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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on November 28

DGF Flensborg

• ...that the German football club Dansk Gymnastik Forening Flensborg, founded in 1923, is a club of the Danish minority of Southern Schleswig? new article, self-nom, EA210269 (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

University of Arkansas Community College at Hope

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Plymouth Sound, Shores and Cliffs

Crownhill Bay

• ... that Plymouth Sound, Shores and Cliffs has units of rock showing the lower to early Middle Devonian period, laid 417–354 million years ago? New article created by myself. Jolly Janner (talk) 00:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. Ref 1 checks out. – RyanCross (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27

Rahul Raj encounter

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• The article is currently at an AfD, so we'd have to wait until the AfD is closed before proceeding. Also, the hook needs to contain the article link in bold font. Nsk92 (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• I bolded it accordingly. Art LaPella (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
• Article created on November 22 moved from November 22 to November 27 to account for the five-days of the AfD that toll the DYK nom date. -- Suntag ☼ 05:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

HMS Edgar (1779)

• ... that the Royal Navy ship of the line HMS Edgar was forced to fight unsupported for a time in the Battle of Copenhagen after the next ship in line, HMS Agamemnon, ran aground?

OR

• ... that the crew of the Royal Navy ship of the line HMS Edgar, a veteran of three naval battles, mutinied in 1808, but backed down under the threat of musket fire from the ship's marines?

Self-nom, 5x+ expansion today. Martocticvs (talk) 00:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• "a veteran of three naval battles" is confusing and not necessary. I prefer the first hook anyway. Yomangani^talk 01:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Handlebar Club

Template:DYKsuggestion 23:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Zhao Jing (Tang Dynasty)

• ... that the career of the Tang Dynasty official Zhao Jing was launched after he received praise for his petition for frugality for the funerals of Emperor Xuanzong and Emperor Suzong? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Ueli Maurer

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

All That Glitters (TV series)

• ... that Norman Lear's 1977 soap opera spoof All That Glitters featured Linda Gray as the first recurring transgender character on American television? OR
• ... that to prepare for her role as the first recurring transgender television character on American television on the 1977 series All That Glitters, Linda Gray met with a transsexual woman? OR
• ... that Norman Lear's 1977 soap opera spoof All That Glitters was called "blasphemous" because its theme song stated that God was female?

Self-nom 5x expansion over the last two days. I prefer either the first or third hook. Otto4711 (talk) 21:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Per Carlotta this actress played a transwoman on Australian TV in 1973 but I can't tell whether it was a recurring character, but to be accurate I modified hooks one and two slightly. Otto4711 (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Odontochelys

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alt: ... that the oldest known turtle species is the 220 million year-old Odontochelys, which had teeth and only half a shell? Yomangani^talk 01:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman–Safavid War (1623–1639)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Date and length of the article verified, two off-line refs accepted per WP:AGF. Nsk92 (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

McColo

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Narrows Bridge (Perth)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alt image: Image:Narrows Bridge, Perth.jpg. - Mark 15:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Tobacco smoke enema

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Why "near-drowned" and not "drowned"? Yomangani^talk 12:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• According to our article on drowning, drowned people are dead and can't be resuscitated. Near drowning, according to our article, "is the survival of a drowning event involving unconsciousness or water inhalation". But either variant is all right with me.  Sandstein  13:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Riccardo Cassin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• • Date and length of the article verified, off-line ref accepted per WP:AGF, interesting hook. A recommendation to the nominator: the subject is almost 100 years old (will be 100 old in a little more than a month), so you may want to add some more recent references confirming that he is still alive. There are actually quite a few articles about him now in the Italian press, preparing to celebrate his 100's birthday (e.g. [1]), and it may be a good idea to add a few of them to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sphaerobolus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Pat Austin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Asher Lopatin

Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Christina Milian (album)

Template:DYKsuggestion Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 04:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

National Park Community College

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Timeline of the 1914 Atlantic hurricane season

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26

Patuxet tribe

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Olivia (2006)

• ... that 2006's Tropical Storm Olivia was the eighth tropical cyclone to receive the name Olivia in the Eastern Pacific ocean? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 03:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Washington Wizards head coaches

