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January 21

Archimedes' planetarium

Resolved

 – Marvel Hero (talk) 05:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The first reference has errors as Cite uses deprecated parameter |coauthors= (help). Marvel Hero (talk) 04:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed Murph9000 (talk) 04:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia use the concept of archiving?

Dear all,

Is it possible to archive a page instead of deleting it?

Orschiro (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It is possible, but we do not do it. There are however other sites, such as deletionpedia and wikibin (there may be others), who do archive old Wikipedia articles. - Arjayay (talk) 09:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

However, if an article has been deleted, it can be "recovered" by an admin, for editors to improve on, provided it was not a copy-vio. So, to contradict myself, they are archived, but the archives are not publically accessible. - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The replies so far have referred to articles specifically, but we do use archives for talk pages, see Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

If an article is a candidate for deletion, it is physically possible to move it to a draft, or to user space. I don't think this commonly happens, though. Maproom (talk) 09:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Userfication. If you have a specific page in mind then we can say more if you reveal it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses! It solved my question.

Orschiro (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

A new article

Dear Editors! I need some help on my article about a Hungarian photographer. It is made from its Hungarian version. I usually make little editings on the Hungarian Wikipedia, but rarely on the the English. Could you check this article, and tell me what else I should do with it?

User:Bokorember/Zoltan Vancso

This is the source:

hu:Vancsó Zoltán

Thanks! Bokorember (talk) 11:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I've moved it to Draft:Zoltan Vancso. The draft does not have the in-line citations that are required for a biography of a living person. Maybe the Hungarian Wikipedia doesn't require them, but we do, so if it is submitted for review, it will be declined (not deleted). Also, if the subject is Hungarian and in Hungary, where he is known as Vancso Zoltan, why is the Western name order being used? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Dear Robert! Thanks. Unfortunatly I have no written sources of the in-line citations because they were spoken words on opening ceremonies of exhibitions. What does "will be declined" mean in this situation? About the name: Do you suggest we should use the original Hungarian name order on an English wiki pages? Should it be Vancsó Zoltán or Vancso Zoltan? If it is the rule I can rewrite it. And what about the other names in the article? Should I write the Hungarian version all of them in the article? Thank you Bokorember (talk) 09:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Bokorember I've seen the rule about whether to use the accent marks but don't remember. You can do a redirect from one to the other (and do the same for the reversed order) and, if it is determined that what you used is wrong, a move can be done. But a more important problem is your claim of not having a written record of what was said. Where are you getting the exact text? That would be your source. "Will be declined" could very well happen if you don't find a source that can be accessed by others, which means the article will not be accepted at this time, but could be later if it is improved.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Send me the reference model

Hi Wikipedia, Kindly send me the model to do reference for artilce about "Piraisoodan" on link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piraisoodan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganeshperumalm (talk • contribs) 11:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ganeshperumalm:, you may wish to read referencing for beginners. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not maintain a list of approved sources. The primary requirement is that sources must have editorial control, which generally means no blogs or user-generated content; however, there are exceptions. If you have questions about a source's reliability, you can ask at the reliable sources noticeboard. Some WikiProjects keep a list of sources they have found helpful. For example, WikiProject Film's list of resources may help you source a filmography. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

How do I add my company to your reference list ?

Hi,

We have been manufacturing loudspeakers in the UK for over 40 years and are surprised we are not listed with you . I have created an account and would like to know how we can be added to your list ?

Many Thanks

Marie Bailey-Brown on behalf of OHM UK LTD http://www.ohm.co.uk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmuk (talk • contribs) 12:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Marie Bailey-Brown. Wikipedia is not a company listing service, it is an encyclopedia, and contains articles about "notable" topics only. What we mean by "notable" in the case of a company is set out here. In brief, the firm has to have received significant coverage in independent publications. If you consider your company would qualify for an article on these terms, then you may request here that one be created. We discourage company representatives from creating articles about their own firms, as they have a "conflict of interest" and may find it difficult to maintain the required neutrality. With regards: Noyster (talk), 13:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Noyster, Thank you for your reply . When I put 'Loudspeaker Manufactures' into Google search Wikipedia came up so I clicked on it and noticed a list of Manufacturers who we know well but who's history we precede . Our MD is well known and respected in this industry worldwide and so I wondered how he / his brand could be added to this list of manufacturers ? . Kindest Regards Marie BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmuk (talk • contribs) 13:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The list you refer to is a list of manufacturers who have a Wikipedia article about them. (All the names are in blue which is a link to their individual pages). The companies have therefore satisfied the criteria in respect of notability as outlined by Noyster above. Eagleash (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you and yes I realise that and have read the notability requirements of which we satisfy having been active in the development and manufacturing of loudspeakers and having a high number of articals covering our brand and its founder published in all the recognised industry publications over a period of 40 years plus . What I would like to know is how to request an artical ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.41.28 (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

