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"Deuteragonist"

Is there a reason you're removing every single reference to this word?—Ryulong (琉竜) 13:25, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm mostly removing the uses where it's been added gratuitously and without sourcing. For example, labeling tritagonists of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.Trivialist (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Still your removals on JoJolion kinda broke things (as you removed references to earlier editions).—Ryulong (琉竜) 14:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I'll be more careful in the future. Trivialist (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Jewelpet falls to that too. That shouldn't be removed also.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey There

There is currently a discussion regarding the lead paragraph on the talk page of Sony Pictures Entertainment. As a previous editor of this article your input would be appreciated. Regards. MisterShiney 08:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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franklin episodes page

trivia,could you help me with the Franklin episodes page, the air dates are incorrect, there were six seasons of the show and we need plots!81.135.85.247 (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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I renamed Where Are Your Keys? back to "Where Are Your Keys?". See the Talk page as to why, and let us know if you disagree. Thanks!

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Speedy deletion declined: Talk:The Walking Dead (season 4)

Hello Trivialist. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Talk:The Walking Dead (season 4), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: An article that was created on a Talk page instead of an article page. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Questions of courtesy and protocol

Hello, Trivialist.

I asked a question here almost 4 days ago, but there's been a stony silence so far.

I wonder if you, as the instigator of the deletion in question, can say something about my concerns.

Thank you. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect According to Wikipedia. Since you had some involvement with the According to Wikipedia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Peter James (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Greetings! After conducting a thorough investigation and determining that neither Parental Guidance (film), nor Parental Guidance (song), nor Parental Guidance (TV series) is known by the name, Rated PG, I have reverted your redirect of PG rating to the disambiguation page for these media. The only article listed on the page for which that phrase can be used is Motion picture rating system, so I have restored the redirect to that page. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: RZA

Hello Trivialist. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of RZA, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not an uncontroversial move, use requested moves instead. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to make you aware of this discussion I started at Winter storm naming. I have no intentions of making any changes to the article myself, but was just hoping to get input from editors previously involved in the article (or recently-closed AfD) in an effort to improve the article and clarify its purpose. I will leave any changes to the consensus of other editors who decide what's best. Your participation would be welcome, regardless of your views on the issue. Thank you. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I've twice restored Category:Internet culture and Category:Internet art to this article, as Mute is a magazine about internet culture and internet art. If you still think there is some reason to remove them, explain why on the talk page. Don't perform a third unexplained removal. — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a good solution. Best, — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Disney Vault Help

The source I used for Mulan to show that is moratorium as I pointed out here they are both following the "vaulting" traditions of those that get moratorium by Disney. So I am worried that it maybe an issue. 184.58.22.86 (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Internet culture

Hi Trivialist, I noticed that you've been removing "Category:Internet culture" from a large number of articles and I was wondering if this was a personal decision or if it was pursuant to consensus developed through discussion. I'm also curious what the criteria are. Why are you removing it from some articles and not others? -Thibbs (talk) 03:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Disney Vault

As a contributor to the page, and a reliable editor, I wonder if you'd have anything to add to this discussion. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Who Framed Roger Rabbit#RfC: Is mentioning every speaking character actor in the cast section relevant?

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Who Framed Roger Rabbit#RfC: Is mentioning every speaking character actor in the cast section relevant?. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Five-Timers Club

For some reason you keep deleting my addition to the page. This is important information. The names I added are the only 6 people that can become Five-Timers at this point. Anyone reading the page would be curious to know who might be next. These 6 people have all hosted four times. I cited a webpage that was previously sourced to this page as proof.