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alt1... that although no Washington Wizards head coach has been elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach, four have been elected as players? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Karl Bissinger

Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Alexandria, Virginia)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Beverly Hills Diet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Williamsport and North Branch Railroad

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Ludvik Buland

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Henry C. Wayne

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Seth Kinman

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Convincing Ground massacre

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Dudley Savage

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• I assume that "40,000 petitions" is a typo. To keep the length down, maybe: ... that after organist Dudley Savage's radio request programme was cancelled in 1968, the BBC faced a protest described as "perhaps the biggest demonstration of its kind"? Yomangani^talk 12:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Shigeko Higashikuni

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Suggest: "current Emperor Akihito of Japan" --> "Akihito, the reigning Emperor of Japan". We don't have another Emperor Akihito in the past, do we? --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Tom Collins

Template:DYKsuggestion on 17:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• • Expansion and refs all check out; unlike most articles on drinks, this is well-referenced and not full of OR! Verified. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Evolution: The Musical!

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

John Thompson Whitaker

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Added some links. --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

John Marius Trana

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

My impression that the dates are statsy for a hook – 1941-1945 is that the occ of Norway or his term of office? and could it just be: "went from... in WWII to being chairman... in 1945? Julia Rossi (talk) 03:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

It could. If you want to give the green light to a hook without the years, go ahead. Punkmorten (talk) 09:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Six-day racing

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 25

Buckskin Joe, Colorado

Template:DYKsuggestion Truthanado (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Germania stamp

Template:DYKsuggestion Ekem (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• Date and length verified, foreign-language ref OK, interesting hook. I took the liberty of changing "William II" to "Wilhelm II" in the hook, as the more standardly used name for Wilhelm II, German Emperor. Nsk92 (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Shagreen ray

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Hesketh Hesketh-Prichard

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• The refs for each of these are scattered amongst the body of the text and can be verified by anyone dedicated. To help out, they might like to read this article from firstworldwar.com, which mentions them all in its first paragraphs. However, I have not directly referenced that page in the article due to its disclaimer that it has not been peer reviewed. That said, I find nothing wrong with it having read the definitive biography on Hesketh-Prichard. — BillC ^talk 18:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• And those with even less time to spare can just read the title of that biography: Hesketh Prichard D.S.O., M.C.: Explorer, Naturalist, Cricketer, Author, Soldier: A Memoir.  :) — BillC ^talk 18:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Jacques-Désiré Laval

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the missionary priest Jacques-Désiré Laval (pictured) is said to have converted 67,000 Mauritians to Roman Catholicism? Alekjds ^talk 03:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT2... that Jacques-Désiré Laval (pictured), the "Apostle of Mauritius", slept in a packing crate as a missionary and was the first person beatified in the pontificate of Pope John Paul II? Cbl62 (talk) 06:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Nights in Rodanthe (novel)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the names of the main two characters of American author Nicholas Sparks' 2002 novel Nights in Rodanthe are a Christmas present to his in-laws? --Efe (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

List of New Orleans Saints head coaches

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Betty James

• ... that Betty James came up with the name of the Slinky toy created by her husband, Richard T. James, and ran the business for decades after he left her and their six children to live in Bolivia? -- new article (was redirect), self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Bar-winged Prinia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length and expansion date verified, hook offline reference accepted IGF. Jamie^☆S93 16:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Monarchies in the Americas

• ... that there are currently ten monarchies in the Americas, which all have Elizabeth II as their head of state? -- new article self-nom by --Cameron* 20:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggest moving/re-naming to "Monarchies in the Americas". --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone's done so. I've updated things here. — BillC ^talk 02:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Bovista

• ... that puffballs (fungal genus Bovista, pictured) may spread their spores by detaching from the ground and being blown around? -- new article self-nom by Sasata (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani general election, 1993

• ... that both the Prime Minister and President of Pakistan resigned in order for the 1993 Pakistani general election to be held, after a power struggle between them? New article, self nom. Davewild (talk) 20:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Esma Sultana Mansion

