Talk:Hip-hop

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2024

Add to Category:African-American music and Category:Hispanic American music because it originated with African Americans and Hispanics. 163.5.121.233 (talk) 08:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. SilverLocust 💬 07:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hip hop music → Hip-hop – This RM seeks to address two issues with the current title. First, music is an unnecessary disambiguator. Prior consensus, WP:IMPLICIT or otherwise, has already determined the music genre to be the primary topic, as Hip hop and its hyphenated counterpart already redirect to this page. If editors determine that this is in fact not the primary topic, then Hip hop should not redirect here and Hip hop (disambiguation) should be moved. Among the topics listed on the disambiguation page, Hip hop (culture) is the only other real contender for the primary topic. Pageviews for the past 365 days indicate that interest in the music genre article trumps that of the culture article by ten times, so it isn't even close. Related templates and categories such as Template:Hip hop and Category:Hip hop do not use a "music" qualifier, nor do most sources, so there is no evidence "music" is a necessary part of the term. Simply "hip hop" is more concise.

Upon further investigation, it appears the article Hip hop was moved unilaterally to Hip hop (culture) in May 2022, but this actually gives us stronger evidence. Inspecting the pageviews before and after the move, we see that the culture article averaged around 1000 views per day before the move (green line) but dropped to around 200 after the fact (red line), an average that has remained to this day. This suggests most of the pageviews before the move were in fact looking for the music article when they arrived at the undisambiguated Hip hop page.

The second issue this RM aims to rectify is the missing hyphen. Ngrams show "hip-hop" as the overwhelmingly preferred term; this holds true when narrowing down to only noun forms. Dictionaries that use a hyphen include the OED, Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, American Heritage, Collins, Britannica, Dictionary.com, The Free Dictionary, Vocabulary.com, and our own sister site Wiktionary; Longman was the only outlier I found. Several of these dictionaries specifically identify "hip hop" as the less common variant. Furthermore, the AP Stylebook recommends "hip-hop" and the Encyclopedia Britannica also uses "hip-hop", as do Spotify and Apple Music.

Even if you do not agree with the first part of this proposal, this second part should be uncontroversial as MOS:HYPHEN says to hyphenate attributive compound modifiers anyway, in accordance with standard grammar conventions. This is why we hyphenate African-American culture but not African Americans. Thus, if you oppose a move to Hip-hop, please consider supporting a move to Hip-hop music at the very least rather than blanket opposing. Finally, please note that the outcome of this RM will affect all hip-hop–related articles, categories, and templates; due to the sheer number of pages involved, they have not been tagged here but will be moved accordingly.

InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. He explains it well. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. I agree that Hip-hop unambiguously primarily refers to the music genre, and already redirects to the current title. BD2412 T 17:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Hip hop" can refer to hip hop music, hip hop culture, or others (see Hip hop (disambiguation).) Of these, hip hop music is the primary topic, hence the primary redirect. This does not mean that the title of the Hip hop music article needs to be shortened - doing so, in fact, would violate WP:PRECISE. No opinion on the hyphen aspect. 162 etc. (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  Once again, 162, you are misapplying policy. WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT specifically states There are times when a disambiguated article title [...] may be moved to its base name (unqualified title) based on a consensus that this is the primary topic for the unqualified term. You yourself have acknowledged that the music genre is the primary topic for the unqualified term "hip-hop", so no further disambiguation is needed and your argument contradicts itself. Primary redirects only arise when the topic is primary for more than one term, when the article covers a wider topical scope, or when it is titled differently according to the naming conventions — none of which apply in this case. Most sources refer to the music genre as simply "hip-hop", and most uses of "hip-hop" refer to the music genre. In fact, virtually all of the dictionary entries I have linked define "hip-hop" as primarily the music genre. There is no evidence that "hip-hop music" is the standard term of the music genre, and it appears we were merely using it for natural disambiguation purposes. This does not violate WP:PRECISE, and you must explain your thinking into why you believe this to be the case. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:PRECISE, "titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article." Hip hop is not unambiguous. Hip hop music is hip hop. Hip hop culture is hip hop. Hip hop dance is hip hop. We gain nothing by making the title of the article intentionally vague. 162 etc. (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  You yourself wrote that hip hop music is the primary topic. Being the primary topic doesn't mean it's the only topic, but the most commonly recognized one. Hip-hop is all those things, but most often refers to the music genre. A primary topic is therefore, by definition, not ambiguous because most readers associate a term with that particular topic over all other. If you agree that the music genre is the primary topic, as supported by the overwhelming evidence presented, you can't argue it is ambiguous at the same time. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  >"A primary topic is therefore, by definition, not ambiguous"

  That is completely wrong. A primary topic, by definition, is ambiguous. Please see WP:DAB. 162 etc. (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Further, a primary redirect doesn't automatically justify a move of the article to a shorter title.

  WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT gives the example of Einstein. The German physicist is the primary topic. He is quite commonly known mononymously as "Einstein". Einstein redirects to the article at Albert Einstein. But, "Einstein" is still ambiguous. There are a number of topics at Einstein (disambiguation) which are also known as "Einstein."

  Or, to spell it out, for Hip hop. The music genre is the primary topic. It is quite commonly known simply as "hip hop". Hip hop redirects to the article at Hip hop music. But, "hip hop" is still ambiguous. There are a number of topics at Hip hop (disambiguation) which are also known as "hip hop." 162 etc. (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  This continues to misread PRIMARYTOPIC and PRIMARYREDIRECT: Einstein is not titled "Einstein" because of naming conventions such as WP:SINGLENAME that take precedent, as outlined at PRIMARYREDIRECT, and would have certainly been moved otherwise; and if a topic is the primary topic, it means there is negligible risk of confusion with other topics of the same name, i.e. there is no ambiguity. But it is probably not worth trying to persuade you given all other editors have correctly read policy. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but it is concerning that you continue to misinterpret and misapply policy in so many RMs you participate in. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  My participation in RM discussions is in good faith. I have to assume yours is as well. Ill-considered accusations of impropriety are uncalled for, and I urge you to strike them from your previous comment. 162 etc. (talk) 07:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I have striven to maintain civility throughout this and past discussions and have never crossed the line into NPA territory. However, calling out editors for their repeated misreadings of policy is not uncivil; civility is not to be confused with politeness (though I have nonetheless sought to remain diplomatic). While I recognize your comments were made in good faith, I am genuinely troubled that you may not have a correct understanding of Wikipedia's naming conventions, in this and previous discussions. This is not me trying to sound snarky. My advice to you would be to re-read our PAGs and consider why the RMs in which you went against SNOW consensus ended up passing. InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  Sigh. Ill-considered accusations of impropriety are uncalled for.

