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Dream Mall (Taiwan)

...What about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Mall — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.35.237.135 (talk) 09:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Largest Mall in Latin America

According to the Wikipedia article at Centro Santa Fe, this Mall in Mexico City is the largest shopping center in latin america with approx. 400,000 square metres (4,305,564 sq ft) in size. It is in the list but with a very different size. Can somebody clarify? Tyset (talk) 16:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yorkdale Shopping Center should be on this list

It is large enough to be on this list. I would fix it myself but I don't know how. Here's its Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkdale_Shopping_Centre — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.194.179.88 (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Malls

Speaking of malls, an article in the Wall Street Journal ("The New Spot for Giant Malls: Asia," September 16, 2006; Page P6) states that "The world's largest mall, the South China Mall in Dongguan, an industrial city on the Pearl River delta near Hong Kong, has 50% more floor space than the Pentagon, which is the world's largest office building." This seems to be confirmed by a New York Times graphic appearing on The Seoul Times web site, which gives the area of the mall as 9,580,000 ft2 (890 011 m2) total area and 7,100,000 ft2 (659 611 m2) of shopping space [1]. That's not as big as the Aalsmeer Flower Auction (currently listed as largest for footprint and floor area), but worth mention. 130.153.28.208 11:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I merged the mall list into here as malls are among the largest buildings in the world.--Jorfer 21:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dubai Mall

The main article for Dubai Mall claims the size will be 12 million square feet, while this article lists only 5.5 million. I don't know which is accurate. Or perhaps is the 5.5 referring to the current size? --Trakon 10:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main article for Dubai Mall claims that fourth largest by gross leaseable ares. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.236.112.33 (talk) 11:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GLA?

It says GLA in the lead, but some malls clearly give the total area of the facility. Until all numbers are proven to be GLA's, I've added {{Disputed}}. PhoenixTwo 21:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of the world's largest shopping malls

I don't see Plaza Las Americas on the list(its suppossed to be #25). --BoricuaPR 03:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forbes.com Recently Has their List of the Largest Mall and it deviates a little from the list here in wikipedia

heres the link: http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/15/retail-shopping-malls-biz-commerce-cx_tvr_0115malls.html (Update link)

The Main source from Connecticut University is a bit American-centric trying to fit in as many American Malls as possible. I suggest we used Forbes.com a much world renowned source.

I totally agree. SM Mall of Asia ranks 3rd; SM Megamall 5th; SM City North EDSA 9th. But the wikipedia article says otherwise in terms of GLA. Forbes Magazine is much trustable in this matter. This Top 10 List was released a few weeks ago and was reported in many news channels/shows. --- Laibcoms (talk | Contribs) 02:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This Wikipedia list has changed a lot since then, rather than relying on one list I have tried to find reliable independent sources for each building. I have found that almost every source has a different GLA size for each mall and have tried to use the most reliable one for each.CStubbies 17:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shopping Dom Pedro Campinas, Brazil

Shopping Dom Pedro Campinas (http://www.parquedpedro.com.br/) has 450.000 square metre of total area. I don't know the gross leasable area, but its at least 148.61 square metre, making it the biggest one on South America. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=-22.849325,-47.062082&spn=0.009412,0.014591&t=k&z=16&om=1

Worlds Largest Shopping Malls - Confusion in listing

The list of the worlds largest shopping mall seems to have created confusion with GLA and overall area. The Nordstan in Sweden has an overall area of 320,000sq meters, however that has been listed in the GLA column, this makes the mall sound like one of the worlds largest, when it crearly is'nt. On the other hand the MetroCentre in England, which is Europe's second largest mall (after the Cevahir Mall) with a GLA of 1,780,000 square feet (165,000 m²), and the Bluewater Centre also in England with 1,675,000 ft² (155,700 m²) GLA is not mentioned either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.218.171 (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading guinness world records 2009 and one the canada page they list West edmonton mall as the worlds largest shopping center. I know it was at one point but this doesnt seem to be the case anymore. worth mentioning in the artical?--Blood Panther (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Same thing with Santafe Mall in Bogota, they are counting thw whole AREA no the GLA. --BoriPR (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+1 on the Metro centre. I came here querying where it came in the list and wasn't even listed?? --Nibinaear

And now the Metro centre has magically doubled in size because somebody added half the retail space in Tyne and Wear to the GLA. Don't have a horse in the race, but surely these numbers should match the numbers on the individual pages? 143.159.107.20 (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)calebu2[reply]

Belaya Dacha Mall, outside Moscow

probably should be on the mall list:

"The Belaya Dacha Mega mall outside Moscow, developed by Ikea like the mall here in Novosibirsk, opened in 2004. It has 330,000 square meters, or 3.6 million square feet, of interior space, about the same size as the 3.5 million square feet of interior space at the United States’ largest mall, the Mall of America, outside Minneapolis. That does not include the Mall of America’s seven-acre amusement park."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/business/worldbusiness/17mall.html?pagewanted=2&ref=world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.71.84 (talk) 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mall areas

The areas given for some of the shopping malls seem to be exaggerated:

Recent press releases about the opening of Dubai Mall mainly quote 344,000 sq m.
The article on South China Mall says it has closed, and the "Mall of misfortune" reference suggests that construction may not have been completed.

For later comments about this mall see the section on South China Mall

Google Maps "user content" locates the Golden Resources Mall at 39°57′25″N 116°16′55″E / 39.957°N 116.282°E / 39.957; 116.282 and its "satellite" view shows a building that is 570 m long and 110 m wide. The article says it has 6 floors giving a total floor area of about 380,000 sq m, and the gross leasable area (GLA) must be less.
After looking at Google Maps, I also have doubts about CentralWorld, Jamuna Future Park, Dream Mall, the three SM malls, Cevahir Mall, and Sambil.
The list is not sorted properly, and there are discrepancies between the square foot and square metre columns.

