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November 2017

Information icon Hello, I'm Piyoush. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Sa Re Ga Ma Pa L'il Champs 2017 have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Piyoush (talk) 15:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page, please check. --G (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Actually, Shreyan is the winner as the other one is from re-audition. That edit we feel is disruptive. You can still keep the

references. Please understand this point. Thank you. Piyoush (talk) 11:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, can you please provide a reference for what you are telling? Thanks. —G (talk) 13:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I am talking about this reference. I put it in Shreyan's winning status. Piyoush (talk) 14:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Your own reference says The boy from Midnapore, West Bengal Shreyan Bhattacharya has emerged as the winner along with Anjali Gaikwad. . I think you are being too possessive about the article and unreasonable in your discussion. What I am going to do is leave the discussion and leave the content as per your liking. But I am going to leave the edit request open for another editor to come by, you should not hat it saying the request is vandalism. --G (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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Historically, Gateshead

Thank you for your opinion and good faith on the Gateshead talk G. It may be a small matter, but I believe it looks like puffery... Anyway just in case you do not see my reply, here is my reply to your 3rd opinion: From my pov the other events in the lead are also 'historical,' as they have 'historical' documentation... It may look fair or desirable (just like it may look fair, desirable and equally valid if something else got the prefix), but with respect, the question is, is it neutral? Do you think you have answered the question on neutrality? Example, for the sake of neutrality, which era gets the historical prefix? Giving one era a prefix historically here looks like puffery. They are all historical documents, they cant all have the prefix as that would be redundant? There is no cited reference to prefix one with the term over another. Like I said I will go with whatever is said here, however I do believe it needs a puffery term template, or some template. Barkleave09 (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Barkleave09, thanks for your comments. Wikipedia article are for global readers. They have to be fairly simple to read, and read/written in the way non-legal articles are presented. That one adjective does not carry as much weight in that sentence as I believe you are considering. It should be readable and convey a reasonable message to the reader. Its usage does not bring a sense of exclusivity to my mind, its repeated usage for all three will ruin readability. This is my thought-process. My opinion is just that -- my opinion -- of course it is based out of some reasoning from my end -- but it is not binding on anyone. Thanks! --G (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Your edits at We or Our Nationhood Defined are continuing to be a problem. Please read reliable sources and add content written by them, not your personal opinions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I did not remove any reference nor put any opinion, you probably missed them in the reference. Please go through them again. If you can substantiate your point I would appreciate it. Thank you. --G (talk) 13:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Well take the first edit where you replaced a specific event in 2006 by a timeless "RSS maintains". You added a citation, but there were plenty of citations already for 2006. Why did you remove this information? There was no edit summary or talk page post explaining it. As far as I am concerned, this is a WP:POV edit. If you doing this kind of thing, the ARBIPA sanctions will apply. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Did you wonder that if the disowning came in 2006, how did Noorani criticize it in 2000? I summarized what was there in existing reference in less spicy language... not altering the claims of Noorani spread with handpicked two word phrases. The article will get no where if you want to decide on every word yourself. If you present your suggestions clearly than a threat, perhaps I can collaborate. Do you know he wrote more than two books? But only these two are notable. May I also request you to avoid repeating ARBIPA with each comment, I read it when you posted first. --G (talk) 13:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Because the mention that it is a translation has been mentioned in earlier reference itself. Noorani actually responded to them (with what ever 1978 incident he refers) in his 2000 book. The 2006 is yet another press conference briefing, and the headline of the article isn't the best summary each time, and you know it. One way can also be: 2006 'dis-owning' as per news headline remains and the actual message that their basis of disowning is because 1. It was a translation not original work 2. The ideas changed over time... is stated. Not giving it full space but the statement of translation is completely absent from the article today. If it pleases you I can provide old Marathi text reference too (apart from the 4 English reference that you can verify) , but Marathi reference is not useful in English, besides this is covered in existing reference. --G (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
@Kautilya3: I hope edits from existing reference is perfectly fine with you? --G (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Here is my concern once again spelled out in clarity based on the existing references, I see OR in the existing article and want to use summary closer to source to improve the article:

There is nothing special about 2006 except that the interview by TOI was done in that year. Vaidya's response did not have anything specific about 2006, he mentions that the stand has has never been different since 1940. In 1993 book by Ritu Kohli or a report by Balbir Punj in 2002 states the book was based on Rashtra Mimansa. Rakesh Sinha does not say he revealed anything. It is wikipedia editor's original research to attach special significance to '2006' or to state that Rakesh Sinha 'revealed' something. And Lastly, how could Noorani book from 2000 be presented as a specific counter-response to a report published much later in 2006? --G (talk) 06:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I have made non-contentious edits. No reference is dropped. There is no original work added. Noorani's remark is completely intact, not a letter is changed. I have significantly improved reference by adding details and merging repeated references also. --G (talk) 07:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Gbohoadgwwian (your user name is very hard to spell), thanks for the detailed explanations. I have been caught up with other matters on Wikipedia. But please be assured that I will eventually come back to review your edits and modify them if necessary. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 13:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, no worries about time. I will keep off this article until your review so that I don't pile up on the changes. --G (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Watch your steps

Whatever merit you could have obtained by reinstating the deleted content was spoilt by the snide remarks in your edit summaries. Any passing admin that sees such remarks could hold you responsible for personal attacks. You have been informed about the ARBIPA sanctions.

And, yes, I take ownership of the whole Wikipedia. And I am not the one with the agendas here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:09, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I gave my analysis when removing that sentence. On the other hand you removed other sourced statement without one. Like last time I am open to discuss and never in rush, your pov can stay while discussion takes place. If some new information comes that is not as per your pov it does not mean other editor has agenda. I perceive your overall tone, from multiple messages, to be condescending and sometimes indicative of a sense of superiority/inferiority. --G (talk) 09:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I think you may be heading towards problems at the Modi article also. I'm not looking to see why you were notified of the ARBIPA sanctions regime but I do notice that you are fairly new here. You're getting into scraps with some long-term respected contributors and it may be wise no to revert them without prior discussion because, although no-one is always correct, the chances are much higher that they are correct than that you are. - Sitush (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
But I am making small edits, with source, putting fair edit summary, backing off in case of revert, opening talk page section, explaining my point, waiting for few days. Wikipedia should be fair to all. I can revert, but the intent there is annoying. I felt there is no response to the specific point I made in talk page. Maybe they can care to explain more clearly than revert second time? --G (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I think there is progress there. G (talk) 09:21, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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ARBIPA sanctions reminder

Hi Gian, I am afraid I have to remind you once again about ARBIPA sanctions. The discussion at Talk:Shivaji constitutes stonewalling and bad faith presentation of sources to push a POV.

  • You have started this section yourself labelling it with "as used by Shivaji in the 17th century". However, pretty much none of your comments relate to Shivaji or the 17th century.
  • You have cited Arshia Sattar's book review (which is not exactly a "journal article") to support the position that Shivaji meant "Hindu self-rule". However Sattar prefixes her sentence with "In Maharashtra today", clearly not Shivaji's meaning. You haven't pointed out where she made any claims about what Shivaji meant.
  • Meckenzie Brown's journal article only makes vague references to religion and Hindu order, but doesn't say anything explicitly about what "Hindavi Swarajya" meant. Drawing any conclusions from this involves WP:SYNTHESIS.
  • Finally, you have started shooting down Pagadi's book as a "Government publication", whereas it is published by Navajivan Trust, a Gandhian organisation founded by Gandhi himself to promote Hind Swaraj, whereas it is published by National Book Trust, an autonomous organisation.

On the whole, I don't see you paying any good faith attention to what is clearly an important issue. If this kind of WP:STONEWALLING continues much longer, you will end up at WP:ARE. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:25, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

