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Edit requests

Over the last many months, I've submitted multiple edit requests for various semi-protected and ECP pages. I've found that very often, there's a chilling effect where someone , working on the edit request backlog, fails to understand the context and reasoning behind a request and applies the template indicating it has been declined. When I respond in addressing the concerns raised, the very fact of that template having been used once makes subsequent reviewers inclined to believe that I'm trying to force through something controversial without proper discussion, and the edit request has no path forward from that point other than waiting for the protection to expire so that editing directly becomes possible. Is this how edit requests are intended to work? Somehow, based on the text of wp:edit requests, I doubt that the answer is yes. If there are additional guidelines or essays somewhere on this subject (note, I have read wp:why create an account? and evaluated the pros and cons) I would appreciate a pointer.

PS note that I haven't mentioned specific instances because my sense of the Teahouse is that specific content disputes are unwelcome here, and I would hate for my more general concern to get overshadowed by any one specific incident anyway. 107.77.222.94 (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

107.77.222.94 you can reopen an edit request by changing answered=yes back to answered=no and continuing the discussion of what you want changed - that'd probably be more effective than starting a new edit request in most cases. If you feel that an editor has misunderstood you then ping them and let them know - misunderstandings do happen and I think the best solution to that, in Wikipedia and in the outside world, is probably to address them directly. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Citing the same source multiple times in the same article

Good day fellow tea-lovers. I'd be grateful for your help with a problem that's been bothering me for some time. In short, I want an article to include several citations to a certain book, with each citation referencing a different page number. I've studied several Wikipedia Help pages that aim to address this issue, but I have found the information confusing and sometimes contradictory.

You can see an example of what I am trying to achieve in the article on Morningside, Edinburgh. As you will see, this has several citations to a book by Charles J. Smith. The first citation give the full bibliographic details for the book. I created that first citation like this:

<ref name='Smith (1978)'>{{cite book |last1=Smith |first1=Charles J |title=Historic South Edinburgh Volume 1 |date=1978 |publisher=Charles Skilton Ltd |location=Edinburgh |page=146}}</ref>

And that shows like this, which is what I want.

I formatted the subsequent citations to that book like this:

{{sfnp|Smith (1978)|p=148}}

and they rendered like so: Here, the author's name looks like a hyperlink, which I would expect to lead to the full citation. But although it is correctly formatted as a hyperlink (and I can see in the page's source that it is indeed an href), it does not lead anywhere. Nothing happens when you click on it.

Am I doing something wrong, or is what I'm seeing the correct behaviour?

I have tried several combinations of {{sfnp}} and {{sfn}}, with and without page numbers, and several ways of doing the ref name, for example with and without the year of publication, but I get the same result every time.

I'd be grateful for any help with this issue. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Mike Marchmont, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you tried adding {{rp}} after your citation as a more visual representation of page numbers? It renders like this: when I type {{rp|30}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Tenryuu, thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know about {{rp}}. For now, I wil focus on Fuhghettaboutit's response, but I will keep your idea in mind. Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Mike. For overview pages, please see WP:CITESHORT and Help:Shortened footnotes. The issue you are having is that you need to have a section for listing the full works, that is separate, and placed after, a section where the short citations are populated. For example, you would have a ==Notes== section, containing {{reflist}}, followed by a ==References== section containing a bulleted list of the full references, placed using standard citation templates. Now, when the shortened citations link, they have somewhere to link to. So for example, I am going to end this sentence with two shortened citations, and mock up how it should work in the article (this is taken from Glossary of bird terms, where I use a "Bibliography" section to head the full citations, and "Citations" for the shortened citations and other footnotes).

==Notes==

References

==References==

• Lovette, Irby J.; Fitzpatrick, John W. (2016). Handbook of Bird Biology. Wiley. ISBN 978-1-118-29104-7.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, that's fantastic. You have explained in a couple of concise sentences what several Help articles failed to get across. I have now tried your suggestion, and it works perfectly. I will now get to work putting right all the incorrect citations I have inserted since I started editing last year. Many thanks for your excellent advice.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: Wonderful! Thanks for the kind words. Glad to help. BTW, open invitation: Please fee free to drop by my talk page and ask me anything, anytime. I'll try to assist, if I can.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, very good explanation of the mysteries of the markup language. I am puzzled about one thing though.

In your example, the footnote numbers, shown here (this is just a mockup, not using the markup language of your post)

citations, and "Citations" for the shortened citations and other footnotes).[1][2]

On your post, when the cursor is placed over the footnote number in your post, [1] for example, nothing appears. I would expect that the text "Lovette & Fitzpatrick 2016, p. 181" should appear. Am I incorrect in thinking this?

Osomite ^hablemos 19:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Osomite. Sorry – no idea about the hover-over text here. I can only tell you that when I go to the article I wrote where I took this example use from, when I place my cursor over the footnote numbers, I do see the display of the shortened footnote, which doesn't work here, and also that when I place my cursor over the footnote here, the entire line where the linked shortened citations is, highlights in blue, but I only navigate there when I click. So I can only hazatd that it might have something to do with {{Reflist-talk}} as opposed to {{Reflist}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Re: Imdad Hussaini

Imdad Hussaini is linked in Deaths in August 2020 as having died August 27, which to my knowledge, was never challenged. This is the source used. Foreign language Wikipedia articles show him as deceased as well such as this one Instead of getting in an edit war, I thought I'd bring it here. According to the editor that reverted me, claims the poet is alive. I'm not sure given the sources are in a language I can't read. Snickers2686 (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Snickers2686 (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Snickers2686. I have no expertise here, but I popped into Google "pakistani english newspapers", ran some searches and quickly found this - an article from November 2020, stating "Writers, scholars, artists and journalists expected to participate in the sessions, according to the schedule, include ... Imdad Hussaini..." Not definitive, but an indication that news of his demise may be exaggerated. I advise a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Hammad and Obaid Raza. Perhaps they may help. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 11:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Snickers & Aafi This misconception is that Imdad Hussaini is a Sindhi poet and the other Imdad Hussain imdad is a Balti (language) poet. They are two different poets. The source is about the death of Balti poet. While the Sindhi poet is alive [https//www.thenews.com.pk/print/750772-arts-council-to-continue-with-tradition-of-urdu-conference-despite-all-odds]. The names are misunderstood.Obaid Raza (talk) 06:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Obaid Raza: So then the Imdad Hussaini entry should be removed from Deaths in August 2020 then, yes? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

yesObaid Raza (talk) 16:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

infobox reference #s don't match those in text

Hi, I can't get references with multiple mentions to match those in infobox. - they matched until I published, and then issues began. Does Infobox have priority for reference numbering? Should I use the SAME Reference #s in the body as I do in Infobox? Martine (talk) 02:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Martine! Please see this article: Cite Errors, it will explain how to define footnotes so you can invoke them in the text of the article. The article currently attempts to invoke them even though they haven't been defined yet. WP:FOOTNOTES goes into even more detail (but I think the first link will help fix the issue). Orville^talk 04:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Orville, As I'm weak at coding, I removed the InfoBox footnotes as they are well-annotated in the body and awards section. It looks great now and all citations are correct. Thank you for helping. Martine. 19:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Question on Notability

Hi, I the author of a next generation of the Ingalls family that was the subject of Laura Ingalls Wilder's works. I would like to created a Wikipedia page for myself or the subject of my book which is my parents. I have had articles written about me and my book and would like to have a place where people interested in finding out more about me can go. Thank you Rleeingalls (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Rleeingalls: Wikipedia recommends people do not attempt autobiographical articles. See WP:AUTO. If you are truly Wikipedia-notable, in time someone will write about you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 02:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• If yr not notable in the WP sense, there are many other forms of self-publishing, and don't let anyone tell you WP is Everything for Everybody.
  --2601:199:C201:FD70:584C:883A:969A:CC61 (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  

Adding a photo inside infobox

Hello, I have been making minor corrections to Wikipedia articles for years, and recently decided to add one of my photos to an article in French (on Kenneth Gilbert). After uploading to Wikicommons, I believe I followed the instructions to the letter, but in adding the photo the infobox was deleted, which a more experienced editor thankfully put back. Is there any way of knowing what I did wrong? I would like to add the photo to the article in English but am now spooked. Also, the article in French now shows the same photo twice, one underneath the other. 24.48.56.81 (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the English and French editions of Wikipedia are entirely separate projects, with (in some cases) different policies and processes, and mostly different personnel. If the picture is in Commons, there should't be any difficulty adding it to the en-wiki article. But one thing to beware of in Infoboxes: I believe they are not all consistent in the syntax they require for a photo. Most just want the filename (without "File:" on the front, but the extension - ".jpg" or whatever - is always required, and the case must be right). I believe that some do want the "File:", and there may be some that want a full Wikilink. Either look at the documentation for the particular infobox (eg Template:Infobox Sportsperson), or look at other examples of the same infobox. --ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Piermd: I have removed the duplicate photo in fr:Kenneth Gilbert. I see you used VisualEditor. I don't know precisely what you did to delete the infobox but please check a page looks right before saving. In VisualEditor it should always look right. In the source editor you can click "Show preview" before saving to check how it will look. If you discover you saved a mistake and cannot fix it then you can revert your edit. See Help:Reverting. I have added the photo to Kenneth Gilbert with the source editor. My edit was [1]. In an infobox you usually only add the file name in an image parameter and don't write the image code needed to display an image by itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Daniel R. Nichols

I am new to editing and I have created a new page for Daniel R. Nichols, a Vietnam War hero. I think I am ready to publish it for your review, but I am having trouble going from the Sandbox to the publishing stage. Yar365 (talk) 18:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yar365. I'm afraid you have made the common mistake of putting the draft on your User Page, not in your sandbox. If you create the latter, you can submit it from there. Or you can use the articles for creation process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

One comment on the draft is that readers would find it very difficult to verify what facts it contains since (for example) references 1 and 2 are to the home pages of their websites, not to the pages that have the actual information you are quoting. Without verifiability, showing the notability of the individual, the article won't be accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I will work on the citations. Yar365 (talk) 21:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yar365 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Yar365 Nichols fails WP:SOLDIER as his awards do not meet #1, his rank doesn't meet #2 and I don't see that he meets any of the other criteria. I also don't see that he has WP:SIGCOV in multiple WP:RS to satisfy WP:GNG. Sorry but unless there's some other claim to notability its highly likely that the page will be deleted. regards Mztourist (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I am new to this and NOT sure how it got published before I had properly documented the sources. I thought I was still working in the sandbox. If it needs to be moved back to the sandbox so I can finish, I will need help doing so. Thanks, Yar365 (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The page I am trying to establish is for a veteran who is recognized as being a "highly decorated Vietnam War hero. He received two Silver Stars, four Distinguished Flying Crosses, three Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, and several Air Medals with Valor. He was chosen to be the Grand Marshal of the Veterans Day Parade in Marysville, CA (which was canceled due to pandemic) but received front-page coverage of his heroic actions. He is featured in the Museum of Forgotten Warriors in Marysville, CA near his hometown. With proper sourcing, would the page deserve publishing? Yar365 (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You created the draft on your user page not in a sandbox. Your user page is for telling us a little about yourself in relation to Wikipedia. I moved the content to draft space for you, you are free to work on it here for as long as you want to. It is VERY lacking in sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks and I apologize for the mistake. It is all very confusing. Proving Lt. Col. Daniel R. Nichols is highly decorated is not my problem. The problem is rather or not Daniel R. Nichols is concerned a "notable" person. I'll study it more before I move on. In the meantime, I will try to move my draft back to the sandbox. Thanks again for your time. Yar365 (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Help for Wikipedia articles

Hello, as a person who suffers from Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity I wanted to know which sources were needed in order to add that fact to EMF-related articles

I especially wanted to add the EMF issues caused by Wi-Fi, 5G, 4G, 3G, 2G, etc, but each time I tried to add that information with reliable sources it got reverted.