  If you legitimately have concerns about my contributions, then the place to address that is WP:ANI, not here. 162 etc. (talk) 08:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I would agree that this manner of discussion belongs on 162's talk page rather than here, or failing that WP:ANI if the issues are not able to be reconciled in a polite way. In a standard discussion it just reads like being argumentative and clogging the discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support the DAB page should probably be moved here if not moved. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Theparties (talk) 19:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 2 December 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 09:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• ABN (hip hop duo) → ABN (hip-hop duo)
• Acid (hip hop group) → Acid (hip-hop group)
• African hip hop → African hip-hop
• Alaskan hip hop → Alaskan hip-hop
• Albanian hip hop → Albanian hip-hop
• Algerian hip hop → Algerian hip-hop
• Alternative hip hop → Alternative hip-hop
• Anime and hip hop → Anime and hip-hop
• Aotearoa hip hop summit → Aotearoa hip-hop summit
• Arabic hip hop → Arabic hip-hop
• Arsonists (hip hop group) → Arsonists (hip-hop group)
• Asian American hip hop → Asian American hip-hop
• Asian hip hop → Asian hip-hop
• Atlanta hip hop → Atlanta hip-hop
• Australian hip hop → Australian hip-hop
• Austrian hip hop → Austrian hip-hop
• Azerbaijani hip hop → Azerbaijani hip-hop
• Backburner (hip hop group) → Backburner (hip-hop group)
• Bangladeshi hip hop → Bangladeshi hip-hop
• Battery Records (hip hop) → Battery Records (hip-hop)
• Belgian hip hop → Belgian hip-hop
• Beninese hip hop → Beninese hip-hop
• Binary Star (hip hop group) → Binary Star (hip-hop group)
• Blades (hip hop group) → Blades (hip-hop group)
• Bosnian and Herzegovinian hip hop → Bosnian and Herzegovinian hip-hop
• Brasília hip hop → Brasília hip-hop
• Brazilian hip hop → Brazilian hip-hop
• Bulgarian hip hop → Bulgarian hip-hop
• Burmese hip hop → Burmese hip-hop
• Canadian hip hop → Canadian hip-hop
• Cartel (hip hop album) → Cartel (hip-hop album)
• Chicago hip hop → Chicago hip-hop
• Chinese hip hop → Chinese hip-hop
• Christian hip hop → Christian hip-hop
• Classic hip hop → Classic hip-hop
• Classical music in hip hop → Classical music in hip-hop
• Comedy hip hop → Comedy hip-hop
• Common Market (hip hop group) → Common Market (hip-hop group)
• Croatian hip hop → Croatian hip-hop
• Cuban hip hop → Cuban hip-hop
• Custom Made (hip hop group) → Custom Made (hip-hop group)
• Czech hip hop → Czech hip-hop
• Death Threat (hip hop group) → Death Threat (hip-hop group)
• Delta (hip hop artist) → Delta (hip-hop artist)
• Desert Heat (hip hop) → Desert Heat (hip-hop)
• Desi hip hop → Desi hip-hop
• Disciples of Christ (hip hop group) → Disciples of Christ (hip-hop group)
• Dominican hip hop → Dominican hip-hop
• Dual Core (hip hop duo) → Dual Core (hip-hop duo)
• Dutch hip hop → Dutch hip-hop
• EMC (hip hop group) → EMC (hip-hop group)
• East Coast hip hop → East Coast hip-hop
• East Coast–West Coast hip hop rivalry → East Coast–West Coast hip-hop rivalry
• Egyptian hip hop → Egyptian hip-hop
• Ethiopian hip hop music → Ethiopian hip-hop music
• European hip hop → European hip-hop
• Felt (hip hop group) → Felt (hip-hop group)
• Feminist activism in hip hop → Feminist activism in hip-hop
• Finnish hip hop → Finnish hip-hop
• Flight Distance (hip hop group) → Flight Distance (hip-hop group)
• French hip hop → French hip-hop
• Gambian hip hop → Gambian hip-hop
• German hip hop → German hip-hop
• GfK Entertainment hip hop albums chart → GfK Entertainment hip-hop albums chart
• Gh hip hop → Gh hip-hop
• Golden age hip hop → Golden age hip-hop
• Greek hip hop → Greek hip-hop
• Haitian hip hop → Haitian hip-hop
• Hardcore hip hop → Hardcore hip-hop
• History of hip hop dance → History of hip-hop dance
• Hungarian hip hop → Hungarian hip-hop
• I.O.U. (hip hop group) → I.O.U. (hip-hop group)
• Icelandic hip hop → Icelandic hip-hop
• InI (hip hop group) → InI (hip-hop group)
• Indian hip hop → Indian hip-hop
• Indonesian hip hop → Indonesian hip-hop
• Industrial hip hop → Industrial hip-hop
• Iranian hip hop → Iranian hip-hop
• Irish hip hop → Irish hip-hop
• Islam and hip hop in the United States → Islam and hip-hop in the United States
