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How can I ask a question

 Emma OSOLU (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma OSOLU Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you just did ask a question, so you did fine. The one suggestion I would have is to place your question in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window. Some people find it easier to use the full desktop version of Wikipedia, even in a browser on a device, instead of the app or mobile versions, which do not have full functionality(easily, at least). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.dontasktoask.com Gallomimia (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You press Ask a question, write a short title, explain your question in more detail.LebronRJames (talk) 14:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't seem fair

A friend of mine wrote a page about me, but it has a warning for lack of notability. Are there volunteers who can help fix this? I've done a TEDMED talk, written four books and hundreds of articles. Had a segment about me on NPR's This American Life, and much much more, but I'm not notable??? I'm particularly puzzled because there are many people who seem less notable than I, who have pages without warnings -- for example, half my lawyer friends. I'm a lawyer with a Ph.D. in medical ethics -- the first to do a joint program with that combination that I know of and the first Westerner to go to Iran to study their organ selling programs extensively (extensively meaning hundred's of interviews, one anthropologist had done one day of interviews at one hospital). Why do I not qualify -- If the friend who wrote the page for me made mistakes, why doesn't someone help fix them, instead of making me seem like a self-promoting fraud with the warning boxes? Integrity1010 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010 Welcome to the Teahouse. You might care to tell us who you are so that we can look for sources that talk in detail about you. I'm afraid our Notability criteria for people demands to know, not what a person has done in their life, but what others have written about them. You would be welcome to link o a few of those sources so we can try to guide you further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on the description, I'm guessing Sigrid Fry-Revere (which does seem to have a lot of problems by our standards). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

This was tagged in Dec 2019, and had had dozens of edits since then. Perhaps Wikignome Wintergreen, a recent editor of the article will consider removing the tag. Neither you nor your friend should remove it (nor edit the article anymore). The article has been criticized for weak referencing and possibly not reaching the bar for notability. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I assume the notability standard here is WP:NACADEMIC, but I'm far from an expert in the notability area, and academics seem particularly tricky. I'll leave that decision to someone else, but I'll fix up the article in other ways. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've taken a quick look through the article and at some of the citations. I recognise that the article is currently being worked on, but my feeling is that the page comes over as an amazingly impressive CV of a person who has done some wonderful work on her field. I don't see sources that talk about her, as we would expect from independent sources to meet WP:NBIO. The past professorial position itself doesn't quite meet Criterion 5 of WP:NPROF on its own, yet I suspect the body of work she has produced in that and in subsequent roles could be deemed to have had a significant impact under criteria 1 or 7. But as this isn't an WP:AFD discussion, I don't need to go into more detail at this stage, though such a discussion would need further search for independent sources and could be borderline, despite her achievements. That said, I'd not be pushing for such a discussion, and would expect a fair bit of effort to go into WP:BEFORE. I think the notability template was not hugely unreasonable, and hopefully current efforts will help. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

"Borderline notable" - the hardest case to deal with. Basically, Integrity1010, it's hard to make a decision here without doing some significant research, and since we're all volunteers, there's no way to force anyone to do that research. As it stands, the article doesn't contain any good (by our standards) sources which prove beyond doubt that you're notable (by our standards), so the tag - for the moment - remains. If you think you have such sources, the best place for them is probably the article's talk page, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere, since this post on the Teahouse will get archived eventually. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm doing this right, putting my responses here. Yes, I'm Sigrid Fry-Revere. I'm also the first person to create a living organ donor advocacy group which was not run by organ recipients as a hidden way to get more people to become organ donors. My organization -- The American Living Organ Donor Fund actually advocated for living organ donors without any conflict of interest --- we didn't find donors for organ recipients. We helped living organ donors with information and helped them with expenses and lost wages -- something which at the time some people thought was illegal but now is part of the federally funded NLDAC program and many state and private programs as well. How many firsts does a person have to have to qualify as notable? Isn't the fact that I'm cited or quoted on Academia.com at least a few times a week and sometimes several times in a day worth something -- I'm part of a very important conversation -- so much so that people find it necessary to answer what I've written -- not the least of which is the research I did in Iran -- which by the way was accepted as part of the National Library of Medicine's permanent collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've never edited the page, but I know some friends have tried. I'll tell them not to do so anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The most important thing to note is that Wikipedia has a peculiar and specific conception of what notability means. It essentially means that you have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Somewhat different and more specific criteria apply for academics, but that is the basic principle - not having many firsts or doing important work. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

So looking at just the first 7 pages of 148,000 entries for my name on Google, I found the following secondary sources. None of these are articles by me, nor are they simply citations or quotes. They are all more extensive discussions of my work and / or my life. I'm sure I could find at least another dozen more.

That search, that came up with 148,000 was "Sigrid Fry-Revere newspapers" -- because I was looking for articles about me. When I just search "Sigrid Revere" -- I get over a million hits.

Secondary Sources.

