User talk:Cambalachero/Archive 1

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meco (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

File categorization

I'm not so sure what you meant here. Maybe we're talking about different things? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

NPOV does not require we represent all viewpoints but rather that we give equal weight to the representation of views in the literature. The vast majority of the literature regards him as a dictator. Further per WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE we do not necessarily have to represent minority viewpoints such as the ones you espoused. Regards, Justin talk 16:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Clarin a reliable objective source? Pardon me but I disagree. BTW notorious? I think you meant noted, or at least I hope you do. Again the current literature characterises Rosas as a dictator, the revisionist historians you refer to do not represent the mainstream opinion. Regards. Justin talk 20:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Wikipedia:CofC

Hello MBelgrano, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Wikipedia:CofC - a page you tagged - because: not a valid reason. If a experienced user (like a crat) creates such a redirect, there is some reason to assume that it's plausible. Use WP:RFD. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. SoWhy 15:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Wikipedia talk:Code of conduct

Hello MBelgrano, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Wikipedia talk:Code of conduct - a page you tagged - because: not a valid reason. Use WP:MFD. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. SoWhy 15:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Rugby tours

You have tagged France and British Lions tours as "not notable". Since these are amongst the most important rugby teams in the world, and rugby is one of the biggest sports internationally, I have removed these tags.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for classifying "weaponry" articles!

Hi, I've noticed that you've added classification for several "weaponry" articles in scope of WP Argentina. Thanks for that.
I'd have done that myself, but was unsure of which classification that wikiproject uses, please point me in the right direction.
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, and for doing a bit of "housekeeping" in this WP. Anything I can help (seee interests in my user page) just let me know.
Cheers, DPdH (talk) 05:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Commons admin

Are you an admin on Commons? Your userbox doesn't seem to think so [1]. Ryan4314 (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Joaquín del Pino y Rozas

A tag has been placed on Joaquín del Pino y Rozas requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Spelling

Hi MBelgrano,

I know you want to improve your English, so I hope you won't think I'm being rude with this comment. You keep typing "languajes", but the correct spelling is "languages". Kudos for contributing in a foreign language, though. AlmostReadytoFly (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Religion + beginning of the world

Essentially, your question evokes a certain innocence in the reader's perception of the questioner, and so, I will attempt to answer you in kind. Those religions which are divine in origin will not have to contrive a response, those that are man-made will -- and I say that omnisciently, not to be derisive of one religion or another. The fact that someone devised a "religion" many years ago without information about the future means that, intrinsically, compromises and absurd contrivances will be necessarily generated by the clergy and their writings to respond to such challenges. A religion of divine origin will not be plagued by inconsistencies, because such a religion is of the same source as science. This is, of course, assuming that there is a God who has made his will known to at least some humans to at least some extent.

In the hopes of keeping this NPOV, I will make no derisive mention of any religion -- I will speak only about the religion to which I adhere and to which I claim is of divine origin: Judaism. Judaism, claiming to be of completely divine origin, either directly or indirectly (in that those who propogate the religion are said to have mandates of Heaven), poses no contradictions with any science. Any previously asserted claims that have since been proven incorrect by science were no more Jewish than they were just claims of the time -- so, for example, when the Talmud makes mention of various medical treatments such as bloodletting, it was the view of the scientists of the time that bloodletting was beneficial, and the Jewish scholars and sages of the time were merely parroting those assertions. Creation, evolution, natural selection and God's direction and supervision of these and many other aspects of the natural world are all supported by Judaism with no contrivance and no inconsistency. This is something you will likely not find on the talk page. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 22:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Hands of Perón

I thank you for your clarification of the idea of the cult on the talk page of Hands of Perón. I'm wondering, though, if the perception of Perón as a cult figure in a religious sense may have varied depending on class. I ask because after editing that article to be compliant, I mentioned it to one of my neighbours who, it turns out, grew up in Argentina - her family was very poor, and she remembers that they did regard Perón in a religious manner. His photo was on the wall beside Eva's and they actually prayed for his intercession when times were tough. She said this was quite normal back then in their community. She left Argentina in the early 1980s but returned recently and Eva's photo is still there on her parents' wall, but Juan's is long gone.