Sources such as Eastern Connecticut State University say that claimed GLA may not be consistent or entirely reliable, so I do not know how accurate figures can be obtained without original research. But I think readers should be warned to use the list with caution. JonH (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE:

User Rockysmile11 has fixed the sorting and numbering of the list and also the foot/metre conversions. Now it really does list 20 malls. Before there were 23 entries!
User Edson Rosa has added Aricanduva Mall to the list with a GLA of 365,000 sq m. But before Rockysmile11's changes, it was listed with GLA 242,300 and total area 365,000, and the Números do Shopping tab of [2] appears to confirm this (although I am not sure because I do not read Portuguese).
As mentioned above, after looking at Google Maps I doubted the 348,000 sq m GLA of Cevahir Mall. I have now found that the managing agents say there is "85,377 sqm of net retail space and 20,014 sqm of leisure" [3]. These add up to just 105,391 sq m. Strangely, although they say there is "a gross area of 420,000 sqm over 6 floors", the site is only "6.7 hectares" (67,000 sq m).

JonH (talk) 10:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above link is now here, where they now list "101,733 sqm of retail space and 20,014 sqm of leisure". However, I was able to dig up a GLA figure of 110,00 sq m at the mall's website. Either way it has no business to be on the list. -- Orionist ★ talk 03:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SOME MORE UPDATES:

I am pretty sure the numbers for Central World are correct. The image from Google Earth is taken when the extensions were still under construction. The size is difficult to calculate though, as parts of the mall has 20 floors.

Data from Jamuna Future Park's website suggests it is much smaller than that. Besides it is not even completed. It's built on 10 acres of land and has 9 floors (2 floors have parking).

For later comments about this mall see the section on Jamuna Future Park

The SM Malls in Philippines all show Gross Floor Area as Gross Leasable Area. SM Malls of Asia is built on 4 separated buildings.

For later comments about these malls see the section on SM Malls

Looking at the Cevahir Mall from Google Earth, it's about 180*180+60*60 m. It is supposedly 6 floors high. That only adds up to about 200.000 sqm in total area.

The Dream Mall say the total area in 400.001 sqm, not the GLA. It should be removed. The Sambil Mall also seems to be based on total floor area.

Both Future Park (Rangsit) and Seacon Square in Bangkok has total floor areas of about 500.000 sqm, and can be considered to be in the list if someone find the details.

Chrislarsson 20 December 2008

plese update the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.24.104.150 (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least half of the malls should not be on the list. Some are not even completed, others are using the total floor area as GLA. Even when fixed, the list consistently gets updated by people with national emotions.

The list will never be accurate until there is a way to independently check that the stated floor areas are correct.

--Christoffer Larsson (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed 8 malls from the list:

Mall of India - Not completed

See also the section on Jamuna Future Park

FURTHER UPDATES:

The article is improving, but exaggerated areas continue to be added. For example, Mall Taman Anggrek is listed with a GLA of 360,000 sq m although the "lettable retail space" is only 110,000 sq m according to Mal Taman Anggrek. JonH (talk) 12:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is meant by "Total Area"? The 2008 annual report of Emaar Properties says that the "total internal floor area" of The Dubai Mall is 5.9 million sq ft and the "gross leasable space" is 3.77 million sq ft. So what measurement does 12.1 million sq ft represent? If it is the "external area" of the building as opposed to the "internal area", the walls of the building must be absurdly thick! JonH (talk) 13:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

JonH, this is a great question, I have no idea what it means. The disparity between internal floor area and leasable space v. total area for the Dubai Mall is troublesome. I did a google maps comparison a few months ago of the Dubai Mall vs. the New South China Mall (which is the largest by leasable space), and the footprint of the Dubai place does seem bigger.[4]. I am assuming the Dubai figure includes a massive amount of parking space or other open space? This wouldn't surprise me as the Dubai goal is to be be the biggest, most awe-inspiring, etc., with these projects--Milowent (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jamuna Future Park

Jamuna Future Park will have an area of 4,50,000 sft per floor. Why is it not included in the list? TheDhakaiya 28th December 2008

Jamuna Future Park has 10 STORIES SO WHY IS IT NOT ON THE LIST? I KEEP PUTTING IT UP BUT SOME GENIUS KEEPS REMOVING IT. Its actually 450,000 sq feet times 10 stories making it 4.5 MILLION SQ FEET. And its on 33 Acres not 10 Acres as someone suggested. This is a CONSPIRACY against our beloved BANGLADESH. PLEASE don't remove it again.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amar11372 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also its 10 stories because 2 stories as parking, 7 stories for shopping, and plus 1 story for a hypermarket. 2+7+1= 10 stories. Its basic mathematics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amar11372 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also someone said it doesn't look big on Google map. Well duh!!! Google map is 2D and not 3D. JFP has 9 stories + 1 story for super/hyper market remember. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amar11372 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from the list - Not completed, and numbers provided are based on total floor area, not GLA. Christoffer Larsson (talk) 06:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SM Malls

