User talk:Drmies

Saw you liked Winslow Homer

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Pygmalion and the Image

Some more to cheer you up. Hafspajen (talk) 16:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Dr. Hafstadter: I need it. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

• I'll have some rocket in my Russian salad please. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I have dream music, with an image chosen from a Hafspajen collection, my favourite line "Ich gehe nicht schnell" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ha, ich auch nicht. Xanty, it's coming up. Did you write up Mr. Ego yet? Drmies (talk) 20:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Halfway through. I've got to the bit where the planes with banners are flying over the demonstrators. Time to sleep, perchance to dream. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You know, Gerda, that picture you chose out of a giant collection ... a real good choice it was. I almost think .. feathured picture? Well, why not. Hafspajen (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, flattered ;) - I guess it should appear in more articles than one, no? My only experience with FP was not so good: my suggestion (top here) was not considered because of its photographer, - well, look at the links in the world ;) - with the help of a friend I managed even Hebrew, possible the single edit I am most proud of! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hm, sombody went pointig out faults, so I am affraid .. it won't work. Hafspajen (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viriditas (talk • contribs) 04:50, 8 September 2014‎

Alert the cabal . . .

. . . and I mean now!

How ya holdin' up, Doc?

^Bongo_matic 07:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Well, after reading, in an ANI thread about me, that "I did not bring [Drmies] here because he's an antisemite or because he's a Nazi", I think someone is telling me that I am. That's not a nice thing to hear. Hey, Bongo! Nice to see you again. What's been going on? I started a stub on an architect the other day, and it brought back all kinds of memories: one of the sources is a Dutch architectural website called ArchiNed, and when I searched that word to see if we had an article, or how to capitalize it, I saw a whole bunch of articles CoM and I wrote up in the good old days. So I'm a bit mixed up, I suppose. Well, I don't think we have a Department for Experimental Topo-charcuterie, but I'll give this a try. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• I could tell you that in Melton Mowbray there's a butcher whose bacon is so good that even Polish babas praise it. But that would be spam. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Spam is made from shoulder meat. Bacon is from the belly.Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Spam, spam, glorious spam, nuffink' goes in it except chopped shoulder meat and ham mechanically recovered shoulder meat. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• I had to stay up late last night since I managed to score a three-pound Boston butt at half price yesterday. That was eight long hours, checking on the slow cooker. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