• Islamic hip hop → Islamic hip-hop
• Israeli hip hop → Israeli hip-hop
• Italian hip hop → Italian hip-hop
• Ivorian hip hop → Ivorian hip-hop
• Japanese hip hop → Japanese hip-hop
• Jeff Jones (hip hop musician) → Jeff Jones (hip-hop musician)
• Jewish hip hop → Jewish hip-hop
• Jihadism and hip hop → Jihadism and hip-hop
• Kenyan hip hop → Kenyan hip-hop
• Knifefight (hip hop duo) → Knifefight (hip-hop duo)
• Korean hip hop → Korean hip-hop
• LGBTQ representation in hip hop music → LGBTQ representation in hip-hop
• Latin hip hop → Latin hip-hop
• Lebanese hip hop → Lebanese hip-hop
• List of Australian hip hop musicians → List of Australian hip-hop musicians
• List of Canadian hip hop musicians → List of Canadian hip-hop musicians
• List of Christian hip hop artists → List of Christian hip-hop artists
• List of Dutch hip hop musicians → List of Dutch hip-hop musicians
• List of East Coast hip hop record labels → List of East Coast hip-hop record labels
• List of Iranian hip hop artists → List of Iranian hip-hop artists
• List of Italian hip hop musicians → List of Italian hip-hop musicians
• List of Japanese hip hop musicians → List of Japanese hip-hop musicians
• List of Pakistani hip hop musicians → List of Pakistani hip-hop musicians
• List of Salvadoran hip hop musicians → List of Salvadoran hip-hop musicians
• List of Swedish hip hop musicians → List of Swedish hip-hop musicians
• List of West Coast hip hop artists → List of West Coast hip-hop artists
• List of West Coast hip hop record labels → List of West Coast hip hop record labels
• List of alternative hip hop artists → List of alternative hip-hop artists
• List of best-selling hip hop albums of the 2010s in the United States → List of best-selling hip-hop albums of the 2010s in the United States
• List of certified hip hop albums in Germany → List of certified hip-hop albums in Germany
• List of hip hop festivals → List of hip-hop festivals
• List of hip hop genres → List of hip-hop genres
• List of hip hop groups → List of hip-hop groups
• List of hip hop musicians → List of hip-hop musicians
• List of hip hop musicians from Atlanta → List of hip-hop musicians from Atlanta
• List of hip hop musicians from New York City → List of hip-hop musicians from New York City
• List of hip hop record labels → List of hip-hop record labels
• List of murdered hip hop musicians → List of murdered hip-hop musicians
• List of number-one hip hop albums of 2015 (Germany) → List of number-one hip-hop albums of 2015 (Germany)
• List of number-one hip hop albums of 2016 (Germany) → List of number-one hip-hop albums of 2016 (Germany)
• List of number-one hip hop albums of 2017 (Germany) → List of number-one hip-hop albums of 2017 (Germany)
• List of number-one hip hop albums of 2018 (Germany) → List of number-one hip-hop albums of 2018 (Germany)
• List of number-one hip hop albums of 2019 (Germany) → List of number-one hip-hop albums of 2019 (Germany)
• List of political hip hop artists → List of political hip-hop artists
• List of years in hip hop music → List of years in hip-hop
• Lofi hip hop → Lofi hip-hop
• MBS (hip hop) → MBS (hip-hop)
• Macedonian hip hop → Macedonian hip-hop
• Machi (hip hop group) → Machi (hip-hop group)
• Malawian hip hop → Malawian hip-hop
• Malayalam hip hop → Malayalam hip-hop
• Malaysian hip hop → Malaysian hip-hop
• Mami (hip hop) → Mami (hip-hop)
• Members Only (hip hop collective) → Members Only (hip-hop collective)
• Mexican hip hop → Mexican hip-hop
• Middle Eastern hip hop → Middle Eastern hip-hop
• Milwaukee hip hop → Milwaukee hip-hop
• Mongolian hip hop → Mongolian hip-hop
• Moroccan hip hop → Moroccan hip-hop
• Native American hip hop → Native American hip-hop
• Natural Elements (hip hop group) → Natural Elements (hip-hop group)
• Nepalese hip hop → Nepalese hip-hop
• New Zealand hip hop → New Zealand hip-hop
• New-school hip hop → New-school hip-hop
• Nigerien hip hop → Nigerien hip-hop
• Old-school hip hop → Old-school hip-hop
• Onyx (hip hop group) → Onyx (hip-hop group)
• Pakistani hip hop music → Pakistani hip-hop music
• Palestinian hip hop → Palestinian hip-hop
• Paper Tiger (hip hop producer) → Paper Tiger (hip-hop producer)
• Paris Texas (hip hop group) → Paris Texas (hip-hop group)
• Partner violence in hip hop → Partner violence in hip-hop
• Pinoy hip hop → Pinoy hip-hop
