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A medley of peeress titles, and barons

Some items to squirrel away, in case they may come in useful. In connection with comments on "Baroness vs Lady Carrickfergus"[1], it has occurred to me (sourcelessly) that, given the centuries old formula used in acts of parliament, be it enacted ... by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled...[2], "Commons" has there been gender inclusive from the first parliament (1918) in which a woman was an MP, namely, Nancy Astor, Viscountess Astor, wife of Waldorf Astor, 2nd Viscount Astor; and, likewise, 'Lords' from the appointments under the Life Peerages Act 1958, and including hereditary peeresses under the Peerage Act 1963. Also, Life peers are either barons (a title deprecated for British nobles which has been replaced with Lord for all but the most formal documents since the early medieval period) or Baronesses (where female);[3] and The first woman peer to take her seat in the Lords was Baroness Swanborough (Dame Stella Isaacs, Marchioness of Reading), ahead of Baroness Wootton on 21 October 1958.[4] . Disambig.: Baron of the Exchequer (all male!); disambig.: Exchequer Court of Canada[[5]]. --Qexigator (talk) 11:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Qexigator. HelenOnline 20:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Template

Reverted him. You didn't need to warn him by the way, he's been warned before. His edits are a violation of our NPOV policy. Heck, I think a lot of Christians aren't Christian, but I won't insist Wikipedia says that. Dougweller (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Doug. He reverted again. Clearly he wants or needs to be blocked. Re the user warning, I now do that as soon as someone hits BRR to prepare myself for ANEW sooner rather than later. I am tired of wasting time on edit warriors. HelenOnline 14:44, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:AN3 report done. If someone has been warned before, you don't need to warn, just report them after 4RR. Although I guess if they've only been warned once and not blocked, a warning is good. Dougweller (talk) 15:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you HelenOnline 15:20, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

You should look at the added warning the blocking Admin gave him on his talk page! Dougweller (talk) 19:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, I hope it works. I appreciate your help. HelenOnline 19:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

Dougweller (talk) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec13}} to your friends' talk pages.

Dougweller (talk) 21:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Doug, happy holy-days! :) HelenOnline 21:56, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Death and state funeral of Nelson Mandela

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

The recent Richard III sculpture image .

Just to let you know, that sculpture is his own work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (talk • contribs) 17:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I noticed. Is there a problem with my edit? HelenOnline 17:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Not with your edit. I wondered if it should it be there at all? Struck me as WP:OR or at least as a personal interpretation. Although it's not actually too bad... _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I think the main issue would be self-promotion and I have addressed that. If other editors don't think the image adds value to the article, they can challenge its inclusion. I don't have strong feelings in that regard. HelenOnline 17:23, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Me neither. Cheers _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

Okay, maybe this will clarify: WP:DICK. Try not to be one. — kwami (talk) 07:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Afrikaans in Botswana

In the article on Afrikaans it is stated that Afrikaans is an official minority language in Botswana. However, I can not find anything about is on the internet. Do you have any additional information ?

Many thanks, Leo Hoogendoorn 2001:981:F172:1:44C0:EA5D:20DF:1502 (talk) 11:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Shweshwe

Helen,

This reads very much like a commercial.

Is it wikipedia-worthy ?

Wizzy…☎ 14:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I think so, obviously. Give me a chance, I only just started writing it. HelenOnline 14:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

4th Cape Town Wiki-meetup

Hi Helen, I just wanted to let you know about, and invite you to, the 4th Cape Town Wiki-meetup at Truth Coffee on Buitenkant St on Sunday the 2nd of February. Cheers, --Discott (talk) 12:34, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Douglas. I have friends from out of town staying with me over the weekend so it depends what time they leave on Sunday if I will be able to make it. HelenOnline 13:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Helen, no worries and thanks for keeping me in the loop.--Discott (talk) 15:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Closes 1400 hours Sundays _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 08:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Kind regards, Afro-Eurasian (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the support. I won't be able to complete the post move clean up today but I will do so within the next couple of days. HelenOnline 22:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

You worked hard for San people

No-one worked harder on that one. Just saw the bushmen is now dust. What a struggle.--Inayity (talk) 11:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Shweshwe

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Bushmen/San

Please see Talk:San people#"post-move clean up". --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