My friend has been using a water circulator bath to slow cook his butt. They sell devices for $150 that turns any pot into a extremely low temperature slow cooker.Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Normally every single talk given on topological insulators includes the canonical picture of a orange and doughnut to illustrate topologically-distinct manifolds. Today we enter a glorious era, where we can illustrate this with bacon and ... more bacon. a13ean (talk) 17:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, but this is a talk page dedicated to the liberal arts. We don't do car parts here--that's the domain of Scalhotrod, who'll be glad to talk about manifolds until the sun goes down one final time. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Is that petrol I smell? How can I be of service? :) BTW, I am also a devotee of the Big Green Egg and routinely apply the "low and slow" treatment to various cuts... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• I'm waiting for someone to bring on the bacon donuts. That Green Egg, I've heard a lot of good things about it, but I also read its price tag, so that's a no. (Liberal arts talk page, liberal arts paycheck.) Until Green Egg hires me to rewrite their article, of course--I suppose CorporateM has them in their Rolodex. Drmies (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Drmies, find your local or closest "EggFest", the annual gathering of Eggers and all things relatedly delicious. BGE usually sponsors these events and ships several pallets of Eggs to the venue which are then available for sale (usually pre-sale before the event and picked up at the end) as "demo/display units" at a deep discount. Shooosh, don't tell anyone else... :)
• Hmm... Bacon donuts, sounds promising. I wonder if you can just deep fry the whole thing or if there's precooking involved. It would make a nice bookend to my Atomic Buffalo T*rd jalapeno poppers paired with one of my homemade alcohol infusions. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Don't tell Kelapstick--he's already on a pretty serious Simvastatin regimen. That lady actually looks a lot like K-stick and sounds like him too. Drmies (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Floral peace. The Old man's beard or Traveller's Joy, or, as we call them, Nielä are in bloom here now, and we (that is mostly the old fogeys among us, if I'm not mistaken) also used to smoke its hollow dried stems, as kids pretending to be adults, in the woods. Though it would make me cough incessantly, I'd smoke that peace pipe right now, right here. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, I saw the drahmah that has been inflicted upon you the last few days, and I want very much to offer you my sympathy and best wishes. It should never have happened to you. It's a pity that this kind of stuff crops up so often at this website. To quote the great philosopher Taylor Swift, shake it off. Anyway, I hope you are doing well. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• No good deed goes unpunished, Tryptofish, and so you and some others there will probably suffer for your good deeds as well--really, I saw your comments and I appreciate it, as well as the note here. See, if they had left me a note saying hey, what about this? we could have had a conversation, but all this huffing and puffing, with a templated warning and some thinly veiled accusations--yeah, it's not good for the soul. Anyway, it's over for now, and I think common sense has prevailed on the talk page. The article has been moved back by some people who know what they're talking about, and some others came by and fixed syntax and language, so it's all good (I admit it's hard for me sometimes to write good English when I'm reading Dutch sources). And to be accused of having some right-wing agenda... I wrote Oud-Strijders Legioen the other day, inspired by this mess, and when those planes flew over I was down below, and have despised them and their right-wing ilk ever since. Sorry, I'm waxing prosaic. Thanks again. Drmies (talk) 23:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Good! I've been on the receiving end myself, with a lot of similarities to what you received. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Time to behave badly towards Drmies: the OSL did not have members as it was a foundation, not a society or association. So it were supporters. Prosper Ego was never really in action in the Dutch Indies as he was a pencil pusher. Unfortunately, I passed on my archives when I moved country. The Banner talk 00:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Banner, good point--guess I never thought about that. So please propose a different word (well, don't propose, just stick it in there and then I'll see you on ANI, haha)--but how else does on translate dat ze 14.000 leden hadden? As for the pencil-pushing, you'll note that I wrote "served"--I am well aware of his, you know, Rambo-ish lifestyle. So--you left twenty-plus jaargangen of Sta-Vast behind? What a loss! (And, Banner, thanks for moving that article back. It's good to not be alone.) Drmies (talk) 00:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Ehm, no. I did not leave does magazines behind. I handed over my archives to the anti-fascistic research group Kafka. Errrr, was happy enough that they did not ask question how some of the info was obtained. My grandfather was in the (non-military) resistance and I followed his lead, updated to the changed times. (A distant cousin earned the Military William Order at the Grebbeberg. He urges his men to stand firm and not retreat. He is still there.)The Banner talk 00:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The OSL presented itself as an association but were in fact three foundations. So the "members" could be supporters or just subscribers of the magazine. The Banner talk 00:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

