User talk:VickKiang/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Happy editing! Ludicrous (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

The Accomplisht Cook

Hi VickKiang,

I see you are very new to Wikipedia, welcome.

I'm an experienced Good Article author, and reviewer for that matter. At the very least, I'd like a chance to reply to your comments on the article, so we can discuss any issues and I can address them, which I generally do very quickly (especially in a backlog drive!). So I'd be pleased if you could undo the instant-fail and let us work on the article together. There is no technical issue with that, you simply need to undo your last edit(s) on the article's talk page, and continue with the review. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Other accounts

What other accounts have you had on Wikipedia?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Used to edit from IP address primarily- VickKiang (talk) 21:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

primarily? But you also edited from another registered account?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Also had an account on another wiki, although that was several years ago- VickKiang (talk) 22:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Regional English

Hi Vick, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your edits. I wanted to let you know that I've reverted the edit you made on Hearts when you changed "probably" to "likely" because, when used in that sense, "likely" is an American term not used in that way elsewhere. Wikipedia generally prefers universal English terms where possible. Where it is not practical to avoid the use of regional terms, articles should be left in the version of English they were written in. The exception is where an article is specifically related to a given region when it clearly makes sense for it to use the English version of that region. The policy on all this is at WP:ENGVAR. Hope that helps. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for my mistake and thanks for your reply- VickKiang (talk) 20:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

GOCE request

Hi VickKiang, welcome to Wikipedia. I'm a project coordinator the the Guild of Copy Editors. Regarding your copy-edit (c/e) request here, did you mean to request a c/e for Scythe (board game), which you have worked on, rather than Scythe, which you haven't? If so, feel free to swap out the request; if not, no problem. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 08:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Apologies for the mistake- VickKiang (talk) 09:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

No need to apologize, we all make mistakes. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 12:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Scythe (digital edition) has been accepted

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A tip on warnings

Editors can remove warnings from their own talk pages, it's taken as an indication that they've read them. You shouldn't revert an editor removing notices from their talk page unless it's one of the few exceptions at WP:OWNTALK. Cheers! Schazjmd (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Apologies and thanks for your notes. VickKiang (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jack hill (footballer,born 2003)

A tag has been placed on Jack hill (footballer,born 2003) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@IAmChaos: Thank you for your notice! I did not create the page, instead, I tried to move the page into the draft that was created by Ethannash23618, but thought incorrectly that the (born 2003) tag should be removed. Apologies for my errors, I have drafted and nominated them for deletion myself. Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I just was using Twinkle, it automatically notifies the creator of the existing page that was nominated, and technically you created the redirect. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Draftifying articles

Hello, VickKiang,

After you move a page from main space to Draft space, please tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2, so admins can delete it. Without tagging, the pages can be present without admins seeing them. Tagging pages for deletion is really made easy if you use Twinkle, an editing tool that most administrators and many editors use to tag pages. It has a lot of helpful features including posting notifications for you once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify Page Creator" and maintaining logs of pages that you have tagged. I highly recommend it. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, will do next time. VickKiang (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Your GOCE request

Hi there. I wanted to let you know that I have completed your Guild of Copy Editors request for Scythe (board game). Some areas may need to be looked at again, particularly the podcast references, as I do not have access to the original and am taking a best guess at what you intended. A few remaining notes, should you choose to take this to GAN:

• There are two places where either a citation is needed or a better source is needed. These will need to be remedied.
• That it is a Eurogame should likely be noted in the lede. See Settlers of Catan for an example.
• At present, I have standardized all of the date formats in the reflist, whereas before they were a mix of traditional MDY and YYYY-MM-DD. If you add more references to the article, please choose one standard format.
• Additionally, whenever possible, all references should include authors and date of publication. Most did, but some had to be added.