Now this is not the kind of stuff that can go into the article because it's original research, but it did leave me with the strong impression that Perón was much more than just a political leader to at least some Argentinians. You're the one living there, though, so of course I would bow to your knowledge. --NellieBly (talk) 08:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Now that I'm at your talk page

I've copyedited the article for Joaquín del Pino, but there are some things I couldn't understand. My main questions are:

1. He joined a regiment in Oran. Which Oran is this? One in Spain, or the well-known city in Algeria?
2. What does the "shrink" mean in "Maria Ignacia shrink Rameri"?
3. "to replace the foreign ships, which prohibited land, temporarily ending the export of raw hides common to that time" What does "prohibited land" mean? I think the article is trying to say that del Pino opened a shipyard because there weren't enough ships around to expand the trade in raw hides, but I'm not sure.
4. Who designed the convent church in San Lorenzo? Bautista or del Pino?
5. The article says that del Pino appointed Antonio Amar as his successor, but our article on the viceroyalty says it was José Fernando Abascal y Sousa, Marquess of Concordia.
6. The war between Spain and Portugal in 1801 is called the War of the Oranges in English. Is this the war del Pino tried to use as an excuse for his incursion? Who claimed the territory he invaded, anyway? Paraguay?
7. I've changed "America" to either "South America" or "the Americas", since "America" in English is usually taken to mean "the United States". Is that a problem?

If you see any other problems, please bring them up. My suggested copyedit:

Joaquín del Pino Sánchez de Rojas Romero y Negrete (Baena (Córdoba), January 20 1729 - Buenos Aires, April 11 1804) was a Spanish military engineer and politician who held various positions in the South American colonial administration. As Viceroy of the Río de la Plata, he was the head of state of what is now Argentina.

Biography

At age 18, del Pino enlisted as a cadet in a regiment located in Oran. He studied mathematics and in February of 1752 he was transferred to the Corps of Engineers. He conducted a survey of the area around Ampurdán in order to better map fortifications and roads. In 1753 he was put in charge of the fortifications of the castle of Montjuïc in Barcelona. He remained at Montjuïc until 1760 and was promoted to captain in 1762, and assisted in the repairs of the shore batteries of Castile in the war with Portugal. The following year he married Maria Ignacia Rameri from San Sebastian. In 1769 he returned to cartographic work, working with the French to create military maps of Aldudes, between Navarre and France. Promoted to lieutenant colonel in 1770, he was sent to Montevideo at the request of Juan Jose de Vertiz y Salcedo in 1771 to repair the ramparts of the citadel. He remained in the Americas until his death.

Del Pino held numerous positions in the Americas. He was governor of Montevideo from 1773 to 1790, president of the Audiencia of Chile between 1790 and 1795, and president of the Audiencia of Charcas from 1795 to 1799. He was then entrusted with the Government of Chile, serving from 1799 to 1801. In the latter year, by a certificate issued on 14 July 1800 in Madrid, he was appointed viceroy of the Río de la Plata, assuming the office on 20 May.

He was considered an enlightened ruler who carried out numerous public works, including expansion of the port of Buenos Aires and construction of the Buenos Aires Recova, which was entrusted to Juan Bautista Sigismund, who also designed the convent church in San Lorenzo. His administration promoted the construction of brick kilns and the building of shipyards in Corrientes and Assumption. Del Pino also put restrictions on the movement of foreigners as a check against the establishment of republican ideas engendered by the French Revolution, and closed the first newspaper published in Buenos Aires, The Telegraph Commercial (1801).

In 1801 del Pino appointed Santiago de Liniers as governor of Misiones Province. He also tried to take advantage of the War of the Oranges to regain the Seven Peoples Missions East area, but he failed to provide the necessary supplies. This led to his removal from office on July 6, 1802; he named Antonio Amar as his successor, but the transfer of power did not take place.

Del Pino fell ill in April 1804 and died ten days later at the age of 70; he was succeeded by Rafael de Sobremonte. A few years later his daughter Juana del Pino was married to Bernardino Rivadavia, the future president of Argentina.

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Let me know what you think. --NellieBly (talk) 09:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Crossing of the Andes

At the time of this event, the current national flag had not been invented. In battle pages, we commonly use the flag that was contemporaneous.

Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran let it off your chest 20:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing my concern and also for teaching me new information. Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran let it off your chest 02:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Argentine air forces in the Falklands War‎

No entiendo cual es tu problema, estuve 2 años discutiendo y consensuando esa intro --Jor70 (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Got 'im

Thanks for alerting me to our little Ghostbusters fan. I just blocked both accounts and salted the title. Why people do stuff like that is just beyond me. Sigh... --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Slagathor

Thanks for reverting, this seems to be a repeated theme so I've opened up an AN/I thread. I presume you would like to comment. Justin talk 17:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

On May Revolution article

Compatriota, no quise asumir anteriormente la responsabilidad de evaluar el artículo sobre la Revolución de Mayo dado que no tengo el tiempo para dedicarle la atención que merece (mientras mantengo "on-hold" a tutti quanti, si no entendí mal el procedimiento), y tampoco estoy en condiciones de dedicarme ahora mismo.

Ahora bien, si hay algo que ya se me había ocurrido desde que ví el pedido de evaluación (además de los detalles lingüísticos) es el tema de el largo del artículo.