• ... that Esma Sultana Mansion (built in 1875), a multipurpose event venue in Istanbul, Turkey, looks like ruined (pictured) because it was renowned at the interior only after it suffered a fire in 1975? New article, self nom by CeeGee (talk) 19:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• I think he means ... that Esma Sultana Mansion (built in 1875), a multipurpose event venue in Istanbul, Turkey, looks ruined (pictured) because there was a fire in 1975, and the reconstruction preserved the exterior? Art LaPella (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
• I can hardly realize the difference in the meaning. OK, as you like. I added the image for better understanding. CeeGee (talk) 05:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Fairfield Grammar School

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Article length, date, and hook referencing verified, all looks good. Jamie^☆S93 03:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Saxbe fix

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

.44 Colt

• ... that the .44 Colt revolver cartridge was used in both percussion and centerfire and both black and smokeless powder loadings? New article, self nom TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 17:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the .44 Colt revolver cartridge was offered with both black and smokeless powder loadings until around 1940? New article, self nomTREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 17:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Keep typing, Trekphiler! You need 1500 characters of plain text to qualify for DYK. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles Gough (artist)

• ... that the death of Charles Gough was depicted in poetry and art by Walter Scott, William Wordsworth, Francis Danby and Edwin Landseer (Landseer's portrait pictured)? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Article length and creation date verified, and hook facts are referenced to offline sources (accepted IGF). Image PD license verified as well. Jamie^☆S93 15:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Fred McAlister

• ... that of the players selected by Fred McAlister and the St. Louis Cardinals in the first round of the Major League Baseball Draft, 12 out of 13 made it to play in the major leagues? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Those not familiar with baseball would not understand that what McAlister achieved is a remarkable feat. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Any thoughts on how to make that point using the material available? I will try to come up with improved wording myself. Alansohn (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried. No good ideas yet. --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucienne Bréval

Lucienne Bréval

• ... that in spite of her great reputation in Europe, operatic soprano Lucienne Bréval had limited success in America as critics thought her singing lacked polish? five fold expansion self nom.Nrswanson (talk) 14:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

WIXI

• ... that, according to station personnel, radio station WIXI in Jasper, Alabama, was haunted by a ghost for nearly 30 years? five-fold expanded article, self nom by Dravecky (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

"According to station personnel", eh? Pls add this to the hook. It's hard to verify the presence of ghosts. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, per suggestion. - Dravecky (talk) 20:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that employees at radio station WIXI in Jasper, Alabama, have reported for more than 30 years that their radio studios are haunted by a ghost? five-fold expanded article, self nom by Dravecky (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

First Battle of Mount Hermon and Second Battle of Mount Hermon

• ... that Mount Hermon (pictured) was captured by Syria on the first day of the Yom Kippur War and recaptured by Israel fifteen days later? new articles, self noms. -- Nudve (talk) 11:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Sohan Qadri

right|100x100px|Sohan Qadri after initiation in Jalandar, 1953

• ... that the luminous paintings of yogi Sohan Qadri (pictured), who was called "a saintly man from whom an aura emanates" by artist F.N. Souza, result from deep states of meditation? five-fold expansion by Payaluttam (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 07:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Is that picture taken in 1953 really free? --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I was going by the license on the photo indicating it is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. It's a great image if we can us it. Cbl62 (talk) 06:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