Articles that talk about me:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-organ-donor-expenses/new-fund-eases-expenses-for-organ-donors-idUKKBN0L22IP20150129

https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/the-country-where-selling-your-organs-is-legit/70282/

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/sigrid-fry-revere/the-kidney-sellers/

https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-review/kidney-sellers-journey-discovery-iran

https://philpeople.org/profiles/hojjat-soofi

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/580/transcript

https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/iranian-kidney-market-in-limbo-a-commentary-on-the-ambiguous-less

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2016/08/25/iran-kidneys-sale/89371302/

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncprheum0649

https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/opinion/article/A-privatized-world-is-a-better-world-9280334.php

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/25/iran-payment-for-kidney-donors/

https://ethiquetransplantation.com/publications/

https://docksci.com/a-closer-look-at-the-iranian-model-of-kidney-transplantation_5a91386ed64ab21d3d54e5a7.html

https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/30/8/1349

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78dlxh

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/250816/a-unique-system-in-iran-is-allowing-payments-for-kidney-donors.html

Research guide mentions my work:

https://www.hivlawandpolicy.org/resources/search-resources?page=11&issue%5B0%5D=154&f%5B0%5D=sm_field_issues%3Anode%3A154

Biography pages: https://peoplepill. com/people/sigrid-fry-revere

https://emu.edu/now/news/2015/bioethicist-and-living-donor-advocate-sigrid-fry-revere-challenges-the-current-organ-donor-system-with-questions-about-why-irans-system-is-more-responsible-and-ethical/

https://it.qiq.wiki/wiki/Sigrid_Fry-Revere

Thanking me for the contributions to his work

file:///Users/AristotlesPride/Downloads/21139-Article%20Text-29835-1-10-20160426%20(1).pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Integrity1010 have you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? If an article about you is published it won't belong to you or to the friend who wrote it. Anyone with Internet access can find both flattering and unflattering references to you and edit the article. If you are determined to obtain your own Wikipedia article that will likely happen, but if you later decide you are not happy with changes in the article you will not be able to have it deleted.

Please remember that, with the exception of a few paid editors (who are not paid by Wikipedia), most of the people connected with Wikipedia are volunteers who work in their spare time, and choose projects that interest them. If you provide all 148,000 entries on Google that does not mean that anyone will be obligated to improve the draft article about yourself.

If being the subject of a Wikipedia subject is so very important to you I wish you well in having your dream fulfilled. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Good advice, though in this case it's not a draft - the article was created and moved to mainspace in 2008, when standards were laxer. Now either deleting or improving will take some effort. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

That was a foolish mistake on my part, to state that the article was still a draft. I became confused by the long list of citations to be added, but I should have double checked the status before posting. Karenthewriter (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you WolfTalkBlaze (See below and above) Do I make that request here -- or in a seperate thread? @Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs)

@Integrity1010: Edit requests should be placed on the Talk page of the article itself. Each article has a Talk page, in this case, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere (which I see you have found already.) This information page might be helpful. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Archival of talk page

How do I make a bot automatically archive my talk page, with a spot to see previous archives? The Tips of Apmh 16:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

For help on archiving a talk page, see Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks, I did it, does it look fine? --The Tips of Apmh 18:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

It seems to have done the trick. I don't know what the problem is with the first section on the page; you may need to archive that manually. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Content Translation

I was thinking around what I would do, then I found the Content Translation tool. I translated a Spanish article and it is here. What is to be done next?? Any suggestions.. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 04:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. There are a very large number of redlinks in this article, which may lead experienced editors to ask "what the heck is going on here"? Trim them way back. This biography of a living person has only a single reference, whose reliability I cannot fully evaluate because I am not fluent in Spanish. I do, however, know that the expectation is that there will be multiple references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to a person before an article like this can be considered a acceptable. So, trim the redlinks and improve the references. Translations are welcomed but it is your responsibility as a translator to ensure that your translation complies with the same policies and guidelines thst all other articles are expected to comply with. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328 for your helping hand. I removed the redlinks. But for the references you may go [1] here and see that the spanish article also has only one reference. Well I know that living biographies cannot have only one reference, but to say the truth, that article has one reference in the spanish wikipedia, so where should I find more references. Please guide me in this prospect. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I made a request to their Teahouse (see this[2]), seeking help for finding resources. Hope they help. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, you shouldn't just dump google translations on here. Machine translations are often unreliable and in this case the sentences don't even read correctly. If you don't know the other language to verify the content and make the necessary modifications, you shouldn't do it. —SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. The fact that the es-wiki article is under-referenced is a problem for es-wiki. We too have thousands and thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not be acceptable today; but few people are interested in spending the time to improve or delete them, so they remain. We do not now accept new articles into English Wikipedia unless they meet our current standards, irrespective of whether they are entirely new or a translation. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks, actually I did not know these things, so I started translating the page. So then the article would be a complete waste of work. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 10:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: the thing to do is to look at the original article and its subject, and decide if it looks genuinely notable. If so, hunt out some sources. It's not a waste of work, but you need to make sure that the translation is a genuinely good article, in good writing, with good sources, and not just a google-translate of an article that was probably inadequate in the Spanish WP. Someone wise here advised me that translations don't have to be exact. You can use as much or as little of the other WP article as you want (though of course follow the instructions on translation and credit it!) - so if you can find some sources that back up part of what the Spanish article says, while other bits look wobbly, just translate and use the good stuff. Elemimele (talk) 11:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes – and it is also worth stressing that the tool is called "content translation", so it is intended to help editors get some idea of the content (facts), while the form (vocabulary, phrasing, syntax) needs to be created by the editor without trusting the tool. --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible have you gone through the short training tutorial Wikipedia Adventure? It may also help to read Introduction and Your First Article. Your attempt at translating a Spanish article wasn't a waste of time if you learned from it. I've been a Wikipedia editor since 2007 and I'm still learning. That learning is often by trying something that didn't work, and then figuring out what I did wrong, so that I'll do it correctly the next time. Best wishes on your work on Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Yes @Amkgp left the link to Wikipedia Adventure on my talk page. But I cannot do it?? I don't know what problem, I am encountering. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 03:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible I don't know what equipment you're using (computer, electronic tablet, cell phone), but I am using an outdated Mac laptop, and this is how things work for me. A few minutes ago I clicked on the Wikipedia Adventure link. When that link came up, I went to the bottom of the page and clicked on Mission 1. A white box came up, I read what's in the box, then clicked on the blue box titled "Get Equipment for the trip". That brought up another white box. I read that box, and clicked on the new blue box titled "Come with me..."