¿No será mejor dividirlo en segmentos, tal vez, y dejar resúmenes más breves de las distintas secciones?

Saludos, --IANVS (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

(Dejame decirte que admiro tu dedicación y profesionalismo en lo que hace a esta serie de artículos, por cierto)

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Imaginaba que la mano venía por el bicentenario (y eso me da mas ganas de ayudar con lo que esté a mi alcance). En fin, iré viendo por dónde puedo meterle alguna mano (algo que no sea fundamentalmente de repaso lingüístico que, aunque soy muy audaz con el inglés, lo mío es sólo eso y no me confío tampoco demasiado de mi intuición :P).

Ahora, en cuanto al largo del artículo te lo decía precisamente por el tema de los criterios de evaluación para GA y FA. ¡Ojo que el peso excesivo (y este se pasa varias veces del límite recomend) está repetidamente desaconsejado, y definitivamente es causal de descalificación para las categorías más altas. La sugerencia en el manual de estilo, que no me parece del todo mal, es resumir lo que se pueda desarrollar en subartículos (particularmente creo que la Semana de Mayo y el excelente trabajo sobre las causas internas y externas de la revolución pueden resumirse).

¡Ojo que no te falle la nominación por exceso de trabajo! ¿Conocés algún admin o veterano de aquí que pueda hacer recomendaciones en ese sentido? Quizá no estaría de más consultar sobre el formato más apropiado para las calificación.

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Ví que falló la nominación por cuestiones de lenguaje ¿para cuándo puede presentarse una nueva candidatura? Me pongo a darte una mano para entonces. Saludos, --IANVS

Máscara de Fernando VII

Pensando sobre lo que te decía ayer, se me ocurre que podría ayudar iniciando la traducción de este artículo de la wikipedia en español ¿te parecería bien?

Por cierto, ¿Te importaría si lo llamamos "Allegiance to Ferdinand VII masquerade" (ver [Masquerade Definición .3] vs. [Mask Def .2] - La primera se refiere a una actividad de disimulo, la segunda más bien a un objeto, si no estoy equivocado.

Saludos, --IANVS (talk) 23:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Spanish_Empire#Patagonian_stablishments

Maybe you are interested or have something to contribute on this discussion topic. Saludos. --IANVS (talk) 01:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

May Revolution

As said, I'm waiting for a second opinion. The prose is awful (I appreciate you're not a native english-speaker) and I don't have the time or energy to work through the entire thing with the workload I've got at the moment. Ironholds (talk) 13:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I have failed this GAN due to the prose quality. I would recommend Wikipedia:Peer Review as your next step. Ironholds (talk) 10:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Defamation of fringe topics

Hello,

I find this topic rather interesting as we agree it is important that Wikipedia itself does not become the validating source for non-significant subjects. This should apply either way don't you think? I've posted a blurp on the talk page if you want to debate. It seems to me judging things has become the rule rather than the exception.

Regards,

84.104.135.141 (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

May Revolution redux

Hi "Manuel,"

I saw your efforts to get the May Revolution article accepted for good article status. It is a very long article and will take a while to rework, but I offer you here on my talk page a potential draft of the opening with comments hidden in the mark-up text. I've tried to stay true to your intentions, and consulted the original Spanish-language article which seems to have served as the basis, while trying to aim it to an average English-language reader who might not have much background in Latin American history. If you accept, I can take stabs at bits of the article from time to time. (I think you were aiming to have it ready for the bicentenary of the May Revolution this year.)

A few other suggestions, if I may, for the rest of the text. I would try to keep the Wikilinks to a minimum. I do agree with the suggestion that too much blue text is distracting, although, this is not always possible with a topic like this, which may be greatly unknown to many readers. With that in mind I would question whether every linked article in the Spanish version needs to be recreated in English. For example, do we really need a separate article for the "Syllogism of Chuquisaca," the "Bayonne Abdications" and for every historian mentioned in the article? Couldn't the Syllogism be perfectly well explained in the text and in the Bolivian War of Independence and the Chuquisaca Revolution articles? (Charles W. Arnade, whose book I consulted for the former article, gives a good summary of it in about two pages.) I would try to keep these tangental articles to a minimum, because unless they are going to be fully developed, stubs are just distracting for the reader and don't provide additional knowledge.

The other thing I suggest is that the English-language literature on the independence of Argentina needs to be consulted. This is not my specialty, so I'm not too familiar with it, but I do know that the English-language encyclopedia article should reference it and summarize the state of the English-language scholarship, while bringing in the Spanish-language (or any other) scholarship, where needed. I don't know where you are editing from, so I don't know how difficult this would be. It's also useful to figure out how historians talk about these events in English, when they keep terms in Spanish and when they translate, for example. Wikipedia, I've noticed, seems to breed neologisms a lot, something which I feel an encyclopedia should not do. Well, let me know. Cordialmente, TriniMuñoz (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Barnstar of National Merit for work on Argentina-related articles.

