User talk:JMHamo/Archive 7

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Another Joshuaforest IP sock

Is 31.55.74.167 (talk) another Joshuaforest IP sock? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Definitely. This is the usual behaviour from him. JMHamo (talk) 22:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Most Assissts on Club Seasons Page

Hey, I was just wondering if you could point me to the discussion about not having assists on seasons page when you deleted it on our seasons page. I couldn't find it. Would be a big help. Thanks. MIR17 (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

If you go to WT:FOOTY and search for Assists in the archives, you'll see this topic covered many times. The overall consensus is that assists are not to be included. Have a look at this Real Madrid conversation about assists in the season article too. If you are still in doubt you are welcome to go to WT:FOOTY for further opinion. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Ian Hennessy & Billy Wright

Why are you vandalising these pages? Links to prove that they played in the League of Ireland are there yet you persist in undoing good work. It does not matter who ADDS information but it would be greatly appreciated if you would cease vandalising and indeed deleting pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.179 (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: could you please block this sock. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Done Giant Snowman 11:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Any chance you could answer the question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.149 (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Another sock to block. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm on it. Giant Snowman 10:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

G13s

I have today accepted into mainspace two afcs that you had tagged for G13: .Jamie A. Davies , which did require substantial improvement, and Ada Hitchins, which needed no modification at all. Patrolloing G13 is not a mecahnical process. Please do not assume that because something has not been worked on it could not make a feasible article--or , in some fcases, might alr3eady be a feasible article. The standard for passsing afc, after all, is just a probability of being good enough to be accepted at afd . (& I'd suggest you be particularly careful with women academics and other professionals, who are badly under-represented in WP--there are several active projects to write and improve these articles. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 19:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you for the heads-up... One question, doesn't using HasteurBot for G13 tagging make it a semi-mechanical process, how would the bot handle situations like this? Although I do understand your point. I will ignore all women academics AfC and concentrate on the "I love my cat" submissions. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The bot is purely mechanical, which is why deleting the items identified is not. The bot works by reading the edit history and counting the days, making no judgment whatever for whether there has been a good faith effort, or whether the material is salvageable, or whether another reason for deletion is better. There is no process where deleting the material identified by a bot is automatic; &, though it has been asked from time to time, the overwhelming consensus have consistently refused to let a bot do deletions. All speedy reasons require judgment. The reason details are not given is that it has proven impossible to make a fully satisfactory list of reasons, as the real situations are often more complicated than that. We can discuss this further , probably at WT:CSD, but there were a good many discussions when g13 was being adopted, and the only way that seemed practical was to go case by case.

Consider for example the case (about 1:100 where the article is a perfectly good article, which was unreasonable declined for something trivial,and could go into mainspace intact without any problems, but where the contributor was discouraged, and did not realize. Should we delete these? Consider the 5:100 where only minor fixes are needed, but again, nobody made them, and if they had been entered instead into mainspace they would not have been deleted. (After that, there's a range of AfCs which are possibly fixable if someone wants to do the work, & personally, I tend to be disinclined to do it unless it;'s in my field.).

In the other direction, there are the many articles that should be deleted under stronger grounds, so they do not get automatically restored. Ideally they should have been removed much earlier, but they weren't. (If I spot one, I add a G11 or G12 or G2 or even G3 or G10)

Experience shows that screening is necessary at every step, and repeated screening, because there are so many of these that nobody can quite get them all in one pass. DGG ( talk ) 02:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

G8 Speedy deletion of user pages

Hi, I noted that you tagged a redirect on a page in my userspace for speedy deletion. I would like to clarify a few things with regards to that page and ask that you remove the tag.

Most importantly, user pages are actually exempt from the G8 and most other speedy deletion criteria.
It redirects to a page that does not exist in mainspace, but will be moved from my userspace shortly.

