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Clarification request: Pseudoscience

Initiated by jps (talk) at 15:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Pseudoscience arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
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Statement by jps

I have never liked the fact that ArbCom included content rulings in WP:ARBPSCI, but we have, in the past, simply let this slide as it never seemed to be problematic. However, now it does seem to be problematic in a conversation I'm having about a proposed name-chase for a list: [1], [2].

I respect John Carter's position, and I think he has a point with regards to how Wikipedia tends to enforce jurisprudence in practice, but I also think I have a point that ArbCom is not supposed to make content decisions. There is no other way, in my opinion, that these principles can be interpreted except as content decisions.

The easiest thing would be for ArbCom to vacate the offending Principles as outside of ArbCom remit. Alternatively, a statement that these principles should not be used to trump discussion about content could be done.

jps (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Note that there is precedence for changing this part of the ruling: Wikipedia:ARBPSCI#Modified_by_motion. jps (talk) 18:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@User:Newyorkbrad: Glad you think so. Now, whenever I see comments like this, should I just refer them to your talkpage and you can hash it out with them? jps (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by John Carter

This rather dovetails with recent discussion at Talk:Intelligent design, which I asked @Adjwilley: to review and summarize. He summarized it in the following table

When an article's subject is generally considered to be pseudoscience in reliable sources... Example 1 Example 2
Must the word pseudoscience be used in describing the article's subject, or are alternate wordings acceptable? "<Subject> is pseudoscience" "<Subject> is rejected by mainstream scientists"
If the label pseudoscience is used, how prominent should it be? Does it need to be in the first sentence of the Lead, or should the first sentence be a general definition of the subject? "<Subject> is a pseudoscientific idea that <definition of subject>." "<Subject> is <definition of subject>...<Subject> is regarded as pseudoscience by mainstream scholars."
Should the assertion that a subject is pseudoscience be attributed, or can it be stated in Wikipedia's voice? "<Subject> is pseudoscience." "<Subject> is considered pseudoscience by a majority of scholars."

He went on to say, “I think the clause that needs clarification would be: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Generally_considered_pseudoscience. In my opinion, some good questions to ask the committee would be:

These suggestions were made here. As can be seen in the recent request for clarification regarding chiropractic, I personally have had no reservations about wikipedia using the word, and it was only after a comment by NYB that I saw "pseud-" words are specifically included in WP:WTW. I do believe it would be very useful for this to be addressed. Also, with the possibly annoying (to you arbs anyway) regularity that this particular decision gets brought up here and elsewhere, maybe it might be useful to ask for some guidelines specific to pseudoscience be prepared.

Other points perhaps worth addressing are how to, if at all, differentiate between philosophical hypotheses and the generally woo theories based on them, and maybe specific indications as to how this might be relevant to the social sciences. John Carter (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Re iantresman's comments below, Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism/Encyclopedic articles lists the articles and named subarticles in the encycopedic parts of two encyclopedias of pseudoscience. John Carter (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@NYB and arbs: should the questions of the use of the word "pseudoscience" in the title and lead as per WP:WTW and other matters be raised separately, or are the existing two current requests regarding that single decision here perhaps enough page area regarding that decision? Both matters seem to me anyway to relate to the unmodified use of the word pseudoscience itself. John Carter (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by iantresman

The problem as I see it, is as follows:

  1. Because of the Demarcation problem, there is no "obvious" pseudoscience.
  2. Yet Wikipedia gives the impression that there are gifted editors who are able to make this judgement using WP:SYNTH and a handful of often dubious sources (rarely peer reviewed).
  3. Wikipedia sets a high bar for contentious material, requiring several SECONDARY sources. Yet we readily label subjects as "Pseudophysics", and even as "fringe", when there are ZERO sources that may describe a subject as such, contrary to the requirement that the "Categorization of articles must be verifiable"
  4. Even where we have additional sources, eg. Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience, editors cherry pick those subjects to fit their own agendas[3], and exclude subjects that are "inconvenient".
  5. In reality, in the outside world, individuals have their own opinions and reasons why they consider a subject to be pseudoscience. In general, mainstream science does not, and leaves the matter to the philosophers of science.
  6. Statements such as "<Subject> is considered pseudoscience by a majority of scholars" is untestable, unverifiable nonsense, pretending to be science. Where have we heard that description before?
  7. For the record, I have no problems attributing a description of a subject as pseudoscience, but consider the general label to be wholly inappropriate as it generally fails WP:V and WP:RS.

