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::Presently there are 0 article links to [[Ariel, Israel]]‎ (and I cannot see ''any'' reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Having this redir only obfuscates the facts, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 23:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
::Presently there are 0 article links to [[Ariel, Israel]]‎ (and I cannot see ''any'' reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Having this redir only obfuscates the facts, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 23:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
::: and how many articles link to [[Shit Happens in Gaza]]? You are the classic [[WP:NOTHERE]] editor. [[User:Here come the Suns|Here come the Suns]] ([[User talk:Here come the Suns|talk]]) 23:42, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


====Hebron, Israel====
====Hebron, Israel====

Revision as of 23:42, 1 December 2019

December 1

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 1, 2019.

Barkan, Israel

The redirect might cause confusion: Barkan is not in Israel (it is on the occupied West Bank). Presently there is 0 article links to Barkan, Israel‎ (and I cannot see any reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Huldra (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Village Mobile Home Park, Arizona

The park isn't notable, as decided in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Desert Village Mobile Home Park, Arizona. A redirect to Arizona doesn't make any sense either. This might even fall under {{db-r3}}. – Frood (talk) 23:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete no idea why this redirect was created. SportingFlyer T·C 23:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel, Israel

The redirect might cause confusion: Hebron Ariel is not in Israel (it is on the occupied West Bank). Presently there is 0 links to Ariel, Israel‎ (and I cannot see any reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Huldra (talk) 22:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Ariel, Israel" is a common search term (with over 100,000 searches on Google). Someone who created this redirect should not be making these kind of suggestions. Here come the Suns (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Presently there are 0 article links to Ariel, Israel‎ (and I cannot see any reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Having this redir only obfuscates the facts, Huldra (talk) 23:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
and how many articles link to Shit Happens in Gaza? You are the classic WP:NOTHERE editor. Here come the Suns (talk) 23:42, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hebron, Israel

The redirect might cause confusion: Hebron is not in Israel (it is on the occupied West Bank). Presently there is 0 links to Hebron, Israel‎ (and I cannot see any reason why anyone should need to link to it.) Huldra (talk) 22:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chargesheet: The Shutterlock Murder

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Sorry, I misread something when declining the speedy nomination, no need to discuss this. —Kusma (t·c) 22:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a plausible search term, the correct title is Chargesheet: The Shuttlecock Murder. I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 21:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Salt-tolerant grass

Not mentioned at target. Salt tolerant grass is a description, not a specific taxon. Hyphenated "salt-tolerant" is an unlikely search term unless there is some entity that is pushing "Salt-tolerant Grass" as an Official-common Name of Ammophila (Wikipedia prefers to ignore idiosyncratic capitals, but perhaps not hyphens). However, I can find no evidence of this as a term particularly associated with Ammophila. Plantdrew (talk) 05:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as ambiguous search term that is not known to be an alternative name. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 18:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an unlikely search term, and the target is not the only salt-tolerant grass. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plantdrew, wouldn't Halophyte be a suitable target? Admittedly, it's about plants, not restricted to grasses. – Uanfala (talk) 01:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That could be appropriate with an {{R from subtopic}}. But if anybody is searching for the topic of grasses that can tolerate salt (or is wanting to start an article on that topic), I'd guess they might be more likely to look for "salt tolerant grass" than "salt-tolerant grass". Or they might look for "salt-tolerant grasses", or a WP:PANDORA's box of any number of other variant terms. Plantdrew (talk) 04:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Plantdrew (nice nickname!) and the nom. While it's true "salt-tolerant grass" isn't listed in the target article, "tolerant of saline [...]" is. So, it's a plausible search term. The problem, as I see it, is there are, presumably, more than one salt-tolerant grass. Disambiguation is a possibility in the future, I think, but we'd need to put together a dab page with at least an initial list of salt-tolerant grasses; however, if Plantdrew wants to add an initial list of dab targets at the subject page, I'd, alternatively, support a move to...
Disambiguate (2nd choice) or...
Retarget (3rd choice) per BDD with one or two hatnotes, with potential to disambiguate in the future. --Doug Mehus T·C 21:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Halophyte. Pretty good R from subtopic IMO, since a couple of grasses are mentioned there, and readers will get general information about salt-tolerant plants. And in American English, at least, the hyphen is correct usage, even though its absence really doesn't affect understanding. --BDD (talk) 21:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BDD I'd support that as an interim solution, with one or two hatnotes to other salt-tolerant grasses, without prejudice to converting to a dab page in future maybe? Doug Mehus T·C 21:42, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Other salt-tolerant grasses could be added to the Examples section, but I don't think a hatnote is the right approach. Crucially, it doesn't appear that any grass species is called simply "Salt-tolerant grass" as a common name; it's just a descriptive term. --BDD (talk) 21:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The proposed alternative target deserves more discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 17:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Retarget per BDD. That article is the best we have to offer, and significantly better than the search results. Thryduulf (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iman Elman