Thanks, Turgan ^Talk 18:32, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I declined the speedy nomination. JMHamo, this goes straight back to my and Kevin Gorman's previous warnings... Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

JM: The last time I asked you to be more careful about speedy deletions and explained why, you promptly deleted my warning. I'll reiterate: be more careful about how you apply speedy tags. I've pointed out multiple previous instances where you severely mistagged a page, and this is another. I'm frankly not as worried about this one because Turgan isn't a new editor likely to be WP:BITEN off by a poor tag, but would severely suggest that you pay more careful attention to your taggings, and additionally avoid doing things like tagging pages immediately after creation that still have under construction templates on them. In fact, I would ask that you explicitly commit to trying to improve. The kind of mistakes you are making damage Wikipedia's community. I will be blocking you in an escalating fashion for disruptive CSD tagging in the future - and if you just delete this whole section without responding, I'll be tempted to issue an immediate short WP:IDHT block based on your past pattern of deleting serious warnings and then continuing to behave in the same way. Kevin Gorman (talk)

Additionally: please explain why you thought that List of active NATO aircraft was POSSIBLY CSDable as an obvious hoax? Looking at the list, it obviously needs formatting, but every plane listed is, in fact, on active duty under NATO commands. I'm going to be looking through some more of your CSD log, but a lot of what I see in it is utterly confusing. Kevin Gorman (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd also like to ping in Hahc21 (talk · contribs), who deleted it with the same rationale... Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 01:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

To me, it looked like a made-up list (in the sense that the creator might have randomly selected the aircraft included there). Of course, I did not take a look at every plane listed there. → Call me Hahc21 01:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Hahc21 (talk · contribs) - things CSDed as hoaxes should really be done with as close to absolute surety as possible. It's a bit hard to dig up a list of aircraft assigned to NATO, but really trivial to confirm that all those planes are flown by NATO member states which would create enough doubt as to not want to CSD it as a hoax. The article obviously had formatting and sourcing issues - it probably could've gone back in to userspace for touchup - but it was obviously not an obvious hoax, and is something we should probably have an article on. You also didn't delete the talk page. (None of those are really terribly concerning in my mind, since they don't demonstrate a pattern of bad tagging for you - but it is another really concerning bad tag from JM.) Kevin Gorman (talk) 02:37, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was learning back there and still getting used to the tools. However, I'd like to point out that A11 is not for hoaxes. Hoaxes is G3. There seems to be a bright difference between an obviously invented article and a hoax, and I didn't delete the article under the impression that it was a hoax (otherwise I would have used G3). I really don't have any opinion as to if we should or not have a list about this topic, though. → Call me Hahc21 02:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm sleepy and you're right. But active NATO aircraft is, er, also definitely not an invented topic - and we have identical lists about very similar topics. I really do not have any issues with minor errors from you though, I'm far far far far more concerned about JM. Kevin Gorman (talk) 03:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MSc Finance at JBIMS

There is not (yet) a consensus that and AFC draft about a non-notable subject should be speedy-deleted based only on the subject's non-notability.

I removed the db-g6 template from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MSc Finance at JBIMS. As it happens, it has not been edited (except by you, and now by me) in 6 months so I tagged it with {{db-g13}}.

Keep the page on your watchlist - if anyone dares to ask for it to be un-deleted, send it straight off to WP:MfD and I'm sure it will be gone again in a week. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. That's good to know. Cheers JMHamo (talk) 11:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Chinquapin Rec Centre page

I realise that I couldn't bust through the wikiocracy on the Rec Centre page despite every other rec centre at the time having its own page. I see a chunk of these have been removed, with only 4 remaining here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Parks_in_Alexandria,_Virginia I set up a local wiki rather than bang my head against the wall, so I'll delete the draft page.Abesottedphoenix (talk) 10:54, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

You can ask for the article to be restored at Wikipedia:REFUND/G13 if you intend to work on it and bring it up to standard. JMHamo (talk) 20:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

James Wilson (footballer born 1995)

I was beaten to it by @BrownHairedGirl:! Giant Snowman 20:21, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Monstrous

You have allowed User:JMHamo/CSD log1 to grow to absolutely ridiculous size. When I try to delete, I get this message:

This page's edit history may exceed 5,000 revisions. To prevent accidental disruption, its deletion is restricted to stewards. Please contact one for assistance.

