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Uploading images

Not sure whether this question should go under Help Desk or Policy at the "Village Pump" instead of here— but since the Teahouse is for newcomers and I'm still one, I'll go ahead here.

I wanted to upload several photos, one of the person who is the subject of an article I'm editing, and others that would be of interest to the topic of the article. Each time I get a notice that seems to say I can't do it unless it's a photo I myself took or I have some sort of permission to use it. But there are lots of photos throughout Wikipedia articles. If editors choose photos judiciously and give proper attribution, why the barrier?

I did notice, and looked at, some ancillary information that seemed to say it's possible, but I found it somewhat confusing. Augnablik (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Attribution doesn't negate copyright - attribution is required for compatibly licensed images, but giving attribution for a copyrighted image (ie. not pd or CC by 4.0) doesn't mean we can use it. So unless you own the copyright or can demonstrate it's compatibly licensed, it cannot be uploaded. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik, for more specifics, here's a link to the image use policy: Wikipedia:Image use policy#Identifying usable images. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

So then, Praxidicae, if an image published in a book is shown at a Web site, it should be okay to copy into a Wikipedia article, right? Augnablik (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik, no, absolutely not. Being published in a book or uploaded to a website is not a guarantee that an image has been released under an appropriate license. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 15:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik I will repeat: "You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted". My point about images in books is that those images have been licensed with (usually) a license fee and a license agreement with each copyright holder. I hope it is clear now. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

97.126.96.239 and 71.228.112.175 — I appreciate your weighing in on this issue, but I can see that it will be quite a long time (if ever!) before I try to add any images to articles I edit. I'm just not grasping the problem why published images that would have been cleared before appearing in other publications shouldn't be okay to put in Wikipedia too. Augnablik (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik, I'm not sure what you mean by "cleared". An image can be released by its copyright holder under any number of different licenses which allow different kinds of reuse - for instance, no reuse at all unless payment is made, or only reusable by a specific organization, or only reusable for specific purposes. Not all of those licenses are compatible with being reused on Wikipedia. Uploading to Commons requires a license that allows free use; non-free content can sometimes be used on Wikipedia, but only under very specific, limited circumstances (see WP:FAIRUSE). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

The phrase "copyright clearance" is used for the process of a book publisher negotiating and paying a fee to the copyright holder of each image that the publisher wants to use in a book. I used that term, and it might have been confusing if you don't know it. (Once a fee has been paid by the book publisher for one image, that image is "cleared" to be used in that book.) The pictures aren't "cleared" to be used anywhere else, and they are still copyrighted. Sorry if that was confusing. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

When will my page get re-reviewed

still waiting Simohayhafan (talk) 07:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Simohayhafan Reviews are conducted by volunteers, doing what they can when they can, there is no timeframe, and it's possible it could take months- though your draft is likely to be declined quickly. Your personal knowledge is unacceptable as a source, as there is no way to verify that. All articles on Wikipedia must summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. Wikipedia does not summarize personal knowledge. 331dot (talk) 07:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Simohayhafan (talk) 07:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Simohayhafan He Kinda decided. Hey imma make something like this. Does that sound anything at all like something you would read in an encyclopedia? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Simohayhafan Your Draft:Suomi KP-22 has been declined twice for lack of references, use of personal knowledge ('original research' is forbidden) and inappropriate style. I strongly recommend you model your attempts on articles about other military weapons. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

question about a draft that has been rejected

Excuse me I'm new to Wikipedia and I tried to create a page about the county commissioners in Oklahoma and article that was rejected, the person who rejected it said that for it to not be rejected I would need to add more secondary sources and would have to create a "parent article" and I just want to make sure I understand what that exactly is before I actually do it. What they are saying is that I have to make a different article about the commissioners and describe what they do and how long they serve for in Oklahoma that sort of thing right? In regard to secondary sources that just mean finding a bunch of newspapers or news sites that say these things happened right?

I apologize if this is a dumb question and I appreciate you answering it.

Please and Thank you

Free city of stratford ok (talk) 15:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not really an experienced editor myself, but I'll answer your questions with my knowledge. So first, you have to make an article describing the post of the County Commissioner Of Oklahoma itself, and then make this article. You also have to list sources which are secondary, and your understanding here is correct, but make sure these sources are reliable. Your draft also has to pass the required notability criterion. Best of luck, Vial of Power (talk) 15:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not a dumb question - the Teahouse is here to answer questions from newcomers to the vast and complicated edifice that is Wikipedia.

The reviewer SmokeyJoe pointed out that you have created a list of not obviously notable people, and we don't like those: lists in Wikipedia are usually lists of things or people that are already the subjects of articles. But SmokeyJoe's further point is that an article about the office of County Commissioner would be much more valuable for Wikipedia than a mere list of incumbents. Why should the reader care who held these offices when, if they can't easily find why there is such an office and what the commissioners are responble for?

To do so, you would indeed need to find sources which were not from the state or county governments - ideally, for this purpose, I suspect that textbooks about local government in Oklahoma would be the best sources, but maybe some newspaper articles would be helpful too. ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Just caught this, responsible*.- Vial of Power (talk) 16:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The draft submission was declined, not rejected. It can still be worked on further. The replies by editors here should be helpful in pointing you the direction in having the draft improved. Cheers. – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Free city of stratford ok How will that page be kept up to date? Do you plan to maintain it? And I agree with ColinFine, a list of names like this isn't really very interesting; an article about the office would be much more useful. If I really wanted to know the officeholders, I would either use a search engine, or look for some page at the Oklahoma state government site. And I can't think of why anyone would want to know ALL of them. It's a maintenance nightmare because no one who sees the article will ever know if it's out of date... you can't tell by looking. At least those are my opinions. Don't let this discourage you from creating articles, and I did not intend to sound so harsh. Keep learning!. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Tiffany M. Cartwright: Draft

I am trying to get the draft Wikipedia page for “Tiffany M. Cartwright” resubmitted to a regular page. I just added four references. Three of the references were articles from The Associated Press (A national news outlet). They each verify Tiffany M. Cartwright was the legal counsel for three major civil rights cases. I added a fourth reference from the senate judiciary committee which further documented additional cases.

All of this is in addition to Tiffany M. Cartwright being a current nominee from the president of the USA for a lifetime appointment for a federal judgeship. She has already had her hearing in the senate judiciary committee and they have already cited her out of committee to the senate floor where she is currently in queue for a final senate floor vote.

Can you assist me with what else is needed to make her a notable figure so we can get her moved from draft? MIAJudges (talk) 06:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

For Draft:Tiffany M. Cartwright, is this just WP:TOOSOON, as she has not yet been appointed to federal judgeship? David notMD (talk) 07:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

MIAJudges It is too soon for this article, once she is confirmed by the Senate, then it would be fine. She cannot be made a notable figure by us, only the Senate. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

That’s why I am confused. There are dozens of other articles on Wikipedia of people that were voted on by the senate who were not confirmed. There pages still exists despite their failed vote by the senate so I do not understand why this one persons article was moved to DRAFT. She has successfully been voted on by the Senate judiciary committee.

Even besides that, this person is notable stand alone even without being a nominee for a federal judgeship. I listed three major civil rights cases in which she was the legal counsel for the winning team. These were featured in The Associated Press indicating they were a national story. We have Wikipedia pages of other figures for lawyers that have won major cases. So I guess my question is what do I need to do in order to justify making her page worthy of a Wikipedia page just based on that alone? I added three links of three separate pages that detail those cases. Would additional articles showing her being the lead attorney be suffice? How about awards she has received for her civil rights work? I can include those links as well. MIAJudges (talk) 12:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

MIAJudges References to articles about cases she won (or lost) are useful information, in the same way that listing films is useful for an article about an actor, or books published for an author, but can you find more reliable source references to published content about her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 13:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@MIAJudges "There are dozens of other articles on Wikipedia of people that were voted on by the senate who were not confirmed." Please see Other Stuff Exists. Those other article subjects might be notable for other reasons, and maybe some of them should be deleted. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:22, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

User Contributions page mystery

I made a screenshot of 4 examples from my recent contributions that I'd like to understand. What do these pieces of information mean:

o diff | hist?

o the red and green figures with preceding - and + symbols?

o the fact that some digits are boldfaced and others aren't?

o and also the letter m on the line with the -8?

Augnablik (talk) 12:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Augnablik:

• The link "diff" is a diff link, which will list the changes made during the edit listed at Special:Contributions
• similarly, the "hist" link will lead to the page history of the article that was edited.
• the red or green number is the amount of bytes (which are roughly, but not exactly, characters) which were added or removed by the edit. If the edit added some text, it will be green, if the edit removed bytes, it will be red, and if the number of bytes the page had was unchanged, it will be gray. This number will display in bold if more than 500 bytes were added or removed.
• m means that the user tagged the minor edit checkbox, which can be checked to indicate a very minor change that doesn't require review, like fixing spelling mistakes. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Victor. Augnablik (talk) 07:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I got a little curious as I thought about all this. Are we editors being watched —assumption being that it's in a benign way — to see how many bytes we add or subtract over a period of time, and how much we contribute to Wikipedia tasks? Perhaps also how many missteps we make? Augnablik (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Not as far as I'm aware. I use it to figure out if large amounts of content are being added or removed, as they can be indicative of problematic edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § reliable sources

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

plz look forward to these Japanese websites.

https://www.zakzak.co.jp/

https://www.excite.co.jp/

what's their reliability? They look unpopular but i maybe wrong. I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere in wikipedia regarding its credibility. Though i found some academic books which cites https://www.zakzak.co.jp/ as its source of info. But i'm still very confused. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 14:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Sources don't exist in a vacuum, reliability is also context dependent with very few exceptions. So what context are we talking here? PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Well its regarding Teresa Teng. https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Kkbox_1235/ https://www.zakzak.co.jp/entertainment/ent-news/news/20100408/enn1004081617006-n2.htm

Both claims that she has sold 100 million records. Arorapriyansh333 (talk)

@Arorapriyansh333: Considering the highest selling album is Thriller at 70 million, I would say no, they're not reliable. ––FormalDude talk 17:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Have you read properly? I'm not referring to one album. It's about total sales of all her albums. Arorapriyansh333 (talk)

@Arorapriyansh333: That answer seemed unnecessarily curt or rude, if you don't mind my saying. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arorapriyansh333. I'm not sure that I can read properly, but I'll have a bash at doing so all the same. Putting aside for a moment the matter of their reliability (or not), both the Excite page (actually the third in the sequence of three) and the Zakzak page say that sales are said to be well over 100 million. (Are said by whom? Neither tells us.) The Excite piece is attributed to a "KKBox writer" named 濱安紹子; the Zakzak piece is unsigned but says that Zakzak is part of, or related to, Yūkan Fuji (a supōtsu shinbun); So they both look dodgy to me; but anyway neither "claims that she has sold 100 million records". -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: so you are saying that Yūkan Fuji is not a reliable newspaper? Can i know why? And sorry for that. I was only saying have you read those links properly? I wasn't rude. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 03:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Arorapriyansh333, it's a supōtsu shinbun, which literally means "sports newspaper" but actually is a congeries of spectator sports news, celeb news, and (often) softcore porn. It's not reliable, but neither is it toxic. The main problem is that the Yūkan Fuji piece doesn't say that she's sold over 100 million records, merely that it is said -- by whom? where? We're not told -- that she has done so. -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: yeah I see that. Thank you for your ensight. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 08:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

new article

can someone please help me insert a template ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tony_Rabalao TamarToronto (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

TamarToronto, inserting any template would be a waste of time at this stage. It would do nothing to help acceptance of this draft. What this draft desperately needs are signs of notability (as understood in Wikipedia), as evidenced by what's written in reliable sources (which of course must be independent of Rabalao). -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@TamarToronto: Once you have established whether this person meets either WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN, then it would be worth continuing and adding a template. The code you should add in WP:Source Editor can be pasted in, but unwanted or irrelevant fields should then be removed to avoid cluttering up the page. See Template:Infobox musical artist or Template:Infobox person to choose the most suitable one. (As an aside, @Hoary:, can you suggest why it's not posible to click 'reply' on this thread, whereas it works on the ones above. I had to click 'edit' before it would let me add this response). Nick Moyes (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you Nick. how do I insert this template Template:Infobox musical artist TamarToronto (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@TamarToronto: You should have copied the text (wikimarkup) in the white section of that page. I've done it for you. Not to be rude, but , like Hoary siad, don't waste your time unless you can find published, independent and reliable sources that talk about this person. You've declared that you know him - but you can't use your personal knowledge to create an article. Everything must be verifiable against published sources. If they don't exist, nor can the article because the person won't be deemed notable. Even Suga from boyband, BTS, didn't get an article of his own until he'd had a hit solo single. Just making music or being in a band simply isn't enough. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Nick, I don't see "reply" on this or any other thread. For this thread, as for any other, I just see the thread title, and, to the right of it, "[ edit ]" or similar. (Is "reply" perhaps a (mis)feature that's specific to the "visual editor"? If I have ever used that, it was only once, and for less than five minutes.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Its part of WP:REPLYTOOL or the other discussion tools that are now enabled by default for new users. RudolfRed (talk) 03:22, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Check to see if Preferences → Editing → Discussion pages → Enable quick replying is checked for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

RudolfRed, Tenryuu, thank you both, I suppose. Though actually it sounds like a solution to a problem that I don't have. (The problem, if it was one, was Nick's.) Still, it's of mild interest, as something has recently been mystifying me. A poses a question. B posts an answer, by writing below and prefixing this with a colon. C posts a different answer to A's question (ignoring B's answer), by writing below and prefixing this with -- how many colons? With no hesitation, I'd say one; but the (newish) custom hereabouts seems to be two. Is this perhaps a symptom of "quick replying"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't think the Reply tool does that, Hoary: in my experience, if I use it, my reply comes below any existing replies to the particular post I'm replying to, and indented only once. (Don't know what it would do if the existing reply were already indented two stops).

