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Kailasanath temple - you undid valid edits[edit]

I have added rock-cut. But you had also undid other changes I did such as shortening sentences, adding its location first, adding language of the builders of this temple etc. Please discuss before undoing large sections. ~rAGU (talk)

Pl. discuss before reverting contributions[edit]

You have once again removed contribution from others including me without discussing. Pls. stop disrupting valid edits to this article. Already, admins have taken action in two other articles where you have tried to remove contributions from other contributors. Further disruptions will result in admins taking action against you. Thanks. Srirangam99 (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Removal of my contribution from the Karnataka article[edit]

I respected you as a wiki senior hoping to get guidance and advice. I thought if anyone including you had a doubt on the authenticity of my contributions and posts, you will discuss with me. Instead, first you arbitrarily resorted to deletion of my posts, despite my placing the reliable sources (not one but two books from K.A.N.Sastri, to begin with) on both this talk page as well as the talk page of Karnataka article. Now you are taking shelter behind my being blocked discourteously in an irresponsible manner without being given an opportunity. You have forgotten that such bullying have failed to dampen my enthusiasm and courage and not only have I also come back but also contributed vigorously to at least one page on Kulothunga Chola III which have been supervised by other seniors like User:Akerans and User:Sundar have expressed satisfaction. It is absolutely not fair that you should first arbitrarily remove someone's contributions, that too without discussion and now you are running to admins pointing out I was blocked and stuff. How would acting and trying to bully other wikipedians, new or old help your cause, when you yourself are guilty of deleting others' contributions without a single discussion. Srirangam99 (talk) 03:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Sir, you have mistakenly removed my line about parts of Karnataka being under Chola occupation not just between 1000-1116 AD but up to 1200 AD if not 1215 AD. I just noticed your removal of my contribution. Kindly wait till today evening before I carry out excerpts from the book by K.A.Nilakanta Sastri supporting my claim. Thanks. Srirangam99 (talk) 08:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sir, in support of my contention that the Cholas held parts of Karnataka for around 200 years from 1000 AD to 1200 AD, here are excerts from two books by K.A.Nilakanta Sastri. The first book is 'A History of South India - From Prehistoric Times to the fall of Vijayanagar' - Fourth Edition, Oxford India Paperbacks (2003).

At page 176 of this the following text proves rule of the Cholas over parts of Karnataka:

Quote: "Rajaraja II ruled generally in peace till about 1173. Having no son, he chose Rajadhiraja II, a grandson of Vikrama Chola by a daughter, for the succession and appointed him yuvaraja in 1166. Rajaraja II's empire extended over the whole of the Telugu country up to Daksharama (Draksharama) and over large sections of Kongunade and the eastern part of Gangavadi." Unquote.
Let me add that Rajaraja Chola II ruled between 1146-1173. So I think you would accept that the hold of Chola over Gangavadi which is currently part of Mysore district and also contained parts of what is now the modern Mandya district in Karnataka, continued much beyond 1116 and hence my claim is not 'unsubstantiated' and I may be permitted to retain my part of the text.
That is not all sir. There is an excerpt from another book by K.A.Nilakanta Sastri titled "Advanced History of India" (1984 reprint), Allied Publishers (Low prized text book) at page 292 which reads:

Quote: "Kulottunga III undertook successful expeditions in Kongu country (Tagadur) and defended Gangavadi against Hoysala Ballala II. He also fought successful wars against the Cheras and performed Vijayabhisheka at Karuvur in A.D. 1193 while returning from his victories against Hoysala Ballala II and the Cheras." Unquote.

Here is another excerpt: K.A.Nilakanta Sastri titled "Advanced History of India" (1984 reprint), Allied Publishers (Low prized text book) at page 293 Quote: "Following his checking the growth of Hoysala power in Gangavadi and adjoining areas, Kulottunga's relations however, with Hoysala Ballala II became friendly, for Ballala married a Chola princess and both sides ceased fighting and ensured each other's territorial integrity. Ballala's attention however, was soon diverted towards protecting his northern conquests following the frequent incursions of the warrior-like Singhana, the Yadava who succeeded Jaitugi." Unquote.

Hope this satisfies. Srirangam99 (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

This is to once again request you Sir, that kindly do not revert my contributions without any discussion or assigning any reason. You earlier reverted my contributions mentioning the reason as unsbstantiated. That cannot be true especially because my edits were based on two books by Sri K.A.Nilakanta Sastri. Srirangam99 (talk) 14:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Sir, once again you have deleted my contribution into the article. In case you feel what I have entered was incorrect or unsubstantiated kindly come up with your own reliable sources, so that we can have a tangible discussion and come to a logical conclusion. Kindly remember this, many people seeking to 'glorify' Karnataka simply never included or acknowledged any text or sources that mentioned Chola conquests and occupation of parts of Kannada country. Kindly remember it was not just Gangavadi, but during the time of Rajadhiraja Chola (1014-1053), after he fought against Chalukya Someshvara-I, the Chalukya capital itself was occupied, but the occupation of parts of Kannada country between Mysore and Dharwad/North Karnataka up to Manyakheta was continually being suppressed. I hope those anomalies will now stand corrected. Srirangam99 (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Sir, may I again request you not to remove additions to the article by me which have been taken from reliable sources. This is leading to an edit war and might warrant intervention by admins. I am reverting your reversion. Srirangam99 (talk) 15:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the fix[edit]