[ec] Haha. Maybe this is a good time to disclose to you that I was in the KZA and the MKA! Your archives, Xanthomelanoussprog and I could have used them for Hembrug (which is around the corner from where I grew up--in fact, you can sort of see my house in that aerial photograph). So--does "organization" need to be changed to "foundation"? Please correct the article. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• I've got a rough translation of the Ego article (offline)- just want to go through it again to make sure I've not done anything too egregious. The original Dutch article introduces Ego as an old soldier, but then fails to substantiate that. It claims that he was not involved in "police" actions but was doing journalism (??) DYK that the Japanese did joint military actions with the British in Indonesia at the end of WW2? And the last German campaign medal of WW2 was issued by permission of the British military, who made sure there wasn't a swastika on it. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• As Banner said, he was a pencil pusher. I saw that in one of the sources, can't remember which one--it may have been the Kafka source. Now, I don't know if Banner was joking about having bequeathed his archives to Kafka (the Dutch have a weird sense of humor), but Kafka's POV is to be considered. That is, if they say he never saw action, I'm sure they'd find that amusing given the posturing of the OSL. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I was active in a local chapter of the more radical AFA. Changed some thingies in the OSL article and added a source. The Banner talk 10:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Alert - Drmies can you translate this article? Briefschrijvende jongeman bij geopend venster. Crisco 1492 asked me how do I know that this painting has a pair, this one Brieflezende vrouw - well, my Dutch tells me the info is in this article. Hafspajen (talk) 10:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing Haf. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• The Ego has landed, trailing a banner which says "I'd rather have a rocket in the bedroom than a Yank in the lavatory". Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Well done! Of course Randykitty, the original drive-by tagger, had to go and deface it... That photo, BTW, is priceless. I imagine him yelling at The Banner--Banner is sixteen, and they ran into each other at a 1 May manifestation in Beverwijk. Ego is trying to get into the supermarket to pick up some butter since Mrs. Ego is in the mood (for stewed eel! sheesh!), and there's Banner, with his little table selling his little buttons, and his little red book is sticking out of the pocket of his German Army jacket full of peace signs and "Kernenergie? Nee bedankt!" stickers. And Banner sees who he is dealing with: a middle-aged white man, representing all that he hates about his country (looks a lot like his father, probably). If he can sway this man, this one man, then the war is won, and we'll leave NATO, and there will be happiness and equality in South Africa, and Marxism will take over all of Asia and Nixon will simply wink and let them, and no teacher will ever write up another student for smoking pot during lunch hour, and everyone will realize that Yes's Fragile indeed holds the key to the universe...all that and more.

  But Ego will have none of it. Here's some long-haired boy who should be in school. He doesn't smell so good either, though there's an exotic aroma that reminds him of long ago, of 1949. And this boy (half a head taller than him, but still) starts talking about fairness and nuclear cruise missiles and some black people in an arid part of the world who apparently have rights too and he probably doesn't change shirts more often than once a week. And he looks at him and does not see himself, just a predator out to get his daughter, a leech sucking up his hard-earned money by way of a repressive tax system that taxes those like him, those who have worked so hard to make some more money than the neighbors. He probably spells everything in some weird new way either, with those hard k's and sloppy sj's. Probably studies sosjologie at the Pedagogiese Akademie, in Esperanto. And this child is telling him he's been wrong all his life, that he's a mass murderer like Jan Pietersz. Coen, that he is personally responsible for the death of little children in factories in Bangladesh because he shops at C&A? NO! And I'll tell you something else, you stinking little Communist rat, ... !

  And that's when that photo was taken. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• That spy that you send after me is a rather dodgy guy. I left Beverwijk at age 14. The Banner talk 00:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)XANTYY!! Thanks... you would love the painting Crisco just nominated. A Dutch king. Good looking too... Is there any page with the exception of AIV - Vandalism, where one is running into so many edit conflicts, may I ask....? GOSH; XANTY, you really did translated it, gugh. Hafspajen (talk) 16:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• gugh? I did notice that the Ego article claims that he got fined in 1995, but the OSL article says it was Mat Herben. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hm, really? Hafspajen (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• It was Ego who got fined, the actual writers were former DS'70 MP Hendrik Pors and P. Hermans [1]. Herben joined the OSL much later. Dutch werkschuw, langharig tuig AKA Cattivi (talk) 10:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for that! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:45, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, thanks Cattivi. DS70...ach, die goeie ouwe tijd. In its honor, I made the redirect Boer Koekoek. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Bob Avakian

I've done some more clean up and added some secondary sources. I'll add more as time allows. Please have a look and modify as needed. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

And then there is his right hand man, Carl Dix. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Wow Keithbob, that's a pretty serious haircut! Drmies (talk) 00:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops!

Sorry about this: stupid fat fingers on an iPhone screen! – SchroCat (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• If you know my real name, then you'd see that your edit summary is quite hilarious. I'll give you a hint: M I SHIT. No worries! And I won't tell you to get an Android--friends don't do that to friends. Drmies (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• An android–perish the very thought! I hope your recent trip to ANI wasn't too hideous: never fun being there! Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

142.150.48.0/24

Hi Drmies, regarding this thread, you can use this tool to check contribs for any given range. Specifically, this is the range contribs analysis for 142.150.48.0/24 from January of this year to current. It does indeed look like it could be range blocked again from what I'm seeing. That analysis can help you hunt down edits you didn't know about and find socks.