For the record, I don't endorse people who make conspiracy theories about 5G causing autism or Covid 19, I just wanted to add actual facts from science websites to the article, not some opinion piece from Infowars or Prison Planet, you can verify that what I'm saying is correct by going to my contributions. I would like to know what was wrong with any of my revisions because I just don't get it, my problems are very real. -xShaun809 (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Acroterion has been reverting your article edits. A valid next step would be to start a discussion on A's Talk page, perhaps asking if A doubts the quality of your references. Alternatively, start a discussion on the 5G and 4G Talk pages. HOWEVER, given that the lead of Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity starts with "Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a claimed sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, to which negative symptoms are attributed. EHS has no scientific basis and is not a recognised medical diagnosis.", I consider it unlikely that any content can be allowed in the articles you have been trying to edit. David notMD (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, please stop shouting as you did over here, so it's easier to start discussions. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked for making threats toward other editors. David notMD (talk) 02:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with rejected submission

Hello, an article that I have created, Draft:Malinda Kathleen Reese, has now been rejected on two occasions, despite input and cleanup from various editors (for which I’m very grateful). The article cites many reliable sources - multiple news articles, musical theatre magazines, etc., so I would be keen to know what more I need to do to establish notability and pass the review.

Many thanks in advance, Mojo0306 (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

To be clear your draft was declined twice not "rejected", being rejected would mean that it would not be considered further, being declined means there is hope. Some of your sources are not reliable I have left a comment on the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 20:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. I have now made some edits to the page in response to your comment. Mojo0306 (talk) 11:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a corrected image to an article

I am relatively new to this. In the article for Irakion Air Station the quality of the jpg escutcheon used is taken from a scan of the subdued version used on the bdu uniform. I have a colored jpg copy of the actual eschutcheon which I received from the USAF history office. Buit, I can't figure out how to upload the image. Protopappas76 (talk) 22:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Protopappas76. Try taking a look at Wikipedia:Image use policy. The first thing you're going to need to assess is whether the image is protected by copyright as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files. Wikipedia only allows images which have either been released by their copyright holders under an acceptable license or which is considered to be within the public domain to be uploaded and used in articles; there are some exceptions to this as explained in non-free content, but non-free files can be qutie difficult to justify and their are lots of restrictions placed upon their use even when they're OK to upload. Uploading a file itself isn't too difficult as explained in c:COM:UPLOAD and WP:UPLOAD, but files of questionable copyright status should have their issues resolved before they're uploaded; otherwise, they're likely going to end up being deleted for one reason or another. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Depending on the nature of the photo, you might be able to use the same license templates as the existing patch: {{PD-USGov-Military-Army-USAIOH}}{{insignia}}. If you use the Commons Upload Wizard, there will be an "other" option under licensing where you can paste that code. Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:34 Thu 14, AEDT) 11:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Is it about Iraklion Air Station article...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with nominating articles for deletion

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia. I saw a questionable-looking article which I believe should be deleted, specifically Factory automation infrastructure. I believe the content of this article is entirely covered in Automation, and the former article just sounds like an advertisement. Could someone help me understand the AfD process? It looks very confusing. Thanks in advance. widgethocker (talk) 00:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Widgethocker. You can find out more about this in WP:DELETE and WP:AFD. Before nominating or tagging anything for deletion, however, you might want to take a look at WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE. This article was created back in 2014 and maybe it shouldn't have been, but there might be ways other than deletion (e.g. WP:MERGE or WP:REDIRECT) to resolve whatever issues it may have. Perhaps try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Technology to see what some of the members of that WikiProject may think before nominating it for deletion would be a good thing to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Widgethocker:, it is absolutely confusing, and when I first started, it felt like a labyrinth. Even as an experienced user (but only occasional "deleter") I had to make myself a cheat sheet, to summarize the process. Here's mine, which is tailored to someone (me) who has already done it a few times, when all's you need is an abbreviated step-by-step reminder; for a first-timer, this may feel like not enough, or mysterious:

Deletion process cheat sheet (2.1)

Afd process: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion - controversial deletes How to, step-by-step: see WP:AFDHOWTO to nominate a single page, ArticleName, for deletion; summary: Put del tag on article: Insert {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article. (no params) Include in the edit summary: AfD: Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ArticleName]]. Do not mark the edit as minor. Save page. View and look for "Preloaded debate" link. Create deletion discussion page: (see WP:AFDHOW) click "Preloaded debate" in the AfD page to create Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ArticleName Add {{subst:afd2 |pg=ArticleName |cat=Category |text=DelReason}} ~~~~ Pick Category letter from Template:AfD categories Pick DelReason from WP:DEL-REASON (or WP:SPEEDY) Add Edit summary Creating deletion discussion for [[ArticleName]]. and save. Notify users - add {{subst:afd3}} to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/yyyy Month dd]] with edit summary: Listing [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ArticleName]]. Sample Log name (current log): Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 2 Notify creator and main editors with {{subst:Adw|ArticleName}}. Notify WikiProjects: via Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact using same template. go back to deletion log above, and add one {{subst:delsort|Topic|~~~~}} to the nomination, for each WikiProject notified. Pick Topic from Deletion Sorting list. Notes

You're actually in a great position to help me update it; if you could point out the areas above that don't make sense to a first-timer, or are completely opaque, I'd appreciate it; I might be able to rewrite it, and turn it into an essay which might actually help people trying it for the first time. I know it would have helped me. Lmk what you think. (please  mention me on reply; thanks!) Mathglot (talk) 04:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I think your cheat sheet makes decent sense, but I don't know on what page I'm supposed to place the template for notifying users or WikiProjects. I'm also confused with the last step. Am I supposed to replace <topic> with something? If so, what do I replace it with? widgethocker (talk) 16:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Widgethocker and Mathglot: I think all of the terms "article", "Article Name", "ArticleName", "PageName", "NominationName", "Article title", and "<topic>" are to be replaced by the article (page) name – in this case "Factory automation infrastructure" (all without the quotes). The same term should probably be used throughout, right? Or do some of them refer to the "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ArticleName" page or something else? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @Widgethocker and AlanM1:. Here's rev. 2.0 (above) with changes as suggested. This gave me some ideas for more clarifications; keep the suggestions coming... Mathglot (talk) 08:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mathglot: A minor nit: you might want to clarify that the day in the log page is not 0-padded by using only one d in the pattern and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 January 5 as the example. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1:, I did muse about that, but the thing is, it's not a pattern; it's a magic word that produces the actual correct value (so if you refresh tomorrow, the example will change). However, I can add another "note" to clarify it, which I'll do. The person using the cheat sheet, can actually click that example to go to the right place (at least, the first time, when creating it, they can; once I created an Afd a couple minutes before midnight UTC, and by the time I finished and wanted to add more info, it wasn't the same day anymore). Mathglot (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I think the new version of your cheat sheet is greatly improved, and certainly helpful. I think you should turn the cheat sheet into a template (if you can, I'm not fully sure on how that works) so anyone could add it to their userpage for convenient reference. I would definitely use it! Also, perhaps you could highlight any placeholder text so we know what needs to be substituted?widgethocker (talk) 20:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Widgethocker:, I'll create a Draft that you can use to include on your userpage. I should have something for you shortly. Mathglot (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Nullarbor Plain

I'm trying to address the More citations needed section in Nullarbor Plain. It looks like the only part requiring attention is the first sentence. I found a web page that could be cited: https://nan.net.au/the-nullarbor-plain/ It looks like that site is an online travel company called Nullarbor and Neighbours and the article is fairly recent; November 5, 2020. I also found a reference to the Spinifex and Wangai people at https://www.nullarborroadhouse.com.au/the-story-the-nullarbor-tells/ I'm not sure if either of these fits the bill as a reliable, independent, published source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. If these don't fit the bill, where else should I be looking, for information on the Spinifex and Wangai peoples' seasonable occupation of the area? Canberranone (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Canberranone. I think you would be much better off using some of the sources you can access through searches like Trove, Google Books, Google Scholar and Jstor. Best regards---Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Canberranone: If you can verify that they are relevant, copy across some references from Spinifex people and Wangkatha. — Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:44 Thu 14, AEDT) 11:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

How to mark a citation as lacking?

How do I mark a particular citation as lacking? And is it also possible to state the particular reasons why a source is lacking?

I’ve found many sources without particular page cites so it’s impossible to investigate the veracity of the information and where it comes from. PNople (talk) 03:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi PNople. There are many different things that can be problematic with a particular citation, for example if the cite is good but does not verify the content its cited for, you might use {{failed verification}}; or maybe you want {{Better source}}, which has a reason parameter, e.g., {{Better source|reason=|date=January 2021}}. Without knowing what the specific issues are within the specific contexts, I suggest reviewing Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

PNople if it's a book/newspaper/journal/etc citation without a page specified you can add a {{page?}} tag directly after the citation. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Page Neuro-oncology/Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology

What is really wrong if I use brackets for e.g. constipation or depression? Wname1 (talk) 05:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Wname1, welcome to the Teahouse. It appears Quisqualis has opened up a dialogue at Talk:Neuro-oncology, which you may wish to contribute to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Wname1. The problem you seem to be having at Neuro-oncology has to do with WP:OVERLINK. You were WP:BOLD in adding links to various Wikipedia pages, but another editor feels that they are not necessary. This other editor has started a discussion about this at Talk:Neuro-oncology#Overlink in section Neuro-oncology#Clinical problems encountered in neuro-oncology and you're free to discuss things with them there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Wname1 (talk) 07:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Making mistakes

Hi dear sir. Please accept my apologize for making mistake. I practice and do my job well. Please check it. Behnoosh1321 (talk) 05:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Behnoosh1321. Please don't worry about making mistakes; in fact, many Wikipedia articles are gradually improved over time by editors being WP:BOLD and making mistakes. Wikipedia has lots of policies and guidelines and even editors who have been editing for a really long time still make mistakes. The important thing is to try and learn from your mistakes and avoid repeating them over and over again because that's when they start to become a problem that may require some sort of warning or other action be taken. As long as you make your mistakes in good faith and always try to be WP:HERE, you should be fine. However, if you start ignoring any advice or warnings your receiving from others and start to show others that your WP:NOTHERE, then you're likely going to run into trouble. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly thanks for your kind attention and quick reply.--Behnoosh1321 (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

i am unable to see images on Wikipedia or access Wikimedia Commons

Hello everyone, I am unable to view the images in Wikipedia or access the Wikimedia Commons. Whenever I try to visit Wikimedia, the screen displays the 'site cannot be displayed' message. Please help me solve this problem. Regards, Azathoth's Cyan Stitchpunk (talk) 05:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Azathoth's Cyan Stitchpunk: Sounds like missing [[|Domain Name System|DNS records]] for commons.wikimedia.org and upload.wikimedia.org, though It might be something different. We need to know the exact message your browser is displaying including the more longer explanations, because "site cannot be displayed" is the master error message for a vide variety of actual errors. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Victor Schmidt, Thank you so much for helping! However, I'm not really sure how I should upload the error images over here, so I'll write down the error messgae, word-to-word: This site can’t be reached. The connection was reset.
Try: Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
Running Windows Network Diagnostics
ERR_CONNECTION_RESET
After clicking on 'Details' - Check your Internet connection
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Hope this helps! Azathoth's Cyan Stitchpunk (talk) 04:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

wrongfully conviced

My Name is Heather Pesta im writting to say that my dad was wrongfully conviced of a crime that he didnt do. also my dad is a 65 year old man who loves life and his family. he would never hurt anyone... also courts dont have anything on him just his 35year old passed history. please help us free my dad from all of these lies that people are blamming him for.. hes a great guy and a good dad the person behind all this is the person that blamed him for this crime. also i would really like my story to be out there with the courts and the city of Cleveland. 108.238.62.162 (talk) 05:40, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

If this is about a Wikipedia article, you can discuss it on that article's talk page, but Wikipedia will reflect what published, reliable sources say. RudolfRed (talk) 05:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi 108.238.62.162. If there is a Wikipedia article about your father and either you or he have concerns about what's written in that article, then please take a close look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia. As pointed out above, Wikipedia article content is really only intended to reflect what is written about the subjects of article in reliable sources, which means that even negative coverage can be included as explained here and here; however, such content still needs to not be undue and presented in neutral manner. There are editors who will be happy to address your concerns about the article, so just follow the steps in "Relationship between the subject, the article and Wikipedia" page I linked to above. In addition, there's no way for anybody to know who you are from just your IP address, but they might be able to narrow down the location from where you're editing. So, you may want to consider creating a WP:ACCOUNT if you're going to try and seek the assistance mentioned above. You're not required to create an account to edit, but it might help others to help you better, and it might also actually provide you with more anonymity since you're IP address will not be made public. finally, please be careful about how much personal information you reveal on Wikipedia. Pretty much anyone who can access Wikipedia can see what you post and there are some who might choose to use such information in the wrong way. This might be hard to do if you're asking for help with an article about your dad, but please take a look at WP:REALWORLD for how revealing too much personal information might not be a wise thing to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

list of pages that contain a template

is it possible to obtain a list of [links to] pages that contain a certain template ? Gfigs ^talk 06:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Gfigs, welcome to the Teahouse. Just navigate to the page of the template you want (e.g., Template:Re), and click on "What links here" in the sidebar. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

thank you Gfigs ^talk 07:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gfigs: You can also use Help:Searching#hastemplate:. This can be combined with other search terms. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

interesting..Gfigs ^talk 09:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Name Change Request

I would like to change name on profile Taaha Shah on Taha`s behalf on his request.