The reason I use it is that it shows me the display version or my post as I type it, so I don't have to go "Preview" and then back again to edit. ColinFine (talk) 08:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

My guess is that User C is using the reply link or similar affixed to the end of B's comment because it's the closer one after reading through the section, which indents C's comment one level further than B's. I haven't seen any changes to the guidance WP:INDENT lately, which is why I've been adjusting indent levels on this page when a user replies to someone else but piggybacks off my comment such that it looks like they're replying to me. It's not as bad if they ping the intended user, but I would prefer to keep the thread structure consistent and ordered to get new users in the good habit of proper threading. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Contact

How to contact wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proboko (talk • contribs)

Proboko Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. By posting here, you have contacted Wikipedia- there is no central authority to contact. What is your question? Is it the one you had in a longer message here before removing it? 331dot (talk) 07:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise editors with problems. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:CONTACT. Kpddg ^(talk) 12:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Query

Does Casetoo meet notability guidelines/criteria ? 205.253.61.166 (talk) 07:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on who Casetoo is and what they do. You can review the notability guidelines for biographies in general; there are more specific guidelines for musicians or other fields. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

TV Episode Titles - Episode Guide Title vs On-Screen Episode Title

What are the rules regarding TV episode titles?

I'm wondering because I've just noticed that a TV series has the same episode titles listed in the episode guides on Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV, Tubi TV etc and it's original network Channel 4.

Yet on-screen it doesn't show those titles anywhere...

...However they do have different counties and regions as the on-screen titles.

I'm not sure what to do with the titles on IMDB as they only let you add 1 episode title, and no alternative episode titles...

...However on here, we could keep the episode guide titles, and add the on-screen titles next to them.

Eg.

• One of Us - London
• Hardcore - Humberside
• Heroes - West Yorkshire
• The Greater Good - Scottish Borders
• Firewall - Greater Manchester
• Necessary Means - Nottinghamshire
• Colour Blind (Part One) - London
• Colour Blind (Part Two) - London Danstarr69 (talk) 08:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Danstarr69, welcome back to the Teahouse. This would be a good question to ask the folks over at WP:TELEVISION. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Please create article WASP-96 due to imminent NASA observations being released

Hey, I wanted to request a page be created for the star WASP-96. I have a draft ready:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:WASP-96

The reason I'm asking now (instead of waiting for the backlog) is because this star is the subject of initial observations by the James Webb Space Telescope. The photos/data will be released by NASA in a few hours, and its sudden notability will likely necessitate page creation. The planet orbiting this star already has a page created, WASP-96b.

Thank you for the help! Epsilonal (talk) 09:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

hi @Epsilonal and welcome to the teahouse! good news, the draft has been accepted and been turned into an article! you can continue to improve the article now, adding new sources and updates whenever relevant (and supported by reliable sources). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Eumillipes article

Why is Eumillipes start-class when it basically summarizes all known, available information on the subject (e.g. the only scientific paper and a few high-quality news sources)? You can't expand it more than that. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Vortex3427 Rating of articles is not a terribly important aspect, except for those rated B or higher. See WP:Assessing articles for an essay on this. You, or anyone else can re-rate an article up to that level but sometimes it s best to be familiar with the specific criteria listed under the Projects that are interested in it (as listed on its Talk Page). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

What to do if you think someone is targeting an article maliciously ?

Hello,

I am the subject of a wikipedia article - Nicola Green

Much of the information is incorrect or out of date. I intend to follow wikipedia’s guidelines and I will not directly edit this article. I have been advised to make suggestions on the talk page in order to improve the overall quality of this article and help (if I can) to ensure there are no factual errors.

I have followed all of wikipedia's guidelines and protocols, and yet a single editor continues to remove any edits made (despite them being approved by other editors on the talk page).

They constantly target this article, and yet, when other editors make incorrect changes to this article, this editor does not remove the factual inaccuracies. They seem to monitor my edits with such tenacity that I believe they have malicious intentions. Could someone please advise me how to proceed? Is there anyway I can stop this person from constantly removing all the changes to this article? Or perhaps there is more advice I can follow in order to have this page updated.

Thank you so much NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Step one. Don't ask the same question in multiple places. - X201 (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I wasn't sure which to use. My apologies. NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)First, you are going to have to stop using two accounts. This post was previously posted by PabloPompey, which has not declared the conflict. Slywriter (talk) 13:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, sorry NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

These have been honest mistakes, but I will not do it again. Beyond that, is there nothing I can do about this situation??? NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

There are valid reasons sometimes to have multiple Wikipedia accounts (see WP:VALIDALT) but using one to edit a page for which you have a declared conflict-of-interest is not one of them. You were following the correct procedure by taking the {{edit request}} route via the Talk Page of the article. I am not sure why Justlettersandnumbers has suggested that a consensus needs to be reached before material can be added by that mechanism: my view of the policies and guidelines is that editors responding to such requests may just take them at face value and make the requested change(s) provided they improve the article and have adequate reliable sourcing. Indeed, some editors specifically work to fulfil such requests. Nevertheless, NicolaGreen72 you should always assume good faith in other editors. We are all volunteers here and are trying to improve the contents of Wikipedia. No doubt others more interested in biographies than me will now look again at your requests and see which should be incorporated into the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much to everyone for sharing all of the information with me.

Any rules broken were honest mistakes, which I will not do again! Thank you so so much for clarifying everything for me.

However, I do not believe this is done in good faith as @Justlettersandnumbers consistently removes edits to this article NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Justlettersandnumbers is an extremely experienced editor of many years standing and is also an admin here. His edits were all to ensure neutral tone, you should not be editing the article at all but limit yourself to requesting edits on the talk page. Also see WP:CRONY. Theroadislong (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

ok, thank you for clarifying NicolaGreen72 (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

NicolaGreen72, welcome to the Teahouse! I'm just a host and editor here and I've made many mistakes in editing so I get it. I appreciate your willingness to admit errors when you are presented with them and take corrective actions. I know the seemingly contradictory statements we sometimes receive can leave us bewildered and unsure of what to do. We can cut through some of that and simplify it. WP:COI states "COI editors are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly, and can propose changes on article talk pages instead. However, our policy on matters relating to living people allows very obvious errors to be fixed quickly, including by the subject." This means there are times when it is appropriate for even the subject of a BLP to edit the article about themselves. However, in the overwhelming majority of cases the subject of a BLP should not edit the article or any article associated with themselves. As you have no doubt read the COI policy closely, the only means by which that policy gives for a subject to request changes is by using the {{request edit}} template). I currently disagree with the comments left by User:Justlettersandnumbers that, somehow you are to gain consensus before requesting an edit change by using the only prescribed method for COI editors to request changes according to the policy. But I believe they are trying to protect the neutrality of the article and that is always a good thing. I myself will always err on the side of caution and do no harm even if that means I fall on the wrong side of things in the end. I won't harp on the usage of two accounts too much because that has already been discussed and as any damage that may have happened to the article by the usage of two accounts to edit have been erased and as you have apologized and agreed to never allow the use of two accounts, whether a colleague or your own, to edit the article directly again there isn't anything really chronic or intractable at issue. I would welcome an explanation as to the purpose of the consensus before edit request comment as there may be underlying reasons allowed for by policy. Nicola, @Justlettersandnumbers is a very experienced editor, regardless, we all afford every editor the same good faith. That is especially critical in cases where we disagree on the implementation or interpretation of policy. --ARoseWolf 14:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. I understand now about:

1. Having multiple accounts
2. Editing an article about myself
3. Good faith of editors

I will no longer attempt to make changes to this page, and I apologise for any rules broken or any inconveniences caused.

However, I will monitor this page for factual inaccuracies, particularly, like what was done earlier this month, where my children's names (which should not be on the page at all) where added incorrectly. NicolaGreen72 (talk) 14:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

If I may be allowed to get a little personal, I believe that falls under what the policy calls "obvious errors". As an encyclopedia that contains biographies of living persons it is extremely important for the encyclopedia to get it right and when in doubt it is always better to do no harm to the subject or those closely associated. That does not mean that there can never be anything negative written about a subject, especially if it is in reliable sources but an editor should use extreme caution and make sure the information they are adding is due in accordance with the subjects notability. As a mother, albeit not notable enough to have an article myself, I do understand our protective nature when it comes to our children. I believe the article, leaving them unnamed, in those regards is the best solution at this point. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

NicolaGreen72, you've generously made several apologies here, thank you! I think we all recognise that our policies and practices are fairly inscrutable to those not familiar with them, so not understanding them isn't really something you need to apologise for. I hope that you now understand a little better how this works, and why some of your edits were reverted?

I'd like to make a couple of apologies of my own: first, I'm quite mortified that I didn't notice the silly vandalism on 1 July relating to your children; as ARoseWolf says, removal of that kind of nonsense is just the kind of edit that you can make yourself. Secondly, when I declined your edit request here on 3 March, I used an automated tool and did not notice that it had left a rather strange message – the bit about seeking consensus on the talk-page was OK, but "before using the {{Request edit}} template" didn't really make any sense, as that's what you'd already done. I'm sorry for both those things, particularly the first of them.

May I offer one piece of advice that I don't see in the various useful comments above: the request edit process is for the correction of fundamental errors or omissions of basic verifiable fact, and shouldn't be used to try to massage or spin the text of the article – you can safely leave the tone of the page to us. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Note to Terasail: can we improve the message left by your useful script in this use-case? Note to Michael D. Turnbull: asking the requesting editor to obtain talk-page consensus is one of the standard responses to a {{Request edit}}; in this case the reply was left using a script and was ... well, unusual! – as I should have noticed at the time. Regards to both, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Justlettersandnumbers for the clarification of the comments left (it did look a little automated to me but I wasn't sure) and for the additional advice given to Nicola. I do believe the automated response stems from this statement on WP:ER that I found when researching it a bit more. "Requests should be accompanied by a clear and specific description of the requested change, and consensus should be obtained before requesting changes that are likely to be controversial.

NicolaGreen72, if you do decide to make any further edit requests on the articles talk page, clearly your prerogative, I would suggest reading up on edit requests and how to seek consensus prior to making an edit request where the information may be controversial. Controversial does not necessarily mean what we would think it would. A non-controversial edit would include those that do not need a source to make such as as correcting typographical errors or disambiguating links. In that case you can make the edit request or do the edit yourself. As stated, obvious vandalism can be reverted by anyone, including you. --ARoseWolf 15:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers I can update the summaries that my scripts give, I am not too clear on what the change should be here though. If the automated responses need changing they are at Template:ECOI. I will update my tool soon to be in line with the protected request tool that I have. Terasail^[✉️] 15:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Justlettersandnumbers

Thank you so much for this message, and for clearing everything up. I am sorry for not seeing that your edits where in good faith, and I do really appreciate how much work you put into wikipedia! I feel like I completely understand what is going on now, and what can and cannot be done on wikipedia.

