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May 20

Odd message

Not sure if this is the right place to ask - when I logged in just now on the English wiki, I had a notification at the top of the page telling me I'd been sent a new message on the Turkish wikipedia, where I do not have an account, ostensibly last August (though I'm certain it wasn't there last time I logged in). The notification message has now vanished, though the (spurious?) welcome message remains. Not sure if any of that's legit, and I don't really understand it if it is? Any idea what's going on, or who to ask? Thanks! AJN (talk) 00:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

FWIW, a few days ago I received notices about (apparent - I could not read them) welcome messages on three non-English WPs, none of them very recent. Can't seem to find them in the list now, one may have been Persian. I ignored them after a few seconds of puzzlement. I wonder if there's a way to see what user and talk pages exist for an account globally (I really don't want to look at all 291 wikis individually)? Rwessel (talk) 00:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :When you create a Wikipedia account, you automatically create accounts on other (Global) sites. You can see this by clicking on preferences at the top of any page and then on 'global account info.' If at any time you have accessed a page on Turkish Wiki., whilst logged in, this will have been 'logged' and the welcome message automatically generated. Eagleash (talk) 00:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And of course there is a tool: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/userpages/ And there are several additional welcome messages out there in places I've never edited. Rwessel (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not necessary (as far as I can tell) to have actually edited, just to have accessed a page. Eagleash (talk) 00:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Please see this thread for more information on the issue...Jokulhlaup (talk) 09:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for all the explanations. So the basic answer is that cross-wiki notifications, generated by simply browsing while logged in, have been delayed in showing up and are now bouncing into view? AJN (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I think I've come up with a possible better explanation, at least for some of these. It seems that several articles which I've edited have recently been imported into other language wikis, which copies the edit history. So I do, in fact, have edits (of a sort) in some of these other language wikis. Rwessel (talk) 06:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Review Edit Aditi Singh

Hi i have recently created an article for a new debutant actress Aditi Singh, but my page keeps on getting rejected can someone please help as we really want her page to be put up on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuj90 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Anuj90! If you don't mind could you clarify how do you know Aditi Singh? (As in, are you a friend/family/employer/employee/PR agent etc) --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi i am a friend of aditi singh and also run a digital marketing company - Havock Web Designers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuj90 (talk • contribs) 08:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Anuj90: Alright. I will take this discussion to your talk page. A bit occupied right now, so I will reply later. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Anuj90,for your previous question about why the page may be deleted, this is because in Wikipedia we only have articles if the subject is notable. In your case, the subject "Aditi Singh" is an actor. The specific notability guidelines can be found at WP:NACTOR. If she satisfies this, then there may be an article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Anuj90. If she is a "new debutant" actress, it is very likely that she does not yet meet Wikipedia's criteria for Notability: please see WP:UPANDCOMING. The fact that "we really want her page to be put up on Wikipedia" indicates that you are her in order to promote her, rather than to improve Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Communication on talk pages

Hi, hope this is the right place to ask.

I've got a bit lost in all the how to / FAQS / reference pages. I made a change and some someone reverted it. I wanted to discuss it with them on the talk pages, but I'm not sure how to let them know I did it. I posted their name to begin with, before figuring out how to make it a blue link. I'm unsure as to whether that's going to attract their attention or not? Could someone advise? When is it appropriate or not appropriate to notify someone? Should I have written on the user page instead?

The talk page in question is here Talk:The_Amber_Spyglass

Thanks for your help Scribolt (talk) 06:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

You can use Template:Reply to. Or you can also use {{u|Example}} --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

You can also simply use User:Example and it will send a notification. (Please don't forget to sign your post though, otherwise the notification may not be sent). Generally, I prefer to send a notification only the first time. Once a discussion starts, it is usually not used (as most editors add the page to their watchlist). --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Problem with Shashi kumar(Arjun)

Header added —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 11:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Shashi kumar(Arjun) article is getting problem with the content doesn't come right side of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjun skymax (talk • contribs) 11:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

If you are asking about the peculiar formatting in Shashi Kumar (Arjun), it is because a leading space on a line prevents proper formatting, see Help:Wiki markup#Limiting formatting / escaping wiki markup. What is more significant is that there is no evidence that the subject of the article meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, hence the article has been tagged for speedy deletion. I have put some useful links on your user talk page, including WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Note also that the standard of English in the attempted article is not good enough for the English Wikipedia. If you haven't got a good enough command of English, then you would be better off editing a Wikipedia in your own native language. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Interlanguage wikilinks

I have been copyediting some articles that appear to have originated in non-English wikipedias. I often run across terms that I would like to link, but the only available wikilink is a interlanguage one. Should I add these wikilinks using the same criteria used for English links, or is it better to keep these links to a minimum? Leschnei (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

This doesn't answer your question, but I wanted to make sure you're aware of {{ill}}. Just a friendly FYI. Dismas|^(talk) 13:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the FYI; I have used that. It's just that some articles would be full of interlanguage links, and I'm not sure if I should do that. Leschnei (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Using two infobox templates on the same page

How do I use two infobox templates on the same page, without them appearing as separate boxes? For example, a nonprofit museum might use both the {{infobox museum}} and {{infobox organization}} templates. Thanks all. ~ Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 14:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Why would you want two? Just use the more specific one – in your example, infobox museum. Maproom (talk) 17:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I've seen this done many times. Can't think of any article examples off the top of my head but I've seen it used in biography articles where both the Model Infobox and Playboy Playmate template have been used within one infobox. Dismas|^(talk) 18:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Found one! Carmella DeCesare. Dismas|^(talk) 18:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In this case, I can't see why 2 infoboxes is needed. The only time I've seen them used is people who've played 2 sports, or 1 sport and something else e.g. Imran Khan. There's many ways to combine infoboxes, one is to have the first infobox, then ------, then second infobox- this puts a line between the 2 infoboxes. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

{{Infobox museum}} has an embedded parameter but {{Infobox organization}} has no child or moduleparameter so it appears the two infoboxes cannot be combined. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Too much depth template?