The name change is Taha Shah Badussha Imagineer entertainment (talk) 08:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Imagineer entertainment, welcome to the Teahouse. You will need to change your username (or create a new account), as Wikipedia's username policy does not allow promotional names like companies. In regards to the request for presumably your client's article (not a profile), that would depend on the name that reliable sources commonly use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Imagineer entertainment. When you have changed your username (or created a new account) as Tenryuu explained, and made the mandatory declarations of your status as a paid editor, you may submit a formal edit request on the article's talk page Talk:Taaha Shah, with citation to reliable published sources for the change you require. Since you have a conflict of interest you should not edit the article directly. The article is currently seriously deficient in that it has no independent sources at all, and so does nothing to establish that Shah meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and the article may get deleted. From Wikipedia's point of view this is very much more important than whether or not the article is up to date with the actor's name. So if you have some reliable independent sources, please post them in an edit request on the talk page too. --ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding picture to an article.

Hello, i wanted to add picture to this article Zeyan Shafiq, i earlier took some pictures from google but they got rejected i think on commons, i later consulted few editors and asked them if i could email the subject person and ask him for pictures, they told me i can do it. So i emailed him and I received couple of pictures(if any one wants to check the email conversation,kindly let me know). How do i post them or should i ask the subject person to upload their pictures by themselves to the commons. Thanks Hums4r (talk) 13:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hums4r. It’s generally better if the copyright holder uploads their work to Commons themselves, but they can instead choose to post their work somewhere online and indicate that it has been released under a license that Commons accepts so that it can be uploaded by someone else. For more on this, please look at c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:OTRS and Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. — Marchjuly (talk) 14:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hellom Hums4r. I'm afraid that the subject sending you the pictures is probably no different from picking them up from the Internet: they are almost certainly still copyright-protected. As Marchjuly indicates, you need the copyright owner - who is quite likely the photographer or the agency they work for, not the subject - to contact Wikimedia directly, as indicated in the links Marchuly gave you. --ColinFine (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

HATNOTES

how do you add hatnotes, "not to be confused with..." and so on Yogibur (talk) 14:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yogibur. Like many areas where you need help, you can use the search box to type WP:HATNOTE and you'll be directed to the correct instruction page, in this case WP:HATNOTE. Alternatively, take a look (in the source editor) at the Wiki markup for a similar hatnote in another article and copy that. Hatnotes come right at the top of the text. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Yogibur, note: the "not to be confused with" is from Template:Distinguish. GeraldWL 14:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Bug in Wikipedia

Hi, there's a bug in the software (MediaWiki? where exactly?). You can see if you try to add the ref https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8936578 as I did, and "fixed" in my edit[2]. See the edit summary for the latter link on what's wrong. For now at least, I (only) report here. Note, also there may be two different ways to fix the date, so at least someone here could tell me if the way I did it is ok, or the other option? That would be good into (for someone making a bug report in the right place). comp.arch (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Comp.arch: When I try to use the auto-fill (the magnifying glass beside the URL field) for that document, it puts "January , 2020" in the date field, which isn't too far off ("January 2020" would be correct). Note this is not uncommon – I find it gets dates and authors wrong a large percentage of the time, which is why users are warned to preview/correct the cites before inserting them. You could report it at WP:VPT and/or add it to one of the existing bug reports about Citoid, like phab:T245092. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:26, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, a) it's strange that you didn't get the illegal "2020-01" as I did (and thus in red "Check date values in: |date= (help)"). I checked again and that's what I get, and I note your "January , 2020" is also illegal, the software could easily fix either (and the logic to know it's wrong, but not to fix, is already there, since it can give the red warning), but b) you didn't comment on the other possibility "Date of Publication: 18 December 2019", so it's at least one if not two bugs.

In my Icelandic user interface I get "Handvirkt" ("manual") and "Sjálfvirkt" ("auto"), and the third bug is that while sometimes auto works, I strangely sometimes I get (for that same link): "We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Handvirkt" tab above." comp.arch (talk) 12:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like @Comp.arch is using VE (NWE / 2017 source editor in the linked diff) and @AlanM1 the 2010 editor, hence the difference in behaviour. Pelagic ( messages ) – (14:50 Sat 16, AEDT) 03:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Already someone listed with the same name on wikipedia

Hi I'm new to wikipedia and have recently published a page. I know it takes time for it to be approved and uploaded. My question is about having a similar page title as someone else on wikipedia. My page title is Bernie Masterson (visual artist), the other Bernie Masterson (is a sports person). Will this impede my page from being uploaded. Thanks Bernie Masterson (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Bernie Masterson First, you made a common beginners' error in creating a draft at your User page, which is place for a bit of content about you as a Wikipedia editor, not a article draft. As such, it is not 'published.' I suggest you go to Help:Your first article and follow the instructions to move this content into a draft that can then be submitted to Articles for Creation (AfC) for review. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Second, your draft should not have any hyperlinks in the body of the article ( you have many). And last, given your User name is the same as the proposed article, be aware that Wikipedia strongly frowns on attempts at autobiography (WP:AUTO). David notMD (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Writing biography

How to get a biography approved

I'm posting a short wikipedia page about the current CEO of OpenUK Amanda Brock, but unsure how to get it approved as it's my first time writing one - I'm not trying to be promotional or not reference correctly, just wondering if anyone could give me some tips or advice? Thanks Amurphy79 (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Amanda Brock (has been declined twice). David notMD (talk) 02:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

New hopes

Hello Pahunkat! I may be a new user, but i would like to contribute heavily to some untouched topics or aspects of wikipedia, but I don't know the roads to well and might need some assistance. I am very unsure on how to create new pages or how to reference my edits so that they are deemed viable. If you could get back to me on this and help me out, that would be great, thankyou! Labriant1204 (talk) 17:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Labriant1204: First of all hats off for the hopes you have. If you want to create new articles, first you have to read this and then visit this page and start writing. Then simply submit that written material for review to get published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamilalibhat (talk • contribs) 17:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

↑ With that said, I would take the time to get used to editing pre-existing articles, Labriant1204, as creating an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on here. A helpful tutorial is The Wikipedia Adventure, which engages new users in being acquainted with Wikipedia's five pillars and some basic editing skills and etiquette. If you need more information about properly citing, WP:EASYREFBEGIN should be of help to you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

To become Autopatrolled user

Hi there, a question is stuck in my mind that how did I become Autopatrolled user. Although I have become Extended confirmed user, I want to achieve more and now my target is to become Autopatrolled user. I read that we must have 25 articles but it didn't explained that should we have made 25 articles or edited 25 articles excluding redirects and deleted ones. Now from you people, I want complete information about Autopatrolled users and their work. Kamilalibhat (talk) 17:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Kamilalibhat. Please stop chasing statuses. There is only one measure that matters for status in Wikipedia: that you add value to the encyclopaedia, whether by writing good articles, improving existing articles, deleting articles that are never going to be acceptable, turning useless articles into valuable ones, adjudicating disputes between users, usefully answering questions on the help desk and teahouse ... Nobody but you cares wheter you are autoconfirmed or extended confirmed or, really, if you are an admin (OK, they care if you're an admin, because then you are somebody they can ask to do difficult cleanup work). I repeat, the only status that matters is that you have a history of doing good for the encyclopaedia. That is where you should put your effort. To answer your specific question: Autopatrolled is a status you get by creating enough articles that are good enough to keep that any new articles you create do not need to be patrolled by somebody else to check that they are acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) @Kamilalibhat: See Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. You must have created 25 articles. Is there a reason you want to get the autopatroled userright? Beware of WP:HATCOLLECTING. RudolfRed (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

You are Autoconfirmed, not Autopatrolled. So far, you have created one draft and zero articles. The draft has been submitted for review. It is likely to be Declined for not having sufficient references. David notMD (talk) 18:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

When does copyright become a problem

I gave this question a section title David notMD (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

What percentage of an article can be the same words as it's source? 71.183.212.131 (talk) 18:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. There is no percentage. Article content should summarize what reliable sources say, and be written in each editor's own words. The only exception is direct, attributed quotations, and they should be used sparingly. Please read the policy Wikipedia:Copyright violations for more information. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Where can I start editing/creating?

Where to begin? I wish to create an article, but the only experience I have is my user page, Which is kind of bad. Is there anywhere I can get some creating/editing help? Thanks in advance. DFletcher0306 (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

DFletcher0306, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking on getting a tutorial on using and editing Wikipedia, you may be interested in The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest, for the meantime, sticking to maintaining articles, like checking spelling or finding sources, as creating an article is one of the hardest things to do on here. You should probably familiarise yourself with Your first article before creating your first, and confirm that the subject you want to write about is notable for Wikipedia's standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Birth date change - list year only

For David Gross, I deleted the actual month and day, as ID fraud is growing. The year is sufficient. But an editor put it back in. I'd like to remove it. Martine. 18:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

MartineWhite Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review WP:BLPPRIVACY. What you ask will be difficult to do since Gross was awarded a Nobel Prize and his birthdate is in his biography on the Nobel awards website and as such is available to the public- but you may discuss your concerns on the article talk page, Talk:David Gross. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

331dotOK, that does make sense. Thanks for your prompt help!Martine. 19:08, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi protected

I read that the semi-protected page can't be edited by users that don't have more that 4 days and ten edit. I do all this things but even now i can't edit the semi-protected pages. Why?? TommasoRmndn (talk) 18:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

TommasoRmndn From what I can see, you are now autoconfirmed. Which article are you attempting to edit? 331dot (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

331dot The page Mona Lisa in wikipedia eng. I don't know why, but i continue to see the silver padlock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommasoRmndn (talk • contribs) 19:29, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

TommasoRmndn, we all see the padlock. To the left of it there should be three tabs: Read, Edit/Edit source, and View history. Click the 'Edit/Edit source' button, make the changes you want, click publish changes, type in an edit summary, and hit publish changes again. If you've done all of that and you are still having problems, let us know. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 19:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Fiorenzo Di Giovanni

Should I use DEFAULTSORT with 'Di Giovanni, Fiorenzo' or 'Giovanni, Fiorenzo Di', he is French, feel free to point me at the right place, Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I think its the former...GrahamHardy (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Six of the seven results of this search agree with "Di Giovanni, Fiorenzo" and the one that doesn't may have a good reason. A random six of the 62 hits for this search (in Italy) agree as well. It seems wrong to me, though. You can see the effect at the D section of Category:Footballers from Rome. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy: Found it! WP:MCSTJR says it's based on case of the particle: "Generally, Dutch, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish names do not include lowercase particles in sorting, but do include uppercase particles." In looking at the examples above, I was surprised that the "Di" was capitalized, but it does seem to be consistent, so maybe that is explained somewhere, too. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This has been confusing for me for a long time, but you may find guidance on this Stackexchange discussion about particles when citing MLA style. One responder says:

Therefore, when capitalized, the particle should always be treated as part of the last name. If lowercase, you can treat it as a suffix that goes after the first name. The exception are names like "de Gaulle" where "de" is followed by a one-syllable name.