For your continuous good work. -- Alexf^(talk) 13:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Argentina Portal

I know you are doing good work on Argentina-related articles. I'd like to talk about the lack of Argentina editors. We used to have many and they have faded years ago. I'd like to remind people to become a member of WikiProject Argentina and contribute there to coordinate efforts. Also to remind people to add your contributions to the Argentina-related regional notice board so we can all be informed of new pages or major article rebuilds. Now, to get to the main point of this message. Years ago the Argentina Portal was neglected for lack of maintainers. I became the de-facto main (and sole) editor in 2008 and have been adding news and contributions to the article/image of the month features ever since. I requested some collaboration at the time but nobody came forward. That is fine. I am not asking for contributions and I plan to keep on maintaining the site. I feel it is important to show a good image of Argentina to the en.WP community and to the English-speaking world at large. Hence the interest in having a good-looking, properly maintained portal. What I am asking for is a second set of eyes to look at it, comment and criticize, and to suggest good articles/images for the monthly feature. I know we are all busy with our own projects in Wikipedia. I am not asking for edits, just for suggestions when you come across a good article or image. Let me know by Talk message or email, and I will do the work of posting it (hint: I post article/image of the month way in advance to ease the load). I would like to get the Argentina Portal to Featured Portal status, but it is not easy to do without some help. At least C&C. Thank you for your attention and sorry for the long-winded message. -- Alexf^(talk) 13:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Platine War GA review

You have turned down the possibility of making the article Platine War a good one without even giving a chance for all the editors who have worked hard in it to give any kind of comment. That was an unfair move of your part.

First you tried to make Rosas, who is and was considered a dictator, a simple governor when reality was quite different. Fidel Castro and his brother Raul are officialy "Presidents" of Cuba but no one doubt that they are dictators. Second, in your review, as I pointed out before, you gave no chance for any of us to try to improve the article or change whatever was wrong. Of course, it is more than clear that you, as an Argentine, did not like the article itself for your own reasons and not because you saw true issues as an impartial reviewer. It is true that we must believe that everyone in here are acting on good faith but you behavior was clearly unfair and wrong. --Lecen (talk) 05:45, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Antartida

I know you are already busy with your own projects but when you have a little time to spare, would be great if we can join and improve these a little. I already rewritten (and create a map) for Belgrano II Base. Direccion del Antartico is not even created yet !. --Jor70 (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Family of Manuel Belgrano

A tag has been placed on Family of Manuel Belgrano requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

US interference in Argentina

I've reverted your removal from the Argentina talk page. There is at least the possibility of this to be true to some extent - for starters the CIA have admitted to interfering before the 1973 coup in Chile and they've also interfered in Cuba. Obviously fully reliable sources would need to be found. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair use image

Good catch on the movie poster. Thanks for seeing that (I had missed the issue). -- Alexf^(talk) 23:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:TPG

Per WP:TPG do not refactor anyone's talk page comments unless they are obvious vandalism. And I don't see anything remotely aggressive about my comments. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 12:58, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The comment hasn't been edited but removed, I haven't made it seem as if you said something you didn't say. Talking about a "silly season" is entirely your own action, and even more if you restore it after learning that other users find it aggresive. By the way, such post fails Wikipedia:Canvassing, as it is a biased message (it disregards other users as "silly", and presents a historical topic as a "work of fiction", preparing readers to be against it), and perhaps it's votestacking as well (you noticed the islander group group, but not the Wikiproject Argentina) MBelgrano (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

No I present the article as a work of fiction which it is, if you feel that I'm vote stacking or canvassing then go ahead and report me to WP:ANI. Before you do, please review WP:FRINGE and WP:DUE and when you do, be sure to mention you removed my talk page post and assumed bad faith as I didn't make a post in a group which I'm not a member of, when there is nothing to stop you doing so yourself. You have a nice day now. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 13:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

To treat other editors as "silly" is not acceptable, regardless of good or bad faith in the comment. Would you like it if someone else calls you "silly", or some broad group of users including you? No, right? But I don't think it's needed to report anything, simply rewrite the post using more friendly words and that's it. Don't make a mountain from an ant hill either MBelgrano (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Silly season and its mountain out of a mole hill. There is nothing unfriendly in what I wrote, so assume a little good faith and ask for an explanation before ascribing bad faith. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 15:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The problem remains the same, the mere existence of a "silly season" in some countries does not mean that treating a specific news or event as part of it isn't derogatory, specially when you don't talk a far and remote media star but about someone you are interacting with. You surely wouldn't like it either if I described any action you may be involved in as "La era de la boludez", and if such a thing happens, you wouldn't accept a link to the album by Divididos as an explanation of what was meant by that.

