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Us couties on article map

State and bordering counties not apearing just the counties on a white background not a normal map 2601:246:CF00:CD60:D26:36F9:683F:9C95 (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Is this a question, or a request, or just a statement? If it's a question or request, please rephrase it. (For a start, which "article map"?) -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

On my end maybe on other ends when i enter a county article any county in the us article and I go down under the first image to the map the map instead of showing te states outline with the county lines and the red highlighted county it is just the red highlighted county on a white background 2601:246:CF00:CD60:D26:36F9:683F:9C95 (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

When I look at the map for Orange County, California, I see Orange County in red, the rest of California in white, and the neighboring states in fawn, with their borders shown. If you're aware of a county map that isn't like that, please give a link to it. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

the counties in illinois and most other svg 2601:246:CF00:CD60:A048:DE1E:C1C3:3973 (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

There are thousands of US counties. You obviously haven't looked at all of them. When asked for en example, GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I guess it's a similar case to #Infobox probelem where the rendering of some old SVG files has changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Illinois_highlighting_Cook_County.svg 2601:246:CF00:CD60:A048:DE1E:C1C3:3973 (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it's an issue with the Cook County template using the wrong image -- MacAddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 17:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

maybe it's like that on several other counties in illinois and throughout the us 2600:1008:B1A0:6013:0:59:E077:DA01 (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

It's very possible! It's probably not very convenient to do on mobile, but if you find one that isn't correct you can go to the associated template page and replace the image linked at map_image = image.svg with a more appropriate county map.

Actually, on further inspection, it looks like it is a much wider spread issue, particularly with these Illinois counties... -- MacAddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the example. It's the same issue as in #Infobox probelem. commons:User:David Benbennick uploaded a lot of SVG files with US county maps in 2006. They rendered correctly previously but not now. Many articles are still showing cached versions which render correctly but if they have to be generated again by MediaWiki then the may all fail. I have made a working version of commons::File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County.svg and uploaded it as commons:File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County corrected.svg. I used the suggested fix [1] by WelpThatWorked. I don't have permission to overwrite Commons files but there may also be hundreds or thousands of files to fix and I'm not doing that manually. This is just to show a possible fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks maybe notify a admin about the issues so they can edit it 2601:246:CF00:CD60:90E9:E1DD:6B28:42ED (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I notified the uploader at User talk:Dbenbenn#US county maps rendering incorrectly and will first hear whether he replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter, thanks for letting me know about the problem. And thanks for making a fix at Cook County corrected.svg.

> I don't have permission to overwrite Commons files

Oh no! "File overwriting not allowed. You attempted to overwrite a file that was not initially uploaded by you." That's new since 2006. It's a wiki, you should be able to edit images! Anyway, I see anyone can request "Autopatrol" rights at commons:Commons:Overwriting existing files/Requests.

I went ahead and overwrote File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County.svg with your corrections.

Are you (or anyone else on here) interested in running an upload bot to correct 3000 images? I don't know how to do that anymore since 2006. User:dbenbenn 10:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm working on fixing the files (should be just a batch find/replace), then I'll look into the upload bot thing. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The problem is also discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#SVG file not displaying correctly - Microsoft Edge and phab:T367645. The trigger was apparently that MediaWiki updated the used version of the external software librsvg. Since the affected SVG files are said to not follow the SVG standard, I doubt there will be a MediaWiki change to accept them. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

A request could be made at commons:Commons:Batch uploading. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Nux has fixed many Alabama and New York counties but with another method which changes the bold state outline to the same as county borders, e.g. File:Map of Alabama highlighting Sumter County.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Suppose I'll wait to see if they continue then. WelpThatWorked (talk) 04:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

In the working commons:File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County corrected.svg I changed

<clipPath id="state_clip_path">
<g id="state_outline">
<path id="1716" .....
</g>
</clipPath>

to

<clipPath id="state_clip_path">
<path id="state_outline" .....
</clipPath>

..... indicates a lot of unchanged code. Only remove the first occurrence of </g>. The old id 1716 may be different for other SVG files. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Dbenbenn: I'm about to put a brfa in over at commons to fix this, unless there's any objections? Mdann52 (talk) 17:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Mdann52: Thanks. I have no objections. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Political Candidate Article

I’m an unpaid volunteer for a Congressional campaign in West Virginia. Our candidate won the primary race and will be on the November ballot. The other candidate for the same Congressional seat has a Wikipedia article and it seemed in the public interest for our candidate to have one as well. As Thomas Jefferson wrote to Richard Prince on January 8, 1789, “… wherever the people are well informed they can be trusted with their own government.” (https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/60.html)

With that in mind, I wrote the following draft:

This is my first Wikipedia article and the review I received tells me my submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. I accept that as true. In the process of writing the article, I came to understand just how challenging it is. As such, I have no intention of becoming a regular Wikipedia contributor or reviewer. And I admire those who are.

So my question is this…

What’s the best way to get help editing the article I wrote to add the supporting citations needed?

Thank you. Jumpcutter (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I did looked over your draft that you linked. My only suggestion is that users will have different interests of what they want to edit and such. If you want this to be an actual article that lives on this Wikipedia, then it needs additional citations that are reliable and trustworthy.

Here is information on citing sources: Wikipedia:Citing sources. Feel free to ask questions on citing or if you need help with citing here. Soafy234 (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jumpcutter. Steven Wendelin is running for Congress against Riley Moore who has previously served as an elected member of the West Virginia House of Delegates and is currently the elected West Virginia State Treasurer. There is widespread consensus among Wikipedia editors that elected state legislators and elected statewide officials are notable and therefore eligible for Wikipedia biographies. On the other hand, there is no such consensus for unelected candidates for office unless there is a strong case for notability outside of politics. Wendelin had a long career in the US Navy, retiring as a Commander, equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army. There is no consensus or agreement that officers of this rank are eligible for Wikipedia articles except for extraordinary cases that generate significant coverage in reliable sources, and that does not seen to be the case for Wendelin. If he wins in November, he will certainly be eligible at that time. See WP:NPOLITICIAN for clarification. Cullen328 (talk) 08:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for an excellent answer. That makes perfect sense to me. I appreciate your time and attention. Jumpcutter (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Soafy234 for taking the time to review my article and for your recommendations. Time is our one truly non-renewable resource and I appreciate you sharing yours with me. Jumpcutter (talk) 22:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Croatia European Union