Thank you so much! Nicola NicolaGreen72 (talk) 12:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Is winning Biggboss consider notable?

Take a look Dilsha Prasannan who is the winner of Biggboss Malayalam last season, is winning the reality show considered notable? Because the article only depends upon the reality show’s coverages. Also when I check additional notability for television shows, I found that’s marked ‘false proposal. Onmyway22 talk 15:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Onmyway22, see WP:REALITY. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Onmyway22. What really matters is whether or not the person has received significant coverage in truly reliable sources. In this case, of the ten references, six are to the Times of India, a newspaper that, despite its impressive name, has a poor reputation for reliability, especially in its coverage of entertainers. It should ever be used as a reference in a biography of a living person. Cullen328 (talk) 16:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 So? Can we remove the references as clean up? Onmyway22 talk 16:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Onmyway22, you should try to find higher quality sources for the assertions that are now sourced to the Times of India. If you can find them, then replace the references. If you cannot find a reliable source, then remove the assertion. Cullen328 (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

whats missing here

please tell which droneship mission till starlink 3-1 is missing on Autonomous spaceport drone ship page's vessel mission section. This https://spacexfleet.com/droneship-data tells us till 94 attempts, remove 2 cancelled attempts form 92 but my count says 91 for starlink 4-11. Please help out. Chinakpradhan (talk) 15:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Also asked in HelpDesk. Don't ask the same question in two different locations. - X201 (talk) 15:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

ok i will mind it Chinakpradhan (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Is questioning the Holocaust bannable?

If someone starts asking questions regarding the holocaust (i.e. number of victim, death methods used), would it result in a immediate ban? Isabella GeIato (talk) 15:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Article for creation

Why there is no article available on "CounterExtremism" like Counterterrorism. After Terrorism the second biggest challenge for humanity is extremism. There are many theories and practices in the world, many nations are combating with this by making laws, educational changes, awareness and crack down, so i request here kindly make an article on this. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello. We do have an article Counter Extremism Project about an organization dedicated to opposing extremism. If you think that a broader article is called for, please read and study Your first article, and get to work. Cullen328 (talk) 16:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Counter Extremism Project article is about an organisation, it can't cover CounterExtremism. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Anybody may request an article: the official place to do so is at requested articles. Unfortunately, this being a volunteer project where editors work on what they choose, there is no guarantee that anybody will pick up such a request. It is probably slightly more likely that they will if somebody (eg you) does some of the hard work of finding the reliable independent sources which will be required to establish that the topic meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Please read your first article. ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

World Cup race podiums in Infobox of the alpine skiers

I believe that having it, such as it is in Mikaela Shiffrin in the German Wikipedia, is very useful. Among other things, the template with the total sum of podiums exists and is used in the same infobox for medals in international events. To object that the template is "medal template" and not also "podium template" is an inconsistent justification, because the title of the template itself would specify that it is podiums. Are you for or against its use? Kasper2006 (talk) 17:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kasper2006. The Teahouse is a friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. It is not a place to organize a content discussion. I suggest you move it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skiing and Snowboarding or Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer. If it's not at the latter then definitely post a notification there when the dicussion is about that template. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, the problem is that no one answers there. Kasper2006 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kasper2006, you asked a question there - apparently the same question? - earlier this year and got several replies. If you're looking for a wider variety of opinions, you can try an RfC. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: I guess "there" meant Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer. Three of the four previous posts got an answer within two hours by editors who are still active and may be among the 14 users with the page on their watchlist. The fourth post was by you and only said the vague "Weight - Don't work". That's not much to go on for somebody trying to answer. If you mean you tried to call it with a |weight= parameter and nothing happened then nothing was supposed to happen. The template has no such parameter and the documentation makes no claim it does. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Please excuse me I'm probably the fool. Yes, I posted the question in March 2022, but not 14 answers, I only got them from two users, one of whom is the one who dictated the law and who does the rollbacks. Ok probably I will not get out of this situation because I see that few are interested, so until I manage to sensitize other users on the matter, the law of the only one who decided it will apply, and that is that in the English Wikipedia the podiums of the World Cup competitions and in other Wikipedia, on the other hand, yes. Kasper2006 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: PrimeHunter posted 14 users with the page on their watchlist not 14 answers. What PrimerHunter meant is that apparently 14 users are H:Watching that page and perhaps some of those users are the ones who answered your question. When you post something on a talk page, you sometimes need to be a little patient since all users are WP:VOLUNTEERs and some pages aren't watched by as many users as others are. If you feel a reasonable amount of time has passed and still nobody has replied, then try leaving a {{Please see}} template on the talk page of the WikiProjects under whose scope the page falls. You can usually find the names of such WikiProjects at the tops of article talk pages and most of them have their own talk pages. You don't need to repost the entire discussion on the WikiProject talk page, just enough (including a link) to let the project's members know about the discussion you started on the relevant talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: It's Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer which was on the watchlist of 14 users (now 15). Non-administrators can only see "Fewer than 30 watchers" on Page information. My administrator account can see there are 15 but not who they are. Your vague post with no answers was on 27 January 2018. Page views went from 0 to 13 that day.[1] Maybe several of them were from you but I guess some of the watchers saw your edit on their watchlist and viewed the post without replying, maybe because it was unclear. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll be honest with you. It is useless to hope that the news will interest someone, we tried and it did not work. The only thing is to make my change, if the user "bold" as usual makes his rollbacks, he takes him to ANI and goodnight, it cannot be that between two people he must necessarily be right. Kasper2006 (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I did so --Kasper2006 (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

What more can be added to this article?

I have added several mainstream sources about this article Draft:La Tête et les Jambes the only reliable sources are in French. What more can I do to avoid being deleted? Dwanyewest (talk) 17:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Give the age of the series, Dwanyewest, I would think that contemporary print sources (newspaper articles?) would be your best bet if you have any access to relevant archives. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Dwanyewest! Sources in French aren't a problem. English-language sources are preferable over non-English where they exist (this being en-Wikipedia), but a source is Reliable (or not) regardless of the language it's in, and non-English sources are perfectly acceptable. For such a subject as this, I would expect the best sources to be in French, and for there to be few English ones available.

In the case of non-European languages in non-Roman scripts, such sources can slow down editing and assessment progress simply because few editors and reviewers on en-Wikipedia will be able to understand them (and computer translation is not yet optimal for encyclopaedic accuracy), but so many English speakers have a reasonable grasp of French that this won't apply. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.14 (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dwanyewest Don't worry about the article being deleted - it's in Articles for Creation now, so it's not going anywhere unless it is a blatant copyright violation or you abandon it for six months. What you do need to do is find enough sources (French-language or otherwise) to show that the show is itself notable (see WP:GNG). -- asilvering (talk) 22:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Is permission required to use a flow diagram?

Is permission required to use a flow diagram from the site? Specifically, it is the first diagram on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_processes Baumer6871 (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Baumer6871, if I click on the flow diagram, I can see the license it's released under in the bottom right corner; if I then click on the "More details" button, I can read an explanation of the licensing and other details about the image (I'm not sure if the process will be the same on your device). Reading the licensing section here will tell you the terms under which you can use the diagram. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 19:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Baumer6871 No, you do not need permission to re-use the graphic. But the licence does require you to acknowledge the username of the person whop created it. i.e. User:Mbeychok Sadly, they are deceased, but that small requirement still stands, as is the fact that you may only re-use and publish the image under the same licence. i.e. you may not claim it as your copyright. We encourage re-use of our content, and this acknowledgements is a very small price to pay. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

NAME-CALLING AND PROPOSITIONING

To whoever is out there,

I recently joined Wikipedia, believing that it would be possible for me to contribute to articles and, if necessary, highlight errors in other peoples work.

As a big fan of the British actor, Peter Wyngarde, I attempted to correct a number of inaccuracies in his biography, but was immediately closed down by another Editor/Contributor working on that page (I have heard numerously about how jealously those involved with this particular biog have guarded it, and how they will quickly see off anyone who attempts to change or add to its content).

After pointing out several pieces of misinformation in the biog, I was referred to as a "Sockpuppet" by a regular Contributor calling his or herself, ' Theheartof '. Since this is a word I had never heard before, I was obliged to look up. I have no clue what this person was getting at, but by this point I was beginning to understand why there had been so many previous reports of people being made to feel uncomfortable or bullied around the Wyngarde biography pages.

To cap this all off, I was latterly propositioned by someone calling himself ' ColinProbert ' (In the United Kingdom, gay men often use the term "Are You Handy?" when attempting to importune other gay men in public lavatories. See under title, "An obituary reported that he lived partly on social security benefits" 21:16, 10 July 2022

I joined Wikipedia to contribute, not to be abused and propositioned! Those involved with this particular biography have an appalling reputation amongst fans of Peter Wyngarde which, as I've found to my cost, is well deserved. What, if anything, can be done about this?

Thanks. TheWoolpack (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

TheWoolpack Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Where I come from, "are you handy" simply means "are you available" or even "are you good with tools"(like a handyman). I highly doubt you were being propositioned. A core tenet of Wikipedia is assume good faith. 331dot (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@331dot: The fact that this comment was the only edit coming out of the blue from a newly registered account, with "Handy" capitalized, suggests an attempt to annoy that stretches WP:AGF to the breaking point. I have reverted the edit as a personal attack. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, but I believe that I know of the person who posted that comment. He has, apparently, been trolling the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society for some years by posting this particular homophobic slogan on their Facebook page.

In 2018, when the actor passed away, this person wrote a supposed 'obituary' for one of the national daily newspapers in the UK, namely The Guardian, but was fired after over 8,000 members of the public, plus many members of the film and theatre community - including actors, writers and producers, complained about the venom contained in it. For years after, this character went to ground, but has recently resurfaced. The very fact that he is involved with that particular biography, and is posting stuff like this in an attempt to make people feel uncomfortable, is extremely troubling. It has certainly made me feel uncomfortable about using Wikipedia. TheWoolpack (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello TheWoolpack and welcome to the Teahouse! I am very sorry that you experienced anything that made you feel concerned or uncomfortable here. The user in question that wrote that in response to you has only had one edit and it was that response to you. I suspect they potentially know the meaning of what they are saying and it doesn't seem helpful. If you feel you are being targeted or if you feel your safety is at risk you may contact Trust and Safety and they may be able to help you further. One thing I would like to correct about your understanding is that Wikipedia is not a blog. This is an encyclopedia and we have articles on notable subjects. We welcome the good faith edits of contributors. Those contributions must be verified in reliable sources and included in the article in a neutral tone. You did exactly what you should have done by opening up a discussion on the articles talk page. Now there is nothing to do but wait for others to chime in but keep in mind that we are all volunteers and there is no rush to make changes to any article. --ARoseWolf 20:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

TheWoolpack,Please do no repeat your accusations on Wikipedia again. Whatever dislike you and the fan club have for the obituary, this is not the place to mention your suspicions of who the vandal was nor to discuss off-wiki trolling. Additionally, your response including grindr link is entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia. I'd note for the rest of the community that a little googling shows a fan club determined to challenge reliable sources and Wikipedia's article on the subject is active. Whether there is merit to their claims, I have no idea but at least one member has been previously banned from Wikipedia. Slywriter (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@TheWoolpack: I will also add that you started right out on Wikipedia on the wrong foot, by committing two offenses: First, you added editorial commentary or your own analysis in an article. That is forbidden (see WP:OR); such discussions always belong on the talk page. Second, you compounded the error by reasoning on on your own talk page that your commentary belongs in the article because ordinary readers wouldn't look at the talk page. That is irrelevant. The talk page is where discussions about improving the article take place. It doesn't belong in the article. I have removed the personal attack (which you interpreted as propositioning). As for the accusation of sockpuppetry (in the context of Wikipedia, a sockpuppet is another account created by someone who is blocked or banned for the purpose of evading the block or ban), that was probably uncalled for, and User:Theheartof should have opened an investigation at WP:SPI instead. However, such accusations are sometimes understandable when a brand-new editor raises prior issues that have already been dealt with repeatedly in the past. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to me. I'm new to Wikipedia so I'm not entirely familiar with it's rules and regulations, and for that I apologise. I can assure you that nothing I've said or done has been out of malice, nor has it been because I have an agenda; I certainly don't have any direct affiliation with the Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society which appears to be the suggestion. I am, however, aware that the O.P.W.A.S. have challenged Wikipedia numerously over the course of many years concerning the misinformation posted in its Peter Wyngarde biog by publishing original, contradictory documentation on its own website which has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that W.P. are in error. It does go to show that just because something appears in print (in a tabloid newspaper for instance), doesn't automatically make it a "reliable source".