SM Malls are all measured in GFA, since SM Owns the entire GFA, in the definition of GFA=GLA, Also, SM's hallways and all other spaces have been converted to Leasable space, which account's it's GFA as GLA even more. Google Maps for the Philippines is about 3-4 years old, many buildings has been changed/added since then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cq40 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 4 SM Malls in the Philippines removed from the list - this is the official site (http://www.smprime.com/index.php) for correct floor spaces. Christoffer Larsson (talk) 06:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SM Mall Of Asia http://www.smmallofasia.com 386,000 sqm (Original) http://tigertales.sg/2008/11/01/all-things-great-mall/ 410,000 sqm (Expanded) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cq40 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The SEC report by SM Prime Holdings gives the following figures for "gross floor area" in square metres: City North EDSA 424,691; Mall of Asia 406,961; Megamall 346,789; City Cebu 268,611. The "gross leasable area" is not given for those four malls, but it is given for some of the smaller malls: Bacolod GFA 61413 GLA 46683; Fairview GFA 154183 GLA 136883; Pampanga GFA 17439 GLA 14025; Davao GFA 75440 GLA 56065; Dasmarinus GFA 79792 GLA 54809; Batangas GFA 76819 GLA 58012. I do not understand the first comment above by Cq40: in any mall the building owner owns the entire GFA, so what is different about the SM malls? I suggest that the GFA figures are listed in the "Total Area" column, and that these malls are ranked by assuming that GLA is 75% of GFA until more accurate GLA figures are found. JonH (talk) 22:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, It's SM's assumption of GLA being equated to GFA as they made all points of the mall leasable. They also own 100% of the entire building that all points visible inside are leasable, but i'm not contesting anything, just explaining that their GFA is different that the regular GFA. True that their Smaller malls has GLA info released and to why the bigger SM Mall's GLA is still unreleased remains a mystery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cq40 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

South China Mall

The South China Mall was never closed. It was renamed to New South China Mall and redeveloped. I was there two weeks ago. I have no idea why it was taken off this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.23.189 (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The South China Mall is still open. At the very least, the information in the article that it "Turned down" last year is incorrect. The mall's website doesn't seem to have had any news releases posted on it since 2006 or so. But the mall still exists, appears to be open and it doesn't seem appropriate that it has been removed from the list.Ruedetocqueville (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article on the mall is wrong. A news piece linked to the Wiki article describes a January/February 2009 event at the mall. Ruedetocqueville (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me guys.

Does the New South China Mall is already open to the public again?

Some malls that are listed on here are not yet completed i think... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shin368 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lock this thing plz

Semi-protect this article cause guests may edit uncontrollably.--99 time 14:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockers99 (talk • contribs)

List of shopping malls should be split

I suggest we split the list of shopping malls to its own article. It doesn't make since that it's the only category here with a full list instead of just adding the biggest to the special categories section. I looked into the history and found that it did have its own article a while ago, and I have no idea what could be the rationale behind the merge. I'll keep the status quo for now to see if anyone has any complaints. -- Orionist ★ talk 08:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - We already have List of largest shopping malls in the United States, so we mind as well have a standalone list for the world's largest shopping malls. Dough 48 72 20:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shopping Malls cleanup

I'm revamping the shopping malls list. Here I'll add the items I remove, so that when they open, or when we have reliable GLA data, they can be re-added to the list. -- Orionist ★ talk

Malls yet to open

Rank by GLA	Mall	Location	Gross Leasable Area (GLA)	Total Area	Remarks
7	Jamuna Future Park	Dhaka	4.1 million sq ft	5.45 million sq ft	Due to open in June 2011.
14	American Dream Meadowlands	New Jersey	278,700 m² (3.0 million sq ft)	1,022,000 m² (11.0 million sq ft)	Due to open in Fall 2013. Ref
19	Westfield Stratford City	London	269,000 m² (2,900,000 sq ft)	1,021,933 m² (11,000,000 sq ft)	Due to open 2011

I updated info on the American Dream Meadowlands, they downsized their plans significantly and are 2+ years behind schedule. --MikeUMA (talk) 19:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Malls with no GLA data

The SM malls in the Philippines don't provide GLA numbers, they provide instead what they call GFA (gross floor area). If you look at The SEC report by SM Prime Holdings you'll find out that GFA≠GLA, and they give GLA for their smaller malls only (see #SM Malls above), maybe to keep their malls on lists similar to this one (even Forbes seems to have fallen for that). The total area numbers that used to be on the list before I cleaned it up are in contradiction to the above mentioned report and the official websites of the malls, and they aren't sourced and can't be found anywhere. As for Future Park Rangsit their website claims Construction area of 500,000 sqm. The 280,000 sq m GLA number seems logical, but I cannot find any source to support it, so it stays here for now.

Rank by GLA	Mall	Location	Gross Leasable Area (GLA)	Total Area	Remarks
6	Dream Mall	Kaohsiung City		400,000 m² (4.5 million sq ft)
16	High Street Phoenix [5]	Mumbai		307,000 m² (3.30 million sq ft)
2	SM City North EDSA	Quezon City		424,691 sq m
5	SM Mall of Asia	Pasay City		406,961 sq m
12	SM Megamall	Mandaluyong City		346,789 sq m	Includes the North and South Wing Buildings connected via Bridgeway and the Atrium.
19	SM City Cebu	Mabolo, Cebu City		268,611 sq m	Consists of Northwing and Southwing. Largest mall in Central Philippines
	Future Park Rangsit	Bangkok	280,000 m² (3,013,895 sq ft)	500,000 m² (5,381,955 sq ft)

Other

Ayala malls are smaller than stated in their articles which don't support numbers by references. A look into their 2009 Annual Report (you can also read it in PDF) you'll find that the biggest is Glorietta at a GLA of 223,000 sqm (sec1:p38), which short of the list threshold, and might even be exaggerated since from reading the report it seems that there's also some office space in Glorietta 5 (Sec1:133), not mentioning that Glorietta 1 and 2 were closed and being redeveloped (Sec1:39) with no info as to how that affects the GLA.