I backtracked this and found the sock case so you know who you are dealing with now.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I've went ahead and hardblocked this range for one year. Any named accounts caught behind that block need to be scrutinized as potential socks if they appeal the block.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Berean Hunter, I'm about to go track down all these particulars, but I already wanted to say thank you for your work. I really appreciate it, and I hope we can use this to stem that tide of useless edits. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Razor Tag

Can you help me expand Razor Tag please? Obviously, it needs more expansion and verification with plenty of resources. I'll be glad to also help you out in any way I can, if you ever need me for anything (just simply leave a message on my talk page, but be respectful and polite when you do so). Thanks. Skylar3214 3:54, 8 September 2014

CSD advice

Having looked closely at the wording, I'm not sure my G13 tagging of this is accurate. Is there a better tag/process? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

NeilN, when in doubt, I usually go the more conservative route. If the editor is around, then ask them about the article. Otherwise, you can take it to WP:MFD. Bgwhite (talk) 23:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite, okay, done. Thanks. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm, well, yes, it's correct, but this is an odd editorial history, so yes, I'd probably ask them, which is also very nice of you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Merope

Would you consider fully protecting their talk page for a few days, possibly as an alternative to revocation of talk page access? Perhaps if everyone has a few days to regain a sense of perspective we might be able to make some progress, but I don't think it would be proper for the action to come from the blocking admin. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• You know what, given that their talk page is turning into a bit of forum for others as well, that's not a bad option. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Cheers mate. Hopefully that'll do the trick. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Jan

Could you believe that there was no article for Jan Cremer? Via the new article on Prosper Ego (is that a real name, sounds like a character from a bad novel) I landed at your OSL article. Hadn't thought about that group for years. Back when, I knew somebody who was a member of that group. Creepy.

No sooner do I unwatch this page (too busy, clutters my watchlist; and I almost never go to ANI) and the shit hits the fan, so saw this only just now. Hope things have calmed down now. Being accused of antisemitism would make me go ballistic, too. --Randykitty (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Good work! Man, he was goodlooking. I think he made waves in the US as well. Yes, things are quieter now, fortunately, with the help of some cool-headed people. And yes, that's some name, isn't it--The Banner is also on the case; I understand he occupied an honorary position on the OSL's hitlist (speaking metaphorically, of course). Banner en ik waren waarschijnlijk allebei langharig werkschuw tuig. Drmies (talk) 17:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• That's a coincidence: just the other day I tried to explain to my wife what "langharig werkschuw tuig" means, but the best I could come up with was "long-haired work-shy hooligans", but that doesn't really capture it :-) Cremer made waves in the US too, I think you're right. But I'm a bit short on time and will leave it for someone else to expand. --Randykitty (talk) 18:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• The best visualisation of "langharig werkschuw tuig" is still Hair (film). The Banner talk 20:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Mmmm... bacon

[2] Black Kite (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yup. Lunch time! Drmies (talk) 18:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Brighton and Hove

I tend to think user:Abdurrahman Muslim is probably not going to change their ways and I strongly believe they are wrong and will be unable to provide sources to back their point, but they do make a specific request "someone made reference in this article to the declining moral standards of the people of Brighton and Hove", which precludes it from being a forum post. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you should censor them. CombatWombat42 (talk) 19:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

If Drmies hadn't reverted, I would have. The editor is free to make no-way-that's-going-to-happen requests without the frothing at the mouth ranting. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• CombatWombat, thank you for not reverting again. No one will be able to prove anything about "declining moral standards" since it's not a measurable quantity: that user is simply trolling, pretending to be some hardcore Muslim when they're really either a drunk skinhead or a dumb high-schooler, or both. Hope I didn't break the BLP here, but the trolling was just obvious, and if you want to call my removal of that post "censorship", well, then, I, I don't know. Thank you NeilN. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Apparently I'm a spammer