Since I've already gone through The Wikipedia Adventure I didn't go any further tonight. There will be different projects to try, such as editing and adding citations. I believe when I finished Mission 1 I went back to the beginning page, and then clicked on Mission 2. I read white boxes, and clicked on blue boxes, just as I did for the first mission. Did you click on Mission 1? If so, what happened when you did? Perhaps if you are having some difficulty with the English language you may not be understanding all of the instructions written in the white boxes. You may want to try again on another day, and then be able to go through the different missions. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Ok thanks for the help. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 04:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter At a point of time, an instruction comes and says "click edit source" to add the content. After clicking edit source, and adding the content, nothing happens. It continues to give the same instructions. Can anyone tell me where I am going wrong?? Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 07:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible where are you in the tutorial? Are you on Mission 1, Mission 2? Are you at the beginning, middle or end of that mission? When I have the time I will go to that part of the instructions and tell you what I did, but I need to know where you are having the problem.

I ask a favor of you. When you are asking for my help please only add one question mark (?) at the end of a sentence. Though you couldn't know this, sloppy punctuation annoys me. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Sorry, it is my bad habit to add many "?" at the end of my question. Yes, you taught me a new thing. And talking about the Wikipedia Adventure, I am at mission 1, and am having problems, when they instruct me to "click edit source", and even if I add the things they want, they don't give any further instruction. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 03:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible the lessons must be old, written before some things were changed. I was confused about clicking on "edit source", so clicked on "edit" instead. I didn't want to change my own user page, but did what was told (except I didn't link anything), and went back and reverted things afterwards. It did appear that I was asked twice to do the same instructions about bolding, italicizing, etc., but I clicked a second time that it was done, and was sent to the next step. At the end I was told to "save", but that is now called "publish changes" so that's what I clicked on. I was then told "Mission 1 complete!" and there was a blue box saying "Go on to mission 2", but I clicked on an option to take a rest (or some such words) and got out of the Adventure. I would have to click on Wikipedia Adventure again if I wanted to do Mission 2. It is a rather awkward tutorial, and may have a few bugs so that you're asked a second time to do things. I'm sorry that it doesn't work better. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter No, actually they ask me to write something, then when I write it, then nothing else happens. It just says, "click edit source". And thats all. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 06:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible I'm sorry, but I'm not able to help you further. Perhaps because I've been editing for so many years I just did what I felt I should do. When asked to "click edit source" I clicked "edit" instead. After writing things I clicked on "publish changes" to save my work. I don't know why you are unable to get further instructions. I'm so very sorry for suggesting that you take the Wikipedia Adventure, for I didn't know it would cause you such problems. Please forgive me for causing you so much grief. I have spent hours trying to help you, and I've only caused confusion. I am not a trained teacher, and can think of no more ideas that may be of use to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter No please don't repent so much. You are so much elder to me in terms of your editing career. Actually the first mission, tells me to create a user page, but I have already created one. So, it is creating trouble. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 07:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing an Article Title