• Point Blank (hip hop group) → Point Blank (hip-hop group)
• Polish hip hop → Polish hip-hop
• Political hip hop → Political hip-hop
• Romani hip hop → Romani hip-hop
• Romanian hip hop → Romanian hip-hop
• Russian hip hop → Russian hip-hop
• Salvadoran hip hop → Salvadoran hip-hop
• Samoan hip hop → Samoan hip-hop
• Scottish hip hop → Scottish hip-hop
• Senegalese hip hop → Senegalese hip-hop
• Serbian hip hop → Serbian hip-hop
• Silent Majority (hip hop group) → Silent Majority (hip-hop group)
• Singapore hip hop → Singapore hip-hop
• Sisyphus (hip hop group) → Sisyphus (hip-hop group)
• Slovak hip hop → Slovak hip-hop
• Slovenian hip hop → Slovenian hip-hop
• Sole (hip hop artist) → Sole (hip-hop artist)
• Souleye (hip hop artist) → Souleye (hip-hop artist)
• Southern hip hop → Southern hip-hop
• Sri Lankan hip hop → Sri Lankan hip-hop
• Sugar Hill Records (hip hop label) → Sugar Hill Records (hip-hop label)
• Sugar Hill Records (hip hop label) discography → Sugar Hill Records (hip-hop label) discography
• Swedish hip hop → Swedish hip-hop
• Swish (hip hop producer) → Swish (hip-hop producer)
• Swiss hip hop → Swiss hip-hop
• Taiwanese hip hop → Taiwanese hip-hop
• Tanzanian hip hop → Tanzanian hip-hop
• Task Force (hip hop group) → Task Force (hip-hop group)
• Thai hip hop → Thai hip-hop
• The Dogs (American hip hop group) → The Dogs (American hip-hop group)
• The Firm (hip hop group) → The Firm (hip-hop group)
• The Regiment (hip hop group) → The Regiment (hip-hop group)
• The Weathermen (hip hop group) → The Weathermen (hip-hop group)
• Timbuktu (hip hop artist) → Timbuktu (hip-hop artist)
• Togolese hip hop → Togolese hip-hop
• Toronto sound (hip hop) → Toronto sound (hip-hop)
• Turkish hip hop → Turkish hip-hop
• Twin Cities hip hop → Twin Cities hip-hop
• U.N. (hip hop group) → U.N. (hip-hop group)
• Ugly Duckling (hip hop group) → Ugly Duckling (hip-hop group)
• Ukrainian hip hop → Ukrainian hip-hop
• Underground hip hop → Underground hip-hop
• VVIP (hip hop group) → VVIP (hip-hop group)
• Visionaries (hip hop group) → Visionaries (hip-hop group)
• Webster (hip hop artist) → Webster (hip-hop artist)
• Welsh hip hop → Welsh hip-hop
• West Coast hip hop → West Coast hip-hop
• Yemeni hip hop → Yemeni hip-hop
• Young and Restless (hip hop band) → Young and Restless (hip-hop band)
• Zimbabwean hip hop → Zimbabwean hip-hop
• 116 (hip hop group) → 116 (hip-hop group)
• 1979 in hip hop music → 1979 in hip-hop
• 1980 in hip hop music → 1980 in hip-hop
• 1981 in hip hop music → 1981 in hip-hop
• 1982 in hip hop music → 1982 in hip-hop
• 1983 in hip hop music → 1983 in hip-hop
• 1984 in hip hop music → 1984 in hip-hop
• 1985 in hip hop music → 1985 in hip-hop
• 1986 in hip hop music → 1986 in hip-hop
• 1987 in hip hop music → 1987 in hip-hop
• 1988 in hip hop music → 1988 in hip-hop
• 1989 in hip hop music → 1989 in hip-hop
• 1990 in hip hop music → 1990 in hip-hop
• 1991 in hip hop music → 1991 in hip-hop
• 1992 in hip hop music → 1992 in hip-hop
• 1993 in hip hop music → 1993 in hip-hop
• 1994 in hip hop music → 1994 in hip-hop
• 1995 in hip hop music → 1995 in hip-hop
• 1996 in hip hop music → 1996 in hip-hop
• 1997 in hip hop music → 1997 in hip-hop
• 1998 in hip hop music → 1998 in hip-hop
• 1999 in hip hop music → 1999 in hip-hop
• 2000 in hip hop music → 2000 in hip-hop
• 2001 in hip hop music → 2001 in hip-hop
• 2002 in hip hop music → 2002 in hip-hop
• 2003 in hip hop music → 2003 in hip-hop
• 2004 in hip hop music → 2004 in hip-hop
• 2005 in hip hop music → 2005 in hip-hop
• 2006 in hip hop music → 2006 in hip-hop
• 2007 in hip hop music → 2007 in hip-hop
• 2008 in hip hop music → 2008 in hip-hop
• 2009 in hip hop music → 2009 in hip-hop
• 2010 in hip hop music → 2010 in hip-hop
• 2011 in hip hop music → 2011 in hip-hop
• 2012 in hip hop music → 2012 in hip-hop
• 2013 in hip hop music → 2013 in hip-hop
• 2014 in hip hop music → 2014 in hip-hop
• 2015 in hip hop music → 2015 in hip-hop
• 2016 in hip hop music → 2016 in hip-hop
• 2017 in hip hop music → 2017 in hip-hop
• 2018 in hip hop music → 2018 in hip-hop
• 2019 in hip hop music → 2019 in hip-hop
• 2020 in hip hop music → 2020 in hip-hop
• 2021 in hip hop music → 2021 in hip-hop
• 2022 in hip hop music → 2022 in hip-hop
• 2023 in hip hop music → 2023 in hip-hop
• 2024 in hip hop music → 2024 in hip-hop
• 2025 in hip hop music → 2025 in hip-hop

