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More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984

It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! —PermStrump(talk)

Novels by Colin Dexter

The articles on the 13 Inspector Morse series novels by Colin Dexter need work. Only one includes reviews of the novels, and few have any inline citations at all. The first novel is Last Bus to Woodstock, from which you can access the following twelve. I put in a References section in each article, anticipating that there will be inline citations some day. Few have a Plot summary that covers the resolution as well as the crimes, fewer list the the characters. I read one of the novels, The Jewel That Was Ours, and I found two reviews of that novel online. My plot summary is too long by 400 words, so I need to shorten it someday. Two of his novels won the Gold Dagger award for Crime novels, and there is no plot summary for one of those novels nor any external reviews.

I have read just the one book in the series, so I cannot do more than set up a more consistent pattern in the articles. I could hunt for reviews, which I suspect are out there, online perhaps. There is a book cited in each article that apparently collects reviews of the novels, but I do not have that book. The novels were adapted into a television series, and then two more television series, on following the main character's death (Inspector Lewis or Lewis), and the other exploring Morse's early days in the police force (Endeavour). The actor who player Morse, John Thaw, was a very good actor, drawing many viewers to the television series. I tried to separate the mentions of the adaptations from the sections on the novels. There is an article with a List of Inspector Morse episodes, and the plot summaries in those are mainly blurbs; even the longer ones never get to the denouement. Anyway, there are many opportunities for work on the articles about the novels or about the television series. I did expect that the novels would have more complete articles, given the interest in the series, so help is welcome! --Prairieplant (talk)

Kirkus Reviews as refs

If you have an opinion, please share at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Kirkus_Reviews,_again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting discussion. It should be noted somewhere for reference. MichaelMaggs (talk) 08:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As with all refs, they must be used in their context. In your article on Isabel Thomas in the link above, you use Kirkus Reviews as citations and references (there is a difference) for the title of two books and what another book is generally about. I'm sure Kirkus Reviews is reliable for that information. maclean (talk) 04:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

it may be reliable for the title , but there's always a better source like Worldcat. She is a notable author, and there are references from unquestioneable R. There's no need to use borderline sources. DGG ( talk ) 01:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC) �[reply]

That and a bit of "DUE-ness", I wasn't going to list all. I tend to think of them all as "refs" Per WP:

"Words like citation and reference are used interchangeably on the English Wikipedia. On talk pages, where the language can be more informal, or in edit summaries or templates where space is a consideration, reference is often abbreviated ref, with the plural refs. Footnote may refer specifically to citations using ref tag formatting or to explanatory text; endnotes specifically refers to citations placed at the end of the page. See also: Wikipedia:Glossary." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FAC about a novel in need of reviewers

I'm posting here because there is a featured article candidate about a novel (Seventy-Six (1823) by John Neal (1793–1876)) that is in need of editors to review and comment on the content of the article. Otherwise, it may be archived soon due to inactivity. That nomination is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Seventy-Six (novel)/archive1. I'm told that it is fairly rare to see articles about novels nominated for featured article status, so perhaps that makes this of particular interest to this group. If you're unfamiliar with reviewing featured article candidates, see WP:FAC before you read through the article or make any comments on the nomination. Thank you in advance for your willingness to review the article and comment on the nomination! Dugan Murphy (talk) 18:42, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:A Man Called Ove (novel)#Requested move 19 November 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:A Man Called Ove (novel)#Requested move 19 November 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 13:50, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on whether and how to cover J. K. Rowling's trans-related views in the lead of her article

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Talk:J. K. Rowling#RFC on how to include her trans-related views (and backlash) in the lead

I am "advertising" this RfC more broadly to relevant pages because someone selectively notified three socio-political wikiprojects that are likely to vote-stack the RfC with a single viewpoint, and the article already has a long history of factional PoV editwarring.

Central matters in this discussion and the threads leading up to it are labeling of Rowling, labeling of commenters on Rowling, why Rowling is notable, what is due or undue in the lead section, and whether quasi-numeric claims like "many", "a few", etc. in this context are legitimate or an OR/WEASEL issue. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that WikiProject Feminism and WikiProject Women Writers are likely to vote-stack the RfC with a single socio-political viewpoint seems pretty loopy, and there hasn't been any move to reduce the primary emphasis on Rowling's novels in the lead.

But by all means, we do need fresh eyes on the RfC, especially since the article has seen so much whitewashing and FALSEBALANCE POV-based editing, against the sources provided for the article. Newimpartial (talk) 02:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inviting comments at FAC for A Beautiful Crime

Hi everyone! I've had A Beautiful Crime, a 2020 novel by Christopher Bollen, at FAC for the past few weeks and it was recently added to the "FAC urgents" list by a coordinator, meaning that it is in need of some more comments. Please feel free to leave comments at the FAC page if you are interested: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/A Beautiful Crime/archive1. Many thanks! DanCherek (talk) 00:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FAR for Uncle Tom's Cabin

I have nominated Uncle Tom's Cabin for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 07:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arsene Lupin story "813" at draftspace

Yo. I need a helping hand with the Maurice LeBlanc novel 813 that got sent to draft-space a while back (see Draft:813 (novel)). The tips suggested me to "asking for help on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject" and here I am. I have bit limited knowledge on Arsene Lupin, but I do know enough that 813 is brought up a lot in discussions by the series fans. It seems academic sources on this book are limited and/or escape my attention and I need somebody who knows something to drag this piece from Draftspace. Or have I misunderstood 813's relevance? -- TrickShotFinn (talk) 17:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FAR notice re J. K. Rowling

An editor has nominated J. K. Rowling for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Well of Loneliness under FA review

I started the formal FA review on The Well of Loneliness. Your input there and further contributions to the article are welcome. --George Ho (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:George Ho has nominated The Well of Loneliness for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:28, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_January_11#Category:Works_about_race_and_ethnicity

I started this discussion, and it led to the following interesting question:

Should categories like Category:African-American novels and Category:Jewish American novels be based on the background of the author or the content of the work? If you have an opinion, please share at the Cfd-page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Power Boys

Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at Power Boys and assessing it per WP:NBOOK. It was created back in 2008 and there seem to have been some good-faith attempts at improving it over the years, but most of the sources cited seem to be primary (i.e. to the book (or books) itself). It also appears that the who the actual author was is unclear which might be another reason why better sourcing is so hard to find. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ELNEVER policy violations throughout the Harry Potter articles

See WP:ELNEVER:
For policy or technical reasons, editors are restricted from linking to the following, without exception: Policy: material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked, whether in an external-links section or in a citation. ... Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright might be considered contributory copyright infringement.
See Harry Potter articles linking to http://www.accio-quote.org, which seems to exist only to host copyright violations related to Harry Potter. (The website mostly hosts scanned copies of news articles.)

These policy violations need to be cleaned out of all Harry Potter articles: please mark them done as you replace or remove the ELNEVER accio-quote references.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]