Title change request

Hi there, currently I am working on the article stub entitled 'Australian Aboriginal Progress Association' and I came across a problem. After doing some research I noticed that the title of the organisation is actually 'Australian Aboriginal Progressive Association', rather than 'progress'. Could you confirm or deny this by any chance? As the sources I have found have led me to believe the title of the article is wrong and I was wondering if changing it is an option. Bwal6418 (talk) 11:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bwal6418. The best place to discuss such a thing is probably going to be a Talk:Australian Aboriginal Progress Association because that's where you're likely to find editors who might be familiar with the subject matter. Basically, if the title is incorrect, then the page can be WP:MOVEd to a new title; however, it's probably a good idea to at least discuss things first on the article talk page before trying to move the page yourself. You're also going to be expected to "prove" the page needs to be moved by providing links to reliable sources supporting the change. If nobody responds to your post on the article's talk page after a few days, try posting a Template:Please see at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia to see if you can find someone there to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Bwal6418. It appears that another editor has already moved the article to Australian Aboriginal Progressive Association; so, there's nothing more that needs to be done I guess. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes I talked to another user who has previous edits on the article to confirm the title was incorrect and they fixed it, but thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwal6418 (talk • contribs) 09:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hlw... Im new here..

 Oriental Goldbulb (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Oriental Goldbulb Welcome to the Teahouse - a place to ask questions and get answers relating to editing Wikipedia. Do you need any assistance with a problem? Nick Moyes (talk) 17:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes tnx,i ve no prblem but i dont knw anything about wikipdia.hw can i edit wikipediia. Plz gimme some advise, Plz help mee.

Oriental Goldbulb, perhaps you'd like to try The Wikipedia Adventure? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Oriental Goldbulb Rather like driving a car, it's best to set off slowly because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia controlled by quite a lot of 'rules of the road'. Providing you don't simply add "stuff that you happen to know", you might find looking at articles in or around your home town or favourite place might be worthy doing first. You'll get a feeling of how articles have been written, perhaps spotting typos or other small fixes which you can correct. Making sure the written English flows easily and is gramatically correct is almost as important as goof, factual content. You might find certain statement have written after them, which means we need to find a Reliable Source to insert to support that statement. In time, you might feel confident to add one via the 'Cite' button. You could visit Help:Introduction for further guidance, or come back here if you hit problems. Because it's easy to make mistakes, you might feel other road users appear abrupt with you if you do mess up. But rather than bite back, take a moment to work out what you might have done wrong and keep on the correct side of the road to avoid confrontation. We work by collaboration and consensus, so engaging with other editors is quite normal - as is following what other users advise you to do. That way you'll be helping to build the worlds greatest online encyclopaedia. Good luck, and enjoy the ride. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello wrld

Iam new. Spotanus (talk) 05:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Howdy, and welcome to both the Teahouse and Wikipedia as a whole! Let us know if you have any questions, and we'll be happy to help. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27 how can i help wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spotanus (talk • contribs) 06:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spotanus. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Community portal for many recommendations of things that you can do to help. Welcome to Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to submit a copyright and retrieve deleted article

Hello,

I contributed an article titled, "ot9 Beno". I am an intern for the artist camp and the manager wants the contribution to match his website. ot9beno.com Ceciwrites (talk) 07:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ceciwrites. Comply immediately with the mandatory Paid contribution disclosure or you may well be blocked. Your boss's wish to have a Wikipedia article "match" his website is an arrogant fantasy that will never become true. This is an encyclopedia, not a website mirror. You have two choices: Resign or push back against these unreasonable demands. Good luck. You are in a difficult position. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328. I AM NOT PAID TO CONTRIBUTE. I AM AN INTERN/FAN, MY ARTICLE IS IN THE SANDBOX, AND IT HASN'T BEEN PUBLISHED. I AM SEEKING ADVICE BEFORE DOING SO. THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR KIND AND HELPFUL WORDS. CECIWRITES 09:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Ceciwrites, according to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#Additional notes on who must disclose, interns are considered employees for the purpose of this requirement. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ceciwrites: At the moment the article is in your sandbox, User:Ceciwrites/sandbox. As it is now, it is nowhere near being acceptable as a Wikipedia article. You will need to explain to your manager that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, where editors write articles that summarize what the best available independent sources have to say about a subject - not what those subjects want said about them.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Got it thank you. CECIWRITES 09:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@CECIWRITES: Your sandbox is an exact copy of http://ot9beno.com/about/ . I know you said above that your manager asked for the Wikipedia article to "match" the website, but that does not mean that the copyright on the ot9beno.com no longer exists. Your previous draft was deleted as a copyright violation, and I'm afraid your sandbox will also have to be deleted. More info on your user talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 09:26, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: I have permission to post it. So that my self and the rest of his fans can know more about him and everyone can add on to his page once its started. I have found the CC license. but not sure about the GNU license. Also is the licensing something they would do? & can I still write this in general? CECIWRITES 10:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Two things: You still haven't complied with the mandatory requirement to disclose your paid status. You need to do that before you make any other edits. Secondly, even if that text is released from copyright it is not appropriate for Wikipedia, so don't waste your time by investigating how the text can be donated. --bonadea contributions talk 09:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