It appears that Wikipedia follows this trend, as Alan pointed out. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

reverted citation

Dear sir some buddy reverted all of my cited articles. please check them and tell me what happened! Behnoosh1321 (talk) 19:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

What happened was you were inserting hyperlinks into articles rather than creating references, so all that reverted, and you are Warned on your Talk page that your actions are considered spamming, and can lead to being blocked. David notMD (talk) 19:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It's less about the formatting and more about the fact that it's blatant spam and they're doing it cross wiki. CUPIDICAE💕 19:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

In later posts, Behnoosh1321 has been inserting the same connections as references rather than hyperlinks. Is that still spamming? David notMD (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Behnoosh1321 has been globally locked. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing extended confirmed

For editing Extended confirmed pages, you need 30 days and 500 edits. Do these edits include non-Mainspace edits or deleted edits? 777burger ^{talk contribs} 19:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, both. See WP:XC.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

i am new

I am new and looking for some help anyone willing to help me if so reply on my talk page Artemis23747 (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Artemis23747, if you say what you are looking for help with, you're more likely to get that help. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration vs Conflicts

I'm new and wondering from experienced Wikipedians, what percentage of your dealings with co-editors is collaborative and positive, and how much is spent in conflict, with poor dialog, personal agenda issues, etc? DHHornfeldt (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The collaborativeness percentage is usually very high. Sometimes it goes down. If it goes down a lot, and I'm certain that I'm right, I may decide to tough it out. Or I may give Wikipedia editing a break. I don't think I've ever lost sleep over Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Depends mainly on topic: politics, religion, race issues, country conflicts - all prone to heated disagreements. David notMD (talk) 00:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Well I've experienced antagonism and apathy and my morale is low. Avoiding the 'hot topics' has met with trolls in the wreckage of orphaned pages who are much better connected and savvy than myself. I have yet to collaborate. DHHornfeldt (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

New Page with 20+ citations (incl. NYT + John Oliver) lacks reliable resources?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC)

I am attempting to submit a new page for an educational research institution here (Draft:Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC)). However, the page has been rejected twice for the reason that it does not have sufficient independent resources showing relevance. I don't understand how to correct this since I have included 20 references so far to TRAC being used by national outlets ranging from the New York Times to Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. What am I missing? I would greatly appreciate any clarification you can provide. Austinkocher (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I've looked into hardly any of the 21 current references for Draft:Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC). However, I note that quite a number appear to be to TRAC itself. References to TRAC itself are proper for some purposes, but the number of independent references isn't 21. The section "Research Approach" is unreferenced. I'm puzzled by the notion of "Immigration Enforcement" -- does it mean counter-immigration enforcement, or immigrant repression? -- but anyway the section so titled has two references. One is to an AP article that cites considerable "ICE data housed by the Transactional Access [sic] Clearinghouse at Syracuse University" but otherwise says nothing about T(R)AC. The other is to a Time article that says no more than "according to data by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, 64% of ICE detainees as of April 2019 had no criminal convictions". Could you perhaps point us to the three articles, independent of TRAC, that say most about TRAC? -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

So here's one example of something that is referenced there as a conversation starter: (https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-10-31/research-group-finds-issues-with-justice-department-immigration-data-reports) that includes the following: "Those issues could have grave implications because policymakers, judges and the public rely on the data to make decisions, the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a nonpartisan research center housed at Syracuse University, said in the report released Thursday. Through ongoing Freedom of Information Act requests, TRAC routinely receives from the Justice Department's Executive Office for Immigration Review, which oversees the U.S. immigration court system. The research group is well-respected among policymakers, reporters and researchers, and it frequently publishes data analysis and reports on several topics, including immigration." Austinkocher (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Do you have any more? (You don't need to quote them here. Just link to them.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

For sure. All of them that are referenced at the bottom are like that, except for the five out of 21 that cite TRAC's original publications. I'm not sure if I should copy and paste all of the links that are already there or not. Austinkocher (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Are like which? The Time and AP pieces say little about TRAC. The usnews.com piece is much more informative. I'm wondering about references that describe TRAC (as does the usnews.com page), rather than those that do little more than credit TRAC for supplying this or that information (valuable though the supply clearly is). -- Hoary (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I have read your user page. Thank you for your informativeness. Please read WP:Conflict of interest, which explains how, in Wikipedia's terms, you are "connected" and have a conflict of interest (COI) -- even though you won't profit (your salary won't increase, the value of your shares won't go up) if there's a Wikipedia article about TRAC. Please disclose your COI on Draft talk:Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC). I strongly suggest that you stop editing the draft; however, you are very welcome to make suggestions on Draft talk:Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC). -- Hoary (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks for letting me know. I just did that. I'll stop editing and let others work on the page who are not affiliated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Austinkocher (talk • contribs) 23:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Austinkocher. However, please don't go away. The draft looks promising. Please do make suggestions on its talk page. (And while I hope that it's never vandalized, it is about the kind of subject that winds up xenophobes and other bird-brains. If you do ever notice simple vandalism, please don't hesitate to revert it: there's no need to apply for and receive permission beforehand.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much! This has been a good experience. I'll definitely stick around. Austinkocher (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Austinkocher. Just some things about some image files you've uploaded to Commons for use in the draft. "Own work" means that you created the image yourself (i.e. you designed it, you photographed it, etc.) and you own the copyright on it; it doesn't mean that you got the image from somewhere else, downloaded it or scanned it onto your computer, and then uploaded it to Commons. So, if you didn't create these images, it's better for you to provide a link to the sources where you got them because you should't really be uploading someone else's creative work to Commons under a "cc-by-sa-4.0" without their WP:CONSENT. In the case of File:TRAC Logo.jpg, the logo is probably too simple to be eligible for copyright protection per c:Commons:Threshold of originality#United States so probably the only thing that needs to be done is to provide more information about the logo's provenance and change the license to c:Template:PD-text logo. File:TRAC's Interactive Data Tool for Deportations.jpg, on the other hand, looks like a screenshot or screengrab that's way too complex to be inelgible for copyright protection. The data gotten from the US government that is used to create that graph is probably public doimain, but the graphical representation itself is probably copyright protected and the copyright over it is likely held by whomever designed and developed the software as explained in c:COM:SCREENSHOT and c:COM:CB#Scientific or technical diagrams. FWIW, copyright over such content seems to be being claimed here. So, if that's not you, then you're going to need to follow the instructions in c:COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder and get the copyright holder's (or holders' consent); otherwise, Commons won't be able to keep the file. If it is you, then you're going to need to follow the instructions in c:COM:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS?. Please note that even if you're working for the university or are part of the team that's running this project, you still might not be a copyright holder if your work is considered to be work for hire. The university and the project might be sharing copyright ownership over the project which means that Commons will need the permission of all the copyright holders involved in order to keep such content.

Another thing you might want to look at has to do with your userpage. It has (no disprespect intended) a WP:FAKEARTICLE feel to it, primarily because its written in the third person like is done with articles. Assuming that you are the person you've written about on your user page, you might want to take a look at WP:UPYES. It's OK to add some personal content about you and your real world activities, but you need to be careful to not do too much so that it appears you're using Wikipedia as a WP:NOTWEBHOST because that is one of the main reasons that userpages tend to get deleted.

Some other things you need to be aware of are WP:COI and WP:PAID if your connected to the TRAC. In particular, its very important to comply with PAID if it applies to you (see meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure) because not doing so is a violation of Wikipedia's Terms of Use. I've added a template about this stuff to your user talk page for reference. The template contains links to pages that you might find helpful.

Finally, one thing about your username, editors can use their real names if they want per WP:REALNAME, but try and remember that Wikipedia is in the WP:REALWORLD, which means everything you do on Wikipedia can be seen by others and they can use that information for better or worse if they want. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone

How are you all? I am new here and hope to become a good editor here. Endymiona19 (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. We're all hunky-dory. Happy editing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Endymiona19, and welcome! I see that David notMD has already sent you a Welcome message on your user Talk page as well. Glad you're here, and feel free to ask questions, anytime. Mathglot (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Us government / Bicameralism

Yes or No 2601:46:C784:E1D0:9CB2:715F:BAFF:EF7D (talk) 02:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

2601:46:C784:E1D0:9CB2:715F:BAFF:EF7D, did you have a question to ask about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

If you don't see the answer at United_States_Congress, you can ask at the Reference Desk WP:RD, but you will need to state your question in the form of a question. RudolfRed (talk) 03:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Changing User Name

I have been asked to change my username by a couple of contacts from Wiki, yet another said that my username is fine. 1) Should I change my username? (I have posted to Morocco Leather... I am an expert on this subject and authored a published article) 2) If I should change my username, PLEASE tell me EXACTLY how to change my username without just referring me to a series of long "self help" paragraphs

Thanks so much, Steven Siegel StevenSiegelLeather (talk) 03:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC) StevenSiegelLeather (talk) 03:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(1) If there is any question, I would err on the side of caution and do so, (2) you can request a rename at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 03:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

This username is a policy violation. The username represents this longstanding business which is a policy violation, and the account has engaged in self-promotional editing, which is another policy violation. I have blocked the account. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The block is for two reasons - your choice of User name being the same as your business, and your attempts to cite your own publication(s) in an article. If you want to continue at Wikipedia, request to be unblocked. This will require a new name and a promise not to cite yourself, as that is considered promotional and a conflict of interest (see WP:COI). Given the COI, your approach to articles about leather should be limited to contributing to the Talk pages of those articles, perhaps proposing changes there, for other editors to consider and act upon. I suggest you also read Wikipedia:Expert editors, the section on Advice for expert editors. For example, I have degrees and publications in the field of nutritional biochemistry (credentials mentioned on my User page), but I never reference my own work. David notMD (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Keep in mind when you choose a new name, that it must be yours alone; it cannot be shared. So that whenever an edit has your username attached to it in the revision history, that means that you, personally, made that edit; not someone else (like an employee) who shares the account with you or did it on your behalf. Mathglot (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question about my article

Why is my article declined all the time? SkateboardingWiki (talk) 07:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Jonny Giger. Declined once. The reviewer gave reasons. David notMD (talk) 08:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

SkateboardingWiki, in case you can't see it: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." GeraldWL 08:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, you do not hold the copyright to the image you uploaded to Wikipedia Commons and then added to the draft. David notMD (talk) 08:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, see WP:Notability for more details. GeraldWL 08:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

And WP:RS. GeraldWL 08:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Notifying Pahunkat as reviewer. GeraldWL 08:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

First, apologies to SkateblardingWiki for what must feel like piling on, because it is. I suggest you review existing articles about skateboarders to get an idea of what counts as a reliable source reference (like, not the subject's own Instagram or Youtube), and then rewrite your draft. The key question is whether Giger has sufficient notability. David notMD (talk) 08:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me Gerald, I can't add more than what everyone has said. The person's Instagram and YouTube will never be reliable sources that can be used to establish notability. Pahunkat (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

How do i delete a Reference in Wikipedia? SkateboardingWiki (talk) 08:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

If you're in the source editor, you should be able to do this simply by removing the <ref></ref> tags and any code inside them. Pahunkat (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

Should i remove Giger YouTube and Instagram information in my article? SkateboardingWiki (talk) 09:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, because they aren't reliable sources. Pahunkat (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Finding my pages.