Why would adding this information have some objection? It is all facts that tie directly to the page it is on. SNL host fan (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

SNL host fan, I posted this on your talk page, but I'll put it here since you have started a discussion on this page. Please stop adding content about four-timers. Multiple editors have objected to its inclusion and you have been asked to discuss it on the talk page and try to get consensus. Also, even if consensus were to include the content, the heading "Future Five Timers" is inappropriate because there's no way to know if any of them will ever host again. Btw, the source you're using (snl.jt.org/guest) is not reliable and cannot be used. Interestingly, someone started a talk page thread about that source last year. But the problem is not about sourcing or speculation, as you think. It is simply about whether the content is worthy of inclusion in the article. You will need to get consensus on the article's talk page, so please stop continually adding the contact after other editors have objected to it. So far, you are using your account for one purpose only and it is starting to become a problem. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 02:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Btw, there was a discussion between two editors about this on the article's talk page in November. Perhaps there are enough editors who will agree that four-timers should be included; those who think it would be interesting and important enough to know who's one show away from making the list. But again, you need to get consensus for that. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 02:41, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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On the removal of categories from redirects

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I restored your removal of a valid category Category:Noise reduction from redirect Telefunken telcom c4. Some people seem to assume that categories and inter-wiki links were not allowed on redirect pages, while in fact they are and we should categorize redirects much more than we do at present (where it makes sense, of course). A common example are the various R template categories, but categories on redirect pages are also needed to make an article show up in the same or different category listing(s) under different subject titles (so that readers find it under the name they look for). Telefunken telcom c4 is a perfect example for this.

I haven't checked your other recent edits, but if you removed categories from other similar redirects as well, please restore them yourself. They serve a purpose. Greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Your removal of "the late" from numerous articles

Would you care to explain how "the late" is an honorific? It's not a style with regards to manner of address nor is it a title for a person. It's standard convention in English to reference a deceased person X as "the late" X (as you well know by the all the articles you have unilaterally removed "the late" from) but that doesn't make it an honorific by any definition I know of.

Furthermore, let's say you're right, MOS:HONORIFIC says "Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for "Father Coughlin" (currently at Charles Coughlin) and Mother Teresa." The late is very commonly attached to the names of the deceases, again as you well know from all the instances from which you removed it from. As it is standard convention, English reliable sources do indeed prefix the names of the deceased with "the late" and as such MOS:HONORIFIC doesn't apply here. Transcendence (talk) 04:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

You can't make that judgment call to say that it's an "effective" honorific. It either is or isn't. I don't know of any convention or standard or even any professional writer that restricts usage of "the late" to only those they have positive feelings for.
You doubt people would use it with Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong-Il? You're wrong, here are some examples:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/hunt-for-saddam-s-deputy-begins-1.1502606
http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2013/04/10/live-updates-from-the-gop-senate-debate/VIz89fpjXvayXdzeWqEKIK/story.html
dailynews.co.tz/index.php/columnists/columnists/lawi-joel/15974-dar-s-3-eyed-clock-tower-mother-of-all-liars
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3589699/The-war-That-was-all-over-two-weeks-ago.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377443,00.html
http://www.nknews.org/2013/04/kim-jong-ils-grandson-missing-in-bosnia/
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103158,00.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/27/world/la-fg-korea-kim-funeral-20111228
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/116_101869.html
As you can see, it's standard convention. The exception from MOS:HONORIFIC applies here, not that I'm saying it is an honorific, I maintain it isn't. But from your point of view it is, so with regards to your argument, the exception applies. I don't know what you're talking about when you say it's to express positive feelings. Whether or not all the deceases should have their names appended with this is irrelevant to the issue of you removing "the late" from the articles that you already have.Transcendence (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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The Fairly Oddaprents International Brodcasting

Es-tu fou?! vous ne pouvez pas rediriger List of TV Networks airing The Fairly OddParents à The Fairly Oddparents! I speak English and French. So you may wanan translate it. 99.229.41.79 (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Are you British?

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Understand what he's saying, are you a British Man and a Londoner?! 99.229.41.79 (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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AIV report re 99.229.41.79

How do, fellow UK res: In case you care to weigh in on wot this editor has done, I've filed an AIV report. Cheerio. It's a jolly 'oliday with Mary, innit? Go Spurs! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm realli' apologized fo that misunderstanding and fo wot I did wrong to him. 99.229.41.79 fo bad reasons (talk) 10:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

TV Broadcast sections

Hey Trivialist. Those "International broadcast" tables bug the crap out of me as well, but I'm not sure if just deleting them is the best answer. Whenever I come across them I just rewrite them to only include English-language broadcasts, sources (if any otherwise tag the section), and the dates (all as per MOS:TV. It takes a few minutes but isn't that difficult. Of course you are under no obligation to do that work it's just it would be nicer. Or even if you just leave me a message on my talk page when you delete them then I'll rewrite them when I get around to it. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Pretty bold edit

at Novelty song with no discussion first. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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I changed my mind and removed it.--TheMovieBuff (talk) 19:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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lower case for redirects

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Hi Trivialist. Thank you for your message and the information. I also appreciate that you thoughtfully reviewed my editing, leaving the changes you believed were appropriate, and removing the ones you believed were not.