Hello, I noticed that on your European Union wiki page says that there are 27 member states, which is not true, Croatia is the 28. state and has been since 2013. so therefore there are 28 states in the EU. Here is the page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 09:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I think you're mistaken here. Both the article Member state of the European Union and the EU's official website say there's 27. However, there were 28 member states before Brexit in 2020. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it changed when Britain left the EU, but here on the wiki page of Croatia, in the section: Independent Croatia (1991–present) the photo on the right says: Croatia became the 28th EU member country on 1 July 2013. Here is the full link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 10:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, just noticed your Brexit comment, yes I think you are right 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 10:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Croatia was the 28th country to join, that won't change- but the EU now has 27 members with the UK out. 331dot (talk) 22:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Help: account issue

Hi, I just start to edit Wikipedia recently and been editing in both Vietnamese and English. However, it seems that my lack of understanding causes my Vietnamese account to be banned forever with just a few edit, while my English account is still going well. I've been trying to contact those who banned me for over a week but it seems like I couldn't reach any of the administrator. The contribution I made to Wikipedia is also my what I wanted to share on my portfolio. I really don't know what to do, please help. Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu). Wikipedia is not a place for your portfolio. Please use social media for that. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Golden Rule in order to better understand what Wikipedia is about. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure I understand the issue with using Wikipedia for my portfolio. Could you please clarify what you mean? My intention in editing and writing articles on Wikipedia is driven by my interest in certain topics that I find impactful. After contributing, I include the pages I've worked on in my portfolio as evidence of my writing and research skills.

For instance, I edited the article for the book "Anxious People" by Fredrik Backman, where I added information about the book's themes. My edits were not flagged, and I was proud of my contributions. I want to showcase my work on Wikipedia in my portfolio.

Could you please help me understand which area of Wikipedia's guidelines I might have violated? Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Apologies @Shantavira, I've forgotten to mentioned you. I hope you understand that my message is purely intended to help me understand what I did wrong. Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If your issue is on the Vietnamese Wikipedia, you will need to deal with it there, using whatever process they have to do so- we can only help you with issues on the English Wikipedia. I can't speak to why they would have an issue with you telling about your edits on your user page(if that's what you did). 331dot (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh okok, thank you @331dot for your help! Do you have any suggestion onto how to connecting with people there? I've been banned so emailing and submitting forms seems to be the only way I can reach them. However, I haven't seen any respond for over a week so I'm not sure what to do. Quynh Tran Nhat (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I can tell you that the Vietnamese guide to appealing a block is at this link. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know any Vietnamese, but the OP appears to have an open unblock request on xyr viWP user talk page (along with a couple of blank ones, which xe may wish to clean up). Best to be patient; I expect an admin will be reviewing it in due course.—Odysseus1479 07:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

References to newspaper or magazine clippings

Hi, I have read through the citation guidelines but cannot find a clear directive for the following.

I am working on an article and I have references that are clippings from magazines and newspapers supporting facts I am stating about the subject. These are old ( 30+ years and not online ) and in some cases I can attribute author, date and publication name but for others the author is unknown as they are truncated extracts (clippings) where only the date and name of the publication is known. If the reference were to be challenged, or required to be proven, I have no way of attaching the image of the clipping...what do I do?

Thank you for any assistance. Danjam607 (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com I think would be worth trying for verification since you can make clippings there. Timur9008 (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Some are from publications not digitised on Newspapers.com but I will search. 122.150.142.187 (talk) 00:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Danjam607 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:OFFLINE says basically that if your source is WP:RS, go ahead, add the info you have to your cites. See for example Skeeter Reece, which has some off-line cites. Can this be abused? Sure, but the default assumption is that you won't make stuff up, and that if you do, we'll be able to deal with it at some point. If you haven't, check archive.org, you never know.

Noting also that if you stick around, you will get access to the WP:LIBRARY, which can be really helpful in cases like this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

thank you, this helps greatly.I of course have images which I will provide if required. 122.150.142.187 (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Ctegory:Organization founders

This is the way it appears

How is this different than the other categories?2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There was a typo in your headins which I fixed. Otherwise it is essentially just like any other category.Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hum, typo? No, exactly as i found it in WP is how it was posted o that would not be a fix but it does seem to me that this indicates what i ha oiginally corrected then was reverted by anothr editor is a mistaken action on the part of the other editor. Thank you.2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 19:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. How is this different than the other categories?

(To be clearer: I have no idea what difference you are talking about, or what it is that you want explained). ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Obviously when the question has been altered it is difficult to understand what is going on. But i think the situation has been solved. An overanxious editor reverting a correction.2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Your post here said Ctegory:Organization founders and mentioned "the other categories" so it sounded like you were trying to link a category and somebody changed it to Category:Organization founders which is a category. Ctegory:Organization founders is not a category, it's a link to a non-exisitng Wikipedia article called "Ctegory:Organization founders". There is no reason to make such a link. If somebdoy does it in an article then the best fix is to change the obvious misspelling of "Category", assuming the article belongs in Category:Organization founders. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I did edit it and another editor who seems to specialize in spending very little time on edits reverted it without fixing the obvious. Then when i posted it having been reverted asked about it and instead was criticized about posting some thing wrong. I dont know what the original poster of the link was attempting to do. All i know is that I attempted to correct it. So if the more "experienced" editors feel that it is their responsibility to go on a revertcampaign spending virtually seconds on a review i would suggest they think differently especially on something that on the face should be recognizable to an stablished editor to be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:d300:3650:6c65:54ea:701d:78d (talk • contribs)

You have to say where it took place if you want me to comment on the specific situation. Your IP addresses have made too many edits for me to go hunting for whatever it is you are talking about. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing more needs be done as the question has been answered. There never would have been a question if an over-zealous editor had not reverted an edit after spending virtually seconds looking it over. Sorry if I have burdened the situation having made too many edits. I assume that corrections are appreciated edits.2603:8000:D300:3650:6C65:54EA:701D:78D (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The edit notice for this page says "Provide a link to the page you're asking about." You haven't burdened the situation by making too many edits but by concealing which edit or page you were posting about. We get many inaccurate posts from users who misunderstood something. I cannot judge whether the other editor did something wrong without seeing what they did. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The question has been answered and publicly naming that person involved in the revert will not change the outcome. There is little to gain disclosing someone's foible yet not doing so earns someone the distinction of concealing information to judge. When another editor altered the posted question it confirmed that the revert should never have happened. A review of the time log showed mere seconds were used in review of the many reverts posted. No explanation is given justifying the revert. What would have been interesting is if a warning was issued by this editor calling attention to the use of the sandbox instead of direct article editing. Again, the question has been answered.2603:8000:D300:3650:6C65:54EA:701D:78D (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

References?