There is a blue-link (the word 'here' just after 'request') in Noyster's earlier response. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC):

There are a few ways to get an article on Wikipedia. Once the article is created, it's trivial to have it added to various lists and such. If a company employee or contractor writes the article, then that person is considered to have a conflict of interest. In such cases, it's best to go through articles for creation, where the prospective Wikipedia article will be validated by volunteers. Requested articles, as was highlighted previously, is another choice. A volunteer will then hopefully create the article for you. Your request will go much faster if you can demonstrate coverage in trade magazines or newspapers. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to answer my question you have all been so very helpful . Kindest Regards Marie BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.41.28 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Nelsonville York High School

You state that Nelsonville York High School is located in Nelsonville , Ohio... It is not located in Nelsonville!! It is located in Buchtel , Ohio.. When Nelsonville High School and Buchtel York Consolidated back in 67 the High School was moved to Buchtel , Ohio,, Where it is located now and has been for a longtime.There are no Schools Located within the Nelsonville City.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.53.49.172 (talk) 12:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The school's website gives the address as "1 Buckeye Dr. Nelsonville, OH 45764", and our article on Buchtel, Ohio states "Buchtel borders the site of the Nelsonville-York City School District campus, but the school property is located within the Nelsonville City limits." Google Maps also shows the school inside the city limits. Rojomoke (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Nelsonville in pink to the right includes a part extending East towards Buchtel. Nelsonville-York High School is in Nelsonville on Buckeye Drive, just West of the border on 12th St. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Discuss on the article talk page, Talk: Nelsonville-York High School. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

how to post page after edits

I have made several edits to the page and had a colleague include his. Also, I've waited two weeks for approval. Now what? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.94.74 (talk) 16:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

This is the only edit from your IP address, so your previous edits were made from a different IP address. As a result, we have no idea what draft you are asking to have reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Google Images question

May I gain permission to use your google images on the Google Images site for a power point presentation to use in an Air Conditioning class at our local community college? Thank you, Bob Humphrey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brossh777 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the question. Google Images has no connection to Wikipedia. Since this is your only edit, we can't infer anything about context. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Brossh777: we might be able to advise better if you post a link to the image you're looking to use. Any of our image pages will contain details of the licensing terms under which that image is made available. _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 21:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Brossh777. Most (but not all) images used in Wikipedia, and all images in Wikimedia Commons, may be freely reused for any purpose as long as they are properly attributed: see reusing Wikipedia content for more information. Whether you actually found the images by Google Images or some other way does not affect this. --ColinFine (talk) 01:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Le Creuset Logo

I am trying to update the Le Creuset logo to the newer one. I uploaded it and got a message that it violated copyright laws. Would you please advise how to to upload this image and not violate copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squigley17 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Greetings. If you are an employee, you may want to ask the company (its legal department? Not sure who is in charge of copyrights there) to donating the logo to Commons. Otherwise, you may want to upload it to Wikipedia as "non-free logo" or "PD-USOnly" - not sure right now which one would apply here, that logo is very simple but might juuust be complex enough.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

A big part of the problem is that you didn't provide any information on the copyright status of the logo. Take a look at some other logos like the ones in the commons category I've linked to see how they are labeled. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons has media related to SVG logos of companies associated with food and drink.

Help with Thoro-Vac Central Vacuum System

Hi there- I'm not sure how to publish an article regarding the above company. I have saved the page and if I'm reading correctly, it has to be reviewed prior to it being published?

Could someone guide me through my first article?