No action needed. After carefully formatting the above message, I see that a request has already been made. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:04, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Requesting deletion was something I was meaning to do for a while but never got around to. I knew it was getting massive and had to act. Thanks for your help. JMHamo (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted the page per request on meta. It only had 3k revisions, so should have been delete-able by local sysops, but due to a current bug it wasn't. Hopefully that will be fixed soon! Ajraddatz (Talk) 17:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Stone (soccer)

An article you contributed to the AFD of at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Stone (footballer) has been taken to DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Andrew Stone (soccer) by the closing admin User:Spartaz after he declined to undelete it following Andrew Stone's first professional start on Saturday. I'm notifying you in case you want to participate in the DRV discussion. Nfitz (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Article recreated

Just a heads up that Phạm Thế Tùng which you nominated for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pham the hung may have been recreated (if its the same bio with a spelling variation, or it may be a relative), a Google Book search turned up nothing I'm afraid. You may want to explain sympathetically to the creator what can be done re Wikipedia:Notability (people) to improve this and his other family bio creations. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, it has been speedily deleted. JMHamo (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Ashkan Dejagah Fulham's player of the year

Hello,

On my page you asked me for sources to prove that Ashkan Dejagah won Fulham F.C.'s player of the season. Here is the sources:

User talk:Alexgreene87, 1 June 2014 11:16 (UTC)

I couldn't even edit the article

I could not have even edited the article after it was made, also all the information needed is already on the page Gingeroscar (talk) 03:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

CSD log

Thank you for requesting deletion of User:JMHamo/CSD log while it was still small enough for mere admins to delete. But do you actually need it? Half way down the massive Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences is an option "keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations" which you could turn off. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

AfCs

I have undeleted a few of your G13 speedies, because I think the articles have promise. I've worked on most of them, as customary for me when I do that, I may move one or two into mainspace , after checking the formatting. There are enough G13s that have so little chance of improvement, that I think it unhelpful to delete those that are very clearly notable. I know this is a matter of judgment, where people may reasonably disagree on specific cases, but I urge you to consider my view a little more. DGG ( talk ) 01:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Simon Haworth

Greetings, any reason why you initially reverted my edit of Simon Haworth. - appriciate it has been now changed to read his move to STFC, but why revert? any reason? Did I mess up the citiation and referances? I was sure I included one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProudSalopian (talk • contribs) 10:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC) ProudSalopian (talk) 12:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

G13 and userspace drafts

I've raised a question about this at WT:CSD. Perhaps you may be interested. DGG ( talk ) 22:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Rong Ny1

Only one article has been re-created as far as I can see and WP:DUCK does not seem to apply i.e. writing/format style is different. Please take to WP:SPI. Giant Snowman 16:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh right if they are deliberately by-passing SALTed articles then that's enough of a quack for me... Giant Snowman 17:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Draft:Air American

Why did you revert my edit? I thought it would be eligible for G13 because the only edits after January 2nd 2014 were a pagemove and a semi-automated AWB edit. Passengerpigeon (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for the heads up on the deletion of my proposed article, "Maharshi Maheshanda." I submitted for a restoration back into my sandbox so I can continue editing. Bad on my part for ignoring my Wiki duty. Markputnam108 (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Birmingham City players

Hello, and thanks for tidying up the various BCFC players after the season just ended. Much appreciated. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Bryan Ruiz

Hmm, very similar edits and summaries to 50.160.224.29 (talk · contribs). Reverted. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Argentina national football team

Done. Giant Snowman 19:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Environmental Technology Verification

Dear JMHamo, thanks for warning me about the deletion of my entry on ETV. As my first entry in the wikipedia world, I started entering a page that in fact could fit into an already existing page. So that's what I did (am doing). Thanks very much anyway. Kind regards, Pikinyna (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Wired FM

You added a {{prod}} tag to Wired FM.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Broadcast_media says: "Licensed radio and TV stations are generally kept as notable if they broadcast over the air and originate at least a portion of their programming schedule in their own studios." According to the article, "The station broadcasts all over Limerick city on 99.9FM." (It also streams its signal over the internet.) I think the article would survive AfD. Please consider removing your {{prod}}. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence that it "broadcasts all over Limerick city on 99.9FM"... if I see a RS that supports this, then I will change my mind. JMHamo (talk) 08:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Filipe Luís Chelsea squad number

Are you joking? I didn't give him number 3 squad number, that was someone else. My corrections were much different. Please, read the history carefully before you accuse someone next time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BartSmith85 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I apologise to you, I made an honest mistake with the User names. Sorry again! JMHamo (talk) 21:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Filipe Luis