Update 1

During my search I came across old threads in several message boards (like [http://www.skyscrapercity.com/printthread.php?t=248848&pp=20&page=193 this one]) that lead me to suspect GLA numbers for SM malls were available sometime ago, before SM Holding decided to use the confusion of GFA/GLA to their PR advantage. So I dug up old documents on their website and voila: they were in the 2006 Annual Report! On page No. 23 (page 25 of the PDF file) it says:

"With the opening of The Block, SM City North EDSA’s gross floor area has expanded to 331,861 sqm with a leasable area (LA) of 170,907 sqm. This compares with SM Mall of Asia’s GFA of 386,224 sqm and LA of 145,487 sqm. Incidentally, the third largest among SM malls is now SM Megamall with a GFA of 331,679 sqm and an LA of 184,411 sqm."

Great info, but we're not done yet. The three malls were expanded in the following years. I compared the 2006 GFA numbers to those in the 2008 Annual Report (which match the aforementioned (SEC report numbers), and I got the following:

SM Mall of Asia: 20,000 sqm GFA expansion. The 2006 report mentions on p.13 (p.15 of the PDF) that the planned "Esplanade Sunset Strip" will have a GFA of 17,000 sqm. So presumably the rest is taken by the "Planetarium and Discovery Center".
SM City North EDSA: 90,000 sqm GFA expansion. Confirmed in the 2008 report p.21 (p.23 of the PDF) as "The Annex".
SM Megamall: 15,000 sqm GFA expansion. On p.19 (p.21 of the PDF), the 2008 report not only confirms it as "The Atrium", but gives the actual GLA of the expansion: 8,120 sqm. By adding this to the 2006 number, we get 192,531 sqm of current GLA.

So this rules out the inclusion of SM Megamall. SM Mall of Asia is also ruled out, because, even if we consider all the added GFA as GLA (including the Discovery Center), the result will be only 165,487 sqm, way below the threshold for inclusion. The SM City North EDSA still has a (very slim) chance of making the list, albeit at the very bottom this time. It all depends on how much of the 90,000 Annex is actual GLA. 60,000 sqm or more is needed, which is highly unlikely, especially considering that it has a "Skygarden" and water features, not mentioning parking spaces. We'll have to wait and see.

I hope our task has become easier, because now we need to know the GLA of the expansions only. It might well turn out that the SM malls aren't even the largest in the Philippines, with Glorietta mall at 223,000 sqm. SM Holding used the confusion for their full advantage, as evident in every single marketing or PR material they publish. They even included the whole list of largest malls by the Eastern Connecticut University in the beginning of their 2007 Annual Report. The incredible thing is that the whole world fell for it, which tells you so much about research and journalism standards these days.-- Orionist ★ talk 08:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of world malls

I think the list of world malls should be separated out of the List for largest buildings of the world, it would be easier to find. I agree that malls are technically large buildings, but most people do no think of a mall as one large building.

YoMenashe (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what I'm suggesting above (see #List of shopping malls should be split). I'm holding off the split to see if anyone has a reason why it should stay here. If there's no complaints, I'll do the split soon. -- Orionist ★ talk 20:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think a voting will be ok. I SAY YES! --Mervynbunique (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. I SAY YES! --Royalforce (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The biggest mall

I doubt the credentials of the mall section. Why isn't anyone fixing this?!?!?22:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)Priapeace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priapeace (talk • contribs)

What exactly should we be fixing? If you have a good source with reliable numbers, post it here and I'll be more than happy to modify the list. By the way, deleting your past comments from this page is not cool. Regards, -- Orionist ★ talk 06:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What should we be fixing??? This list has created a lot of commotion among Wiki users because the malls in their countries are not on the list. That is why some people do not believe the credibility of the list, like saying this list is biased. You are eliminating some entries because some malls only provide Gross Leasing area (GLA). Why just based it on the area being leased??? Shopping malls now are more than just for shopping, GLA is not proportional to the size of the Mall. The list should be split into two - one is based on GLA, the other on Total Area - because GLA and Total area are independent of each other. You are trying to squeeze two list into one list. Please read my explanations below under -Largest/Biggest shopping malls in the world-. - Briarfallen (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SM Malls & other from the Philippines

There should be a solution to show the SM Malls, because the Philippines is one of the countries with the largest malls. Please help with answers :) (Maybe a list with malls by GFA for example).--Mervynbunique (talk) 19:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we'll do that when we finish working on this list. Just remember that this is a list of the biggest, not the best malls. Look at the depressing situation of the largest mall in the world (99% vacant.) Size alone doesn't matter. So don't be sad if the Philippines is not on the list, especially since there isn't one mall from Australia, Africa, or even Europe! Regards, -- Orionist ★ talk 06:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my suggestion. Start the section with an explanation that it is difficult to compare mall sizes because in Asia the published sizes are usually GFA, while in the rest of the world GLA is used. [By the way, I suspect that the "GLA" sizes for the Chinese malls may really be GFA.] Then have two separate lists: the 10 largest in Asia sorted by GFA, and the 10 largest in the rest of the world sorted by GLA. Use the "Remarks" column to explain some of the complications that we have discovered, and use an estimated GLA in cases like those discussed above under "Update 1". The result will be that readers of the article will have a better understanding of the true situation. JonH (talk) 11:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@ "Orionist" - I'm not sad. And if you look to the Forbes list, 2 of the top 4 Malls in the world are from the Philippines. So the Philippines is a powerhouse in that, nobody can't ignore that. Agree? And this Wikipedia site seems, they dont care about the Philippines. Thanks for the post :) --Mervynbunique (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@ "JonH" - Yes thats nice. But here's a Re-Suggestion. This site should split the malls in all continents. So it's easy to see how large the Asian malls compared to others are. Agree? If you think your suggestion is better, then i'll need help to do that ;) . Thanks to you too. --Mervynbunique (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to say it again. Philippines is a powerhouse: SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopping_mall#Largest_examples :) --- The largest mall ever is South China Mall in Dongguan, China with gross floor area of 892,000 m2 (9,600,000 sq ft). Unfortunately, it remains mostly empty. The world's second-largest shopping mall is the Golden Resources Mall in Beijing, China with gross floor area of 680,000 m2 (7,300,000 sq ft). The SM City North EDSA in the Philippines, which opened in November 1985, is the world's third-largest at 460,000 m2 (5,000,000 sq ft) of gross floor area, and SM Mall of Asia in the Philippines, opened in May 2006, is the world's fourth largest at 386,000 m2 (4,150,000 sq ft) of gross floor area. --Mervynbunique (talk) 22:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Largest/biggest shopping mall in the world