--Iantresman (talk) 16:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • @John Carter. Thanks, I don't recall seeing that page and list before. --Iantresman (talk) 18:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @Second Quantization. I have no problem with classic examples of pseudoscience, such as astrology, where there are books and a preponderance of quality secondary sources. My issue with the more modern examples, where editors take a handful of primary sources, often from personal blogs, and judge for themselves (ie. WP:SYNTH) that they feel that a subject meets certain criteria, and that the editors decide that this means that a subject is considered pseudoscience. And then based on a dearth of sources, they write that "mainstream science considers...", or "the majority of academics consider..." where no such consensus is verified in reliable sources. Hence we should not be claiming that a list of subjects are considered pseudoscience, just because you and I may think that a subject meets some vague and subjective criteria. Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't do it, and no science dictionaries do it. That Wikipedia does it uniquely, raises red flags. --Iantresman (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @dave souza. Thanks for that. This seems that Arbcom have made an extraordinary content decision: that despite the Demarcation problem, gifted editors can somehow clearly identify articles as "Obvious" or "Generally considered" pseudoscience .. "without more justification". Does this imply that uniquely, and contrary to Wikipedia core policies, editors do not need to meet the exacting standards of WP:V and WP:RS, when such contentiousness suggests that we should be using WP:V and WP:RS far more carefully? The Demarcation problem is a philosophy of science issue, not an excuse to subjectively label subjects under the guise of science. --Iantresman (talk) 11:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @dave souza. Yes I'm well aware of WP:ARB/PS (I started the case), and its "Appropriate sources". But the principles "Obvious pseudoscience", and "Generally considered pseudoscience", and "Questionable science", all seem to blur their requirements for WP:V / WP:RS, and how also how editors word their findings. eg. Articles which sources suggest would be "Questionable science" at best, and according to the description "generally should not be so characterized", are actually described as if mainstream science as described them as pseudoscience. This has been going on since I started with Wikipedia, and the reason I brought the original WP:ARB/PS case. --Iantresman (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Second Quantization

  • ArbCom made no content decisions that I can see nor have they set any policy. They have some principles that underlie their decision, but that is not a content decision. We are not obliged to follow, read or care about their principles they operated under. There is no reason any editor should pay one iota worth of attention to what is written there since it's not indicative of what editing policy we should operate under. Some editors under the misapprehension that arbcom dictates content policy put undue emphasis on the ideas of some arbitrators some time ago. So this is a non-issue; we are under no obligation with respect to that behavioural decision. Second Quantization (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Here is the specific text Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Policy_and_precedent: "The Committee does not rule on content". They can suggest ways of seeking remedies, but they can not provide remedies. This is policy, Second Quantization (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @Iantresman "Because of the Demarcation problem, there is no "obvious" pseudoscience." Demarcation is one of ongoing philosophical research but is an issue for the borderlands between science and non-science, not for the obvious cases. There are certain examples that meet most criteria of philosophers, and are recognised by the scientifically literate as obviously pseudoscience. Astrology, Time Cube etc are obviously pseudoscientific. Care to provide a specific example of point 4)? For 7), on the contrary, where I've seen it used it's generally well sourced. Second Quantization (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by dave souza

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience identified four groups, two of which could apply to intelligent design (ID):

From the outset, it was obvious to experts on science and science education that ID is not science, but creationist religious views relabelled as science. That said, it clearly had and to some extent still has a following outwith science, essentially among creationists or proponents of its predecessor creation science.
The scientific community, educators and philosophers of science have clearly shown that ID is a religious view presented as science and is not science, failing to meet the methods an standards of science. Several mainstream sources have specifically described ID as pseudoscience.