Please advise me: I have drafted a page that I would like to have posted on wikipedia; I also have extensive citations that will, I believe, address verifiability questions. I would like to paste that page into my Draft Space; and then attach the citations which I have drafted correct in form, using the Wiki automation. Please advise. I have difficulty with wiki following all the different directions and names of things. So I need to keep it simple. Henrybardklein (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Henrybardklein. Your best bet is to use referencing in the visual editor by following the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. This is a word-processor style interface, so not markup language, and likely much easier for you to use. Ensure that you Publish (akin to Save) often, so that any errors in your browser cache do not lead to your work being lost. Qcne (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! 71.247.207.16 (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Complete list or create new surname page?

Hi, I'm a new editor just learning the basics. I stumbled upon the page Noro and realized it doesn't include Issei Noro, so I want to fix it by adding other people and places already on wikipedia to the list, since I have made some minor edits on other pages and it seems simple enough.

However, I realized that there are 10 people on wikipedia with that surname, and after looking at pages like Dauphin and Dauphin (surname) I thought that maybe I should create a new page for Noro (surname) instead and edit the Noro page accordingly, with a link to that new surname page. Which approach would be better? Thanks! Grunline (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It's a judgement call. Personally, I would simply add "Issei Noro" into the existing "Noro" page. That's because the lists are small. "Dauphin" is a bigger dataset, and in that case I can see why it is two separate (although cross-referenced) lists. As you come across other Noro-related articles, simply add them also. This will help you gain experience, not only in the technicalities of doing the edit, but also the weighing up of things and decision-making. (On the other hand, if you already, at this stage, know that there are many tens of items to be added to (say) the surnames, you might decide to perform the split earlier rather than later.) Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand. I will start with the existing Noro page for now and will see if I make the new page later. Thank you very much for your insight! Grunline (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I find what Wiki pages need edits?

How do I find what Wiki pages need edits? I swear it was the log-in portal before but it has been awhile for me. I tried writing an article but I think I need more practice first by editing and learning how to get sources. WindowColorCenter (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot of different ways to search for things to do on Wikipedia, but WP:TASKS lists several good options for newer editors. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I think I will try that and would like to write my own articles soon. I tried writing one but there is not enough sources so I did not continue. WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @WindowColorCenter, I also recommend SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which is how I started out editing- it recommends articles that need simple and basic editing. Qcne (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will take a peek and look at how to construct articles from there. I think I'm getting somewhere... WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Marking an article as requiring revision

I stumbled over International Organization for Peace, Care and Relief and originally made some minor edits. I wanted to also fix some references still using old formatting and noticed that the iopcr.org page no longer seems to refer to this organization; I remember seeing an update needed edit note on some other pages but can't find the appropriate template. How would I find such a template (so far, I have tried looking at things like WP:OUTDATED, WP:Revision and similar guesses, but I'm not sure how to search). Namnatulco (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Namnatulco, Wikipedia:Template index may be helpful. -- Hoary (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I would like to add more articles about Minecraft streamers from the Dream SMP, but I dont know where to start?

Can some1 help me please? HiimowoomgYT (talk) 22:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

HiimowoomgYT, you haven't made a single edit to an article. Please make dozens of well-thought-out, reference-based, constructive edits to existing articles. Then you might consider creating drafts for new, solidly referenced articles on notable subjects. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

i can't make stuff at all. :(

i like anything to do with Rome HiimowoomgYT (talk) 00:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider checking out the Task Center for some beginner friendly tasks. You might also be interested in joining WikiProject Rome. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@HiimowoomgYT, you could also help out edit or improve existing articles about the Dream SMP or its members like Dream, GeorgeNotFound, Sapnap, Technoblade, or Philza, or other Minecraft community-related articles like Hypixel, MC Championship, or Build the Earth. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to upload a picture of a shipwreck to the page I am making

I'd like to upload a photo to the wikipedia article for Corveta Ipiranga V17. Do I need to fully ask permission from the people who took the picture (who I do not know)? Or is it suffice to cite their website for the picture? WindowColorCenter (talk) 23:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The copyright holder has to inform Wikimedia Commons (directly, not via you) that they license the image via this or that (unusually permissive) copyleft license.. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Given that, is it best to contact the people who took the photograph or those hosting the website ? Some of the websites hosting images of the historical pictures I am looking for didn't take the pictures and those photographers and original sources. I'm afraid those photos may be obscured by time. They'd add a lot to the article. Any advice moving forward ? I just want to be sure I understand correctly. WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The pictures aren't within mention of copyright holding if that matters WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@WindowColorCenter: Based on the info at Draft:Corveta_Ipiranga_V17, the ship was built in 1953 and wrecked in 1983. Based on WP:COPYEXP, it will depend on the circumstances of the particular photo if it is freely available or not. I suggest asking at WP:MCQ and including details on which photos you are considering. That's where the copyright-knowledgable editors answer questions.

For your other question, as to who to contact for permission, that will depend on who holds the copyright. Often it will be the photographer, but not always. RudolfRed (talk) 02:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I actually went and submitted the article already for review. Is it possible to add a picture later if it is approved? WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes! Articles are meant to be edited so they continue to improve with time. RudolfRed (talk) 03:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes indeed, and in fact images (or their absence) should have no effect at all on whether a draft is accepted or not. ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I think my article title should be in italics

How can I change my article title Corveta Ipiranga V17 to be in italics? It is a shipwreck cite. I'm unsure as the title has already been created. Thanks WindowColorCenter (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: This is about Draft:Corveta Ipiranga V17. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Please see Template:Italic title. -- Hoary (talk) 23:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I submitted the article however. If it is approved can I change that later? WindowColorCenter (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@WindowColorCenter:, yes you can change it later. However, I would withdraw the submission, as your Draft is not ready for mainspace yet as there are various problems. For starters, the lead needs to be entirely rewritten. The lead should be a summary of the main points of the article, and should not contain unique information not already covered in more detail in the body. For an article of this length, your lead should probably be just one sentence, and the current first sentence is adequate for now. Everything after that should be part of the body of the article. There are other problems, but I would start with that. Mathglot (talk) 03:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh cool. I found a few more issues after my submission. I didn't know I could withdraw an article. Totally thought it was set in stone from there, so really thank you so much for letting me know! As well as with the advice on the lead there. I really appreciate that you've taken the time to look over the draft and been so generous with helping me get on track as a new editor. WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