Thank you for your patience as I dealt with my disease, and I hope you are satisfied with the results. — GhostRiver 00:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar for excellent edits

		The WikiProject Board and table games Barnstar
		I hereby award you the Board and table games Barnstar for your excellent edits in Scythe (board game). Scythe is a personal favorite game of mine, and I, unfortunately, didn't have a lot of time to fix it up as much as i'd like. I'm happy you were able to continue the work.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 07:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 11:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Celia Paquola

Hi VickKiang. I didn't realise the Daily Mail was a deprecated source. Thanks for reverting my edit. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 06:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

RfC on Talk:Joe Biden

By "discussion" I don't mean consensus; I mean discussed in the article, Presidency of Joe Biden, which states "Biden received increasingly harsh criticism from both Republicans and Democrats in the US Congress, with Republicans calling for his resignation or for his impeachment." Nythar (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

• I noticed that you closed the RfC at Talk:Joe Biden. You said there's a clear consensus that it's undue. I think you should remove that part because the discussion was never big enough to produce a clear consensus. Just saying your withdrawing the discussion. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Arche Nova

The page Arche Nova has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done for the following reason:

G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page

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Fun page to watchlist

You may be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Games. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Games/Article alerts. Have fun! _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:42, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

NHL Network Showcase moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, NHL Network Showcase, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, agree with your assessment. I believe this was initially created by another user (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NHL_Network_Showcase&action=edit&redlink=1). Apologies for the confusion. VickKiang (talk) 03:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk Related to "Saksham Digra"

I see that you were angry on my edit to Saksham Digra so i was trying to convince you that Saksham Digra has worked as a music producer in a movie named Karsandas Pay & Use and that,s reliable source and confirms notability and i did all those edits because it was suggested to me to edit as it was under my interest. Hsb66789 (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hsb66789: I had removed your unsourced update at Karsandas Pay & Use, and now I have removed your sourced update, because you provided the homepage of hungama.com and there is nothing about him there. Jay (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

If you consider my edit to be “angry”, I apologize, I only felt that the article is not notable to be a stand-alone one. I am unsure that my wording resulted in you to feel that way, but if so, sorry for the inconvenience. But I’m still unsure on the notability. Where can you find that he was a music producer? Also, apologies if this does not apply to you, but do you have a conflict of interest for Saksham Digra? If not, sorry for my mistake, and happy editing! and thanks again for contributing to WP! Also, I might have replied to someone else, if so sorry. VickKiang (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Question on RSN

Hi, hope you are doing well. I saw that you closed one of the RSN requests. Can you please how this process works? I think this RSN[1] should be reviewed and closed with verdict if it is reliable for the proposed context or not, but I am not sure how it works. Thanks in advance! Abrvagl (talk) 03:56, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

In RfC (request for comments), a verdict would be needed. I don't think that you had an RfC format, so IMO a closing with verdict won't be needed, but I believe that the consensus is that the source is marginally reliable and perhaps generally unreliable as it is quite biased. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response! I don't want to take up too much of your time, but I wanted to clarify: is a verdict for the case I raised not necessary or impossible? There is a ongoing dispute, where I believe other editor still not convinced that the source is marginally reliable. Verdict would clear things up and save everyone time. Thanks! Abrvagl (talk) 10:15, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

No worries at all. IMO the vote indicates two editors voting unreliable, another saying it’s very biased, and two agreeing that it is reliable. It’s definitely generally unreliable for contentious claims, but marginally reliable for info about itself right now as the discussion seems be split, if you wish to use this source, I would recommend considering its bias, using it carefully for ordinary (not special claims) and finding better secondary sources if possible. Government refs are probably reliable enough to use, with attribution, for its own opinion, but make sure that the information is of due weight. VickKiang (talk) 11:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Twoset Violin sources

Norman Lebrecht's Slipped Disc blog isn't really unreliable per WP:NEWSBLOG, and in the case of [2], he reposted the video and made his comment about it. But if you see any more primaries then please discuss at the talk page and see if there are alternative sources that can replace them. It was pretty hard when their videos did not get much coverage, but even now, the 2 mil and 3 mil videos have secondary coverage. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 06:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments! Twoset is a popular violin channel, and it's great that you cleaned up the article to C class! Refs 2, 9, 33 are self-published, though:

"Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field."

