of the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for saying nice things @Calliopejen1: ... but, you did not read enough before posting to me here. The wikipedian in question did report the band and everything associated with it. I get that each page in a standard situation with a responsible wikipedian should be opposed individuals based on it's merit. This is not the case though ... which is why I am here asking about it. As a stop gap, I copy pasted the same links to each article so other users won't vote blinding thinking the deletion request was done "due diligence" (googling per required deletion policy) for each page reported. IamM1rv (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, I read in WP:PROD that I can object by simply removing the tag - but if the article is questionable - I don't want to trigger permanent rule about how you can't ever put something up for AfD a second time if I might be wrong. IamM1rv (talk) 14:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

IamM1rv, Since Lachlan Foley used the full "AFD" (articles for deletion) process rather than "PROD" (proposed deletion), you can't remove the tags. LF didn't nominate the band itself, or any of its studio albums, as far as I can tell. It appears that he only nominated remix/b-side/EP albums, whose notability (in my mind) may be doubtful. Maybe it would have been ideal if he had moved more slowly, but I don't think what Lachlan did was unreasonable. It is possible that Lachlan had previously googled each of these albums, made a list of potential deletion targets, and then nominated them all at once. I don't think it would have been appropriate to do a mass nomination, because each album has to be evaluated on its own merits. Please see WP:NALBUMS for the notability rules for albums. Being sold on a major website, having a music video, or having a passing mention in a book is not sufficient. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Fair point on batching it with notes off line - not likely as I did my homework & saw other key indicators of lazy behavior, but it would seem possible if you didn't look into it like I did.

• I read WP on albums already, ... addressing the music videos - the music videos were by major production companies (equivalent of saying martin scorsese is an uncredible hack) that's why I listed them & the ones that weren't, I put weak keeps only if there something else - anyone without something peridical and notability missing I just left.
• Like I said 3 times, it's a combination of two factors: the lack of time invested in this by them (clearly if my weak googleFu can find national top seller lists for britain where I don't live - someone living there should be able too also) & the spammy behavior of it making tough to stomach looking up all the pages, saving them. Then editing the pages to reflect this one. I can found reasonable and notability - just too much time on something this user should have done themselves.
• I am going to let this die, as you guys are indicating there's not system to protect against this & my only investment was that the band was notable & that was taken care of by another guy I chatted up. You guys answered my question on if there's a way to protect the wikipedia in these cases where no one has time to save it, so thank you. -- IamM1rv (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Using Directory As a Reference

I posted my first wikipedia page and there was concern from a user about my references. Some of his concerns I absolutely understand and am working on correcting now. However, I used referenced two different directories. I did this to show that this particular corperation had specific lisencing. The user said that directories were not adaquete sources but I'm having a hard time finding something on wikipedia that says you cannot use directories and if I cannot, why?

Is it not valid to show that a corperation does in fact hold the lisence it claim to hold by referencing the lisence itself? Mayapalm (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mayapalm: A directory does not tend to write about its contents, so the reference fails one of the tenets of the referencing required. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Many directories are compiled from information supplied by the entries themselves, failing independence. Thus most are primary sources. WP:PRIMARY allows the use, limited use, of such references to support facts that are unlikely to be susceptible to challenge.

Use of such items as references is best when amongst references of excellent calibre. They serve, then, simply to confirm simple facts in the same manner that an org's own web site might provide the same service.

Directories which are compiled independently are much better, but still tend not to be significant coverage. Fiddle Faddle 09:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mayapalm:: Just to expand and elaborate on the above answer, the use of a directory as a source depends on to what end you are using it. The directory can be used to confirm the information on the directory: For example, a yearbook may be, as a directory, used to confirm that a person attended a particular school. However, since a directory does not, itself, contain in depth, substantive information about a person's life story (it merely confirms a small detail about their life), the directory cannot itself establish that it is a good idea to have an article about the person at Wikipedia. In order for someone to merit their own article, we would need copious amount of in-depth writing which tells their life story. If we don't have that, then we have nothing to cite to write a life story about them at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 13:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32:: Its not being used to prove notability. The directory is being used to show that a financial institution is lisenced by a particular organization and the importance of this is backed up by an announcement from the organization stating that these types of financial institutions now must be regulated and an article mentioning the regulation. In this case, it seems a directory is acceptable, but please correct me if I'm wrong.Mayapalm (talk) 06:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding a PDF file or a link to PDF file to an article as a referense

Good day!