This is oddly a question that I've never had to ask in 10 years on Wikipedia. Is there a template for "Too much depth". I'm looking at History of Scouting in the Philippines and having problems getting the author to understand that much of this (like the bios) is too much depth for Wikipedia. I welcome a page on the History of Scouting in the Philippines, but there is enough there for 4 or 5 articles and I'm not sure all of it is suitable. I'm really not trying to frighten this user away and I'd like to see their entire effort off-wikipedia, much of it is wonderful... (I've already asked on WP:SCOUT but haven't gotten a response) Ideas?Naraht (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Naraht: {{Overly detailed}}, perhaps, or {{Very long}}? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Put in both, Overly detailed is probably more appropriate...Naraht (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Bangladesh Green Building Council

Where is the page Bangladesh Green Building Council? It does not have a delete log or justification of why or who deleted it? It had citations from reliable sources in government and media, and was yet deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.6.124 (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

If you click on the red link which you kindly provided, you'll see the entry in the deletion log. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

... and the speedy deletion tagging was explained at User talk:GIZarch#Speedy deletion nomination of Bangladesh Green Building Council. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Article revisions getting reverted

Hello! I'm attempting to make additions to the Fallon Worldwide page, however, my two attempts have been unsuccessful. I would be grateful to anyone that could help me edit the page without it getting reverted.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickmastodon1 (talk • contribs)

It looks like the major issue with your additions is that you aren't doing references in the manner that wikipedia articles are standardized on. References in Wikipedia look sort of like The sky is green.<ref>Lou's book of sky colors p15</ref>. You may want to go to WP:REFERENCES or go on the "Wikipedia Adventure" which can be accessed from links which have been placed on your talk page.Naraht (talk) 21:23, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Nickmastodon1 Additionally, passages like Fallon Worldwide is a Minneapolis-based, full-service global advertising agency founded in 1981 by five visionaries seeking to dispel the perception of the Midwest ad community as a geographically bound rural outpost. The “little experiment out in the prairie” transformed Minneapolis into a nationally respected creative hub, proving that creativity has no geographic boundaries. are unacceptable for an encyclopedia entry. We are not here to promote any brand or organization. You might want to read up on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Dismas|^(talk) 21:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

hey

I have created an article draft. I want someone to review the same before I make a final submission of my draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shehnaz17 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Shehnaz17: So, click on the blue "Submit your draft for review" button. There's nothing saying that it can only be done once. You'll have opportunities to improve it if possible. Dismas|^(talk) 22:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC

If the draft in question is Draft:Doon Consulting Privated Limited, it was declined primarily for tone reasons, because it contains peacock language written from the standpoint of the founder of the company. Please review and revise the wording of the draft and resubmit it. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

In section called Early life, the link on the words " private school " should be "Independant school (United Kingdom)" please fix - we are unable to do so thanks so muchSrbernadette (talk) 23:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Someone already fixed this. And you are able to do that. You'd just rather have us do it. Please see WP:PIPEDLINK. Dismas|^(talk) 00:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry if I annoyed you all. I see now that on my phone the corrected link as mentioned above has not yet taken place. Hence our confusion. In fact, only on my phone, up the top of the article it still says "pending changes". However, on this tablet that from the college, that I am using now, there iis no "pending changes" at the top of the article and the "private school" link goes - correctly - to " independent schools( United Kingdom) ". We do not understand why two different sources work like this. Are you able to explain. Again, please do not think that we are "using" you and too lazy to edit ourselves. We try very hard to get everything right. Please explain why the phone comes up with " pending changes". But this tablet doe not. Thanks again and sorry101.189.0.102 (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

See my answer above in one of the other sections titled "Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge" regarding the cache on your device. That is the first and most likely reason that comes to my mind as to why your phone shows one version and your tablet another.

Additionally, you've been asked before not to title several sections on this help desk with the same title. We now have three sections titled "Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge". I don't understand why you insist on bothering people by doing what you've been asked not to do. Dismas|^(talk) 02:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

May 21

Request for Review

Is there a way to request a review of an article? I have just heavily edited Point Walter and I would like to see it being upgraded from Stub-Class.

Thanks - JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Some WikiProjects maintain pages on assessment and take requests for reassessments. Point Walter is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, and their assessments page is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

3ncryp710n

How to encrypt a wikipedia articles UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 04:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

There is no need to encrypt articles on Wikipedia. Judging by the messages on your talk page, you need to do some reading on what Wikipedia is and what it isn't. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome to download any Wikipedia articles and to encrypt them for your own use, but any encrypted material that is saved in Wikipedia space will be immediately deleted because that is not what Wikipedia is here for. Dbfirs 18:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Paradesi Jews

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Davvidlevi (talk) 04:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello, your edit here seems to have produced the ref errors as it was at that point that the large red letters appeared in the references section. You have removed a 'base' ref (I.e. <ref name=XXX>{{reference}}</ref>) whilst leaving subsequent 'secondary' refs (<ref name=XXX/>) in place with nothing for them to refer to. Fixed by restoring the full reference to the first instance of each ref name. I might also suggest that some reading up on formatting references might help. If you've not seen it already WP:REFB would be a good place to start. Eagleash (talk) 10:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Deleted Article about prominent Chicago Architect / Want to resubmit without involving :UserJohnCD /Need feedback

Dear staff at Wikipedia, Wikipedia users, and Help Desk,

Two years ago my sandbox article I was working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox was deleted. The sandbox was a work in progress for many years.

I was a novice to Wikipedia, and was not aware of the proper deletion review process, nor Wikipedia guidelines, nor rules. Instead of working with me the man that deleted my research and sandbox, decided to do the exact opposite.

I feel a good part of my very legitimate and accurate research was entirely dismissed and deleted by :UserJohnCD .

I realize the second part of my article; which I could see be considered as WP:COATRACK or WP:FRINGEDRAFT by readers. However, that being said that was not a reason to delete the entire article or at least suggestion that I edit it.

The article I was working on, in it entirety, was deleted.

User:Binksternet first flagged my draft by claiming the article was WP:COATRACK, and abandoned. I never abandoned the article.

User:JohnCD stated that it contained material which UserJohnCd objected to referencing WP:FRINGEDRAFT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnCD

User:JohnCd called the author's work and research bogus, and slurs such "crackpot," paranoid", and wild" etc. were used as justification for deleting the entire draft.

While :UserJohnCD had his opinions on the draft such brash words were unnecessary and not professional. I don't see why neither of them assisted and guided a newbie at Wikipedia, instead of taking such totalitarian actions. They could have assisted in order to keep the biography part of article which is all based on facts. I think they should have acted in a kinder manner - instead of being so harsh to a first time user.

The sandbox had been up since 2010, while I continued to do research. :UserJohnCD decided to delete the whole sandbox.

Instead of suggesting I remove the subjects that might be considered by some "conspiracy, WP:FRINGEDRAFT"; USER:JohnCD deleted the whole sandbox stating on his final :talk, "The sandbox work will never yield a notable biography for Wikipedia."

The article in question may have contained material that would be considered "conspiracy" by USER:JohnCD and others.

However, the first part of the article was dedicated to the Church Architect William M Cooley, whom USER:JohnCD called a "purported Architect."

I see no reason why :UserJohnCD , instead of hashing out insults like "crackpot" and "paranoid," did not just work with the author to assist in keeping the vast majority of the article which was the biography of William M Cooley. He could have suggested revising the article to remove anything he deemed as "paranoid" or "crackpot." Perhaps even recommend a place where I could get other more experienced Wikipedia users to assist me.

In other words, why delete the whole article on a whim?

I would like to resubmit and article about Church Architect William M Cooley, without material that might fall under "fringe."

However here it states that I have to do so with :JohnCD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1

"A page with this title has previously been deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below."