This article is full of paintings by Sohan Qadri which Payaluttam uploaded with the same licenses. I suspect (1) the wrong licenses are used, or (2) this article is nicely decorated with blatant copyright violations, or (3) Sohan Qadri and Payaluttam are the same person, violating WP:AUTO. --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this looks like either a major copyvio case or WP:AUTO or both. Wikipedia:Non-free content specifically says that non-free images of living people should not be used in articles about them and that fair use is not applicable to such images. The article contains a number of photographs of Sohan Qadri of questionable origin, for the years 1953, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1973. It seems rather unlikely that User:Payaluttam is the creator and copyright holder of these pictures, unless User:Payaluttam and Sohan Qadri are the same person. Either way, unsuitable for the going to the main page. Nsk92 (talk) 16:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Those seem like valid reasons not to take a chance on featuring the image on the Main Page. I will send a note to Payaluttam asking him to verify the copyright status of teh images. But, all that said, Payaluttam has put a tremendous effort into building what looks to me like a solid, well-sourced article about a pretty fascinating character. Someone else should decide since I nominated the article, but I'd say ding the picture but not the hook. The quote in the hook is cited to a mainstream art publication, and the person making the comment (F.N. Souza) is himself a very well-known and respected Indian artist.Cbl62 (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Payaluttam responded to my question on his talk page. He says he is writing the article for a New York gallery, Sundaramtagore. He states that the gallery does own the copyright on the images. While that may solve the copyright issue, it does suggest that the author has a financial interest in promoting Qadri's work. Even though I think the article is quite good, I think we probably ought not to feature it on the Main Page, as it may be construed as an advertisement for the author/gallery. Oh well. Cbl62 (talk) 05:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the copyright issue, if the gallery indeed owns the copyrights to these photos, there is a specific process to follow. I am not an expert on our copyright plicy, but my understanding is that the gallery would either have to post a notice on its own website explicitly releasing the copyright to these photos or to contact WMF directly with this information. The licence files for the images would have to be modified too. Nsk92 (talk) 13:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Roger Hooker Leavitt

• ... that the home of Massachusetts abolitionist Roger Hooker Leavitt was a sanctuary for escaped slaves and is now included in the National Underground Railroad Network to Freedom? new article by MarmadukePercy (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs)

Sunburst community

• ... that the Sunburst community, a Southern California commune combining elements of mysticism, Christianity and Hopi rituals, was once one of the largest shippers of organic products in the U.S.? new article by ColdPopTart (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs)

  Hook is 201 characters! I'm sure you can find a place to get rid of a singular character. \ / (⁂) 04:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• I shortened United States to U.S., no point waiting. ;) \ / (⁂) 04:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Tom Gish

• ... that Tom Gish was co-owner of The Mountain Eagle, the first newspaper in eastern Kentucky to challenge the damage caused to the environment resulting from strip mining? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 03:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Tom Gish's newspaper The Mountain Eagle was the first newspaper in eastern Kentucky to challenge the damage caused to the environment resulting from strip mining? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Capillaria aerophila

• ... that the nematode Capillaria aerophila is a parasite that infests the respiratory system of dogs, cats and foxes? -- new article by Mgrien (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24

Shugborough inscription

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Kjell Almskog

Template:DYKsuggestion 09:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Albert Teveodjré

• ... that Albert Teveodjré once had a monopoly on journalism in Dahomey? New article by ~the editorofthewiki ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 11:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

List of NFC Champions

• ... that American football head coach Dick Vermeil coached two NFC championship teams 19 years apart—the 1980 Philadelphia Eagles and the 1999 St. Louis Rams? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Clarence W. W. Mayhew

• ... that architect Clarence W. W. Mayhew, known as an innovator of the contemporary ranch house in California, admitted copying "the underlying principle" from Japanese architecture? new article by Binksternet (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 00:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Glenn S. Dumke

• ... that Glenn Dumke was the chancellor of California State University from 1962–1982, during which time it became the largest system of higher education in the United States with 319,000 students? new article by Dwalls (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 00:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Kleptoplasty

• ... that organisms exhibiting kleptoplasty retain active chloroplasts from the algae on which they feed, providing the new host with the products of photosynthesis? -- Article expanded tenfold and self-nom by — Scientizzle 22:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

St John the Baptist's Church, Crawley

• ... that whenever Punch founding editor Mark Lemon worshipped at St John the Baptist's Church, Crawley (pictured), he had to sit in the gallery because no pews in the nave were large enough to accommodate him? ~ New article (another church ... but not in Brighton & Hove) self-nom by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC).