I wrote an article about Stormy Atmosphere, a prog-metal band from Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stormy_Atmosphere
The article was declined because the band didn't seem notable to one of the moderators. I was asked to bring a proof of notability, so I did my research and found that in 2009 the band was reviewed by a famous British magazine "Fireworks", which is enough to match a notability criteria, I believe. I contacted the magazine online and asked for a link to the review, they told me that there're no online copies from that year, but after I insisted and begged for it, they sent me a PDF file of the review. It's actually a review of many bands, including world-famous, and Stormy Atmosphere got a respectful cut in the article, because they released their first album that year and it was rated quite high in a web. The problem is that it's a PDF file, and I have no idea how I should add it to the article! I actually tried to upload it as a JPEG, but it was deleted by one of the moderators almost immediately... So that's where I need your help - please advice me on that issue, for this review will legitimate my article.

Thanks a lot in advance, Silverray123 (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Silverray123. One review does not notability make, but, there's no problem with citing it without any link to it. You can't upload it because it's a copyright violation to do so – you don't own the content so have no right to upload it. However, we don't require sources to be online or linked, just published and available to anyone who wants to check it for verifiability. Since this is a published magazine the source is the paper issue which can be obtained in a library, on back issue or otherwise. See WP:SOURCEACCESS. When you do cite it with full attribution, e.g., providing the date, title, author, page number, name of magazine etc., maybe using the template {{cite journal}} between <ref>...</ref> tags, I suggest including in it a piped link to our article on the magazine, like this [[Fireworks (magazine)|Fireworks]]. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Where did my rewrite go?

I rewrote the plot synopsis of the pilot of Masters of Sex and inserted it this morning. When I looked for it tonight, it was gone. Did I do something wrong?Grayline88s (talk) 03:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Grayline88s, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see that you made five edits to Masters of Sex (season 1) recently. These were mostly a rewrite of the Pilot summary, roughly doubling its size. The another editor called Drovethrughosts over-wrote that, undoing your changes, without leaving a comment to explain why. So I suggest you start a discussion thread on the article's Talk page, outlining what change you suggest and why. Ping Drovethrughosts or leave a message on his User Talk page, inviting him to contribute his reasons for reverting the page. Once the two of you and any other interested authors reach a consensus, the change can go ahead.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Grayline88s. I saw from your edit summary that part of your rewrite was to remove spoilers. This has been discussed at great length and the consensus is that we don't do this. Please see Wikipedia:Spoiler. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Objection overruled?

I recently tried to add the name of a performance artist group to the list of performance artists on Wikipedia. This artist is famous in the San Francisco Bay Area art scene. A user has objected saying the artist does not meet the notability requirements and then proceeded to guide me to the requirement guidelines used for the creation of an article. While this group does in fact meet the requirements for an article to be written about them there is no article as of yet. However, notability and Lists as well as Notability and Content do not require that the guidelines be met that are used to justify a Wikipedia article. Am I allowed to add the group "Bad Unkl Sista" to the list of performance artists and what do I do if the editor who objects erases my work again? If you google this group, Bad a Unkl Sista, you will find tons of independent resources that discuss their performances and other live installations. This group regularly performs at the biggest art museums in the SF area and has been around for a long time. Photographs of the group performing at burningman have appeared in a Rolling Stone magazine. However, as I already mentioned, I am not attempting to submit an article about the group I am only attempting to add it to a list. The list does not have any qualifying statements that restrict it to subjects of Wikipedia articles. Missterese, Thank you. (22:00 April, 20 2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missterese (talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 April 2015‎

