User talk:Callanecc

Hello!

Thank you for your kind messages! I am new here but I think I am getting the hang of this.

Best regards, Nexus000 (talk) 04:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Whisperback

Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 06:22, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

It's on...

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Callanecc Yunshui 雲‍水 09:12, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

100% destined to pass even on 3 December 2013. Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 09:09, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dave Sharma

Harrias ^talk 15:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest limit

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AFC/A

Yo Callanecc! I wonder if you can accept me as your first student in the AFC/A. I would want to be a AFC reviewer. I'm not sure about some the things listed in WP:AFC/A, like notability. I got screwed 3 times by notability. 3 of my created articles got deleted in the past due to notability. I do know how to find copyvios, spam and promotional articles. I am very familiar in those kind of counter-vandalism stuff, like good faith and all those (I work in CVUA as an instructor). I would like to start reviewing AFC, but not sure where to start. I have only a little knowledge of AFC. Would you guide me through in AFC/A? Thanks. I have way over 500 mainspace edits. I believe your job would be small here because I have a big grasp of counter-vandalism knowledge. This can also show people your talent, hey even nice during your RfA. JianhuiMobile ^talk 13:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The first step is to read the WP:GNG and WP:SNGs. It's also a good idea to have a good idea of when it'd be appropriate to tag a new article with {{db-a7}}, PROD it for notability concerns, take it to AFD or tag with with {{notability}}. WP:42 is also something which, in the beginning, is very helpful to understand and know when to apply.

However, it's probably better to wait until we see what the requirements are for reviewers. But in the meantime I'm happy to give advice if you want to have a look at some of the submissions. There are plenty there which don't meet the requirements of a myriad of other policies and so could be declined because of reasons even before notability needs to be considered. My suggestion would be that you just don't accept any. If you think I notability check is all that is holding it back then let me know and I'll have a look (though it'd probably be easier if you came to me with a few so I can talk about the differences in establishing between them. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:11, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I definitely know what is WP:42 and when to tag db-a7. A7 comes in when that article totally don't claim notability and has no significance. WP:42 is about what sources which are applicable to put. Facebook and blogs are not reliable sources. For AFD, I have only little experience in that. I have never ask for an article to be deleted in AFD or tag an article with notability isues because I am not very sure about that. Lots of new articles just look the same. I have been in NPP since July. For AFC, I am blur. JianhuiMobile ^talk 14:28, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

It's probably worth getting some experience at AFD before trying AFC, because that's the standard people expect of AFCs moved into mainspace. Read through the notability guidelines above, then find a few AFDs which have been nominated for notability concerns and read the comments of those voting to keep. This is probably the best way to find out about the application of notability.

In terms of the theory of notability (I should have said read WP:N more broadly not just the GNG) I think the WP:GNG does the best job of summing up what notability is and how it should be applied. But the best way to understand is to see it at action at AFD. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

So in simpler words, determining whether an article is notable is through looking at how well it is sourced? JianhuiMobile ^talk 14:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes and no. Notability requires significant coverage in reliable independent sources (like news articles, assuming the person didn't write them). So if you were to write an article about a business owner but all of the sources were from that person's business or things they've written, that doesn't meet the GNG but would (depending on what they were referencing) be verifiable. The SNG for people complicates it a bit, the various discussions in Mentoz86's RFA are pretty good at explaining the relationship between the GNG and SNGs. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

And those are about secondary sources? I know an article cannot rely just on primary sources. JianhuiMobile ^talk 14:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep independent=third party=secondary source. Notability is one of the (big) reasons why. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:01, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you again create another page called User:Callanecc/AFCA/Jianhui67 where we again work through tasks about AFD, notability and AFC. I can try to find some articles and tag them with AFD and then let you see whether it is okay or not? I know there is no AFCA tasks page. JianhuiMobile ^talk 15:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I probably will at some point in the next 24-48 hours, but have a go at the tasks I've suggested above and we can discuss them then. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Probably tomorrow. It is already nighttime here. I bet it is 1.48am for you. Sorry to keep you up so late in the night. JianhuiMobile ^talk 15:50, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

What is RPL anyways? JianhuiMobile ^talk 03:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Moved to User talk:Callanecc/AFCA/Jianhui67 Callanecc, please answer my question on the page I moved all the conversation to. JianhuiMobile ^talk 04:34, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Samuel Minturn Peck DYK