And a third thing, actually – your signature needs to contain a link to your user page and/or talk page. Your all-caps signature points at User:CECIWRITES, which is not a registered user – links to names are case sensitive. --bonadea contributions talk 10:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Ceciwrites: The copyright holder of the website is going to need to be the one to release it under a free license that Wikipedia accepts; however, given that most websites are written in a tone that is too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes, it's highly likely that the content would need to be written for any of it to be considered OK to use on Wikipedia even if it was freely licensed. Generally, Wikipedia editors are expected to summarize in their own words what they read about subjects in reliable sources and then cite those sources in support so that the content can be verified; trying to simply copy-and-paste large blocks of external website content onto any Wikipedia page is almost always not going to be considered OK to do. If you would like to try and create a draft about this person, then you can; you are, however, going to need to demonstrate that they meet Wikipedia:Notability (people) for any draft to have a chance of being accepted as an article. You're also going to need to follow the guidance given in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for reference because it sounds like whomever asked you to create this article doesn't really understand how Wikipedia works at all.

Finally, please take a look at Wikipedia:Signature for some information on how to properly "sign" a talk page post. You're signing your posts as [[:User:CECIWRITES|CECIWRITES]], but there is no account registered as User:CECIWRITES. Since you registered for an account as "Ceciwrites" (not "CECIWRITES"), that's the account user name your going to need to use. It might be possible for you customize your signature if you want as explained in here, but your Wikipedia user name is still going to be "Ceciwrites". -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Noted, thank you so much I appreciate your time and knowledge --Ceciwrites talk 10:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Problems when referring to another Wiki page in this format ... when editing

Hello...

I have been having problems editing a Wiki page in the normal way [[....]] in source editing so that when clicking the highlighted name (in blue), it will lead to the quoted Wiki page.

The edited term instead appears in red.. indicating the page is not yet created/available. However, when I search the term, the page is already there.

Please assist.

Regards. Volten0001 (talk) 09:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Volten0001, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't told us which article you are trying to link to, but the usual reason for this is that the case of the letters does not match. The case must match exactly, except for the first letter. Also, any accents, punctuation, spaces etc must match. If you still can't see the problem, copy and post the exact string you are putting between the brackets here and we can look. (I put <nowiki> round your example, so that what you typed would appear.)--ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

India article

I saw articles about USA, England and Australia have sub-section for Education and Sports but this India article doesn't have. I suggest to create seperate sub-sections for this. Images used in that article also looks low quality, outdated and do not represent true India, only showing unhygienic, poor side of India. Newton Euro (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: welcome to the Teahouse. The article India does actually have these sub-sections: India#Education and India#Sports and recreation, both of them sub-sections of India#Culture. In the article about Australia, the sub-section Australia#Education is under Australia#Demographics, while Australia#Sport and recreation can be found under Australia#Culture. USA has the same structure as the article about Australia, with education under demographics, and sports under culture, but England has a different structure again, with education and sports as separate sections that are not under culture, nor under demographics. I don't know why the structure of these articles are different, but the sub-sections are there in each of them.

If you want to suggest different images, Talk:India is the place to do that. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea and Bonadea: I think we have to follow England structure. #Education section of India is not well developed and is very short.Newton Euro (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Newton Euro, it seems that you had already posted your suggestion to Talk:India when you started this message thread. When you post a suggestion on an article's talk page, there's no need to bring up the matter here as well. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro keep in mind that there is also an entire article about Education in India. Take care not to "overload" the section with too much detail. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Need help regarding Cyclone Jawad

Please some admin or senior editors close the AfD at Cyclone Jawad and move Draft:Cyclone Jawad to mainspace as its ready. 2402:3A80:6FD:B303:55D:9023:51BF:FF3E (talk) 10:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Tagged for CSD. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 10:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Long standing citation requests

While reading Wikipedia articles I often come across long standing citation requests and other template warnings. For example, on the Sheffield Steelers page some of the citation needed requests date back to 2007 and the recentism template was placed there in 2009. The article is being updated but 'warnings' ignored. Surely such longstanding 'requests for action' reflect badly on Wikipedia. I have little interest in the subject matter and so wouldn't want to spend time trying to find sources to validate these passages. The talk page looks moribund so I think things are unlikely to be resolved by commenting and seeking a consensus there. The choice for me is to ignore and move on or delete the 'offending' lines and remove the citation needed warning. What are people's views here? Rupples (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Rupples. You raise a very good point. Per WP:V "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source". If it has been a while and there have been no constructive suggestions on the talk page, I suggest you remove one statement at a time, and see whether other editors swing into action with some references.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Not enough sources?