Thanks! Emilyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITlife2016 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

This is your only edit. If you have saved it, were you editing from an IP address? We can't review the draft if we don't know where it is. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Is the page saved on your own computer? You don't seem to have made any other edit to Wikipedia under the current user name. If you were not logged on when you saved the article, then it is difficult for us to find it.
One problem might be that we already have an article Central vacuum cleaner. Does your article add anything that is not advertising? Dbfirs 21:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@ITlife2016: Clicking "filter log" at Special:Contributions/ITlife2016 and then "details" leads to Special:AbuseLog/14404781. Is that the text you mean? It looks like it wasn't saved or has been hidden but I'm not sure why. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@ITlife2016: I can't guess why your article was not saved, but if it had been saved, it probably would have been speedily deleted for not indicating why Thoro-Vac is important enough to have an article in an encyclopedia; most companies are not that important. The subjects of Wikipedia articles must be "notable" in the special sense of having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Has Thoro-Vac received such coverage? —teb728 t c 10:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Citing same book but different pages

Is there a way of citing the same book but different pages, without rewriting the whole source? As in Shadwell which I'm working on, I have multiple references to the Porter book, just with different page numbers. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: The {{rp}} template is the one you are looking for. Add it to the end of a reference with the page number as a parameter. So <ref name="A" />{{rp|30}} --Majora (talk) 22:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Ready?

Does this article seem ready for mainspace? Min al Khadr (talk) 23:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Huh, it is in mainspace. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

But I mean without the under construction template. Min al Khadr (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done Mlpearc (open channel) 00:09, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

January 22

Deletion of page

I created the page "Titchfield High School, Jamaica". Earlier today the page was deleted. I am not totally sure why, but I have the impression that this was because of the inactivity on the account for the past 24 hours. I am an amateur at wikipedia and I am just trying to start a page for my high school before I go off to medical school. Please assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavin Kahn-Chin (talk • contribs) 00:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

It was deleted, supposedly for having "no meaningful, substantive content". However, any secondary school that can be shown to exist officially should be kept (unless it did have no content, of course), and this one is recognized by the Jamaican government.[1] (It should be titled just Titchfield High School, as there appears to only be the one.) Do you want to recreate it, or should I? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I've asked the deleter to undelete the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, @Gavin Kahn-Chin: it was deleted because it was a blank page, there was no content at all. But feel free to start writing! --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gavin Kahn-Chin: I've kicked off your article at Titchfield High School, Jamaica for you with a single sentence and the source that Clarityfiend provided.--Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

easy contact

How can I add your icon W on my task bar for easy contact? 04:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)04:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.196.113 (talk)

What is your browser and operating system? Maybe you can simply use the mouse to drag a url from the browser address bar to your task bar. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Requesting a screenshot

Hello,

Is there a place like WP:IFU where I can ask someone to upload a screenshot? I'd like to add the title screen for the Stu Hart 50th Anniversary Show. I can't find an image of it online but this video has the title screen at 0:12. I believe it can be used under {{Non-free television screenshot}}. 72.74.200.46 (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Watchlist broken?

Resolved

I just tried to add an article to my watchlist and got an error "An error occurred while changing your watchlist settings for "<article>", where <article> stands for the article I tried to add to the list. I then tried it with several other articles, with the same result. This has never happened to me before. Is this a known issue? --Prüm (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Technical issues with something on Wikipedia being broken are usually posted at WP:VPT. I don't see anything there that looks like the issue that you're having, so you might want to post about it there.

This help desk is more for things like "how do I make this table sortable?" or "This image isn't appearing in the place I want it to in an article". That said, many people that frequent this page also view VPT, so you might get an answer here as well. Hope this helps, Dismas|^(talk) 13:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I see there that it is a known issue, several related problems reported there. --Prüm (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

How to upload image

Medplus store

how to upload image in an article which is yet to be accepted for publication. I am getting an alert saying the content already exists in my file. But the article does not display the images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newsomething (talk • contribs) 10:30, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Newsomething: Uploading a file and adding it to a page are separate functions. commons:Special:ListFiles/Newsomething shows four uploadds by you. If you for example want to add File:Medplus store.JPG to a page then you can add this code to the page: [[File:Medplus store.JPG|thumb|Medplus store]]. See more at Help:Files. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about merging

