Talk:Snatcher (video game)

Character descriptions

Removed the spoilers and sorted the characters by time of appearance in the game. Please correct this if necessary. 84.182.81.72 23:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

You think we should add more details to the character's profile. Ominae 03:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Snatcher CD-ROMantic

"Snatcher CD-ROMantic" - what format was this on? It doesn't actually say in the description. Was it the PC-Engine Super CD-ROM? Or was it released on other platforms too?

Also, there are unofficial English (unfinished) and Portuguese (finished) translations of the MSX2 version of Snatcher floating around, if anyone cares. --Zilog Jones 03:32, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Snatcher CD-Romantic was just another title for the PC Engine version.

The English version of MSX2+ Snatcher has been finished for a few months, now. 87th 14:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

plot hole?

The picture of Jamie at the Moscow Olympics is not a plot hole. Examine it a few times and you will know what i mean. Manmonk 06:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean how they say it must be a composite? In the Sega CD version, it must be. In the Japanese versions, it's probably a real photo. Theswillman 08:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no. You get the same result in the Japanese versions of the game. It's part of the story. --Radicalfaith360(12/8/2008)

KONAMI CODE

It should be noted that the KONAMI code has not been confirmed to alter the game in any way. It was reported in a magazine that it uncensored the game, but the problem is that the game was released uncensored (at least as far as we know, anc compared to the version that was supposed to be released).

The differences that we know were censored from the PC-Engine version are mainly the twitching of Alice's intestines and the partial nudity of Lisa's Snatched body after Junking it. But, the Sega CD version was apparently going to have more parts censored, Alice's scene was very different in the preview the magazines received (just view the GameFan shots of Alice http://junkerhq.net/Snatcher/Alice/index.html), and these are the ones that were supposed to be uncensored to the version we all know.

Possible Sequel

Should Project 'S' be mentioned in the article? I'm sure the average Snatcher fan would be interested in the possibility of a sequel. Richard Cane 08:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Nothing has been said about Project S, the only basis is the letter S and the fact that suda is a fan. I don't think its very encyclopedic, its on the project s page, which i guess is alright for now... hopefully some word comes out soon but i say wait --JakeParker 03:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

We wait. That's it. Rumors are not encyclopedic.Cernex 06:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Project 'S' is SDatcher, a bi-weekly radio play aired on hideo kojima's podcast hideradio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.229.124.77 (talk) 16:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Neo Kobe Pizza

Can we add a small section for this?

Do you have some soups in mind? -- 84.182.78.243 23:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

--No, this does not belong in the article. It is an insignificant side quest which has no effect on the plot. --Radicalfaith360 4/28/2008

Failed "good article" nomination

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Merge proposal for SD Snatcher into this article

I was the one who proposed the merger. Right now, the article is just a stub and even if it ends up being expanded with a gameplay and plot section, the game is so closely tied to Snatcher, I don't see the point of having a separate article with mostly redundant information. Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. These are two distincly different games based on roughly the same story. As the name implies, SD Snatcher's graphic style is different, as is the game genre. -- Bakabaka (talk) 06:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Even if they're different games, they're still closely tied. Its an obscure spinoff of a semi-obscure cult game. I don't see how the gameplay of SD Snatcher and story differences with the original and CD-ROM versions couldn't be summarized in a single paragraph or two. I'm gonna expand the SD Snatcher once I've cleaned-up the main article, but if it ends up too short, expect a merge.Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I see your points, and they're valid. I'd like to add, though, that within the MSX2 game community, it was SD Snatcher that made a huge impression that lasted for years after its release. Admittedly, the MSX2 game community is an obscure part of game culture, buth within this community, it had effects most profound. Turn to any MSX(2)-related community and ask what the system's most impressive game was, and SD Snatcher is bound to be mentioned frequently. Especially in the Dutch MSX scene, many games and other software referenced or were inspired by SD Snatcher. Could this notability warrant a separate article? Of course, I'm willing to add this data to the article, but sadly I have few hard references. -- Bakabaka (talk) 12:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Strong opppose. SD Snatcher is a distinct game and it is notable in its own right, both for its importance within the MSX community as mentioned above and for its gameplay innovations, such as its innovative battle system, which I've recently elaborated on in the article using a reliable source I've found. Since there hasn't been anymore dicussion on this for some two and a half years, I don't see any reason to keep the tag for that long, so I'm removing it for now, but feel free to add it again if someone wishes to resume this discussion. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

