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ERAs[edit]

Disagree on the golden age. Golden age of hip-hop was 1988 to 1994 and that's pretty much consensus and has been for a long time now. 86 and 87 were not great years, and you can't count 95-97 because the game skill was in decline by that time. After 1994, the rhyme skill decline began and the over-commercialization machine was activated. Sure, we still had a lot of great acts compared to today, but those who know the art of rhyming could tell the music started to decline in skill gradually from that point forward. By 2000, unskilled rhymers like Nelly were dominating and hip-hop never recovered.

Also, I consider 2010-present the "Tight Pants Era" since it perfectly captures everything wrong with hip-hop today as well as appropriately shaming it for what it's become: Tight feminine clothes on the male rappers. Wack, unclever lyrics from 99.99999% of mainstream rappers, poor technical skills from many, and the listeners too brain dead to notice the issue. It's been an incredibly weird, incredibly wack time with no end in sight. ---- The Rhyme Critic, 11/13/2021

"FRENCH HIP-HOP"(Second Largest Hip-Hop market after the United States)[edit]

French Hip Hop was started by "Sidney Duteil". Sidney Duteil, better known as Sidney, is a French musician, rapper, DJ, television and radio host, and occasional actor of Guadeloupe origin, an island in the Caribbean. He is well known in France for his connection with the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. He presented a hip hop radio program on Radio 7 from 1982. In 1984, he was the host of the popular weekly French Rap television show entitled H.I.P. H.O.P., it was France's first television show and first regular nationwide weekly show in the world to be dedicated to the hip hop culture. It was broadcast each Sunday afternoon on the French national channel TF1 in 1984, from January 14, for 43 weeks, which had a certain impact on the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. They had guests such as Herbie Hancock on February 19, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa, The Rock Steady Crew, Art of Noise or Madonna and graffiti artists such as Futura 2000. This was significant for two reasons: first because Duteil became the first Black man in France to hold such a position, and secondly because the birth and eventual popularity of the weekly show demonstrated the growing admiration and involvement in the French population in hip hop culture - TazzoThaboss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.254.157.18 (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jamaican toasting wasn't the origin of hip hop; liking a theory isn't enough; no data supports the claim[edit]

Study probablity theory. Most of the time people mimic others, but they can also discover something alone because we all play and examine the abilities of the same body and find tricks. The primitive homo sapiens invented something resembling hip hop; not modern humans. If you claim that primitive people immediately knew how to sing opera you are a lier. Rhythm is more ancient than tonal theory and tonal control! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4107:F900:293B:C3B7:DAC7:1C91 (talk) 03:21, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2Pac[edit]

2Pac is nowhere to be found in the Overview. This seems to be a massive oversight and glaring omission, in any overview of the general history of hip hop music covering the West Coast in the 1990s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:827F:EAD8:E938:9D40:4A18:8C9C (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

Hip Hop was created by African American and Latino Americans in urban communities of the Bronx. Not only African Americans. There’s proof of this in history. The page needs to be edited correctly. Heribertovelazqueziii (talk) 21:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hip Hop music wasnt created by Latinos at all. There is proof is this. Hip Hop was created by Rudy Ray Moore aka the Godfather of Hip Hop who is not Latino but African American. He created it in the late 60s and early 70s. The same man who would be known as Dolemite and he didn't do it in the Bronx at all. All the first rappers credit him as their influence and the creator of the genre. Try again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiccreed01 (talkcontribs) 18:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Latinos simply IMITATED what the neighboring blacks were doing. They had nothing to do with Hip Hop's origins. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hip hop music was mainly created by African Americans and Afro-American Carribeans therefore they should be credited for it, Latino contribution to Hip Hop is limited. Hip hop is directly influenced by Reggae Music that comes from Jamaica. Besides that it is African Americans that have contributed in making it the art form it is today. Fjnplbv (talk) 09:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Always trying to steal our contributions. Give credit to where its due. Hip hop itself was created by a black american man named Rudy Ray Moore. Dj Kool Herc and more have credited the man as being the creator and their biggest influences. The man Dolemite who they did a tribute for and so many times through out the old videos and interviews to the new they stated Rudy Ray Moore created hip Hop.