Even more, I remind you that that "season" is, at least under that name, a local phenomenon from some countries, and it doesn't exist in Argentina, so it's to be expected that users from Argentina may react to the mere words themselves. In any case, if you are really acting in good faith and didn't pretend to insult anyone, you can simply remove that part of the comment, which isn't even related to the main topic you wanted to adress (point out the existence of an AFD). Just that, and everything would end there. It's hard to asume good faith when, after finding out that at least 2 users do not like the comment (including a member of that project), you insist in keeping it anyway.

By the way, if you are no longer a member of that group, you should remove yourself from the list MBelgrano (talk) 16:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for causes of the May Revolution

On March 30, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article causes of the May Revolution, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Artículo sobre Perón

Please look at the recent changes in the section Perón and Fascism. I'm sure you are more capable of addressing the subject than me. Here the Page History]. Cualquier cosa, me decís. Saludos, --IANVS (talk) 02:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Eva Peron article

Thank you for taking care of the Eva Peron article. Andrew Olivo Parodi (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Chilean battles...

Hi! Quick one for you, given our mutual interest in the Platine war...

I did some work a while back going through and translating (or mis-translating - I can only translate from Spanish very slowly!) various articles on Chilean battles during the independence period, using the Spanish wikipedia as a basis ((see Battle of El Roble, Battle of San Carlos (1813), First Battle of Talca, Battle of El Quilo, Battle of Membrillar, First Battle of Cancha Rayada, Battle of Quechereguas, Battle of Las Tres Acequias and Siege of Chillan). One of the problems I had was that the Spanish wiki is a little weak on sources/references - there weren't any for the articles concerned. I know they're Chilean rather than Argentinian, and of course free to say "no", but if you've access to any Spanish langugage references for them, they badly need some basic help with the citations. English language sources are pretty poor for the independence conflicts, I'm afraid, particularly in the south.

Many thanks in advance if you do have anything which could help! Hchc2009 (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Hchc2009 (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Picture

File:Spanish american independence.PNG

Cadiz.Tampico.Cúcuta.Andes.Tell me something--Santos30 (talk) 19:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC) Clear: we can use it with link to original pictures. Thanks Belgrano--Santos30 (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

undo? see here [2] --Santos30 (talk) 23:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Re King Ref

WP:AGF, MBelgrano, AGF. Hope you are fine. Salut, --IANVS (talk | cont) 11:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Otra cosa, no te enganchés con la cuestión personal a donde te que quiere llevar Lecen. Stay focused on the topic of the article. Salut, --IANVS (talk | cont) 12:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Dominion War: an apology!

Hi MBelgrano, just wanted to send you a big apology. I undid a revision you made to the menu on the 'Dominion War' discussion page, thinking that the previous menu had disappeared. I hadn't realised you had in fact created a drop-down menu for all of the nominations etc! I reverted my undo as soon as I read you message. I wondered if you would also be interested in giving the page an independent copy-edit if you have the time? I think the article would really benefit from different editors' input. Yours sincerely, Ethdhelwen (talk) 07:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Notability of small settlements

I saw that you contributed to the discussion at WT:N#Notability of small settlements, so you may be interested in a policy proposal I have made concerning this issue at the Village pump. Regards. Claritas (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Revision to Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri articles

I noticed that you have revised either Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri or Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire.

I intend to revise those articles following the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. There are more details on the discussion pages of those articles. I'd be interested in any comments you have. It would be best if your comments were on the discussion pages of the two articles.

Thank you.

Vyeh (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

No se si estas estudiando ingles, pero no te pongas a editar cosas en un idioma que no es el tuyo. En cuanto a neutralidad, lo cierto es q wikipedia es cualquier cosa menos neutral. Monopolizan los buscadores groseramente, por ende que se banquen la version opuesta al discurso oficial estadounidense. Supuestamente cualquiera puede editar pero lo unico que queda mas de una hora es lo que concuerda con la version oficial yanki en todo lo que es historia, politica y criticas al doble rasero de Washington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.17.16.217 (talk) 00:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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Review of William Tiger Dunlop

Hi there MBelgrano. Thanks for the review. As you've said, you don't know William "Tiger" Dunlop. But you have been rather insightful whether it was by design or circumstance. So I will address your comments. Article Name: William "Tiger" Dunlop is actually how this man is known. I can cite some current correspondence between southern Ontario librarians or correspondence contemporaneous to him to support this. Lead: You're right about the enumeration quality. I will work on this. Image: Without obtaining copyright rights from the National Library of Canada, this is the best of the images available to me.