Given that the lady who runs the appreciation society was in a 30-year relationship with Wyngarde, I would expect her to be vastly more informed about the man than a random contributor to an online encyclopedia, and that instead of banning her, those involved with the Wyngarde biography would have served both W.P. and those that refer to it more adequately if they had reined in their controlling natures and sought to work with her instead of alienating her. Certainly a seriously damaging accusation that originated on Wikipedia back in 2010 without any kind of source (it was posted once, removed, and then reposted a couple of years later - again without any kind of provenance), and which has since taken on a life of its own courtesy of online bloggers and social media gossips, might have been nipped in the bud. It appears that those who so jealously guard this particular biog would rather cut off their respective noses to spite their face rather than consider for a moment that they might be wrong. That's just my opinion.

I have to say that the little experience I've had of Wikipedia could not be described as pleasant. What might have been a noble enterprise by Jimmy Wales in the beginning has become a bizarre and hostile place for newbies like myself, especially if one's area of interest happens to have been appropriated by the types that rule the Wyngarde biography with the proverbial iron rod. Unquestionably, when words such as "forbidden" and "offenses" (sic) are the kind of everyday terminology used on Wikipedia by 'admins' etc., the atmosphere feels unfriendly and even autocratic. TheWoolpack (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

The fact that the lady that runs the appreciation society was in a 30-year relationship with Wyngarde is irrelevant to the policies of Wikipedia. Again, we do not have blogs here on Wikipedia. This is an online encyclopedia and we have articles. Though Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source we do have standards and policies which dictate that the subjects of our articles must receive significant coverage in reliable sources. Because of the libre mission of Wikipedia we do allow anyone to edit publicly and those edits are recorded in a history for each main space article or user space page. Even when something is reverted it is not lost but recorded in the history. The fact that articles are vandalized here on Wikipedia is a shame but is not unlike many things in life. Our volunteer editors and administrators attempt to catch all vandalism and deal with it swiftly. Some slips through and some may remain on lesser viewed articles for much longer than just a few hours or days. The nobility of Wikipedia is in its collaborative effort and ability to allow some nobody girl from Alaska the opportunity to find articles on the people her mother came from and a people that she was taken from as a child, her heritage. And then affords her the opportunity to go from that to begin editing and even creating articles on Women from that Indigenous Nation of People that didn't have articles and otherwise may have been forgotten. It allows people to come together from all walks of life, even those that disagree in principle, to work together on something that is bigger than us individually. Wikipedia will never be able to define me but it has added value to my life meeting such incredible people here. You look at the project and see something that started out noble but has degraded into something negative. I see a project that started noble and has continued that nobility even despite all the growing pains. Rather than complain about what you see wrong, try doing something about it. Either research and make edits yourself or go get something published in reliable sources yourself and maybe it will wind up here. I truly hope you do stick around and grow in your understanding of what Wikipedia is because its pretty phenomenal what is accomplished on a daily basis around here. --ARoseWolf 14:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

TheWoolpack, It was brought to my attention that I made a mistake. You were saying biog, short for biography, and not blog. When I went back to read in this format I clearly see it now. So I wanted to apologize for making that error. --ARoseWolf 12:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

There was no need to apologise, but thank you.

I am delighted that you have found such positivity in Wikipedia. Sadly, my experiences of the same has been the complete opposite. The few people I've encountered thus far I've found to be autocratic, possessive and rude. I realise now that there's no point in attempting to reason with the unreasonable, which is probably why so many victims of W.P. misinformation have set up channels on YouTube and other such platforms to counter it. I dare say that if you have never personally experienced the trauma of witnessing your name and reputation destroyed by a faceless Wikipedia 'Contributor' who resists all attempts to set the record straight, we have no right to comment. TheWoolpack (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

If you have nothing to add to this project other than bashing Wikipedia with vague claims and attacks, the log out button is here. Continuing your ranting will just lead to a block for wasting the valuable time of other volunteer editors. Frankly you have been rude from the start and yet want to complain that others treated you poorly when you have shown zero respect for other editors. WP:CIVILITY is not optional.

Now, if you would like to be productive, then here's the secret, don't be rude and do provide sources. Discuss sourcing and content on the article talk page without mentioning other editors or assuming their motives. verifiable content in reliable sources is key Slywriter (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can the primary source be inserted in the footer of the caste article?

I had a query regarding an Upa-purana section of Baidya. The relevant query can be seen on the article talk page. A piece of uninterpreted Puranic information was there in the article. The editor has resolved the issue by removing the information and inserting the same in the footnote section. As per consensus, primary sources should be avoided. Can it be inserted in the footnote section? Thanks, Regards Satnam2408 (talk) 18:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Satnam2408 welcome to Teahouse. In some situations, primary sources can be used, for non controversial claims, for example the name of a company, year a person was born. See WP:PRIMARY and WP:EXTERNAL for some additional tips. Secondary sources are of course preferred, especially for anything analytical. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Why are AFC templates being added to articles I've created in draftspace?

I create articles in draftspace so I can avoid them being draftified and going into AFC Hell where they will inevitably remain for months after submission even when perfectly suited for mainspace, so why are AFC templates added to them anyways now? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 21:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: Unless I am misreading the page history, you are the one that added it to Draft:Religious_Confucianism, and then removed it again. Can you clarify your question? RudolfRed (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Helpful to link to the article in question but reviewing your history, at least one article was deemed not ready for mainspace and moved to draft, at which point the editor's move script also added the AfC banner. Slywriter (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I see you've reverted the AFC submission (which I think was a wise thing to do) but please don't move it yourself into mainspace yet, or I or another editor may well move it back again. I suspect that the topic may well be notable (religion is not my area), but I waded through sentence after sentence or turgid text which had little logical construction or clarity. Please remember that this is an encyclopaedia, and articles ought to be understandable by the average undergraduate or high school student. If too many assumptions are made, it just becomes a 'wall of words' with little to no meaning. And that' swhat I see at the moment. The 1st and 2nd sentences of the lead were the initial stumbling blocks.

The 1st sentence just says: Religious Confucianism, the system of Religious Confucianism originated from the five religions of the Three Dynasties and the Jongmyo rites. Please explain that; and if you can do so simply, please use your explanation as the first sentence to replace the current one. We need to first know what the concept is, and only then to know where it comes from. Don't define a concept by saying it's the concept - that is meaningless.

The second sentence is equally illogically constructed, namely: Ritual music system, which gradually disintegrated during the Western Zhou Dynasty, Confucius founded Confucianism in order to revive the Ritual music [zh] based on the ideal of restoration of the king's way. To me, this sounds like someone who has simply translated another language Wikipedia page without actually understanding what it means, or how to communicate the concepts in clear, plain English.

I'm afraid you have a huge amount of work still to do on this article before it is ready for mainspace, and I suggest removing a lot of the waffle that you do not understand (or fear that others may not understand) and stick to defining what this topic actually is so that a layman can comprehend and appreciate what it is, and use a browser translate button to check and verify your cited sources (many of which also need a lot of cleaning up, by the look of things).

This may all sound rather harsh, but I hope it will help you make a better article - and thank you for your desire to bring this topic to a wider audience in due course. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes yeah it needs a lot of improvement. I imagine the article will be about a third smaller by the time I want to move it into mainspace. It's a big article and has a lot of parts I already removed because of being uncited or low quality Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Immanuelle Great. Thank you for your understanding. Good luck with the draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Immanuelle "Religious Confucianism, formed by the religiousization of Confucianism during the Qing Dynasty, is also a branch of Religious Confucianism". That is saying that Religious Confucianism is a branch of Religious Confucianism. I see you are still working on this; carry on! 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Calgary Intl Airport

Hello. In third line of lede paragraph, it says YYC is 5,140 acres when it says clearly in its factsheet it is 5,144 acres. Can you change the conversion so it converts to the proper acreage? All other conversions are right.(Sqmi,Hectares). Thank you for your time. Theairportman33531 (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Theairportman33531, thanks for pointing that out! I've changed it as such; it's weird that the conversion template is inaccurate. I'd like to add, though, you should bring such article-specific problems in the article's talk page next time-- this is a forum for questions on general Wiki editing. GeraldWL 02:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

can you please help me to upload my picture

upload my picture Philipmampad (talk) 02:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Philipmampad, can you be more specific? Why do you think your photo belongs on Wikipedia? You can upload photos taken by you on Wikimedia Commons. GeraldWL 02:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Drafting a new page

Hello, the Teahouse community! I am planning to draft a new article for an online knowledge database for historical resources which is free for the public to access. The name of the web application is Engineering Historical Memory (EHM) which has won some international awards and been mentioned in several scholarly publications (peer-reviewed journals, book etc.).

I'm part of the research team for this online database and understand that I need to disclose COI when submitting the article for the AfC review. I've previously submitted a draft for review but it had been removed due to promotional language and excess external links. I will definitely take note of these issues when drafting a new page later on and try my best to ensure neutrality with reliable and independent sources. I will also refer to some existing knowledge base Wiki-pages to see how they structure and present information.

I would like to seek the community's kind help to provide some more suggestions on any other things that I should pay attention to apart from the above, please? Thank you in advance for your support. Sincerely, ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ArgonautOfHistory. Your very first step is to comply with the Paid contributions disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable, and applies whenever you edit regarding a topic where you have a financial interest, even when you are not paid specifically to edit Wikipedia. My second recommendation is to be honest about why your previous draft was deleted. The reason was that it was an unambiguous copyright violation. So, be extremely careful about copyright, and follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines going forward. Please read and study Your first article, and follow all of the advice you will find there. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)·

Thank you for sharing the above! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

For the Kalaripayattu / Kalarippayattu article

I had changed the spelling of the martial-art form to Kalarippayattu. But a user with more expertise in the field reverted it back to the other spelling in good faith. However, I need to revise the title of a book which is mentioned in the same article. It is written as 'Kalarippayattu – A Complete Guide to Kerala’s Ancient Martial Art', but I would like to change it to 'Kalarippayattu – The Complete Guide to Kerala’s Ancient Martial Art'. How do I approach this? Nickkoshy (talk) 07:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Nickkoshy, regardless of how the article title is spelled, make sure that the book title in the article is spelled exactly the same as the title on the cover. You would change the title just as you would edit anything in the article. If the book is part of a source citation, you will (in edit mode) find the book's information listed in the same position as the citation number standing in for it in the article. You can't edit a source citation/reference in the References section. Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quisqualis (talk • contribs) 08:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to add that, strictly speaking, the official title of a book is that shown on the title page. Very occasionally that shown on the cover is altered for display or design purposes.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Nickkoshy (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Linguistic purism

Hi there,

What's the policy here when a user (any user) makes mass changes to replace a word they simply don't like (for example: replacing word loans or pseudo-loans with more English words because they think it's "substandard English", even though the word has been in reference dictionaries like the Oxford English Dictionary or Merriam-Webster for a long time)?