Regarding the 2010s in hip hop[edit]

This decade has been absolutely massive for the genre, which has grown to dominate charts, popular culture, and internet culture in its place of origin, the United States, while enjoying breakout success globally as an export and in local forms. Rap features prominently in modern pop music and has seen notable crossover into electronic, alternative, and even country music. However, as of this writing the article fails to capture hip hop's place of importance in today's zeitgeist, save for a note mentioning that hip hop became the most popular genre in 2017.

With the 2010s drawing to a close, interested editors ought to overhaul this section, maybe with the assistance of decade end retrospectives as they begin showing up on music and culture websites.

--Adifex (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Birth year of hip-hop: 1973[edit]

Would August 11, 1973 be considered the official birthdate of hip-hop since that's when DJ Kool Herc first introduced a method of hip-hop djing at a party in The Bronx? A lot of news sources covered it such as the History Channel, Google Doodle, Complex Magazine, etc. A lot of hip-hop artists also consider that the birthdate too. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 05:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2019[edit]

Why is there that mid-title "Teargarden and Oceania" in the middle of the east-coast west-coast rivalry part??? 92.184.110.100 (talk) 09:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea, but I've removed it. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020[edit]

Hello, there is some misinformation on the hip hop portion of the page that needs to be edited. The problem is in the beginning of the page. It misplaced that Latinos also created hip hop which this isn't true at all. Hip Hop was created by black american people and the black man instrumental in creating hip hop didn't come from Bronx, NY and wasn't in Bronx, NY when it was created. Actor and musician Rudy Ray Moore is regarded and confirmed as the creator of Hop Hop. Saying this takes the full contributions of black Americans and place a whole other group who didn't create the genre in taking credit which wasn't earned or given credit that isn't true. I can post links and more confirming my facts. I would like for the Latino portion to be removed from the top as the creator because its inaccurate. Latinos, like other groups, partook and partake in hip hop but did not influence its creation at all.


UPDATE WITH SOURCES:

Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources fortelling that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka a black american man actually created hip hop.


https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite

Thank You for your time. Musiccreed01 (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Majavah (t/c) 18:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources proving that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka a black american man actually created hip hop.


https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite


Reliable evidence HAS been posted, and it is MUCH MORE reliable then the sole opinion piece citation that calls for Latino inclusion in the origins of Hip Hop. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020[edit]

Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources that you've requested that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka Dolemite aka a black american man actually created hip hop. I request that the latino american word be taken down as creators of hip hop when they had no influence in its creation and later partook in the genre, like other groups, after it was created and nothing more.


RELIABLE & Historical Proof and sources below:


https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DannyS712 (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let my vote be the second to AGREE with the removal of Latinos as the co-creators creators of Hip Hop. Therefore it is two to none, which makes a consensus. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 22:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020[edit]

Hello, I request an edit of the page hip hop because there is strong inaccurate information placed on one thing. In the article it is showing that Latinos are added as the creators of hip hop. This in fact is not true at all whatsoever. Hip Hop was created solely by African Americans aka black Americans. The black American man who is regarded and proven and confirmed to be the father or creator of hip hop is Rudy Ray Moore who is confirmed to be the godfather of hip hop. Rudy Ray Moore who is most famously known as the blackexploitation character Dolemite created Hip Hop in the late 60s early 70s.

The biggest influences of hip hop and the said founders all stated that Rudy Ray Moore is the creator of hip hop and their biggest influences. Latinos, like other groups of people, partook in the genre after it was created but didn't create nor help create it. This needs to be edited now because its giving false and inaccurate credit making it all uncredible to visitors. Thank You for your time. Here are the links to some of many extremely credible source:

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/ https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377 https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DannyS712 (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I too SECOND that Latinos having being the co-creators of Hip Hop be edited out of the article. That is a gross inaccuracy that is not supported by a legitimate source. The citation given is an "opinion" piece. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2020[edit]

Under 1970s ---> Introduction of rapping, "Rudy Ray Moore" Should lead to the wikipedia page for that person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Ray_Moore Typhic (talk) 08:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 DoneThjarkur (talk) 09:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Latino Americans?[edit]

It was Puerto Ricans with Jamaicans then others followed African Americans Cuban Dominican Mexican.