A writer friend of mine recently attempted to start a Wiki article about me. I am a musician and although I am mentioned in other people’s pages, there is no entry for me personally. There are a number of stories and interviews in newspapers about me (both physical and virtual ones), plus of course anything can be verified by checking websites of artists, album liner notes, or seeing me perform with various famous people on YouTube etc etc. Seems to be fairly easily verifiable stuff, yet he got the message that “there were not enough verifiable sources “. He added a few more (does Wiki accept its OWN pages as verifiable sources?) and then got a message that maybe it’s “under review” or something to that effect. So it has been neither accepted nor rejected at this point. Not sure what to do from here. Appreciate anyone that can shed some light on this or suggest what to do now. Just wait? Or have yet another person that knows me write another article? I saw other people being asked what their name is on here so maybe I should put my name. It’s Jay Collins. Thanks.  Jaybird1968 (talk) 15:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jaybird1968, and welcome to the Teahouse. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia (rather than social media, or a business directory) we require that articles be almost entirely based on what has been published in reliable sources unconnected with the subject. This means that in order for an article about you to be possible, several people, wholly unconnected with you and not fed information by or on behalf of you, must have chosen to write at some length about you and been published in places with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control. This means that nothing published by you or your associates, nothing in user-generated sources such as blogs, social media, or wikis (including Wikipedia!) and nothing primarily based on your words - interviews or press releases - can contribute to this. Most artists, even professional ones, do not meet these criteria, and we therefore do not have articles about them, even if they are mentioned in other articles. (I am mentioned in an article, because I once did something remarkable, but not enough has been written about me to ground an article about me). If you or your friend can find sources to establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (essentially what I explained above) then there can be an article about you. Your friend is discouraged from writing it, because of their conflict of interest, and also because writing an article is a very challenging task for a new Wikipedia editor (even if they have experience as a writer) and I always advise spending a few months learning the trade by editing existing articles first. But if you do meet the criteria, then your friend may create a draft - see your first article. If you do not, they will be wasting their time trying. --ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jay Collins (musician) - this seems to be the relevant draft. Alerting its creator, WoodieAlan, who - based on their user name and contributions - may also have a COI with Alan Paul (author). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I upload photos without it going to Wikipedia commons

I want to upload a photo with a Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0) license but in order to upload to Wikipedia it has to go to Wikipedia commons, is there a way for it to not go to Wikipedia Commons? I also have found a source I want to use but I'm not quite sure if it's reliable https://www.sealifebase.ca/summary/Labidiaster-radiosus.html. commons? Maomaoox (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Maomaoox The CC BY-NC licence is not acceptable on Wikipedia, it has to be CC BY-SA. The Sealifebase source looks good, you can also try the IUCN website. A Google Scholar search could also be productive. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Dodger67. Thanks for the tip on google scholar and sea life base, google scholar provides way more information on subjects and I was not aware of it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention

Page doesn't exist?

Hello, about 5 months ago I wrote a Wikipedia article on Joanna Langfield, who is a well known movie critic having been on the radio for nearly 40 years now. She's also my mother. Unfortunately the article still has not been published and am not sure why.

Whenever I click on the link through my account, it says the page does not exist.

I admitted the conflict of interest, I'm obviously doing this for free and made sure everything was linked and uploaded pictures to show that everything that was written is true.

Is there anything more I can do to make sure the page gets published?

Thank you. GregWikiMake (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Joanna Langfield has not yet been submitted for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

GregWikiMake, if you want to submit it, you need to click on the blue button at the bottom of the box above the text of your draft. Deor (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd also recommend doing a quick clean-up to avoid such words as "legendary" (relating to the radio personalities with whom she worked); the new article reviewers tend to be very sensitive about anything that might look promortional. Thank you for declaring your CoI properly. Elemimele (talk) 17:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both! Now is there a way I can get it reviewed quicker? : ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GregWikiMake (talk • contribs) 18:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@GregWikiMake I was about to mention "Improving your odds of a speedy review" but it seems you saw that already. Making sure your article follows WP:BLP (if you can't ref it, don't add it) and meets the demands at WP:BASIC will help. Also, in a WP-article, call her "Langdon" in the running text, not "Joanna". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Ranveer Singh - Indian

Ranveer Singh did dubbing for Deadpool 2 but their is no mention about it on this article. I think a seperate sub-sections have to be made for his dubbing work or add it in filmography by making a table.  Newton Euro (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The place to discuss improvements to an article is at the article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Ranveer Singh. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Not able to create table

In Ashok Saraf, I tried to add a wikitable in visual editing mode but I'm not able to that, whenever I tried to click on a cell in a row it is just blinking one time but cursor not appearing in cell. I am using android for editing. Newton Euro (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: I don't know why that's happening to you, but to be honest, editing Wikipedia on mobile is very hard and not worth the effort. I suggest keeping your editing activities on a computer instead. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

De-orphaning a Wikipedia page by linking to another page

I am trying to de-orphan Wikipedia page Walter Boardman Kerr by linking it to another Wikipedia page, Philips Academy, where WBK is listed by name on a list of notable alumni. I clicked on the link button in my sandbox thinking that would do it, filled out the info on the form, then submitted, but apparently I need to do something else. Can you assist me? Thanks. Trail972 (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC) Trail972 (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Phillips Academy