I do not feel comfortable contacting the deleting adminstrator :JohnCD, as I feel he was not only biased, but unfair. He has not only called the author's research paranoid, and numerous other derogatory terms. But most importantly, dismissed the actual biography of said Church Architect William M Cooley. He did so just because he did not like the second part of the article, and failed to do his own research - even stating that the architect was a "purported" architect.

For USER:JohnCD to have deleted all the research, including what would be considered "nonfringe" seems to be overkill.

Years of research at the Chicago Museum of History, hundred's of old newspaper articles, ancestry research, old radio clips, and even emails research from law enforcement went into the draft of the biography. Furthermore, my account was deleted as well.

Now six years later I would like to submit a new article about William M Cooley architect, without anything "fringe".

As he was not a "purported" architect as user :JohnCD suggests. He was a real engineer and architect who worked on hundred's of churches in Chicago and around the United States, and no biography exists of him till this day. He was an amazing and important historical figure in Chicago's history.

I question how :UserJohnCD would come to such a totalitarian reason to delete the whole draft article.

The first part contained a biography which was in the process of work after years of research backed by more than enough reliable and factual references. Instead of suggesting any edits the whole article draft/ research was scrapped because according to one man "The sandbox work will never yield a notable biography for Wikipedia."

Fortunately, several people copied my sandbox and put it up around the web ( including a well-known author),

Will I be able to resubmit a revised copy without anything that might violate, or perhaps upset (:UserJohnCd) ?

Will he try to remove the article again? Can I get other people to review the article? Can I get feedback and assistance with my new article from others? Do I have to go about finding someone more knowledgeable with the Wikipedia format to assist? If so - how do I go about this?

In other words, can I work on a revised edition about a prominent architect without the fear of someone like :JohnCD coming and taking it down?

Can I ask for a balance of powers so to speak within the Wikipedia ; so it is not just :UserJohnCd?

While I can understand the part that talks about what happened to second and third generation members of William M Cooley might not meet Wikipedia standards. It was still in draft, and could have been edited out without a need to delete not only the whole article. Feedback would have been appreciated, but instead, author/researcher was called names.

I was not aware of Wikipedia rules, and told the :UserJohnCD that I felt he was slandering the author, and said I considered taking legal action. I never called him any names, and I felt his attitude to a draft, and an author was a bit odd. I now understand I violated Wiki rules when writing my response to him. However, I was not given a "warning" as he stated. No warning, no more talk - :UserJohnCD went even further and deleted my entire account.

There was no need to dismiss the entire article and years of research. Also, the name calling and smear tactics were not professional in my opinion.

I hope now that so much time has passed, I will be able to submit the article about William M Cooley again. It does not seem right to erase a known architect's biography, strictly because :UserJohnCD found fault with the second part of the article.\

I think my research on William M Cooley, and a newly revised biography that meets Wikipedia standards. I believe it WILL yield a notable biography that will be of benefit to Wikipedia- unlike what :UserJohnCD suggests.

In conclusion, I would like to resubmit a biography on William M Cooley, without any considered "Fringe topics." I am hoping to do so without someone coming along and deleting an accurate and legitimate biography, based on years of research, and backed up my hundreds of articles, and a multitude of sources. Has enough time passed? Also, how do I go about getting a fair review of my new revised article?

Thank you in advance and Kindest Regards,

Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Here are radio interviews of Architect William M Cooley whom :UserJohnCd claims to be a "purported" architect. If user JohnCd: is such a self purported "wikisloth" as he prides himself on, how can he not do his own research on an actual architect?

William M Cooley was not a "purported Architect" imagined by the author as "UserJohnCd tries to infer.

Also who exactly is :JohnCD to say that the biography of said Architect will not be a contribution to the Wikipedia database? Absurd abuse of admin powers to state that such a brilliant man's biography is not important, in my opinion.

William Cooley and Martin Marty talk with Studs Terkel on WFMT ; 1965/04/27 https://www.popuparchive.com/collections/938/items/22176