Ref 2 feels okay as it is a very basic info, and 9 is also of question, and a better ref is probably needed but it is barely all right. The same is for ref 33, but I am unsure on that the event is notable enough. Other refs are reliable enough, but school events are very routine, and do you think it's notable enough to be mentioned? If you have any more comments, please discuss in the article's talk page, and many thanks for your work on this article about this violinist duo! VickKiang (talk) 07:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Medical Advantage company

Hello VickKiang, I don't understand why you removed the page I created for Medical Advantage. I thought Wikipedia wants pages for bona fide companies. I created the Levenger company page 11 years ago, and it is still live here on Wikipedia. This doesn't make sense that you removed the Medical Advantage page so quickly. Wikipedia already has a bad reputation for being unfair, so you shouldn't have done that. At least let me edit it as you see fit. Grattan33 (talk) 04:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC) grattan33 Grattan33 (talk) 04:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Grattan33, thanks for your contributions! I did a Speedy Delete (CSD) under criteria G11 (advertisement), because it's like an advertisement. and it doesn't follow NPOV. The admin Athaenara deleted it, though you're welcome to create a better draft that is neutral. The Levenger Company article doesn't really always follow NPOV, but isn't an "unambiguous advertisement or promotion", as the there are all right sections. Otherwise, happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 04:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Summoner Wars (Second Edition) page concern

Hi. I took the freedom to leave a message regarding the subjected page move. The move is not proper as the refs are not suitable for notability. The refs are commercial. Hence, I request you to move to draft space. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 08:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: What is the line that "the refs are commercial"? The cited refs include Dicebreaker and IGN, both considered RS, and Tabletop Gaming is also all right. Also, is this a test edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Summoner_Wars_(Second_Edition)&diff=1096557503&oldid=1096557459&diffmode=source)? If you feel that it shouldn't be in mainspace, feel free to nominate for AfD. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@VickKiang please revert back to draft. AfD is not my intention. I'm working to improve, not to delete. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 11:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: I am not convinced. Why do you think this doesn't meet GNG? The three refs are reliable per my previous link. See also here. This article requires improvement, but I think it meets GNG, if this is at an AfD I will vote weak keep or keep, so could you explain why this need to be drafitified- I am open to all options, but the only one you purposed is "the refs are commercial", but IGN and Dicebreaker, while not the most insightful, are easily RS. VickKiang (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

VickKiang Kindly recall WP:BURDEN. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 11:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

You mean this? The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. Where do you think a ref is missing- probably for the 2021 Gen Con Tournament, which is only a primary ref and you can rm yourself- yes, some are weak, but WP:NOTABILITY is met. IMO further discussions could be at article talk page. Rules handle the Gameplay section, the Reception is also okay. If we continue to disagree, I might ask another other experienced editors at BTG, but I think we're covering notability issues, where do you think the article's OR, NPOV or verifiability is flawed that it shouldn't be a mainspace one? Please also reply to this comment on why you don't feel the article is notable, otherwise, many thanks for participating and trying to help with this article! VickKiang (talk) 11:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

VickKiang The refs 3,5,6,7,8 are suitable, but not the rest as 1,2,4 are advertisements. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: Why are they ads? Ref 2 and 4 are so, but the official website are fine for basic gameplay details, I removed them. But there is consensus that ref 1 is RS (RS), where did you get that it's sponsored? IMO it meets notability, three or four refs count towards GNG, what does WP:BURDEN affect this article and if it should be draftified? Many thanks for improving this article! VickKiang (talk) 02:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@VickKiang ref 2 and 3 are primary sources. And ref 1 is advertisement because it is dependent on the primary source's blog. Primary sources can be used for notes or Official website section, but not in the References. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: Why is it a primary source? In the discussion listed:

Appears generally reliable in it's topic area to me. Professional editing staff. Not clear that the review scores themselves are relevant, but for news in the space and descriptions of the games themselves, certainly appears on it's face to be reliable.

Yeah, like I said, it looks like it is useful for things like reviews (which is not subject to reliability concerns anyways, only establishing that the person whose opinion you are citing is recognized as worthy of listening to their opinion) and rather banal information like the names of game designers, release dates, gameplay mechanics (which can also be sourced to the game itself), etc.

I believe there's consensus that it is generally reliable, not a primary source (it is an analysis of the primary source) if you disagree about the consensus, we should go to RSN. Otherwise, I don't think this discussion on my talk page is that helpful, a third opinion is needed if we continue to disagree. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 02:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

VickKiang why you have skipped this para of the ref 1 link content On publisher Plaid Hat Games’ blog, it was announced that Summoner Wars: Second Edition would be releasing in May, with pre-orders available now.? Please note that, I have cleared that my intention here is not to delete but to improve unless a bias like D. B. S. Jeyaraj. I mostly keep citings. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