You reverted my change on Filipe Luis' page, when he was never given the #3 jersey by Chelsea. I am a Chelsea follower and I made the change to #5 when Chelsea officially announced it on their page. You reverted it back to the number which he was never given. Can you please exactly point out the mistake I made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funknath (talk • contribs) 13:34, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, it was a mistake on my part, not yours but you didn't use an edit summary to say what your change was about (using a link to the Chelsea news article or something) so this contributed to my oversight. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:52, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Club season articles

I see you've removed the squad list from 2014–15 Leyton Orient F.C. season, which I don't have a problem with – I was having a discussion with the guy who put it there, as I disagreed with a lot of the information on it. I was planning to redo the squad list in the same format as the previous seasons, but I don't want to go to that trouble if there's a chance it's going to be deleted again. I've read the brief discussion on it at WT:FOOTY, but I want to be clear. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest you discuss your proposed addition at WT:FOOTY to get some sort of consensus before you go to the trouble of working on it. JMHamo (talk) 19:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Why does every club need a separate consensus for a squad list? And why have you removed some and not others? Is there no prior guidance or consensus for squad lists? Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Which ones did I miss? GiantSnowman made a good point - "having player name, nationality, position and appearances (broken down by competition) is enough." I don't think we need to repeat ourselves. JMHamo (talk) 19:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I checked through the first few in the Premier League, and they were all different. Some (Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea etc) had that whole contract info overkill that I agree has no place there, and I just wondered on what grounds you were removing them. What I was planning was basically what you say – squad number, name, nationality, position, previous club, apps and goals. I'll go ahead and do that if there's not likely to be an objection. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the norm, focused on appearances/goals in the individual competitions rather than where they were born, date signed, etc. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you not delete squad lists until the season starts and we can place a statistics table? I don't see the big deal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slickm32 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Chelsea, I've removed again - if the IP reverts then take to WP:AIV. Giant Snowman 18:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Value Net

It is too difficult for a normal user like me to understand all the protocols of Wikipedia. So, I am leaving a message here as well my talk page, hoping you could receive this. Please let me know which one reached you. I think Value Net deserves a place in Wikipedia. It is a very respected framework for business strategy professionals. In fact, the entry 'coopetition' does not mention at all about Value Net, which is a key concept in understanding coopetition as popularized by Adam Brandenburger and Barry Nalebuff. I know that my entry was really short. But I hope that it can be improved over time. Please reconsider it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hzhiang (talk • contribs) 08:17, 26 July 2014 (UTC) — Please have a look and let me know how it looks. I actually think the entry 'coopetition' should emphasize Adam Brandenburger and Barry Nalebuff's book. It was really popularized with the book. And the value net concept is central to coopetition. https://www.google.co.kr/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=value%20net%20adam%20brandenburger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hzhiang (talk • contribs) 05:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Chelsea FC

Hi there JMHamo. May I please know why you removed the first team squad template from Chelsea's 2014-15 season article? --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 12:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Please read this here, especially the last comment by GiantSnowman. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheers. :-) --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 12:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Stockdale

Stockdale is shown on the official website wearing the #13 shirt in his signing photo's. RM-Taylor (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixing my sandbox

Out of interest, what's the problem with having a broken redirect on a test-page sandbox? Does it cause it to pop up in a "pages with broken redirects" maintenance list? --McGeddon (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. I was cleaning a maintenance list and the 'broken' redirect was included in the report. Sorry for inconveniencing you, feel free to revert my change of course. Thanks for your message. JMHamo (talk) 12:08, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem, will remember not to leave test redirects lying around like that in future. --McGeddon (talk) 12:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—July and August 2014

The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, including the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Insert" menu. The "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip⧽" is still added via the "Insert" menu.
When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

How to dispute a review

Hello JMHamo,

My submission about Henry Matteson, one of the early founders of the State of Rhode Island, was reviewed and rejected by an Englishman who could not possibly have read most of the references I cited. They are largely out-of-print books from the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Difficult enough to find in an American Genealogical library, and likely impossible in England. How do I go about disputing his conclusion?