@Missterese: ... Hi Missterese, wikipedia is a busy place - if you want a response you need to link us the wikipedia link in the discussion so we know how to help you. -- IamM1rv (talk) 15:14, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Missterese: Many lists require that an article already exists before an item can be added to the list. All the entries in List of performance artists are in fact linked to the respective articles, so this is clearly one of the lists that require articles to already exist. The best solution, even though you say you don't want to write a whole article, is for you to start at least a brief stub that just states the bare minimum facts about the group and establishes it's notability by citing just a few good sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Empty (populated place) article

What should be done about this,Kasel? The page includes its district and country and it can be assumed that it is a settlement but I genuinely have no idea what to do about it. Rubbish computer (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer:I revised the header to scope the discussion. There have been a number of attempts to resolve the notion of what makes a populated place or geographical location notable and the question has not been resolved to date (e.g. Wikipedia:Notability (populated places) and Wikipedia:Notability (Geographic locations)). There are a large number of short articles about places and there is little appetite for mass deletion or merger of them ... and attempts in recent years to mass create new location stub sets have been frowned upon ... meaning that the overall population of location articles is at present rising slowly.

In any specific case, as the one you brought up here, my answer would be "improve it"; there are a number of articles in other languages and the sources there can be used here (with recognition of our sourcing policies), despite their being non-English sources. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ceyockey: Thank you. Rubbish computer (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Perhaps you were especially concerned about the version [1] at the time of your post. Fuhghettaboutit examined the page history [2] and reverted to a 2014 pre-vandalism version which at least had a sentence putting the subject in context. That is usually considered sufficient for a settlement. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I should have reviewed the page's history. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I need help getting an article approved

Hi

I have tried to submit an article and it has been rejected becuase it sounds promotional. All I have written in the article are basic things that person has done so I don't know how much more I can edit it to make it sound less promotional. What can I do?Dawsonvj (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Dawsonvj hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Efrem Smith has already been deleted. You have to ask for it to be reinstated as a user draft, which you do by going to WP:REFUND. If you are successful, someone can look at the article and recommend improvments.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is a draft:

Please do not paste your draft material here

Efrem Smith is the President and CEO of World Impact,[1] a Christian missions organization committed to the church-planting movement in the inner city.[2] Besides being the CEO of World impact, Smith is also a motivational speaker and preacher internationally on the subjects of leadership, multi-ethnic issues and development of the Christian community.[3] Efrem Smith is the President and CEO of World Impact,[4] a Christian missions organization committed to aiding the church-planting movement in the inner city.[2] Besides being the CEO of World impact, Smith is also a well-known motivational speaker and preacher internationally on the subjects of leadership, multi-ethnic issues and development of the Christian community.[3] Education Smith graduated from Saint John's University and Luther Theological Seminary.[5] Career Roles Smith has held positions with various church and para church organizations, as well as with community foundations. As far as churches, Smith has served as the founding pastor of The Sanctuary Covenant Church .[6] and is involved in community foundations as he was formerly the President of the Sanctuary Community Development Corporation in Minneapolis, Minnesota and the superintendent of the Pacific Southwest Conference of the Evangelical Covenant Church.[6] Currently, Smith serves as the President and CEO of World Impact as his full-time ministry and is an itinerant speaker for Forge: Kingdom Building Ministries.[7] Speaking Engagements As a motivational speaker with Kingdom Building Ministries, Smith has been a keynote speaker for Together LA,[8] the Urban Youth Worker's Institute Convention,[9] Flavor Fest,[10] Willow Creek Association [11] and Exponential Conferences.[12] Books Some of Smith's books inlcude Raising Up Young Heroes, The Hip-Hop Church, and The Post-Black and Post-White Church. "Raising Up Young Heroes" This book is about changing the lives of youth and empowering them to change their world. Smith gives the reader a holistic view of youth ministry from the physical to spiritual and emotional. Dispersed throughout his book are Smith's experiences with youth ministry and how one can enter into a youth's hip-hop culture to help them know Jesus.[13] "The Hip Hop Church" In this book Smith and Phil Jackson take a look into how the hip hop culture and the church can partner up to reach a generation with the gospel. They offer ideas from their own urban churches and how to converge rap into the church through rap, break dancing and deejays.[14] "Jump" Jump is about what it means to be catalysts of compassion, reconciliation and transformation in the world. Smith gives the reader insight on how they can jump with faith into a deeper relationship with God.[15] "The Post-Black and Post-White Church" Smith in the Post-Black and Post-White Church goes into how to create a multi-ethnic Christian community. He also gives the reader practical advice as well as examples of successful multi-ethnic churches.[16] Personal Smith resides in the Bay area with his wife Donecia and two daughters.[17]World Impact (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, World Impact. This is not the place for a draft, but Dawsonvj, you can copy the above information to User:Dawsonvj/Efrem Smith. Instead of the numbers, you put your sources between <ref> and </ref> and the references will be shown at the end automatically.