Hey there. Is there a reason why you chose the original prompt, rather than the Alt, for Samuel Minturn Peck? I much preferred the Alt myself. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep (but I might just walk away slowly with my tail between my legs), I looked at it, was going to go with the alt, then did the other 5 and forgot to grab the alt when it came to copying it over to the prep area. But using it now. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Cool. No prob. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

New email

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JianhuiMobile ^talk 03:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I have sent another email to you yesterday. Have you received it? JianhuiMobile ^talk 04:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Another one... JianhuiMobile ^talk 04:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Again. JianhuiMobile ^talk 10:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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publication of the page

hi please publish that page, he is a public figure in today's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mytanveer (talk • contribs) 13:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

The article you wrote doesn't meet our requirements because it looked like advertising and wasn't neutral. Also, the same or similar content has been deleted in a discussion so it can't be put back unilaterally. I you want there to be an article on the person I suggest you review this page then use the Article wizard which will guide you through the process. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

please remove that all text which you feel is like advertising. hope you will guide me and publish Tanveer Alam page,

Hi, if you are feeling that the page of Tanveer Alam looking like a page, please that details which you fell is like advertising, or suggest me to write it. i can write it again if u suggest me. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mytanveer (talk • contribs) 14:04, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion (as I said above) is to read through WP:Your first article, then use the WP:Article wizard to help guide you through the process and requirements of an article on Wikipedia. Once you've created a draft, using the article wizard, let me know and I'll have a look for you. Also make sure that you sign your posts on discussion pages (mainly talk pages) by ending your post with four tildes (~~~~). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:12, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Articles for creation Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello, Callanecc:

WikiProject AFC is holding a two month long Backlog Elimination Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from December 1st, 2013 – January 31st, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.
There is a backlog of over 2600 articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

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DYK for Alec Lazenby

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Editor interaction tool

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Template:SPI report already done (not by me), any others you can think of. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Early congatulations

I'll be asleep when your RFA closes tomorrow morning (leastways I hope I'll be asleep), so I'm going to get in early and be the first to congratulate you on your imminent mop-hood now. I doubt you'll need any help getting to grips with the tools, but if you do, you know where to ask. See you for a cold one in the admin lounge tomorrow! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:36, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Callanecc/Template/ACCadmin

Hi there. The "administrator" link in that template seems to link to a section of WP:ACCG that no longer exists. Could you have a look, please? Cheers, It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 14:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Callanecc (alt) (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

John Wayne Stevenson listed at Redirects for discussion

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Congratulations

I'm happy to inform you that, due to your successful request for adminship, you have now been promoted to an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or stop by the administrators' noticeboard. Congrats! Andrevan@ 02:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with your new mop! Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Congratulations :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Congratulations. I honestly can't remember why I have your user talk watch listed but looking at the names on your supports, it must be because you are a similar editor to those that support you! And them is some good support!--Mark Miller (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Yea boi! -- Great job. I was happy but not surprised by the tidal wave of supporters. Enjoy your mop! Sportsguy17 :) (click to talk • contributions) 02:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• CONGRATULATIONS!!! You deserved it!!! Good luck in your future Wikipedia endeavours! JianhuiMobile ^talk 02:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Congratulations Another enwp admin at acc Mlpearc (open channel) 03:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Congrats, this is well deserved. Let me know if you have any questions I can help with. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Congratulations and Best WishesYou appear to destined for much greater things in the Project.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Did you notice that Dennis Brown even came back momentarily to support your candidacy? Now that was impressive right there.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you for your support everyone! First admin action done, hopefully I didn't break anything. @Mark Miller: I did indeed, I feel quite honoured. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

And G-Double-O-D-J-O-B Good job! Good job! Three cheers for Callanecc! Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 04:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Heartiest congrats! I'm sorry to be late to the party again, I was out of town for 24 hours. I notice nobody has given you the T-shirt yet. if they don't, let me know, I have several sizes in stock, and a whole bag of useful scripts for adminsin my user:Kudpung/vector.js page that you are welcome to plunder ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you!! Hopefully I haven't incurred anyone's wrath yet. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Give it time... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Just noticed your very first deletions in the log. Congratulations and hope you continue deleting lots of unencyclopedic content! jni (talk) 12:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Congratulations! And thanks to you for being an amazing nominee :) Now I am the only clerk left that is not an administrator xD — ΛΧΣ²¹ 15:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Congratulations on finally becoming a sysop! Good luck with the mop! Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Congrats and best wishes, with my thanks for your service to the 'pedia. Jusdafax 10:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• CONGRATS!!! Bobherry talk 03:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• Stopping by to add my congratulations. Well done! :) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

A bro I'd like to share coffee with.