MGS4

Does the inclusion of Gillian's leather trenchcoat in Metal Gear 4 merit mention in this article? Kouban (talk) 13:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Lack of recognition for voice acting

I noticed that on the Policenauts (released in 1994) page, the game is praised for being an early example of a game with extensive use voice acting, yet nothing is mentioned about the PC Engine version of Snatcher (released in 1992) having voice acting. Is this worth adding? Or is the voice acting in this game not quite extensive? Thomasbradleyh (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Plot Summary

Come on guys, would someone complete the plot section by writing out the whole story? The game has been out for years, yet no one has bothered to finish this article. The same should go for the Policenauts] article. I would do it myself, but I don't really have the time. --71.60.243.144 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Interview with Snatcher's Yoshinori Sasaki

Just an alert that the citation for the interview with Snatcher's Yoshinori Sasaki which was added to this article way back on June 8, 2008 is incorrect. I'm looking at Electronic Gaming Monthly number 65 right now and there is no such interview in there. Given that the game is reviewed in that same issue, it stands to reason that the interview must appear in either issue 63 or 64. (Assuming, that is, that the interview really exists and that the online transcript is not a simple fraud. Unlikely, but still a possibility we should be wary of.) I've been looking for those two issues but don't have them yet. If anyone out there has them, please check to see if you can find the interview, and let us all know what you find.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 June 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved both. Everyone wants a move and the majority of participants are in favour of moving both (i.e. having the dab page at the base location rather than a redirect to snatch theft). The argument in favour of redirecting, that the video game is meets the usage criterion while the crime meets the long-term significance criterion, is generally at RM an argument in favour of having the dab at the base location (essentially what they are arguing against) because when the criteria are split it generally makes sense to have neither as primary. Jenks24 (talk) 13:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Snatcher → Snatcher (video game)
• Snatcher (disambiguation) → Snatcher

– This article was disambiguated without discussion. Fortunately, I was able to remove the parenthetical phrase. Therefore, I can have the proposed title discussed properly, so readers don't get confused. George Ho (talk) 07:45, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support as nominated. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:19, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

There is only one article of the exact title, Anarchyte. But that won't matter, will it? George Ho (talk) 08:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Just because there's one article on the subject doesn't mean it's the primary topic. See WP:ONEBLUELINKDAB. This should be fine. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support first, oppose second. Of the two topics with articles, I think Snatch theft is the long-term significant primary topic here. Snatcher should be redirected to Snatch theft, with a hatnote to this article and the disambiguation page. SSTflyer 11:51, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support both moves. I agree there is no primary topic, but I don't think it should redirect to snatch theft. Nohomersryan (talk) 13:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Background investigation:
  • 14:06, 1 February 2016 In ictu oculi moved page Snatcher to Snatcher (video game)
  • 21:43, 1 February 2016‎ (seven hours later, in response to this discussion) In ictu oculi created Snatcher (disambiguation), but left Snatcher as a redirect to Snatcher (video game)
    • IIO also added the term "the snatcher" to the snatch theft article
    • ...but inexplicably fails to add a hatnote to Snatcher (disambiguation) to the top of the primary topic Snatcher (video game)
    • Making the base title for the primary topic a redirect to a parenthetical is unusual, but not unheard of. What was the rationale for that?
  • 07:38, 15 June 2016 George Ho moved page Snatcher (video game) to Snatcher over redirect (IIO, why moving it without discussion; I'll clean up your mess by creating the RM right now)
  • Just after this move, an understandably confused George finds a the dab and adds the necessary hatnote.

  I don't follow the logic of reverting a bold move that one agrees with, in the absence of any evidence of potential controversy. I see there is some animosity between you two.