– For consistency in titles of subtopics of Hip-hop, which was moved from Hip hop music per Talk:Hip-hop#Requested move 23 November 2024. The relevant portion of InfiniteNexus's nomination about the hyphen is:

Ngrams show "hip-hop" as the overwhelmingly preferred term; this holds true when narrowing down to only noun forms. Dictionaries that use a hyphen include the OED, Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, American Heritage, Collins, Britannica, Dictionary.com, The Free Dictionary, Vocabulary.com, and our own sister site Wiktionary; Longman was the only outlier I found. Several of these dictionaries specifically identify "hip hop" as the less common variant. Furthermore, the AP Stylebook recommends "hip-hop" and the Encyclopedia Britannica also uses "hip-hop", as do Spotify and Apple Music.

SilverLocust 💬 09:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, per nom rationale--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This suggested move is too big to make with faulty reasoning. If sources agreed on the hyphen, which they don't, then we would only insert the hyphen when it is used as a descriptor term to modify another word. In that case we would write "the music of hip hop" without the hyphen, and "hip-hop music" with the hyphen. In any case, the legion of sources not using the hyphen presents a massive blockade to the suggested move. Many scholarly books exist that do not hyphenate the topic, such as Religion and Hip Hop, The Hip Hop Movement, Hip Hop Africa: New African Music in a Globalizing World, The Soul of Hip Hop, Hip Hop Versus Rap: The Politics of Droppin' Knowledge, Roc the Mic Right: The Language of Hip Hop Culture, From Soul to Hip Hop, White Hip Hoppers, Language and Identity in Post-Modern America, and Beyond Christian Hip Hop. Binksternet (talk) 14:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support moves, if I'm understanding your comment correctly, I think the nominator's proposal addresses your concerns; they narrow the search to noun terms. The noun can have a hyphen in it; it's not necessarily required that it be an adjective form (i.e. "hip-hop music") to have a hyphen in it. Even the Hip-hop wikipedia article has the hyphenated noun form in both title and in much of the body.

Either way I think the other evidence presented in the proposal is really significant; the anecdotes you present don't outweigh them I think. seefooddiet (talk) 09:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The presence of sources that use the "hip hop" spelling is not in question, but the Ngrams are compelling evidence that "hip-hop" is the prevailing style. In any case, the RM just days ago established a consensus for "hip-hop" on this article, and being WP:CONSISTENT is desirable. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. KOLANO12 3 17:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support removing "music" from the year articles, no comment on others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support changing hip hop to hip-hop for consistency with hip-hop and because it's more common. Ericfood (talk | contribs) 16:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support All this over a hyphen that barely changes search results or anything remotely relevant is a bit strange but as this user has shown that it is more common and as this has been moved from hip hop music to hip-hop I don't see why not move it.

This0k (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support for consistency. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support per noms reasoning and the concerns others have noted about being consistent. Also flagging that Category:Hip hop and its subcats may be worth renaming. Alyo (chat·edits) 15:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close This RM wasn't necessary, as the previous RM already "authorized" these associated moves. Local consensus on these articles cannot override larger consensus on the parent article, per WP:CONLEVEL. But since it's been nominated, sure, support. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  WP:NOTOTHERPAGES. If you don't include other articles in an RM, then any WP:CONSUB cleanup is as a bold move. SilverLocust 💬 06:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  ... except in the very clearest and not-even-plausibly controversial situations. Obviously, an RM should not result in a unrelated or tangentially related move. However, when we are talking about "child" articles that contain the title of the parent article, it is uncontroversial for those related pages to be mass-moved because no argument can reasonably be made for them to not be moved. For example, if Twitter is one day moved to X (social network), Tweet (social media) would not automatically be moved to X post, but List of most-followed Twitter accounts would. This is why WP:C2D exists for categories. InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support for consistency and per nom Feeglgeef (talk) 04:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support I'm not sure if this is the right place for this (though to be fair, they all fall under the hip-hop category), but per nominee, previous move, and others above. LoTrWiki (talk) 03:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.