Thank you for the quick reply time to my notice on the Admin whatever noticeboard for vandalism x3 I forgot what it's called. Anyways thanks for a quick reply time. I was actually kind of stalking your RfA and I was going to +Suport you but I think you have to have so many namespace edits before you can vote on RfAs? Do proper reverts count as namespace edits? NDKilla 04:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries and thanks for the coffee. As far as I'm aware the only requirement to vote on an RFA is to have an account. But you need to make sure that you are experienced enough to be able to properly assess whether the candidate would be a good admin. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, well.. Thanks. I don't know if it was a personal request by one of the canidates on their RfA only, but I saw somewhere 15 or 150 mainspace edits or something.. Anyways, Cya around and GL with the adminship. First admin action? Didn't you just protect some page? Idk I got an email about a change to one of the request pages I was watching. NDKilla 04:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

150 mainspace edits is the requirement for the Arbitration Committee elections, that could be what you're thinking of. I blocked three accounts. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, it might have been that. Idk. Thanks :DD Time to get working on my essay. Wikipedia has stolen my life. @_@ NDKilla 04:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Your RfA

The admins' T-shirt. Acalamari 09:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Callanecc! I see that you haven't been given any appropriate clothing for your new job yet; never mind, here's a t-shirt. :D Congrautlations on your successful request for adminship! :) Acalamari 09:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. :) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

DS review

Please can you explain why you reverted my comments at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2013 review? As far as I can tell the review has not been completed and is still open for comment? Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted myself, sorry about that, I have absolutely no idea how I managed that. Sorry again. I am however going to remove the rollback link from my watchlist just in case it was that. Sorry, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

It's ok, everybody makes mistakes. One apology would have been plenty though ;) Thryduulf (talk) 10:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

So you like the mop, then?

Looks as though you've hit the ground running... Leave something for the rest of us to do! Yunshui 雲‍水 12:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I do, finally being able to do some proper cleaning up is quite helpful. Hey, I have to make up for all of those "it's about time" comments. But you are very welcome to the A7s. :P Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Of course you do when it has special abilities which fascinated you to try them all in a day. JianhuiMobile ^talk 12:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If I'd known you planned on clearing the entire admin backlog in a single day, I'd have nominated you years ago. A7s; gee, thanks... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If I were Callanecc, I would have did that as well. Normal thing... Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 13:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Today might be my last day here. I may leave Wikipedia for a while. For my AFCA course,I will get back to you when I am back. Thanks. Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 15:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Try this coffee. You'll feel well. After all this moping on English Wikipedia floor you'll like it! Guaranteed! Ha ha. Anyway a big huge and big to the power infinite congrats for a successful RfA and of course becoming an admin. Hope you like your new rights. PS: Don't forget to drink it. it's still hot. If you need any sugar or milk then add them. Pratyya (Hello!) 14:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea that I would like to share with you!

Being an admin is going to be hard. Good luck. Epicgenius (talk) 15:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

One more favour

I have one more favour to ask you before I leave. Can you help me to view my deleted CSD nominations before I created my CSD log and tell me the criteria I tagged by email? Thanks. Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 15:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Have you did the things I told you to do? Don't know why I can't stop visiting Wikipedia. I am very blue now. JianhuiMobile ^talk 04:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Can you come to IRC now? I have stuff to talk to you. JianhuiMobile ^talk 06:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the perfect solution. Debresser (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

You declined to take action against Spyonrunce (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) on the grounds that the account "has only received a level 2 warning and last edit was a few hours ago".[2] You should note that this account is a sock of the serial Runtshit vandal, who has received countless hundred warnings over the past several years. Further, the sort of abusive edits made by this editor should have attracted an immediate indefinite block irrespective of this history. RolandR (talk) 22:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok my mistake, thanks for the message I'll know that one for the future. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sheldrake

Hi, thanks for your comment on Sheldrake talk. I am trying to avoid reverts and edit wars, but this edit just makes a mockery of the article/wikipedia. [3] It's very difficult to do any work in such conditions. Grateful for any advice you have on how to proceed without edit warring. Thanks. Barleybannocks (talk) 01:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barley, my suggestion on page which is that contentious and unstable is to suggest all changes (apart from really uncontroversial ones, like fixing unambiguous typos) on the talk page (or put your changes on a subpage so people can see how it will look) to gain consensus before making the edit to the article. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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About the protection thing. I was trying to comment how I agreed the page Human Gene thingy should be protected and started a conflict though. Ive been on Wikipedia for nearly 3 years. Also what exactly does "Preemptively mean? (I'm 15.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobherry (talk • contribs) 02:39, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I was referring to your requests for Rockefeller Center and Rudolph... Pre-emptively means that we don't protect articles because vandalism will or might happen only in response to vandalism. Your Rockefeller Center request for example. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:44, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Bobherry talk 03:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Barnstars