Thanks. Thibaut (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear. There's quite a lot of this around. Well, what's this particular user up to, exactly? Imaginably it's harmless, but imaginably it takes the prose back to that of a (supposed?) past. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Thibaut120094: Oh dear, indeed. There are a couple of potential problems with that kind of editing. It might very well change the meaning of a sentence and introducde factual errors. A "more English" word (in the sense of being descended from Old English rather than having entered the language from Norman French or Latin or Persian or some other language) might mean something pretty different from the loanword it replaces. And making undiscussed mass changes that are not uncontroversial is problematic whatever the reason is (I mean, even if the replacement word is equally correct, it doesn't follow that the other word is "substandard", especially if other editors do not agree). There are words that are not ideal to use in an encyclopedia, but it doesn't really seem like that's the issue here. If your question is connected to the discussion here it looks like the editor making these changes needs to stop what they are doing. --bonadea contributions talk 12:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Strange blank area

Why do Wikipedia articles leave a large blank and textless area on the right side of the table of contents? I think it's stylistically weak. If it is a programmatic problem, then it could be solved in several ways: 1) possible local variables in the table of contents could be changed to global ones; 2) the width of the inner edge of the text frame on the right may be larger at the beginning; 3) the width of the text frame can be constant, so that the text of long lines continues to the next one, at the same time we would get rid of some very narrow tables of contents. 4) Lastly, the article text could flow free on the right side of the text frame like they flow beside other boxes. Please answer this question and not start changing the subject to vector 2022. Please do not redirect to the programmers' page. The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish hyphens for ISBN numbers and not the American practice. I had 3 references for the hyphens. The answer was one word: "Invalid". Maybe not a war invalid. Jari Rauma (talk) 11:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Jari Rauma. Not addressing your main concerns, but in case your last sentence expresses genuine perplexity: there are two English words with the same spelling but different meanings – "in'valid" (emphasis on the first syllable) means "someone confined to bed while suffering or recovering from illness or injury", while "inval'id" means, "not valid, or "wrong format" etc. Doubtless the latter was meant, and would have been a completely automated response; I'm sure no human was trying to be brusque. {The poster formerly known as 87.18,230.195} 90.193.130.14 (talk) 16:06, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jari Rauma The blank area is there because it's always been there, it's just the way the table of contents was implemented a decade ago when the vector skin was designed. I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to "local and global variables" or why that would have anything to do with the display of the page, The display of the page is set using CSS. The look of the vector skin has been constant for over a decade and changing fundamentals with the display of the skin at this point would be extremely controversial, so it is extremely unlikely (in my opinion) that the developers would change the way the table of contents is displayed at this point. The new skin that is being worked on, vector 2022, does not embed the table of contents in the article at all, so that it doesn't interrupt the display of the text. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, sir.

You wrote: " I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to "local and global variables" or why that would have anything to do with the display of the page,". – These variables are basic stuff in programming languages. If the dimension is defined as a local variable and after that static, the variable can only be changed locally. Or the text flow -function doesn't work with the context frame, because the context frame -function has forbidden it by placing a signal: we're are busy, don't write stuff on the right side. So the text flow -function has to wait for a global signal: now the text frame is ready and now the text flow -function can start.

I know that the error has continued for over 10 years. Here is one clarification to my question about the large empty area on the right side of the table of contents (if you didn't understand) and one example. The text: " The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish hyphens for ISBN numbers and not the American practice." should be "The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish practice of placing hyphens between ISBN numbers and not the American practice". Here is one example of a strangely large white area. How stupid! but maybe it's nice for some high-class people who never take notice of their mistakes. And what's your opinion or is it illegal, because in Wikipedia you must ask others what you see: Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration Look it carefully and honestly.

So, You still changed the subject although I forbade. You want to change the subject to Vector 2022. I have a question about that, too. Why does Vector 2022 shows always the index? It's cumbersome. I don't want always to see a book's index when I'm reading a book. But that's the primitive way to narrow the article text column. Maybe you began to understand that narrower columns are easier to read. I have always thought that 1-column articles are from the Stone age. Newspapers got rid of them a few hundred years ago. Jari Rauma (talk) 13:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Jari Rauma I've moved your comment to here- please edit this existing section for follow up comments, instead of creating a new section. 331dot (talk) 13:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jari Rauma I still don't understand what you are talking about with "global or local variables"? I know what a global or local variable is, but I don't see how concepts from programming languages are relevant to a mark up language, where you think these variables are located or what relevance they have to how the page is displayed. Do you know how websites work, because a lot of the stuff you're saying about "text flow fuctions" and "context frame functions" and "signals" don't make any sense. Wikipedia is, for the most part, a relatively plain HTML document with a bit of CSS to make it look pretty.

Problems with ISBNs on wikidata and their integration with Finnish standards should be directed to the wikidata help forum, this help page is for issues with the English wikipedia and most people here will not have the knowledge to be able to help you with that problem.

I know exactly what you are talking about when you mention the white space next to the table of contents - the point is that it isn't a bug - it was intentionally designed to look that way. The current skin is essentially now being preserved for the sake of people who like the existing skin and who don't want to update - making huge changes to the appearance of pages doesn't make any sense at this point. The efforts to improve the table of content and make it less obstructive to the have gone into the new vector 2022 skin, if you don't want to use it that's fine, but if you're going to stick to a skin that was made a decade ago you aren't going to get new features and are going to be presented with a website that looks exactly like it did 10 years ago.

You might be able to hack something together with some custom CSS or JavaScript to do what you want but I'm not aware of any existing user scripts that do wat you describe. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

2022Sir, you can ask more questions about programming from Wikidata. I hope you get a better answer than "invalid". Wikidata shows a bug in two places. In the Finnish Wikipedia articles, the ISBN numbers are hyphenated the same way as book stores do in Finland. And one of the sources said: "The use of hyphens or spaces has no lexical significance and is purely to enhance readability." (ISBN manual, 2017 p. 11) [2]. So this is perhaps also "invalid" according the guys in Wikidata.

Sir, I prefer professional Wikiwanda to Vector 2022. New Vector has copied a little from modern Wikiwanda-style, but Vector 2022 comes far behind. The main problem is that Vector 2022 still has a big program bug with graphics. It has inherited it from vector 2010. But I write about it later here, because I'm not invalid. By the way, do you notice the big mistake? Perhaps you can figure it out by comparing Wikiwanda and Vector 2022. Jari Rauma (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jari Rauma: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're referring to the wide margins around the main content, that is intentional (though not necessarily well-received). See mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

my article got speedy deletion

my first article got the speedy deletion although I have not promoted or advertised any company. Please review it PatrickSmith07 (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

PatrickSmith07 At the moment, Draft:Learnbay still exists, but is tagged for Speedy deletion. You responded on your Talk page, which will have no effect. You also replied properly on the Talk page of the article, which is the right place. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Learnbay

@PatrickSmith07 The article hasn't been deleted yet, but it will meet the criteria for deletion as advertising or promotion (WP:G11). The entire thing is full of puffery, "inspirational"/promotional language and seems to exist purely to promote the company, text like Going out of the box, he dreamt of such a business that will shape the future of professionals. or Mrs. Nisha Kumari was already holding an outstanding level of people management skills, but her passion was searching for such a role, where she could drive job seekers to their best level of career growth and security. are completely inappropriate for an encyclopaedia.

Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written from a neutral point of view, avoiding promotion, and should summarise what independent, reliable sources say about the subject. Huge chunks of this draft are completely unsourced and it would need a 100% rewrite to stand any chance at all of being accepted. Start by finding a few pieces of independent, reliable, non-trivial coverage of this company, then base your draft around what those sources say.

Finally, if you are editing here as part of your job or you expect to receive compensation for your edits please follow the instructions at WP:PAID to make the required disclosures. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 11:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I am going to rewrite the article with more neutral PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

If you are an employee or paid, declare that on your User page. If not paid or compensated or have a personal connection to the company, declare that on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not paid writer or employee of this compnay PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a personal connection to the founders? Or unpaid connection to the company - for example, as a student? See WP:COI for how to declare. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I am editing the draft content. I start research about this company after read the new on financial express https://www.financialexpress.com/education-2/learnbay-goes-offline-with-brick-and-mortar-centres-ends-fy22-with-a-net-profit-of-rs-3-2-crore/2590829/ PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

The draft has been Speedy deleted, meaning all public record of creation and edits are no longer visible at your account. If you wish to recover content, you can ask the deleting administrator. Be aware that a draft on Learnbay had been created and deleted in June as promotional and copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I was the nominator of the CSD G11, and absolutely don't agree that a draft should be started again (Thanks for your help. I am going to rewrite the article with more neutral would be hard if you have a conflict of interest). Like what said before, some of the article is a blatant ad: see Mrs. Nisha Kumari was already holding an outstanding level of people management skills, but her passion was searching for such a role, where she could drive job seekers to their best level of career growth and security. Also, please declare a COI if possible. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Chart editing

Hello! I've noticed that the 2020 United States Presidential Election page has, in its Election Results chart, a section that shows the margin that the popular vote by party for a particular state swung from 2016 to 2020, but other elections don't have that. So I'm planning on adding that to the other presidential elections, but I can't figure out how to add a new column to the chart. How do I do this? Macegav4774 (talk) 12:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Macegav4774: I think you're referring to the chart in this section? 2020 United States presidential election#Results by state That's called a wikitable. This may help Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, and that is the table, but I don't know how to add a new cell like it tells me to do. How do I do that? Macegav4774 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

How do I expand a article

Hi im new here and im interested in expanding michiya haruhata’s wiki article but I don’t know what I should add should it be lots of references or accomplishments and if so what kind of accomplishments or do I find information about said person to add 2A00:23C7:6996:B201:40B3:34C7:2447:D8AB (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I would like to state thought that I am not a Japanese speaker so it may prove relatively difficult for me to find reliable sources of information such as news or particularly news papers so recommendations would be highly appreciated(he is a Japanese musician so Japanese music related news sources would be highly preferable) and also would like to inquire if possible to what is required to prove his notability do I need references from news sources on him or will I need awards and rankings and lastly when if or when I make these changes do I need to contact anyone to fact check or confirm these changes and also to remove the thing that says that said article is a stub or lacks some important attributes “thank you for you precious time any replies would be highly appreciated” 2A00:23C7:6996:B201:40B3:34C7:2447:D8AB (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I have now gained an account it’s goldsoldier75 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldsoldier75 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Goldsoldier75 (talk) 15:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Goldsoldier75, and welcome to the Teahouse.

To take your questions in order:

• The information you should add is, primarily, what independent sources say about him. A limited amount of information can be added from non-independent sources (such as his own website, or interviews with him), but most of an article should come from independent reliable sources. Do not add anything which you can find only from social media or from sites that are there to sell thing.
• Wikipedia policy requires that all information in an article be found in a reliable published source. Policy does not insist that every piece of information actually be cited to a source, but reviewers prefer if it is, especially in am article about a living person. Since you must have found the information in a reliable source in order to put it in the article, why not cite it?
• Awards and rankings are certainly the kind of information which goes in an article. Ideally, they will be cited to an independent source (not just to the organisation that gave the award, for example), but there is some room for discretion. It makes a difference whether the award is a widely recognised prestigious thing, or something a minor magazine or publisher has invented to sell things.
• Sources do not have to be in English, as long as they are reliable. But of course if you can't read Japanese, that may not help you. I don't know where to suggest you go for information about sources for Japanese music, but somebody at WP:WikiProject Japan may be able to help.
• You don't need to check with anybody before editing. If you think your changes might be contentious, or you're not sure how best to do them, it's worth starting a discussion on the article's talk page first; but if you're reasonably confident about your change, just make it. If somebody disagrees with it, they may revert you edit, and then you can start a discussion. See WP:BRD.
• That applies to the cleanup tags as well: if you think that you have addressed an issue, you can remove the relevant tag. (Notice the box with the tags has a link "(Learn how and when to remove these template messages)"

I hope these notes help : please come back and ask further if anything isn't clear. If you haven't read WP:NMUSIC and WP:YFA, they may help as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much kind sir you have been a great help if I have any other questions I will most certainly ask you Goldsoldier75 (talk) 18:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Uploading images

I tried uploading the logo of the Satakunnan Kansa newspaper to Wikimedia Commons. It didnt work because the image title was descriptive enough.