And, this behaviour was also replicated in the ongoing GA Review. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kautilya3, I think Jonathansammy, you and I had extensive discussion on article talk page. Thanks for reaching out, I am also feeling like you are doing original research by trying to synthesize meaning of a phrase by retro-fitting meaning of individual words from disparate context. To respond once again to some points you bring here, let me say I have provided journal sources that discuss Shivaji and the phrase directly. I provided the short quotes too. You mentioned that Pagadi book is by National Book Trust, why do you say now it is Navjivan Trust? --Gian (talk) 11:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
I am slow, I am having difficulty with edit conflicts. NBT website clearly indicates it is under Ministry of Human Resource Development, Govt of India. Regardless, please confirm if you want to stick with Hindavi-meant-'India' in 17th century by Shivaji according to it? Because your following comment says it means a language. Earlier you said it means Hindi, then Hindustani. All that I am saying is stick to high quality source that talks directly of the entire phrase directly as used by Shivaji. I do not want to take this to wp:are and I am doing good reading and contributing positively in the ga contributions. --Gian (talk) 12:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Setumadhavrao Pagadi is a highly acclaimed source.[1] So is Wilfred Cantwell Smith. Smith said, quite explicitly, that Hindavi Swarajya did not mean a "Hindu Raj". You are ignoring these statements repeatedly. It is quite obvious to any right-thinking person that Shivaji deliberately used Hindavi so as to be inclusive of both Hindus and Muslims. He could just as well have used "Hindu Swarajya" if that is what he meant. It is quite ridiculous to portray him as a Hindu nationalist. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Sorry about the mistake with the "National Book Trust". The fact that it is managed by HRD doesn't mean a thing. Every central government university/institution is managed by HRD. They are not labelled as "government organisations". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
A Publication with Govt of India in the logo itself is different from saying Delhi University is aided by Govt. Anyways, so Pagadi, in English, translates Hindavi as 'India', but you presented another sources saying it is a language, so what is it according to you? You also gave different interpretation of Swarajya as homeland instead of hom rule. So, please frame a complete meaning of "Hindavi Swarajya", if I may hazard a guess it is "Homeland of people speaking in Hindustani language", which was already there, so what was Shivaji trying to achieve? I believe the meaning of a phrase should not be re-constructed from component words in different context. Do you realize you are the one importing 20th century term into 17th century when you are talking about Hindu Nationalist? Mackenzie's analysis in the religious background is detailed and apt, it is a peer reviewed journal article. The religious conflict is also mentioned by John F. Richards, who is a scholar in this field. Why would Afzal Khan choose to "profaned the shrine of Bhawani at Tuljapur as well as several other major Hindu shrines in Maharashtra" to provoke Shivaji? Some scholars have already commented and we may not ignore them all and reconstruct the whole meaning from original research. --Gian (talk) 17:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Copied this discussion on talk page of article. --Gian (talk) 03:48, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

It is fine to ask questions, but you can't invent your own answers and put them into Wikipedia. It has been admitted that some scholars interpret it as "Hindu self-rule". That is as far as we can go on Wikipedia. You are welcome to go and submit journal articles with your views, but you can't submit them here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

I am afraid I do not get your intention here. I have been collaborating nicely but you seem to want to play the big brother continuously. --Gian (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ K. Venkateshwarlu, A slice of Marathi history, The Hindu, 9 May 2011.

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2016 Indian Line of Control strike

Seems your closure of the deletion talk for 2016 Indian Line of Control strike was reverted by an editor who thought it would be more proper that an un-involved administrator should close the deletion discussion. I think it would be best that you simply cast your keep opinion per wp:gng (that you expressed) on the discussion page and leave it to an administrator to close it. EkoGraf (talk) 06:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

It is acceptable to me if any user wants an admin closure. I will add my comment as you suggest. Thanks. --Gian (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
No problem. :) EkoGraf (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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@Twofingered Typist: wonderful! Thank you! Gian ❯❯ Talk 04:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gian

Hi Gian,

As seen on your profile, you seem to be an expert of indology.

Would you like to add value to Sharmila Thackeray. I just recently created it and it is marked for speedy deletion. Accesscrawl (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Accesscrawl (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I have removed the speedy deletion nomination because it is not unambiguously not-notable or promotional. Someone may afd. The article is not in good shape, do you not have more references? Please feel free to add marathi references if they are there, it is not best but acceptable on English wikipedia. --Gian ❯❯ Talk 06:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution. Accesscrawl (talk) 06:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Accesscrawl (talk) 06:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome. Your signature is probably duplicating your user name, you can fix it in your "Preferences" if that is the case. --Gian ❯❯ Talk 07:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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@TonyBallioni: thank you. --Gian ❯❯ Talk 01:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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As you mentioned I've created a draft. What happens next? Draft:Martyrs of Marriage Accesscrawl (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Accesscrawl: I have placed the draft template on your draft, when you are ready (the article is not ready yet) then click on the "Submit your draft for review!" --Gian ❯❯ Talk 04:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
That was mighty fast, some admin approved it alright? --Gian ❯❯ Talk 05:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

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See Talk:C. Rajagopalachari. I've left a note in GA Review section. TryKid (talk) 11:36, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I have provided my next set of comments. --Gian ❯❯ Talk 07:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you Catrìona, this was my first GA! Gian ❯❯ Talk 11:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Gian It is regarding the RSS page edit.