 Courtesy link: Walter Boardman Kerr

Welcome to the Teahouse Trail972! Kerr's name already appears to be linked on the Academy page, but no one has removed the orphan template from his own article. As for how it's done, you would edit the source of the page in question and add two square brackets on either side of the name (in source editing mode; Visual Editor is likely different). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The orphan template has now been removed by User:Theroadislong. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding. How do I remove the orphan template from the Kerr article? Also, I have a Library of Congress photo of Kerr to insert on his page. When I click on the images button in sandbox, it asks me to give a Filename. Would that be the Library of Congress Digital Id or Control Number? Not sure what dialog box is asking for. Trail972 (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

See above, Trail972 - the template has already been removed by someone who read your post here. If you have a photo for the page that is appropriately licensed, it will need to be uploaded either to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons. It will then be assigned a filename, etc. Commons is the preferred place for a number of reasons, but they can't host non-free files. What is the copyright status of the image you want to use? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

If it's this one, I don't think we can use it, but I'm not well-versed in the labyrinth of copyright law. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's that one. Library of Congress doesn't think Acme Photo registered a copyright on it, but it would take some research to find out for sure. Part of New York World photograph collection given to the LOC.Trail972 (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

There's already a picture in the article, but I see that it's been nominated for deletion on Commons because there are doubts about its copyright status; I don't know what the outcome will be. Copyright is a very serious issue around here, and in the absence of good evidence to the contrary, our default assumption is that a work is indeed under copyright. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Help with my page on the butterfly animal

Hello can anyone help me with my page on the butterfly animal. It’s an extinct arthropod from Silurian Waukesha. However there are no scientific studies done on it, and I don’t know the order or family it belongs to, so trying to create a taxonomic box is a pain in the butt. Again please help if anyone can.Fossiladder13 (talk) 18:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Fossladder13, and welcome to the teahouse. I'd recommend checking out WikiProject Arthropods, who would be able to help with this better. Do you know the scientific name of the species/genus you're describing? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

No I don’t, the animal has not had a scientific description done on it yet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fossiladder13 (talk • contribs)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Butterfly Animal (Fossil) I added a courtesy link so people know what you're talking about. Looks like someone added a template now. Happy editing and please remember to sign all of your posts! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

My butterfly animal page being finished

(Amalgamating separate sections for the same topic.) Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok so my page on the butterfly animal is done, how do I get it out of draftspace and onto actual Wikipedia, or can someone do it for me please

 Fossiladder13 (talk) 21:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
@Fossiladder13: I have added a draft template to your draft, which gives you a blue button at the bottom right corner of the draft box (very obvious at the start of the article), which you can click to submit it. I would recommend that you make a few edits first, such as substituting "unusual" for "weird". Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Fossiladder13: This is not a formal review. I have taken a glance at the article, and would suggest it needs some careful proof-reading and copy-editing. If I get some time in the next couple of days I might try to do some. If I do, my edit summaries will explain the reason. Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Improving Page / Vestwell

Hello - looking for suggestions on how to improve this page. All sources are external from the brand at the moment, do I need more? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vestwell Epcomms (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Epcomms welcome to Tea House! The current links are not very high quality nor independent of the source, for example MadeInNYC is explicitly a promotional link. Please carefully read through WP:RS and WP:NORG. Fewer, but much much higher quality links would help this article. I do not wish to be contacted for follow up questions about this specific article though. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:10, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Epcomms: The draft also needs a lead section. You could create a new section, or remove the "History" section header to create a lead. GoingBatty (talk) 03:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!

I just wanted to say thank you for the invitation! This will be very helpful. Mkwal914 (talk) 19:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mkwal914: Welcome to the teahouse, a place to ask questions. We are thankful you're here, any further questions? Severestorm28 (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Are podcasts acceptable as a source?

Can we use podcasts as a citation/source? Prodjex (talk) 19:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prodjex welcome to Tea House and thank you for your question! In short, yes under very narrow circumstances. Either because the podcast is scholarly in itself, for example in a neutral, scholarly tone or because the individuals speaking on it are subject experts themselves, per WP:SELFPUBLISH. Happy editing and 'casting! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah thank you very much for your response, I appreciate the information. If I were using the podcast source to quote the owner of a company or principal of a school, would that be within the acceptable circumstance? Sorry, I should have been more specific in my initial question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodjex (talk • contribs) 22:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Prodjex, those would come under WP:SELFPUBLISH as Shushugah said, so you could cite them but only for the limited kinds of information explained there. This is assuming that the podcast was by the speaker or somebody associated with them. Otherwise, it would need to be a reliable source, i.e. published by somebody with a reputation for fact-checking abd editorial control to be considered at all. --ColinFine (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Any way to enable navigation popups across wikis?

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Any way to enable navigation popups across wikis?

Hi all, does anyone know if it's possible to enable navigation popups across wikis, without having to go into the preferences? I often go to other projects chasing LTA socks, and it's quite a pain that I have to enable popups on all those wikis. I once tried adding the following to m:Special:MyPage/global.js but it didn't work.