Headings ("Career roles", "Books", and "Jump") go between == and ==.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Reloading the user sandbox

I want to edit an article I have posted but need to repair and improve. However, I already have a completed article in my sandbox that has already been saved and posted. how do I get rid of the material in the sandbox and put the existing article needing improvement in my sandbox?50.142.159.190 (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

As you are not currently logged in, I cannot see your sandbox or it's content, but for future references you simply remove all content from the page by editing it and deleting it. You may also want to put the {{User sandbox}} at the top. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 18:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

We don't know your situation since you haven't given a link or username but it's possible your sandbox has become a redirect to an article. If that is the case then see Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects. If you post the username then we can also do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Can anyone help update company page?

Hi all!

I'm new to updating Wikipedia and am becoming quickly aware of the conflict of interest rules. The wikipedia page for our company, Spin Master Ltd. is in need of a bit of an update and overhaul so I'm wondering what would be the best way of getting that updated to reflect our latest products, corporate milestones, and latest news. Even simple edits like adding an updated company logo would be great! Most of the info can be found on our corporate website: www.spinmaster.com

Any support would be much appreciated!

Thanks! Josh Tucker, Spin Master PR Manager JPTucker (talk) 18:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

JPTucker hello and welcome to The Teahouse. The company logo is an easy one. You can upload a low-resolution version and in the company article, it qualifies as fair use.

The rest of the additions are a little more complicated. It is preferred, especially for controversial information, that you supply us with independent reliable sources with a neutral point of view. If your company already has an article, using your company's web site as a source is less of a problem, but there would be more scrutiny of any edits based on that.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, JPTucker. Your company's website can be used for uncontroversial factual data like dates and places; but not for anything the least bit evaluative, or that you company has no particular reason to know reliably (for example any superlative: biggest, oldest, newest). Independent sources are always preferred. But whether the source is independent or not, you are strongly advised to suggest improvements on the talk page (with references) rather than to apply them directly to the article. --ColinFine (talk)

Reliable sources issue

Hi there,

I am creating a page for a public figure - Alastair Lukies CBE - I have been following in the press and I've had my page, which I feel is both notable and unbiased has been rejected. This is the first page I've created but it's so difficult I don't know if I'll be creating any more for a while.

I've cited articles on this individual from Reuters and national newspapers - what constitutes reliable if publicly available media stories aren't relaiable?

Thank you!

Tidswesa (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your problem is that you haven't included any references at all. You have included external links which aren't permitted in the body of the text. To see how to include references, see WP:Referencing for beginners. That is one of the links given in the feedback on your user talk page and on your draft. The words in blue in those messages are wikilinks to pages which you should find helpful. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

First article attempt

Hello everyone! I attempted to submit my first Wikipedia article "Anthony Morgan (Comedian)", which wasn't deemed acceptable. The person in question was a household name in Australia for a period of time and I believe worthy of an article, but I'm inexperienced in creating articles, so the information and references I've provided are inadequate. Any specific feedback or help with editing to make it acceptable would be greatly appreciated. I don't have a great deal of free time at the moment unfortunately.