Hi Gian i put 'Unregistered' there because i didnt think i should create a separate section on the validity of the organisation. But if you think that it requires a separate section on the validity and registration of the organisation i could create one. I am not really aware of the quality standards of the wikipedia but in any case if this violates the standards of quality content i would be happy to create another section related to the topic. I think it is important to point to the fact that a 92 yr old organisation that identifies itself with religious nationalism boasting of 5 million members isnt even registered under any NGO registration or Indian Law.

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WBG I think you drudged up my entire edit history. If you are pointing at me that I claimed to have made 26 GAN, I don't think so. Could you tell on what ground article should never have qualified GA? 4 paragraphs is not a criteria. There is no deadline here as I understand. If you want to bully you might as well do it in 48 mins I don't like the tone or your approach in the matter, you seem motivated to cause annoyance, absolutely unfriendly way for a first interaction I must say. So, on what ground should it never have qualified for GA, please respond with guildeline/policy, thank you. --Jaydayal (talk) 01:26, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jaydayal. Godric left you a talkback message for the discussion at my talk page, but since you've ignored that and responded here, let's now try to keep it here. Length is not a GA criterion. GA criterion 3, however, is "Broad in its coverage", and criteria 3A (which is the 3A mentioned at Godric's talk page) is "addresses the main aspects of the topic". These are less demanding than the "comprehensive" criterion at FAC, but they still require a degree of detail. A four paragraph article, no matter how well written and well sourced, simply cannot supply it for anything other than a very small and specific topic, and that's the problem here. This isn't a criticism of you personally; I've written many articles that are considerably longer, but which I'm not going to send to GAN, because they are simply not detailed enough. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the response. I tried to find all possible sources for the incident. I think I was able to go over most of them that were available online and two of them offline from a nearby library. I would be happy to know any leads on how this can be improved further. I don't know what else to offer? --01:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Winged can still respond herself. My future response might be along this line: Wikipedia is fun time for me, expect me not to spend a lot of time or argument`ing here. Do what is best but stop personal attacks, it is silly, doesn't harm me but brings disrepute to our common cause Wikipedia. The best put off for a new editor can be this, without new editors, its no progress, in my view. --Jaydayal (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
"I don't know what else to offer?" That's precisely my point; you don't have to offer anything else. There are topics that cannot be brought to GA status given the current state of the source material, because the sources do not contain enough detail. That's just the nature of the topic, and not a shortcoming of the writer. Of the 70-odd articles that I have written from scratch, only 11 are GAs (and one is an FL). Very few of the others will ever reach that status. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Winged, I would request you to respond somewhere, on article talk page, on your page, on my page, on vanamonde93 page. But stop imposing your idea 'before' giving me some response? Isn't that a reasonable ask? I would prefer we do not split the discussion on four places. Lets restrict it to article talk page. Thank you. I may be unavailable on Wiki for long time, I edit very infrequently, if we can discuss probably I can present my side too. Feel free to make a choice, I dislike this hostile attitude. --Jaydayal (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I did not drudge up your entire edit history. Coming across your revert over the Tashkent Files, I clicked over your u/p and thus, saw the sole GA icon, pointing to the article. That you edit infrequently and might be inactive for a long span of time does not mean that your preferred version stays for all the while. Editorial behavior like your's can be weaponized to game the system and hence, we typically allow for a reasonable time-span of reply, before moving on. That's not bullying. I have pointed you to the policy for what should have been a GA-failure, over my t/p. I did not attack you personally, over anywhere and believe that you are editing in good-faith and wish to improve the encyclopedia. Also, argumentation is a key part of any academic/quasi-academic discourse. Additionally, echo whatever V93 said. ∯WBGconverse 14:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
You are not 'discussing' by any standard, what you are doing is badgering me, with choicest hateful/provocative comments. --Jaydayal (talk) 04:47, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Winged, I may be wrong, but I think I have got this before, and if I am not wrong you are expected to check before re-pasting this message on a user talk page. Nevertheless, thank you, I will go over the links once again since you are prompting me to. I may need some time, I hope no 48h deadlines like you gave me elsewhere. --Jaydayal (talk) 06:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, Jaydayal. Following your report against Winged Blades of Godric at WP:AN3, I have taken a look at the article Vivek Agnihotri and its talkpage. I'm concerned by your dismissal of reliable sources, as for example here, and also by your tendentious editing of the article itself. Please note that you are mistaken if you think "balance" in a BLP requires that criticism and positive commentary should weigh equally, as your edit summary here seems to suggest. Wikipedia goes by reliable secondary sources, and does not introduce "balance" against these sources by what the subject of the article himself says in a tweet. It's misuse of the source Deccan Chronicle to pick out a quote by Agnihotri himself while ignoring the context and thrust of the Deccan Chronicle article you refer to. Please stop your tendentious editing or you may be topic banned from the article. (I know you are a a newish user, so please, to understand me more clearly, follow the blue links in my message, to see for instance what "topic banned" means.) Bishonen | talk 11:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC).