Hello, I saw your edit to Western Chalukya Empire where I had messed up an image file name. I'm sorry I made that mistake, but I'm glad that you were watching and were able to fix it. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike (talk) 23:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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Cite error[edit]

Hi Pied Hornbill, if you've noticed there is a cite error at the extreme end of the Vijayanagara Empire page. It seems to have been there for quite some time and I couldn't out which recent edit has caused it. Could you fix this? Thanks, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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What POV[edit]

I've given a reputed source?--213.47.76.227 (talk) 22:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Epic[edit]

Its not actually epic, If you can see that page, it is about Andhra Kingdom. That's what I understood from this page History_of_Andhra_Pradesh#Pre-Satavahana_Period, where a link Main article: Andhra Kingdom redirects to the page Andhra in Indian epic literature. If you say its wrong one. You can revert all of them. Thanks for notifying.--Vin09 (talk) 15:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Hindu philosophy[edit]

Hello,

(not sure why additions did not work)

This is one of those templates that has a <includeonly> tag at its very start that needs disabling (temporarily) if any changes are to be visible when previewing it. (Turning it into a comment should work, i.e. making the first line <!--<includeonly>-->{{Sidebar) You just need to remember to remove the comment tags before saving the new version of the template!

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PS If this doesn't explain why you didn't see any changes, then I'm also puzzled. I've added the two saints to the template, though, following the above.

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Other Hoysala temples[edit]

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Nav templates[edit]

Please do not create navbox-style templates in an attempt to circumvent WP:NLIST. That particular template will be deleted anyway because it is ludicrous, as is a lot of stuff you have written about Hoysala architecture etc. - Sitush (talk) 18:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

This template is also going to be deleted. There is no need for it, and it is another example of your very peculiar adaptation of Wikipedia's conventions. See Talk:Hoysala architecture. - Sitush (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Clan vs dynasty[edit]

What's the difference bw two in cats? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo 15:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC) -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo 15:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi. The issue is you were dropping Jain related cat's on dynasties that were either mostly or totally Hindu. In medieval Karnataka, it was common for Hindu kings to have Jain poets/commanders and even saints/advisers in their court, but that does not mean the dynasty itself was Jain. True, every now and then you see a Hindu king take up Jainism or be deeply influenced by it while the later kings of that dynasty may have not shown any interest in following their forefather. So you can't call the entire dynasty 'Jain' for that one reason. Rashtrakuta king Amoghavarsha I (still being debated by historians because he was a devotee of Hindu Goddess Mahalakshmi too) and Kadamba king Shivakoti are good examples. The kings of those dynasties who ruled before them and after them did not follow Jainism. Hope you understand this difference and be more careful when you add cats. Good luck.Pied Hornbill (talk) 19:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Since both Hinduism and jainism was prevalent, it would be good to add both the categories. I was replacing Jain clans with Jain dynasties, it took me huge time to make those changes and you reverted them and added Jain clans back. I think word dynasty is better than clan. If theres a difference between these two words, i am all open to the views. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo 19:09, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Both were prevalent no doubt, but one has to focus on the ruling dynasty itself and be careful not to POV. Lets consider the Hoysalas and Western Ganga Dynasty for instance. The Hoysalas were Jains upto about 1110 AD when the dynasty was an obscure hill clan under the Kalyani Chalukyas. Once Bittideva (later called Vishnuvardhana) came to power and took up Hindu Vaishnavism, the rest of the dynasty followed him, either as Vaishnavas or Shaiva Hindus. But because they has already ruled as Jains for about a century (11th century) and Queen Shantala Devi (the most famous queen) was a Jain, one could have both Hindu and Jain cats attached to the article. Similarly the Western Gangas (4th-10 century). Up to about the 9th century, they were followers of Vedic Hindusim, but their real claim to fame (vis-a-vis architeture and literature) is during their Jain period (10th century) after which they go out of existence. So here again both cats are needed. So one has to carefully study their history and give correct weight. Otherwise we will have to add every cat for every religion under the Sun. Hope you understand this point.Pied Hornbill (talk) 19:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm not discussing Hindu or Jain, categorise it based on the weights. I'm talking about word 'clan' and 'dynasty'. Why are you avoiding that question? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo 19:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I was not avoiding your question. Both mean the same, except the term Dynasty is usually used to define a clan that grows its area of control to the stature of a Kingdom and Empire. The term "ruling clan" is often used to for chiefdoms that pay tribute to larger kingdoms. Ofcourse, you may well find some authors who disagree with me. Its like splitting hairs.Pied Hornbill (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
A clan simply implies a certain ruling family lineage.Pied Hornbill (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
If you agree both mean same thing, then please change clan tags to dynasties. We don't want duplicity in WP do we? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo 20:15, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Pankaj, I only reverted three articles that you edited--Rashtrakutas empire, Chalukya dynasty and Durvinitha. Please continue your good work with other articles in changing cat types. I have no problem with your cat type changes. Only that cat should really not have been in those three articles in the first place which I have removed.Pied Hornbill (talk) 20:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)