Hip Hop was a creation of Latinos with African Americans(Jamaicans) as Latinos contributed a lot to the sound and dance and clothing

Do not change the edit its correct Just because we took from Black music does not mean it was started by black people only

Latinos were in the soup when it was being created get over it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:21C0:98C0:5816:75B2:4925:56D (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2020[edit]

"FRENCH HIP-HOP" in France (Second Largest Hip-Hop market after the United States) was started by "Sidney Duteil". Sidney Duteil (born Patrick Duteil in 1955 in Argenteuil, Val-d'Oise), better known as Sidney, is a French musician, rapper, DJ, television and radio[1] host, and occasional actor of Guadeloupe origin, an island in the Caribbean. He is well known in France for his connection with the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. He presented a hip hop radio program on Radio 7 from 1982. In 1984, he was the host of the popular weekly French Rap television show entitled H.I.P. H.O.P., it was France's first television show and first regular nationwide weekly show in the world to be dedicated to the hip hop culture. It was broadcast each Sunday afternoon on the French national channel TF1 in 1984, from January 14, for 43 weeks, which had a certain impact on the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. They had guests such as Herbie Hancock on February 19, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa, The Rock Steady Crew, Art of Noise or Madonna and graffiti artists such as Futura 2000. This was significant for two reasons: first because Duteil became the first Black man in France to hold such a position, and secondly because the birth and eventual popularity of the weekly show demonstrated the growing admiration and involvement in the French population in hip hop culture - TazzoThaboss 153.254.157.18 (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We would need some good sources to demonstrate that Sidney is noteworthy enough to mention in this large article. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2020[edit]

Hip Hop is African American cultural music developed by African Americans in the inner city of New York.It was devoloped as an artistic outlet for African American youth to voice political, popular, musical, and racial violations against African Americans[1]. Kay3457 (talk) 08:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Interstellarity (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sullivan, Megan. "African-American music as rebellion: From slavesong to hip-hop." Discoveries 3 (2001): 21-39.

Important section[edit]

Is there no criticism about this genre? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people arguing "rap is not music" since the beginning of this genre. We need a criticism section. Enjoyer of World (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation needed in the section 'World hip hop music': 9th paragraph refers to Hadouken! and incorrectly links to 'Hadouken' the Japanese game attack; ought to link to Hadouken! (band).109.155.83.4 (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

hip-hop history[edit]

Bold textwe have many kid rapper's that girl lay lay,young Dylan,sky kaze,and it goes on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AE0D:3300:79EF:3438:7CD0:4234 (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2021[edit]

Hip-hop often has a rhythm with an odd meter time signature (5/8, 6/4 etc.), a funky bassline, music samples, soul music style singing and rapping. 83.137.6.238 (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 54nd60x (talk) 04:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Articles related to Hip Hop[edit]

Could someone create a navigation box called Articles related to Hip Hop and put Rap rock in it? 2601:C7:C201:C640:D9C2:F2B4:E75C:1EAD (talk) 16:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done See Template:Hip hop ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No. I meant: Could someone put a navigation box called Articles related to Hip Hip and put the templates for Hip Hop, American Hip Hop, and Rap Rock in it?

"Mumble rap" should not be recognized as a genre in this article[edit]

"Mumble rap" has always just been a buzzword used by critics (mostly older people) to unfairly invalidate modern rap music. This is supposed to be an informative and unbiased article. Fuegotakis (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment[edit]

There is an RfC ongoing about a topic that contributors to this article may be interested in. It can be found here. JimKaatFan (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This definitely wasn't the first hip-hop song'[edit]

The first ever hip-hop song or proto-rap song was PRİSENCÓLİNENSİNÁİNCIÚSOL, composed by the Italian singer Adriano Celentano. 88.144.183.136 (talk) 20:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your source ? Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sex[edit]

Sex in hindi 2409:4064:2E1B:258B:0:0:52CB:9C0D (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change range for blog era and trap era[edit]

It was 2015-2017 when trap really started to grow into bigger mainstream. Blog era was up till the mid 2010s . Blog should be up till 2015, 2016 the latest and trap really starting 2015 and or after mostly. By 2017-2018 trap became full blown with mumble growing more right after. Maybe instead of putting exact years you should just go by early mid late standard.