Also how do you get a barnstar? I've been on for nearly 3 years as I said and haven't gotten any.Bobherry talk 02:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Barnstar - other editors give them to you, but they don't mean anything other than that social aspect. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Bobherry talk 03:19, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for fast replies on your talk page! Bobherry talk 03:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Congrats on becoming an Admin! Bobherry talk 03:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Admin abuse

Thanks for reverting this and finally closing down that time-sink. Sad, but inevitable.

I think I shall start a "testimonials received" section on my user page. I have had worse than that, and no doubt you will, though after four years I am still waiting hopefully to be called a rouge admin. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 10:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I got a tad nervous when I saw that page title, thought I'd stuffed something up in my first few days.

No worries. Related question, has the user sent you any emails after I removed talk page access? Unfortunately that's something which comes with the territory of being an Arb Clerk and as you said an admin, but you never know I might be lucky. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

No, no emails. He kept referring to "emails" in his messages, but I think he meant ordinary WP messages. If I do get abusive ones, I would have no qualms in turning off his email access. Someone, probably Beeblebrox, has written an essay on the lines of "Cries of ADMIN ABUSE are usually correct - an admin is being abused." JohnCD (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The email they sent me wasn't anything worse than what they put on their talk page so I just ignored it. But had they sent the same thing to you I would have removed access. But looks like they've figured out the message. Sounds like quite an accurate comment, you get a different perspective once you are an admin and have been on the receiving end (quite mild though it is). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Can You Help Sorting Out This Mess?

Hello. I need your help in regards to Attack at Golden Dawn Office on 1 November, 2013.

1. Currently the following pages exist in relation to the topic: Manolis Kapelonis Μανώλης Καπελώνης Γιώργος Φουντούλης Giorgos Fountoulis Murder of Manolis Fountoulis and Giorgos Kapelonis to Neo Iraklio Golden Down office Murder of Manolis Kapelonis and Giorgos FountoulisMurder of Manolis Fountoulis and Giorgos Kapelonis to Golden Down office. As you understand a mess has been created, over an article that is facing notability problems. Is there a way to clean up all or some of the mess?
2. It has been suggested that the article be merged with Terrorism in Greece. Th incidence is also covered in Golden Dawn (political party). The only editors that defended the article not being merged were 2 entirely new editors (1 was the creator of the article) with no previous contributions. The creator of the article has yet to provide any evidence for the notability of the page. Could you take a look at Talk:Attack at Golden Dawn Office on 1 November, 2013 and post your opinion as well, and if you conclude that a consensus can be claimed, to take action? This article has made a mess the last few days, with vandalism taking place at Murder of Pavlos Fyssas as well. --Tco03displays (talk) 11:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion is that you follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Merging#Proposing a merger. Given the contentious nature of the article I think it would be better for a merge discussion to take and the two AFDs come to their end after the requisite seven days. Once that has been done we (uninvolved users, in this case probably admins) can close and implement the discussions. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I see. Then this is still within the timeframe of discussion. I'll check it in 5-6 days. --Tco03displays (talk) 12:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Make sure you follow the instructions here as well. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Also please note the WP:PROD does not apply to redirects. These need to be discussed via a WP:RFD. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:39, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations...

....on your successful RfA! Good luck out there. hmssolent\You rang? ship's log 13:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Mmmm, thank you HMSSolent! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Block Evasion

Hi Callanec - just wanted to let you know that this diff is not a block evasion - User: 130.88.164.18 is his own man (or woman).Legionarius (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

All About She

Hi there! I was just contemplating whether or not to start creating an All About She article through my userspace when I noticed that someone had recently created the page and you'd deleted it. Would you be able to restore the original contents to a new userspace e.g. User:Djunbalanced/All_About_She? Their new single entered the UK midweeks at #11 which has already guaranteed it notability. I'll wait until Sunday's chart before going ahead with a new article but in the mean time I'd really appreciate seeing the old one! Regards, DJUnBalanced (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

