User talk:Doncram

(e) as of Dec2010 as of Dec2014

The Gauntlet of Peace Prize

The Gauntlet of Peace Prize

Very amusing, thanks! That was from editor Carptrash. --doncram 16:09, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

law firms in Africa

Hi Doncram, just wondering if you have seen this: User:Purple Duke/sandbox2. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!, Ottawahitech, for calling that to my attention. In this version now, it has not been edited by South African editor User:Purple Duke since 2012 besides by your addition just now, and it appears to be mainspace-ready or nearly so. To go to ALN (law firm) or ALN (South African law firm network) or the like (and to be mentioned at ALN (disambiguation). This relates to List of law firms in Africa (now inappropriately a redirect to a U.S.-only list, and there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of law firms and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of law firms (2nd nomination) in 2006, which reached perhaps-okay-then-but-fundamentally-wrong delete decision) and List of law firms in Uganda (and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive840#Promoting_Ugandan_law firms and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of law firms in Uganda which deleted it) and individual-firm AFDs a couple years ago that you and I participated in. It's good to get back to this area, it was and is very under-developed. When I get a chance I will look into checking and perhaps updating this article and more, and/or please go ahead further yourself.

Hmm, to ensure credit is given where due, in getting the article into mainspace, should the sandbox itself be moved to mainspace? I think so, so that the creation and development in edit history is retained, but maybe administrative tool use is required to handle this right (to include just the relevant part of sandbox's edit history). I see the author previously used the sandbox to develop another article that they copy-pasted into mainspace and then blanked and reused it. Presumably they would have copy-pasted this too, when ready, to mainspace , and by their doing so would get the creation "credit" properly then. Hmm, I see the author did edit a South African law firm's page on one day in 2016, and in December 2015 was editing at Big Five (law firms) in South Africa. Perhaps we/I should try contacting them by email to see if they would make the move to mainspace, first, as that would require no technical adjustments and would be good in other ways.

How on earth did you find this? :) I am glad you keep doing good work like this, thanks again for bringing me back. Cheers, --doncram 16:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I found it when i created the category to which it was already pre-added, amazing isn't it? More later... Ottawahitech (talk) 14:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Re your comment: to ensure credit is given where due (sorry for going off on a tangent):

A couple of days ago I discovered a dusty article about Halogen Software to which I added a few categories and since its talkpage was a redlink, went in to put some WikiProject banners on. To my surprise I saw that the talk page had been deleted as an orphaned talk page on 22 December 2007 which suggests that an earlier version of the article existed and was deleted on or before this date. The current article was created on 2 February 2016, so there must be at least one other version in the wiki-trash can. I can’t help but wonder if there is useful information that we are not seeing, let alone credit not given… Ottawahitech (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

FYI Found some more debris and posted about it on User_talk:Fayenatic_london#Category_:Indian_women_architects. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me

FYI More on to ensure credit is given where due at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women#recreating deleted articles Ottawahitech (talk) 21:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me

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Crazy Horse, Stockholm

I'm not convinced that this is notable, but being the previous tenant of a place now rented by a local restaurant in the Vapiano chain doesn't really make it relevant as a redirect to Vapiano, as it wouldn't be mentioned there. It could possibly be redirected to Anna Sjödin, where it is mentioned. --Hegvald (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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For appreciating my remarks at Bound Together Bookstore Collective, thus moving radical politics forward by allowing humor as a part of it. after all, "if i can't laugh, i dont want to be a part of your revolution"-not attributed to H.L. Mencken.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 21:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, i like kale! Methinks you take credit for "makes us tools of the state look like slackers"? Yes, that is great, i obviously definitely appreciated it, though i had no idea you were the pundit. FYI, i was on a binge creating several entries for new Category:Anarchist bookstores, my little way of responding to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Emma's Bookstore Coffeehouse. :) --doncram 01:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Western false front architecture

Cite error.Xx236 (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas, Doncram! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 23:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Resolved by an editor removing the Speedy Deletion tag, after I contested the suggestion at Talk:Clinton Historical Society (Clinton, New York) and I added some material to the article. --doncram 20:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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Your draft article, User:Doncram/Carnegie Center for Literacy and Learning