Thanks :) Eee 78 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Eee 78 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I just looked at the article briefly and don't know that much about accepting and rejecting drafts. For terms like "infamous" and "explosive and confrontational", you would really have to be quoting a reliable source. The article should be neutral. Also, where you have a quote, the source should be immediately after the quote.

While I'm sure this wouldn't affect whether the article gets accepted, since it would be easy enough to do, you should of course [[link]] to any other Wikipedia article that a person might want to look at.

It's not clear from what you have written exactly what makes Mr. Morgan "a household name". It's possible you would have to find sources that are not online which would make it harder for us to see them. On the other hand, all sorts of older information is being made available online, and the idea would be to find those sources.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:06, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Quick link for possible additional source to mine from: Trove search--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

How do I change the TITLE of an article

I was creating a biographical article and didn't capitalize the person's last name. Is there any way to edit the title of an article? Decomplexe (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Somebody just did a redirect from the correct name. Thank you Wikipedia sages! Decomplexe (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem Decomplexe, I fixed it. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 18:56, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hoping someone can help with my draft

Hi there, I've edited and revised my article Draft:PEDS Legwear. I think I took into account the suggestions made by the reviewer. I was hoping someone could have a look and provide me with some feedback before I resubmit.

Thanks so much.

Richandcath (talk) 16:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Richandcath hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I just took a quick look. The article would benefit from some early history, and of course a "History" heading is needed for all of the information about the company's past.

The references should be formatted, and you can find out how at WP:CITE. A simple URL is not enough since that could disappear, and we need as much information as possible in order to find the information if that does happen. A simple way to format references is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions&action=edit&section=7 like this]. You put a left bracket before and a space after the URL and follow that with the title of the source, and then a right bracket. There are also citation templates.

I see a couple of grammar errors and a need for some links, but you have several links already, so you know how that works.

I think this article has a chance. It just needs work.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Very good suggestions. Richandcath (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Misspelled name in biographical article

How does one change a misspelling in the title of a biographical article? The article in question is currently listed as "Tzuriel Rafael." The person in question, however, spells his name "Tsuriel Raphael." {{subst:signed|Zozoulia}} {{time}} (talk) 14:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome! I am having it moved to Tzuriel Refael according to BBC source (BBC). Hope this helps. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 15:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

No, the BBC is incorrect. Google both versions. "Tsuriel Raphael" yields 3,890 unique links but Tzuriel Rafael yields only 399.

He himself spelled it Tsuriel Raphael in an article he wrote for the Los Angeles Times in 1991. See http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-25/local/me-1145_1_settlements-territories-arab-countries

The U.S. State Department spelled it TSURIEL RAPHAEL when he was stationed there. See https://books.google.co.il/books?id=KLAXc2H09qEC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=%22Tsuriel+Raphael%22&source=bl&ots=fvf4PMXNy8&sig=t9iLp_lutJL6M1J5Qwlw3aF0RZg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hB41VavEB8ToaPPKgOgF&ved=0CEMQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=%22Tsuriel%20Raphael%22&f=false

Finally, I have his business card. It's TSURIEL RAPHAEL. {{subst:signed|Zozoulia}} {{time}} (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Page now at Tsuriel Raphael (after a diversion into Wikipedia space). JohnCD (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Articles for creation "Rajeev Jain"

Sir,

I want to start writing articles on film technicians. First name I found Rajeev Jain cinematographer. He has loads of work (paper, articles, interviews. works) But I dont know how to put as refrence. Please help me to create this page.

Regards

Jeff 10:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bhartendunatyaakademi: I think you will enjoy starting by asking for mentoring at WP:CO-OP. It's a great way to start when you need a guide. Fiddle Faddle 11:00, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Bhartendunatyaakademi, you may want to start by reading WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Article existed in Stub status

Hi, I have written an article and would like to post it. I saw another article with the same status already exist, but it is in "stub" status. What does that mean? How can I post my article online if this article already existed? Please advice.