You might find this interesting

With all your work recently on the Khoisan I thought you might find this interesting. Seems Van Riebeeck and friends were not the first Europeans to settle in South Africa. --NJR_ZA (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Nick :) I actually saw it on Facebook earlier (and didn't stop to study it). Now I will have to study it. :D HelenOnline 17:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Congratulations on over 10 000 edits on the English Wikipedia! --NJR_ZA (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Nick :) HelenOnline 20:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thokozile Masipa

The DYK project (nominate) 15:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For helping combat the Wikipedia:Systemic bias on Wikipedia through creating articles like Thokozile Masipa a topic highlighting underrepresented African communities and prominent women and publicly profiling it via WP:DYK! Great job! Sadads (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you :) HelenOnline 16:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dunstan Mlambo

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Affidavit of Oscar Pistorius

The answer you seek is in his affidavit which is publicly available and cited in the trial article: "I heard a noise in the bathroom ..." HelenOnline 10:48, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I just now read the affidavit. Thanks for the link! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Theron

Hi Helen. Given your experience with the previous San naming issue and South Africa-related matters in general, would you mind weighing in on this discussion? One user suggested there that "African American" is a nonsensical politically-correct neologism, and asked that since Charlize Theron is from Africa and became a naturalized American citizen, why is she not considered an "African American" Oscar winner? Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful comments Helen; they are certainly insightful. If it's not too much trouble, could you perhaps indicate there whether you support or oppose the naming proposal? From your remarks, it seems that you oppose it, but others may interpret this differently. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 14:13, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

New RfC on Talk:List of African-American Academy Award winners and nominees

I have just posted a new RfC on Talk:List of African-American Academy Award winners and nominees. Given your previous involvement in the discussion of a related RfC there, you might want to comment on mine. 99.192.66.175 (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Serious warning

Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder :) If "regulars" acted in accordance with Wikipedia policy (ie followed BRD vs edit warring in this case), I wouldn't have to bother. HelenOnline 07:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Gosh, I didn't see Barney's message here until just now. I wonder what he could be talking about? -Roxy the dog (resonate) 21:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikimeetup May 2014

Hi Helen, Wikimedia ZA would like to invite you to the 5th Cape Town Wiki-meetup for 11am, Sunday the 4th May 2014 at Truth Coffee on 36 Buitenkant Street, Cape Town. It would be great if you could join us. Please invite who ever you think might be interested.--Discott (talk) 15:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hello there voice of reason please be my mentor Linda?

WestrandCity (talk) 08:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:NOTPROMOTION: It's all you need to know. Please stop wasting everybody's time including your own. HelenOnline 08:33, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

List

Hi HelenOnline. The RfC finally expired, and an administrator erroneously closed it in favor of the page move when there was clearly no consensus for it (five votes for the proposal vs. five votes against it). Despite this, one of the accounts that supported the move has attempted to edit the list in that direction. I've left a detailed explanation of the situation here. Your input there would be appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Saw that, really surprised me. o.O HelenOnline 15:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Per your recommendation and that of another user, I've started a formal move review of the RfC. Your input there would be appreciated. Whatever the outcome, I'll start drafting a proposal for a long overdue, dedicated WP:RACES policy. The new policy will gather in one place all of the various existing policy clauses on "race", as well as several new clauses. I'll link you first to the draft sub-page so that you may edit it yourself as needed before I formally submit it for evaluation. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok, it's up. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Wicca edit

I have read everywhere that Samhain is celebrated on 1 November. Do Wiccans celebrate it on the 31 October and thus on a different day from everyone else? Sbrianhicks (talk) 17:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

For Neopagans, the main celebration is on the evening of 31 October, but the whole holiday lasts from sunset of 31 October to sunset of 1 November (in the Northern hemisphere). HelenOnline 19:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Though from my understanding, Pagans, like Jews, treat sundown as beginning a new day, correct? So the evening of the 31 is, for their purposes, the 1? Either way, shouldn't we at least add "October 31-November 1"? Thanks! Sbrianhicks (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Calendar dates are the same for everybody, regardless of religion. :) I agree with you re adding both dates and that is why I added that yesterday after reverting your edit. I thought you would have seen that. I apologise, my editing process and communication was not ideal in this case as I was multitasking. HelenOnline 16:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi HelenOnline, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:41, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Trial of Oscar Pistorius

You recently contributed at Talk:Trial of Oscar Pistorius.