I think "adult entertainment" in this context is a weasel word

"A weasel word may be an informal term[1] for equivocating words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim, or even a refutation has been communicated.

The use of weasel words to avoid making an outright assertion is a synonym to tergiversate.

tergiversation: The act of evading any clear course of action or speech, of being deliberately ambiguous

I think the term "adult entertainment" should be changed to sex trade or sex industry. The sex trade consists of businesses which either directly or indirectly provide sex-related products and services. The sex industry is the industry formed of commercial enterprises which employ sex workers. What they offer is called adult entertainment, as it comprises a number of forms of entertainment not considered suitable for children.[1] Therefore, adult entertainment is something offered by the sex industry. By saying that they are an adult entertainment company, they make it seem that the pornography is something offered by the adult entertainment industry. This is the opposite of what it really means. Furthermore, on wikipedia, searching adult entertainment redirects to the page sex industry.

However, if you think that adult entertainment and sex industry refer to different things, I suggest to write it like this: Manwin is a company that sells adult entertainment and that is part of the sex industry.

Concerning replacing the words porn by pornography, porn is considered an informal word for pornography [2] I think that being informal about a term like this is a way to make it look more acceptable. Also, what is the problem with using the formal word?

Thanks Trivialist for your work.

--173.179.223.70 (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Reverting possible Vandalism

Cut it out Already! All of your actions of perfecting the site are nothing more that pure vandalism! I will not tolerate this! DayKey (talk) 07:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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As a operation that tries to protect the bulk of the internet mail users from pointless spam they most likely suffer from some measure of attacks. Some of the attacks are probably email based to which end they seem to have resorted to removing meaningful contact information from thir web site and the public sphere. They are also mostly indifferent to the problems caused by false positive flagging of legitemite and conforming servers on their PBL lists when their policies conflict with those of other organisations like Rackspace, AWS at Amazon and others that are not prepared or able to manage their static IP address space more dilligently as demanded by Spamhaus.[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]

Idyllic press (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed the references are not displayed here, perhaps a missing reflist or something. I will add the sources to the talk page then and people can follow them there if they are interested. Idyllic press (talk) 13:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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O and you have spend lots more time removing these harmless links then it is worth, since you value it so lowly. --Spshu (talk) 22:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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Censorship vs interested editing of Wikipedia

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You reverted my edit to "Internet Censorship".

I think that there's a reasonable definition, something like: editing the public record, in order to suppress some correct piece of information.

What word do you think it should be attached to?

If that was being done to Wikipedia, where on Wikipedia do you think it should be documented?

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Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

I know that it is non-free, it says on an image page! All images in Who Framed Roger Rabbit article are non-free, they are fair use! Like the ones you just deleted from a bunch of articles without much thought that i tried to save... It takes time to upload an image or make a meaningful contribution, takes nothing to cut and claim afterward that you have scored! Best --Murus (talk) 02:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Non-free content can be used in articles only if:
  1. Its usage would be considered fair use in United States copyright law and also complies with the Non-free content criteria;
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  3. It has a valid rationale indicating why its usage would be considered fair use within Wikipedia policy and US law.

The article already has several non-free images. You can't add non-free images to articles just to "score." Trivialist (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I have read Non-free content before, thank you very much! By the way, all images that you deleted were marked as orphaned and I specifically mentioned it! Just a thought, it looks like you have appointed yourself a final arbitrator on how many fair-use images can be incorporated into articles? Regards --Murus (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Follow-up: All deleted images were marked:{{di-orphaned fair use}} and I sincerely believed that only a biased eye would not recognize that they belong from where they were deleted! Have a wonderful day! --Murus (talk) 04:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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