HafizAzizi91 (talk) 09:03, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@HafizAzizi91: When an existing article exists your job is to improve that article. There is no need to create a fresh article. Just make edits that comply with the rules to the existing article. Fiddle Faddle 10:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Watching

Hello good ol' Teahouse. When I watch a user's talk page, their user page is automatically put on my watchlist too. Is this normal? Every case (15 or so times), I don't care about their user page changing and I'm just waiting for a reply. Another thing: is there a specific way to use the Watchlist? I sort of feel like I'm using it wrong. I check it at least once a day and when I do I check out the pages that have changed that I feel like looking at. There is 22 on there but I only see about 15; where's the rest? This may be written poorly... —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @DangerousJXD: I know for a fact that an article page will be automatically added to a watchlist if you add its talk page; I think it's the same for user pages/user talk pages. Also, I've never really heard of a "proper" way to use the watchlist; after all, you aren't required to use it or anything. Personally, I usually add pages to my watchlist if I'm expecting a reply from another user's own talk page or if I'm in the process of editing an article and want to keep a link to it for convenience.

You asked in your question, "There is 22 on there but I only see about 15; where's the rest?" I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but I'm guessing that "22" is the number of pages you added to your watchlist and "15" is the amount that shows up when you open it up. There should be a link at the top that says "View and edit watchlist" (a link to Special:EditWatchlist) that lets you see all of your added pages.

Hope this was helpful, CabbagePotato (talk) 08:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: See Help:Watching pages and Wikipedia:Hide Pages in Watchlist. The latter shows a way to hide watchlist entries for the non-talk page or the talk page but it's a bit cumbersome. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, DangerousJXD, only 15 pages showed up because the others didn't receive any edits (had no activity). You can set your Watchlist for different periods of time. Mine is set for edits from the past 72 hours. You can also purge your Watchlist of edits after you have reviewed the ones you want to examine. You can take a page off of your Watchlist either by editing it, as PrimeHunter mentioned, or if you look at View History at the top of the page? To the right is a little star, if it is white and you click on it, it will turn blue and the page will be added to your Watchlist. To take a page off your Watchlist, click it and it should turn white again.

By the way, ordinarily, every time you edit a page, it is added to your Watchlist. So, if you place an edit on a busy page you don't have a lot of interest in, take a second, click on the blue star and you won't have the activity filling up your Watchlist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Woah. That's the best result I've gotten for any question here ever! Such terrific answers! Thank you all. –DangerousJXD (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Refimprove tag

Hi All, I am in the process of editing a wikipedia page which had very few references and relatively unedited in terms of grammar and phrasing. I have added approx 50+ references thereafter and wanted to know how I can go about removing the Refimprove tag on the top of the page as that does not seem to an issue with the page anymore. The page is Dydrogesterone Nnayak83 (talk) 07:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Nnayak83: Welcome to the Teahouse! Great job with the additions. If you feel like your edits have adequately improved the references (which I agree that they have), you're free to remove the tag yourself. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 07:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @SuperHamster: Thanks for your reply, will go ahead and remove the tag once I'm done with the page editing. Thanks again, Nnayak83 (talk) 07:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Nnayak83: No problem. For reference, if you see a maintenance tag whose issue seems to have been taken care of, you're generally free to remove it. That being said, there are other cases to consider: for example, an editor may have specified what exactly should be improved on the article's talk page. If there's disagreement or the tag was added as a result of a discussion, a consensus should probably be reached before removing it. Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup has more details on this. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 07:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

When you do, be careful to leave an explanatory edit summary, explaining why you have removed it, so that nobody mistakes your edit for vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @SuperHamster: & @ColinFine:, how do I know if the Ref improve was placed as a result of a discussion? the tag has no reference link... Nnayak83 (talk) 09:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Have a look at the article's talk page, Nnayak83 (or search the archives of the talk page if there has been enough discussion to require archiving). --ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

ColinFine, sadly there are no talk comments on the Talk Page, I'll update the talk page and mark in my summary as and when I do remove the Refimrove tag at a later date. Would that be enough? Nnayak83 (talk) 15:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Nnayak83, that would be fine. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks guys, you'll have been very helpful.  Kaos  AD  =Talk= 05:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

"+ or -" signs and numbers on the individual Contribution page meanings?