In talk page discussions there has been clear consensus that ID is pseudoscience, but continuing wrangling over wording in relation to sources determining that ID is not science without specifically using the word "pseudoscience". I therefore propose the following additional group:

  • 5. Non-science claimed to be science: Arguments or beliefs presented by proponents as science, such as intelligent design, but which are specifically described by the scientific community as not being science or as pseudoscience, may properly contain that information and may be categorized as pseudoscience.

Once a topic has been categorised as pseudoscience, the article should conform to WP:PSCI policy including "The pseudoscientific view should be clearly described as such. An explanation of how scientists have received pseudoscientific theories should be prominently included." This is policy. . . . dave souza, talk 21:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

John Carter draws attention to the point that "pseud-" words are specifically included in WP:WTW which is a guideline, not policy, and as it says at the top, is "a part of the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." Common sense clearly indicates that pseudoscience is a well established term, one which forms part of Wikipedia policy, and is a word which may be necessary in clearly describing a topic as pseudoscience.
The boxes included in John Carter's comment appear to invite Arbcom to set specific wording for articles, determining article content in a manner going beyond the WP:ARBPS decision and beyond policy. This prescriptive proposal is wholly inappropriate, and unnecessary given the clear policy. Obviously the best way to achieve the policy is a matter for article talk page discussion to achieve consensus. . dave souza, talk 21:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
@ Iantresman as of 11:31, 22 July 2014; perhaps you've not read Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience, or failed to recall the various principles listed including, for example, Appropriate sources. Obviously the various policies apply. . dave souza, talk 14:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by logos5557

I am uninvolved, practically; just came here to greet jps's (was known as scienceapologist previously) allusion to one of my comments. @QTxVi4bEMRbrNqOorWBV: I suppose you can safely refer confused ones to this. Logos5557 (talk) 12:36, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by {other user}

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Arbitrator views and discussion

  • The background principles adopted in this arbitration decision (which dates from 2006) do not govern how lists in mainspace are organized in 2014. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Clarification request: Infoboxes

Initiated by  Sandstein  at 13:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Infoboxes arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

Statement by Sandstein

Per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Pigsonthewing and infoboxes, "Pigsonthewing is indefinitely banned from adding, or discussing the addition or removal of, infoboxes."

At WP:AE#Pigsonthewing (permalink), administrators, including myself, disagree about whether this recent edit by Pigsonthewing violates this restriction. Pigsonthewing argues that they did not violate the restriction because they edited, rather than added, an infobox. I am not persuaded by this because the edit added an {{Infobox}} template that wasn't there before.

I ask the Committee to clarify whether or not that edit violated the previously mentioned sanction.  Sandstein  13:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrators, thanks for the clarifications. This settles the matter for me. I've communicated to Newyorkbrad that I think that the tone of his reply is not in keeping with his usual reputation for professionalism.  Sandstein  09:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment by Montanabw

This is really hair-splitting. Andy's first edit was here. No infobox. The article in question had a manually-created "infobox" made out of an image template that in terms of syntax, was this. Andy then took ONLY the existing parameters plus one very logical addition -and put them into a template here. In essence, he took an improperly formatted infobox and made it into a proper one. I really find it absurd that the someone wants to take this to a drama board. Criminy. Montanabw(talk) 18:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment by Boing!

Sandstein seems to be on his own on this one with his over-literal definition of what an infobox is - there's a clear consensus that Andy was simply fixing an existing badly-formed one. — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by {other user}

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Arbitrator views and discussion

  • "The mountains will be in labor, and a ridiculous mouse will be brought forth." This is not worth discussing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Roma locuta, causa soluta. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't know Greek or Latin, so I'll just say it in English: that wasn't adding an infobox. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Seems pretty clear that there was an infobox there. Just because it didn't use the infobox template doesn't mean it wasn't an infobox. WormTT(talk) 09:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree that this was not the addition of an infobox and did not breach the restriction. Still, I do see why that could at least be in question, so I don't find the request for clarification unreasonable in itself. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Clarification request: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun_control