Kirby Laing

• ... that Sir Kirby Laing served as Deputy Lieutenant of London and Hertfordshire?
• or ... that Sir Kirby Laing was the fifth member of the Laing Family to join John Laing plc?
• or ... that Sir Kirby Laing visited his father, Sir John Laing's, construction sites during the school holidays? new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 21:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

December Bride (Roseanne episode)

• ... that ABC moved the Roseanne episode "December Bride", that featured a same-sex wedding, from its usual broadcast time slot to one 90 minutes later, citing the episode's "adult humor"? - new article, self-nom, moved to article space this date. Otto4711 (talk) 20:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

David Hoadley (businessman)

• ... that David Hoadley (pictured right) restructured management of the Panama Railway so that it avoided bankruptcy and finished its track a year early? - new article (selfnom) Tim1965 (talk) 18:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggest cropping off the signature. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ira Needles

• ... that the second chancellor of the University of Waterloo, Ira Needles, founded the university in 1957 with Gerald Hagey, who was the president of Waterloo College at the time? Gary King (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
• ALT:... that Ira Needles co-founded the University of Waterloo in 1957 with Gerald Hagey, and later served as the university's second chancellor? --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Mystery (lugger) and Spirit of Mystery

• ... that a group of seven Cornish fishermen sailed to Australia in the lugger Mystery in 1854–55?
  
• ... and that the journey is now being recreated in a replica boat, the Spirit of Mystery? Double self-nom, two new articles created on 24 November by Mjroots (talk)

Thorbjørn Egners lesebøker

• ... that Thorbjørn Egners lesebøker, a series of readers for the Norwegian primary school, took the author 25 years to complete, but were made largely obsolete the year the last book was published? --new article, self-nom by -- Lampman (talk) 14:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Vakkom Moulavi

• ... that Vakkom Moulavi was founder and publisher of the legendary newspaper Swadeshabhimani which was banned and confiscated in 1910 by the Government of Travancore due to its criticisms against the government and the Diwan , P.Rajagopalachari? -- new article,self-nom by -- Tinu Cherian - 12:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  Hook is 242 characters (Needs to be less than 200) \ / (⁂) 12:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  ALT2: ... that Vakkom Moulavi was the founder of the newspaper Swadeshabhimani which was banned by the Government of Travancore due to its criticisms against the government and the Diwan P. Rajagopalachari? -- Tinu Cherian - 12:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  Comment: Hook is now 196 characters with spaces. -- Tinu Cherian - 16:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Wakamiya Ōji

Wakamiya Ōji's Ichi no Torii

• ... that in Japan during the Muromachi period in February the shogun's representative would go to Kamakura's Wakamiya Ōji Avenue to walk seven times around a certain Shinto gate? - new article self-nominated urashimataro (talk) 05:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  Hook, Length and Date Verified, offline citation IGF \ / (⁂) 08:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Pls note that there was no "February" in the Japanese calendar back then. The second month of the Japanese calendar does not match the February in the western calendar till after the Meiji reforms in the late 19th century. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
• ALT: ... that during the Muromachi era in Japan, the shogun would send a representative once a year to walk seven times around a certain Shinto gate in Wakamiya Ōji, Kamakura, Kanagawa? --74.14.19.69 (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
• The problem here I think is whether the word Nigatsu (February) in my Japanese source is lunar or gregorian. I have every reason to think it's gregorian, in which case my article is correct as it is. The book is scholarly and recent. The issue is however in this case not important. If the word February is suspicious to someone, it's fine to use the alternative offered. I will keep February in my article, though. urashimataro (talk) 04:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

You might want a footnote in the article to clarify what the source says. Nigatsu in the lunar calendar may be March in the western calendar. BTW, pls add "(pictured)" to the hook. --74.14.19.69 (talk) 18:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Already done. That is not exactly the same torii, but a later replacement. So, better not to add "pictured" to the sentence. urashimataro (talk) 01:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

"(current replacement pictured)"? --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Anthony Buttimer

• ... that German company Jako threatened to sue the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) when its referee Anthony Buttimer refused to allow Sligo Rovers wear their kit in a League of Ireland match?
  (new self-nominated article) --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 03:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is 218 characters. \ / (⁂) 04:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Removed "the German" from "the German sportswear manufacturer"... changed "match" to "game". In my opinion this takes away from the originality of this hook but if deadlines must be met... --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 12:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Changed "sportswear manufacturer" to "German company"... "game" back to "match"... I make that 202 characters... hopefully more acceptable... reduce it any more and it won't read well at all... --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 12:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• I've tweaked the hook from "an FAI League of Ireland" to "a League of Ireland" - should be 197 chars now. Mjroots (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Bahinabai