Extension: This is where you hit the nail on the head. There is no reason to spend much time on Dunlop's time in parliament. Authoritative sources tell us that Dunlop was known for his humorous speeches and friendliness, and not much else. The point in him becoming a Member of Parliament was to stop Bishop Strachan from becoming the sitting member. The two ran against each other; the Bishop fixed the results and after Dunlop challenged, Dunlop won and became the sitting member. This is really a battle of good versus evil with Dunlop as a Canadian Robin Hood and the Bishop as the bad sheriff. Notwithstanding Dunlop employment with the Canada Company, the Bishop represents the interests of the Canada Company and the Family Compact. Dunlop respresents the interests of the settlers--some well-off, some not. The Canada Company had a habit of robbing the settlers and then selling back to them that which belonged to them in the first place. Dunlop was able to keep the feud under control with his sense of humor, oratory abilities, and his ability to keep the real objective in mind. The objective was to have Canada populated by British immigrants; something which would not happen if the Bishop et. al. continued to rule to the province. Having said all this, you may ask why this isn't in the article. Mainstream Canadian history describes the Bishop in terms of his religious duties thus rehabilitating him; it does not concentrate on his political and social aspirations. My thoughts above are confirmed by a few academic thesis and the literature of Upper Canada, but would be challenged by the current historical paradigm. I believe it is more important to raise Dunlop to the place he deserves in Canadian history, than to engage in a useless battle of historical revisionism.

Words to avoid: I think after reading the above you will understand why I used those words. They are the words that may cause someone with an interest in the subject to enquire further.

So, thanks again from a new Wikipedian, and I will address your comments in the article. CJ_WeißSchäfer 11:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJ3370 (talk • contribs)

DYK

I nominated an article for a DYK that is currently nominated for deletion. My question is if the rest of the AfD is to keep will I still be able to renominate it for a DYK even if the allocated time has passed? --TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind I just readded the nomination with an instruction to wait.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in adminship discussions

Please excuse me if I was too zealous there. Doc Quintana (talk) 23:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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France rugby tours of Argentina

Could you give me some information of the following please:

• 1949 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1954 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1960 France rugby union tour of Argentina and Uruguay
• 1974 France rugby union tour of Brazil and Argentina
• 1977 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1985 France rugby union tour of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay
• 1986 France rugby union tour of Argentina, Australia and New Zealand
• 1988 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1992 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1996 France rugby union tour of Argentina
• 1998 France rugby union tour of Argentina and Fiji
• 2002 France rugby union tour of Argentina and Australia
• 2003 France rugby union tour of Argentina and New Zealand

I just want the matches in Argentina or in South America. I just could do with some help. I would be greatful. Mr Hall of England (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the message. Mr Hall of England (talk) 16:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Inca plan

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1943 coup

Hi, your edit added the 1943 Argentina coup, but the template was conceived as having a 1945 start point (heading still says that). It's already quite large, and there's still some missing, so I don't think we can go back further. I considered taking attempted coups out (to a different template?) to make it more manageable. What do you think? Rd232 ^talk 11:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination Evita, vida y obra de Eva Perón

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DYK for Evita, vida y obra de Eva Perón

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History of Argentina

Hi! I'm not spending too much time here in WP these times, so I'll ask you for a favor. In the aformentioned article, there's a serious NPOV editor problem since Revolution on '43 section on. And it only gets worse as the article goes on, until the Kirchners period. I've just reversed some of the most flagrant cases, but the article would probably need of some more re-reading. Thank you, MBelgrano.

Hope you're doing fine!! (I've seen the last articles you've worked on, and they are great! Even you English is improving!) --IANVS (talk) 02:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay to answer, I wanted to finish one of the articles I have been working with to nominate it for DYK. I'm aware of the problems in that article, but it's huge scope usually make me leave it for later. I have to summarize the information, and I'm not very good at it yet, as I have to find the balance between either leaving information at the specific articles and yet keep the summary possible to be understood on its own, and without the missing details making it misleading or incorrect. It's a mess, so I usually prefer to work at more specific articles where I can simply write everything there is to write. Besides, the "stories of steeds and steels" have that epic feeling that can't be find with modern politics, so I'm not as well informed about XX century Argentina than about XIX century (except from Menem and afterwards, as that part I had live it myself). But you are right, it's an article of top importance, and it should at least be free of major problem templates. It should be featured, but first things first... MBelgrano (talk) 04:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been doing some more work there, but it is herculean in scope, as you said. Nonetheless, it can be more easily tackled by linking some more major articles into the sections and copypasting some well-sourced sentences so as to summarize the most important topics. As for the short-term and the time beign, I guess I'd be happy with some minor NPOV work there. Good luck with your truly great work! (I'm going to bed now) --IANVS (talk) 04:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for French blockade of the Río de la Plata

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Flag of Macha

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Huh?