Resolved

Hello, I just have a question about merging. A couple of days ago, the Template:Modern Family and Template:Modern Family episodes were merged and they were tagged that they are "currently being merged". I don't understand if someone is actually making the merge or not. I was thinking that after two days someone should have done it..? I could "copy" one template into another to "make the merge" but I am not quite sure if that's the correct way to do it or if an admin has to do it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. TeamGale ^(talk) 13:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I have boldly merged the templates for you, in the direction of the more general name, which is how I interpret the closure at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_6#Template:Modern_Family_episodes. That is only the first step, however, as there are a large number of per-episode articles which have both templates in them. That is probably something most easily changed by a bot, to replace {{Modern Family episodes}} with {{Modern Family}}, or just remove the episodes template if both are already on the page. Murph9000 (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks User:Murph9000 for your edit. I could merge the two templates I just didn't know by the way they were tagged if anyone could do it. I'll "complete" the steps based on the "How to merge" page/instructions now. As for the templates being on the episodes' pages, is there already a bot that can do what you are saying? Remove the one that is not necessary? Or a new bot has to be created? Thanks again for all your help. TeamGale ^(talk) 16:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@TeamGale: I should be able to do it for you as a WP:ASSISTED edit. I'm taking a look at it now. Murph9000 (talk) 16:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again User:Murph9000. I never worked with bots and these kind of things. Your help is very appreciated. TeamGale ^(talk) 17:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I see it's already removing the double template from the pages. Thanks User:Murph9000 TeamGale ^(talk) 17:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. :-) Murph9000 Bot (talk · contribs) is hard at work, under my close supervision. Murph9000 (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done {{Modern Family episodes}} (including via redirects to it) removed from 158 articles, all of which already had {{Modern Family}}. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Modern Family episodes now lists no main article namespace pages transcluding it. Murph9000 (talk) 18:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Edits do not show up after Saving

Resolved

 – 146.115.148.21 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I made edits to the article on Omni Parker House in Boston, MA, yesterday evening. I made certain to Save my edits.

The original page, however, is still showing. My edits are NOT showing up. Is there a reason for this?

I certainly hope I do not have to redo them all!

I could not find an answer to this question in your FAQs or other help topics.

Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usimodo (talk • contribs) 15:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Usimodo: I see your edits in the page history, and they have not been reverted by anyone. I.e. your edits are in place and showing in the live / current version of the article. Have you tried using your browser's reload function? Are you talking about them not showing up when you view the article on Wikipedia, or are you talking about showing up in Google or some other 3rd party site. We can only directly help with Wikipedia issues here, and have no control over the updating of 3rd party sites which show Wikipedia content. Murph9000 (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Murph: I cannot figure out how to reply correctly, so I am adding my reply here. This whole thing is extremely complicated. I do now see my edits in the article in Wikipedia when I use a different browser. I assume it was a cache issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.148.21 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2016‎ (UTC)

You replied exactly correctly. In a longer discussions you might use one or more colons (":") to indent your reply under the text you're replying to. Rwessel (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Jews for Jesus Wikipedia: Opinionated or Not Opinionated

Jews for Jesus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

An editor named Mr. Swordfish (I assume it was him because of his comment to me) deleted every single post I made on the Jews for Jesus website. Here is what I wrote to him:

Mr. Swordfish, I just read the policies. Are you an official editor for Wikipedia? I understand now that the sources I cited as from a not-yet published media kit are not acceptable. Will they be acceptable when the media kit is published? The media kit is a fact sheet. It is not self-promotion. But you (I assume it was you) deleted everything I posted yesterday. For example, you deleted our Jews for Jesus Statement of Faith. I checked other Wikipedia sites of religious groups and their Statements of Faith are posted. Why did you delete ours? Also, do you see how many statements are on this site from those who oppose Jews for Jesus? It dominates the entire site, which is ridiculous. So I posted letters from people who agree with our beliefs and what we do. Yes, the letters are from our website [but they are not from people from our organization]. Is that why you deleted that entire section? It seems like you are not permitting me to post any references from our website to state our positions. You also deleted our own statements about who we are, what we do, why we do it, our own statements about the controversy over our That Jew Died for You site. I'm sorry, but I have read your policies [on self-promotion and sourcing] and this still seems to me like total censorship. You did not leave up a single thing I posted yesterday. Do you have the authority to do this. Please explain. Thanks.

I would like someone else's input on this.Thank you.Messianicmatt (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(Assuming your assumption is true,) I don't quite see the relevance to Wikipedia of those actions of his on that site. (Are you claiming that they would be evidence of

harassment

him being biased

him being a single-issue editor

?) JumpDiscont (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

JumpDiscont: I think that when Messianicmatt wrote "the Jews for Jesus website", he was referring to the Wikipedia article Jews for Jesus. Maproom (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@Messianicmatt: This is the general help desk for help editing Wikipedia. If you have a question for a specific editor you would need to post on their talk page, or on the article's talk page. According to the edit history of that page, you were reverted because your additions seemed like promotion or advertising. Wikipedia is not here to promote or advertise any company, group, product, or thing. Wikipedia runs on independent reliable sources. We do not care one bit what someone that works for this group wants to say about it. You have a conflict of interest and you should not be editing that page directly anyways. You should be discussing all proposed edits on the article's talk page. As to whether someone has the "authority" to edit a page or revert something the answer is yes. You do not own this page, and this is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Anything put up and be taken down. That is how Wikipedia works. Courtesy ping: @Mr swordfish: --Majora (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, MessianicMatt. Wikipedia articles are (or should) be summaries of what independent reliable sources have said about a subject. It follows that what a subject (whether a person, an organisation, or anything else) says about itself is of little relevance to Wikipedia. That is part of the reason why editors are strongly discouraged from editing any article on a subject which they have a close connection with.