Probably should've just removed this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blue_Shakti/Sandbox William Mack Cooley Sr- Chicago Architect William Mack Cooley, (1925-1966) was a prominent Chicago architect who specialized in church design. William Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views. William Cooley's firm Cooley & Boore A.I.A. designed over 400 churches - mainly in the mid western United States. His churches can be found in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Kentucky, Georgia, and Indiana. Cooley's firm won seventeen national awards for church design. The signature design of Cooley's churches were modern A-Lined churches with floor to ceiling stained glass windows.File:Cooley111.jpg Crosby Willet, William Cooley, Rev. James L. Doom, and Milton Grigg -cut the ribbon officially opening the 26ih National Conference on Church Architecture April 27. 1965 in Chicago Ill. Contents [hide] 1 Brilliant Career and Life Cut Short by Mysterious Car Accident 2 Early Life 3 Education 4 Apprenticeship and Training 5 Cooley and Borre Associates 6 Principle Works 7 Churches desigened by William M Cooley 8 European Tours 9 Professional Memberships and Services 10 Other Affiliations 11 Awards 12 Other Works 13 Involvement with the African American Church Community on Chicago's South Side 14 Other Notes 15 William Cooley Jr. 16 William Cooley's Grandaughter's / Missing Trust Fund / Possible Mk-Ultra Victims 17 References Brilliant Career and Life Cut Short by Mysterious Car Accident[edit] William Mack Cooley was only 41 years old and just beginning his second term as President for the Guild of Religious architects[1] - when his life was cut short by a tragic auto accident. There remains many unanswered questions as to what truly happened to Architect William Mack Cooley the fatal night of his auto accident on July 16, 1966[2]. William Cooley was the sole heir of his father's estate which included 50 percent of the stock of the Allen & Garcia company. Allen and Garcia was the largest coal and mining company in the United States at the time of Harry Cooley's death. Cooley's father, Harry B Cooley was the Vice President of Allen and Garcia.[3] According to the Lake County Inquest on the body of the Architect William M Cooley Sr. there were no witnesses to his accident, no autopsy report, and Cooley was announced "dead on arrival". Two death certificates were issued for Architect William M Cooley Sr. The first death certificate was signed by Pat Orville Clavey. Clavey was a Lake County Sheriff who some years later was sent to Federal Prison for his mob connections[1]. The "temporary" death certificate contains many errors, and edits . On an odd note - the birth date on Cooley's Sr.'s death certificate was not his own - Clavey wrote the birth date of Cooley Sr.'s eldest son, William M Cooley Jr., who was only 15 at the time of his father's death. Despite the fact that Cooley Sr. died alone with no family members or witnesses present, Clavely wrote down the day and month of Cooley Sr.'s son on the 1966 temporary death certificate.[2] Cooley Jr. was the principle heir to Cooley Sr's estate[3] which included one half of the Allen and Garcia shares. Like his father, Cooley Jr would die in 1992 - the same age as his father under odd circumstances as well. The second and final death certificate was issued to Cooley Sr. after a jury inquest was held to investigate the cause of William Cooley's demise. The Lake County Jury Inquest on the body of the architect William M Cooley was held on August 4, 1966 before the Chief Deputy Coroner of Lake County William Wood at the Stirlin Peiper funeral home - almost a month after William Cooley Sr. died. During the inquest nobody from the night Cooley died was available to testify - not even the original coroner , and later felon - Pat Orville Clavey. Chief Deputy Coroner of Lake County William Wood - stated during the jury inquest that it was an "incomplete" investigation. William Mack Cooley's remains are missing to this very day. Early Life[edit] William Mack Cooley was born on February 7, 1925 in Chicago. William Cooley was the son of Flora A Daboll and Harry B. Cooley. Cooley's father Harry B. Cooley, was the Vice President of Chicago's largest mining company Allen and Garcia. Cooley's childhood and teenage years were spent traveling around the world. Cooley spent his childhood years in France, England, Nova Scotia, Trinidad, and South America. In his early teens he lived in the Donbass Region of Siberia and the Soviet Union - while his father was working as an engineer for Allen and Garcia on the [Coal Basin Trust]. Cooley as a teenager was fascinated by Russian churches and culture. Upon returning to the United States, Cooley's family returned to Chicago where he lived with his father and mother at brownstone on North Granville Avenue Education[edit] William Cooley Sr. fervently began to study and pursue his career as a church Architect upon his return to the United States. During High School William Cooley studied at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1941. He later graduated from Senn High School in 1942. Cooley attended Colorado Springs Fine Arts Center on scholarship in 1942. Cooley later studied at the Illinois Institute of Technology from 19430 1944 under Ludwig Mies van der Rohe. Cooley graduated in 1946 from the University of Illinois with a degree in Architectural Engineering in just two years. Apprenticeship and Training[edit] Draftsman - (Jan Ruthenberg) at Colorado Springs, Colorado (1942) Draftsman Engineer - https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/…/ChiEpsilonCivilEng…/chm/metz.htm Chicago Illinois (1946-1947) District Engineer - (George Braun) Woolworth Construction Department Designer - walter H. Sobel - J. Stewart Stein - Chicago (1948- 1949) == Cooley and Borre Associates[edit] After three years of apprenticeship for Chicago Church architects, and at the mere age of 24 William Cooley established his own practice in 1949. He was also admitted to The American Institute of Architects - Chicago Chapter - in that same year. Cooley & Boore A.I.A. and associates was located on 532 Busse Highway in Park Ridge Illinois. Principle Works[edit] 1959 - Mount Morris Christian Church, Grace Evan. United Brethren Church., Dixon Illinois 1960 - Episcopal Church of our Savior = Elmhurst Illinois 1961 - Harvery Federated Church - Harvey Illinois Bethel Lutheran Church - Evergreen Park Illinois Protection Mutual Insurance - Park Ridge Illinois 1962 - Christ Unity Center - Chicago, Illinois Bethlehem Lutheran Church - De Kalb Illinois Moore Business Forms - Park Ridge Illinios 1963 Marion Christian Church - Marion, Iowa Lutheran Church of Incarnation - Stickeny Twrp Illinois 1964 Faith Lutheran Church - Valders Wisconosin St. John Lutheran Church - Lombard, Illinois 1965 First Baptist Church - Park Forest, Illinois First Church of God - Chicago, Illinois Good Shepherd Lutheran Church - Des Plaines, Illinois 1966 St. Lukes Lutheran Church - Waukesha. Wisconsin St. John Lutheran Church - Lombard, Illinois 1965 First Baptist Church - Park Forest, Illinois First Church of God - Chicago, Illinois Good Shepherd Lutheran Church - Des Plaines, Illinois 1966 St. Lukes Lutheran Church - Waukesha. Wisconsin Wisconsin's Lutheran Student Chapel - Madison, Wisconsin 1967 First Christian Church - Bartlesville, Oklahoma Grace Lutheran Church - Aurora ,Illinois J.I. Case Company District Center - Castleton, Indiana Churches desigened by William M Cooley[edit] Blue Island Community Church - 2231 120 Street Blue Island - Annex - William Cooley designed the L shaped structure, Lannon Stone chancel wall, and new tower with spire. Social hall was enlarged to accommodate 400 diners, church parlor, and library on the second floor. Also built by Cooley was a new educational wing, junior chapel,nursery,choir room, and lounge.[4] Good Shepard Lutheran Church - Des Plaines - William Cooley and Associates - [5] Garfield Ridge Presbyterian -56th St. Merrimack Avenue - William Cooley Architect [6] Zion Lutheran Church (School Addition) - Church Road and Grand Avenue - Besville Illinois - William Cooley and Associates [7] Cheney Memorial Chapel - 99 Street and Prospect Avenue - Dedicated to Charles Edward Cheney - Financed through Bishop Cheney Memorial Fund & Christ Church Trust - William Cooley & Associate [8]Grace United Protestant Church - Somonavk & Shabbona Ave - Park Forest - William Cooley architect [9] Third Presbyterian Church - Harrison St. & Hayne Avenue - William Cooley & Associates [10] St. Stephans Lutheran Church - Meadowale, Illinois - William M Cooley [11] Faith Lutheran Church - Melvina & Petterson Ave. William M Cooley[12] Trinity United Church of Christ Markham Illinois - [13] Trinity Baptist Church - 62 Hamlin Avenue Chicago - William M Cooley [14] Northwest Convent - Isabelle St. & Elmhurst Road - William M Cooley & Associates [15] First Congregational Church -- Kanakee, Illinois - [16] Lake Villa Community Methodist Church - 155th Street & Turlington Avenue - Cooley and Boore Associates [17] Harvey Federated Church - 155th Street & Turlington Avenue [18] Peace & Evangelical Reformed Church ( Sanctuary, Educational Wing,Sunday School, Social Building) - 46 avenue & St. Charles Rd. William Cooley [19] [20] North Riverside Community Presbyterian Church - 8th Avenue & 27 Street- North Riverside [21] Westminster Presbyterian Church - 9550 Pratt - William Cooley Architect [22] Christ Methodist Church - Elmhurst - [23] Prospect Heights Community Church [24] North Riverside Community Church - 24 St. and 8th avenue - North Riverside - William Cooley designed the pulpit,communion table, and baptismal front in the sanctuary [25] Wood Dale Community Evangelical - Woodale - William Cooley deigned the 80 thousand dollar education annex with special wing [26] Episcopal Church Our Savior - Elmhurst Illinois - $150,000 Contemporary Styled addition - William Cooley & Associates [27] New Trinity Covenant Church - Crawford Av & 93 Street - William Cooley & Assocaites [28] Grace Evangelical United Brethren - Dixon Illinios - Willaim Cooley [29] Calvary Evangelical United Brethren Church - Villa Park - William Cooley enlarged sanctuary and constructed a modern educational building [30] European Tours[edit] Cooley made two religious study tours of Europe. He visited and studyied both ancient and modern religious structures. In 1961 Cooley was a delegate to an International Conference on Church Architecture in Lucerne,Switzerland. Professional Memberships and Services[edit] Guild for Religious Architecture - Board of Directors - President 1965-1966 American Society For Church Architecture - Board of Directors - 1959- 1963 Corporate Member of Chicago Chapter A.I.A. ( From 1948) N Carn Certified in Illinios, Indianda, Iowa, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Other Affiliations[edit] Barrington Methodist Church, Art Institute of Chicago ( Life Member), Lutheran Society for Music and the Arts,Biltmore Country Club,University of Illinois Alumni Association, Tribe of Illini, Alpha Tau Omega Public Service Building Commissioner, Village of North Barrington Awards[edit] Episcopal Church of our Saviour - Elmhurst Illinios Marion Christian Church - Marion, Iowa Holy Trinity Lutheran Church - Lafayette, Indiana Other Works[edit] Whitaker Guernsey Art Studio - 260 E. Illinios Street 4750 North Clarendon- one of the first modern high rises on the North Side of Chicago Involvement with the African American Church Community on Chicago's South Side[edit] Cooley speaks with Studs Terkle on Radio interview http://www.studsterkel.org/radio.php… Other Notes[edit] William Cooley Sr. was very close friends with the Architect Robert L. Durham FAIA (President of the A.I.A. (1968 - 1969) - The Executive Director of the Chicago Chapter of A.I.A. Marion J Smith Wrote a personal letter to William Cooley to inform him of the "unfortunate tragedy" of William Cooley's car crash.[31] References[edit] ^ The Daily Herald - August 2, 2005 "The Mob in the Burbs" ^ State of Illinois - Coroners Certicate of Death - Temporary Death Certificate for Willam M Cooley Sr. Architect ^ Circuit County of the 19 Judicial Court - Lake County Probate Court - Document Number 66 P417 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune: May, 11 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune: March 30 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 19, 1956 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune :August 17, 1958 ^ Chicago Herald Tribune : October 6, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 9 , 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 1, 1961 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 29, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : July 6, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 4, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : January 17, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 25, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : February 1 , 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : November 23, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : October 26, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 27, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 15, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : February 21, 1957 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : April 28, 1957 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 14, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : Febuary 8, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 11, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : March 2, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : September 25, 1960 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : May 17, 1959 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : December14, 1958 ^ Chicago Daily Tribune : June 19, 1960 ^ Chicago History Muesem Files

Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

See WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:42. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

See also too long, didn't read and WP:WALLOFTEXT. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Injunction

Since the injunction ban is only for those in the England and co. does that mean that as long as someone not from here adds it to those whom i can't name Wikipedia pages, it doesn't need to be deleted since it's not breaking the law? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJBay123 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

For those who are wondering what this is about, I take it it refers to this case. I don't know the answer, DJBay123: you would seem to be correct, but IANAL. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Questions and sorry for repost re William M Cooley Re Ian.Thomson - still need assistance

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

I posted a question about a deleted sandbox article by a :JohnCD earlier on today.

A response was made by ":Ian.thomson"

Probably should've just removed this Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC) See WP:NOTMEMORIAL and WP:42. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Why should he have removed my question? I am quite in shock. I think I asked a valid question.

The article about Church Architect William M Cooley is in no way a Memorial page. I never even knew William M Cooley - architect. This just boggles my mind.

So the article has gone from being called "crazy" , etc by :JohnCd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Deleted_Article_about_prominent_Chicago_Architect_.2F_Want_to_resubmit_without_involving_:UserJohnCD_.2FNeed_feedback

Now my question about re writing the article is being dismissed by :Ian.Thomspn as a "memorial"?

The question included the old article;not the amended one.

And why would :Ian.Thomsonn say he should have just removed my question?

The help desk is here for a reason, and I don't think Mr. :Ian.Thompsn helped very much.

Replying that he should just remove my question - isn't very much help.

Can anyone out there please give me some guidance?

Why would an admin not help and just say " he should have just removed question?"

I would like my new article to be 100 percent up to Wikipedia standards.

Also do I have to worry about admins perhaps not wanting anything about this Architect being published on Wiki - so far it seems like every Wikipedia admin who is alerted to this wants anything about William M Cooley architect deleted.

Furthermore perhaps :Ian.Thomson might want to do a query on "William M Cooley" Architect on Google Books before stating WP:42 as a reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything

Here are the results from Google book query on said architect. Can anyone please assist me with this. Thank you in advance.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=William+M+Cooley+architect

I am open to suggestions, but I do not see how a revised version of an article bio on William M Cooley would not fir Wiki standards.

There were minor members of his company , and fellow architects that are mentioned on Wiki. Why is William M Cooley so objected to thus far? Thank you in advance.

Kind Regards.

Blue shakti711 (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

First, I don't know how you managed to misspell Ian.thomson 4 times in a row, and secondly, WP:NOTMEMORIAL Still stands. Also, the article is filled with crackpot conspiracy theories. Basically a giant nest of those nasty buggers.Clubjustin ^Talkosphere 11:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=william+m+cooley+architect#tbm=bks&q=%22william+m+cooley+%22architect

Blue shakti711 (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

First, I don't know how you managed to misspell Ian.thomson 4 times in a row, and secondly, WP:NOTMEMORIAL Still stands. Also, the article is filled with crackpot conspiracy theories. Basically a giant nest of those nasty buggers.Clubjustin ^Talkosphere 11:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk.

I have answered to :ClubJustin , but my response is not appearing. :ClubJustin I am legally blind without my contact lenses on. Cooley's biography is not "full of nasty buggers"? That is terminology that someone who is only 5 years old would use. What evidence do you have that Cooley's bio will be "full of nasty buggers?"

I am shocked at the lack of any neutral and or positive help. I have only received insults and in my opinion skewed responses. No positive feedback, help, or guidelines.

ClubJustin states it is "A history "full of nasty buggers?"

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=william+m+cooley+architect#tbm=bks&q=%22william+m+cooley+%22architect

So confused at the lack of professionalism by the people who responded, but also at the continued elementary school smear campaigns. What is happening here?

Where are the other admins?

I know Wikipedia has some brilliant and kind minds and hearts out there willing to give some feedback that is not negative or downgrading.

Kind Regards,

Blue shakti711 (talk) 12:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Wut. Clubjustin ^Talkosphere 13:06, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, the "nasty buggers" are the blatant conspiracy theories. Trust funds going missing,mysterious car crashes, it is not encyclopedic in anyway. Also no personal attacks. Clubjustin ^Talkosphere 13:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The "article" starts almost immediately with the fluffy and unsubstantiated "Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views", and soon after segues into conspiracy theories about mysterious car crashes. Do you genuinely not see why this material is being rejected repeatedly? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The "article" starts almost immediately with the fluffy and unsubstantiated "Cooley was a talented architect with an altruistic spirit, ahead of his time in both his architectural designs and socio-political views", and soon after segues into conspiracy theories about mysterious car crashes. Do you genuinely not see why this material is being rejected repeatedly? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:11, 21 May 2

Mike That is the old article. If you take time to read my question, it states I want to rewrite the article so it fits Wikipedia standards without going through :JohnCG. I never even submitted the article. What would lead you to think I have "repeatedly" submitted an old article. I never submitted anything. Never did I even submit an article. I was new to Wikipedia in 2010 and was not aware. Please read my question before assuming things.