How to edit images on Wikipedia

I cannot find a way to change a specific immage or add another one. Divine Wolves (talk) 00:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Divine Wolves, do you mean editing the display of images on Wikipedia articles, or the images themselves? I assume you mean the first. See Help:Images - maybe your question is answered there. If you want to edit images you can try InkScape or Paint3D but we can't help you too much there. If you want to upload a new image, see the File upload wizard. Note that most images you find online are copyrighted and you cannot upload them to Wikipedia. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

external links of adult content here which are not suitable for users

I found some external links of adult content here which are not suitable for users so can I remove them? And if i do so, do I have to explain Why?

here is that link:- http://www.eucetsa.net/eucetsa Naveen23006 (talk) 02:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Naveen23006: Where did you find these links? Could be someone inserted it maliciously, or a case of WP:LINKROT. If it used to be a valid (non-porn) link, then replacing it a link to the web archive would be good. RudolfRed (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No. per WP:NOTCENSOR Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 03:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Does not apply to what appears to be advertsing for Japanese porn site. RudolfRed (talk) 03:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Naveen23006: There is no general ban on links to adult content. We have to see where it's linked for what purpose. The only link at Special:Linksearch/eucetsa.net was your above post. Asking about alleged but non-existing links to an adult site does not seem like a valid reason to add such a link so I have deactivated your link. Maybe you saw a link added by your own software. Some browser exstensions and malware can add advertising links to viewed pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

It has no relation with that topic, it is just for malware attack and it can harm user's device. I don't think you should allow these unsafe links Naveen23006 (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

We would be happy to remove any unsafe links but you will have to be specific about the Wikipedia article(s) where you saw them, which you have not yet stated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I have that link, but I have forgotten where it is and I have not even saved which article it was on. And I will apologize to you wholeheartedly for this mistake.

Here is that link:- http://www.eucetsa.net/eucetsa

And I think you'll have to find out about that. Naveen23006 (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Well I think the issue is solved then. The link does not appear on any other page, and I'll deactivate the one you added above. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I did a little digging, and it seems that the website used to be for the "European Committee of Environmental Technology Suppliers Associations" (see here), before the domain was put on sale, and I'm guessing a porn site bought it. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

may be Naveen23006 (talk) 01:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

This looks kinda good Naveen23006 (talk) 01:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

ah, my bad. I misread it. I deeply apologize. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 12:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

i have one query

currently in India a national exam was held known as NEET (National Eligibility cum Entrance Test) and in this exam the NTA (National Testing Agency) done scam with students, i want to edit the article 2024 NEET controversy - Wikipedia

Note - This Scam Topic is very important to be covered on Wikipedia because this scam is a national threat

Even CBI (Central Bureau Of Investigation) is confused in solving this Scam , i can see that wikipedians are not updating information on this topic, but i want to update because i have latest updates with proof

i think it is necessary to edit this article

give me permission to do an edit on 2024 NEET controversy - Wikipedia, i will give citations also UnKnownrNone (talk) 03:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

You dont need permission to edit a wikipedia article, in this case it is the same, but in case, i give you permission. TheNuggeteer (talk) 03:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

thanks sir for approving UnKnownrNone (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@UnKnownrNone Large portions of that article were removed recently by an admin as they were copyright violations. Please make sure that anything you add is written in your own words, paraphrasing from reliable sources which you cite as footnotes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

ok sir thnx for informing! UnKnownrNone (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Please let me know what the next step is for me to publish my article on Wikipedia.

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ronald Thondickal

As a new user of wikipedia, after creating an article by one week, I get the option to move it to the main page. It now says my article is not ready for publishing and has been moved to draft space. What is the next step I will take to publish my first article.
Ref: RonaldThondickal Draft:Ronald Thondickal LegacitInfotech (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi LegacitInfotech, articles on Wikipedia are expected to have WP:Reliable sources, ideally ones which clearly demonstrate WP:Notability. These sources should contain the information presented in the article. It would also probably help if the article read less like an advertisement than the current draft does. CMD (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Ronald Thondickal's journey from a small town in Kerala to becoming a key player in the global film distribution industry is a story of dedication, hard work, and passion for cinema. Et cetera. This is grossly promotional. If you want to promote this person, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 05:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

You have written your draft backwards. You need to read WP:BACKWARD, then discard all that unreferenced promotional text, and start again from the beginning. Maproom (talk) 10:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Removed promotional language. Needs refs!! David notMD (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hwllo, Legacitinfotech, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid you are having a common experience for people who start editing Wikipedia and try the challenging task of creating an article before they have spent much time learning how wikipedia works. It is like having your first music lesson and booking a public recital, or taking up tennis and immediately entering a competition.

I always advise new editors to spend at least a few weeks making edits to exizting articles and learning about such key concepts as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, before even trying to create an article. ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Uniformity in Lok sabha constituency pages of India

Where should we make a project type thing where disputes can be resolved about "Uniformity in Lok sabha constituency pages of India" such as a)whether to write "General election 2024" or "2024" or make a link in the subheadings of election results, b) should casteswise distribution among a constituency be mentioned, c) whether to use + or in %+/-section, etc.

Link: List of constituencies of the Lok Sabha Sourish _ Paul (talk) 08:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sourish Paul Shyamnagar India When looking for suitable project talk pages for discussions like these, I usually find that the talk page of the article itself will list likely venues. In this case, the talk page of WP:INPOL seems ideal and it does have some recent activity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

There is an article for each of the 543 lok sabha constituencies Sourish _ Paul (talk) 09:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The first step is going to be to obtain consensus for any proposal. Actual implementation depends, like everything else on Wikipedia, on finding volunteers willing to implement the changes. Sometimes a bot can be requested to implement them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback about the Appearance tab

I wish to tell the site designers that the recent omnipresent manifestation of the Appearance box (text size) on the RHS of every page is extremely irritating.

I have no idea where to direct this feedback as it is not about an article but reather about site design & operation.