Secondly, every editor has authority to edit (almost) any article, as long as they do so in good faith. Any other editor is entitled to disagree with any edit, in which case they should follow the dispute resolution procedure. (Note: I have not even looked at the particular edits, so I am siding with neither you nor Mr Swordfish. I am answering your points in general). --ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Messianicmatt: You edited the article Jews for Jesus, adding a lot of strongly promotional content, some of it written in the first person, and sourced only to an unpublished "Fact Sheet" produced by the organisation itself. Mr swordfish quite properly removed what you had added. You need to read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Maproom (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Messianicmatt: There are a few things raised by this question.

1. This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. (see top of page) The help desk is not the place to resolve this. You need to follow the dispute resolution policy.
2. It can be a good idea to raise an editing dispute at relevant WikiProjects, to help obtain a wider and balanced view of the content, and hopefully a better basis for consensus.
3. Wikipedia is essentially a meritocracy and run by consensus of volunteers. There are no "official editors", just a huge number of editors (some whom do have some extra privileges based on a history of constructive contributions and clearly being here to build an encyclopaedia). There are also the administrators, arbitration committee, and similar, who are also volunteer editors, who have proven themselves worthy of high levels of responsibility.
4. In general, Wikipedia does not care about things which happen elsewhere (on other websites), only things which happen here (on Wikipedia), unless that thing achieves notability and merits an article being written about it.
5. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, first, last, and always; and there are certain things that Wikipedia is not. Please take a careful look at the list of things that Wikipedia is not, as I believe some of the things you talk about above may be covered there. In particular, publishing letters from people sounds quite the opposite of encyclopaedic content, and quite possibly is a copyright violation (you do not own the copyright to those letters, the authors of them own that). Wikipedia is not a blog, social network, or general purpose web hosting service.
6. I urge you to remain calm and focus on the content, which absolutely must be 100% unbiased / neutral point of view, and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopaedia.
7. At this time, I am absolutely not taking sides, only offering some general advice and pointers.

@Mr swordfish: A ping for you, so you are aware of this discussion. Murph9000 (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Messianicmatt. I am taking sides. The edit was inappropriate in many particulars. I don't mean by that that it was intended by you in bad faith. But it clearly violated many policies and guidelines we follow to maintain a neutral, non-promotional and unbiased encyclopedia; our requirements for citations to reliable, independent sources; the tone expected for encyclopedic writing, and others. The revert by Mr swordfish referenced I believe a highly appropriate section of policy (though it would have been better had it been linked): Wikipedia is not a soapbox, This is all not to mention that it was a copyright violation. I have hidden the edits for that reason.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Can one make a _small_ space?

An article I'm planning on editing has F^-, which is generated by ​ ' ' F < s u p > - < / s u p > ' ' ​ without the spaces. ​ ​ ​ Putting in a space immediately before the ​ < s u p ​ gives ​ F ^- , ​ and putting in a space immediately after the ​ < s u p ​ gives ​ F ^- . ​ ​ ​ (I don't see any difference between those 2 alternatives.) ​ Is there some way to put whitespace between the F and the - without getting as much as the 2 (perhaps-equivalent) alternatives I described? ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ JumpDiscont (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with how those characters are normally used, but have you tried encasing a space in <small></small> tags? Note that consecutive spaces get treated as one, so if you want to have more than one space consecutively, you have to use the &nbsp; tag (see &nbsp), which works because consecutive nbsps get treated as separate spaces. Nyttend (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