How do I find my pages on search. I have been trying but I can't find it. Are you guys okay (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Are you guys okay. I'm not sure what you mean by 'your' pages. The only page you seem to have created is your user page, user pages are not indexed by search engines in order to not distract from Wikipedia articles. If you'd like to create a Wikipedia article then you might want to read Your first article to get an idea of how it's done. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Two more questions by SkateboardingWiki

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jonny_Giger

Question

Should i remove Braille Skateboarding reference too? And Pahunkat, can you please help me fix that article if needed? SkateboardingWiki (talk) 09:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi SkateboardingWiki. Currently it's just a link to Braille's homepage, not an item stating that they are featuring Giger. Do you think that's a useful source? Would anyone clicking that link reach the exact same conclusion as the statement it's a citation for? If not then it's not really a citation at all. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

Will i get declined again, if i don't remove the picture from Wikimedia Commons? I requeted to delete that! SkateboardingWiki (talk) 09:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi SkateboardingWiki. That won't matter. Articles for Creation will not be declined or accepted based on images or the lack thereof, just on article prose and references. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Friendly announcement

Mosfilm, the largest film studio in the Soviet Union, has released all of their film, full-length, on their official YouTube channel. Check here. You might try linking those to the external links section in the corresponding articles. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. I suggest you make this information known at Talk:Mosfilm where editors involved with that article can assess its suitability.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael & Shantavira I think WP:GLAM might also be interested in this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

How do i find my article? Want to edit it, but can't find it! SkateboardingWiki (talk) 12:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

SkateboardingWiki Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft you created is at Draft:Jonny Giger. You can find a record of your contributions in your contribution history, which if you are using the desktop version of Wikipedia, a link to can be found in the upper right corner of the screen.(I don't know how to do it in the app or mobile versions, which do not have full functionality). 331dot (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

You can find it in mobile via the sidebar, but via app, when you search for it, you'll be redirected to Browser/Chrome/Safari. GeraldWL 12:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Please tell.

Please tell why my submission was declined.

Actually there was nothing to tell about that person. Only I wanted to make a page so a person can know about that person as many leess people know about that person. Divyanshi Singh 10 (talk) 12:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Divyanshi Singh 10 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not social media to merely tell about the existence of people. This is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about people that meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. If you have nothing to tell about this person other than their existence, they would not merit a Wikipedia article. Please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Divyanshi Singh 10, it has no citations, thus making it not notable. I tried finding sources, but there seem to be none. Reviewer Kpgjhpjm may help elaborate. GeraldWL 12:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: and @Divyanshi Singh 10: . I Fully agree with what the two responses have said and I can confirm those were the reasons for me rejecting the draft . If you can expand it and source it with Reliable source feel free to resubmit . Kpgjhpjm 13:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

If i make a page of people, will it be on Google like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=tony+hawk

(On right upper corner) SkateboardingWiki (talk) 12:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

We have no control over Google or any other search engine, so we cannot tell you whether or not any particular topic or page will appear among its search results.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

See Google Knowledge Graph for the Google "knowledge panel" in the upper right corner. It's made by Google and may or may not include information from Wikipedia. If a person has a Wikipedia biography then it's often used by Google but we have no control over whether Google makes a panel or what they put in it. Note that only a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" is stated to be from Wikipedia. Google does not reveal the source of other information in their panels. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@SkateboardingWiki: Google does not use our drafts so Draft:Jonny Giger will not be in Google while it's a draft. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

article

Hi , i wrote article, i add sources but its still not published. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Petre_Naskidashvili&oldid=992795330 please help. Thank you Nikoloz82 (talk) 13:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nikoloz82, I've added a Draft template to the top of your article - when you think it's ready to be published just click on the button that says "Submit for Review". A reviewer will then make the decision to publish or not. --Paul ❬talk❭ 15:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit being reverted without giving any reason

Hi. I have noticed that my edits are being reverted by a editor without giving me a valid reason for the same. Would like to know what action can be taken in this scenario?

Secondly, just because I am from minority group within Baha'i Faith, is it not unjust that the people belonging to the majority group can try to supress my my point. --Asad29591 (talk) 14:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC) Asad29591 (talk) 14:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Asad29591, your edit is reverted because you're using WorldCat Identities, which are usually considered not reliable as a citation. It has nothing to do with your ethnicity, tribe, or race. GeraldWL 14:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I edit.

Hi I am new here I don't know yet how to edit Wikipedia can someone please help me. And what does -78bytes means Are you guys okay (talk) 14:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Are you guys okay. You've already made a handful of edits so I think you've probably got that mostly figured out. In an edit history, -78 bytes means that after the edit, the article was 78 bytes smaller - in practice that means just a few words shorter. Those indicators are useful if you want to see at a glance that a particular edit added or removed a lot of content but most of the time you can just ignore them. --Paul ❬talk❭ 15:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

LP GAS EXPORTING and IMPORTING

please help me in the project of getting a license in importing gas Pishai Allan Muchauraya (talk) 14:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, an encyclopedia. We don't give people jobs or licences- you would need to contact organisations directly for that. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

how can i send an article at the first time

how to send an article as a new user Pishai Allan Muchauraya (talk) 14:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pishai Allan Muchauraya: I assume this refers to User:Pishai Allan Muchauraya/sandbox, which is not an encyclopedic article. Wikipedia is neither a way to talk about predictions, nor is it a way to get licenses for sth. (see Encyclopedia for that). Advice for how to create a new article can be found here, here or here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Imo Draft

Draft:Imo_(app) I created this draft and there is one light yellow notice at the bottom for review. Can I move this to mainspace? Or someone only has to do. Please let me know if there is any issue in it. Sonofstar (talk) 15:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sonofstar: While you technically probbably can move it to mainspace, I don't recommend it, because if you managed to miss something, it will be either sent back or deleted, neither of which helps you in any way. Please also only do one thing, submitting for review or moving directly to mainspace. Both is a waste of time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

New articles

I submitted some drafts a while back and I still haven't had them reviewed. I even resubmitted one because it seemed like I must have done something wrong. If there's a way to get them reviewed more quickly could you point me in the right direction or if I decide to move them to mainspace what is the likelihood that they'd be removed? Here are the articles: Draft:Art Napoleon (Artist), Draft:Quanah Style, and Draft:Nick Sherman. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: the oldest one of those was (re)submitted on November 16th. The review backlog is currently between 3 and 4 months. Please be patient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking for someone who might be interested in creating a article with me on 'KashBook'.

Hi, im looking for someone to assist me with writing this article on Draft:KashBook. it was a social media website by Zeyan Shafiq when the social media services were banned in kashmir in 2017, as per my research and suggestions from experienced editors i think this article meets notability guidelines and they have suggested me that this should be created. i am weak at english writing and grammer so i am looking for someone to help me write it cleanly, i can provide the researched rough write up's. we both can take credit as mutual creators for this article on our wiki user pages. thanks, drop a hi on my talk page if interested. Hums4r (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC) Hums4r (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

[NB: duplicate post already replied to on Help Desk.] {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.40.9 (talk) 19:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

??? I have seen no reply there, only a comment referring readers to this post.  --Lambiam 14:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

If you already have a rough write up, why don't you simply begin by posting it at Draft:KashBook, including any relevant references?  --Lambiam 14:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Ramotion Draft Review

Hello, can someone help look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ramotion and see if it qualifies as a stub which can be approved? AlikotoSam (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@AlikotoSam: You've already submitted it for review. Just be patient. You can work on something else, or continue to improve the draft. RudolfRed (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Alright thank you.--AlikotoSam (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Guidance for COI

Hello editors! Is there a particular place I should be posting requests for editing assistance with updates to my company's article because of my paid conflict of interest as an employee? I'm new to the community and looking to learn more about the best approach. So far, I have posted requests to the article's Talk page and looked for collaboration on Talk pages of a few relevant WikiProjects. After learning about the edit request template, I added that to my requests as well. Finally, I have posted to the Talk pages of individual editors who I thought might be relevant and interested, some with no reply and two declining interest. I understand that I must not edit my company's page myself and am looking for a path forward to help update the encyclopedia while honoring the rules in place for a COI editor like me. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! SCbhaynes (talk) 16:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Additional Question from SkateboardingWiki

How to change from draft to article, or it will change automatically after review?--SkateboardingWiki (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC) 

Hi SkateboardingWiki, the reviewer will take care of that. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Request for a page speedy deletion for my page Bernie Masterson Artist.

Hi I am requesting a speedy deletion for my page Bernie Masterson Artist. Thank you. Bernie Masterson (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Looks like Draft:Bernie Masterson (artist) has already been deleted. --Paul ❬talk❭ 17:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest for contributors from independent researchers

I work part-time with a small organisation in the UK which is focused on the role the private sector - local and international - can play in economic development and poverty reduction in the developing world. We are funded by our 22 members - UN agencies, the World Bank, bilateral donor agencies and foundations. We don't advocate any particular approach to private sector development or receive contributions from companies. Our goal is simply to help our members share experience and disseminate research (some of which we carry out ourselves). We recently posted a couple of additions to the Wikipedia pages on 'Private Sector Development' and 'Digital Divide'. This was picked up by one of the editors who accused us of a conflict of interest. The editor has not only removed our new entries, but also deleted other references to our organisation, some of which were posted by third parties several years ago. When I requested an explanation I was referred to Wikipedia's COI noticeboard. This states that 'editors who have such a connection [a close personal or business connections with article topics] can still comply with the COI guideline by discussing proposed article changes first, or by making uncontroversial edits. COI allegations should not be used as a "trump card" in disputes over article content.' My feeling is that we have stayed within that definition because our additions simply served to deepen and expand some of the concepts already included on the respective pages, based on the many resources we host on our own website on these topics. It feels particularly unreasonable - and detrimental to other users - that the editor has removed references which have been on Wikipedia for years just because they don't agree with our most recent additions. I would very much appreciate guidance on how to proceed. Holgergrundel (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Holgergrundel Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If your edit has anything to do with your organization, it is really best to go to the article talk page and make an edit request. If your edit was removed, it is not uncontroversial any longer and should be discussed with independent editors to arrive at a consensus. You might find this plain language, briefer explanation of COI helpful. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

What classifies a subject for a redirect? Does the parent article need to contain a section or information about the topic? I came across a redirect for Allma that takes you to Chlorella. This was really confusing as a user, since there is only a minor mention of Allma on the page. I've also come across other examples in the past. I left a comment on the talk page but not sure if that's the best place to suggest changes. Sfern824 (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC) Sfern824 (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Sfern824. If there's no corresponding article then redirecting to a mention in another article can be valid but it's always good to be critical of these things. The principle of least astonishment is worth bearing in mind. As Chlorella products are a main feature of Allma, it shouldn't be too surprising for whoever searches looking for that company. However, the question is raised whether cluttering the search results with this redirect is worth it (is Allma a significant company?) and whether there may be other more noteworthy topics called 'Allma' that users may be searching for. I don't have a specific answer for you right now, maybe someone more familiar with RfD can advise. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Zindor, thank you. Based on WP:POLA, it might make sense to redirect to a different page if anything else is more applicable; I'll take a look. And I'm not sure if they are a significant company, honestly I had never heard of them before. Is there a discussion board specifically for questions about redirects? Sfern824 (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

There is, rather unastonishingly called, Redirects for discussion. --Paul ❬talk❭ 20:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I guess that should have been easy for me to find. Thank you! Sfern824 (talk) 21:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

That's my fault Sfern824, I mentioned RfD but never explained what it stood for! Apologies. Zindor (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

New editor

I would like to help Wikipedia by editing articles, what do I need to become an editor? Jose 190.200.176.29 (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are an "editor" simply by being here and being willing to contribute. It's not required, but it's a good idea to create an account, which provides several benefits not available to those without accounts. It also will allow you to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Dear Host,

What makes the teahouse come to life? I mean, what is the purpose of it? Is it just for us to suffer writing these stinking questions while you enjoy everything possibly imaginable? Or is it just to talk about questions that you answered for the 12 millionth time? In other words, who suffers: you or me? -Painful WikiLove Goat (talk) 17:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

If asking questions is arduous, you are under no obligation. --Paul ❬talk❭ 18:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

New editor making a series of useless edits to pad edit count. WP:NOTHERE TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Would someone please warn this new (14 January) user, or go straight to block for WP:NOTHERE? So far, dozens of small edits, all reverted. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

IP Question

How to create new article on Wikipedia? And Happy Birthday Wikipedia(15th January) 103.139.56.9 (talk) 18:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Have a read of Your First Article. --Paul ❬talk❭ 18:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Artistic Custom Signature

This might be slightly embarrassing but... I am trying to make a custom signature. How do I make the signature artistic, similar to what a few other Wikipedians have? (Wikipedians is the correct term right?) Also, Happy Birthday Wikipedia! DFletcher0306 (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DFletcher0306, you may be looking for the signature tutorial. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Searching ITN