Bishonen Okay, if you say so, one more editor, I will revisit this, follow your reasoning with the links that you have provided and think about your feedback. Do you see that he is misrepresenting source on other point? --Jaydayal (talk) 11:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'd rather not dig into all the editing of the article and talkpage to try to find what you may be referring to. Please give details, preferably diffs, if you know how to create them. (If you don't, please see the simple instructions at Wikipedia:Simple diff and link guide.) Bishonen | talk 11:29, 20 May 2019 (UTC).
Never mind, I think I just saw what you mean: where you say "Where does he say he was "persecuted because of being a Hindu", it is not in the source you quote", at the bottom of the talkpage right now. That's it, isn't it? You're the one who is misrepresenting the source. It's very clearly implied in the source that V claims to be persecuted because of being a Hindu. It doesn't have to be word for word the same! It's you who are misreading. And then you end your comment with insults: "Are you truly so incompetent and biased?" This is highly improper talkpage behaviour. You are fast approaching a topic ban. I have to go out now, so you won't get any more responses for an hour or two, but please let me see more reasonable conduct when I return. By the way, what does your comment "one more editor" mean? Bishonen | talk 11:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC).
One more editor means that, one editor apart from winged. He abused me constantly for quite long before I gave him in kind, if you can't see that and don't care to see it, ... You aren't my moral compass, I live by my own principled and don't take bullying (winged definitely did, you, I give benefit of doubt) lightly. Wiki ain't my life. If you have even a little impartiality you would take upon yourself to dig up before passing judgements about my conduct, they are not in isolation, there is a counter party. Dig a few weeks backs to Fuck off, incompetent and more. I stay out from wiki for weeks or months at times so I don't mind you skipping 2h. I don't agree about your reinterpretation of what one article indicates, it is putting words into his mouth, he could very well say that if he wanted to say that, to exclude what he said and write what you think he meant is original research, this is my understanding. You may or may not agree with my thinking but that doesn't change the simple thing that I don't see why someone wants to reinterpret one line instead of just attributing it to the person and let the reader decide. The reinterpretation is changing the meaning, putting the subject in bad light, BLP requires us to err on the side of caution. My interpretation of BLP. Wrong or right, I will take your opinions but not your judgements, at best you can probably indefinitely ban me from Wiki, and I don't see why I should be bullied by it. Now, if you may speak without further admonitions, you may, otherwise please stay away. --Jaydayal (talk) 14:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm not your moral compass, indeed. However, I am an uninvolved administrator warning you that you may be topic banned from a particular subject. That's what I've come to your page for. Since you disinvite me, I won't be back here unless/until I come to sanction you, for instance by a topic ban. Bishonen | talk 16:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC).
I can say safely you have a poor way of interacting with strangers. I get that you have been bestowed the powers to sanction me from editing this website. I also took your warning seriously. You only repeated what I particularly told you not to and ignored what I implored you to take up. --Jaydayal (talk) 16:29, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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I agree. I always add citation. But I noticed that Vivek's article had and still has a lot of trivial information--the dissonance at CBFC re that Kashir movie (which that OpIndia link does not even mention to my surprise). In this case, it's Vivek's entry and the section on his "career"--and a discussion o one ofthe many movies CBFC reviews. Just because something was controversial doesn't mean that it should be there on his page. Scenecontra (talk) 10:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Scenecontra: yes it has some trivial info, you are also right that something that was controversial does not merit inclusion on that count alone. You can approach this from a different perspective, why not find other information from good sources about him and add them. Eventually it gets condensed as per due weight. At that point more important stuff survives over less important stuff. Best is if we can take due weight into account from edit 0, day 0, but sometimes new references come and that requires reassessment of the topic. On this specific subject I read multiple reference and I was confused, some sources praise him for upholding freedom of speech some note otherwise. I was so confused I just left the content untouched for someone more knowledgeable to deal with or until I review it once again and get a better understanding. --Jaydayal (talk) 10:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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CIS-A2K Newsletter August 2022


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