@JumpDiscont and Nyttend: You need to use &nbsp; anyway, so that it doesn't break on wrap when it ends up at the end of a line (which is guaranteed to eventually happen to someone viewing it, between different browser window widths and future editing). You may wish to consider Help:Displaying a formula, as LaTeX produces nice clear things just like that, with more reliability than a lot of HTML hacks jammed together to break again in the future, although {{math}} is also a possibility. E.g. $F^{-}$ (TeX) F ^- (HTML math). The HTML math stuff has nowrap automatically set, so you don't need to worry about nbsp for line break purposes. If we knew which article we are talking about, the context might produce other advice or suggestions. Murph9000 (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Or you could use a thin space (which also avoids line wrap) like this F ^-, or this F ^–. Maproom (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, a thin space is the best option since this is on the web. The only other way is to use a CSS style with letter-spacing, though that only works on the H1 and H2 headers. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting; I've never heard of the thin space before. Nyttend (talk) 03:04, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Transcluding a category

Consider this revision of St. Anne's Episcopal School: other than the {{coord missing}} template, the last bit of the code is {{category: Schools in Delaware}}. When adding coords, I saw the category code and figured that it was a mistake, so I replaced it with normal brackets, and the article is now in Category:Schools in Delaware. No problem. But if you look at the "this revision" link, you'll see that the article is in the parent categories of Schools in Delaware, and it's not in that category. There is no Template:Schools in Delaware or Template:Category:Schools in Delaware (or Template:Category: Schools in Delaware, for that matter), so why did we have any categories in the old version, and why were there three, rather than just one? Was it really transcluding the category, and if so, why is this a possibility? Nyttend (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

You can transclude pages from any namespace, so it was just transcluding the category page itself (the editable wiki source of the top half of the category page). Basically any valid namespace name followed by a colon removes the normal transclusion behaviour of assuming Template namespace. Or, to put it another way, it wasn't looking for "Template:Category:...". You can also do things like transclude subpages with {{/subpage}}. Murph9000 (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Cuneiform

I’ve noticed that cuneiform appears properly on my browser only irregularly. I know I’ve installed various cuneiform fonts on several occasions. With the exception of U+122B9, which appears as a black circle, every sign on List of cuneiform signs appears properly. On the other hand, on Lugal all signs (save the one that is not text but an inline image) are seen only as a box with six numbers. The same occurs on Internet Explorer. --75.190.164.194 (talk) 21:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

January 23

SVG image only shows background in detail view, bug?

So the second image in this edit has actually a background, but it does not show up in the article view. Is this a strange feature or maybe a bug? Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 01:21, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Prokaryotes: Yeah, I see the same thing, no background when viewed in that revision of the article, but the background is there if you click the image to view full size, or view it on Commons. The background also disappears if you click on one of the various links to smaller sizes on the Commons page. It might be a good idea to take this to Commons:Help desk, as the issue seems to be a Commons issue rather than WP issue, and the folks over there are presumably much more used to dealing with this type of issue. Murph9000 (talk) 02:13, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

It's not just the background that differs between the version visible in the article and the version on Commons. The former has black text, the latter, white. (Personally, I think the starry background is misleading, and should not be used - the stars shown are fictitious and unrelated to the solar system.) Maproom (talk) 09:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok i was just about to post at commons, but this is a good argument by Maproom. What do you suggest? Options include using transparent background, which is imho bad for reading and no need for that, or use the earlier image. it's based on? prokaryotes (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Two possibilities (1) use Planet_Nine_Orbit_(without_background).svg] (2) modify the current version to have a solid black background. I have no preference between them. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Category already exists

Hi, I wanted to know what can be done about redundant categories. Specifically, Category:Naturalised citizens of Mexico and Category:Naturalized citizens of Mexico. The 'Naturalised' category was created recently and only had one page which I recategorized. I was going to turn it into a redirect, but the help section suggests not to- so I'm assuming the new one needs to be deleted. AuroralColibri (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Either I've missed the help section you're talking about, or you've misunderstood the help section I've read. While the correct way of redirecting CONAPRED is to place #REDIRECT [[National Council to Prevent Discrimination]] as its code, using similar code on categories is bad because of the way they work. However, we have a technical tool to redirect categories: just place {{Category redirect|name of target category}} on the category that you're redirecting. Creating new categories as redirects is sometimes a bad idea, but in a situation like this one where both categories existed for quite a while, obviously both of them are likely places for other people to use. This is a great situation for a category redirect, so I've redirected "naturalised" to "naturalized". Nyttend (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. This is the help section I read BTW. AuroralColibri (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome; you missed the thing I read and I missed the thing you read :-) That's talking about the technical difficulty of using #REDIRECT on categories, and what I'm talking about is one of the category redirect templates mentioned by that page. Nyttend (talk) 03:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

text not left-justified after nested tables

At User:Mandruss/sandbox4 is a problem we are scratching our heads over. The question is why the second section heading is not left-justified as it should be. The problem is somehow caused by the table above. Apologies if we are missing something obvious. Zero^talk 08:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