Yes I see your point, and it is an old article that needs working on.

However, the tone of the responses here has been very negative.

I'll head else where for help. Blue shakti711 (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

As noted below, I am confused. The only posts by this user are to this Help Desk. I see no evidence that they attempted to edit an article about a William Cooley and had it deleted. Has this poster changed their user name, or is something else peculiar? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce

Please fix ref number 11. It has been like that for ages. Thanks and I do not know how to do it myself. I am sorry 2001:8003:4CB1:3C00:2156:9473:F82A:1031 (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

(needed formatting). Eagleash (talk) 12:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Customized citation (possible WP:OWN violation)

I saw something on a few talk pages that had me raise an eyebrow. On Help talk:IPA for Tunisian Arabic, Talk:Tunisian Arabic and others, someone added a box with a "cutomized citation" that mentions four of the pages' editors with their contact info and some keywords and acknowledgement. The boxes make it look like these pages are scientific articles written by these four contributors. I'm not sure whether it's a violation of WP:OWN, but it definitely seems a bit strange to me. Should these boxes stay where they are? Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 15:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

downloand a book

Hello. Can you help me to download Book which I created from Wiki ages? It starts, but in about 36 percents it stops and tells me this: Rendering failed Generation of the document file has failed. Status: Bundling process died with non zero code: 1 Return to User:Sandipotta/Books/Tuscany Thanks for any hint.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandipotta (talk • contribs) 16:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Requesting an amendment to a page that has been courtesy-blanked?

See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wikicology.

The archived decision in the page history contains a "finding of fact" whose title doesn't accurately reflect its contents. The adding of factual errors was apparently taken as less of a problem than the citing of sources that failed verification, and the actual wording of the decision reflected this, and two of the "principles" cited were specifically tied to the pieces of information that weren't formally included in the title of the finding of fact (as opposed to that one that was included in the title).

I have little confidence in ARCA in general, but since this is a simple clerical concern I was going to post one. Then I thought that an amendment would probably need to be absolutely necessary and not just a clerical concern for the page to be unblanked, amended and then blanked again.

Any idea if this has been done before, or if it's just too much red tape to worry about?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Maybe ask at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wikicology closed? DMacks (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

My edits?

As I am a new user, I had 92 edits in 20 hrs of my account started. I am a WikiGnome. Are my edits good and what can I do to improve them? Constructive criticism is welcomed! SwagBucks101101 (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not crazy about them. In this edit you changed a cited figure just to round it to the nearest full millimeter. If the source says 35.6, why change it? If that's what the source says, that's what should be there. Then in this edit, you edited another figure but didn't say why or where you got the information from. And according to the subject's official page on IAAF.org, neither figure is actually correct. Changing facts and figures seems to me like vandalism more than helping. Dismas|^(talk) 20:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

At Veena Sood, you made an uncited statement about someone's ethnicity or religion. That's a serious WP:BLP problem. DMacks (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

This might or might not be an improvement (isn't the meaning obvious already?). But my concern is that it's definitely not a simple "typo" you are fixing, as you asserted in your edit summary. If you make changes beyond the scope or type of what the ES says, it might be seen as a bad-faith attempt to avoid scrutiny of your edits. DMacks (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, in this edit, you actually broke the italics instead of "fixed the quotes" as you claimed. Dismas|^(talk) 20:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Then with this edit, you claimed that the infant fish can grow up to 15 cm. Not only is that not in the source but what does it even mean? There normally isn't any upper bound on an "infant's" size. Would you also say that a human infant could grow to 8' 11"? Obviously they're not an infant then. Dismas|^(talk) 21:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

On a positive note, it is appreciated that you came and asked - far better to learn how to do it right early.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I have noticed that the majority of your edits have already been reverted. Many were questionable or otherwise unhelpful, for a variety of different reasons. I would suggest you slow down and only make well thought out useful changes. Mb66w (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

References

I have edited a short piece and added two references -- but I do not understand how to get the references into the proper place, under the previous references. Please help!Herbert lewis (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Herbert lewis, I think you're referring to your edits on the Rhodes-Livingstone Institute article. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

For the basics on how to add references, please see WP:REFB. Dismas|^(talk) 22:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Where will I find the answer to my question about placing references?

At the risk of sounding unhelpful. where did you ask it? Eagleash (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Ah, it's the section above without a heading. Sorry! Does this refer to Rhodes-Livingstone? You will need to place your references between the ref tags (<ref></ref>) immediately after the fact you wish to source. You will also need to add a heading thus ==References== and on the next line {{reflist}}. The references will then appear under the heading and numbered. See also WP:REFB Eagleash (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Template anomalies

Hello, some regular monitors of this page might be aware of a long-term disruptive editor of Formula One articles. He has recently created an account and despite being warned, it seems he has copied Template:Team Penske in Formula One (after blanking the page) to Template:Penske Cars. Furthermore he has created a template for British Racing Partnership, which can be found on that page. The view-talk-edit symbols are more or less illegible due to the colours used but if you can click on them it takes you to Template:BRP which is something completely different. However, one of my colleagues at the F1 project says the links work for him. I cannot seem to edit the 'new' template even to suggest it be removed. (Speedied). It is pretty useless anyway and it would be speedied as not notable or at least taken to TfD by the F1 project in normal circs. Grateful for any help you can give. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 21:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

The author of Template:Team Penske in Formula One copy-paste moved it to Template:Penske Cars. That's usually disallowed but it doesn't break our license when it's done by the sole author of the content so I just redirected the former to the latter. The target of V T E links is determined by a name parameter in a navbox. If the links are wrong then identify the real template name in the source of a page using the template, and correct the name parameter in the template. Here it is {{British Racing Partnership}}. name had already been fixed [1] but it can take time before pages using a template are automatically updated to reflect changes. I purged British Racing Partnership to force the update. I haven't evaluated whether the templates are suitable. You are free to nominate them for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks. As it had already been fixed partly explains why I couldn't view it properly and why someone else could. I've been able to edit to remove things not usually included and will discuss how the project wishes to deal with other members. Thanks again. Eagleash (talk) 00:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

PS, I couldn't correct it as clicking on the 'E' symbol took me, at that time, to Template:BRP...relating to the Filipino Navy. It needed the cache/purge tweaks to fix that. Eagleash (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

May 22

Re assistance William M Cooley

I finally received helpful assistance in the chatroom! They read my help question, and answered without any negative overtones, and in a very professional manner. My faith has been resorted in Wikipedia. They also mentioned that my original question was too verbose, and that might have confused some people. I'd like to state that I am starting a new article without anything fringe. The article will strictly focus on the Architect himself, and his work. It will not be written in any way that can be considered a memorial page either. Architect Cooley deserves a page about his work - despite what :JohnCD states. All of the information comes directly from his files at The American Institute of Architects, Chicago History Museum, published books, numerous magazine articles, and hundreds of newspaper articles. There are hundreds of churches around the US that this architect built before he died at the age of 40. That is a lot of work for someone so young.That in itself is notable.