It cites a publisher's blog, yes, but even a publisher blog can be used for mundane details about themselves, see Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, and did you read the site's editorial policies? The consensus is that it's generally reliable for mundane details, and the blog isn't the only source that's used there. Do you think that merely the release of a game is a highly controversial, exceptional claim? VickKiang (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I am probably more of a deletionist than not, but the refs used are suitable IMO for such a basic detail. I am unsure that why you consider the article to be an unreliable ad, could you explain? You consider that I haven't read the article well, but did you read the previous lines from the RSN noticeboard- basic news details and release dates in this site are reliable, which includes this one? If you view this as unreliable, then what in your opinion constitute a reliable ref for BTG articles? I don't think you have replied to these. Many thanks for your help! VickKiang (talk) 03:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

VickKiang yes I do. Do you think that merely the release of a game is a highly controversial, exceptional claim? as the para connects link to the primary source's blog. Moreover, I don't want arguments here. I am here to citing and editing, not for other issues. I have edited a couple spelling. If your opinion is viable, let's end it here and shall try to improve the article. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 03:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

C/e is welcomed, but please don't do test edits on the article for Summoner Wars. I will start a discussion at the BTG WikiProject. Unfortunately, I still disagree with your view, but that's all right, disagreements are normal and helpful to an extent. Again. many thanks for your contributions and helping to improve the article, happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 03:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@VickKiang: hi again. Please do not drag me into controversies as I was blocked in March with restriction up to 7 September. I replied there as you tagged me. But can't go for more as 2 Administrators are there to observe my edits everyday. About Review policy page, that's their website, they can write whatever makes them safe. Sorry I can't land more in those discussions. Hope you will understand my situation. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 04:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies if I resulted in any controversies, while we disagree, I absolutely believe that you are a good faith editor now, and thanks for actively improving this article. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 04:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

COI Unidrax

There is no conflict of interest. Corruptlaughs (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, if so, please remember to follow the NPOV guidelines instead of writing an ad-like draft. I will post a welcome soon on your talk page, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Xiol (Archaeological Site) (July 10)

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 15:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Mistake

Made a mistake here, rm XfD closer and rv my silly edit, apologies! Another one here, see Talk:Niagara (board game)VickKiang (talk) 10:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

2O

I just prodded Dungeoneer (game). Perhaps you'd like to rescue this, or if not, there's the Template:Prod2 you can use. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

GAN

VickKiang, have you forgotten you are reviewing Resplendent quetzal? You seem to be editing actively in other areas, so I just wondered. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for this error! I don’t know why I keep forget to come back to this GA talk, and I definitely need to do much work with this. Apologies for this neglect, I will try to continue reviewing. VickKiang (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Remind

@VickKiang: pinging myself to remind on reviewing GA. Thanks Chiswick Chap! VickKiang (talk) 11:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Reverting edit

I have explained why I removed the content on Harry Lambert page 92.80.154.227 (talk) 06:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you revert back the edit? There is synthesis of published material and some sources linked don't even mention Lambert directly. 92.80.154.227 (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, but I disagree. It's synthesis-like, but a lot of refs, such as this, still refer Harry Lambert somewhat. Yes, it's way too long and unencyclopedic, but IMO c/e and selectively summarising is better than just rm all content, which is like content removal or disruptive editing to some other editors. Discuss more in that's talk page, thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

August 2022

Hello, I'm VickKiang. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Self-warning as I'd opened a couple of usernames, but accidentally reported the wrong person. I realised this, but another bot already had already rv it. During the days before August 4th, Wikistress increased for me, which resulted in this error. I considered retiring but failed horribly (I'd realise that I can't retire for now)... so am warning myself, though I'm still semi-retired. VickKiang (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't retire :)

I've just noticed your commented about retiring at WTBG. If there is anything I can help you with on-wiki, please don't hesitate to ask. It is always a pleasure to find some other active wiki editors interested in similar things; I'd hate to see you go. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I see you already received a specialized WPBG barnstar, nice! In recognition of your activity and expertise, please accept the original barnstar as well. May it be the (second) of many stars in your (wiki) future! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Thanks for your kind comments and awarding of the barnstar! I probably won't be active in mainspace at least for the next few days, but won't be fully retired, as sometimes I still want to edit. Tomorrow I might have a look at newer Game-related AfDs... if I've time, but thanks again! VickKiang (talk) 11:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Scythe (board game)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Scythe (board game) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Scythe (board game)