Suggestions? Jmostly (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jmostly I found this, maybe you'll find something helpful there: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Appearance_dropbox_menu. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

You can always add this line to your vector.css file:

#vector-appearance-dropdown-checkbox { display: none; }

That should cause it to be permanently hidden. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I would like to ask how do you add pictures in a page

Please help TheGirl4Luya (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@TheGirl4Luya, see Help:Pictures. If you can be more specific, maybe we can be too. The basic assumption is that any random picture you find online is under copyright and can't be used on WP. But context matters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

About photoshop copyright

Hey, I wanted to add a portrait of someone named Hans Westenberg, recipient of the Ramon Magsaysay Award. But unfortunately I only found two of his portraits. The first image has complete information such as who the photographer is, but it is a little blurry and has a watermark, while the second image comes from Ramon Magdaysay's official website and the portrait is clearer, but it is clear that the background has been photoshopped, so there is only a portrait of Hans and the background is a room. So the question is; Can I remove the watermark from the first image (without make the image clearer from the blur), or secondly can I still upload the second image which is clearer but has a photoshopped background. Rufinsky (talk) 10:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rufinsky I assume we're talking fair-use (as in we can use it on en-WP because he's dead) uploads here, so I don't think it's WP-right to remove watermarks on those. On which image to use, use your best judgement, it's probably as good as anybody else. If someone at some point thinks the choice is "wrong", they can say so then. I'm guessing this [2] is one of the options you're thinking of, looks ok to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect question

In what scenario would it be reasonable to redirect to a category? 62.36.43.134 (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: I don't see any circumstance mentioned at the main WP:Redirect page. In particular, redirects from one category to another are deprecated: see WP:R#CATEGORY. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

There are nearly 6500 cross-namespace redirects to categories. Presumably they are there for some reason, though I do not understand what... Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Most of these are from the Wikipedia: namespace to listings of user categories or are redirects for non-notable academic journals from predatory publishers that rely on volume rather than quality. Ideally we would have something like List of MDPI journals for this but in the "Academic Knowledge and Research Publishing" area the category is just too huge. Reconrabbit 13:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Using Images under Fair Use

Hi all. What are the parameters for using images under fair use on Wikipedia pages? LGunn1981 (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@LGunn1981 Please see WP:FAIRUSE. All the conditions need to be met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:NFCI, a little more specific. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't Change my InfoBox template & Been Blocked from Following up Earlier Query

I tried adding new parameters to an infobox template in my sandbox draft -- but the system won't accept it. Why?

The above question was meant for one of our editors, PrimeHunter. But the system also prevented me from replying to an earlier question of mine, saying that I'm not logged in -- but I'm already logged into my account :(. Why does that happen?

Of course, everyone is encouraged to answer my questions :)! Thanking you all in advance for your enlightening answers ;)!

Warmest regards,

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 15:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Ping @PrimeHunter@Eleniofillyria

I have no idea on the logged in thing, you're obviously logged in atm.

On infobox params, for an infobox like say Template:Infobox_person#Blank_template_with_all_parameters, you can only add the parameters that are part of the template coding, so to speak, you can not invent a new one like say "daughters", you have to use the existing "children" (and it has to be written right, no extra capitals etc). Does that help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Eleniofillyria: I have fixed several things.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter :)!

My profuse thanks for your help :)! I am also inserting a photo of subject individual in the infobox. How do I go about doing that -- or what code do I use and where do I place it?

Thanking you in advance! I remain

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Grabergs Graa Sang :)!

Thank you very much for your advice :)! I am always logged in when I'm doing edits and adding info ;). That is why I was pretty perplexed when I got a pop-up box on my sandbox, saying I cannot edit :(.

The Template: Infobox person I chose indicated I could add additional parameters to the template. When I added the parameters and written the information to each, all my edits disappeared -- or didn't show up -- on the draft when I published it :(. That is mighty odd :O! Could it probably be a glitch in the system? How often does this happen? And when it does happen, what do you recommend I do to rectify it?

Thanking you in advance for your answers and time.

Best regards,

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 22:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Eleniofillyria: The page didn't use {{Infobox person}} before my edit. It does now. Images can only be displayed in Wikipedia if they have been uploaded to the English Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Then you can click the infobox in VisualEditor, click "Edit" below it and write the file name in the "Image" field. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are my edits gone ?

I created the Mario & Luigi: Brothership page at 16:04 CEST but my edits are now gone and it says the page was created at 16:48 by someone else. Why ? DanganMachin (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Because you didn't clearly assert notability, user:Jimfbleak deleted it. Someone else re-created it a little later, and more clearly asserted notability before it came to the attention of an admin. Is it important to you that you be the one who has the first edit in the article history? DS (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, DS, exactly so. DanganMachin, you had an unreferenced blurb for an unreleased game, that's not sufficient Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I added a reference later and I need to be the one who has the first edit in the article history for Wikipedia:Four Award DanganMachin (talk) 15:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I restored your edits because the re-creation by someone else was essentially identical in content. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I am a new editor on this Wikipedia , i don't know much about how to edit on wiki with perfection and quality, so can i be as your students or means a junior, for getting perfection UnKnownrNone (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, you can see a potential list of "adopters" or people who would look to teach and help you about Wikipedia here, maybe this is the approach you desire. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, UnknownrNone, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. We were all new once, so don't worry about not having all the skills yet. Help:Introduction might be helpful.

If you're going to edit in English Wikipedia, I think you might need to work on your English skills a bit: "so can I be as your students or means a junior" is very garbled - I think I can guess what you might mean, but it is not clear.

One thing I always say to new editors: please don't even think of trying to create a new article until you've been editing for at least a few weeks, made a significant number of edits (to articles) that haven't been reverted, and have understood the five pillars of Wikipedia, and how to interact with other editors when there is disagreement. ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Best tools to create citations

Hello,

I am learning Wikipedia and would appreciate some guidance on tools for citations. Wikipedia provides a list here – Help:Citation_tools#Tools

Which ones would you recommend?

 Nordic Research (talk) 16:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nordic Research Welcome to the Teahouse. Of all the tools and gadgets mentioned on that page, the Wikipedia:Citation expander is the one I use most and would thoroughly recommend, especially if you are a scientist accustomed to finding sources that have a quoted digital object identifier. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

lowercase titles

found snom while looking around random pages (pages in general, not necessarily articles), noticed that the title was somehow lowercase despite technical limitations, but only on the article itself, and not the url, instances of it being linked, its talk page, and... everywhere else, really

apparently, this is done with a designated template, but is that really all there is to it? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

did some testing and the answer to that is yes, give or take different namespaces not being properly decapitated

a little anticlimactic, but i don't know what else i should have expected cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Which namespaces did you find to not be decapitalized properly? (If there's a bug in {{lowercase}}, it's worth reporting.) jlwoodwa (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

plopping it on my sandbox turned it from "User:Cogsan/sandbox" to "User:cogsan/sandbox"

so in case of doubt, i'll assume it's any namespace other than mainspace cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 22:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

{{lowercase}} isn't all there is to it, actually – it uses the magic word {{DISPLAYTITLE}}, which changes how a page's title is displayed. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question on notability: creating article of a relative

I would like to write an article about my sibling who is an international athlete. There is an abundance of secondary sources available online, therefore writing a well-sourced, neutral, and verifiable article will not be an issue.