Also, I would like to mention on a final note; even if what someone writes does not resonate with a particular person - there is no need for name calling. The amount of negative words :JohnCD used was over the top. All he had to do was write that it was fringe, and conspiracy, and leave it at that. Words such as paranoid, crackpot, crazy, really were not needed in order to delete the sandbox. Very unprofessional imho. It was just my sandbox where I was collecting information, and learning how to use Wikipedia.I never submitted the article as it was still a work in progress. I now fully understand what Wikioedia will and will not accept. Thanks to all; even to those who were somewhat caustic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue shakti711 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I am confused. The only edits that you have made under this user name are to this article. I can't find the edits that you have made to a Cooley or a sandbox. Did you use a different user name? (I know that sandboxes cannot be used by unregistered editors.) Robert McClenon (talk) 14:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The file was User:Blue Shakti/Sandbox. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Then we have an editor who has been inactive for two years and who then decides to come back and resume being combative. By the way, if you look at the talk page of the deleted sandbox, there is a two-year-old legal threat. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

If you really want your sandbox restored, you can request its undeletion into user space at Requests for Undeletion, but that request might not be granted if it does contain crackpot material. .Robert McClenon (talk) 20:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Changing an image

Hello. I would like to change the box cover image on The Lord of the Rings Online to the current logo (Ther is no updated box art.) for the game. The game has dropped the "Shadows of Angmar" portion of the title in the years since its original release. Is there any way I can do this without violating guidelines on WP:VG or any other applicable Wikipedia guidelines? -- Super3588 (talk) 05:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Documentation at {{Infobox video game}} says: "The ideal image is an English-language cover or, in the case of an arcade game, a promotional flier. Secondarily, use a logo or foreign-language cover. When cover designs differ between regions, use the cover from the region associated with the game's first English language release, though do not change another English-language version that has been uploaded first." – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Trouble with Twinkle and a CfD

I tried using Twinkle to make a CfD for Category:Lists of people by proposed medical condition and got the same error message 2 times that said it couldn't find the target page. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, because Twinkle made a hat note for the article and posted twice on the category creator's user talkpage, but it's not listed under Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 May 22. I never started a CfD before, with Twinkle or other ways. Thanks in advance! —PermStrump(talk) 08:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

@Permstrump: Someone had edited the hidden comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 May 22. I think Twinkle looks for these comments to find its way round the page, so I've restored them. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Thanks! It worked that time. —PermStrump(talk) 11:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate found

Hey I found a duplicate: Disney_Sports_Football is a duplicate of: Disney_Sports_Soccer

First one should be deleted. Greetings, Christian Dreamian (talk) 09:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Dreamian. Whilst either name is valid, Disney Sports Soccer was the (slightly) more encyclopedic article, so I've redirected Disney Sports Football to there. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok thanks Joseph. Shouldn't this be edited as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_GameCube_games The duplicate can be removed now. I'm new here and I don't wanna mess up the page so I just mention it here and leave you guys to it. Dreamian (talk) 10:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Instead of mentioning it here, go to the article's Talk page (for example, Talk:List of Nintendo GameCube games) and mention it there. Topics like this one are the reason we have Talk pages here. (Go to the article, click Talk in the upper-left, and then click Add Topic in the upper-right.) -- Super3588 (talk) 14:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Meaningless edit summaries

Now here's an interesting one. How to we deal with somebody who makes meaningless edit summaries. For some months now an anonymous ip has been adding information to articles relating to British television and adding edit summaries that make no sense. A couple of examples of what I mean can be found in the edit histories of 217.42.148.229 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 109.158.11.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), but there are scores of them knocking about. I have on occasion queried the meaning of these edits with the user concerned, but never receive an answer. Recently I have even took to issuing a couple of user warnings, but the user continues unabashed. They are even happy to edit war whenever the edits have been undone, which a few people have done in recent days. The edits themselves seem like fairly reasonable edits, and if the person added an appropriate edit summary then there wouldn't be an issue. But the whole thing is just quite bizarre (almost like some kind of secret code), as well as being mildly irritating. What is the best way to approach this? This is Paul (talk) 17:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I have occasionally in the past seen complaints about weird or bizarre edit summaries by unregistered editors. My advice is to ignore meaningless or bizarre edit summaries. If they are making constructive edits, let them make constructive edits. If they are making non-constructive edits or reverting constructive edits, the best approach is to try to discuss on the article talk page, and, if that does not work, request semi-protection. Meaningless or weird edit summaries are far less of a problem than insulting or hostile edit summaries, which are a form of personal attack. Occasionally insulting or obscene edit summaries are redacted, but I see no reason to have stupid edit summaries redacted. The use of edit summaries is only encouraged and not required anyway, so that the real question with stupid or weird edit summaries is the edits themselves. If the edits are all right, let them be. If you disagree with the edits, try to discuss. If discussion with unregistered editors fails, semi-protection is often in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough, I think I'm just a bit perplexed by it all. This is Paul (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

What we have is a human behind the IP addresses who is trying to perplex us, so just ignore them unless their edits are problematical. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Why are these two charts acting differently? One results in bold text, while the other does not.

Please take a look at these two charts, located here: User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page79. Why are these two charts acting differently? Specifically, I am referring to the final row at the bottom of each chart. In Chart Number 1, the entries in that final row are all bold text. In Chart Number 2, they are not. What exactly is causing this difference? Or, namely, why are the entries in Chart Number 1 bold text (in the last row at the bottom), when I did not include any commands to bold them? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

! vs |

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:52, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes. See more at Help:Table#Basic table markup summary. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I read that page. Wikipedia "tutorials" are notoriously difficult to understand. What exactly does the "|" symbol do? And what exactly does the "!" symbol do? And how are they different exactly? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

this:

{|
|+caption
!header
|-
|data
|-
|}

becomes this

<table>
<caption>caption</caption>
  <tr>
    <th>header</th>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>data</td>
  </tr>
</table>

the ! is shorthand for the <th>...</th> html tag pair and | is shorthand for the <td>...</td> html tag pair.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Notifications, and ping-template when manually archiving a talk page

Hi. I use template:ping a lot on my talk page. If I manually archive my talk page, is there any danger of re-notifying a bunch of editors? Are /Archive pages prevented from sending notifications? I figure this is probably common enough that it's accounted for, but I couldn't find a answer. I know I could set up a bot for this, but I prefer manual archives for my own talk page. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

@Grayfell: Notifications only trigger when a signature is added to accompany the ping template. So as long as you don't resign your archive as you are archiving them you do not run the risk of repinging anyone. --Majora (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Ah, so that's how it works! That's clever. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 00:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Where to report non-free images?