I'm trying to look for an ITN entry about Lewis Hamilton so I can add it to the page's TP using Template:ITN talk. Problem is, I don't remember what day the ITN entry was on... does anyone know how to search through ITN? (Or is it Portal:Current Events I should be looking at?) I'm not sure what parameters I should be inputting into Wikipedia's search. Zupotachyon (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Zupotachyon. You could search Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/Archives or Wikipedia:Main Page history#Snapshots of the Main Page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the links, I'll check them out. Zupotachyon (talk) 08:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Feedback from reviewer

I cleaned up and submitted this draft based on feedback from the previous review. It seems to be stuck in the review process at this point even though I've reached out to past reviewers after addressing their comments. Are there other reviewers that I can receive feedback from? I believe the issues have been resolved but it will require review by another editor. Sfern824 (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Status: Two Declines in November, revised and resubmitted in early December. Given thousands of drafts at AfC, all that can be promised in can takes days to months. Until then, be patient. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It's not an draft that will appeal to reviewers, whose primary task will be to check for citations that help to establish notability. Most of the cited sources that I've checked are based on what employees of and investors in the company have said, and so not independent and not helping with notability. If there are good sources cited somewhere in that list, you could make it easier for a reviewer to find them by getting rid of most of the others. Maproom (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ask for an Article Creation

I have been following the creation and implementation of the Wounded to Work Congressional Caucus and how do I ask for someone to create a page on Edward Gerety, the guy who created it? He has created other organisations that impact a lot of people but he stays hidden. 173.66.129.7 (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid there's no easy way to make this happen. Basically, you've got two choices: write it yourself, or get one or more other editors interested in writing it. Writing it yourself is very difficult for inexperienced editors: see Your first article for more. There is a formal method for requesting an article, which is to post at Requested articles, but I don't think there is much take-up: editors are all volunteers, and they work on what they choose, so for an request at RA to get taken up it requires first that an editor go and look there, and second that that editor is drawn to create your suggestion rather than any of the hundreds of others. The other possibility is to find an editor who is already interested in your area, and suggest it. If you go to the article Wounded to Work Congressional Caucus, and pick "History", you can see which editors have worked on that article: you might post a suggestion at their User Talk page(s). Alternatively, if there is a WikiProject which covers a relevant area, you could post at that project's talk page. In either case, your task is not so much "requesting" an article, but giving the people you're talking to a reason why they might want to work on it. One way you can make your suggestion more attractive is by doing what can be the most time-consuming part of the process yourself: find some reliable sources, such as major newspapers, or academic journals, which discuss Gerety: the goal is to find enough sources to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, because if he doesn't nobody is going to waste time on creating an article which is never going to be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Question About Editing

I know the primary activity here is adding new information from different sources, but for some reason that feels really daunting to me. I've tried correcting spelling and grammar, but most of those edits get reverted, and to be honest, I'm feeling a bit lost here. Is there anything else I can do to be helpful here, things that won't get reverted? I do want to be a good editor here, but am unsure of where to start. Endymiona19 (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Endymiona19, welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to start out via The Wikipedia Adventure, which guides new users in being accustomed to Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Endymiona19. There are plenty of discrete tasks you can help out with that are listed at Wikipedia:Community portal#Help out that are not "fraught". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I have yet to collaborate or add anything besides a citations template without it being reverted. I am a person who appreciates support to begin making positive changes, but I have yet to find it on Wikipedia. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Like this 'teahouse.' If you were looking for conversation over tea it is surprising when you find you're actually standing at an info booth and being redirected. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DHHornfeldt I'm sorry that the Teahouse disapointed in that sense. The fact is that the talk-page format isn't really suited to a social setting. If I may redirect you again, some Wikipedians do use live chat to speak to each other which does have more of a chatty vibe to it - see WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD depending on your preference, I suspect that might be more your... ...cup of tea. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

DHHornfeldt, Welcome to the teahouse. You do make an interesting point but I think it's a little misplaced. Let me see if I can persuade you. Imagine walking into a physical tea shop, and asking for directions to the loo. if you received the response, "welcome to our tea house, why don't you please have a seat, I'll bring you a cup of tea and we can talk" when you really want to be told how to find the loo, I think you'd agree that they weren't being helpful by offering to engage in a conversation when they simply wanted information. This is a place for chatting but it's also an information resource. If someone comes in and asks a question that has been asked 100 times before, it is far more efficient to point them to the place where all the questions are answered rather than taking the time to rewrite and possibly misexplain the concepts. Your initial post express the frustrations of many brand-new editors and you specifically asked where to start. years of experience with brand-new editors led us to the conclusion that we needed something for brand-new editors and that's why the Wikipedia adventure was created. It's an attempt to do something other than create a boring list of rules; it hopefully is a mildly entertaining introduction to Wikipedia editing. In other words, it was the perfect response to your question. If you try that site and still have some questions, you'll be in a better position to ask a specific question and people here will be happy to try to specifically answer, although I'll warn you in advance the odds are high that they will point you to a page that has all the answers. If you'd like to try chatting, try chatting and someone may join in. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick, Paul Carpenter Maybe you didn't notice I'm not the op. I get that you're trying to help but I'm not looking for anything. As you said "This is a place for chatting..." so I thought I'd try chatting. Now I know how chatting goes. Seems like you are excited for WP:ADVENTURE and I hope that lightens your workload. Many happy returns and all that. DHHornfeldt (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sand box

I know I have been asking a lot of questions today but what does a sand box means and what does it meant for and where can I see it. Are you guys okay (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Are you guys okay: Welcome to Wikipedia. A sandbox is a place where you can experiment and learn how to edit by trying out different things. There is a community sandbox at WP:SANDBOX which gets cleared out regularly. If you want your own sandbox that does not get cleared, there is a link at the top of the page next to your username RudolfRed (talk) 00:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Please Delete my account

Please delete my account. I have had my first and last experience with Wikipedia. I just want to be deleted from here.  LinneaReilly (talk) 00:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

We cannot delete accounts. Just stop using it. You may blank your user talk page if you wish. Meters (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Is detailed lore allowed on Wikipedia (“Notability rule” questions)?

Recently, I’ve been thinking about massively expanding the Warhammer 40,000 section of Wikipedia, however, I’ve been having my doubts and wanted to come here first to see whether it even fits the rules - and then I’ll run it through the “village pump” - as you’d expect, I don’t want to write on a topic only for that to get scrapped. First of all, I am confused as to what exactly counts as “summary-only”: the “What Wikipedia is Not” page says “summary-only descriptions of works. Wikipedia treats creative works [...] in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works.” Now, does summary only mean I just can’t go into depth on the contents of a work or does it mean, “if you’re doing anything that’s too in-depth for one page, put it in a separate article and keep sub-dividing like that for as long as it remains ‘notable’”

And on the topic of “notability”, the Wikipedia page “Wikipedia: notability (media)” says secondary sources are the primary criterion for considering an article “notable”, however it then says on the Wikipedia evidence page “Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is generally unacceptable. Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal and group blogs, content farms, Internet forums, social media sites, video and image hosting services, most wikis, and other collaboratively created websites.” Now, I can still definitely do it, after all, there are plenty of newspapers about warhammer (other than the official warhammer newspaper) which write about the game but honestly, considering the T’au Empire *base* page has been flagged for this, I’m not sure that I’m going to clear the hurdle even if I do provide secondary sources - as likely, there will be a standard of what level of viewership a secondary source needs to be allowed (which my sources may not meet in places because secondary articles are often redundant as the franchise owners publish all the lore and facts online, for free). So, my question is, will my content (i.e fictional lore for a fairly popular fictional universe) be likely to be removed on this account either?

Third question, I have found rules saying work should not be copied from other sources... I can rewrite fan wikis for this, but it would just be smarter to copy them where it does not infringe upon copyright - as in a lot of cases, these intros are so specific, writers just end up repeating themselves when trying to write the same thing in a new way. If I have to rewrite stuff though, that’s far less of a problem for me than the worry it may be removed. So main question is Q1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLover01 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@WikiLover01: Hi. First, Summary style is used to avoid excessive detailing--called here Fancruft. For example, the article on Homer Simpson which has been vetted as one of professional quality (denoted by the bronze star in the top right corner) does not go into detail about his role in every episode or even season. Your article should seek to emulate that--highlighting it's subject's role within the context of the WH 40k universe.

Secondly, secondary sources aren't required when discussing the subject's fictional history. Homer Simpson cites in it's first section directly from episodes. However when discussing the subject in the real world--production, reception--secondary, reliable sources are needed. If they're not present your article will likely fail.

Thirdly, and to be blunt you shouldn't be copying from these fan sites. Period. You should be getting the info from secondary sources. Good luck. DMT biscuit (talk) 03:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! WikiLover01 (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Mean people

What can you do when other Wikipedians are being really mean and won't stop when you ask them to stop? Benevolent human (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Benevolent human, hello and welcome to this collaborative project. Please could you cite a particular example? Or be more specific? Celestina007 (talk) 03:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Benevolent human: See: Wikipedia:Harassment#Dealing with harassment and Wikipedia:How to deal with harassment. Act accordingly. DMT biscuit (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I join the editing team?

 2600:8801:2D00:15C0:98FB:65B4:40A:6189 (talk) 02:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I log in?

FYI

 – Merging into above section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

 2600:8801:2D00:15C0:98FB:65B4:40A:6189 (talk) 02:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

In the veeeery top right corner, you can sign up and create an account. Welcome to Wikipedia! Panini ^🥪 02:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Titles : Edit Timur

Can i Give sources, references, and Edit The parents of Timur I have any Risk ? Tell me Uncle JUDDHO (talk) 05:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

As long as your sources pass WP:RS, be WP:BOLD and edit them in. If someone reverts it, talk about it on the article's talk page! If you follow the guidelines, you're fine. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 05:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Spoiler

Spoiler alert notification.

I have noticed that there is no spoiler warning in all the movie's plot topic. I agree some of the films' plot details are not spoilers for first time readers but many of the movie pages contain spoilers. If there is no disclaimer for spoilers the first time movie goers experience is ruined sometimes. I agree that the reader is also responsible, but it would be better to add a disclaimer when there are excessive spoilers about a film. That way the reader can be informed that he has to read this upcoming topic at his own risk of spoiling the film. Same goes to certain books as well. It may not be constructive but it's of great effect. Is there anything you can do about it? 182.73.241.190 (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Please see WP:SPOILER MarnetteD|Talk 05:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Please see WP:SPOILER, which is our guideline for spoilers in articles. The guideline gives four reasons as to why we don't put spoiler warnings into articles, which I copied below for your convenience.

1. There was no strong basis to exclude disclaimers for potential spoilers from the "No disclaimers in articles" guideline when many other disclaimers—such as warnings about offensive images or content and medical and legal disclaimers—would be of greater benefit to the reader.
2. No other academic, scholarly, or other professional publications that describe or analyze works of fiction, such as other encyclopedias, include disclaimers about spoilers when discussing said works.
3. Sections that frequently contain spoiler warnings—such as plot summaries, episode lists, character descriptions, etc.—were already clearly named to indicate that they contain plot details. Therefore, further disclaimers would be redundant and unnecessary.
4. Labeling a plot detail as a spoiler would require editors to use their own subjective opinions to interpret the significance of a plot detail and its likelihood of altering the enjoyment of the work of fiction. This would be a violation of Wikipedia's core policies of no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view.

SkyWarrior 06:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Feeling pushed away

I've been a user for years on Wikipedia, but I rarely edit. There are some minor articles that I've created and some niche ones that are important, but nevertheless when I try to edit a current article for anything more then I typo I get pushback. An article that says it has two definitions in the first paragraph? An obvious split, but one person prevents it out of a personal agenda to have the two combined (despite it being two articles in one) and since I don't know how to get friends on Wikipedia I can't do anything about it. I see someone copy and paste a huge portion of an article into various other related articles with the same references. I read up on the references and find that it's a more complicated matter that requires greater discussion, and that the references are actually explaining a different matter, with a few sentences being able to be interpreted that way if one isn't reading those scientific papers closely. If read more carefully, then several articles would have to be merged and created and many rewritten. I decide to erase the plagiarism from the articles where the information counts the least (leaving it on one or two) and add here and dialogue in the talk pages asking for discussion on this topic and providing details to these errors. Instead of dialogue my edits are reversed and I'm pushed away for not keeping sources and providing a bad explanation in the Edit Summary even though I gave many explanations in the talk page of those articles. I make an article for a small modern religion based on an ancient one, and I link it to the ancient's article and add an internet resource explaining its practice, and it gets deleted. Lo and behold, years later there's a new article up and running years and it's doing alright. However I find that the website I linked wasn't there, and when I search for it it turns out to have been taken down, implying that there's a possibility that those Wikieditors who shut my article down also harassed the maker of the website where I got my source from and shut them down as well. There's more as well.