The article Scythe (board game) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Scythe (board game) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 11:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the pass! VickKiang (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Socratic Barnstar
	"Give them a tool, the use of which will lead to new ways of thinking." Buckminster Fuller Andre🚐 00:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

At some point Vick you have to let them have the last word, as fallacious and full of holes they are, and let everyone read it for themselves. Andre🚐 01:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. VickKiang (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Your attention needed

This page has been created after the draft declined here. Please do as per your capacity. _-✍ NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 07:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: I've drafitified via script, as I'm not a page mover or AfC creator, probably can't do much more, see Draft:Ransi gaon (village), but thanks for the heads up:) VickKiang (talk) 09:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Ransi gaon

https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/23434 is reference. MahendraPrajapatKhejarla (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

You can check MahendraPrajapatKhejarla (talk) 12:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd recommend you add the ref and submit to AfC, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 21:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Made a horrible mistake, trying to copy a redirect template from Just Stupid! to an UFO article (it's easier than searching for the original template page, which isn't in my page history), ended up with changing the redirect to Just Stupid! instead, fixed now, but I didn't read the preview... VickKiang (talk) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daku Kali Bhawani

Thanks for your vote here. Was wondering if Daku Maharani is notable. This source mentions the film three times, two in passing mentions. Finding films for low-key films are hard and 3 is better than 1 (Daku Kali Bhawani is only mentioned once). Do you think the film is notable (btw, did not do a WP:BEFORE yet). DareshMohan (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: Thanks for your reply. I couldn't find significant RS per a WP:BEFORE search, there are books with one mentions, so the film seems less than notable. I see that you've changed your vote, though, Shshshsh has rescued lots of subpar articles before, so I've asked a ping from that editor if sources are found. Thanks! VickKiang 07:10, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hey, you may want to read WP:BILLBOARD, as I think your new signature runs afoul of it a bit. It's an essay, and I actually don't agree with it as blanket advice, but in the case of your current signature the brightness is quite jarring (take it from someone whose signature looked like this for far too long) _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Thanks! How about this? VickKiang 22:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I think that looks nice _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Night in the Lonesome October

What is the actual point of bothering to put work into creating content for this website when you clearly don't want people to do that? My article for Night in the Lonesome October by Richard Laymon was a stub, but it was carefully researched and contained a reference, more than enough for someone to build on. To just delete all that careful work without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase. No wonder you're haemorrhaging money and having to beg for donations. JH 30 1991 (talk) 11:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I missed one of the Proquest reviews. Now, with two refs, IMHO notability is borderline. However, the statements you stated were inaccurate. without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase- a) I'm too a user (see WP:NPP), b) I left you a message with suggestions before converting the redirect, informing you about the notability guidelines. But you might be confusing me with the Wikimedia Foundation staff member- To just delete all that careful work without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase. No wonder you're haemorrhaging money and having to beg for donations- I am neither a staff member nor an admin, only the later can actually delete pages. VickKiang (talk) 20:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: the closure

Tbh, I spent a few minutes thinking about how to respond to that. I'd feel a bit dirty for outright thanking you for preemptively endorsing my closure (feels too conspiratory), but I do feel it's important to tell you that I'm grateful for the sentiment of support. God bless! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 01:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability of films

There is an established consensus that a film with at least two non trivial references is considered notable. With some extra effort it is often possible to add more references or a plot summary to improve the article. Inwind (talk) 08:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

You assume I don't know WP:NFILM, but where does it constitute that there are at least two non trivial references which are also RS? Also, I'm could you do better than WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES? Besides, your statement is inaccurate and fails to well summarise the criteria- The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. I had no luck other than finding 1 2, which are likely unreliable, could you please provide the refs per WP:BURDEN? Update: Notability is still borderline, but I've removed the WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES question. Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 21:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Being an inclusionist myself I am not happy about the deletionist approach that any article which is not well sourced has to be deleted. I am always happy to support other wwikipedians by improving articles if possible. With a quick google search I found another reference from Corriere della Sera for Agadah. I presume that you are happy now, that the artice is properly referenced. Inwind (talk) 14:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Inwind: Many thanks for your reply, however for I am not happy about the deletionist approach that any article which is not well sourced has to be deleted- I dislike your calling that I am a "deletionist". Unfortunately, my search apparently only found this from a similar website, so I asked you in the talk page as you're likely more familiar with the subject matter. I presume that you are happy now, that the artice is properly referenced- Again, IMHO the properly referenced is open to interpretation- do you mean verifiable or notable? I'd have no issues to mark an article as reviewed as long as it clearly passes notability. Right now, the two reviews IMO guarantee borderline notability, please also see the two reviews I linked above which are non-reliable (second one has the "blog" in the URL). However, I still appreciate your work in creating and improving articles, despite my disagreements with notability. Should we discuss further, let's go to the article's talk page instead of my UTP. Many thanks for your help, and best! VickKiang (talk) 20:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistake

Made a mistake with moving List of British DJs to draft- after the mainspace redirect is R2ed will move it back. VickKiang (talk) 04:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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Apologies, was there anything I did wrong? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

That was my bad. I must have clicked 'review' just a second after you did which marked it as unreviewed. Waddles 🗩 🖉

Speedy deletion nomination of Snihurivka

The blanking was an act of vandalism. Xx236 (talk) 06:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Xx236: Thanks, are you referring to this? I wrongly assumed the editor requested G7 through blanking, but it was removed by another IP fortunately. I've marked the redirect as reviewed a while ago. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5338/ – might want to check to make sure it's not the same or part of it. Atsme 💬 📧 03:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Atsme: Many thanks, but I think that's referring to Museum of the Mausoleum of the Nanyue King. See 1, 2. I don't think they are exactly the same place, though I might be wrong. Thanks again for the notification! VickKiang (talk) 03:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

About the other site- this and this doesn't look like the same place (correct me if I'm wrong), thanks! VickKiang (talk) 03:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Atsme: Updating that Cunard has found a couple of decent sources, if you found more refs as well please share it at the AfD. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 06:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

For failing to CSD Superkwok. VickKiang (talk) 09:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hey, you should not delete this page cause I want some time to work on it and this is the best article anyone can read its all about health and awareness.

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Thanks for your message! However, if possible could you have a look at Help:Your first article? Also see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI if you have time. Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

All Your Perfects

There really needs to be more about the book (i.e. reviews and its inclusion on the New York bestseller list) rather than just a description of the plot. Dan arndt (talk) 06:04, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: Thanks for the message! I agree with your all plot tag, thanks! Of course, it's just a stub now, but my de-PROD is as per WP:NOTCLEANUP. Unfortunately, the user who created the article, GenZenny, has a series of warnings for poor sourcing and incorrect tagging. However, I'll try to add a reception section for this, but I believe this is notable, with two reviews and inclusion on two bestseller lists. do you concur that it meets WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK? Many thanks again for your message here and time! VickKiang (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm okay with DE-PRODDING but it needs work. Dan arndt (talk) 06:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I've added a basic reception section here. Unfortunately, I don't have subscription to Booklist though. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 06:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, the organisation might be important but regardless of whether it is private or public, articles at Wikipedia must follow WP:NPOV. Your article unfortunately violated WP:SPAM, WP:SOAPBOX, and WP:PUFFERY. If you have a WP:COI (conflict of interest) or is WP:PAID (being paid by someone else) on the topic, please disclose it in accordance to our guidelines. You are welcome to identify three sources that demonstrate that the notability guideline for organisations, WP:NORG, is met. If so, you could submit a neutrally worded version at Wikipedia:Article for Creation for review. However, please do not recreate the previous version, a fundamental rewrite is required, otherwise it would be unhelpful and will be speedily deleted again. Many thanks and welcome! VickKiang (talk) 05:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

AFD for the dissolved radio station

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Boat Page Discusssion

Thank You for the explanation on the AFD. It was good learning for me. What you were saying was totally getting matched with the guidelines, which I was not getting. I actually thought it is notable as they are good in Indian Market. Although, I am in Malaysia. Lordofhunter (talk) 11:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment! VickKiang (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

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Thanks for the reply! VickKiang (talk) 03:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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Mistake

Accidentally moved Baked Ziti to userspace without changing the title, apologies for the mistake, tagged U2 and fixed now. VickKiang (talk) 06:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Another mistake unfortunately- Phyline Jean pressed the button after I AfDed it, accidentally marking it as unreviewed. Fixed now. VickKiang (talk) 03:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Do not delete the article Caloocan High School