Can I ask you to look at this Talk:Trial_of_Oscar_Pistorius#Neutrality_.22Progress_of_trial.22_section querying the neutrality of the section "Progress of the Trial" and let me know 1 if you agree/disagree that it's biased and needs fixing 2 whether you propose to make any contributing edits to fix.

I've suggested May 5, when trial resumes, should be a target date to get things fixed. In my view two things at least are needed:

• A balancing edit to record that expert witness for the prosecution testified that Reeva Steenkamp would have had time to scream and that it would have been abnormal for her not to.

• A balancing edit for Pistorius' apology. Perhaps recording Reeva Steenkamp's mother's response in the press following?

An alternative (which I prefer) would be to strike the edit I originally reverted, so that the concluding paragraph would look like this:

On 28 March, the trial was postponed until 7 April as one of the assessors fell ill. On 7 April, Pistorius began testifying in his own defence at the trial. The cross examination of Pistorius lasted for five days, and ended on April 15th.

Please reply here (I've watchlisted your page).Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I am not going to comment on that section and don't plan to ever edit it again as it is not worth the trouble (apart from tagging, offhand I only recall making one minor edit to it). Per WP:NOTNEWS, I would never have started such a section and believe it should go when we can summarize the final judgement. It irks me when people start such sections or articles and then ignore them when they have lost interest. HelenOnline 10:00, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

As you know I mostly support you on this, with the significant exception that I think it worth recording ongoing media coverage and my own editing in that section was confined to recording and archiving that.

However the reality is that people do make edits there and they do need to be overseen for standards. I shall copy my editing suggestions to the article Talk page. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 10:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the notable media coverage section, which I don't consider news coverage per se. There is a lot wrong with Wikipedia but I can only do so much and choose to spend my time and energy more productively. HelenOnline 10:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopaganism_in_South_Africa

Is the above your article? I am looking for the photographer, possibly Michelle Blackie, whose photos of the handfasting you used. I am the Marriage Officer there and am looking for more photos...

Thank You. Sharon Parkinson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagetab (talk • contribs) 13:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is user removed my rfc for no reason and accused me of bad faith. Thank you. TheMesquito^buzz 18:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Removing of External Link on South African Elections Day 2014 page

• It was an official Google Doodle Relevant to the South Africa Elections Day 2014
• Due to the large influence Google have on the internet, it's significance can be amplified.
• If you do not like the link I placed up, I suggest finding a link to the official Google Doodle for "South Africa Elections Day" and work it into the article to make it more Wikipedia Acceptable.
• On a personal note - I am very involved in these kind of things and have been part of the official journalists for many events in the country... eg. Nelson Mandela's Funeral etc.

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Removal of Google Doodle Link on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_general_election,_2014

Moved to Talk:South African general election, 2014 § Removal of Google Doodle Link

 – Discussion moved to article talk page for wider consultation. HelenOnline 08:27, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hi HelenOnline I believe that the reference to the Google Doodle on Wikipedia is important as it directly relates to the South African General Elections 2014. South Africa Election Day 2014

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Mmusi Maimane Article

I'm a South African and i like Mmusi Maimane, I think he is eloquent, charismatic and most importantly a very smart politician , but this article I do not like, I think it has this tone that says vote for the Democratic Alliance and make Maimane Gauteng Province's premier. I feel it was not written from a neutral stand point and I also feel it was used as a campaigning and an advertising platform in this case. It also didn't come as a surprise to me to see that one of its most contributors is MaimaneForPremier  !!, someone please sort this out Bobbyshabangu (talk) 18:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Mmusi Maimane. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
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Hi Bobby. I have made some superficial changes to the article but I am not adopting it per se. As I have said before, we do not have enough South African editors. There is a lot wrong on Wikipedia. If I felt responsible for fixing everything, I would have a nervous breakdown. HelenOnline 19:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Helen, i know what you are talking about, i just wanted to avoid some wikiwars and wanted to first debate about it a bit before i made my contributions ( I've seen this especially with the Shaka Zulu article you are regularly contributing on , which was of course partly locked for editing) , otherwise thanks i'll do like wise Bobbyshabangu (talk) 07:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, but I don't recall editing the Shaka article. HelenOnline 07:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For your fantastic coverage of the South African general election, 2014. Well done. Nathan121212 (talk) 17:29, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Nathan :) HelenOnline 17:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Meredith Kercher