I get the impression that I'm not allowed to make anything but unimportant articles that no one will see, and if I dare make an edit that's actually important to the article and to how the world responds to it based on the education they receive in the article I'm suddenly the bad guy. If I mess something up on my edit, instead of it being fixed it's reversed completely and I'm made out to be a bad person. How am I supposed to learn if people antagonize me for my mistakes and don't let me take a step up? How am I supposed to learn if people don't teach me where I made a mistake and how to revise it? What am I supposed to do about a website that claims "any editor can fix it" and it holds a "neutral viewpoint" but all the edits on an article anyone will care about are apparently so controversial that I'd need a community and friends to back me up, and I don't have that? Not to mention that while every now and then you get someone with a strong opinion about an article, but just needing a community to back me up against one or a few people implies that I need opinions to fight against opinions, and opinions aren't neutral. How am I supposed to be a Wikipedia editor who actually writes and fixes articles? 65.140.209.178 (talk) 06:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for commenting here. You didn't link the articles you tried to contribute to above, so it's hard to know how to respond, especially since I don't see them in your contributions history. I left you a welcome message with some general links which I hope will help you, but if you could add some links below or just name the articles you contributed to or created, someone will be better able to help you. Mathglot (talk) 07:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

If your statements are true, then those editors have violated a serious policy: WP:AGF. This requires editors to assume that editors actually mean good when they edit, even if it accidentally violated a guideline. That being said, if you have a link to the related articles and the website, it would be helpful. GeraldWL 08:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Hi I know this is not a question but I want to say happy birthday to Wikipedia wish you many more years to come Alisha rains (talk) 11:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Alisha rains, Thanks! S Philbrick(Talk) 16:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Photo upload

Adding photos to a existing Article

Hi, I have a rare photo I need to add to a Post. How do I do it his? The only edit options I have are Edit, replace or add link. GregSierocinski (talk) 12:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@GregSierocinski: Which version of Wikipedia are you trying from (Desktop Website, Mobile Website, or Wikipedia app)? In general, inserting images involves two steps: 1) upload the image to The english Wikipedia or to our central media project, WIkimedia Commons 2) Insert the image into the article. The image policy is a complex thing, so in order to help you with step 1) we need more information, mainly 1) Who created the image 2) What is on it (yust a few words) 3)If you are not the creator, is the creator still living, or when did he die? Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GregSierocinski, and thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. Unfortunately dealing with images isn't as simple as one might hope for two reasons, one technical, and one legal. The technical reason is that images are not uploaded into an article, but into a central store, from which they can be used in one or more articles. For most images, this is a sister project to Wikipedia, called Wikimedia Commons, though in some circumstances images get uploaded to Wikipedia itself. Either way, you can upload images using the Upload wizard. Once you have uploaded, it will show you what you have to add to an article to get it to display.

The second issue is often the tricky one: copyright. Wikipedia's goal is that all its contents be reusable by anybody for any purpose: when we add text we are always releasing it under a licence which allows this (as stated at the bottom of every edit page). With images, this can be tricky. If the image is in the public domain (either by reason of age, or because the copyright owner has explicitly released it to the PD, as the US government does for many images), there is no problem. If the image is uploaded by whoever holds the copyright (eg a photo they took themselves) then they can license it on the fly. But for many photographs - both on the internet, and in people's collections - it can be difficult to determine who owns the copyright, and then to get them to take the steps required to release them. But Commons will not accept images without a statement of how they meet the licensing requirement.

I'm guessing you have a photo of the bust of Lucius Licinius Sura. If it is a picture you took yourself, that makes part of the problem easier, as you can upload it as "own work". But with photos of artworks, they are regarded as "derivative" works, and the copyright lies with both the photographer and the owner of the rights to the original work. I'm guessing that the bust of Sura is in the public domain, by reason of age: but it might be, for example, that Romanian law gives the museum its own copyright in the items: it seems unlikely, but I don't know. I suggest asking at Commons:Commons:Licensing. If you do, explain the provenance of the photograph. --ColinFine (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Editors who do not speak English

As I browse Wikipedia, I am struck by the fact that the overwhelming majority of articles contain basic errors of grammar and style. I often fix these failings, but when the overwhelming majority of articles need not just minor copyedits here and there but major editing throughout, it is clear that there is a systemic problem, and my efforts are pretty much futile until that changes.

It is my impression that the majority of the failings I see are caused by editors who do not speak English. On almost any subject related to a German topic, for example, you will see a characteristic placement of commas which would be correct in German but is incorrect in English. On articles about Russian topics, you will often see the characteristic omission of articles, which do not exist in the Russian language. When I read Wikipedia articles I often find myself almost hearing them in a foreign accent, because it is so obvious that they were not written by a native English speaker.

An example of the harm non-English speakers do is this, in which a German speaker added a vast quantity of hopelessly inadequate text. The whole theory of Wikipedia is that it is self-correcting, and if someone adds bad text, someone else will fix it. But how many native English speakers have the time or energy to wade through utter crap like that and fix it?

So my questions: I really cannot understand why people who don't speak English edit English Wikipedia. Why did this German editor do what they did? Why, instead of editing German Wikipedia in the language they are fluent in, did they do such harm to English Wikipedia? Why does anyone who does not speak fluent English edit English Wikipedia anyway? And what can be done about this problem? 37.152.231.40 (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC) 37.152.231.40 (talk) 12:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are many reasons those for whom English is not a first language(or a language at all) might edit here. One big one is that most people around the world are aware that the English Wikipedia has the most articles and want to add to it. Others know the English version usually appears at the top of search results. I'm sure there are other reasons.

As Wikipedia can be accessed in most of the world, it would be difficult to keep out non-English speakers, and I'm not sure it would be a good idea to try. English speaking people can be anywhere in the world to edit, and those that don't speak English primarily often do make good contributions. The good outweighs the bad. Yes, tedious things like fixing grammar and spelling are part of life here(and plenty of English speakers make errors too), it's just the way it is. Wikipedia relies on volunteers doing what they can when they can, regardless of the tasks they decide to perform(and we don't force or hire people to perform particular tasks, people do what they choose). 331dot (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

And this is part of the reason why the Guild of Copy Editors exists. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The example you quote, 37.152.231.40 is interesting because of its edit summary, which says, "1:1 translated content from german wiki, pls check for errors etc. thanks". So it would appear that the editor Salzburger Nockerl in question did indeed edit the German Wikipedia first and believed they were improving English Wikipedia by including an (admittedly poor) translation here. So there is a more subtle question: what is the balance to be struck between cases (as here) where the sources are mainly in German but the impact and notability of the topic is international? Were it not for the translated content, the English article would have been quite short and unlikely to get better unless German-language speakers intervened. I don't think there is a simple answer for this. The content that was added last November (for which my main criticism is WP:TLDR rather than poor English) certainly needs further work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

"One big one is that most people around the world are aware that the English Wikipedia has the most articles and want to add to it." - I don't get the logic. Why, if you know you don't speak English fluently, would you think you should add to it?

"what is the balance to be struck between cases (as here) where the sources are mainly in German but the impact and notability of the topic is international?" - Personally, I think a well-written short article is infinitely preferable to a badly-written long article. "unlikely to get better unless German-language speakers intervened" strikes me as very unlikely, but if the demand is not there among English-speakers for a longer article, then that's fine with me. In the case I highlighted, I think the article would be better off if the badly-written text was removed entirely, and that's what I suggested on its talk page. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Assuming it was possible to objectively and effectively separate users with good/bad english I still think stopping them from editing wouldn't end well for the project overall. The thing is, as many articles as enwiki has, it lacks coverage in topics that are not of interest to the native speakers (even if those meet the notability criteria). Being written by volunteers the only way to get coverage on those topics is letting non-native speakers (that are willing to do so) handle them as well as they can and then go around fixing what needs fixing. Keep in mind I'm not defending machine translations (those are wrong for their own reasons) but 'hand translated' content. Ultimately native speakers of any language can and make mistakes in their own language so I don't think it would make sense to 'segregate' non native speakers from the biggest Wikipedia. josecurioso ❯❯❯ Tell me! 14:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC) Disclaimer: I am not a native english speaker, feel free to correct any mistakes and I'll learn from them.

"it lacks coverage in topics that are not of interest to the native speakers" - that is fine. Non-native speakers have Wikipedia in their own language where they can ensure coverage of things of interest to speakers of that language. I'd rather have no article on a topic than something badly-written. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The distinction you want to make is not between L1 and L2 users of English, but between users who are sufficiently proficient and those who are not. Thousands and thousands of native speakers with a very shaky grasp of English grammar add information with various language errors to thousands and thousands of articles, and that is just as problematic as L2 (or L3, or L4) English speakers making errors caused by transfer from their L1. Not to mention all the marketing experts who add unintelligible jargon to articles, with no grammar issues but a vocabulary that only a marketer can love. I have to say that if it bothers you so much, you are just as free as the rest of us are to fix the issues.

What really causes a lot of harm is when editors (regardless of native language) in all good faith use automated tools such as Grammarly to blindly "fix" what the tool flags as a potential error. You have to have a very strong understanding of English grammar to use such a tool correctly, since most of the things it flags will be correct, and the tool's suggestion will be either flat out incorrect (often changing the meaning of a sentence), or a different, equally correct phrasing – or a different variant spelling that often violates WP:ENGVAR, just because Grammarly's settings interprets the variety used in the article as incorrect. This bothers me quite a lot, as you may be able to tell. --bonadea contributions talk 14:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

"I have to say that if it bothers you so much, you are just as free as the rest of us are to fix the issues" - that is not particularly helpful. I do fix these issues, as I already said, and as you can see from my contributions. But there is a systemic problem which means that the issues do not stay fixed and new issues are constantly created, in far greater numbers than can ever be dealt with. My fixes, and anyone else's, are just pissing in the wind at this point. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Not that I disagree that native speakers also add plenty of deficient material to the encyclopaedia. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see how non-native users disrupt the project. Wikipedia is a development in progress. It will never be the perfect sum of all human knowledge as Jimmy Wales aspired to, because knowledge will never limit to a certain number, and there will always be a room for improvement, unless Wikipedia is The Library of Babel. One person edits --> others fix --> another polishes --> another adds --> another fixes --> another polishes --> becomes good content --> becomes featured content. Anyone with good intentions can edit Wikipedia, and that will always be how it is. GeraldWL 15:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

See the example I gave above of a German-speaker adding content of absolutely appalling quality. What happens more often on English Wikipedia is that one person adds bad content --> nobody fixes it --> it remains bad content forever. Good intentions should be a necessary but not sufficient requirement for editing. The German-speaker was well-meaning but undoubtedly caused serious and lasting harm to that article. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