I am not advertising in this article. I leave it to not delete this article, it does not mean that the article is advertised, it is an informative information for this article. Thank you very much Mr. Coordinator (talk) 05:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I leave it to not delete this article, it does not mean that the article is advertised, it is an informative information for this article- could you have a look at Help:Your first article, WP:PROMO, and potentially WP:COI if it is applicable (ignore if that is irrelevant, I've posted a notice on your user talk page just in case)? Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 05:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

SDUSA leaders

Thanks for your review. I followed your advice and shortened the Ben Wattenberg quotation, which concurred with my own doubts about putting such a long extract in the lead paragraph. —— Shakescene (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for shortening the quote! VickKiang (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Yoram Peri

Mr. Peri was the chief editor of one of Israeli leading daily newspapers, advisor of Rabin - what is the reason to move it to draft? i added six books that he published in top publishers, and if you look at the Hebrew wikipedia you will find 15 links but all of them in Hebrew. Yoavd (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

As a WP:BLP, the article is unsourced, some of the books does have hits of Google Books but could you demonstrate that WP:NBOOK is met for one of the books, so that WP:NAUTHOR is passed? Alternatively, please provide three references that count towards GNG/BASIC. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

References

I don't know if my references count for what is needed to save the page. The reason I created the page is because there's little to no information about the existence of this factory that existed in my hometown. Was a huge part of our local economy, and employed some of my friends. Paul E Thompson (talk) 06:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@Paul E Thompson: Thank you for your reply. This does not meet the reliable source requirements, see WP:RS, this link just brings me to a page with a general list of news articles instead of one directly about the company (might be because of a paywall). Could you clarify on the second source? Thanks.

Additionally, you said that the company employed some of my friends. Do you have a connection with the company, or is it just that your friends are connected with the company and you are merely a fan interested in it? Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 08:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

This is for Mark lll Industries Paul E Thompson (talk) 07:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletions

Hi, nice work in deletions. Regarding Vattakara, I later backed out of the deletion discussion out of fear from the article creator's comments Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vattakara (film). Looking back, what I did was wrong. I think the article should be deleted. The only reliable source is the 7th source on the article. The 8th source was the article creator manually uploading a picture of a newspaper. Given the current times and internet, the film should have received online reviews. Do you think the article should be renominated/deleted? The 1st six sources are unreliable. DareshMohan (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your note, will have a look soon. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

@DareshMohan: IMO, the seventh source is RS but doesn't appear to be SIGCOV IMO. It only has seven sentences (very short), and it routinely lists the cast. The only commentary that goes beyond listing the cast and plot is a comment by Bharathy, the director, who praises the music and songs, but he is not independent from the film itself unfortunately. I also found this piece, but it isn't really SIGCOV IMO, of the five paragraphs four are just quotes, I don't see that this has direct and in-detail independent coverage, instead just quoting and sharing the director's opinion.

The review counts towards GNG and might count as NFILM depending upon whether the critic or the publication is nationally well-known, but I have no idea how long it is as I can't access an online version and the image was deleted as a copyvio. Therefore, I would probably be at delete and support an AfD as one review is insufficient. VickKiang (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the introspection. Regarding the review, it was by a state-known - Maalaimalar - (which is sufficient in this case since each state in India has its own language) and was long. The company publishes their reviews online as well but this is a rare case in which I am having trouble finding it. Okay, I think you would say the same for 4554 (2022 film). DareshMohan (talk) 00:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll nominate Vattakara for deletion again. Additionally, on 4554- I'm personally unconvinced, but it was marked as reviewed by User:Onel5969. I've pinged them to check if they found any more refs demonstrating notability. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks bro. You can finish the deletion for the second one. They should be deleted for the same reasons. :-) DareshMohan (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

If Bhojpuri films without reliable sources are worth deleting, you should check out Naach Baiju Naach and Category:2020s Bhojpuri-language films. DareshMohan (talk) 07:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, will take a look soon. VickKiang (talk) 08:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

RfA questions and the like

If you see a comment that is completely inappropriate, please do not repeat it elsewhere. The content in question required RD, and because you repeated the statement that diff had to be removed as well. It's not the end of the world in this case since it was caught pretty quickly, but it does greatly increase the number of people who are likely to see things like this. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 09:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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See talk page history for caution note in relation to an active WP:ANI discussion, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1116#User:Beccaynr. VickKiang (talk) 05:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

jq (programming language)

There are two totally independent implementations of jq; also, multiple sources are mentioned in the linked "awesome jq" page. jq is currently ranked about #27 in the Rosetta Code listing at https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code/Rank_languages_by_popularity/Full_list

(I'm not sure whether it matters, but I noticed that the Google query "jq json -jquery" currently yields over 3 million hits.)