My warning

Hi, I was recently warned here about my edits to Rupert Sheldrake. [4] I don't think the warning is fair - as it comes from an editor on the article who is inserting his own content contrary to multiple sources listed on the talk page. I would appreciate a second opinion, since previously you seemed to suggest the edits I am now being warned for were partially responsible for you not locking the article. [5] Barleybannocks (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

It's probably not a bad idea to get consensus, because your edits are some of the more controversial ones to the page. The only reason I mentioned your edits is because they were evidence of at least someone moving on from the POV template war. As it's an arbitration enforcement warning there is nothing I can do regarding the warning itself. However I would suggest that gaining consensus over any edit isn't necessarily a bad idea. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I just want to check. A single administrators can force their own non-consensus version into an article by banning/threatening to ban anyone who changes it. That is, the administrator edits their version in, threatens the ban, refuses to agree on talk to any change no matter how well sourced and how unsourced their version is, and then the ban threat means nobody can ever revert. Is that really the way things are supposed to be?

And, also just so I know, could you tell me which of my edits you feel were controversial?Barleybannocks (talk) 10:54, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that Guy hasn't edited the article enough to be considered WP:INVOLVED, although I didn't look too deeply into the page history. A consensus is yet to form on the talk page, and the best way to do that is to talk rather than edit, and there have been a few times I've been tempted to protect to force that. Whether one person refuses to agree or not doesn't matter if the consensus is against them. Also just clarifying, it's a bit different in this case because Guy is undertaking this action as arbitration enforcement under discretionary sanctions which no single admin can overrule, but you can still appeal a sanction or warning to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. In terms of which edits are controversial, that's a question best asked to Guy on his talk page (in a friendly way). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:09, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I have asked him, about five times. He refused to answer and threatened to ban me if I asked again. Is this kind of bullying standard on Wikipedia? Barleybannocks (talk) 11:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I've left a message on his talk page. As I said I think your edits on the talk page more more contentious then those to the article. I just did a search of your username on the talk page and almost every editor was disagreeing or trying to convince you of something else, not just Guy. So from that side I can certainly see where he is coming from. You need to bear in mind that when (all/most) other editors disagree with you, you need to comply with the consensus which they have come to. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, my edits on the talk page have primarily been all about citing numerous high quality sources in support of a very brief statement in the introduction stating a widely known fact which is suppressed on Wikipedia for some reason but appears almost everywhere else Sheldrake is discussed (ie, he has a small degree of scientific support/interest in his work). I can certainly see how citing sources disrupts people's abilities to retain a very biased BLP. It is also, however, very much in line with the Wiki's core policies even if antagonistic to the aims of some editors. Anyway, thanks for your message to Guy, I doubt it will make a blind bit of difference.Barleybannocks (talk) 11:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not "suppressed" it's just not there because nobody's found the right way of saying it. You are over-reacting, something which is (to labour the point) one of the things that distinguishes problematic from harmless single-purpose accounts. Guy (Help!) 22:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sheldrake

The problem with barley's edits is that he asserts that his bias is neutrality, insists that his wording is a compromise between his wording and other people's, and the fact that he's a WP:SPA determined to Right Great Wrongs, having arrived after Sheldrake exhorted people to fix the "problem" of an article that accurately identified his ideas a s nonsense. The article needs stability and measured change, not edit warriors who represent their POV as the neutral POV, despite the very obvious fact that it isn't.

You know that SPAs usually have a deep commitment to a POV and there is an imbalance of motive between the SPAs and the rest of the community (e.g. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cold fusion).

I have asked barley to stop editing and instead achieve consensus on talk for changes he wants to make, in an attempt to avoid having to start banninating people for disruption.

I have by this time done quite a bit of reading on the background to the Sheldon problem, more eyes is always good, have you also researched the subject? Basically, Sheldon has advanced an unfalsifiable conjecture which essentially mirrors the claims of parapsychology, fair tests of his ideas are virtually impossible due to their largely untestable premises, and (the important bit) there is virtually no discussion of his ideas in the professional journals of the relevant field - the primary discussion of his ideas is by philosophers or people who criticise them. Sheldrake's response is to say that science is a set of dogmas (and invoke Kuhn, as every crank does). Comparison with quantum statistic mechanics is valid: QSM was viewed with suspicion and rejected outright by Einstein, but it prevailed because it was a more coherent and complete explanation of the observed facts than was strict determinism. Shedrake's ideas do not pass that test: they make sense only if you accept his base premises on faith.