Thanks.

Bill MacIndoe Macindoe1 (talk) 21:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Request its restoration at WP:REFUND so you can improve your article before submitting it for review again. Have a look at WP:42 for help. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I dispute your review. It's not an orphan article or there are some publications: a) http://www.hongkongnepali.com/2008-12-29-07-00-23/11945-the-18th-century-firings-of-magr-bhardars-were-game-changers-in-the-gorkha-kingdom-and-later-nepal.html#yvComment11945;b)http://www.historynepal.com/2010/03/unification-campaign-of-prithvi-narayan.html ;c) http://books.google.com/books/about/History_of_Nepal.html?id=WkduAAAAMAAJ ; d) http://books.google.com/books/about/Gorkha_Vamshavali.html?id=2-l6HAAACAAJ and more.

I don't know what you mean. Request that your draft is restored at WP:REFUND and then work on it again before submitting it for review. JMHamo (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Marcos Rojo

I've protected it until 29 August. Cheers. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 23:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Abel Hernández

Done Giant Snowman 15:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Stephen Bywater

Not a clue, sorry - I've had a play and it hasn't worked. Any idea which page I 'fixed' before? 16:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Radamel Falcao

I don't understand why you keep taking the Colombia Squad category off the Falcao page. He has been part of multiple Squads and that is the way I see it is done on every player with multiple squads.

Where does Falcao appear in this template? JMHamo (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

List of football clubs in Portugal by major honours won

Your proposal to delete the article is being disputed by a FC Porto fan using a source linked to FC Porto (DN). SLBedit (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

First Initials/2014-15 Fulham F.C. season in general

The edit summaries issued by yourself removes first initials due to the fact they are "non-standard". However, looking across a range of articles in the same category (club seasons) there appears to be no standard for these at all: full names are used on some articles, initial+surname is used on some, and surname only is used on some others. Personally I prefer initial+surname for aesthetic reasons, and the fact that it does help to identify a certain player at first glance when the surname is common, such as Davies, Brown, Smith, etc. Also, it needs to be imperative that the sources in each game match up with the summaries of each game. The Blackburn Rovers game, for example, has differing times between the BBC and Sky Sports, which is why the hidden note was there. I don't want to have to resort to crude edit warring, that's not my style, but I'm sure there's a middle ground in there somewhere. Spa-Franks (talk) 22:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message and not just reverting me :) A first initial is needed if there are two (or more) players with the same surname in the same squad, for example, if Williams scores, R. Williams or G. Williams is needed, but not if there is only one Williams. I also agree with you that the source and summaries should match, so no problems there, I just prefer the BBC, but Sky Sports is a Reliable Source too. Also, I intend to further improve the article when I get time. Keep in touch and hopefully the 2015–16 season won't be in League One! :) JMHamo (talk) 22:51, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Considering how we're likely to have both score (or, at this rate, both pick up a yellow), then surely the first initial should be transferred to the entire squad. I think it's a mess to have "Smith, G Williams, McCormack, Rodallega, R Williams" as an example. Spa-Franks (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. Surname is sufficient, like it is in the squad templates for clubs. If you look at any squad template, you will see surname only. JMHamo (talk) 19:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Keeping something in the same topic (hope this doesn't affect Wikipedia's notifications), then we're going to have to sort something out as I keep getting edit warring messages after the games, because, looking at the history, you tend to update the appearance tables whereas I update the entire thing, usually typing the data as it goes in and making the one save at full time. Spa-Franks (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 Chelsea F.C. season

Probably worth raising again at WT:FOOTBALL to be honest. Giant Snowman 15:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Will do! JMHamo (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Besiktas Tv

Hello,

I've added independent Reliable Sources on the page and new references and the television broadcast on digiturk eutelsat and turksat platform [1] so passes WP:BCAST and it broadcast on streaming here [2]

The page is notable like Galatasaray TV and Fenerbahçe TV.

Now the page is not Unreferenced and the web site is official (the blog is just a secondary ex links).

I'm demostrating with source what i've writed some time ago.