Moved to Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher § My revert

 – Moved to article talk page. HelenOnline 11:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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Just out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to revert the information posted in regards to the above topic? As both statements were legally true. Amanda Knox was found GUILTY by not 1 but 2 high courts in Italy and is wanted on charges of murdering Meredith Kercher. Her current whereabouts in the US are unknown, due to the extradition order placed by the Italian courts to the US supreme court. Was Wiki not the place for truth? and not just a biased opinion of a Knox fan??????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleetzy (talk • contribs) 10:56, 29 May 2014 UTC)

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Wiki Loves Pride

Sorry for the delayed response -- I am currently at WikiConference USA, so I have been a bit distracted. Your draft looks great to me! I plugged the Commons photo challenge during my presentation today about Wiki Loves Pride. Again, thank you for supporting this outreach effort to improve Wikimedia projects. --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

hi helen

I'm just interested in finding out more about what you do, can you please reach me on gannyemasehla@yahoo.com 0798301741 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.16.213 (talk) 15:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Lynne Brown query

Hai Helen. I would like to query your decision to include of Lynne Brown in the "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender topics in South Africa" template. Brown is not an activist nor has Brown voiced any concerns towards issues in relation to LGBTIs in SA, Brown is our Minister of Public Enterprises, that is what she does now, that is her job - finish and klaar. Why must Brown then be apart of that series? --SanamBh (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I included her after adding her cabinet appointment to Timeline of LGBT history in South Africa. I don't have strong feelings about it though, so remove it if you disagree. It's not my area of expertise, I am just trying to improve South Africa's LGBT coverage for Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2014. HelenOnline 18:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not mine either, that's why I wanted to query. Regarding that timeline - would this event be noteworthy? [6]--SanamBh (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I think if it was relevant it should be covered elsewhere on Wikipedia so we can include a link. Can I park it for now (busy with WLP photos and Commons photo challenges for the rest of this week)? HelenOnline 18:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, as you wish. thanks and good luck Helen. --SanamBh (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

I wanted t say thanks for helping with my photos at Wikipedia_talk:Wiki_Loves_Pride_2014#Commons_photo_challenge_June_2014. Do you have WikiLove disabled? I couldn't activate it on your page... Cheers! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure and no, not sure how one would do that either. Thanks for confirming your challenge entries. HelenOnline 11:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I wish I add my thanks as well, for taking photographs and supporting Wiki Loves Pride, and for submitting a report for South Africa on the Results page. Your pictures are great, and it was so nice to see activity on the African continent. You've helped make the inaugural WLP campaign a success, and for that I am grateful and pleased that Wikipedia has such great contributors. :) --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure. I enjoyed it and wish I could have done more. Thank you for organising it. HelenOnline 16:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow, and now images from Cape Town, Soweto and Joburg--how great! Feel free to add these galleries to the South Africa WLP page. --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:44, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Split of Category:Bantu people

In case anyone is here about this:

Please bear with me while I split Category:Bantu people per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 24#Category:Bantu people. If you have any concerns about my edits, please discuss with me rather than revert. It is a heck of a job and trying to figure it all out while someone else is reverting me is more than my brain can handle. Unfortunately I cannot press a button and make it happen all at once, it is a complicated process and I am juggling other Wiki work and real life all at the same time. HelenOnline 12:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Please talk to me if you have any queries about my edits in this regard. HelenOnline 12:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

References

South African slang words may be deemed offensive, taboo or controversial and thus may rarely be written about or openly discussed - how to cite reliable sources in this instance?

Hello HelenOnline

I apologise for not including reliable sources when I inserted new entries on the List of South African Slang page. I am South African and I know those terms are quite common. The problem is that those sexual practices which the slang words describe are taboo, and the activities of the South African Defence Force at that time are highly controversial, so the practices are rarely openly discussed or written about and thus the sources are severely lacking. How does one corroborate slang?