Brand new here. Got a teahouse invite and was glad that I could ask about the numbers on my contribution page. The ones by the "diff | history" entries. What exactly do they signify? Thanks! Mrjoeyman (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Mrjoeyman, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. The +/- is the number of bytes added or removed from an article overall, which is just the technical term for how much was added or removed from an article. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 18:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mrjoeyman: Expanding a little on the above in case there is doubt, it's the difference in the total size before and after the edit. (+200) could for example be the result of adding 300 characters in one place, removing 100 in another, and rewriting a sentence in a third place without changing its length. See more at Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Handy dandy shortcut at WP:+-.--ukexpat (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Another redirect problem

I created the redirect adenocyst to Adenoid cystic carcinoma but I am not sure if this is a correct redirect, as the wording in the lead is difficult here; the wording may have meant 'Adenocyst carcinoma', which I have based some of the other redirects to this page on. Adenocystoma also redirects to a different page, Cystadenoma and I am now confused. Thank you and ping me with the answer. Rubbish computer (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Did this ever get worked out? -- IamM1rv (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@IamM1rv: No Rubbish computer (talk) 15:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: - I am not willing to make changes, if you're not sure of what you know ... why did you use the words: "...I am not sure if this is a correct redirect, as the wording in the lead is difficult here...? Is the issue you don't know if they belong redirecting to each other or that you don't know how to redirect them correctly with the third page? If it's that you don't know if they should be ... then you need to head over to this page & ask them: Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine — Preceding unsigned comment added by IamM1rv (talk • contribs) 16:33, 21 April 2015‎ (UTC)

Problems with editiong

How does one get rid of this damn annoying orange pointed block while typing?

I ran I to problems my first time being new to this. There was an article someone sent me on KFI radio, knowing I once worked there. Well, it was a very long history but I noticed a few things mission g and had info on the place. Being new, and seeing nothing at the site in the way of a tutorial, I signed on, created an account and after a few Firefox crashes I managed to edit. However, with no warning the article I was commenting on and adding to, suddenly covered up what I was trying to write and also turned blue. I could not see what or where I was writing. It took several tries to finish the task. Haven't a clue what happened or why it did that several times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzbeauxinlovingmemory (talk • contribs)

Are you editing from a mobile device or from a computer? Are you using a browser? which one? Does the orange block say anything or is it just color?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Jazzbeauxinlovingmemory hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I would recommend WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:30, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding to Disambiguation?

Hi I'll try to keep it short. There's a disambiguation page called Protected. When I was searching for the Wikipedia article Wikipedia:Protection policy I got redirected there. There is no link to the protection policies article. Should a link to Wikipedia:Protection policy be added under See Also on the Protected disambituation page?

Sincerely yours

Student342 (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Student342: I'm not sure exactly what the rule is about adding Wikipedia policy pages to disambiguation pages (Wikipedia:Disambiguation doesn't say one way or the other), but it's not an unreasonable edit. I'd check back later to see if anyone removes it -- and whether they cite a Wikipedia policy when they do so. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

What is Teacup

Can anyone answer what this page is all about, and how I can interact with this? Nick2crosby (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You just interacted with it. It's like the 'nerd bar' in some electronics stores, you ask questions and talk to more experienced members. To contribute to another question, just click Join the Discussion. Student342 (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know where you're seeing "Join the Discussion", Student342, but I don't see any such wording. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"Join the Discussion" is made by "Ask a question" feature for the Teahouse project at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It's enabled by default but requires JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)