I thought this list is about the largest buildings in the world - physical size. Why would someone judge the size of the building of a mall based on the leasable area alone? This is absurd. There is too much confusion and argument because some users are trying to put two lists into one list. A Shopping mall is not just shops alone. Modern malls could have skating rinks, moviehouses, indoor promenades, amusement parks, water parks, church, museums, etc. Remember, this list is about the biggest "BUILDINGS" in the world. -- Briarfallen (talk) 07:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very good point, and it is an argument in favour of #List of shopping malls should be split (as listed above). There are lists such as List of largest shopping malls in the United States and List of the largest shopping centres in the United Kingdom by size which are successful because there are reliable sources that consider them as places for shopping, and that use GLA to measure the size. It is not unreasonable to want a similar worldwide list. But if the list were split out again into its own article, people would still want to know which is the largest building used as a shopping mall, and I guess there would be arguments over what counts as a separate building, what is meant by the 12.1 million sq ft total area of Dubai Mall, etc (see my previous comments on this page). JonH (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant by splitting the 'List is of the largest shopping malls in the world' into two is splitting the list, one is based on Gross Leasing Area and the other by Total Area. Some malls are built with shopping more in mind thus a great percentage of their space is intended for just shopping or leasing out; they give out their total leasing area and total areas. The other are built as Multi-function malls or Supermalls that have everything inside like amusement parks, churches, indoor promenade etc, occupying a great percentage of space, not just retail spaces. A shopping mall may not have an available total leasing area because they could have flexible rental spaces meaning their building is just humongous that they could rent spaces right in the middle of the promenade, or anywhere in the mall, or a section of the mall, dependent of customer preferences. Splitting the list by Continents is not the solution because still, some might give out their GLA or just their total area alone therefore continued confusion. And some malls are not included in the list because they do not have the information that somebody wants? Please read WP:OWNER. If they do not provide it now, they will not provide it in the near future because it is not important to them. Why exclude them from the list? I also read that some users, by just basing it on what they see on Google Earth, are hinting that some are cheating on dimensions, that's pathetic, like the rest of the world are cheaters.

In the end, there should be two list: one by GLA (more intended for shopping) and one by total area (the Multifunction malls). Those two factors are independent of each other. A mall might have a bigger leasing space but in a smaller tighter building or buildings; and the other malls might have bigger total area but a smaller percentage is used as retail spaces. There will no be end to this argument if you are trying to fit two list into just ONE list. Let's stop this arguing. If no one will do it, I will do the split myself. - Briarfallen (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I suggested the split more than three months ago (see #List of shopping malls should be split), it was not in response to your comment. And please spare me the drama and accusations of article ownership. If anything, I'm just trying to keep this list (a real spam magnet) at minimum WP standards, read Wikipedia:OWNER#Ownership_and_stewardship.

Why the list is by GLA? Simple, because it's the only meaningful measure. It tells how much shopping there is in the shopping center, not how much parking, toilets, offices, sporting venues, water features or open spaces. That's why it's used in all similar lists, and especially by shopping center bodies. Does it make sense if, in the List of largest hotels in the world, we added offices, shops and restaurants to the room count? Does it make sense if, in the List of tallest hotels in the world, we added skyscrapers that have just 10 floors for hotel use, while the rest is for residences and offices? We can just call them "Multi-function hotels" and get away with anything, right?

GLA is a very important figure: it indicates the main revenue-generating area. Management, shareholders and taxing authorities need to have it. It should be somewhere in the documents, you just have to look enough, if not, you should be able to obtain by asking for it. Those who don't provide it, hide it, or just emphasize the total area are doing this for marketing and PR reasons, and doing so could be an indication that it's not a significant number.

In fact, your above comments sound like they are taken straight from a mall's PR representative. "Multi-function"? "Supermalls"? That's pure PR hype, not the least the type used by SM Group to call their malls. Actually, all the malls on the list are very similar, they are all super-regional malls with entertainment elements. Nowadays it seems that even smaller malls, which would qualify as "regional", are getting their fix of entertainment, and cinemas have now become a staple in major malls. So why should we give malls in the Philippines a different treatment from those in North America (Which seems to be your main demand)? What does the Philippines' malls have that North-America's malls lack?

All shopping malls are built with shopping more in mind, sometimes people forget that their main feature is the shops. Any other additions are of secondary importance to the shops. These so called "attractions" are there to attract shoppers, and they only bring tiny revenues compared to rented areas. Attractions could also be used to raise the "prestige" of the mall, or serve as a focus for marketing and PR, and as material for media to chew on. Again, the main source of revenue is still the shops. Want to take SM malls as an example? a look at their 2009 Financial report, at page 8 you'll read "On the average, 86%, 10% and 4% of consolidated total revenues is composed of rental, cinema ticket sales and others, respectively." Add to that the huge costs of running a cinema and other amusement elements, and it puts a big dent even on those numbers.

By the way, there are places where shopping is not "more in mind", and they're called theme parks, museums, theaters, offices, hotels, resorts, airports, airplanes, cruiseships and what have you.