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Before I got this notice, the draft-space article was deleted 21 minutes later, at 17:14. Frankly that was rather too abruptly done, when it is just a matter of a dormant draft article. If I recall correctly, it is about a former Carnegie library in which IMO makes it marginally notable, which has further been repurposed into a literacy center / community center which also IMO makes it marginally notable, although it is not listed on any historic register. However, I also recall that I had not found much about it online, and the draft article wasn't particularly good yet, despite the fact it has some potential as a valid Wikipedia topic. Requesting, by this ping to User:Sphilbrick, could it be restored, please, to my userspace (with edit history intact), at User:Doncram/Carnegie Center for Literacy and Learning? I might (or might not) get around to developing it further, perhaps not as a separate article but incorporating it in a list-article of literacy centers which seemed to be needed (related to some AFD(s) about a different literacy center or two). --doncram 20:51, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

It would reasonable to have, corresponding to Category:Organizations promoting literacy, a List of organizations promoting literacy, which could include mention of this one, including mention that it is hosted in a former Carnegie library. --doncram 21:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Mexico merges/Feryeah13

Your comment and a look at contributions helped me to find that there are more redundant articles, most of which appear to be very poor translations from eswiki, such as Ahualulco Del Sonido 13, San Luis Potosi to Ahualulco. Some have been redirected. Others that were new to enwiki remain but in horrendous condition. This UAEH one was among the better articles. Raymie (t • c) 06:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

TNT

You have now made this comment twice here and here. This is a FRINGE position and if you really believe it you should take me to ANI for my nomination here and followup here. In fact I urge you to do that. Jytdog (talk) 22:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Great, you want to have a knock-down drag-out fight. Seems consistent with calls for wp:TNT being wp:disruption. Of course wp:TNT is an essay, not a guideline or policy. I suppose it would be good to counter it with another essay, perhaps wp:BlowUpTNT or wp:TNTTNT? :) --doncram 22:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, thank you for the inspiration. Created that essay, up to this version as of now. Funny that two calls for TNT and my response within Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pressure point should be invoked; that AFD was closed "Keep". --doncram 01:51, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

No, I don't want to have a big fight but you are accusing me of being disruptive and calling for drastic action on the basis of my !vote, which basically sucks. The fact that an AfD went your way is not excuse for that kind of behavior toward other editors. I recommend you knock it off. Jytdog (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I am sorry that you got the impression that my comment was directed at you. In one of the two articles, i.e. at the Nyala Rinpoche article, you did not invoke TNT, so my little tirade there was not about you at all. I also have not been following you and I have no idea if you use the TNT argument elsewhere. FYI, i have made approximately the same little speech in a bunch of AFDs, maybe a dozen or more. It's not just my thinking; I have seen it expressed more strongly by others. However, given your reaction I will worry if my statements are too strong and will consider if I should indeed "knock it off". I don't want to make Wikipedia a lousy experience for anyone. On the other hand, I happen to think that AFDs in general / usually / often are lousy experiences for the contributors whose work is being nominated for deletion, and I think it is important to stop the madness. Maybe the distinction I need to make is to be sure to call the act of citing TNT bad, or call the TNT reasoning fallacious, or otherwise be clear that I am not attacking a person who invoked the TNT argument (which does exist as an argument that everyone has seen used). I will pay attention to this. Thank you for the feedback. --doncram 02:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Chief Actuary

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Your draft article, Draft:Graduate Students Association

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Your draft article, Draft:List of charitable nonprofits in the United States

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Your draft article, Draft:List of female fashion photographers

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Your draft article, Draft:List of women artists

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Your draft article, Draft:The Middletown Press

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FYI, rather than delete this draft article I decided to adopt it. It is now at User:Grondemar/Drafts/The Middletown Press. –Grondemar 06:02, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

It was developed some by Grondemar I think, and I moved it to mainspace The Middletown Press and they agreed that was okay. --doncram 19:31, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Hacienda San Francisco

There's some "crap" at the bottom of the article. I'm not sure what template you were trying to do, so I didn't fix it. Also, there is a CS1 error in one of the refs. Not sure if you can see it. Add to your .css file:

/* Show all CS1 errors */
.citation-comment 
{ display: inline !important; }

Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Dashes between person names in house names

Re this edit, I remain uncertain on how to handle this common redlink situation. I agree with your point, that it's more likely that a new article will be named with hyphens between names, since most editors aren't really very aware of dashes and such. On the other hand, it seems wrong to leave that malstyled version visible, especially alongside the dash-fixed ones. I've got the same problem in some other such lists. Unclear how to proceed; wouldn't it be nice to have an advance directive for redirects or moves or something? Dicklyon (talk) 04:39, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I suspect it comes up almost exclusively with respect to places listed on the National Register, for those like you who want to proceed with replacing hyphens by dashes. The problem is you can't create a redirect from the hyphenated version to the dashed title, because a bot will delete the redirect. I wonder if there is any way the bot could be stopped, or if the relevant policy (that redirects to redlinks are not allowed) could be changed. But that would be quite the longshot.