Thank you Monica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monica Mbaraga (talk • contribs) 10:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Monica Mbaraga: I am also South African and had family and friends in the army and have never heard those terms before. That does not mean it is not true, just that those terms are not as common as you seem to think. You need to cite reliable sources period. The world will survive without it if you cannot find any. HelenOnline 10:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

South African Model

Thank you for warning me but if you check the site wdw (who's dated who) http://m.whosdatedwho.com/p47204/candice-swanepoel/ and her old pictures you can learn that she isn't a real blonde. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrswhoknoweverything (talk • contribs) 18:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC) Also She was made her first debut on Victoria's Secret runaway in 2007 that means she was 19 becalmed she was born in October 1988 show was happened in November or December — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrswhoknoweverything (talk • contribs) 18:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mrswhoknoweverything: Wikipedia does not consider Who's dated who a reliable source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mrswhoknoweverything: Indeed, WDW falls under WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:USERGENERATED. You removed a source for her modelling career and added your own unsourced original research ([7]). Please try to learn a bit more about what Wikipedia is and is not before editing again. HelenOnline 19:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Baron Pieter van Rheede van Oudtshoorn

Good one! May the Coffee be with you! Most sources point to a spelling of "Reede" and not "Rheede". I haven't looked into it, but was reading up on Oudsthoorn and saw that. See these entries in the Dutch WP. A cup of Lavazza to you. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, there are several spelling variations. I already did some research on him as he is in my family tree (related by marriage, although I cannot establish the exact line to the stamvader as he had plenty of descendants). HelenOnline 10:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

GLAM Western Cape libraries edit-a-thon

Hi Helen, Douglas here, just wanted to send you our thanks from all of us at the Western Cape Libraries edit-a-thon for joining us today and helping out with our edits.--Discott1982 (talk) 09:13, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem, hope I am not getting in the way with edit conflicts. HelenOnline 09:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Pieter van Reede van Oudtshoorn

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DYK for The Cenotaph, Cape Town

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7 Wale Street

Is 7 Wale Street really called the Provincial Legislature Building? It does house executive departments as well (Health, Social Development and Treasury IIRC) and the name engraved on the outside is actually just "Provincial Building". - htonl (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

It is according to the WCPP website. HelenOnline 21:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I have to admit I tend not to trust government websites with details such as that because they often seem to be quite slap-dash about getting it right. I see you've removed the name from the article which is probably the best solution. - htonl (talk) 21:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I had a look on Google Street View. Outside the main entrance door it also says "Provincial Legislature Western Cape" in 3 languages. I would rather leave it out or change it to "Provincial Building". There is no reliable evidence for "Provincial Government Building". HelenOnline 06:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Here for example it's referred to as the "Provincial Government Building". I concur that the safest option is to leave it out (referring only to "7 Wale Street") or to use the "Provincial Building" name that is visibly engraved on the facade. - htonl (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Showme

Good day Helen,

My name is Lynette and I represent Showme Online Media.

We are a National platform of community franchises, targeting locals and tourists and attaining over 500 000 hits per month. I decided to add each of our 31 franchises to their specified region, as an external link on Wikipedia. I felt, since we have freshly updated content on a daily basis, the links would be beneficial for anyone interested in learning more about the town or region. I now see that each external link I have posted over the past week has been removed. I am asking if you could please take into consideration that we are not advertising a website, but are supplying enriched content.

You are welcome to view the site on www.showme.co.za and please get back to me at your soonest convenience.

Yours sincerely Lynette Mullins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynsamaze (talk • contribs) 10:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Lynette, it is not an official website controlled by a recognised authority and it is clear that it is a website about a variety of subjects that primarily exists to sell products or services. It should not be included in external links per WP:ELNO as you have already been advised by myself and htonl. If you would like a third opinion, you can ask at the Teahouse which you have already been invited to. HelenOnline 10:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Untitled rant

philanthropist whose money? Williams' nanny and second wife! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.119.238.127 (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Please remove your view of Oscar Pistorius

I think that you are obsessed and you are blindly adding in things that are inaccurate, to the detriment of Wikipedia. I think it is time to take a back seat and let other people handle it. Please remove it from your watch list. Thanks. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