Elman Ali Ahmed, who does not seem to have been widely known as "Iman Elman", had a daughter, named "Iman Elman", who potentially measures up to GNG herself. I think it would be better for this to be a redlink, until an article on the young woman is ready for article space. Geo Swan (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 20:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Gardine

The redirect does not appear to be an alternative name or spelling for the target, and I think that the edit distance is a little too far for the misspelling to be a useful redirect. I would thus suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 19:18, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The name was annunciated incorrectly in an interview I heard where it sounded like this. It took further research to find the Wikipedia page of the real man. The purpose of these redirects is to make it easier for people to find a page when they hear it in media. I've never understood why there is such a drive to delete simple redirects that make Wikipedia a more accessible research tool.--Dr who1975 (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reasoning behind nominating these sorts of redirects for deletion is that they can often make it difficult to find other articles (either already existing now, or created down the road) that are closer matches to the misspelling/mispronunciation than the target of this corrective redirect. In this case, I'm not really sure how to weigh a mispronunciation in an interview vs. the potential for confusion, and would appreciate it if other editors also weighed in. signed, Rosguill talk 00:40, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm not seeing how this is a notable misspelling or mispronunciation. Steel1943 (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 20:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Xyfindit

It would appear that Xyfindit is a competitor to TrackR [1], which makes this redirect less than useful. I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 19:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Issue of money

This phrase has an ambiguous meaning and thus is an unsuitable search term. While it could refer to "issuing money" (in which case the current target is appropriate), it could also refer to (and IMO more strongly refers to) something along the lines of "the problem of money", in which case the current target is not particularly helpful. Due to the lack of usage history, I think that deletion is a better option than disambiguation. signed, Rosguill talk 19:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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CaPone

There was only one use of this, where Capone (rapper) was intended, which I fixed. Capone targets Al Capone, but this is an unusual misspelling of the name, so if someone goes out of their way to spell it like this, Al Capone is more likely not their intended target.

It could be retargeted to Capone (surname) or Capone (disambiguation) (which should probably be merged anyway). 185.62.130.234 (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Bigger Now

Appears to be a typo for a song on the album Bigger Wow. Didn't find any other logical target for the redirect Richhoncho (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Hell, or High Water

Should we keep this redirect (with a comma) targeting the album on which it is a song, or retarget to the more general disambiguation page Hell or High Water? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or send to disambiguation page?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 11:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since I've already !voted, I'll just say I think it'd be confusing to have two substantially similar redirects, one with a single comma and one without, pointing to two different places. Seems like unnecessary hatnotes to the dab page, personally. Doug Mehus T·C 16:09, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to the dab page. Google "helpfully" ignores the comma in my search term but even so I'm not seeing the song as a high likelihood target. Thryduulf (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to dab page per above. buidhe 19:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the band's name Woe, Is Me also has those intentional commas and that Hell or Highwater project has its own page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:24, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @AngusWOOF: Noted. They'll be mentioned on the dab page, if they aren't already. Doug Mehus T·C 00:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as {{R from song}}. Maybe I'm overestimating the degree of intent here, but I think someone searching for this title (with the comma) is specifically looking for the song, not one of the other topics on the dab page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:27, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, this is the only usage with the comma. Since it's a highly unusual comma placement, I find it very unlikely for someone to search for a different usage with this same comma. Perhaps a hatnote could be deployed just in case. -- Tavix (talk) 00:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I still think retargeting to the dab page makes the most sense. No evidence of primary topic here, and who is to say someone entering either phrase wants some music album?Doug Mehus T·C 00:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Upper Caste (disambiguation)

The redirect does not point at a disambiguation page and is thus unnecessary, and thus I would suggest deletion. Upper Caste already exists and points at the same target. signed, Rosguill talk 19:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ingurisshu