Most importantly, perhaps, jq has stood the test of time (e.g. as indicated by the second independent implementation, and by activity on stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged jq).

Would it help establish "notability" if some of these references were explicitly added?Peak (talk) 07:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm unsure if GitHub refs could be WP:SIGCOV, also inclusion in another wiki and questions in the user-generated Stack Overflow might not be ideal. Do you have more refs to count towards WP:GNG? Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 08:03, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I will check on WP:GNG but it seems to me that many of the references in the "awesome jq" listing would be relevant. Have you reviewed it? In the meantime, I'd like to point out that rosettacode.org has pages for over 700 programming languages, so being in the top 30 means something there. By contrast, there are wikipedia pages for JSONiq and jaql, but neither is even mentioned at rosettacode.org; JSONiq has only 34 questions at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/jsoniq compared to jq's over 5,000. (Again FWIW, g\Googling for "JSONiq -jquery" yields 17,100 results.) The most recent stable release of jaql dates from 2010, and there is no "jaql" tag on stackoverflow.com at all. (The Google query "jaql json -jquery" yields 31,300 results.) Thanks. Peak (talk) 08:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

By contrast, there are wikipedia pages for JSONiq and jaql, but neither is even mentioned at rosettacode.org- unfortunately this seems to be a bit like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the standard is GNG, not compared to whether JQ is more widely used compared to other pages. Moreover, the Awesome JQ page appears to be links to other GitHub pages, which per here and 2 some user contended it is a primary source and might not be a reliable source, whereas GNG requires multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 08:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Google Scholar “+jq json -jquery” uncovers ~2,150 academic citations. I’ve checked several, and they are all relevant. In some cases, I had to find an alternative URL to gain access to the cited work. The online preview of the book is sufficient to verify relevance, but full access requires purchase. Peak (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Please note that I've added a small selection of third-party citations regarding jq to Talk:Jq_(programming_language). Hopefully that will satisfy your concerns. Thanks. Peak (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look soon. VickKiang (talk) 20:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks and wish that you have a wonderful holiday as well. VickKiang (talk) 08:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Yves Winkin

I know it's a year ago, but this speedy deletion tag, 4 minutes after the first edit by the contributing user, and on an article which was informative and not obviously promotional, has to be amongst the most terrible deletion decisions I've seen in recent times. I hope you're not doing this sort of thing anymore. --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: So, as you said, this is a CSD tag from a year ago. I barely recall this, but at the time, I was concerned with several sentences, such as The most striking example is still Disney Land and Winkin extends this reflection by enriching it with his experience as an anthropologist of communication and as a museum director. In particular, he discusses the promising model of ecomuseums. The problem with my CSD tag are that 1) it was not unambiguously and fully promotional (i.e., removing these parts would leave an article that would still be in not great shape, but not fully promotional) and 2) the user was a good-faith one who is actively finding and adding sources.

Regarding the 4 minutes after the first edit, WP:CSD at the time warned against hastiness in A1/A3/A7s and recommended waiting for 10-15 minutes (which has now been revised to 1 hour), but blatant spam can be tagged quicker. But Yves Winkin was not blatant spam, and I should have checked the contributor user's history first and not tagged this at all. Moreover, I was concerned about the notability of this, but I lack familiarity about Belgian sources. Moving forward from October 2022, I generally avoided or sought second opinions regarding subjects with referencing in language I am unfamiliar with.

Finally, let's address has to be amongst the most terrible deletion decisions I've seen in recent times. I hope you're not doing this sort of thing anymore. During mid-2022, there were several times when I draftified too hastily, in violation of WP:DRAFTOBJECT, and the like, but after learning from these instances, I think of my subsequent CSD tagging and AfDs, which is expected for all NPPers, I have a CSD error rate of, say, 5% across my subsequent taggings and reviews (you can see my page curation log), which is an acceptable error rate IMO. Moreover, as I am a NPR, I am open to all scrutiny relating my actions, and if you have anything else, I welcome your feedback. VickKiang (talk) 05:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)