There is a huge problem with ranking malls by total area: What exactly does this total area cover? And where does it stop? For example, the listed total area of Berjaya Times Square includes two skyscrapers, why are these relevant? Malls with multilevel parking have those areas included in the total, others with outdoor parking around the mall don't. If the West Edmonton Mall includes its parking lot (20,000 cars, which they claim is the largest in the world) their area may become very close to that of Dubai Mall (14,000 cars) and it would rank just below it (or above it, who knows?) on the top of rankings. That makes the golden rule for inclusion: "put a roof on your parking lot, and get connected to a skyscraper". Yes, and don't forget the surrounding estate (which could be largely empty) is that also included? Can you see where I'm going?

If we're going to use such criteria for biggest malls, then we should add the Dubai Airport Duty-Free at the top. Afterall, its terminal 3 is the Largest building in the World, and that's only a part of it, as it's spread over two other terminals. I can imagine press releases: "The Dubai Duty-Free does not only house the largest building in the world, it also features a fully-functional international airport, with a 4 km runway, and capable of handling the A380 superjumbo! Now you can sip your coffee on a terrace overlooking the runway, watching the planes take off and land, while your kids are having loads of fun at the Super Baggage Carousel Amusement Park^TM! We have also introduced the revolutionary "Shop-Fly-Shop" concept, where you can go on vacation while shopping! We have more than 200 exotic destinations to choose from! At Dubai Duty-Free, excitement never ends!"

And why stop there? We have other, much bigger candidates: Disneyland, and Disney World (121.7 km² of total area), and if you want more, I can go on and on, ad absurdum.

Therefore, a list based on total area will be largely misleading and meaningless. Yes, it'd be interesting to do but I think that we need to finish working on this list before we get ourselves into another one.

The list still needs much work, malls need to be taken down and others need to be put up (I'm gathering an update for the coming days). Complaining why your country of residence/descent is not on the list won't solve anything. We need to do some real searching, the kind of searching that was not done by the only study available online, and the world's only source for this list, the one that caused this whole mess.

I hope we can agree on that, so I can use the time I spent writing this comment/essay on improving the article instead. Regards, -- Orionist ★ talk 19:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I just want to let you know that I am only here to help resolve the problems on this article, and I am also here to improve it, putting integrity back into this list. I just want make it clear that whenever I said total area, I meant Gross Floor Area (GFA), total area of the building, not the total area of the property. GFA's definition is everything inside the building (or some outside areas if it's developed for business) and EXcludes parking lots, and hotel areas for shopping centers. (The current numbers on Dubai Mall and Berjaya are wrong). I am still working on my references for a more informative lead section to avoid confusion about GFA and GLA but please also try researching about GFA for shopping centers as well. Based on what I read, the GLA definition on Wikipedia is incomplete and there are no references cited, so I would not depend much on it. I wish you don't have to pay to get into ICSC website lol. I found your remarks, though, a little sarcastic about including real theme parks and airport terminals into the list. Was I sarcastic when I presented my solution. I apologize if I was.

I am also from Orlando, FL and I am not here to represent a minority and I am just after the integrity of the list. This list came from the largest buildings in the world, so I was, and still am suggesting a separate GFA list - two separate list, one for GFA and one for GLA, because of different criteria around the world. Another suggestion, for a more transparent article, each numerical entry must have references included on the list based on reliable sites, similar to the List of largest shopping malls in the United States; each GLA entry have references. Briarfallen (talk) 18:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Centro Mayor

Hi! I've been a tad curious about how we handle this list, and I've been having fun looking into some of the shopping centers. One has made me curious, though. Centro Mayor is listed above Centro Comercial Santafé here, yet the article on Centro Mayor states that it is the third largest in Latin America, while the article on Centro Comercial Santafé claims that it is the third largest in the country. :) So curiously, we have the order 1) Centro Mayor, 2) Centro Comercial Santafé, 3) Aricanduva here, we get 1) Aricanduva, 2) ?, 3) Centro Mayor on the Centro Mayor article, and 1) Aricanduva, 2) Centro Mayor, 3) Centro Comercial Santafé in the Centro Comercial Santafé article. :)

Anyway, the best I could dig up is this statement from the Bogota local government:

With an investment of more than 400,000 pesos, Centro Mayor embraces a total area of 80,000 square meters, a construction area of 248,000 square meters and 102,000 square meters for sale. It counts with 440 commercial stores generated more than 1,600 jobs. Once the shopping mall is functioning, this number will increase to more than 1,800 permanent jobs.

Is it reasonable to assume that this means that the GLA for Mayor is 102,000 m² and the total area is 248,000 m², or should we assume that "square meters for sale" does not equate to GLA. - Bilby (talk) 00:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going with the assumption that the 248,000 refers to total built area or total property area. On those grounds the 102,000 figure is too small for this list, but is in keeping with the third largest shopping centre in Latin America claim. - Bilby (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

what is an area if count only foundation area???????

not floors or total area, but area of one floor???? it is impossible to compare if one building 20x20 metres has got 20 floors with a building 200x200 metres having only 2 floors...so the largest means covered area and not volume — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.132.97.4 (talk) 07:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Largest malls in Russia omitted

The list is lacking Russian malls: "Vegas", Moscow - 396 000 sq. m. MEGA Belaya Dacha, Moscow - 300 000 sq. m. Zolotoy Vavilon Rostokino, Moscow - 240 000 sq. m. Source (in Russian) http://yapotrebitel.ru/malls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.195.207.219 (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SM Megamall

This article claims that 800,000 people visit the mall every day - that means that 1 of every 115 people living in the Philippines (and 1 of every 14.5 people in Metro Manilla) visit the mall every day. That just seems unlikely to me (that 7% of those in the city will go to the mall every day.) --Trödel 13:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I think it's a typo. Should read: "8,000,000 a day" at least... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.147 (talk) 06:21, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's possible. The mall is huge. I'm there like every week and i still need to use the touchscreen maps on every top of escalator to find the store that i want to visit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.85.21.251 (talk) 08:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SM-Mall of Asia-Philippines 8th or 9th?