Initiated by Gaijin42 (talk) at 15:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Case or decision affected

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Statement by Gaijin42

I am currently topic banned from Gun control per the ArbCom case above. Recently there has been two cases brought at ArbEnforcement resulting in two additional topic bans and warnings (including a boomerang topic ban for the filing party). During these cases I was explicitly mentioned at least twice, and implicitly mentioned several more. (As well as mentioning other affected users in the same boat as myself) (snips below). I did not comment due to my topic ban. However, it seems poor form to be discussing the actions and statements of those who cannot reply or clarify. For the current two cases, one is already closed, and the other appears that it will close shortly but in the future if a similar situation comes up, are topic banned editors allowed to reply on administrative boards where they are being discussed? I had asked some of the administrators at AE about this and Callanec replied that they could not grant an exception to the TB since it was applied by ArbCom.

  • "Removing the entire Background section and Legal challenges sections I added (which even now topic-banned Gaijin42 did not dispute) to the Federal Assault Weapons Ban page."
  • "The third link [30] is to a nearly 8-month-old ANI that nearly boomeranged [31] on the editor who brought it against me. (It is also another example of pro-gun editors - three of whom are now topic banned - talking about my behavior, without diffs.)"
  • "Perhaps one of the topic-banned pro-gun editors is harassing me." (An accusation, without evidence, against people who can't respond)
  • "My frustration right now reminds me of that I felt when I was a new editor to gun-control and in a "discussion" with about 10-12 experienced editors using jargon I'd never heard and referring to processes I knew nothing about."
  • " And the 1 (Gaijin42) who voted "complicated," and mentorship-else-ban is topic banned for Battleground conduct. Is it possible that I (1 new editor against numerous experienced) was the victim of battleground conduct at the article I brought up at ANI?"

Gaijin42 (talk) 15:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Sandstein

In my opinion as one of the admins active at WP:AE, the policy-level exceptions to topic bans described at WP:BANEX also apply to Committee-imposed topic bans. Therefore, a topic-banned user may make such statements as are required for "legitimate and necessary dispute resolution, that is, addressing a legitimate concern about the ban itself". In the context of enforcement requests, this means that they may briefly respond to direct accusations of misconduct against themselves, especially as concerns allegations of topic ban violations. However, in view of the purpose of a topic ban, they should be as brief as possible, or they risk being blocked if an administrator decides that the seventh reply in an angry back-and-forth of mutual recriminations is no longer part of legitimate and necessary dispute resolution.

Also, in order to help topic-banned editors respect their topic bans, administrators should suppress and, if needed, sanction allegations of misconduct against topic-banned editors if these allegations are not supported by useful evidence in the form of diffs (see WP:ASPERSIONS), or if the allegations are not helpful for resolving the problem at hand. This may often be the case because the topic ban will have made the allegations moot.  Sandstein  15:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by {other user}

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Arbitrator views and discussion

  • Sandstein's analysis is about right. Unless explicitly prohibited from doing so by the specific applicable t-ban, t-banned editors may respond briefly and circumspectly in DR fora to accusations directly concerning them. Indeed, doing so will often assist the process. They may not however use the door that has been partially opened to launch into sweeping and tangential counter-accusations against all and sundry. That said, there's probably not much more to add here.  Roger Davies talk 07:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I disagree in part; if an editor has been banned from a topic area, it means that his participation there has been so disruptive that it has been deemed necessary to expel him from it. The necessary conclusion is that all exceptions to limited bans need to be construed restrictively. For that, I interpret the "legitimate and necessary dispute resolution" exception to only apply when an editor's actions are being discussed and not when they are merely mentioned. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Salvio's analysis generally matches mine. Merely being mentioned should not allow for discussion, but it the editor is being actively discussed, I would expect them to be able to comment. WormTT(talk) 09:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I also largely agree with Salvio, and I think the discussion would need to be substantive, not just a mention in passing. I would add, however, that there would seldom be a good reason for other editors to bring a topic-banned user up in such a discussion, and it should generally be discouraged unless there really is good cause. A topic ban is not an excuse for other editors to take gratuitous jabs at someone while they're restricted from answering in return. (Not saying that happened in this case, mind, that's just a general statement of principle.) Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:40, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