The television has a page on tr.wikipedia with many information but i don't know turkish language →https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%C5%9Fikta%C5%9F_TV

Regards--Lglukgl (talk) 15:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Fernando Amorebieta

Hi there JM, this is former user ALWAYS LEARNING (vanished, but some how can't stop editing...),

regarding this player, please don't remove the categories you have removed in his article again, now i explain: he was raised as a footballer in Spain and played youth football with that nation, thus he gets the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS category; he played for the Basque Country autonomous team, he gets the BASQUE FOOTBALLERS cat; his parents are Spanish and Basque, he gets the SPANISH PEOPLE OF BASQUE DESCENT category. Where i can sort of agree with you is in the removal of the SPANISH EXPATRIATE FOOTBALLERS cat, when he left for Fulham he had already switched allegiance to Venezuela, so that one can stay out.

The other three are 100% correct (the categories that have to do with a player's footballing nationality are permanent, does not matter how many times he switches int'l allegiance - for example, it would be 100% correct if Alfredo Di Stéfano's article contained the ARGENTINE/COLOMBIAN/SPANISH FOOTBALLERS cats). Don't believe me? Please get in contact with trusted user/admin User:Mattythewhite, he'll show you that i'm not messing around. Attentively - --84.90.219.128 (talk) 03:37, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Just to say I agree about the inclusion of those three categories, if you disagree feel free to say why. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite: No issues, all good. Thanks! JMHamo (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I saw your reply at Matty's page, thank you for your kindness and sorry for being such a WP prima donna! Keep up the great work yourself, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:00, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Regionalliga templates

I thought those templates were deleted already. No problem at all! Thanks, Raul17 (talk) 23:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—September and October 2014

Did you know?

TemplateData is a separate program that organizes information about the parameters that can be used in a template. VisualEditor reads that data, and uses it to populate its simplified template dialogs.

With the new TemplateData editor, it is easier to add information about parameters, because the ones you need to use are pre-loaded.

See the help page for TemplateData for more information about adding TemplateData. The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing team has reduced technical debt, simplified some workflows for template and citation editing, made major progress on Internet Explorer support, and fixed over 125 bugs and requests. Several performance improvements were made, especially to the system around re-using references and reference lists. Weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org.

There were three issues that required urgent fixes: a deployment error that meant that many buttons didn't work correctly (bugs 69856 and 69864), a problem with edit conflicts that left the editor with nowhere to go (bug 69150), and a problem in Internet Explorer 11 that caused replaced some categories with a link to the system message, MediaWiki:Badtitletext (bug 70894) when you saved. The developers apologize for the disruption, and thank the people who reported these problems quickly.

Increased support for devices and browsers

Internet Explorer 10 and 11 users now have access to VisualEditor. This means that about 5% of Wikimedia's users will now get an "Edit" tab alongside the existing "Edit source" tab. Support for Internet Explorer 9 is planned for the future.

Tablet users browsing the site's mobile mode now have the option of using a mobile-specific form of VisualEditor. More editing tools, and availability of VisualEditor on smartphones, is planned for the future. The mobile version of VisualEditor was tweaked to show the context menu for citations instead of basic references (bug 68897). A bug that broke the editor in iOS was corrected and released early (bug 68949). For mobile tablet users, three bugs related to scrolling were fixed (bug 66697, bug 68828, bug 69630). You can use VisualEditor on the mobile version of Wikipedia from your tablet by clicking on the cog in the top-right when editing a page and choosing which editor to use.

TemplateData editor

A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to more Wikipedias soon. Other Wikipedias and some other projects may receive access next month. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

Other changes

Several interface messages and labels were changed to be simpler, clearer, or shorter, based on feedback from translators and editors. The formatting of dialogs was changed, and more changes to the appearance will be coming soon, when VisualEditor implements the new MediaWiki theme from Design. (A preview of the theme is available on Labs for developers.) The team also made some improvements for users of the Monobook skin that improved the size of text in toolbars and fixed selections that overlapped menus.

VisualEditor-MediaWiki now supplies the mw-redirect or mw-disambig class on links to redirects and disambiguation pages, so that user gadgets that colour in these in types of links can be created.

Templates' fields can be marked as 'required' in TemplateData. If a parameter is marked as required, then you cannot delete that field when you add a new template or edit an existing one (bug 60358).