Vithoba

• ... that poetry of the Hindu female-saint Bahinabai (1628–1700 AD) reflects her compromise between her devotion to her husband and her patron-god Vithoba (statue pictured)? new article. self-nom. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

AD? That's very Christian, and not Hindu at all. Let's drop it. --74.14.20.203 (talk) 16:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

James Guthrie (American politician)

• ... that James Guthrie was Abraham Lincoln's first choice for Secretary of War, but he declined the position due to age and failing health? Self-nom; five-fold nomination began November 24 diff Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 23:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Megalictis ferox

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 23

The Life of Our Lord

• ... that the bestseller The Life of Our Lord was written for his children by English novelist Charles Dickens in 1849 but was not published until 1934, 64 years after his death? self-nom --Jack1956 (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• - The article only has one inline reference. A sufficient number of the 1,500 DYK characters should be sourced to independent, secondary sources. -- Suntag ☼ 05:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

In Tennessee, a town is an incorporated municipality. Nameless is not a town. --Orlady (talk) 05:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Exchange Plaza

Exchange Plaza rises above the Weld Club.

• ... that Exchange Plaza (pictured), the Western Australian state headquarters of the Australian Securities Exchange, is built on land owned by a historic gentlemen's club? -- de-stubbed (5x) self-nom by Mark 03:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• 5x expansion, date, and hook verified. -- Suntag ☼ 05:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucie Skeaping

• ... that Lucie Skeaping, one of the UK's foremost exponents of early music and described by the Daily Telegraph as "BBC's bawdy babe" thanks to her championship of 17th century broadside ballads, has also recorded and broadcast with contemporary composer Michael Nyman, historian Simon Schama and comedian Ken Dodd as well as being a leading exponent of klezmer music? (self-nom) Guy (Help!) 00:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• 364 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lucie Skeaping, a leading exponent and broadcaster on early music, has also worked with contemporary composer Michael Nyman, historian Simon Schama and comedian Ken Dodd? - better? It's the incredible range of what she does that I think is interesting. Guy (Help!) 09:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, that version is better length-wise. (Any rule is debatable, but it's been years since I saw anyone approve a 364 character hook.) Art LaPella (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Regelia

• ... that the plant genus Regelia is named after the 19th-century Russian botanist Eduard August von Regel and is found only in Australia? -- five-fold, expanded article with new pic, self nominated by -- Earthdirt (talk) 00:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Article is too short at 1213 bytes of prose; needs to be 1500+. — BillC ^talk 02:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

František Mrázek

• ... that assassinated Czech controversial entrepreneur František Mrázek covertly influenced Czech politics for almost twenty years? -- new article, created by Vejvančický and Hrdinský, self-nom by --Vejvančický (talk) 08:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that only assassination prevented František Mrázek from covertly influencing Czech politics for twenty years? less adjectives (let them read the aticle) and make its clear that the manipulation came before his death/ Victuallers (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Agree. Btw, almost all citations are translated from Czech sources, it's probably the only English information about this topic... --Vejvančický (talk) 12:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Capillaria plica

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

John B. Grayson

• ... that General John B. Grayson (pictured) died three months after he joined the Confederate Army of pneumonia and tuberculosis, without fighting a single battle? Self-nom Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 21:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• John or James? --Vejvančický (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• John, Sorry. Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 13:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length and history verified; offline ref accepted IGF. Daniel Case (talk) 01:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I suggest alternate wording:

• [alt hook]... that General John B. Grayson (pictured) died of pneumonia and tuberculosis three months after he joined the Confederate Army, without fighting a single battle?