Why is it listed as the 8th on the list,but the 9th in the photo caption? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.147 (talk) 06:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Limketkai Mall

According to the Wikipedia article of Limketkai Mall it only has a total retail floor area of 150,152 sq.m and a total of 180 shops and restaurants. It seems someone here manipulated the data to create the illusion that Limketkai Mall is among the largest mall in the world. VisitCDO (talk) 09:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Limketkai is actually 320,000 sqm according to these articles: CDOPedia:CDO Trivia CDODev:Limketkai Mall. They have direct access to information as I know who these people are. So what they are telling/writing are legit. My7thsecret (talk) 02:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mall of Dhahran

For me Mall of Dhahran in Saudi is a large mall too... seems bigger than Mall of Asia. Any opinions? --NejiLoverr26 ~Tragedy Genre Writer~ 12:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Malls missing from the list

According to the Wikipedia list of Canada's largest malls, at least six of them are larger than the smallest one listed in this article. How could six be overlooked? Am I missing something? Is there something about this list I don't understand?

VinnyTheHack (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

                                                                                                                                                         The LULU mall situtated in kochi, india got missed in the list as it is the largest in india with an area of 230,000 squre meters. please keep up the informations up to date  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.66.104.73 (talk) 06:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Woodfield Mall, Schaumburg, IL, USA is 2.7M sq ft of retail space according to its Wikipedia page and not included in this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.219.207 (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Phoenix market city, Mumbai, India has 3.3M sq. ft of gross leasable area according to Wikipedia page " List of shopping malls in India" is not included in this list. User:Devina Kartha Nair 15:59, 06 June 2014 (IST)

Many more are missing, including Polaris Fashion Place, Easton Town Center, Tri-County Mall, Azrieli Center. The bottom line is that there are probably hundreds and hundreds of malls in the world that are over 100,000 Sq. m, and so listing just a few of them is misleading. It might make more sense to limit the list to single buildings only, but then you need to remove all the outdoor malls from the list (and there are quite a few of them). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.231.153.81 (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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hi.please compare the Esfahan city center and the Persian gulf complex GLA area.it is written in the list for GLA: esfahan city center:470,000 m² (4.5 million sq ft) persian gulf complex:450,000 m² (4.8 million sq feet) please notice that it is for sure impossible that Esfahan city center's area is larger by M^2 and smaller by sq feet!!! the list was some time right and correct until some people may changed it for some reasons.persian gulf is 5th and esfahan city center is 7th by comparing real GLA(470000 m2 for esfahan city center is wrong) as it was someday in the list too.please change this and please do no let people make that wrong again for their own purposes. p.s the real GLA for esfahan city center is 420000 m^2 or 4.5 sq feet and it's not even made it's half yet!just read the below link: http://www.isfahancitycenter.com/icc/about.php http://www.mallsandshopping.com/10-largest-shopping-malls-in-the-world.html 176.58.107.203 (talk) 17:18, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: Well spotted, thanks. An IP made the offending edit on 8 July, and I have manually reverted that. Note that this entry is uncited. Your second link reports that it is 7th largest, but as far as I can see, neither source gives the square footage. (That's why I've only marked it partly done.) --Stfg (talk) 10:54, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source now provided by User:James2ford and inserted. Thanks! --Stfg (talk) 12:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well done.thanks. - james2ford

Strange numbering

There are two at =8, yet the next is listed at 9. It should, of course, be 10. Similar errors exist in several places lower down the table. --Stfg (talk) 10:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that there are ties in some cases, like 17 where both malls are 350,000 square metres. The case you're discussing may not be an error, just a recognition that the malls in question are the same size. I see your comment was two years ago and that there is only one 8 and one 9 now....

A rather more troubling issue is that there is no number 1 in this list at the moment. The list starts at 2! Surely that's a pretty glaring omission: I'm very surprised that no one else has noticed this.

198.84.215.251 (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple lists on Wikipedia

This list doesn't seem to match the other one on Wikipedia for [US shopping malls]. Can these be reconciled?

Phoenix Market City, Mumbai, India

http://www.phoenixmarketcitymumbai.com/mall.aspx

2.1 mil square feet. Can someone add this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.185.161 (talk) 06:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Mall of Arabia is listed twice

at 26 and 76? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.34.173.36 (talk) 05:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Malls in South Africa

Please look into Canal Walk, Sandton City and the Mall of Africa. I believe they would make this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.14.150.34 (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Oak Park Mall in Overland Park Kansas

Should be number #117 on the list of largest shopping malls.

It was the first super-regional mall in the United States, and possibly the largest at the time. Interestingly to note, Overland Park Kansas was the first planned suburb in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Park_Mall

There's an interesting documentary about it about too. https://youtube.com/watch?v=G2BlyvN6EeI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:247:8201:3A63:D9BA:D604:5917:9677 (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CentralPlaza and WestGate CentralWorld Areas

According to articles of these malls, CentralPlaza is only 450,278sqm and WestGate is 430,000sqm. It seems someone is manipulating the areas of these malls just so they be on top. Let's just be honest with our edits please. My7thsecret (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Beijing Mall's Existence

Does this mall really exist (no. 22)? I can't find it in the internet (google maps, news, etc). Rigorimpossible (talk) 05:24, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything either. It's been on this list since the list started. Through several merges and unmerges, it goes all the way back to 2006 in the [[List of world's largest shopping malls.[6]

Throughout the history, there are no sources and there was always a wikilink to an article. The article, Beijing Mall, was created in 2016 with no sources but a few pictures. It's a bare bones stub right now.