  A little more attention to detail here would avoid the kind of confusion that leads to stirring up unnecessary drama. Try to just fix the oversights of others without making too much fuss. I find that I keep so busy clearing up these sorts of issues, that don't require admin tools to fix, that it detracts from the time I have to do tasks that actually do require the tools. wbm1058 (talk) 15:11, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support first. There seems to be strong agreement that the video game is not the primary topic. Snatching, Purse snatching, and Bag snatcher all redirect to Snatch theft, so why not Snatcher? Snatch theft is a crime committed by snatchers. I suppose bags are the items most commonly snatched, but snatchers could also snatch non-bagged items other than purses as well? Snatch theft averages 27 page views, while the video game averages over 100. So we have a situation where the two main criteria for primary topic are split. The video game leads in current usage, while the crime would be the PT based on long-term significance. I suspect that the game won't remain popular forever. wbm1058 (talk) 15:41, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support both. While the crime appears to be the topic with the most long-term significance here, the video game is currently the more popular subject at this point in time, per the stats from Wbm1058. If, in a few years, the popularity of the video game has gone down and snatch theft is now obviously the primary topic, then I think we can reconsider this then. However, for now, there is no primary topic, and Snatcher should be a disambiguation. Omni Flames (talk) 07:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Snatcher (video game)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheJoebro64 (talk · contribs) 19:59, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

The fact you've been waiting since October has been bothering me. JOEBRO64 19:59, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Lede

• Snatcher is set in the future in an East Asian metropolis... Simplify: Snatcher is set in a future East Asian metropolis...
  • Done
• Gameplay is primarily through a menu-based interface... IMO this reads a bit awkwardly, I'd replace "is" with "takes place"
  • Done
• Link to open world
  • Done
• ... so the setting and story are heavily influenced by science fiction cinema... I'd replace "cinema" with "films" to avoid repetition
  • Done
• Link to video game remake when you mention SD Snatcher. I'd also mention that it was released in 1990
  • Done
• Copyedit: "...for its cinematic presentation and mature themes which were uncommon in video games at the time
  • Done
• Overall a good summary of the article. JOEBRO64 16:51, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Gameplay

• Uncapitalize "move", "look", and "investigate" per MOS:CAPS
  • Done
• Link to open world and action game in the second paragraph.
  • Done
• Copyedit: "The Sega CD version supports the Justifier light gun that was packaged with Lethal Enforcers for these segments." JOEBRO64 14:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done

Plot

• Is "JUNKER" an acronym?
  • Yes, added
• ...only to find Gibson massacred by a pair of Snatchers. Simplify to "only to find a pair of Snatchers have killed him."
  • Done
• You refer to Gibson by his last name, but everyone else by their first names
  • Replaced with first name
• ...investigation.They learn... Add a space after the period
  • Done
• ...kills the Chief and speak to Harry briefly... Fix "speak" to "speaks"
  • Done
• I'd add a citation to the note. I know it's discussed later in the article, but without one it's technically WP:OR because it's based on your interpretation of the work.
  • Done
• Does Kremlin need quotation marks?
  • I think so because we are not talking about the real Kremlin

Development and release

• "...but were already over the allowed development schedule so were forced to abandon it and end the game on a cliffhanger."
  • Done
• Memory limitation issues... WP:EUPHEMISM
  • I think I fixed it
• Normally, MSX2 games were cheaper at retail than their PC-8801 counterparts, but the expansion cartridge increased the MSX2 version's price. Is there a way you could rewrite this to avoid repeating "MSX2"?
  • Done although it might still sound funny
• Link to porting at "...so it was chosen to host Snatcher's console port."
  • Done
• ...and reportedly sold very well for a PC Engine game. "Substitute 'damn' every time you're inclined to write 'very'; your editor will delete it and the writing will be just as it should be." – Mark Twain
  • Done
• After releasing their first game... "Their" should be "its". Konami is a thing, not a person. This applies to other instances as well.
  • Done
• There are also a few instances of the same refs being repeated (e.g. the first paragraph has three refs but they're all the same). See Wikipedia:Citation overkill#Needless repetition
  • Done, although I will say other GA reviewers have told me there should be footnote after every standalone idea. So if I say "Mary wore a red hat. Joe ran in the mud." Both sentences should have a footnote even if supported by the same source. I don't know which form is better, but maybe there's a happy middle.
• The translation took about 2–3 months. Revise the latter part to "two to three" JOEBRO64 12:13, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done