--Orlady (talk) 05:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Wales-England border

• ... that the border between Wales and England (picture shows the River Dee) originally followed Offa's Dyke in the 8th century, and was only finally determined in 1974? Self-nom, Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Could not find citation for last part of hook, and indeed it isn't even mentioned in the main text. Daniel Case (talk) 01:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

This fact is in the Monmouthshire section of the article. However, the sources are weak. The 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica is cited to describe the pre-1974 situation and the Local Government Act 1972 is the source cited for the change in 1974. Neither source fully supports the assertion that it was not finally determined until 1974. --Orlady (talk) 03:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on November 22

Walter Schmidt (SS officer)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• The subject of the article has questionable notability in terms of WP:BIO, a possible AfD candidate. Of the two footnotes one does not mention him and the other is a short entry from some sort of SS personell list. All of the information in the article comes from this personell list entry. Nsk92 (talk) 12:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

more refs added Jim Sweeney (talk) 09:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe one of the more experienced DYK regulars should take a look at this, but I still have several problems with this entry. There are 4 footnotes in the article, but none of them are books, magazine, journal or newspaper articles or any other media that usually qualifies as "published". Of the 4 footnotes given only three mention the subject by name. Of these three one[2] gives only a brief mention and two others[3][4] appear to be sites that collect all personell records of SS personell. This does not seem to me to qualify as in-depth coverage of the type that WP:BIO has in mind, but more in the nature of a comprehesive directory listing. Moreover, both of these personell records sites appear to be run by volunteer history enthusiasts, and I am not sure that they qualify as reliable sources under WP:V and WP:RS. The last reference (which does not mention the subject by name) casts further notability doubts here in its very first sentence:"The 38.SS, although a very obscure formation that never achieved anything near full division status, did actually see some combat, although nearly all written accounts of the division don't seem to mention this." When I see "very obscure" in the lead sentence, it does not exactly sound notable. I also have a more general concern about suitability of this entry for the main page DYK section. We are talking here about a mid-level Nazi military officer (who finished the war at the rank equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel) of the Waffen SS, the most notorious and infamous part of the Nazi war machine, that was responsible for tremendous atrocities, war crimes and crimes against humanity and that was condemned at the Nuremberg trials as a criminal organization. The hook provides information about this officer having received a Nazi military decoration. I don't know how many people will find that bit of information interesting, but I am fairly sure that a great many people will find what looks like an entry commending this SS officer's achievements quite offensive. I don't think this is suitable for the DYK section of the main page. Nsk92 (talk) 18:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• I notice there is an offline reference at the bottom - a book. Maybe inline citations for the book are all that's needed? Secondly, I'm not sure the hook is exactly 'commending' Schmidt for his actions, it is just stating that he was awarded a medal - for a pretty standard battalion movement by the sounds of it. The article doesn't glorify him in any particular way, and neither mention any atrocities in unacceptable detail. \ / (⁂) 20:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Intially, there was also another item listed as a "general reference" at the bottom, a book by Berger. However, another user looked it up, found that the book did not mention Schmidt, and removed it[5]. This leads me to believe that Fellgiebel's book is also just a general reference about SS, rather than a reference that has anything to do with Schmidt specifically. Regarding the other point, the hook, in effect, says, that Schmidt was a brave soldier and got an award for it. While that is not exactly glorification, it is certainly a positive hook that generally commends somebody for being a brave soldier. If we were talking about an ordinary military officer, even an officer of Wehrmacht, that would be fine. But in this case we are talking about an officer of Waffen SS, a criminal military organization, that was systematically involved in various atrocities against the civilian population in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, and other European countries, and that was also responsible for the worst Nazi war crimes. It is quite possible and even likely that Schmidt and his unit were involved in such crimes. Did his bravery involve burning down some villages in Rissia and Ukraine? The article does not say anything about it, but it certainly is a relevant piece of information to know for evaluating the overall balance of the article. Moreover, in Schmidt's case, he joined SS rather early, in 1935, which means that he was a committed Nazi from get-go. With an article about an SS officer, I would want to see a much better established case for notability, a much more complete information about his doings, and a less flattering hook, if it were to go to the main page. Nsk92 (talk) 22:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• / (outdent) - Length (1,797 DYK characters) and date (22 November 2008) verified. The hook wording is fine. However, the references appear to not be Wikipedia reliable sources and/or do not support the information posted to the article. This could be resolved via an explaination and reply from article creator Jim Sweeney. As for the mark, an admin judgment issue was raise as to whether Wikipedia should put SS Nazi articles on the Main Page. Actual posting to the Main Page is a decision made by an admin in exercising admin judgment under the Wikipedia:Administrators policy, not DYK. DYK Main Page content decisions are best addressed at Wikipedia talk:Did you know, which is monitored by the admins who post to the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 17:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• I have added the reference from the book quoted into the text (Elite of the Third Reich By Walther-Peer Fellgiebel) which covers the two awards the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross and the 2nd award of the Oakleaves. There have been other Waffen SS members in the DKY section Henri Joseph Fenet and Eugene Vaulot in recent weeks, so I can see no problem with the subject matter. Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• I don't read German, so I'm being more of a referee here. Nsk92 states that, other than Fellgiebel, the four footnotes in the article are not books, magazine, journal or newspaper articles. DYKs concern here would be that not enought of the 1,500 DYK characters come from Wikipedia reliable sources. If the sources are blogs and websites, then those sources should have a page that allows Wikipedia to confirm that they are "third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy"[6] or have been evaluated by Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. Nsk92 also appears to assert that the cited sources do not support the content listed in the article. DYKs concern would be that OR was needed to reach novel conclusions that are not in any of the sources and that too much of the article contains such novel conclusions. Please address these. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 18:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Survivor: Borneo