Requests for enforcement


Gerda Arendt

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Gerda Arendt

User who is submitting this request for enforcement 
Nikkimaria (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) 11:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
User against whom enforcement is requested 
Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Gerda_Arendt_restricted : "Gerda Arendt is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction, and include infoboxes in new articles which they create."
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 
  1. 21 July User restores an infobox that had been deleted.
Additional comments by editor filing complaint 
  1. User has violated the restriction on multiple previous occasions without sanction - see for example Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Request_for_clarification_.28October_2013.29 this Clarification request in which several arbitrators commented that the user had breached the restriction
  2. Several times when confronted the user has claimed "I forgot" to justify the violation - see for example [5]
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested 


@Olive: I have reminded her, more than once; I've already given her a "final warning". Others have reminded her also. "Run[ning] over here" was not my first choice, but ultimately, Gerda needs to choose whether she will follow her restrictions or not. Per Panda, had any of her previous violations been reported she would already be blocked. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
@Black Kite, I brought two issues here because there were two issues, and this is the place we're to bring them. I gave both warning before doing so, but ultimately they got themselves in trouble - Gerda in particular has violated her sanction on multiple occasions, and really should have been brought here months ago. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Gerda Arendt

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Gerda Arendt

We are talking about this history. I am sorry, I forgot the part of not restoring, I don't look at my restrictions every day. I will not do it again, as long as I remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, several times I claimed "I forgot", because several times I forgot that I had not created an article. We are talking about articles from 2010, for example. Yes, I could have looked up the history, but I remembered my work on them so well that I failed to do it. I asked to apologize that already before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I forgot that I am restricted to not restore an infobox for the first time today. I confess that I got angry at the many reverts on that article (and others, such as Anna Kravtchenko), sorry for that as well. - I can't force you to believe me that I forgot that I didn't "create" Richard Adeney and others, but it is true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@Callanecc: Please distiguish: I forgot that I didn't "create" Richard Adeney (where I had added an infobox). I so far had nothing to do with José Carlos Cocarelli where I restored one, carried away by being angry about three unsubstantiated reverts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I looked up history. I added infoboxes to three articles I believed I "created" (in the strict sense of turning red link to blue) but didn't:

All three are DYK articles (I created more than 80& of the content), all three were reverted within a day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Belle

What good will blocking Gerda do? Belle (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@Sjakkalle:; I know what purpose the block is intended to serve, but do you think that it will do so? She got angry and let herself get dragged into Nikkimaria's and Montanabw's little spat; now she's getting her knuckles rapped and she's not going to edit war again, so there's no need to exclude her from the encyclopaedia where (as you say) she is normally productive. This block looks to me as if it would be purely punitive and I don't think that is the aim (actually, let's put that in caps; "THE AIM" [portentous music plays]; that's much better). Belle (talk) 16:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Montanabw

This is ridiculous. I added the original infobox for Jose Carlos Cocarelli, which was an abandoned stub about a young pianist. I added a grand total of 13 infoboxes to similar BLP stub and start-class articles that no one but bots and vandal patrollers had touched for a long time, including no edits by Nikki or Gerda. Nikkimaria, who appears to be stalking both my edits and Gerda's as a self-appointed cop, reverted ALL of them within about 24 hours with her usual non-specific edit summaries, adding "rv net negative." In most cases, she also added a subsequent edit of a bit of content. I carefully kept her additions but also restored the infoboxes. These were not opera articles, not composer articles, not composition articles. This is absolutely spot on proof of Nikkimaria's stalking edits of myself and Gerda for the express purpose of edit-warring over infoboxes and I am very disappointed that Nikki has resorted to "GOTCHA!" behavior to go after Gerda. Nikki is long overdue to be sanctioned for her WP:BAITing and stalking. Montanabw(talk) 16:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Olive