The Chopra quote is telling: Chopra thinks he's building bridges between science and religion. You can't. They are non-overlapping magisteria, and increasingly scientists reject religion altogether due to the lack of coherent testable frameworks.

Barley is here to support Sheldrake, and that is orthogonal to Wikipedia's purpose. I have a lot of experience with contentious biographies, and I'ma n OTRS volunteer, so I am comfortable that when I judge the biographical element to be compliant with WP:BLP I am right. Barley doesn't seem to accept that, and wants to re-argue the case ab initio rather than build on what's already there by addressing specific issues. That's the problem I'm trying to manage. Guy (Help!) 12:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Guy, my argument is that we go with the sources, not our own opinions. In that respect I am neutral - I understand the irrelevance of my own views. I offered three different version as compromise - you refused to acknowledge they existed. It is notewoprthy that in the recent request for admin action, 4 neutral editors all claimed to have been effectively driven off by the actions of those (like you) fiercely opposed to Sheldrake, and in each case they complained of being considered Sheldrake fan for opposing the more reactionary views. Barleybannocks (talk) 12:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Guy, I've done a bit of research into Sheldrake and his views, but not as much as most editors involved in the discussions, which I think is a good thing because I can't be biased either way. In saying that, I really do understand where you are coming from and the frustration you (both) are suffering. But someone involved in the dispute threatening bans really isn't going to resolve anything, and (as can be above) does the opposite.

Barleybannocks, it looks like Guy is trying to actively engage you in the bottom section of the talk page. He's asked a straight question and backed it up with a policy, so it's over to you. If you can find a reliable secondary science-based source from a which clearly states it (and even better if you can quote it), if you can't then the point that Guy has made, re WP:SYN, stands.

This is a good example of what tends to happen on the talk page, someone (recently, generally Barley) suggests that a change is needed, they receive general agreement that it should be included. But it falls down because no one can agree that a source states it. So it will be interesting to see where this discussion leads, and if there is a source which someone can find. Plus of course the consensus building about what is actually added to the article, which I hope will be discussed rather than just done. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed it will be interesting. Barleybannocks (talk) 13:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Barley, no, the problem is that you want to go with your own interpretation of the sources, some of which amounts to novel synthesis. I fully understand that you do not perceive this. That's the root of the problem. I am trying to coach you in how to achieve changes, but unless you stop rejecting everything I say because you don't like its implications, you're not going to learn anything. I have been here a long time, I know how Wikipedia works. Guy (Help!) 16:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Your interpretation of Wikipedia may be correct, but your reading of the sources is simply wrong. All three sources I cited at your request talk about the support from scientists for his scientific work. That is just an uninterpreted fact. See the links on the talk page for details as well as my quotations from each.Barleybannocks (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Unlike Guy, who just complained about how angry he was to have wasted time on the 2012 book, I have not read any of the Sheldrake books. But I have spent a long time reading the wikipedia history of the involved editors. And I don't call the BLP "Sheldon" by mistake. Callanecc, I'm happy to fill you in on the backstory if you like, but methinks you alone (no offense) won't be able to calm things down. The problems of warring will stay persistent, if there are only a small number of people involved. It has been a battleground since July or August, with hundreds of kilobytes of talkpage discussion, all leading nowhere.

  Suggestion: can we bring in a bunch -- like a couple dozen -- randomly selected editors, and have short time-limited byte-limited discussions about each paragraph in the article, from top to bottom, repeat as needed until NPOV is achieved? That seems more likely to generate progress, but the last time somebody asked for outside input, they got hammered for allegedly canvassing. Your hands are probably clean enough that you can get away with recruiting, if you use PRNG to select the victims helpers.  :-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

74.192.84.101 that sounds like a really good idea. The only difficultly will be that we'll need to find editors who are willing to do it. Perhaps another option would be to do something similar to the moderated discussion which was done for the Tea Party movement article. What do you think? In any case I've imposed a 1RR restriction on the article because I'm sick of the constant edit warring going on. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the SPI help

Thanks for sorting out my post on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stubes99/Archive. Despite being an admin for over two years now, I never really got around to doing much at WP:SPI, so it's greatly appreciated. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

re: Reviewer user right

Hello there!

Thanks so much for your granted and nice to meet you. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Kleargear

Would it be possible to lock Kleargear such that only signed-in editors (in other words not IP editors) can edit this article? There seems to be a lot of disruption from (probably) a single editor using multiple IPs... =//= Johnny Squeaky 00:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)