One alternative is just to create the article at the hyphenated name and then move it, which I think is good because that creates the redlink and ensures all current and future intended links will work. However some editors at WikiProject NRHP will likely hate that, and it is possible some will hate you personally, and enough so to harass you and create hate/attack pages and open spurious ANI proceedings and so on, for years and years and years. :)

A less-good alternative would be for you to click on the hyphenated name, and then "what links here", to find all current inbound links, and go change those. Changing those is presumably something you want to do. But that doesn't stop people from creating the article at the hyphenated name and there being a disconnect, and for a possible duplicative article being created at the dashed title.

Another approach, applied since 2010 by me, at wt:List of RHPs in OR, specifically at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Oregon#NRHPs with ndash in title, is to create a worklist of all the pairs of two title versions, and monitor that, if/when one turns blue then make the move or create the necessary redirect. If you wanted to go with the worklist approach I would support that and take on the monitoring for years and years. --doncram 05:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

That last looks like a clever approach. And you create that from what? Names you find in existing lists? Just ones you've changed to en dashes? Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Here are the other redlink ones I've messed with recently:

[moved to central monitoring page -- doncram]

If you're volunteering to put these on your list and watch them, that's great, and I'll add to it if I do more. If not, I can make such a page to watch myself. These are from all different states, from disambig pages like Jackson House. Dicklyon (talk) 06:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

(ec) I don't think I have ever created a title using dashes, by moving or otherwise. I don't have an opinion about dashes vs. hyphens; my only wish is to maintain the elaborate system of disambiguation pages, NRHP list-articles, and related list-articles like List of Elks buildings and List of Presbyterian churches in the United States, which gets messed up if any "outsider" starts changing redlink topic names. :)

To answer directly: From "names in existing lists", I guess, starting with ones where I noticed the lists of NRHP places being edited by someone to use the en dashes. Then I looked further to other NRHP place lists in the area where I could find hyphenated titles which they would likely become an issue. And I may have found more on related disambiguation pages, which are lists of sorts, too. The goal is to list article pairings where a MOS enthusiast either has already changed, or is likely to change, one of the redlinks. If these are listed and monitored, we can fix the damage done, in effect. Honestly, it causes work and it doesn't help any readers, if redlinks are changed to use dashes rather than hyphens, IMO. It does help if you create the articles, and make the redirect from hyphen to dash forms. But you or some other enthusiast aren't completely wrong and cannot be stopped from changing redlinks without making articles as far as I know, so I figure the best thing is if you make the work lighter by contributing to a common monitoring list whenever you do make such a change.

Okay, I have gone and set up a monitoring page at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Hyphens vs. dashes issues. And announced this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#hyphen vs. dash issue monitoring. --doncram 07:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Postal templates

I have commented on the deletion of {{List of United States Post Offices}} but apropos of the {{Postage stamps of the United States}} template I have done a lot of work slowly reorganising it in a personal sandbox and would appreciate your comments. If it is worth keeping I think something like this structure is what is needed and a useful replacement for the current mess. Related items are grouped together in a sensible way that stamp collectors or postal historians think though it still needs some work but I'm not going any further just yet. In this instance there no single list or category that contains them all. ww2censor (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Dedicated content people do their thing in solitude?

Hi Doncram, As one of the best content creators around, I wonder if you have the time to comment on the subject dedicated content people do their thing in solitude? I would be curious to find your take on it. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)please ping me

When an IMDB link appears

...only as an External link, and not in any way tied explicitly to the content of an article, in particular, a BLP article that is otherwise completely devoid of sources, the appropriate tag is not the IMDB tag, but rather the BLP unreferenced tag. Tags are to be as specific as possible, and External links, per WP:VERIFY, are not citations or references. Moreover, (i) the BLP ureferenced tag posts articles devoid of citations in places where they might get the attention they need to have the WP:VERIFY violation dealt with, and (ii) it presents, within the tag, links to tools that can help follow-on editors find sources for the unsourced article material. That is, the unreferenced tag is both more accurate and appropriate, but it is also more helpful to editors coming to the article. Cheers, Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 05:38, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Raburn-Casteel House

Not sure what you meant with: It has a [[single-pen rear ell attached to the original house. Bgwhite (talk) 08:35, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for inquiring. An "ell" is an addition that makes the building L-shaped. A single pen is a log cabin unit: a rectangle of four log walls. I revised it to to be less jargon-y: "a single pen addition attached to the rear of the original house". --doncram 14:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Friendship Baptist Church (Washington, D.C.)