That's odd. If I had the time and patience to try to understand it, I would do ctrl-U to see the source code, copy the entire source code, adjust its stylesheet includes to pull in the stuff it needs, and then tinker with it. For instance, what are all the dd and dl tags doing? Maproom (talk) 09:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Appear to be related to the indentation. There are four colons and four dl-dd pairs. Then at the end of the page there are four /dd-/dl pairs, apparently undoing the indentation. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

The dl-dd pairs are not remarkable on their own. Colon is the markup for dd (and semicolon for dt), which will open a new dl when required, not for indentation. It just happens that default style for lists does indent, and they can be nested, so we all just routinely abuse description lists as a convenient way to indent on talk pages. The issue appears to be the parser failing to close off the lists at the expected point (first blank line after the tables), apparently getting confused by the nested or complex tables. I've scanned the tables backwards and forwards a couple of times, and can't spot an obvious flaw in their markup. It certainly appears like a parser bug, but I wouldn't entirely rule out some flaw in the table markup triggering it. Murph9000 (talk) 10:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Should be report a bug somewhere? Zero^talk 10:43, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I found a work-around at least. Surrounding the table (in the wiki markup) by <div> ... </div> does it. Zero^talk 10:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

If this is for use outside talk pages, you should really ditch the colons and div, and just add suitable style="margin: whatever;" CSS to the outer table. If it is for conversations within talk pages, you've got your reasonable workaround. Should it be reported? Personally, I wouldn't report it without doing a little more testing, with a simpler table, etc, trying to narrow down just what is triggering the bug, check that it is actually supposed to work (HTML5 considers table inside dd to be valid, but I'd need to do some checking to confirm that it is valid usage for MediaWiki), etc. Murph9000 (talk) 11:05, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Eden Rock, St Barths and Pippa Middleton

please check ref number 3 on this page - the date is wrong I think. ref 62 is all wrong on the Pippa Middleton page too. Thanks 101.182.146.167 (talk) 11:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done You really should fix your own typos... Would point out that tabloid papers aren't generally considered WP:RS. Eagleash (talk) 12:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

How to move an article from general User: to personal userspace?

Dear all,

I have the following article which I would like to move from User: into my personal userspace Orschiro:

Could someone please explain me how to do that?

Thankfully,

Orschiro (talk) 12:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I've moved it to User:Orschiro/Sustainable Consumption Research and Action Initiative. You may want to ask for the redirect to be removed as WP:CSD#U2.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I have deleted the redirect at, User:Sustainable Consumption Research and Action Initiative. -- GB fan 12:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Melise de Winter

Hi, can I start it my articel Melise de Winter? Refrence are her site with character images. same with Kate Bristol website. and voice/over demo reel. in the demo voice reel she mention it which character she voiced and the serie name.--Maxie1hoi (talk) 16:13, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I suggest that you create a draft as described at WP:AFC and submit it for review. Also note that content taken from other websites is almost certainly copyright and cannot be used on Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Maxie1hoi. You can start an article, certainly. But if you want to make sure the article will be accepted, you need to base it on sources indepednent of de Winter: nothing on her site will contribute in any way to establishing that she is notable, so you need to find independent sources and base the draft on those. Wikipedia has hardly any interst in what anybody says about themselves. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Hawaii Five-0 article mistitled Hawaii Five-o

The title of the Hawaii Five-0 article looks like Hawaii-Five-o. Why is the zero uncap-tall instead of cap-tall? Can this be fixed? How does one edit a title? (This question is about the 2010 reboot, not the original Hawaii Five-O.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMargoliash (talk • contribs)

Because per the lead para the new series is "Hawaii Five-Zero" unlike the original which is "Hawaii Five-O" (letter O).--ukexpat (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The third sentence of the article explains this, and it has been discussed on the article's talk page. You should not move it (which is how you change a page title) without establishing a consensus to do so. There is no such thing as a capital zero - Letter case is a property of letters, not of digits. How tall a zero appears is a property of the particular font used, and Wikipedia only has a limited control of the font which users read in. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

do gadgets affect computer speed / performance?