However, since they are my relative, it may appear as a conflict of interest and not pass the notability test.

Any suggestions? Luong.alois (talk) 17:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Luong alois, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Thank you for being open about your conflict of interest. As that link tells you, you are permitted to create a draft using the articles for creation process, and submit it for review. I would recommend that you disclose your COI on your user page User:Luong alois before you begin.

Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do in editing Wikipedia - even without the COI issue - and I always advise new editors to not even think about doing so until they have spent several weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making edits to existing articles: once they have understood fundamental principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, then they can read your first article, and give it a go.

Then, you should look at each of your sources critically, and ask if it meets all three of the criteria in the golden rule: is it reliably published, is it completely independent of your sibling, and does it contain significant coverage of your sibling?

If you can find several that meet all these requirements, then you can continue. You need to forget everything you know, think, or believe about your sibling, and write a summary of what those sources say - even if you think they are wrong. Do you see why it is hard to write an article with a COI? ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Luong.alois It is not your COI which might prevent your sibling from being wikinotable: it is only if the draft you produce doesn't demonstrate that using the type of sources Colin mentioned, which you say shouldn't be an issue. I suggest you read this essay which has some advice. Also, you might want to delay the difficult task of writing an article from scratch until you have built up some experience editing existing articles about topics that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Reference

I used the Cit" indicator to add a reference. It completely changed the reference I was trying to add, making it useless. I am not surew what to do. The reference is an important source of information about my subject, Mary Conway Kohler. Here is the proper reference, note it is a library collection: SSC-MS-00282, Sophia Smith Collection, Mary Conway Kohler, Biographical Note, Smith College, Northampton, MA: See full Biographical Note. Henrybardklein (talk) 18:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Mary Conway Kohler Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Henrybardklein, your draft currently has a single reference. This reference reads "SSC-MS-00282, Sophia Smith Collection, Mary Conway Kohler, Biographical Note, Smith College, Northampton, MA: See full Biographical Note." (You added it 11 minutes after posting the message above.) As I understand this, the reader is expected to ask Smith College for item SSC-MS-00282, which is a "Biographical Note" about MCK, and should then "See full Biographical Note". This is already somewhat strange: If I'm invited to read, say "What is it like to be a bat?", I don't expect then to be immediately told to see the full "What is it like to be a bat?" More problematically, if, after all the time you've spent on this draft you can cite no more than a single, unpublished biographical note about the subject, this suggests a lack of "notability" as understood within and for Wikipedia. Until you demonstrate this notability, this won't be promoted from draft to article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I am feeling my way in wikipedia, and still not secure. I have many citations about this person, but I haven't completed the profile yet. What you saw was the first paragraphs of what will be a longer and fuller article. As for the Smith Library citation that you mention - I am glad you have raised it. I am not sure the best way to present it. Smith's bio of my subject includes important information and I would like readers to see it. I welcome suggestions. Henrybardklein (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I formatted the source for you earlier this morning, take a look. Theroadislong (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, my name is Keith and my first page was deleted. "Hi Keith"

I have a wish that a wiki admin or wiki pro slaps me in the back of the head and say, "this is how you create a user page idiot" or "I had my first page deleted also." Contact me if you are that person. CrowdedMusic (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CrowdedMusic and welcome to the Teahouse. As well as following the useful links from your talk page, I suggest you read WP:YFA to understand what is acceptable on Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Your draft User:CrowdedMusic/sandbox was Speedy deleted as promotional and/or misusing Wikipedia as a webhost. You can contact the Administrator User:Fastily who did that to ask to recover content. In passing, read WP:UP for what is and is not appropriate for a User page, WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft, and WP:AUTO for why Wikipedia strongly recommends no attempts at autobiography. David notMD (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@CrowdedMusic I have nominated the logo you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for 'speedy deletion'. If you genuinely are the owner of Crowded Music, you appear to have given everyone the right to use your company logo as they see fit. That would seem quite daft, to be honest.

But if you are not the copyright owner, then you had no right to upload a trade-marked logo and release it for others to use as they see fit. We take copyright violations very seriously, and always default on the side of protecting copyright holders, rather than allowing stuff to be uploaded and released unlawfully.

If you genuinely wish to relinquish control by releasing it on Wikimedia Commons, please follow the advice given at the Interactive Release Generator tool. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

OP has been blocked as a promotion-only account. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

My content about Mary Conway Kohler that I worked on for two hours is gone

Why has mny content been removed? Henrybardklein (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Henrybardklein. You saved Draft:Mary Conway Kohler 48 minutes before the above post. If you wrote more later then then you never saved it. A version from 2023 was deleted in April. Is that what you refer to and do you want it restored? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

You might want to turn on Special:EditRecovery in your preferences, in the Editor section of the Editing tab. This helps save work that might otherwise be lost. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Teletype powered on.

In the article about the Model 33 Teletype, I found "The sole electric motor in the machine has to be left running continuously whenever unattended operation is expected, and is designed to withstand many hours of idling."

As a former technician who used to overhaul various models of Teletype equipment, I can state this is false. Generally, the machine would be powered down and power up automatically when a connection was being made to it. This was the case in both dial up services, such as Telex or TWX and also for polled circuits. In other situations, such as when used as a computer terminal, it would be manually turned on or off, as needed. The only machines I ever saw that were always on were the ones on circuits where there was a lot of traffic, such as in a major telegraph office. 2607:FEA8:4C82:5900:76D4:35FF:FE5B:F5FA (talk) 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The claim has no reference, and I can't find anything to support it in the manual or anywhere else, so I'd say remove it. The article is unprotected, so you can make the removal yourself if you'd like. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with WelpThatWorked, that you can remove the claim, I'd like to make clear that the reason that you can remove it is that it is unsupported by a source, not because you believe it to be false. If the claim were supported by what appeared to be a reliably published source, then you should not remove it, though you would be welcome to open a discussion on the article's talk page arguing for removing it. ColinFine (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Trouble understanding citation style