What do you mean by this edit summary? I don't know or care who Néstor Kirchner is, I was just removing refspam added here. Rehevkor ✉ 01:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• (Just passing through:) If you edit the article, you probably should know or care who the subject is--the former president of Argentina. You could suppose that the link you removed was not the greatest source in the world, but calling it "refspam" is hardly to the point (the information in the article was correct, for instance); if anything, the serious nature of the edit and the content of the article in the reference should encourage you to look for better sources. In this case, with some 200 edits between the addition of the source and your removal of it, a quick glance at the article and its history would have shown that placing a "fact" tag is not the most appropriate action. Drmies (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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United Provinces of South America

MBelgrano, please consider taking part in the current discussion at United Provinces of the Río de la Plata talk-page. I currently have my tolerance quite lowered. Hope you are well. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 02:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

List of heads of state of Argentina

Just a tips, seeing that your FL has already gotten an oppose; you should copy the outlay of the List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom article which is a FL... While, the outlay would need some minor changes, those can easily be resolved. --TIAYN (talk) 20:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

remove (close nom)

If you want to close the nom, then close the nom! --TIAYN (talk) 05:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought that only the ones in charge of the section were allowed to close nominations. I hope there are no problems in this case MBelgrano (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I amended the mistake in White Argentine

Thanks for noticing my mistake; I already included Matheu and Larrea, but clarifying that they were Spaniards. I would like to ask for your oppinion on the rest of the article.--Pablozeta (talk) 10:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Early life of Néstor Kirchner

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Undo?

We do not have to be created for upcoming article, please do not revert to the reason. And to think before taking action first, please. Response does not think much of the editing, there are editing.시스플라티나 (talk) 11:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

That's correct, but only for links within a same project. Interwikis to other projects must point to written articles, not to the name the article may have someday when it's finally written. See Help:Interlanguage links#Links to pages that do not exist for the reasons. Anyway, if I hadn't noticed that the article did not exist at that time, a bot (an automated software that works around the project) would have noticed it sooner or later, and do the same. MBelgrano (talk) 11:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk page

You are right. --79.25.114.141 (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a neo-Nazi at all, believe me.

I read your talking to Andy the Grump and I want to ask you: do you know some "abandoned wiki" where I can publish the article? I swear that Metapedia was not my first option, but so far it is the only site that has respected my work, and not simply criticized it mercilessly. You don't know how hard I worked trying to referenciate every statement, data or figure of White Argentine, and keeping it neutral; and those three hungry wolves appeared and began to disect it in thin slices based on technicalities. I didn' even know there was a BLP policy; I really thought that if someone had a Caucasian phenotype, there was no problem labelling him "White". Concerning my non-support on racist hatred, I just cite myself here: Razas del Mundo The site is still in formation, for I found new sources, and I am still collecting and processing the data, but in the third paragraph you'll read my thinking on the matter.--Pablozeta (talk) 04:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Pelicula

Vas a ir a Rosario ? --Jor70 (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Ojalá, todavía no terminé los exámenes. MBelgrano (talk) 17:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Gracias

Thanks for your support and defense in the talk page of White Argentine. One question; are you Mariano Belgrano, the historian? If you are, congratulations for your work. Once, during my years at the teacher's training college, I prepared an essay on the British Empire, and the section refering to the Invasiones inglesas was mainly based on a book of Argentine history written by Mariano Belgrano.

One last question, can you give me some advice on what to do to improve White Argentine? Maybe you know some bibliography where to look to better referenciate the article, or any other piece of advice. Thanks for all.--Pablozeta (talk) 15:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm not related to him, I didn't even heard about him. I'm afraid I don't have much knowledge about the topic, I checked the article before they started to cut it, and the only detail I could point was when Matheu was incorrectly reported as a criollo. Perhaps I can help checking authors, list me some of the sources you used or want to use that the others rejected, and I may try to investigate a little around if they have awards, recognitions, criticism, controversies or other details to clarify whenever we should use them or not. MBelgrano (talk) 12:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I have some links with results of searchs I have ran in google books, but I only have some vistas previas and some quotations where the phrases "argentinos blancos" or "white argentines" appear in those books. I want to share those links with you, but Andy the Grump is keeping track of every move I make in WP. I asked for help in the talk page of the Wikiproject of Ethnic groups, and he added a comment warning of the "serious breaches in WP's policy" that I have commited. He also discredits beforehand a book -which I already bought and I'm still waiting to receive- that might help me referentiate the article. So, if you agree, I want to ask you an e-mail address where I can send you the sources, but without having any interference from this guy. If you don't agree, I'll leave them here with no problems. To give you something to begin with, I know that the book "Sociología Argentina" by José Ingenieros mentions the "blancos argentinos" in the pages 453, 469 and 470 at least. Thanks a lot for your help.--Pablozeta (talk) 00:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

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May Revolution

Just letting you know that I responded to your copy edit request and would be more than happy to have a look over the article for you if you would like. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 13:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. As I noted, I'm not a native English speaker, but try to improve, so if you notice some recurring mistake tell me so. MBelgrano (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Will do. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Links y vistas previas sobre WA

Estos son los enlaces a vistas previas o citas de libros en los que se mencionan a los AB. See what you can find about these authors and works. Thanks for anything you can do.