Urk, I tried to send you email, but it was returned: "Message rejected as spam by Content Filtering." Do you have a way to add me to a white list? Or can you send me an alternate email address to send it to? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oh my goodness. Yes, our spam filter has been...."acting up". Conversely, our emails have been blocked by many other providers. Do you still have the same email address? I'll ask around tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 22:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, same email address. Thanks. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Kind sir, that domain was indeed blocked for a while so emails didn't arrive, and I was unable to send email to addresses in it. Like, you know, my mom! Anyway, the problem was supposed to have been fixed a week or two ago--when was this? Drmies (talk) 23:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
      • It was yesterday, less than half an hour before I wrote above that it had been returned. I'll try again. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
      • ... and it was returned again. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln

Drmies, and friendly talk page stalkers. After five plus years on this site, I have finally summoned the courage to make some relatively minor (but I believe useful) stylistic changes to the lead of a truly important article, Abraham Lincoln. I am asking anyone who reads this page to review my work, and to make additional improvements if warranted. Feel free to revert any inadvertant foolishness. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing--but let me roll it back first, just to make sure. Drmies (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oh, that one edit. Man, I don't know: this is for the scholars. I think that Rjensen has a point: that the evidence for your version is harder to come by, unless you strike lucky and hit upon the scholar saying it. So I think it's a matter for TP discussion, unless you have the proper source. Personally, but I'm an amateur (living where I live, hehe), I think you are right--but I'd be as hesitant about that edit as you have been, apparently. Look, you're a good guy, Rjensen is a good person, it's an important point: I have no doubt you all can exemplify that wonderful and by now outdated American habit of public discussion, well-informed on both sides and with mutual respect. Which reminds me: midterm elections are coming up, and I can't help but wonder what it would be like to have the right to vote, even though I know this political system is a sham in so many ways. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Companion pieces

A hollow casing for a lead pencil has a silver top set with a diamond for writing on glass

About the articles you created ... (absolutely gorgious, Drmies, great stuff) ... Woman Reading a Letter and Man Writing a Letter. There is additional information and links here too... Thanks a lot. Good job. You are a good guy, Dr Mies. (Nice girl you have there, on your edit notice ...) Hafspajen (talk) 07:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yep, definite good guy. You could have picked up that Alma-Tadema cheap 4 decades ago (probably about 500 USD). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hm.. Writing set is a red link? I expect that it is not the same as Writing implement (Xanty you will love this one...) Hafspajen (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• A a diamond for writing on glass? Who use to do that? File:The writing on the wall LCCN2012645210.jpg. Hafspajen (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
• I could not come up with a decent translation for "inktset"--it's not in my English vocabulary. Gerda Arendt is, I believe, the authority on inkpots; she might know. Drmies (talk) 14:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, not this time. Which language is that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
• Seems to be something in printing, on facebook [3] and twitter, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Ink cartridges, for inkjet printer- at least in Flemish. Could almost be inked set- the inked referring to people with tattoos. There's various famous examples of writing with diamond on window panes- a form of posh graffiti. The present form is known as "scratchiti"- scratching on train windows. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

My problem was that we don't have an ARTICLE on WRITING SET - there is such a thing, you know, but the computer age lost it ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, new I am [going to be reverted]... Not humorous enoug? Well, well Hafspajen (talk) 15:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• We don't have an article on drawing instruments either. Now I am slightly confused over this- to me a writing set is a matched pen and automatic pencil (like a Yard-O-Led). A drawing instrument set has compasses, curves, dividers, Gunter's rule etc. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oops: I wrote hybrid English-Dutch. I meant Inktset. Drmies (talk) 20:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ; Inkstand. Hafspajen (talk) 21:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, yes, ahem, I guess I could have found that myself... :) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you

	A Dutch Golden Age Beer for You - that Long glass is the Beer
	In style. Hafspajen (talk) 11:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Tack sa mycket! Drmies (talk) 21:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Any admin stalkers here with some time on their hands?