Wikipedia is not punitive.. An editor reacted against the battle ground behaviour of an admin who already has been admonished. Stalking is battle ground behaviour. Edit summaries which because of their lack of information (and Nikki has been asked repeatedly to explain her edits more carefully) do in fact mislead, and constitute battle ground behaviour. Did Nikki suggest to Gerda that she had made an error per her arbitration and ask her to revert the mistake or did she run over here to see if she could get a sanction? More battle ground mentality. What is the behaviour we expect in a collaborative community from an admin. Gerda is a prolific editor, (do all of us remember the articles we worked on years ago. I doubt it.) with an reputation for kindness and generosity. She explained her position honestly and apologized. At what point do we look deeper to see why such an editor might be upset. Why are we so quick to shoot first and look around later for behaviour that is hugely positive to this community, that indicates this is an editor who is honest, so we can AGF. (Littleolive oil (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2014 (UTC))

Statement by Boing

@Lord Roem: Don't you think you should give more of your fellow admins time to see this and offer their own opinions rather than deciding all by yourself? You know, that old consensus thing? — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Result concerning Gerda Arendt

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The request has merit. Because Gerda Arendt has previously violated the restriction multiple times and claimed to have forgotten it, as shown in the submitted evidence, I do not consider her statement that she forgot it again to be credible. To give preventative effect to the sanction, I believe that a block is now necessary. In view of her prior unsanctioned infractions, I also believe that the maximum block duration of one month is appropriate.  Sandstein  12:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