Since you started the article, let me ask you something. This is what the church building looks like now. It's an event space called Blind Whino Arts Club. Do you think I should swap my old 2008 photo for the new one, and if so, is the mural considered artwork that needs to have a fair use license? I'm not sure about this one. The description in these photos say it was commissioned. APK whisper in my ear 06:01, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, glad you're improving that. Funny name of current enterprise. About murals, I rather think the artist/owner is putting it out there for the world to see and usually would be happy for images of it to be spread further, but probably technically it is copyrighted and commons editors would get around to seeing it deleted, if you upload a photo specifically displaying it. Ideally you'd contact them and get permission released, by a wp:OTRS request. Although also in a wide-angle shot from farther away, the entire mural might be covered, as long as it doesn't seem to be the focus of the shot. For Bound Together Bookstore Collective in San Francisco, its mural of anarchist authors is notable, I just link to photo(s) of it. --doncram 15:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

MOTD

A good message relating to personal attacks is this, which i happened to come across. --doncram 15:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

How ironic that you would post that link less than an hour after writing an edit summary that says "restore content deleted during past harassment" at Boyd-Wilson Farm. Those dates were removed, as part of the general cleanup of that article, because the farm was not "built" in those years, not to 'harass' you. Maybe you should read that link again a few times before the next time you feel like insulting a fellow editor in a way that can never be taken back. Station1 (talk) 07:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

When I revisited that article to expand it with NRHP nomination document that is now available online (or it was yesterday, while today the NPS website is not working for me), yes, I was irritated to be reminded that content was deleted way back when. I am not sure of your point, is it that the farm property has always existed as land, and that a "built" date can never be valid? The farmhouse, the main feature of the property was indeed built at several dates. Watch Talk:Boyd-Wilson Farm later when I have accessed the NRHP document again. --doncram 15:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Later: the NRHP document is currently available here and its photos here. The text includes "The farmhouse has several distinct periods of construction, circa 1840, circa 1884, circa 1920, and 1976." This text was not available during the old contention. I had direct program access to my own downloaded copy of the NRIS database which provided at least the circa 1840, circa 1884, circa 1920 dates, while other editors could not see those dates (because they did not download the data and had access only to an interface which displayed just "1840"). I think that back then I may have perceived the deletion of those dates as insulting, as editors were disputing unreasonably IMO and were disbelieving me as if I were making stuff up, and I think i perceived it that way yesterday when I noticed the deletion had happened back then. And now the dates are specifically supported in a document that all can see. Station1, I don't particularly recall your involvement in it, and I don't think I made anything like a personal attack against you by referencing "harassment" in an edit summary. There was in fact a general pattern of editing that I certainly experienced as harassment that went on for months, and was covered in multiple dispute resolution processes eventually. Maybe/probably I shouldn't have mentioned it, but it was like a "harrumph" moment: see here is documentation that I was right after all. If it was your edit which removed the dates and your point was the technical one that land doesn't have "built" dates, I could respect that, but that was not clear, then or now. The atmosphere back then did not lend itself to rational discussion. If you had a point back then that I was making up stuff, then the NRHP nomination document should disprove that for you. If there's content issue now, let's take that to Talk:Boyd-Wilson Farm. --doncram 22:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

The point is only that personal attacks have no place on WP, and most especially in edit summaries, where they cannot be easily deleted. The person insulted doesn't appreciate it, and, as the "good message" you linked to notes, it mostly makes you look bad. When you get irritated, why not take a breath and read that link a few times before saving? Ask yourself if the person who changed this to this 4 months after your last edit is really just trying to harass you or might be trying to improve the article. Why not just write "added dates to infobox" as an edit summary, instead of anything personal, even if you're right? Everyone will be better off. Station1 (talk) 06:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

NPS Redirect

You should have an email from them by now. If you have more questions I should be able to help you. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 22:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC) Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 22:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Dead link

Hi , the links I marked as dead are coming up as http1 not available. Am using an ipad, please advise Atlantic306 (talk)

If they are dead it is temporary outage that will not last. All that I reverted were references to the NRIS database, which is linked from something like 50,000 articles. --doncram 02:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I think its been dead for at least a week, at least on my ipadAtlantic306 (talk) 02:44, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. Could have to do with changes at National Park Service noted in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#NPS down, which I thought were all fixed. Can you mention your evidence there, please? --doncram 02:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

will do Atlantic306 (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Doncram,

A HUGE backlog

We now have 814 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.