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and learning quite a bit about how to contribute. I was searching for Stoic Philosophy, and came across Stoicism: A Very Short Introduction. The citation is unlike the usual... upon further inspection, I couldn't find the reference that are given, on google nor on Harvard's database. Perhaps, I don't know how to access such references/Citations... I could use a hand. Thank you. Usrp12 (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Usrp12, welcome to the Teahouse. The links under "Citations" are supposed to go to works under "Bibliography". I have fixed that.[4] Does that answer your question? This citation system is usually only used when the same work is referenced multiple times with different page numbers. It's a bit pointless to use it in Stoicism: A Very Short Introduction. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Usrp12 (talk) 22:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Harvard refs and shortened footnotes don't take ref name markup as in <ref name="Whatever2024">. I've removed the unnecessary ref names, converted the cites to the shortened footnote format (sfn), and added urls that link to PDFs of the references. Carlstak (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I did this before I read all of PrimeHunter's reply. I'm leaving them as is—maybe someday the article will have more cites.;-) Carlstak (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about account merging

On Wikipedia:User access levels, it says one of the permissions is "centralauth-merge", in which a user can merge their account, whether IP-based or signed in. Does that mean that if I create an account, I could move all my contributions and my talk page to that account? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No, edits cannot be reassigned from an IP address to an account. All you can do is write on the IP page and user page that you are the same person. This is permitted and no evidence is required. centralauth-merge hasn't been relevant since the mw:SUL finalisation in 2015. All accounts which could be merged were merged back then. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

ok 24.115.255.37 (talk) 21:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

What does the cross symbol mean?

Hi, I'm sorry if this a dumb question but what does the cross symbol mean if its next to someone's name? I figured that it was that they died but no, I was recently reading the article of List of Major League Baseball no-hitters and I noticed players like Randy Johnson, Nolan Ryan, and JT Realmuto have the cross, despite being very much alive. So I'm just wondering what it means, and what does the Orthodox (?) cross that I sometimes see mean as well? Creamymemes5 (talk) 23:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Creamymemes5: Just above the lists is a key which explains the symbols. Click on List of Major League Baseball no-hitters#Key and you will be taken straight there. DuncanHill (talk) 23:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, those marks aren't really crosses, Orthodox or otherwise. See Dagger (mark) for more information. —Wasell^(T) 05:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Creamymemes5 (talk) 15:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about reliable sources

1. Mike runs a news site that Wikipedia considers a reliable source. If Mike publishes an article to his site, and then cites said article in Wikipedia, does that violate WP:OR?

2. John is a person who is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. Can John edit his own article to add information about himself with no sources to back it up? And would something written by John himself be a valid source for that article?

24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Answer to the second: No, he has a conflict of interest and is discouraged to edit the article. However, he can request edits using {{cOI edit request}}. Unsourced information to a biography of a living person is subject to removal. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

For (1) The cite can be be added if it follows the guidelines at WP:SELFCITE

For (2) everything must be sourced. It is OK to use something written by John, with some restrictions, see WP:ABOUTSELF. Editing an article about yourself is not prohibited but is strongly discouraged, per WP:AUTO RudolfRed (talk) 03:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Tommy Roberts' biograpy

I was I, in 1970, who created and opened the "Mr. Feed'em" restaurant in the basement of the shop at Kensington Church Street. I was the American lady who created the menus, Hired and trained the staff (and cooks)and ran the restaurant's day-to-day operations. Until, that was, until Mr.Roberts decided to change the concept from an American-style restaurant to a more "eclectic' atmosphere, with circus entertainers. Media people from all over the U.K. came to interview and write about me. I was called "AmyTosi-Lady Feed'em" back then Lady Fiona C.A. Cortland (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

What is your question? We need to know more to help you. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be a request to add information to Tommy Roberts (designer) and Mr Freedom (fashion). We would need some reliable sources to do so. —Wasell^(T) 05:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Both of those articles acknowledge a restaurant "Mr. Feed'em" in the basement of the Mr Freedom clothing store, circa 1970-72. If you have copies of one or more publications that name you as the restaurant creator/manager, to be used as references, that information can be added to those articles. David notMD (talk) 10:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

"Talk:" page locked

• cannot reply on Talk:Anthony Fauci
• CHANGE: Anthony Fauci
• FROM: His paternal grandparents, Antonino Fauci and Calogera Guardino, were from Sciacca
• TO: His paternal grandparents, Antonino Fauci and Calogera Guardino, were from Sciacca, Sicily

98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The talk page itself is not locked, the article is. Please read WP:EDITREQUEST to make an edit request in Talk:Anthony Fauci. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cowboygilbert: The talk page Talk:Anthony_Fauci is semi-protected.

OP: I have added the link you suggested. RudolfRed (talk) 04:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, {{pp}} was not added by the protecting admin. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Little question

now i have visited these articles >

• Introduction
• Contributing to Wikipedia
• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page
• How to create your first article
• Simplified Manual of Style

can i start editing now? UnKnownrNone (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@UnKnownrNone: Of course! You could edit before, too – there's no requirement to read any of our information pages, but I hope reading them gave you a helpful overview of how to contribute. Tollens (talk) 06:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

yeah that's why i visited each and every articles for beginners by the way thanks sir for reviewing my question UnKnownrNone (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

How to apply for a user block? If that uses multiple accounts (sock)?

Hey!! I am Roberthooke003 ,
Q.-1)Over the past few days, I have noticed a concerning trend in the South Asian military history articles on Wikipedia. A significant number of articles that are of relatively low importance are being rapidly created and then promptly deleted. What is particularly noteworthy is the speed at which these articles are appearing and disappearing. The root cause that I have identified behind this issue is the persistent vandalism of existing articles by certain users. I have compiled a list of names that should be closely monitored and considered for inclusion on a list of frequent vandals. I have observed accounts of a few users that are sock of each other -User:Rawn3012
-User:Mohammad Umar Ali
-User:Ratnahastin
-User:Based.kashmiri(Sock already blocked)
-User:Padfoot2008
-User: BHUPENDRA JOGI

How does this kind of sock accounts get blocked? How can I apply for their permanent block? These users continuously vandalising the south asian millitary history articles.
Q-2)How to Save any article from external attacks? How can I protect any article from being edited by any of these users?

It will be good if anyone suggests the solution regarding the Problem. Thanks!!! Roberthooke003 (talk) 06:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Roberthooke003 Please read Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations for instructions. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Sandbox

Can you grant permission to edit every single sandbox (and viewing it in a type of library)? 217.165.100.33 (talk) 09:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Please explain how you think that would assist you in helping us to build an encyclopedia. Or are you WP:not here to do that? Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Real Kerala Story - (Submission rejected on 17 June 2024)

Write an article related to an important topic in Kerala Also published, many references were included in these articles.