What am i supposed to do? Nothing worked, i changed the title many times and all got rejected. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 14:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kilaseell. As far as I can see from their website, the only thing I would call a logo is the particular font and typeface they use for their name. This is below the threshold for copyright protection and you should be able to upload a version to Commons by following the procedures laid out at WP:LOGO. If something doesn't work, please explain in more detail what errors result. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I know how to upload images and everything, i even gave it the correct copyright tag. I tried to give the image a name but it just says that the title has to be more descriptive. I do not know why this happens, it just happens. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 15:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I got it to work now! --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 15:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Access to User pages

Is there a way a "civilian" can access my User page? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pete Best Beatles and welcome to the Teahouse. All information published on Wikipedia, either on articles or pages, is public and recorded. To answer your question directly, yes, anyone can view your user page. --ARoseWolf 14:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

But not everyone can edit it, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#User pages. Lectonar (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

How can they access it? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Depends on what you mean by "access", Pete Best Beatles? Do you mean, view it or edit it? --ARoseWolf 14:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Simply view it. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can do that simply by clicking on your Username in a post like the one you have just made, or from the edit history of any article you have contributed to. Clearly, it helps the collaboration necessary within Wikipedia that user Pages and associated Talk Pages are readily available. Etiquette means that I would rarely if ever edit another user's page unless they had asked me to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, by clicking on your User page and then View history, editors can see past versions of your User page, even if you have deleted content, so take care in what you say about yourself! David notMD (talk) 15:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I apologize if I'm not being clear. I want to know how I can direct an "outsider" to my User page - what phrase would they need to search with? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pete Best Beatles you can link it like this. --ARoseWolf 15:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

User pages are not indexed by search engines, so no "phrase" will work: the URL as supplied above would be needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

To search internally they would need to enter User:Pete Best Beatles in the "Search Wikipedia" bar and it would have the same affect as the provided url. --ARoseWolf 15:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, everybody. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Notability for films

Hi, I want to confirm whether the criteria "...The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking..." includes all possible categories like direction, acting, music, editing, cinematography, and others for a movie? Would a film be notable if it has received only 1 award for "best supporting actor" category? Thanks! Insight 3 (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Insight 3. That language is intended to indicate that such a film is likely to be notable, but it is not a guarantee that an article about the film will be accepted. As the guideline says, The following are attributes that generally indicate, when supported with reliable sources, that the required sources are likely to exist. In the end, a contemporary film must have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, although those sources do not have to be readily available online. Cullen328 (talk) 15:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! I am asking this particularly in context of older films where online press coverage is hard to find. To be more precise, I talking about a film:

1) released in 1976

2) with not enough press

3) received one award in best supporting category and this is supported by reliable online sources

Insight 3 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Insight 3, if there is "not enough press", as you put it, then how will you be able to write a verifiable and informative encyclopedia article about the film? Cullen328 (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Help needed improving article on Fernando Amorsolo

Hello experienced Wikipedia editors,

I just want to ask for valuable input on how to further improve the page of Fernando Amorsolo, Filipino National Artist for Painting. I'm putting the links below:

Published Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Amorsolo New Sandbox article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prof.PMarini/sandbox

As a practice for the process of editing in Wikipedia, I translated the Filipino article about Fernando Amorsolo, even if there is already an existing article in English. If you review both, you will see that there are still significant differences between the two. With your experience and expertise, please help me decide which sections from the new sandbox article may be used to improve the existing published article.

Thank you very much! Prof.PMarini (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

You are asking for far to much from Teahouse hosts who are here to provide general advice, but not in-depth article research. As you pointed out, Fernande Amorsolo exists. It was created in 2006 and has been edited >1000 times. You have created a longer version in your Sandbox, stating that this is a translation of an existing Filipino article. What I recommend is that on the Talk page of English Wikipedia, you intend to add/subtract content based on the Filipino article. Then, make a series of modest-sized edits to the English article, with references, each time explaining in the Edit summary where the new content came from. If you are reverted by another editor, invite that person to a discussion on the Talk page, in an effort to achieve consensus. Be aware that English Wikipedia has higher requirements for verifying references compared to some other-language Wikipedias. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the advise.

Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

David meant to link Fernando Amorsolo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you.

Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

To make a actress page semi protected

Hi, Can anyone help me in making Manju Warrier article into semi protected. Many vandalism edits are made in the article. I wish to improve the article. If this vandalism edits are occurring again and again, it makes me difficult to improve the edits. Can anyone please help me out for this issue.Paavamjinn (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Paavamjinn: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may try and request semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Hi Paavamjinn. as far as I can see, one editor, who is not an IP, has been adding uncited material to that article and they have already been warned on their Talk Page about this by an experienced editor also working there. Note that vandalism has a very specific meaning (see WP:VANDALISM) that probably doesn't apply in this case. I suggest you start making your additions and for the moment just wait to see how things develop. More information at WP:SEMIGUIDE if you need it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Paavamjinn: I have semi-protected the article for six months, escalating the prior duration. Note that semi protection would not protect against edits from accounts more than 5 days old with more than 10 edits, which is going to be the case in the next couple of days for one editor you reverted. @Michael D. Turnbull: while I agree it is not vandalism, the article has suffered from disruption, and has been protected multiple times previously for the same reason. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist@Michael D. Turnbull@Tenryuu I need to add correct birth year in the article. But the news links are not available. But I have the government issue ID card of the individual. So can I use that as a proof for adding the correct year of birth in the article.Paavamjinn (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Paavamjinn How do you have access to this person's ID? In any event, it is not acceptable as a source, as it is not publicly available. 331dot (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

That's correct. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Sources should publicly-available publications that can be verified by anyone. Personal knowledge, tribal knowledge, private documents, etc. aren't acceptable. If no such source exists for a year of birth, then simply omit it from the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@331dot@Anachronist currently I don't have access to it. I just asked about its there any chance or not. Thats itPaavamjinn (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but that's not what you said, you said ". But I have the government issue ID card of the individual". 331dot (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

can I create portuguese of portugal finacial literacy content?

Hello Wikipedia contributors thank you so much for the volunteer work.

I'm not new to wikipedia in 2008 I tried to post some content about financial literacy but some people from Brasil block it. I didn't want to put personal advertising for books or my classes just prefer to share the knowledge that can do poverty relief.And do translation from English to Portuguese of Portugal so all the expertise will be available for all. Honestly I prefer not to post any content in a Portuguese Brazilian page because the way we write is considered wrong. I value very much community feedback from Brazilian and other contributors but being blocked just because I write in Portuguese of Portugal is not fair.https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finanças_pessoais thank you,best regards Rosina Ramos (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Rosina Ramos: this is the english Wikipedia, we cannot help you with problems over at the Portuguese Wikipedia. I can't read Portuguese, but from what it seems pt:Finanças pessoais is tagged as being undersourced. Their equivalent of the Teahouse seems to be pt:Ajuda:Tire suas dúvidas. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you very much Victor Schmidt I will pose the question at pt ajuda. Financial literary subjects are new to the world and more newer in Portugal although we have already great expertise and proven results in the field, most of them are not PhD's in consumer economics to be regarded as valid. Rosina Ramos (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

How to create a glossary

Greetings. I have seen many glossaries on Wikipedia, and I'm asking myself: how are those glossaries created? How can I create one myself while respecting Wikipedia's guidelines? NikoPalad67140 (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, NikoPalad67140. You can find guidance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Glossaries. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Question About Citations

Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone.

For some context, I'm an extremely new editor (created an account only three or four days ago) and have mostly contributed to basketball/NBA pages since that's my general interest.

If I wanted to describe how a certain player performed in a specific game like a debut game or a game where they got a career/season high in points, shot attempts, etc., would it be appropriate to use a box score as a citation? Or would it follow Wikipedia standards better if I used a credible news article that reported that information?

If there's a WP page or another question forum which could give me an answer for this, I'd greatly appreciate that information as well.

Thank you for your assistance. Some Guy Named Brandon (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Everything needs citation unless it falls in the WP:SKYISBLUE category. See Help:Citing sources and WP:Reliable sources. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

These pages helped out my situation. Thank you for responding, @NewsAndEventsGuy. Some Guy Named Brandon (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome; In that topic area things you also need to know might include WP:BLP, WP:OR, and WP:NPOV. Each of those pages will mention a corresponding "noticeboard". I suggest adding the noticeboards to your watch list and just following the conversations, regardless of topics,to get up to speed on how experienced eds (eds=editors) apply those three policies.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

gadget for Efficient copying of named refs

I'm doing some Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, and my goal is to include the cited refs when I paste the copied text elsewhere. Sometimes the citation template is not in the copied block. Instead it might simply be called via a named ref tag. Do we have a gadget that will handle automatic referencing. i.e., something that will look up the citation in the named ref and populate the template in the copied block? Or do you have to look them each up individually and do a manual copy? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Just FYI, at the moment the project is to copy paragraphs discussing claims of 2020 election fraud into some research notes and possible outline article presently in my userspace here . NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Assessing an Article's Quality

Hello! I've been editing the page for Partial autocorrelation function on and off for a while and I think I've improved it enough to remove the "lacking inline citations" message at the top of the article and maybe promote it to a C-class article. However, I might be biased since I'm the one who worked on the article. Is there a place where I can "sanity-check" myself and ask a more experienced editor to look at the article and judge it? Thank you so much for your volunteer work! Moon motif (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Moon motif: If you can incorporate that NIST page as an inline citation, as well as find a citation for the definition, it's fine to remove the "lacking inline citations" message. It would be fine now, but if you're interested in further citation improvements, that's my suggestion. I made a small stylistic correction (Wikipedia doesn't use title case in headings; see MOS:HEADINGS). ~Anachronist (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Moon motif. I have been editing here for 13 years, and have upgraded articles from stub to start many, many times. Far too many articles are called "stubs" that are fairly informative and are really no longer stubs. The only ratings that require a consensus are Featured articles and Good articles. Any individual editor can upgrade (or downgrade) such sub GA articles, as long they are acting in good faith. The delineations between Start, C, and B are vague and highly subjective. I encourage you not to think too much about such fine distinctions. Focus, instead, on writing and expanding better articles that are more informative for our readers (and ourselves). That is our real purpose here. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for your responses! Moon motif (talk) 06:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Denniss

HE keeps deleting my categories in stuff bc SeLF pROPelLeD gUNS aRE noT TanKS AND I AM SICK OF HIM. THATS MY ISSUE. Simohayhafan (talk) 21:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Simohayhafan, step away from Wikipedia and go have a cup of tea (or other beverage of choice), then discuss the issue on either their user talk page or the article page. Do not continue with your inappropriate edit summaries. Slywriter (talk) 21:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Simohayfan, please read about WP:Consensus. Wikipedia works by consensus, which sometimes involves compromise. Charging in with all guns blazing is not conducive to achieving consensus - irrespective of whether you are right or not. ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Simohayfan, I think it might look as if a number of people (including me) have piled on to you. I want to say that: I get that you are frustrated and angry, and I'm guessing that it feels as if you're not being heard. You feel strongly about something, and you can't see why other people don't agree. That's not a comfortable position to be in, and it's understandable that you get angry and a bit shouty. The trouble is, that makes it even harder for people to hear you, because they have to get past the wall of anger that you have built. I second the advice to step away for a bit, and give yourself a chance to calm down. If you allow yourself to really hear what people are saying back to you about the things that you feel strongly about, and show that you have heard them, there's a greater chance that they will be willing to listen to your point of view. That doesn't mean that you will necessarily get your way: as I said above, Wikipedia works by consensus, and there is often compromise required. But it will save you the pain of living in anger. ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

How to rename categorys

since spgs apparently are not tanks i want to know how to rename so i can add the stugs and jagd series of tanks to my thing without them being deleted 1 min later. Simohayhafan (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Renaming categories is rarely something that should be be done without discussion. Given that you have already been involved in an acrimonious dispute, it would be doubly foolish to try and do so. (In addition to which , your choice of words suggests that this is pointy, which is another reason not to do it). Get consensus first. ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I peeked at the source venue and your talk pages....my advice is first read WP:CIVIL from start to finish. Then stop editing of a week but each day read WP:ANI. Then read the essay WP:Writing for the opponent. When you master the skill in the last one, that will help you remain CIVIL and not take the WP:BAIT which will help you stay out of WP:ANI. And then you will be ready to try to solve the underlying problem,maybe with the tools of WP:Dispute resolution. But don't bother if you are still pissed, because trying to form a consensus when you are one voice against many while angry is like trying to cross the English Channel in a paddleboat while drilling holes in the hull. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Here is some additional advice, Simohayhafan. Stop hollering in all caps and with strange formatting. Write like a serious, level headed, thoughtful adult. Cullen328 (talk) 00:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikicite reference

In "Further reading" under Emancipation Proclamation, one book is listed as follows:

• Foner, Eric. The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery (W. W. Norton, 2010)

I want to link Eric Foner to his Wikipedia article, but I don't know how to do so with a wikicite reference. I also don't know what a wikicite reference is, or why this book alone, of all those listed under "Further reading," uses this format. Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC) (You will have to click "Edit source" to see the wikicite reference.) Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC) I could redo the book listing without the wikicite reference, but I first want to find out whether there is some reason for it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: A common reason for things like this is that the person who added that was well intentioned but did not know how to use the citation templates. Or it could be laziness. In any case, it's good to make them consistent, so if you want to, go right ahead. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks; I've listed the book without a template, using double brackets to link Foner to his Wikipedia page. This is always how I add books, even if other books use the template that requires using author-link= to link an author's name. I don't see a need for consistency, because it appears consistent to readers; it is inconsistent only when an editor is in "Edit source." And I don't see what purpose the template serves. Often it forces punctuation on you that you don't want; sometimes it results in a comma and a period side by side and I can't get rid of one of them. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I use templates precisely so that I don't have to worry about the formatting, and because the template reminds me of the fields that are required (and those that are optional). But it's not required. ColinFine (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Create a wiki page for myself

Hello,

I recently had a Wikipedia page declined for myself and I would just like to know the basics of creating a page for myself. I suppose a template I could use would help me greatly.