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Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems Advice: Copyright Violation; Publication ‘The Isle of Man (Pevensey Island Guides)’ by Trevor Kneale

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This relates to List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course and specifically to the latest related dispute at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Advice: Copyright Violation; Publication ‘The Isle of Man (Pevensey Island Guides)’ by Trevor Kneale. --doncram 19:30, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Please refrain from using talk pages such as Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems for general discussion of the topic or other unrelated topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. agljones(talk)22:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, as you did at Talk:List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course, you may be blocked from editing. Wikipedia requires that editors to "....Comment on content, not on the contributor" without referring to meta discussions and avoid posting the same thread in multiple talk pages. WP:MULTI It is also advised to follow the relevant BRD discussion and not bypass or undercut the same discussion with additional new sections to avoid hatting policy. WP:HAT, WP:FORUMSHOP Deal with facts rather than non sequitur and rhetorical questions WP:TALK#FACTS when in particular the same BRD discussion has already provided the information. Also, more consideration should be shown to editors that may require time to respond to a talk:page comments to check facts and sources. WP:TALK#USEagljones(talk)10:53, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Warner Robins Depot

Warner Robins Depot is on my photo list, the next time I'm up that way. Probably by March 20. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 22:48, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Reviewed!

Hi, I've reviewed the following articles which you created:

• Hawkinsville Commercial and Industrial Historic District
• Monroe County Courthouse (Forsyth, Georgia)
• Canadaway Creek
• U.S. Virgin Islands Governor's Mansion
• Dawson County Jail
• Green County Courthouse
• Left Bank Books.

I've done minor copyedits on most of them and put a couple of {{elucidate}} in where necessary. Other than that, they're all good.
Thanks for your contributions! DrStrauss talk 15:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Neighborhood signage

On the Harvard Heights, Los Angeles talk page, you had written: "pretty convincing evidence is information about signs being posted which promulgate what the boundaries are. We should not ignore the knowledge of locally-informed persons-on-the-spot." Is there a specific wikipedia rule that states that? Please advise.Phatblackmama (talk) 19:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections

Your last chance to nominate yourself or any New Page Reviewer, See Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Coordination. Elections begin Monday 20 February 23:59 UTC. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Isle of Man TT Races.

Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that a recent edit of yours to the page Isle of Man TT has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. Thank you.
It may not have been your intention, but one of your edits, specifically one that you made on Isle of Man TT, may have introduced material that some consider controversial. Due to this, your edits may have been reverted. When adding material that may be controversial, it is good practice to first discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them, to gain consensus over whether or not to include the text, phrasing, etc. If you believe that the information you added was correct, please initiate that discussion. Thank you.

agljones(talk)19:18, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.3

Hello Doncram,

Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed.

Still a MASSIVE backlog

We now have 814 New Page Reviewers but despite numerous appeals for help, the backlog has NOT been significantly reduced.
If you asked for the New Page Reviewer right, please consider investing a bit of time - every little helps preventing spam and trash entering the mainspace and Google when the 'NO_INDEX' tags expire.

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March Madness 2017

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

• tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
• updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
• creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Brandywell, Isle of Man

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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. agljones(talk)20:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 10

Issue 10 of the WikiProject X newsletter is here!

This month, we discuss the new CollaborationKit extension. Here's an image as a teaser:

23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Robert Selph Henry

Hello. Are you only interested in Southern mansions, or Southern history too? I've just created Robert Selph Henry (I think he may be related to Douglas Henry) and there are book reviews on JSTOR but I haven't had time to go through them yet. Are you interested in doing it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For creating so many articles on Georgia recently. Your efforts over the years are appreciated. Boleyn (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Curry Hill Plantation

A tag has been placed on Curry Hill Plantation requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

subject is a non-notable plantation

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. 2001:56A:F2C0:7B00:8DE7:641:B9CB:BF0E (talk) 07:42, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I happened to see this and I disagree with the decision of that IP, so I removed the speedy tag myself. NRHP listed locations are inherently notable in any reasonable interpretation of notability in the US. --Krelnik (talk) 12:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thansk for telling me about the NRHP articles! I do appreciate that you are interested in NRHP articles in Florida. I am willing to help you out and we can collaborate in the future. (Cass)