But it went to Deletetion Discuss where it failed and was taken back to Drafit where the article was developed. But today it has been rejected its entry into the main space and Kerala is also affected by this article. Spworld2 (talk) 10:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Spworld2: Your draft has been rejected because it appears to be an essay that states your opinion rather than a neutral Wikipedia article. Sentences in the draft such as The Real Kerala Story which tells the truth about Kerala in India say things such as "the truth". Wikipedia does not say things are "the truth" or not; we just publish what reliable sources say about the topic in a neutral way. Please read WP:NOTESSAY and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 10:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Article topic: Telling the truth about Kerala, not telling lies

"The Real Kerala Story" is a common name if you search on Google you will get many references about it, some are given there, this is not written as an essay, some subtitles are included in it to make it clear to the readers of the article.

This is a story about Kerala but it is not a documentary or a movie

The political controversies about Kerala are falsely framed and published as a film-like controversy, and this is a protest phrase, 'The Real Kerala Story', which is a collective name for a group of events currently taking place in Kerala. Spworld2 (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Spworld2, your draft would be easier to understand if it started by making it clear that it's critical of the film The Kerala Story, and giving that link. If you read that Wikipedia article on the film, you'll see that it says, in its first paragaph, "Marketed as a true story, the film is premised on the Hindutva conspiracy theory of "love jihad", and falsely claims that thousands of Hindu women from Kerala have been converted to Islam and recruited in the Islamic State." Maproom (talk) 13:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Depth and secondary articles

I am developing an article for a subject that has been covered by tech news sites, a published research paper and by financial institutions. The reviewers reject the draft. Please advise on which sources exactly are acceptable. Madingaizi (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: The article in question appears to be Draft:FinanceGPT. The review note says that "the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

• in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
• reliable
• secondary
• strictly independent of the subject.

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting."

Each of those bullet points is linked to guidelines that describe what the requirements are. Please read through those, then come back and ask if you have any specific questions.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping (just in case): @Madingaizi GoldRomean (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Blocked IPs cannot purge page??

Hi there,

I was trying to purge my userpage on a shared IP which was blocked, and hit the "purge" button, but it just shows the Blocked page. Is this possible to be changed? It's very frustrating. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 13:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Myrealnamm, if an IP address has been blocked, it's been blocked for a reason, and shouldn't be able to edit, or puge, or anything else. As you have an account, why not use that to purge? Maproom (talk) 14:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

But doesn't purge just show the newest version of something? Does it edit Wikipedia? I was showing my friend something on their computer and they had to purge it. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It's debatable whether or not it "edits" Wikipedia, but it can certainly change the contents of a page, if for example that page transcludes a template or image which has been changed. So it is potentially changing the stored information which gets displayed. ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Purging a page may change what you see in your browser after it is purged, but does not change content located on any Wikimedia page server, i.e. does not change the stored content of the page. Mathglot (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Purging refers to Help:Purge and it does often change what is stored on our servers. It doesn't change the stored wikitext of a page but it can change how the page is currently rendered for everybody, not just the user who made the purge. It's not the same as a browser reloading a page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, if you hit "purge" and hit yes, it will force the current version to appear for everybody the next time you open the page? Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 21:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow. It does. I just tried with a guest browsing window, hit purge from there, and it also changes what I see (from testing at User:Myrealnamm/Guestbook with the Wikipedia ad), and in fact, it shows the same ad for everyone. I never knew that! Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 21:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

List symbols?

I'm trying to improve List of festivals in California. Some of these festivals are no longer celebrated or have been cancelled indefinitely. What are those list symbols used to indicate such festivals, and is there a template? Thanks, TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know, but I don't see the need for that level of detail in the list, since the reader simply needs to click on the appropriate link to determine whether that festival is current, e.g. the Gilroy Garlic Festival article begins: The Gilroy Garlic Festival was a food festival.... Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: {{Dagger}} is sometimes used to indicate something in lists. The meaning has to be explained on the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

What's the meaning of DEM in German?

What's a description? 151.44.190.139 (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Deutsche Mark Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Which infobox do you use for an orchard?

I'm trying to write an article about a local orchard. I've found plenty of significant coverage from independent sources and have yet to implement them. However, I'm not sure which kind of infobox I should use. Do I use {{Infobox farm}} or {{Infobox company}}? Thanks, TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 16:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi TrademarkedTWOrantula,

If the information you've gleaned from sources fits into most or all of the variables for {{infobox farm}} then that is what I'd go for, but really it's not too important which infobox you use, since the reader isn't going to see that. Interestingly, National Fruit Collection is an orchard open to visitors, that uses {{infobox park}}. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Gaza Famine...

I don't know what to do here. But given this article - https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806739 The whole notion of Gaza Strip famine built on a foundation of dubious references that have been debunked. Not sure where to go what to do with this so asking for advice. MaskedSinger (talk) 18:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Were they really debunked and well-refuted, or did you just find an article that disagrees with them? jlwoodwa (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) There are currently 370 cited sources for that article, not all of which are likely "dubious". You have already made a comment on the Talk Page of the article expressing your concern, and that is the correct venue. I suggest you point out which sources you consider least valid and seek consensus for what changes are needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for starting over

I have had a history of being banned for what I didn't think was vandalism, and every time I had a good intention, to combat vandalism. My last ban, roughly in October, ended a month ago. Could I do a fresh start? I have had roughly six or seven accounts, and three IP bans. I would be fine if I am not allowed to contribute. Also, could I make an account or am I forever doomed to not have one? I have reviewed the Wikipedia essays on fresh starts and vandalism. 2603:8000:E600:C0A4:F526:8D66:BCAF:3CBB (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Any user in good standing who has no active or unexpired sanctions and who is not being or about to be formally discussed for their conduct, may have a clean start. […] Any user who has currently active bans, blocks or other sanctions imposed […] or is currently or about to be formally discussed for their conduct […] or is attempting to evade scrutiny, may not have a clean start.
— Wikipedia:Clean start § Criteria

If you are not currently banned or blocked on any of your accounts, you may create a new account. Otherwise, you should disclose all accounts you have edited under, and submit an unblock request or unban request as appropriate. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Tiffatk3

Isn’t this a COI? They have been asking for help on how to make an article about Tifanny Dawn Atkins which seems to be similar to their name. I want to warn them for COI, but I am hesitant. They disruptively edited here [5] but that‘s it. Is that good enough to issue a warn? I’ve only been here for like 3 months so I’m still unsure. Cheers, 48JCL 22:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)