Reception

• Link to cult following in the first sentence
  • Done
• "It The game was still listed on their its 'Reader's Best 20' list two years after release."
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• The Sega Saturn version, released several years later, was found to be a faithful port of the PC Engine version by Sega Saturn Magazine. Change from passive to active: "Sega Saturn Magazine found the Sega Saturn version a faithful port of the PC Engine version."
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• ...felt the game's juvenile... Change "the game's" to "its" to avoid repeating "the game's"
  • Done
• Any reason why Next Generation didn't like the voice acting?
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• They criticized the music however... → "However, its reviewer(s) criticized the music, ..."
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• Italicize and link to Kotaku
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• They felt the game... See my previous comments JOEBRO64 17:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done

Legacy

• Add a comma in between "games" and "including" at "... Kojima games including jealousy, deception..."
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• Unlink cult following, since it should be linked in the reception section
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• I think it's worth mentioning that Kojima doesn't work for Konami anymore when you mention he doesn't own the rights to the game
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• ... especially since it would play well on a Nintendo DS or 3DS... This should be reworded because it sounds like you're stating it as a fact rather than a subjective opinion
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• Based on the language, am I correct in assuming the Dreamcast port was canceled? If so, is there a source for this?
  • Well, I'm not sure it was canceled, but there have been no news reports since its announcement 4-5 years ago. No official site or anything. All these sources are just "Hey, look what this guy is doing, Snatcher on the Dreamcast!" Most fan projects like this kinda just fade away rather than being outright canceled. I reworded the sentence a bit.
• Link to video game remake in the SD Snatcher section
  • Done
• "... similar manner to the CD-ROM versions of Snatcher" JOEBRO64 16:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done

References

• Ref #5: What makes GameCritics.com a reliable source?
  • Not much. Removed it and any sourced info.
• Ref #10: The "D" in "destructoid" should be capitalized
  • Done
• Ref #16: format using the {{Cite Tweet}} template
  • Done
• Ref #17: What makes "Amusement Factory" a reliable source?
  • Not much. Removed it and any sourced info.
• Ref #61: Am I correct to assume this is a primary source?
  • I don't know but I replaced it with the Kickstarter page.
• All archived, so no linkrot concerns JOEBRO64 17:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Done

Misc.

• These aren't necessary, but I recommend filling out the rest of the non-free image rationales and adding ALT text.
  • Done
• The "SD" stands for "super deformed", referring to the chibi look of the characters. This strikes me as WP:OR/WP:SYNTH because I'm not seeing in the sources that "super deformed" references the chibi look of the characters. JOEBRO64 15:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It's not Snatcher specific but I added a source that shows SD is Japanese slang for Super Deformed and means chibi.

Overall an interesting article, but some prose and referencing issues need to be addressed. I'll pass this once they are. JOEBRO64 15:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: Thank you so much for the review. I'll get to this soon. TarkusAB^talk 15:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: Finished going through your comments. TarkusAB^talk 13:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Awesome. Let's pass this sucker. JOEBRO64 15:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

VideoGames Review

One of the undone edits cites the fact that the "Japanese cuteness" it references in the review is in regards to the writing and tone, which I am calling into question. The review specifically contrasts the "Japanese cuteness" of other RPG's with the "heavy subject matter" of the game (IE, the art style contrasting with the content of the story). It is a well known aspect of Japanese style animation that the "cuteness" of the subjects is prominently displayed (Also known as Kawaii), and the review directly mentions Japanese animation. It does also mention the juvenile humor of the writing, but that appears to be separate since it describes the humor as crude and immature, not "cute".Belregard (talk) 15:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion. He is clearly talking about how instances of humerous and lighthearted writing conflict with the dark tone of the story. That's the whole theme of the review. The only thing he says about the art is that it's generic. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 18:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I already stated how I came to that conclusion, but if I'm not getting any agreement on it, then I will drop it, as it is not a high-order issue. Belregard (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)