I've looked at the list of available gadgets and most of them seem pretty useful. Is there any downside to checking a bunch of them -- specifically, does the number of gadgets enabled have an effect on the speed/performance of my computer? Thanks. Summertime4 (talk) 17:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

teahouse "ask a question" box appears partially off my screen to the left, so I can't see what I am typing in it.

re: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions

I clicked on "Ask a Question" and a box popped up for me to type in, but about 10-20% of the box was off my computer screen to the left, so I couldn't see what I was typing.

I am using the modern skin and my screen resolution is 1366 x 768.

1) any ideas about what I can do? 2) is there a place to report this sort of graphical problem?

Thanks.Summertime4 (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Summertime4: Technical problems (bugs and such) with the site are normally posted at WP:VPT. Dismas|^(talk) 22:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Sarah Palin

I have read that Sarah Palin was born in Idaho. Someone may want to research her birth state.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.142.241 (talk • contribs)

Have you read the article on her? It says she was born in Sandpoint, Idaho. -- GB fan 19:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about formatting of quotation marks

Is there an easy way to go through an article and change all of the curly quotation marks (these: "curly quotation marks”) to straight quotation marks (these: "straight quotation marks")? I tried and it won't seem to work. I did a copy-and-paste from the article edit space into a Word document. Within Word, I did a "find-and-replace". And when I copied-and-pasted that revised Word document back into the Wikipedia article's edit space, no changes were effected. Any ideas? Thanks. Use of the curly quotation marks is causing problems in how Wikipedia handles the text; whereas use of the straight quotation marks resolves those problems. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: In Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, scroll to 'Editing' tick 'wikEd', reload the page you're editing and wikEd gives you a find and replace feature. -- AxG / ✉ / 10 years of editing 02:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Let me try that. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Nope, that didn't work. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: Actually you just have to click advanced in the edit toolbar. A toolbar should pop up underneath that and at the far right of that toolbar you should see an icon with a magnifying glass and pencil on a piece of paper. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 05:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I didn't want to go through each and every set of quotation marks, one by one. There are dozens upon dozens of them. That will take forever. I wanted to know if there was a quick easy way to do them all in one fell swoop. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: WikEd (see docu) has a "search and replace all" button, that also works for curly quotation marks (just tested). Just select the whole text before you press the function button. GermanJoe (talk) 06:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried that. It didn't work. I just went in and changed them all by hand. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Format to name a page

What is the correct format to name a page for a person with variations of their name, for instance: A. Bob Jones, vs. Adam Bob Jones, vs. A. B. Jones, vs. A. Bob-Jones, vs. A.B.J. The person is an artist and is also referred to by their initials: ABJ ? You help is appreciated. These examples represent close approximation, although the example is fictional.InfoDataMonger (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

In short, the most commonly used, most recognizable, name should be the title of the article. See WP:COMMONNAME. Rwessel (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

January 24

Eden Rock, St Barths

Please check that I am not "doubling up" on refs 3 through to 7 on the above page. thanks101.182.146.167 (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you are doubling-up. Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once tells you what to do. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - I will enlist one of my students to TRY to do it. Cheers 101.182.146.167 (talk) 01:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Please help if you can - we find this difficult - sorry.

Referencing errors on Australia Act 1986

Reference help requested. I've inserted in the infobox the basic legislation information for the Australian and UK versions of the Act, which are formally independent of each other (the circumstances are explained in the article). The two versions need to appear separately in the infobox, but I can't make that work properly. Please help. Thanks, Wikiain (talk) 02:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

You need to remember that the parameters available for Template:Infobox legislation are not the same as those for Template:Infobox UK legislation. - David Biddulph (talk) 02:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you David. They were already in use separately, which I have continued. There doesn't seem to be a Template:Infobox Australian legislation or, so far I can tell thus far, any need for one. Wikiain (talk) 03:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Glen Affric== and ==Eden Rock, St Barths

Please check both of these pages - I have done my best but my students say the pages "could be better"... (re refs.) Thanks 101.182.146.167 (talk) 06:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Your students are right. They probably realise that what should go in the "| publisher =" parameter is the name of the publisher, where relevant, as it says at Template:Cite web#Publisher, not things like "Copyright © 2013 böetic. All rights reserved". Not surprisingly, the date, where there is one, belongs in the "| date =" parameter. Also, they've probably read the advice in the section #Eden Rock, St Barths above, about the same reference being used more than once. Why not let your students correct the problems, under supervision, and show you what they've done? - 81.153.132.129 (talk) 06:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

It is very hard for any of us here to get that correct on both pages referenced above. We would appreciate your expert input so that our Wikipedia pages are "correct" . Thanks