On my watchlist, a user added non-free images to Shawn Mendes. When I looked at the files, one photo was directly taken from a magazine website, which I am certain is not free for usage. Another one had no indication where it came from, but a user by the name of Love shawn uploaded it and claimed it as their own, which I am also certain it isn't. Can someone indicate me where I should report this or, even better, would help me with this? Thanks, Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 21:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The image (File:Shawn Mendes2016.jpg) has already been nominated for deletion on Wikimedia Commons where it was uploaded. Nominating copyvio images for deletion is the correct course of action, because simply removing them from the article still leaves the images hosted. Some uses of non-free images are acceptable, so calling these images copyright violations is more appropriate in this case. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I was trying to nominate it for deletion through Wikipedia, but I forgot there was Commons and so on. Even then, I wouldn't know how to do it anyways. Again, thank you. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 21:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Hide one user's edits from watchlist

Is it possible to hide all edits by a specific user from your watchlist? I know it's possible to hide your own/bots/minor/etc, but I want something like a blacklist that I can type in users' names and no longer see their edits. There is one editor that has been making small edits to the category structure of many items on my watchlist for quite some time, and he is filling up my watchlist with what to me are trivial and unimportant edits. This makes it more likely for me to miss actual relevant edits among the mass of these trivial ones. He does mark all his edits a minor, but I would rather not have to hide all minor edits because some I find relevant.. just not the ones from him. Anyone know of such a tool? Thanks!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Difficulty patrolling back-of-queue for NPP

When I try to click review, I can't get the software to recognize that I had visited the page. It did not allow me to mark the page as patrolled. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 22:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

May 23

John Thurso

Pleass help - ref number 1 is all wrong. I don't understand. Please fix if you are able. I need to include the same ref. as ref number 15 - in the photo box (picture of the tartan) - but it is not working. Please help Thanks so muchSrbernadette (talk) 01:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I hope my edits have fixed the issue? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 03:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I, Daniel Blake is being vandalized right at this moment

I don't know how else to sound the alarm. --71.183.137.40 (talk) 01:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Edits to original article on Maharajbag Zoo, Nagpur, India

I noticed some very old and outdated facts, making up what would presently be a rather distorted, one-sided report, which I am trying to update. As first step, I have carried out some deletes.

Dr. Raviprakash G Dani Vice-Chancellor, Dr. PDKV Ag University, Akola, Maharashtra India (The said Zoo is a part of the PDKV Ag. College, Nagpur). — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaviGDani (talk • contribs) 04:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key

Hello, anybody here to fix the Picturesque Europe page? Lotje (talk) 04:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Done --David Biddulph (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Re assistance William M Cooley

Hi :Robert McClenon, I did not want to even come back to this page after all the negative responses, but I did. Your question was valid and not negative. Just to clarify I am not requesting for the Sandbox to be restored as I realized it did not fit Wiki standards. I will most likely ask for assistance from an editor, and remove anything that contains any "fringe", and write an article that focuses strictly on the Architect William M Cooley and his work. As per the user stating that there is a 2-year-old legal threat - that is absurd. I did not know Wikipedia guidelines when I wrote that. I was in shock at being called so many names by :JohnCD. I think my reaction was one of human nature. It was just a sanbox and had been there for quite sometime. It was when people, and authours started copying and pasting on the internet that :JohnCD and the user who worked at Bohemian Grove Club were alerted and took it down 4 years later. I have since done my research, reading and watching videos of the founder of Wikipedia, and his philosophy. I fully understand that was a big no-no in "Wikiworld." There does NOT exist two-year legal threat. Whoever wrote that is just stirring the pot. I have read the rules and now fully understand them. I just want to write an article that fits Wiki standards. That is all. No more , no less. Kindest Regards Blue shakti711 (talk) 05:18, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, what article did you edit? Did you use a different account to post it? If yes, then please tell us the other account so that I can look at the article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

That would be Blue Shakti. The legal threat was placed by an IP, 50.0.172.159, which the Shakti admits above to have been himself. --Orange Mike | Talk 06:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Orangemike. I just saw similar threads above by the same editor. I had a look at the article as well and unfortunately I don't think it should be restored, as it would be misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. (See this). I am doubtful if the article subject is notable enough as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

@Blue shakti711 It would be best if you don't make any more legal threats from now on. I understand that it happened 2 years ago and you edited using an IP. Going forward, please use only stick to this account. If you want to create an article, please read our policies on verifiability and NPOV first and decide if the article subject is notable. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref Henry Phillips

references tag missing

Henry Phillips (horticulturalist)

Ann Laver — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annlaver (talk • contribs) 08:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Annlaver
I can't see any problems at Henry Phillips (horticulturist) in neither the current version, nor the version before it was edited yesterday - what do you think is wrong? - Arjayay (talk) 09:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Help with logging in to existing account - wont let me advised to use different URL - what does that mean

Trying to get back into an article for a client, Log In using https://en.wikipedia.org? which has been rejected in order to edit and change where necessary - and have tried to log in using the account name and passcode they have given me but its not letting me - says incorrect password but its not. The job needs to be done and client uncontactable at present - apparently I can get in possibly using a different URL. What does that mean? Can anybody help please. Currently usinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page213.123.197.88 (talk) 10:27, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

What is your account name? And, please, read Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest. Ruslik_Zero 10:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Let me see if I understand this. You have been hired by someone to edit an article. They had a username and password and gave you the information to log in and work on the article. The system is not letting you log in. can you tell us what article you have been hired to edit and the username that the client has given you to use? -- GB fan 10:37, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

However, if GB fan's summary is correct, then you and your client are in danger of breaking several of Wikipedia's rules. Paid editing is discouraged, and if you do it, you must declare the fact as specified in that link. Accounts may not be shared: you need to create a personal one, separate from your client's account. If we have an article about your client, it does not belong to your client, and neither they nor you have any control over its content. Either of you are welcome to make suggestions for improving the article, on the article's talk page (preferably with citations to reliably published sources), but you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly. --ColinFine (talk) 14:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thanks in advance for your help.

I have a small issue on the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_carnaille

I would like that the name "Quentin Carnaille" appear with a capital "C". How can I do ?

Thank you.

Antoine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntoineMunch (talk • contribs) 14:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Wiki page for my friend

Hi, My friend is an important person and many newspapers have covered his story. I want to create a page for you. Can you please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravighy (talk • contribs) 15:06, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Electronic Data Systems

Reference help requested. Hello - I received an error message indicating I made a citation error, but I never edited that entry...so I don't know what's up. I edited a listing of sci-fi cons to add one entry. Can anyone explain why I got this error, and eliminate it? Thanks, 96.39.52.226 (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)