"Lasting harm" is not likely to be caused by content added to an article that, if a reader finds flawed, might be moved to edit. And second, I see no means of imposing a language proficiency test as a requirement for editing an article. David notMD (talk) 16:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I have seen thousands of articles which are seriously deficient in quality and have been for years, and in a huge number of them, it's clear that people who don't speak English have introduced the most severe errors. A language proficiency test? No. But there is no quality control mechanism of any kind on Wikipedia, and you can see the lasting damage from that everywhere. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Please tell me, who shall conduct an exam for me to confirm I can edit enwiki? Are you going to define exam criteria? --CiaPan (talk) 17:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I like how you wrote that in an unidiomatic way (it should be "should", not "shall") :) I assume that you know your English is not perfect, so you are exactly the kind of editor I am curious about. Why do you edit English Wikipedia? 37.152.231.40 (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I.P you aren't going to achieve anything with this veiled xenophobic rhetoric and I suggest you cease it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia 'anyone can edit' and always will be. Our community is blessed to have members from diverse cultural and linguistic backgrounds; end of story. Zindor (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Accusing me of xenophobia is a serious personal attack. You should withdraw that. Anyone can edit Wikipedia, but not everyone should. Competence is supposed to be required. English Wikipedia is supposed to be a work of high quality in the English language, is it not? It should not be controversial to ask why people who do not speak the English language fluently edit it anyway. Yes, there are plenty of English speakers who do great damage through incompetence as well. That is a different problem. The problems caused by people who don't speak English are extremely apparent to me and that's what I'm pursuing right now. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 18:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not withdrawing anything. If you're acting unconsciously that's even worse. You specifically singled out non-native English speakers to what end? What did you intend to achieve through that, which could not be done by demanding higher English standards across the board? We aspire to high standards but not to the point of snobbery, exclusion and alienating members of our community. Zindor (talk) 18:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Your defiant personal attack is duly noted. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 18:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

1. No, it shouldn't be should, I mean a pre-determined future, not a condition or a supposition.
2. You needn't guess or infer from my writing, you can simply ask me or check at my User: page what my own estimate of my proficiency in English is.
3. It's only my business why I do edit here. You're free to run through my contribution, though, and evaluate its factual correctness, usefulness and language quality. --CiaPan (talk) 18:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

You are wrong. "Who shall" in the way you used it is not idiomatic. It is an archaic construction. I wonder how you would feel if you noticed that huge numbers of articles on Polish Wikipedia contained grammatical errors characteristic of non-Polish speakers? 37.152.231.40 (talk) 18:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Me too. --CiaPan (talk) 18:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, it seems like people are getting emotionally charged over this, and they would benefit from stepping back for a while. I see that WP:CIR was brought up. Let me quote the items as to what CIR is and is not that best apply to this discussion:

• the ability to read and write English well enough to avoid introducing incomprehensible text into articles and to communicate effectively.
• the ability to understand their own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill and/or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up.
• It does not mean one must be a native English speaker. There is no expectation that editors have high English skills. Minor spelling and grammar mistakes can be fixed by others. If poor English prevents an editor from writing comprehensible text directly in articles, they can instead post a change request on the article talk page. Emphasis added.

I get that the English Wikipedia is the most popular Wikipedia project: English is the global lingua franca that many nations use to communicate with others. This is where the presence of multilingual editors would be helpful. If incomprehensible text or significant errors are introduced, they are, from what I've seen, eventually reverted or discussed on the article's talk page.

I find it to be an unfortunate but inevitable downside of the volunteering aspect of the project. Articles will be made by contributors who are not proficient in English, and some of them will be overlooked by other volunteers for a variety of reasons. The most one can do is either fix the issues themselves or get the attention of other interested editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

From what I've seen, incomprehensible text and significant errors typically are not removed for years. I find it very unfortunate but not at all inevitable. What one could do is introduce some basic quality control into Wikipedia. A means of rating the quality of other peoples's edits, for example, and a system to prevent the most egregious errors from ever getting into the encyclopaedia. If Wikipedia was ambitious and had high standards, you could envisage that edit filters would be used to flag possible errors, apply the manual of style, and ensure, for example, that nobody would write "won't" where "will not" is required in formal writing (this is one of the characteristic errors of non-English speakers that I see frequently). If you trust everything to volunteers working without any particular quality incentive, you will not get a high quality encyclopaedia. It seems to me that the policies which got Wikipedia off the ground, and worked well in the early 2000s, somehow became an inflexible ideology even though the fundamental needs of the project changed years ago. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I want to extend a personal invitation to all editors whose first language is not English and wish to edit English Wikipedia:

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Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. You are welcome here at English Wikipedia, and we are glad you are here, volunteering your time in order to improve the encyclopedia.

There is absolutely no requirement to have native fluency in English in order to edit here, and as long as you have sufficient command of English that your intent is clear, someone will come along afterward and fix up any problems of spelling or grammar. Please ignore any comments that native fluency is either required or needed; that is not true, and does not represent any policy of Wikipedia. On the other hand, there are policies and guidelines that guide our editing here, starting with The Five Pillars; but nowhere is there anything about English fluency. If an editor's level of English is non-existent, or so poor that they cannot edit without relying on WP:MACHINETRANSLATION, then they should not edit here, but anyone who can make their intent clear in English regardless of grammar faults or other errors of English, is more than welcome. Thanks again for your contributions, and keep up the good work! Mathglot (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

"someone will come along afterward and fix up any problems of spelling or grammar" - yes, that's the theory, but they almost certainly won't. Horrible errors of grammar and style typically persist for years. I want to extend a personal request to all editors whose first language is not English and wish to edit English Wikipedia: unless you are truly fluent, then don't. This is just common sense. I extend that courtesy myself to the Wikipedias in the languages I speak which are not English. 37.152.231.40 (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Among our six million articles, there are, I would guess, tens of thousands of articles that are seriously deficient in one way or another. Incomprehensible text is one. Non-neutral text is another. Promotional text is a third. Complete lack of independent reliable sources is a fourth. I'm sure there are more. Incomprehensible text is perhaps the most likely to be obvious; but in my view it is less damaging to the encyclopaedia than the other three I listed, because it is obvious. They are all a consequence of our "anyone can edit" policy. I acknowledge you for your efforts in cleaning up the first category: your services are appreciated. But I don't find your proposed solution to be consistent with our principles. --ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sandboxes

Hello! I'm new to Wikipedia and I was wondering what sandboxes are used for. Could someone please help me out? Thanks! Fawnstream (talk) 12:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Fawnstream Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are two types of sandboxes. There is a general sandbox accessible to anyone, where they can experiment with editing in a place that is not an article. The second type is a personal sandbox that every user with an account has(you can access it with a link at the top right corner of the screen in Desktop mode, or yours is at User:Fawnstream/sandbox). That's also a place where a user can experiment with editing, but it can also be used to draft an article before submitting it for a review at Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 12:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Fawnstream (talk) 12:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Is it plagiarism to copy-paste from The Encyclopædia Britannica?

I would think it is, but the text copied in Moses Amyraut appears to have been copied from a 1910 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica. See this link: link

I searched for one phrase because it seemed odd, and discovered that the entire "Life" section of Moses Amyraut was simply copy-pasted from that encyclopedia entry. However, since the edition is 1910, does that mean copyright has expired? I am unfamiliar with the rules regarding this situation. Wes sideman (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Wes sideman, see it's references section. There is an attribution stating that it incorporates text from Britannica's 11th edition, which is public domain (copyright expired). GeraldWL 13:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah thank you. I should have looked farther down the page. Wes sideman (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Wes sideman, Just to summarize, plagiarism and copyright violations are related but not identical concepts. It's plagiarism if it's unattributed, whether or not the copyright is still in force, but it was attributed in this case. It's a copyright violation if the copyright is still in force and not a license permitting use, even if attributed (with the exception that short passages properly identified as quotes are acceptable).--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Chatapedia

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How can i intergrate my made up website "Chatapedia" into an wikipedia article? Hell no please (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hell no please. It depends what you mean by "integrate". If you want to reuse material from Wikipedia, you can reuse nearly all of it freely, as long as you follow the requirements in reusing Wikipedia material. And of course you can freely link to Wikipedia pages from your site. But if you want to go the other way, no. You may not link external sites unless this complies with EL; and, other than a non-promotional mention on your user page if you choose to, as something you do, there is nowhere in Wikipedia that you should talk about it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine, They aren't looking to reuse material from Wikipedia, they want to write an article in Wikipedia about a website they created. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

except from the teahouse and chatapedia-talk?

Hell no please (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

All article edits you made have been reverted, and every attempt to create an article, Speedy deleted, including three attempts to make an article about your website, 'Chatapedia'. I strongly suggest you work through the Wikipedia tutorial exercises before returning to editing articles or attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked for ignoring Talk page warnings. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sooo this is one of users who innocently disrupt the talk page, as seen in their responses to the warnings they received. They wrote in the talk that they've "not been helpful" in Wikipedia "EVER". I wrote that as long as you want to contribute and you want to learn from your mistakes, you can be helpful. Not to be sympathetic or something, but they're probably overwhelmed by the warnings, which don't particularly help, seemingly. GeraldWL 17:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, yes and no. They did get early attempts at supportive and sympathetic messages – see their Talk page history and elsewhere – but, you could argue, they chose to ignore most of what they were being quite nicely told, and continue with their unfortunate trajectory. I really would like to retain potentially enthusiastic and useful editors but when someone is apparently not getting it as badly as this, I worry that we are fringing quite rapidly into CIR territory. And in that case, how much effort do we then need to make to retain? It's sad, but ... Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Editor in question has repeatedly deleted Warnings from own Talk page, the blocked notice, and also the denial of the unblock request. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Problematic article

Hello, can someone please have a look at this article, or can you move this question to wherever there are competent people to do so? Parts of this article read like a socialist hymn of praise to the working man. I can't believe anyone would actually write that someone saved their company precisely 263,051 Czechoslovak crowns by their improvement proposal. Knowledge of the Czech language can't hurt as all sources given are in that language. Thanks, --91.34.46.85 (talk) 17:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can get people's attention here, but the place where there are people with interest and knowledge about the subject of the article is the talk page, in this case Talk:František Bohdal. Looking there, I see that the article was nominated for deletion a couple of months ago, (see here) but there was no consensus so, it was not deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, getting people's attention (ideally, some with knowledge of the Czech language) was the main point of my request. :-) On the talk page I did not expect to get much attention except by the author of the article and a few chance visitors (though I did put my doubts on there now). Isn't there any other place to point out problematic articles? --91.34.46.85 (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Not really. There are thousands thousands of articles needing attention, so there's not a lot of point in just adding them to a list somewhere. Generally the two options with problematic articles (other than just leaving them) is to fix them, or to add something from Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup to them as appropriate: that puts them on a corresponding list, but it also gives notice to a reader that there may be a problem with the article. Another possibility is seeing if you can find somebody interested by asking at the talk page of WP:WikiProject Czech Republic. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I see all my contributions in all Wikimedia projects?

 User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 18:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Tetizeraz. Follow this link. Regards, Zindor (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Zindor, I'm pretty sure there's one with a count of all edit made in all Wikimedia Projects. Do you know where I can find it? User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 20:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Certainly, head here. Zindor (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively go to the 'Preferences' tab in the top right of the page and click the button that says 'View your global account info'. I hope that's what you're looking for Tetizeraz. Let us know if we can help you with anything else. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Zindor! User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 20:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Restore a deleted page

Hello Everybody, I need assistance from any Administrator to help me restore TwoBars, he has gain notability recently after winning the Producer of the Year award at the 2020 3Music Awards and earning nominations at the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards. He is also known for producing Kofi Kinaata's Things Fall Apart song which was the biggest song in Ghana in 2019. Geezygee (talk) 18:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Geezygee: You may wish to use the Wikipedia:Deletion review process with some new reliable sources, and ask for the article to be restored as a draft. GoingBatty (talk) 21:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Imo Page

Don't understand the tag on Imo (app) page. Should I move my page to draft? Where can I read if there is a discussion regarding this page? Sonofstar (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sonofstar: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. That article has already been moved to Draft:Imo_(app). You can continue to work on it there. I suggest reading WP:YFA which will help you with the steps to make the draft ready for review. RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

You created article and moved it to mainspace. An editor deemed in unworthy and moved it to draft. You did some editing and again moved it to mainspace. Your own Edit comment:"Page is good to move." Then another editor moved it to draft. I strongly recommend you let the draft go through the AfC review process versus flipping it to mainspace again. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Community Radio Noteworthiness

Is a comedy show on a small community radio station (CKMS Radio Waterloo, 102.7 FM) noteworthy? Marc.gw.opie (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Really depends on whether or not it's received significant coverage from independent third-parties. --Paul ❬talk❭ 20:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to upload photo to my page

 Deeki0 (talk) 21:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)