I'm completely new to creating pages for Wikipedia so I can't come to grasp the concept of what's written in the instructions just yet. If you would like to know abit about myself then please just ask.

Thanks in advance

Paul Yorke Oimatrixio (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and many thanks for your edits! Presumably, a more experienced editor would inform you more, but I strongly advice against creating a WP page for yourself. That's considered as you having a Conflict of Interest. The guideline says that you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly, if you write a promo-like article, it would probably be deleted under the Criteria for Speedy Deletion ones under A7 or G11. So, I think other editors would probably also advice against creating an autobiography. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oimatrixio. Start by reading WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, and perhaps read it several times so that it really sinks in. Then read and study Wikipedia's Notability guideline for people. Ask yourself how you meet that standard, and explain it to us. Then, read and study Your first article to understand how great the challenge is before you. In theory, it is possible that someone could write an acceptable Wikipedia autobiography. Maybe a longtime Wikipedia editor who just won a Pulitzer Prize, for example. Such a long time editor would be happy to have someone else write that article, though. Well over 99% of such efforts end up failing. Cullen328 (talk) 01:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response! Oimatrixio (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

When people try to create an article about themselves, it is almost always the case that they have failed to understand what Wikipedia is and what it is not, and think that "having a page" is a way of promoting themselves - i.e., telling the world about themselves - like having a page on Facebook or LinkedIn. It is not: this is an encyclopaedia, and promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Unable to sign in

Have been able to edit articles previously to improve the service but now keeps saying user name is already in use and won't let me in. Have tried repeatedly to sign in to no avail. 69.118.145.247 (talk) 03:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

If you're having issues logging in, check out this guide on login issues. StartOkayStop (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

That link goes to the wrong place when I use it. This one goes to the relevant page. However, being told the username already exists suggests you're trying to register a new account rather than log into an existing one, so are you simply following the wrong link? Neiltonks (talk) 09:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

film

I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I just can't find it. Can feature length films be a source. Also, I'm trying to create my user page just to let you know. It seems very hard. Someone told me to use an Adventure Game, but when I went there, there were so many games, and I couldn't find anything about plaing a game that it will help you build your page. and my subject has wriitten 10 books. Can I use sources in his books? MikiBishop (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC) MikiBishop (talk) 05:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@MikiBishop You can, for example, use a WP:RS documentary film as a source if it's relevant to a specific article, use Template:Cite AV media. See also MOS:PLOTSOURCE. To create your WP:USERPAGE, click the redlinked "MikiBishop" in your signature just above, type something, and publish. If you're trying to make a WP:BLP, it doesn't matter how many books your subject has written, you have to meet the demands of WP:N. You need WP:RS independent of your subject that writes about them in some detail, not just mention their name. More info on starting an article at WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you so much. yes, trying to make sure I have reliable sources. I've been reading those pages for three or four times each now. laugh. I'm really grateful. I've been working on this for days, and I'm still confused about exactly how to do things. I'll follow your advice and thank you again very much. MikiBishop (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I Wrote a Article About Sri lankan Film maker Indika Wicramarachchi and i upload to the Wikipedia. but nobody can search that Article by his name Indika Wicramarachchi

I Wrote a Article About Sri lankan Film maker Indika Wicramarachchi and i upload to the Wikipedia. but nobody can search that Article by his name Indika Wicramarachchi. this is the link of my Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox Wicsakiwdss (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Wicsakiwdss, User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox is not a Wikipedia article. It's a draft of an article that you have created in your user sandbox. As it's not an article, it's not indexed by search engines. In its current state, it is not acceptable as an article because it cites no references, and so does not establish that its subject is notable enough to warrant article status. Maproom (talk) 06:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new Article

Hi there, I have a question. I’m new here at Wikipedia. How do I create an article. Do I do it via sandbox or where? If you could reply on my talk page, I can try it out there. Thank you Teahouse. Yours sincerely Germerican220 (talk) 07:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Germerican220, Hi and welcome! Creating an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience is hard, so it's recommended to get used to simpler editing first, and you need to learn how to use references correctly, this is essential, WP:TUTORIAL has a guide for that.

My personal method is to start the article via Wikipedia:Drafts#Creating_and_editing_drafts. Take your time to get it right, make sure WP:N is met (if you can't meet the demands there, your article will not be accepted), and when you're done you can submit it for review. Note that the "Publish" button here only means you are publishing/changing the draft as a draft, not an actual article, so don't be afraid to use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Germerican220 (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Germerican220. There are a couple of ways to create a new article. Since you're a new user without yet having established a track record of creating acceptable articles, I suggest you use Wikipedia:Articles for creation just to familiarize yourself with the process. However, I first suggest that you take a look at this and this for some general guidance on what types of subjects tend to be considered OK to create articles about, and also this for some general guidance how articles should be written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man Germerican220 (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You appear to be evading a block here User:CLathrop202020. Theroadislong (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

my experience with what I thought should be an undisputed minor editing

Hi! In the article of Hospitality Club I've run into an issue that I'd like to discuss and hope it is the right place here:

1. Sometimes companies, software products, etc. just run out of business. If they got unimportant over the time, there might be no media coverage anymore. Which means that there is no valid source we can use for mentioning that this product/club/company is not active anymore. The English Wikipedia seems to be very strict on that, but shouldn't we discuss if there is a better way how to deal with these things instead of having an article that sounds like everything still is in business?
2. I already tried 3O and RfC to discuss the matter in the mentioned article. The whole process of discussing and solving these issues is rather complicated and not welcoming at all. Also you run into experienced users who seem to know the rules by heart but are not willing to show a collaborative behaviour (even if they were told already to do so on their talk page). I'm not a native English speaker, so I just sporadically do minor edits here where things do not get too complicated. Usually I do a lot more work in the Wikipedia in my language. Still I was surprised that the English Wikipedia feels to be so much more stubborn and unwelcoming. Just wanted to mention that this does not seem to be the attitude you'll get new editors to stay involved.

There were the two points I'd like to mention after that experiece. Not an important article though, but maybe it's possible to find better ways how to deal with certain things. - Flexman (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

On your first point, a WP:ABOUTSELF source, if available, could work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. If I understand, you mean things the company published about themselves? Well unfortuntately their last statment was promising some things followed by years of inactivity. They even didn't do a "we are closing" statement. Flexman (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Then per WP:OR etc, there's not much to do, I think. I'm unaware of any WP:RS that keeps public records on former companies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

How do I add a page to an article

I have no idea what the official name is so I’m just saying page but on the michiya haruhata page I want to add a part about the j league and I’m not sure how to create it but I want it to work like the references page were you can collapse or expand it thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 08:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Michiya Haruhata It appears that you added content about his song being used by the J league (professional football in Japan). IS there still a question? David notMD (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

No I have fixed it thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can I anyone direct me to the guide for uploading pictures of

I would like to add a picture of Michiya haruhata is his page has none but I do not know how but I assume there is an existing guide ThanksGoldsoldier75 (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Goldsoldier75 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Information on uploading images can be found at WP:UPIMAGE. Note that you cannot just take any random picture you find and upload it. It's much easier if you have taken the image yourself with your own camera. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Is Getty images a okay place to get photos from Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 09:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

No, but Wikimedia Commons is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

And the risk of sounding rude why is Getty images not allowed Is it a copyright problem? Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 09:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they make money by selling the use of pics for specific purposes. If this is about a living person, WP has basically 2 ways to "get" a pic: a fan takes a pic at a consert or similar and uploads it to Commons themselves, or, Michiya haruhata takes a selfie and ditto. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can I upload pictures from someone’s Twitter like Michiya haruhata’s Twitter.

Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Goldsoldier75, photos uploaded to Twitter are usually copyrighted; unless the account holder specifically states that they took the picture and are releasing it under a free license, we can't use it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay thanks so is my best bet to find like a fan cam and take a picture from that or do I have to take the picture my self? Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi I noticed on the anneboyisa album article (might be incorrect name but it’s Anne Curtis’s album) that the official cover is used can I do that for the michiya haruhata page ThanksGoldsoldier75 (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Goldsoldier75, album covers are also (usually) copyrighted. Under the non-free content policy (WP:FAIRUSE) we can get away with using the image in an article on the album; very, very rarely it might be usable in a different article under the non-free criteria, but 99% of the time, it couldn't be used in an article about the singer. So: no. As far as a fan cam video - if the person taking the video releases it under a free license, then you could take a screenshot from it. Otherwise: also no. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Domain Banned from Wikipedia

Menu

Hey Mods,

Our Domain (www.uniacco.com) is blacklisted from wikipedia can you please share the form to raise a ticket for domain unban.

We didn't perform unethical/black hat technique we didn't get a mail why our domain is blacklisted can you please reply ASAP. Altamash.mapari (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Altamash.mapari, see Wikipedia:Spam blacklist for directions. At a glance, any adding of your website to any WP-article would likely be seen as Wikipedia:Spam. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Furthering the comments of Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it is highly unlikely that the website would be removed from the blacklist. It was added in 2020 following several instances of spam. Additionally, the website unicreds.com has been added to the blacklist after your recent spamming, too. Anarchyte (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yep, cue song by Monthy Python. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you please help me

Can you please help me find where I add and (hopefully not be deleted), a free encyclopedia. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_Hoover whom is an author among many authors on Wikipedia. I am interested in adding a bibliography for business reason and information about my novels. JackieLynaugh (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@JackieLynaugh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Some recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. People who try to make WP-articles about themselves almost always fail, because they do it wrong, and because most people are not WP:NOTABLE. If WP has an article about you, it will not be for business reasons (on purpose, anyway), and you will not have control of it's contents. If approved, it will be a summary of what WP:RS independent of you has said about you/your books. Your first (not only) hurdle is WP:GNG.

So: what are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published, independent of you and about you in some detail? This excludes your websites, your publisher, blogs, wikis, online bookstores etc etc. Yolanda T. Marshall may be a helpful example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

It appears you have published six (or more?) books. While laudable, to qualify for a Wikipedia article about you, there needs to be references to what people have written about you. A fast search on your name yielded your website and social media sites, but perhaps not enough about you. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Jackie JackieLynaugh (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Jackie JackieLynaugh (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Continuing Draft help

Hello, Polysaccharides. (Please don't edit an archive, but start a new section in the current Teahouse, linking to the original, as I have done here.)

You added the following to the thread today (I've copied your addition here)

@ColinFine Hello, I had covid so I wansnt near a computer.. here are the 3 sources you asked:

https://b.walla.co.il/item/1868975

https://www.ybook.co.il/book/7758/%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A4%D7%A1-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%95%D7%AA

https://www.maariv.co.il/culture/literature/Article-762856

His name in Hebrew is דניאל אדלסון

Is there anything else you need? Polysaccharides (talk) 11:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I would say that the first two do not have Significant coverage of Edelson: they might be useful for additional information, but I suspect that they would not contain anything not found in a fuller source. The third one might be - but it does not actually contain much about Edelson, being mostly about the book. You've stll got a way to go. ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Review my draft

please review my draft. It's pending for many days . Draft: Nituparna Baruahranuj 12:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Baruah ranuj, As stated in the template on top of the draft, it can take up to four months for the article to be reviewed. Your latest submission was today itself, so kindly wait till it is picked up. Kpddg ^(talk) 12:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can see, you only re-submitted the draft today. It had previously been declined on 25 June, so that would be one reason for reviewers to be reluctant to take it up again unless it has been substantially improved and the comment left by the previous reviewer fully addressed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Deleting accounts

Hi. I have multiple accounts but idk how to delete them! Helppppppp!!!!!!!!!! Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 12:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701 Hello. It is not possible to delete an account; just stop using and abandon your other accounts. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man. I was just confused. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Accounts cannot be deleted since the edits made have to be attributed to their creators for copyright reasons. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts provided you only use them for valid reasons and mention on each account's User Page that other accounts exist. You can of course simply stop using some of them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

what to do if you feel your draft has reliable links and deserves to be approved but it keeps on getting declined?