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• I'd just like to comment on the fivefold expansion. Five days ago on November 17, this article had 2240 bytes of prose. Right now, it has 12000 bytes of prose, so it's fine with respect to that. Gary King (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Then something must have happened in the intervening time, because it's only 10k now...about 1,000 characters short of 5x expansion. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• Here's the "something must have happened" edit. Art LaPella (talk) 06:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup, he removed a section. Please don't tell me that makes it ineligible to be used ;( iMatthew 14:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, that information deserved to be removed, which means it shouldn't have been there in the first place, which in turn means that the original 5x expansion was about 4x good material and 1x bad material, or the original expansion was not really appropriate. I don't know what the official rules are, but I don't think it should count as 5x expansion like this, and if it's not 5x expansion then it doesn't qualify. Also, it is quickly expiring. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 18:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Well why did the section need to be removed. There is a section on the Crew in Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 1) and all other Degrassi seasons 1-7. All of which are featured and haven't been removed. Can I re-add it? iMatthew 19:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't edit those kinds of articles so I'm not too familiar with the standards, but in the diff that Art LaPella linked to above, the removing editor provided a link to a standards sheet that I assume explains why a crew section is not meant to be included. As for other articles that have it, Other stuff exists explains our guidelines on that sort of thing. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I began a new thread here. Also, I completed expansion on the 22nd, but this was moved to the 21st, when I started. Can this be moved back up a day where it was, to allow 24 hours for responses there? iMatthew 19:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Although hooks under the wrong date aren't policed very well, #Instructions specifies "... within the last five days", so the clock starts when a new article or its expansion begins, not days (or years) later when the author still claims to be working on it. So "Articles created/expanded on November 21" has to mean "... beginning on November 21". However, you aren't out of time: see "Unwritten" Rule D7. Art LaPella (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I see. Well in the discussion it was decided to add a Production section instead of a Crew section. I'd like to add the tomorrow. If it's ok with everyone here, can I leave this nomination up one more day. It will have a new section, "Production" tomorrow. iMatthew 22:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a book on this season, which explains a lot about the production. This will be no problem to write, I just need one more day. I'd do it tonight, but I'm busy (Thanksgiving). iMatthew 22:49, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

• (outdent) Nevermind, I got it done just know. The article is back up to 5x expansion. Isn't it? iMatthew 00:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• 13000 bytes now, so that's 5x when compared to 2240 bytes on the 17th. Gary King (talk) 00:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• This hook is listed under "Articles created/expanded on November 21." Expansion from 6,515 DYK characters November 19th[7] to 12,848 DYK characters[8] is a 2x expansion. However, a 5x expansion needed. -- Suntag ☼ 05:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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