Are there any admin stalkers here with some time on their hands? There are problems at Talk:India Against Corruption and at other articles where Lindashiers has been involved. The account is fairly new but the person behind it obviously is not. - Sitush (talk) 12:00, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for James McLemore

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alabama Baptist Association

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Nice to share a set, funny set that is, two German items, to churchy ones, - I sang in the pictured place, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Ha, it's actually a quartet--Harry, que pasa? :) Drmies (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Not my doing—I just do the admin bit at the end; Hawkeye put the hooks together. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Only shortly before appearing, two hooks were pulled and replaced ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Talking of quartet: do you know this one and its history of article split? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

When the hook was moved from Prep 4 to Queue 1, only two of the four {{DYKmake}}s were moved along with the hook. I've included your two additional shiny baubles below. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Mandarax, and let me take this opportunity to thank Wetman and Nikkimaria for their helpful edits--Nikkimaria, I see you all the time esp. in my DYKs, always improving them, and I really appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Cheers, Drmies - thanks for making nice articles to edit. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Caesar Blackwell

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Antioch Baptist Church (Montgomery, Alabama)

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

If you have time

There's another issue at Talk:Men's rights movement. CSDarrow was warned that his repeated and now tendentious beaviour WRT to a paragraph about Marital rape was unacceptable[4][5]. This is his edit (the last one btw) before the page was protected[6] and this is the first edit after protection ceased [7]. This is the same edit on August 29th[8]. This is where the tendentious is most recently on display[9] but here's the same dicsussion in September 2012[10] - there was no consensus for removal then. The same thing again in June 2013[11] again closing without consensus for removal. CSDarrow's campaign to remove sourced material has at this point reached disruptive and pointy levels. There's also a thread here BTW if you can't handle this just let me know--Cailil ^talk 13:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• I couldn't help looking at this since you pinged me in the section above. I don't want to step on your toes, my friend, but I think you've got a very obvious agenda-driven account there—a perfect example of TE and NOTHERE. If this had been brought up on my talk page, I'd have indef' him. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • On second thoughts, having now seen WP:MRMPS, I've blocked him for a year. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Harry, thanks for looking into this. I've looked at all those links--being somewhat familiar with CSDarrow, and in some respects sympathetic towards them--and I agree that this is unfortunately a good decision. The only thing I wonder is whether he shouldn't be indeffed given the stack of evidence. I wouldn't say NOTHERE, necessarily--but disruption and tendentious editing, sure, with some IDNHT thrown in for good measure. (I don't understand why they'd continue for two years on this one issue and not learn that removal of that text without clear talk page consensus will lead to these kinds of consequences.) Cailil, if there's one thing I learned from perusing those diffs and other talk page discussions, it's that you must have been a great student in the classroom--your homework is impeccable. Thanks for your efforts in MRM, and Harry, thanks for your work here as well. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
      • I considered an indef as an ordinary admin action, but I thought a year under the article probation had a greater chance of sticking. Besides, I've already indef'd one established editor this week. It's not one of the more enjoyable aspects of adminship. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

THanks for looking at this HJ and Drmies - I think the year is better than indef. I hope CSD can learn from this rather than just blame eeryone else and ignore it. But I don't know[12]. Any way thanks for keeping an eye while Bbb23 is on a well earned holiday--Cailil ^talk 20:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Photography

Peaceful and serene

So, since you do painting articles, do you think you'd be interested in photography? I mean, Jacobus Anthonie Meessen has pretty much jack about him in English (though I'm trying to fix that). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, I don't "do" art--I did this out of personal affection for The Haf. Kunst is een konijn dat kut zegt. Now, I see you remedied that jackness (lack of jackness?) since I posted--looks GA ready, as usual... Drmies (talk) 19:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
• Crisco 1492, here is a school he built (I love that kind of school building--I attended one in Zaandam, though a bit less gothic). He's discussed here as well, but I can't read that stupid e-book. Drmies (talk) 19:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I must say, that is an attractive building. I don't think we had anything in that style back in Windsor - but then we didn't have any 150 year old schools. The doctoral thesis looks nice too... not sure if it passes WP:ACADEMIC though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
    • See, I think it greatly depends on what you're looking to support. Some literary interpretation, some sweeping historical statements (see Cullen's question on this page), no. But some basic stuff that the person must have gotten from the city archives, I don't have a problem with it. Then again, some students have been known to half-ass their master's theses and bribe their professors with Bintang... Drmies (talk) 00:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
      • Me? Never! (I used brownies). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• Drmies, I need to step out (work beckons). If you or a stalker have time, would it be possible to double check the translations I've provided in Meessen's article? Easy DYK, and I think you're right: this could go to GA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Requesting Rollback rights