Language support improved by making annotations use bi-directional isolation (so they display correctly with cursoring behaviour as expected) and by fixing a bug that crashed VisualEditor when trying to edit a page with a dir attribute but no lang set (bug 69955).

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon, perhaps in late October.

The team is also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables, and early work for this may appear within the month. Please comment on the design at Mediawiki.org.

In the future, real-time collaborative editing may be possible in VisualEditor. Some early preparatory work for this was recently done.

Supporting your wiki

At Wikimania, several developers gave presentations about VisualEditor. A translation sprint focused on improving access to VisualEditor was supported by many people. Deryck Chan was the top translator. Special honors also go to संजीव कुमार (Sanjeev Kumar), Robby, Takot, Bachounda, Bjankuloski06 and Ата. A summary of the work achieved by the translation community has been posted here. Thank you all for your work.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please join the office hours on Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 18:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Africa and Europe) and on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC on IRC.

Give feedback on VisualEditor at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. To help with translations, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact Elitre at Meta. Thank you!

— Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

CB sock

Done - see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of C.b.299, let me know if he re-appears. Giant Snowman 10:21, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi JMH, I saw the recent vandalism on your page. Do you want me to semi-protect it for a bit? Best, Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It should be OK now. Thanks for the offer... JMHamo (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Alright! Best, Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

MFC Player Editor

Done Giant Snowman 11:29, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Lasse... thingy

What on earth do we call Fulham's #21? Every source I find has something different. His Wikipedia article refers to him through a surname of "Vigen Christensen", and it's also what we credited him for his goal against Bolton. Fulham themselves refer to "Christensen" and Lasse Vigen being his forename. Football Manager simply use "Lasse Vigen". Sky Sports copy Fulham. The BBC (eugh, never liked them) keep changing it every week. I'd personally go for "Vigen" or "Christensen". Also, many thanks for updating the article tonight, I was at a family event (although they all stopped to look at me when my phone buzzed with the news Parker had made it 1-0 and I shouted "YES!" very loudly). Also not here for the Capital One Cup, I'm afraid, as I'm at the Cottage to see it. Spa-Franks (talk) 00:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Lasse Vigen is what the Danish FA refer to him as too. I think you are right, Lasse Vigen is his forename and Christensen his surname, so let's use Christensen... Enjoy the cup game, I was a season ticket holder for many seasons but haven't been for a couple of years for various reasons, maybe next year! JMHamo (talk) 12:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Lyla (band)

Not eligible for A7, sorry. Try PROD. Giant Snowman 12:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello JMHamo:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
– ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 18:22, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Boro sock

Done Giant Snowman 09:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Marcus Evans Summits

I've declined your speedy on that. I'd deleted it per the green band on the tag, but then noticed that it had only been 'refunded' in October. So I've put it back again, but without the tag. People do this - ask for it back and then do nothing with it. I suppose it'll have to stay another six months now. Peridon (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Benjamin Allen

He served on the Board of Regents. That makes him, arguably, notable. Bearian (talk) 23:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014

Did you know?

VisualEditor is also available on the mobile version of Wikipedia. Login and click the pencil icon to open the page you want to edit. Click on the gear-shaped settings in the upper-right corner, to pick which editor to use. Choose "Edit" to use VisualEditor, or "Edit source" to use the wikitext editor.

It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available in Mobile Web.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.

Recent improvements

The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.

The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.

VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.

The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)

Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [3] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.

TemplateData

The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November. This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.

In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.

Looking ahead

Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.

The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.

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— Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Archange Nkumu =

Hi JMHamo

My name is Mabs Nkumu, Archange's dad. We saw that you have put information in Wikipedia about him being a Hendon player and Concords player as well. We have contacted Hendon Chairman ( we have his e-mail response ) My son is not playing for them. He play with a team in Africa . If you need more info about Archange, I can provide it to you. Don't put even a fitness training as a reference .

For more info e-mail me at revmabsnkumu@googlemail.com to have more information about Archange and even e-mails from Hendon and Concords.

Stay bless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabsnkumu (talk • contribs) 16:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Delete of draft article

Thank you for letting me know about the planned delete of my draft on a family tree for the article Folkungar. Obviously, I was to slow in reactions, and it was deleted, why I asked for an undelete at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion. Dan Koehl (talk) 01:04, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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