Recently I've been working on Draft:Daliwonga and it was denied the reason being I didn't provide reliable sources but somehow I feel the sources I provided are reliable and notable, I'm now stuck as I don't know what to do to improve the article, even though I don't know what to do I wish to keep on working on the article.Can you guys suggest me what to do in a situation like this and help improve my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emkay2004 (talk • contribs)

Emkay2004 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would ask you to consider that the reviewers who reviewed your draft are likely more experienced and knowledgable than you, so they may know what they are talking about. I will say that most likely the problem is not the sources themselves, but their content. What are your three best sources? 331dot (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

331dot the references I added are from the sources mentioned on South Africa reliable sources that's what makes me feel they are reliable--Emkay2004 (talk)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Emkay2004 (talk • contribs)

Emkay2004 As I said, I suspect that it is the content of the sources that is the problem, not so much the sources themselves. What are your three best sources in the draft? If you point those out, I can look at them to see what the problem might be. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

331dot thank you for your time and concern on my issue but I really can't say that this are my 3 best sources on my ref list because I don't really know which are the best and which are not.There is also a new comment on my draft which I think can help me solve my problem.Emkay2004 (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Reliable source

What type of website of india should be added to make an article reliable??? My draft:nituparna was marked as containing unreliable source. What to do to make it reliable? Baruahranuj 13:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Baruah ranuj You cannot make a source reliable- that depends on its reputation and how it is viewed by the public. Please read this page about reliable sources for more information, but in short, a reliable source must have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- in other words, they don't make up stuff out of whole cloth, and they check for accuracy before publishing. For an example of a source that is considered to be not reliable, see WP:DAILYMAIL. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Cant use a reliable source to cite

Hi I’m trying to cite the recording industry association of Japan but it says I need to make it manually and I can’t figure that out so I little guide would be great Goldsoldier75 (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Goldsolider75 Please see Referencing for Beginners which provides advice in this area. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Name

Hi it’s me again. How do I change font and colour of my name??? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Captain Kathryn, and welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Signatures.

Hint: often, you can find out information about a topic in editing Wikipedia by searching for it with "WP:" (or "Wikipedia:" - it's the same thing) on the front of it. ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(For future reference: Captain Kathryn is fine but I prefer Captain Janeway,No offence) Hi thanks for replying.

i will look at Wikipedia:Signatures thank you for the advice. If you want to stay in contact with me just write to me over my talk page! Yours sincerely Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

How do can I get these links refilled

I tried to get two links for this article Draft:Magazine féminin refilled as these are book articles. What am I doing wrong? Dwanyewest (talk) 13:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I am currently looking at your Draft, but I don’t see any links refilled as books. Can you be more specific? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Refill doesn't work well on Google Books links since the URL is to a Google page, not the underlying page for the book. I've expanded one reference using the isbn but kept your Google book link. You can look at the draft now to see what I did. You also need to use a named reference, since current references 1 and 3 are to the same book. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about user

Who is user @80.1.188.122? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

It's an IP, no one is going to connect it to any account. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Password question

Hi, could I use the same strong password for the user login to create new user? Should I do it? Or no? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Normally if you have an account with that password Wikipedia will not accept it due to the message box saying This password is Already in use. Please use another., or something similar. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

The in italic is the message. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. I’ll think of passwords I’ll use. Anyways does my Wikipedia password always not be common and must be strong with at least 15 characters strong and with numbers, uppercase letters, lowercase letters, symbols, and other characters, and I should avoid personal information? Do I always have to comply with [betawiki.net/wiki/Special:PasswordPolicies this]?100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

The password requirements are outlined here. As far as I know, there's nothing preventing you from using the same password for multiple accounts, but there are many restrictions against operating multiple accounts on Wikipedia, and using the same password in multiple places is less secure than using unique passwords. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

”Never write your passwords down, put your password in your spreadsheets, or writing on your phone.”

Is it true? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

That is good general advice for password security, yes. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Does my password could be stored in cloud, like Samsung Cloud, iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive if I broke this password policy? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia can't detect where you've stored your password; use the most secure method available to you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

“Never let any of your browsers save your Wikipedia password.”

Is it a good idea? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd recommend asking detailed questions about account security on the talk page. The Teahouse is for helping newcomers navigate using Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd advise you against posting on Wikipedia where you keep your passwords. 331dot (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can I write down my password in my phone or computer in case if I forget it? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

This is not a question about using Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Which help page is right me for discussing about this topic? Please remind me! :) 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You can discuss the rules about account security on Wikipedia on this page. Off-topic questions about account security in general won't be answered there - you might try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing for that. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks! 100.11.127.115 (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

General question

Are wiki users allowed to chat with each other about nothing in particular(No offence, but I’m rusty on the guidelines)? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 14:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701, conversations on Wikipedia should be about improving Wikipedia. If you want to chat on tangentially related topics, you can try WP:DISCORD or WP:IRC, but even there, off-topic chatter is kept to a minimum. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with what 199.208.172.35 said. Whilst it is important to stay on-topic, there are occasional times when a tangential discussion can arise whilst engaging in Wikipedia activity. These are OK so long as they're within reason and part of broader work towards improving the encyclopaedia.

Thus, when I interact with a keen user I am mentoring under the Adoption scheme, there will be times I stray into general chat about shared experiences. But if you were 'out-of-the-blue' suddenly to drop by someone's talk page and ask about what they thought of, say The Boys on Amazon Prime (because you'd happen to seen that they had edited that page and wanted to talk about the series), then you'd swiftly be told that this kind of conversation wasn't appropriate here. Hope that makes sense.

BTW: It is very confusing if your signature name does not match your username. It would help if you would fix that. Please also read WP:NOTHERE because I sense you are here to mess about, rather than to build an encyclopaedia. If that is the case, I'm afraid you won't last long and could find yourself blocked. So stick to the purposes of adding to the encyclopaedia, please, and you'll get along fine. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701 Fixing failed ping. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect,Which failed ping are you fixing First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701, Nick Moyes was fixing their own failed ping - as in, they meant to ping you when replying, but forgot to do it, so pinged you instead in a follow-up post. See WP:PING for more info. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah sorry Nick Moyes First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Making projects

This question is not just for me but also for other new/old(rusty(No offence)) Wiki users

Can you create your own project? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 14:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes see Wikipedia:WikiProject. Theroadislong (talk) 15:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

i Can't See Move Option Because It Blocked

i Wrote A post About Sri Lankan Film Maker Indika Wicramarachchi in my Sanbox Page but i can't Find More option to Move my post Because It Blocked What I can Do For This ? this is my post link User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox Wicsakiwdss (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

You cannot move it, as you are a new user and it needs to go through WP:AFC. PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Wicsakiwdss You were already told here at the Teahouse that such an article is never going to be acceptable for Wikipedia since it is a biography of a living person yet it has no sources. All Wikipedia articles must have sources and there are strict rules for biographies in particular. You uploaded a picture of Wicramarachchi which you stated was your own work (i.e. taken with your own camera). If you know this person, please read WP:COI. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Please understand, Wicksakiwdss, that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Your current draft has not a single citation to a published source, let alone an independent one. ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Is it orphaned now

Check whether it is orphan now Lurinjyoti Gogoi I have moved the page to another name to link with other page . the new name is often used by other pages Baruahranuj 16:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

And Praxidicae has concluded that Gogoi does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and has turned the page into a redirect to Assam Jatiya Parishad, which seems a good call to me. ColinFine (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Not entirely sure AJP is notable either. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Offering Greetings to so-called scholarly administrators/experienced editors like you, I stopped writing articles on Wikipedia. I will come back when I get back to a healthy writing environment on Wikipedia. Suppose I agree that Lurin Jyoti Gogoi's article does not follow notability , but you said that I doubt whether the article AJP follows criteria of notability. If such rules are enforced , about 50% of articles related to Assam will probably disappear from Wikipedia. Consider the matter.Anyway , you keep doing your job. But I didn't get a healthy writing environment on English Wikipedia. Don't think I'm saying this because the draft was cancelled. That's not the case. I didn't even find a way to correct the mistake here. Baruahranuj 18:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

starting new page

Hello. I have created a sandbox edit of what I hope will be a wikipedia page for the Grand Lodge of Oregon. The Grand Lodge of Oregon has no entries in Wikipedia. I tried previously and didn't do all that well. Trying again.

What is the next steps to get what I have in sandbox to wikipedia? thank you. jje JohnnyJEdwards (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello JohnnyJEdwards, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to your sandbox, so that you can submit it for review when it is ready (which it is nowhere near yet). It looks as if you have made the classic beginner's mistake of writing what you know. With respect, Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what is found in reliable published sources, and writing an article - any article - begins with finding such sources, and then goes on to summarise what these sources say. Please have a look at your first article, and particularly at WP:NORG. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

JohnnyJEdwards You might want to look at the page WP:FM, which among other things lists all Freemason-related articles, with ratings. You might like to model your draft on one of the higher-rated ones. All the ones on Grand Lodges can also be found in Category:Grand Lodges. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, JohnnyJEdwards. Please read WP:BRANCH which says As a general rule, the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article – unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area. I searched for sources about the Grand Lodge of Oregon but did not find anything independent of that Masonic group. Books they publish about themselves are not acceptable for establishing notabiliy. So, exceptions to that rule need high quality independent sourcing. Cullen328 (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I note that you have recently created in Mainspace the article Grand lodge of oregon. That's a really bad idea given what Cullen328 said: the article in its current state goes nowhere near establishing notability. It is likely to be removed by the New Pages Patrol. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

What I do not understand is many other organizations of Grand Lodges in America have a wikipedia page. I have all the sources known to exist as the person in charge of our museum and history. How do I make this notable like other pages? JohnnyJEdwards (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

JohnnyJEdwards, Colin, Michael and Cullen have all given you tools to be successful at writing an article and adhering to Wikipedia policy in the process. You have already been told that what you personally know about this organization, no matter how accurate it may be, is not acceptable for verification of notability in order to create an article here. I mean this with the upmost respect for you and your personal knowledge but that is what Wikipedia calls orginal research. Only high quality independent reliable sources, meaning having no association with the organization, may be used to determine notability. --ARoseWolf 18:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Help with page tittled Sam Ankrah

Dear all, I recently created an article about a development economist, Sam Ankrah and submitted but unfortunately it was rejected as it was not fit for wiki as at then. I have reshaped it and submitted for further review with link attached (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sam_Ankrah). Someone kindly assist to review it and see if its ok to feature on wikipedia now. Will appreciate any further suggestions to make it better. Thanks in advance Pagefour (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can one donate to wikipedia via crypto?

I want to donate to wikipedia. The problem is that I don't have any dollars. What I DO have, however, is, among things, bitcoin. How, if at all, can I donate to wikipedia some? 89.139.154.144 (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

There are lots of ways to donate but crypto is not one of them. You would need to convert your bitcoin into dollars first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Please read this article: 'Extremely risky’ and ‘inherently predatory': Wikipedia organization decides to stop accepting crypto donations. Just convert your cryptocurrency to hard currency and make your donation. Many major currencies are accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Sactions

I was recently given a talk page message on discretionary sanctions (link). I have never gotten this message before, am I in trouble? Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Dinoz1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you are not necessarily in trouble. As the message states, "This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." 331dot (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dinoz1. You commented on your talk page that you "feel scared this is kind of like a block". It is not anything like a block or a sanction. It is just a standard notice to inform you that extra care is required when editing biographies of living people. Cullen328 (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Unable to move a draft from my Work in Progress page to Draft Space

Hello, I have just finished submitting a draft entitled Ken Williams(songwriter) for review and as part of this process, I am required to move it to Draft Space. Howwver, when I do, I get the following message: The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask for the page to be moved. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

What should I do? Andymcteddybear (talk) 18:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Andymcteddybear Hello. Who said you have to move it to Draft space? You submitted it for review and it is pending. There is a blank draft at Draft:Ken Williams (songwriter); did you have any knowledge of that? You could communicate with the creator of that blank draft to see if collaboration is possible. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

After submitting the draft for review, a new button labelled "Move to Draft" came up. I thought I had to move the article to Draft Space to enable the reviewer to see it. Obviously this is not the case.

I have been checking almost every hour since last week ensure no one was working on an article similar to the one I was working on. The last time I checked was today at 18.50. I will contact the creater of the blank draft to see whether ww can collaborate. Many thanks. Andymcteddybear (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)