[3] Los wichí en las fronteras de la civilización: capitalismo, violencia y shamanismo en el Chaco Argetino. Una aproximación etnográfica. Javier Rodríguez Mir. Página 24. Editorial Abya Yala. “Brasil se transformó en un país marcadamente blanco, mestizo y negro, mientras que Argentina se volvió un país eminentemente blanco. ... Las diferencias en el modo de representar la pertenencia al Estado-nación, impulsados por sus respectivas elites, está claramente presente en las distintas imágenes homogeneizadoras que cada identidad nacional proyecta; en Brasil se realizó a través de la imagen de una democracia racial, formada por blancos negros e indios, mientras en Argentina se ha realizado bajo la imagen del "crisol de las razas", formada por la composición de muchos argentinos blancos europeos. ...”

[4] Argentina en marcha, Volumen 1. Comisión Nacional de Cooperación Intelectual. 1947 “Para 1826 se admiten 630.000 almas, así repartidas, según Ingenieros: Blancos extranjeros 5.000, Blancos argentinos 8.000, Indios 132.000, Mestizos 400.000, Negros…”

[5] Folclore en las grandes ciudades: arte popular, identidad y cultura. Escrito por Alicia Martín. Páginas 77 y 80.

[6] Our Good Neighbor Hurdle. By John W. White. Page 168.

[7] Crisis and hope in Latin America: an evangelical perspective. Chapter “The Races of Latin America”, page 23. Escrito por Emilio Antonio Núñez C.,William David Taylor. William Carey Library. 1996. “The population of Argentina, for example, is 90 percent European in origin, whereas that of Paraguay, is Guarani Indian in about the same proportion… Here are white Argentines and black Venezuelans who speak the language of Castile;… ”

[8] Embodying Argentina: body, space and nation in 19th century narrative. Escrito por Nancy Hanway. Chapter 5, The Injured Body. Page 170.

[9] Revista de Filosofía. Vol. 14, Parte 2. 1921. “Y aquí conviene observar que "argentino blanco" no designa una aproximación, sino que quiere decir lo que expresa literalmente, "argentinos blancos" puros, sin mezcla, de ascendencia directamente europea. Sin la "color-line",…”

Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana. Nº 63-65. 1952 “... se levantó una Argentina sin indios y sin gauchos, con argentinos blancos, nacidos de inmigrantes europeos,…”

“los argentinos blancos que sentimos la necesidad de llamarnos hispano-argentinos para que no se nos confunda con cualquier otro producto de mestizaje blanco, los que somos auténticamente argentinos por los cuatro costados,” El Antisemitismo en la Argentina. Leonardo Senkman. 1989.

Revista Internacional de Lingüística Iberoamericana. RILI: volumen 5, Nº 9-10. Escrito por Klaus Zimmerman y Armin Schwegler. 2007. “…. Hasta ahora hemos analizado cómo los hablantes han construido un límite entre argentinos 'blancos' e inmigrantes ... cómo una argentina con antepasados indígenas construye los argentinos como un grupo exclusivamente blanco. ...” --Pablozeta (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Felices Fiestas

I just wanted to wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Thanks for everything. You are one of the few kind people I've found here in this wikipedia.--Pablozeta (talk) 10:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Need opinions on photos

Hi. A disagreement has arisen over which of two photos would be better as the main Infobox image for the Ben Templesmith article. Can you participate in this discussion? Thanks, and Happy Holidays. :-) Nightscream (talk) 04:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Me agregué al Wikiprojecto Argentina

Hi, Belgrano. I added myself to the project; I offer to translate and/or expand articles on Argentine musicians, singers, songwriters and bands. Maybe you can provide me a link to a list of requested articles. Thanks and Happy New Year.--Pablozeta (talk) 00:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Malvinas

Hola, ¿podrías darme una mano con Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute? Referencié la posición de China favorable al reclamo argentino y Wee Curry Monster me revirtió varias veces porque quiere ignorar las referencias y hacer que el artículo siga diciendo que China es neutral sin que nada lo respalde. Porque se le canta también sacó varias veces en Flag of the Falkland Islands la mención de lo que opina la UNASUR sobre esa bandera. No manejo aun el inglés como para enfrascarme en una discusión. Saludos.--Cêsar (talk) 08:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)