Hello, I have made 300 edits that plenty are against vandals, plus with the edits done with my retired account Jerm729. I tried requesting this on the Rollback request page, but I get some kind of message that involves a template error. -- Cheers JudeccaXIII (talk) 15:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• JudeccaXIII, I have looked at the reversions among your last 100 or so edits. I see many occasions where you have properly reverted, and have called out and warned for vandalism. However, I see a few edits that cause me concern--not so much because they are necessarily wrong, but because you're asking for rollback. In particular I have found a few cases where, in my opinion, rollback is not to be used: [13] (and warning the user was not the best decision), [14], [15] (not to be rolled back--and the tag you restored is incorrect), [16] (not to be rolled back, and I'm wondering by Plato needs to be dated in reference to Christ--here again, a user warning is really not the correct response: an explanation is better). What I'd like to hear from you is that you will look at these diffs and agree to not use rollback in such cases. Mind you, I'm not saying that you would have used rollback; I think you probably wouldn't since you seem to be a positive, but I want to make sure. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I guess I did give some warnings in the wrong places. I usually give out 1st level warnings to talk pages via Twinkle. I try not to use Rollback unless I have to. Like some edits could be multiple vandalism in a row, and simply clicking undo will cause some confusion in the article's edit history. That's when I use Rollback. -- JudeccaXIII (talk) 23:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Alright. Don't abuse it. Have fun, Drmies (talk) 23:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Reinhardt University

I referenced your reasoning for removing a link to a photo album on this page. I disagree with you and think the link is not only pertinent, but adds to the article. No where in the Wiki "rules" that you pointed people to does it say you cannot link to photo albums. I'd like to get more editors involved in this and get a consensus. Carsonmc (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• The article talk page is the appropriate place for that, with a notification to any involved editors. But WP:ELNO is quite clear: "regular" Flickr pages, like an individual user's page, are excluded via #11, and since in this case it's an "official" Flickr page, see WP:ELMINOFFICIAL: basically, one official link per subject/article. In this case, I let the official link and the athletics link stand, since it seems that many articles have both those links, but two ought to be enough. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Stirring up an old hornet nest

Hello!

Last year you were so kind as to to take a look at an ongoing issue regarding Landmark Worldwide and List of new religious movements. Eventually, Consensus by Attrition was achieved and I don't think anyone left happy.

Unfortunately the same basic argument that precipitated the RFC on that article has risen again, this time on the Landmark Worldwide article itself. Same players (mostly), same sources (mostly), same argument (pretty much).

Predictably, edit warring ensued and good faith went on holiday. At this point, one editor in particular (Lithistman (talk · contribs · logs · block log)) has reinserted the same material 8 times this past week, undoing edits of a variety of people including an involved admin (Rlendog), and basically said that they will continue to revert because the other editors are biased. It is clear that Lithistman is simply making edits based on opposition to other editors and not paying attention to the substance of the edits at hand - reinforced by the fact that all 8 times he has reinserted a duplicate paragraph into the article, despite being told this is the case.

Finally, the edit in question continues to use a clearly unreliable source to make controversial claims, the use of which was also found to be inappropriate a year ago.

An RFC was started by one editor, which has attracted more animosity (such as “I refuse to participate in such a farce.”) while the reverts continue.

Any eyes you could place on this would be helpful – the article and the discussion around it are a bit of a mess.

As always, thank you for your great work and for considering my request to look at this. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)