I tried a few was of searching, with no luck. Lists of large malls, malls in China, malls in Beijing, reverse image searches (it turns out all malls look very similar...), etc. and have found nothing for the mall, other than Wikipedia's articles.

As the article's original creator, Another Believer, is a regular on Wikipedia, I'm hoping they can help us out here. If they can't help, I'll try for someone who can read Chinese to see what name the signs use. - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rigorimpossible and SummerPhDv2.0: The Beijing Mall definitely exists. I've been there and added some pictures to Commons, such as File:Beijing (November 2016) - 070.jpg, which clearly shows "Beijing Mall" in English in the middle display. Now, perhaps there is a better title for this article, and I'm ok with removing unsourced content from this list, but there should be no doubt about the mall's existence. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@そらみみ: Pinging you, in case you might have more information about Beijing Mall. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

According to this page, [7], it exists. But I didn't know that its English name is "Beijing Mall", so different from its Chinese name "新燕莎金街购物广场" (literally means "New Yansha Golden Street shopping mall").--そらみみ (talk) 01:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all. Looks like we're on our way with cleaning up this blank spot. Looks like the English name is "Golden Resources Mall"[8] or "Golden Resources Shopping Mall".[9]

If anyone wants to have at it, go for it. If not, I'll get around to it at some point. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a Wikipedia article for Golden Resources Mall. However, I have to say, the pictures I see of this mall do not look like the mall I visited, as seen commons:Category:Beijing Mall. I just want to make sure we're all discussing the same mall here... I think the mall I visited was along Wangfujing. @そらみみ: Sorry to bother again, but are you certain Beijing Mall and Golden Resources Mall are the same? I don't think Golden Resources Mall is near Wangfujing, right? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not the same. I couldn't find any English info on the Beijing Mall, but there's lots in Chinese. Λυδ α cιτγ 08:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They are not the same, but 2 shopping malls managed by the same company. "金源新燕莎Mall" is the one which can be translated to "Golden Resources New Yansha Mall"(金 means gold, 源 means resource).--そらみみ (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not sure I follow which English name Beijing Mall should be moved to, but I definitely invite someone to move and source the article appropriately. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly agree that Beijing Mall needs to be sourced and, in all likelihood, renamed. I also question whether it belongs here. "Golden Resources (Shopping) Mall" certainly seems to belong here and we don't have anything that says "Beijing Mall" is one of the largest (other than unsourced material apparently carried forward from ten years ago which may have been discussing a different mall). - SummerPhD^v2.0 14:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I support removing Beijing Mall from this list. Can we move discussion specific to the Beijing Mall over to Talk:Beijing Mall? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and removed it - Baidu suggests it's only 78,000 m^2 anyway. Assume the only reason it was on this list is because of the name confusion. Λυδ α cιτγ 03:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Missing Australian Malls

The article List of major shopping centres in Australia by size lists 25 shopping centres in Australia which are over 100,000 square meters. Only nine of these appear in this article. Easy work for another editor perhaps, but not for me. Cheers. TJN92 (talk) 10:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Consider this resolved - had some free time after all. There are still many glaring issues with this page including inconsistent numbering and confusion about whether to rank by GLA or "total area". Total area seems undefined and meaningless to me. Many malls have a many floors which affords them a large GLA, but are situated on a small plot of land. Should "total area" refer to the plot size, the total mall imprint size, the mall imprint size multiplied by the number of floors? GLA seems to be the best standard to me. I would even go as far as saying that total area should be removed from the list in place of something more meaningful like owner/operator, number of anchors, etc. TJN92 (talk) 05:25, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Table Numbering.

Rookie editor here - if there is a way to make the tables automatically update their ranking number that would be helpful in this article. Further, the ranking system doesn't exactly make sense at the moment - The Avenues, intu MetroCentre, New Century Global Center, Dream Mall, Siam Paragon, and Festival Alabang are all listed as equal 15th. The next entry, Sunway Pyramid, is listed as 16th. Should this read as 21st? This occurs several times across the list. TJN92 (talk) 10:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Needed

Citation needed for pretty much this entire page. So many unsourced figures for shop area and store count. More citations need to be given for the "remarks column" also. Otherwise, I have cleaned up the page a fair amount. TJN92 (talk) 09:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Westfield London

Westfield London, 242,000 m² (2,600,000 sq ft), should be there as the largest mall in the UK and in Europe. Also, MetroCentre is 200,000 m² (2,200,000 sq ft).

Some Malls are removed, some are transferred up

I noticed that some malls are given a wrong area just so it's ranked higher. If you'll notice the numbering, some numbers are missing.

I tried correcting some information, but the incorrect data is just too much. I can't edit them all. If you research some of the mall's area, they are just not correct here.

Somebody also moved high ranking malls to a lower group, they didn't even edit the numbers, exposing the incorrectness.

International Property Measurement Standards for Retail Buildings

Editors of this list may like to know that there are newly published International Property Measurement Standards for retail buildings, see [10]. The document has several diagrams illustrating the technicalities of measuring a shopping mall. The "total area" that was previously listed here for some malls is similar to the newly defined "IPMS 1" standard. The "gross leaseble area" is similar to the new "IPMS 3A - Retail", "IPMS 3B - Retail" and "IPMS 3C - Retail" standards (the difference between them relates to the areas occupied by external and internal walls and pillars). I do not expect the new terms to be adopted immediately, but in future years we might see them when mall sizes are reported.

By the way, thanks to everyone who quietly tries to keep this list valid and tidy. JonH (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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14	1 Utama ("1 Utama info page". Retrieved 2008-02-14.)	Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia		465,000 m² (5 million sq ft)
15	Mid Valley Megamall ("Mid Valley Megamall info page". Retrieved 2008-02-14.)	Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia		420,000 m² (4.52 million sq ft)