IP warned for harassment. [8] Please do not let them drive you off. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

No harassment by me, only by HelenOnline. NeilN warned for harassing innocent constructive editor while trying to encourage HelenOnline to control article, pushing false view of situation. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:24, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Good job for having your bully NeilN defend you. You sure are a piece of work. Goodbye Wikipedia, congratulations, you will never be accurate while you behave like this. All I did was add accurate information. Helen, hang your head in shame, in serious, severe shame. I hope that you see the level of harm you have done, even if NeilN doesn't because his head is too far up his own backside to actually check any facts. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I've looked at the edits in question and Helen, I think you were quite correct to remove that text. Besides the uncited BLP issue you identified, the text also displayed, to my mind, a problematic level of anti-Nel POV. It is a pity that the IP editorhas overreacted so strongly to what was essentially a minor editing disagreement. - htonl (talk) 18:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realise things were going to escalate in this manner so quick. Sorry for not getting to it sooner. You do great work here, don't pay any attention to the IP's harassment . Regards,  NQ  talk 00:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem NQ. Thank you very much to everyone who helped. HelenOnline 05:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:ANI#IP_harassment_of_editor --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Neil, I have responded there. HelenOnline 08:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hi, I've been stalking since you templated me for something a while back, and wanted to say that I cannot believe the attitude of the IP editor in this astonishing little episode both here and on various other article and user Talk pages, (and drama boards). It seems that many editors have been supportive, and have shown what I think is great collegiality - if that's the right word - in showing you, Helen, what they think. I wanted to add my support to them, and you. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 14:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Does that mean you have forgiven me? HelenOnline 14:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Only since I started stalking. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:42, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For keeping the Trial of Oscar Pistorius article neutral and factual in the face of bullying and harassment, and even managing to remain calm and courteous while doing so! MelanieN (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2014 (UTC) Seconded Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Gosh thanks, not worth getting worked up over it. HelenOnline 15:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I second that Barnstar! Bearian (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks HelenOnline 19:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Pinging users

This won't work. The user's name and your signature must be added in the same post. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops sorry, thanks for letting me know. HelenOnline 15:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Harold Cressy

Picking up on your comment at DYK. Would you like it if we nominate the HS High school under joint authorship? We could also include the Harry Cressy bio if you think we have enough stuff. If you are busy, then that's fine. Really enjoyed the collaboration - your copy editing and local knowledge increased the quality significantly Victuallers (talk) 09:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

I don't think you need to credit me, I have only done superficial edits so far. I need to take a bit of a breather from editing and get out to take some photos for WLM. I will get back to you later on. Please ask me if you have questions about anything local. HelenOnline 10:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Not superficial. Good luck with WLM! If you can get some school pictures of real schools (not the fancypants ones) then that would be useful. Victuallers (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I will. You will not believe that I was in District Six last Sunday. HelenOnline 11:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Aaah ... I wasnt sure which side of the country you were. If you would like to peruse this then it should be the fourth SA article....

@Victuallers: Please rather post these requests at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Africa where more editors will hopefully see them. I have limited capacity unfortunately and other things I need to attend to. HelenOnline 15:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't feel any pressure. Ive deleted the above two lines. I'm quite happy with the help you volunteered. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you have found some time. Can you make sure that the Sinton article still has refs after the sentences that jusrtify the DYK hook or it will fail the process. One ref will be enough. The Trafalgrar article got > 3000 hits depite a poor page position. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 07:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize the ALT hook was being used. I make mental notes while I am sleeping to make various edits, when my mind is able to process all the information better. I am also very aware it will appear on the main page shortly and that puts pressure on me to do it now. There is nothing worse than an avalanche of criticism from readers who don't even edit Wikipedia. HelenOnline 08:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pride parades in South Africa

Hello! Your submission of Pride parades in South Africa at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alexander Sinton Secondary School

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

unsure

Hello

I am new to Wikipedia.

Please explain the rules regarding editing.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niemannis (talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 August 2014‎ (UTC) HelenOnline 21:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)‎

You have already been referred to the welcome page and invited to the Teahouse. If you can't be bothered with those, WP:NOT might tell you what you need to know to prevent being blocked which is what you are asking for now. HelenOnline 21:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)