This is an unambiguous violation of their restriction. Saying "I forgot," especially at least a second time in a two-month period is both not persuasive and not helpful to their case. However, I disagree with Sandstein that a first block on someone's violation should take into consideration past times it was 'close' or that we didn't block. If we took no action in the past, we took no action in the past. Something like a week or two seems more appropriate. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 13:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree that unfortunately a block is necessary with this blatant violation with the hope that it will prevent further violations. In this case the page history fits on one page and it was during an edit war I don't accept that Gerda forgot that she didn't create the article. I'd rather a block of a maximum of 2 weeks though. While we're here I'd also warn Nikkimaria and Montanabw that their reverts on the article are pretty clearly edit warring and they should avoid continuing to revert users and discuss instead. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 13:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the admins above, this one is an unambiguous breach of the restriction. Responding to Belle, the point of enforcing the restriction is to deter edit warring over infoboxes. As for length, Gerda Arendt is usually a productive editor so I support some leniency, a week at most.Sjakkalle(Check!) 16:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Having reviewed the thoughtful comments by Black Kite, and further consideration of Gerda's conduct in comparison with that of Nikkimaria, I am shifting position to final warning. I noted in the section for Nikkimaria that it felt unfair to block Gerda while going with no action for Nikkimaria. I still think that a block in a sense would be policy compliant since restoring the infobox is a breach of the restriction's spirit and letter, but since there are extenuating circumstances and a promise to stop, I am OK with this being an orange tintet yellow card this time. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I guess I see this differently: to me, it's the "last warning" - no block as I don't recall seeing Gerda's face here at ArbEnf until now. The purpose of a block is not to punish, even when it relates to ArbEnforcement. So, we have confirmation from Gerda that this will not recur - which means a block would be punitive. Should there be a future repeat of the action, even with an "I forgot", I suggest we start the blocks then at 2 weeks and escalate from there the panda ɛˢˡ” 16:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • While I disagree with some of what Sandstein wrote above, his description of past issues regarding this same restriction is reason enough to believe this behavior may be repeated. Barring new information in the next few hours, I'm going to close this with a two-week block. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Totally agree with Montanabw and disappointed with some admins here who can't see the bigger picture. Not only should there be no block for Gerda here, but we should start looking at sanctions on User:Nikkimaria for bringing multiple issues here (see the PigsontheWing section) which indicate that they are stalking other editor's contributions whose POVs do not agree with their own, looking for the tiniest issue on which to block them. This is not what a colllaborative encyclopedia is about, and we can well do without "editors" whose raison d'etre is to get others into trouble. I'd suggest a topic ban on Nikkimaria for a period of time from bringing any infobox-related issue to this page (I'd actually suggest more, but I don't believe it would gain any traction). Black Kite (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I think you're right, re: your thoughts on Nikkimaria, and I wouldn't be opposed to such a sanction. Though, I don't believe we have that power at AE since there's no DS in this area. If something like that was brought up at AN/ANI, I'd support it. In terms of the request before us, it's clear they violated the restriction (likely more than once). Lord Roem ~ (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I believe that Gerda genuinely made a mistake and I would be very loath to "reward" this type of behaviour by Nikkimaria. Therefore, I would close this as a final warning. Black Kite (talk) 18:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • We're dealing with Nikkimaria's issues in the request below; that doesn't change that we have this before us. This is at least the second violation of the editor's restriction. My concern is that failing to enforce it in such an instance, due to an excuse that is flimsy at best (considering they were reminded in early June), risks undercutting the remedies ArbCom put in place. If there's good cause to believe the editor doesn't deserve the restriction as-worded, then a request for amendment can be filed. But until that takes place, I think giving a third chance to an editor sanctioned by the Arbitration Committee and reminded of their restriction within the last 50 days is inappropriate. I'm open to being persuaded otherwise, but I don't think pointing to Nikkimaria is sufficient. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Considering Gerda has created 450 pages, plus expanded innumerable DYK's (over 500), completed significant work on many FA and GA articles, I'm quite unsurprised she made a couple of mistakes like this. Dreadstar 21:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I am with Montanabw and Black Kite. Anybody can make a mistake, even the same mistake more than once. I am inclined to believe that she will not repeat this mistake again. I have not examined Nikkimaria's edits in detail but it may be that this editor needs some intervention if they are indeed stalking the work of others. A block on Gerda achieves nothing. Please don't. --John (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Per John and Black Kite, I too think these were genuine mistakes by Gerda, and believe a final warning is appropriate instead of a block. A block achieves nothing. Regarding Nikkimaria, having just started looking at the editing patterns (edit warring and stalking in particular), I also agree that Nikkimaria needs intervention; with a possibility of an AN/I case or an RFC/U. Dreadstar 20:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Per my comment above, almost a thousand pages created or significantly expanded for DYK by Gerda, I'd think a few mistakes is certainly understandable. Dreadstar 21:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @Nikkimaria per the above, editors don't give 'final warnings' regarding blocks or other enforcement actions to editors they're in conflict with. That's not the kind of 'final warning' I'm talking about, and I highly doubt it's the final warning others are talking about here either. Dreadstar 22:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
  • While I believe the editor did clearly violate their restriction, I'd be okay with closing this with a warning, iff we're agreed that there should be no "I forgot" excuses in the future. This request itself should be sufficient notice (if the Arb case wasn't enough) of the extent of that editing restriction. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)



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Request concerning Ezzex

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Gaijin42 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) 18:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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Ezzex (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 
  1. [19] POV/Vandal
  2. [20] POV/Vandal
  3. [21] Restoring POV/Vandal
  4. [22] Removal of content contrary to editor's POV

Ezzex recently made an ANI post where previous behavior was an issue

  1. [23] more POV
  2. [24] Personal attacks

And a previous ANI against Ezzex which ended with a firm warning from Go_Phightins! for soapboxing. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex

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Obvious case of WP:NOTHERE could notmally be cleaned up fairly easily, but 1RR and applied DS puts at risk of edit warring since this is not over vandalism.

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Gaijin42 ! you have been blocked 3 times in 1 year. Is this some sort of revenge?? --Ezzex (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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This looks to be POV-pushing in article space. I recommend a topic ban. The pattern is consistent with a 12 July ANI thread, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex, where Ezzex was warned for calling Wikipedia a 'tool of Israel' and for referring to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers as 'just killings on occupied land.' EdJohnston (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)