While this is an approximation of a broken Japanese pronunciation of the target, the actual Japanese convention is to just write "Engrish" (see jaWiki entry). I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 19:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The very reason ill-formed use of English by speakers of East Asian languages is known as Engrish is because those languages lack the distinction between L and R. So Ingurisshu is just the Japanese rendition of English and means "English" (be it language, people, or whatever), not "Engrish" (because there's no way to distinguish it from "English" in those languages). Although we could refine it to English language or English (disambiguation), that would be a very obscure synonym discouraged at WP:R#D8/WP:FORRED as it is a romanization of the Japanese rendition of the name of the language or people in English, even though the language is referred to by the exonym 英語 and the people as イングランド人, seldom as イングリッシュ (Ingurisshu)—not to mention Japanese orthography doesn't use the Latin alphabet. Nardog (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States tornadoes in 2019

This redirect should be deleted. It was created when the target page was moved back in February, but that move was soon reverted. The redirect is no longer accurate as there are now multiple monthly lists for United States tornadoes (see Tornadoes of 2019#Events). It is standard procedure from WP:SEVERE to have monthly U.S. tornado lists, but not an annual list. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:50, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Tornadoes of 2019#Events, which has links to all the lists, or disambig at this title. This is a plausible search term and the former name location of article content, so we should do our best to take readers to the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yoga as exercise or alternative medicine

Unlikely search phrase with "or" in the middle; we already have "Yoga as exercise", "Yoga as therapy", and "Yoga as alternative medicine" so this one is redundant. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The page explains quite clearly that "This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external" and the page has plenty of incoming links within the project. It also has an above-average level of traffic which seems to refute the claim that it's an unlikely form of words. Andrew D. (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of these are good reasons really. The statement makes little sense as no history is accessible on the redirect page, see for yourself. On incoming links (to a redirect!), they should all go somewhere better: thanks for noticing this – I've repointed them directly to where they should go now. On the traffic, it's steadily declining since Yoga as exercise and Yoga as therapy were created. That fact points to a further problem with the redirect: with the disjunction ("or") between two link targets, it's very likely to go the wrong place: indeed, yoga as exercise is a more likely target than the current one, therapy, but then anyone wanting the therapy article would hardly key in "as exercise", and anyone wanting the "as exercise" would hardly key in "alternative medicine", would they now. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On further investigation, I find that this matter has a complex history. First two pages were merged: Yoga (alternative medicine) with Yoga as exercise to form Yoga as exercise or alternative medicine. Now this has been split again. These mergers and splits seem to be performed with little participation and the lack of stability indicates a lack of consensus. Yoga has a long and rich history and there are many variations. This means that there are many ways to approach the topic and so we see variation here too. As the participants come and go, we should maintain our history of the matter, rather than deleting it. This provides an audit trail, attribution and explanation for those who wish to trace the history of our coverage. My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Policy is that incoming external links are also considered, so they are perfectly good reasons. If there is a netter target, then it should be fixed by changing to that and a hatnote added to the new target, not deleted. Andrewa (talk) 22:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No reason to delete, and preserving existing links as per policy and long-standung practice is a valid reason to keep. Andrewa (talk) 22:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thuringwethil

This redirect is not mentioned in the target article. It was recreated almost immediately after a deletion discussion was concluded. ―Susmuffin Talk 07:59, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, I created it after the deletion discussion in which I explained why a redirect was the right outcome.—S Marshall T/C 15:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fayetteville Highlanders

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Delete since even though the target is different, the redirect seems to have the same WP:REDLINK concerns as it did in the previous discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 02:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

కత్తెర తెగులు

No affinity for Telugu Plantdrew (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't know what that rationale is about, but I think that this title "కత్తెర తెగులు" is pretty useless, it would only be useful so that the creator could find out what happened to their page. Normally when patrolling new pages and I move a page I would leave the previous title unless there is a serious problem. However in this case the content was not worthwhile either as we already had an article. You had better let User talk:Sudhakarbira know about this, as that was the person who made it in the first place. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The rational is WP:FORRED which is an essay that expands on what is covered at the either entry at WP:RFD#DELETE. It commonly cited in deletion discussions and usually not controversial.--69.157.252.96 (talk) 05:42, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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