Like golden era mid 80s to mid 90s Bling late 90s to mid 00s Blog mid or late 00s to mid 10s Trap mid or late 10s to ? 2600:1700:A9B0:6B90:146:B3C6:FF75:CAF2 (talk) 06:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hiphop[edit]

Why are TLC and Foxy brown and other Ladyraappers no in the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:A52:DC00:885A:6675:C76E:F90F (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hip hop history being censored?[edit]

Why is this wikicontent on hip hop protected? It is because the hip hop narrative needs to be controlled by racists. Instead of showing that hip-hop is a creation of pluralistic American artist, these racists would like to steer the history towards an all black creation. The fact is that as early as 1980 performances by Chic/ Sugarhill gang / Blondie in NY ushered in hip-hop into mainstream American culture. The fact that a non-black band, Blondie, brought rap to mainstream America with their #1 Billboard Hot 100 hit Rapture in 1981 doesn't align with the narrative these racists are pushing is the real reason this entry is "protected." 69.124.49.215 (talk) 02:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Under World hip hop music section, 7th paragraph[edit]

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2605:A601:A388:3200:AD47:3B8B:B7CE:5A68 (talk) 01:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Photos should represent the biggest names, not XXXTentacion[edit]

I have twiced removed a photo of XXXTentacion because he does not appear on WP:SECONDARY lists of the greatest rappers. I think this article should emphasize the most important points of the topic.

For instance, Complex magazine wrote up an exhaustive list of the biggest rap stars for every year from 1979 to 2022, including lengthy lists of names that were almost the biggest and they don't list XXXTentacion at all.[1] The Evening Standard in the UK made a smaller list in 2018, listing the most influential rappers chronologically from Kool Herc to Drake.[2] XXXTentacion is not listed. In 2020, Cleveland.com listed the top 50 rappers since 2000, and XXXTentacion is not on it.[3] In 2022, GQ magazine listed the 20 best hip hop albums of all time and XXXTentacion is not there.[4] In 2021, Music in Minnesota listed the 10 most influential rappers, and XXXTentacion wasn't mentioned.[5] In 2018, XXXTentacion won some awards for his album 17, but he was not listed by Complex magazine in their assessment of hip hop in the decade 2010 to 2020.[6]

Let's not promote the legacy of XXXTentacion in a non-neutral manner, emphazing his contribution out of balance with the sources. Binksternet (talk) 18:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doja Cat has an image simply for being the most streamed rapper on Spotify on a singular year. If THAT deserves an image, having the best streaming rap album of all time on Spotify certainly warrants one.
Considering your less than neutral edits to say the least on the XXXTentacion page itself, it’s obvious you have some sort of negative personal connection to the artist and want to diminish the artist’s achievements and notability.

TheXuitts (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The defense of Doja Cat's photo would have to include an attempt to counter gender bias on Wikipedia. Basically, we need to have some women rappers pictured. Her photo could of course be replaced with something else in the female line, for instance Lauren Hill or Queen Latifah or anybody listed as influential in articles such as "10 Female Rappers Who Changed the Hip-Hop Game" or "A History of the Female Rapper". Doja Cat and M.I.A. (rapper) are the only women represented in photos in this article, which is entirely inadequate. Those two are from the 21st century. Earlier female rappers had a gigantic influence.
Funny you should bring up my "less than neutral edits". The whole reason we are here now is because I am responding to your less than neutral promotion of XXXTentacion. You keep pumping that guy up beyond all reason. He was big for a brief time, but not so influential as you imagine. The most-streamed hip hop album on Spotify? That's not a measure of how big an artist is. The great majority of hip hop songs are streamed individually as part of playlists, not within albums, and more people are streaming Drake than any other rapper.[7][8] Do we have a photo of Drake? No we don't. Drake and a bunch of other cats are all in line ahead of XXXTentacion. Binksternet (talk) 22:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I added the image because I saw the Doja Cat image and figured that if that is notable enough, so is the most-streamed album.

The counter to that justification for Doja Cat’s image would be, simply that more men are involved in hip hop than women. As a feminist, that’s just the reality of the situation, it doesn’t have to do with gender bias for this page specifically. If XXXTentacion’s image is to be removed, so should Doja Cat’s. TheXuitts (talk) 23:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Kool Herc didn’t bring Jamaican influence to America[edit]

DJ Kool Herc came to America at age 12. He was not in attendance at any Jamaican sound-system parties as a school-aged child, but he was a big James Brown fan. It is not sensible to say he “introduced an extended-break technique from Jamaican dub music” to early Hip Hop. He was too young to have been that involved in any live music culture while still in Jamaica. His influences as a DJ were almost all American. 2600:1001:B129:80E1:A501:EA04:8A39:2CF9 (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accept my posts in Instagram and upload in Wikipedia[edit]

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