// Navigation popups on all wikis (?)
importScriptURI('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/popups.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

I would appreciate any help. Dragoniez (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dragoniez Tea House is for newer editors, I think WP:Village Pump (Technical) would be a better place to ask! Am curious what the answer is tho, happy navigating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah Oh right, thanks Shushugah, will post on VPT. --Dragoniez (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I am writing my first submission

...and have had my article reviewed by Ivork. I would like to know how to cite sources. Much of the information contained in the submission is verifiable and can be attributed to newspaper articles of press releases. Essentially what characters inline relate to sources for specific content? I am continuing to read best practices and help pages too. Best, Rush Owen  Rush Owen (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Rush Owen. The editing tool you use has a big Cite button which you use to bring up a template to enter your citation details. Full details can be found at WP:REFBEGIN. Pop back if you need further help. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Your sandbox draft gives me the feeling you’ve written it as an autobiography, or that you personally know this individual. If that’s the case, please read WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Nick, Rush Owen, and I would further point out that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. For almost every single statement in your draft you need to ask, Where has somebody unconnected with Hatch published this information? If the answer is "nowhere", then it doesn't belong in any Wikipedia article. The exceptions are uncontroversial factual information like dates and places, where self-published sources connected with Hatch are acceptable. But no information should be in the article unless it has been published somewhere.

My suggestion (which I regularly give to new editors who attempt the very difficult task of creating a new article) would be to put Hatch aside for a few months while you "learn the trade" of editing Wikipedia, and how articles are shaped, by improving some of our six million existing articles. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Question

Why does Wikipedia keep asking me for money when I am definitely not donating as long as MF DOOM keeps being reverted back to “Mf Doom” on his page? 2600:8801:1B84:AE00:D0EF:76C6:2CBE:7308 (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation makes an annual appeal atound this time to help meet its global running costs. If you create a free account, you will avoid seeing these uappeals. Regarding article name changes, thats an issue that should be held on the article talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

It has been discussed several times and is in the "Frequently asked questions" box at top of Talk:MF Doom. The consensus to follow most reliable sources and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters is unlikely to change. Donors have no influence on our content. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia just wants $2.75, I have been asked 4 times which can be really annoying.LebronRJames (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Donation card compromised

This is not a question, but for your information. Within 12 hours of making my $11.00 donation on 12/02/2021, the credit card I used was attempted to be used fraudulently. You may have been hacked. I do not have an account with you, but my email is (Redacted) if you wish to contact me. i think i supplied it as part of the donation. The donation cleared successfully, so that is not a problem. 2600:6C54:7500:CE4:25A7:E2D3:4725:2A30 (talk) 21:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Contact donate[at]wikimedia.org. We cannot do anything about this here. I have redacted your email address for your protection. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Expand the article use of non-free image

Hello is it possible to expand the use of the non-free picture in Tigist Shibabaw in another article for example Amhara people, for a (Amharic) music section there? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC) Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

You would need to come up with a convincing fair-use rationale that covers that article, as well as meeting all other requirements of WP:NFCC. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: in a similar fashion as the literature section [[3]], i would like to create a music section with different Amharic musicians of different era's, i would like to keep it balanced 50/50 men/women ratio and preferably with more established female names, as you can see here i have some difficulties here, one is not very notable and another is average. I have considered uploading non-free images of prominent deceased performers Asnaketch Worku & Bizunesh Bekele, but if i can't use it for the purpose of the music section(Amharic music), then i might upload it at a later for their own articles. Strange enough other established and alive names don't have pictures even though there are just as many articles as their male counterparts. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

And Tigist Shibabaw sings in Amharic, in a hip-hop/funk genre which she represent. Others are traditional Amharic folk musicians, Ethio-jazz & blues musicians, Amharic pop etc. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I believe the answer is no, because it fails WP:NFCC#1, as there are free equivalent images (of other relevant people). Joseph2302 (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Accessing the visual editor

When i edit anything (article, talk page etc, it is all in Wikitext. This is a matter of trial and error to learn. How do i access the simpler visual system? The links when i search dont seem to help. John Keller (talk) 23:59, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, have you tried following the steps outlined here? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

No, just one edit tab "edit source" and in preferences no option changed when I unchecked "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" John Keller (talk) 01:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller: The visual editor is only available in certain namespaces, like Main (articlespace) and User. Namespaces like Talk don't support it (though there is a way to force it to work in those spaces). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Just say no

John Keller, the visual editor is indeed simpler -- until you realize that no it isn't. I recommend that you try again to edit the "source" (or "Wikitext"). Using it to create tables is a pain. For anything else, it's easy. Hit your Enter key twice in order to start a new paragraph. Never start a new line with one or more spaces. Two apostrophes immediately before and immediately after anything that should be italicized. Two equals signs immediately before and immediately after a heading of highest importance (such as "Accessing the visual editor", above), three of them for a heading of less importance (such as "Just say no", above). Doubled square brackets around a link. Oh, and references. These are of supreme importance, but I suggest that you spend a little time reworking existing prose, and only then add new material, of course with references. That's about it. There is a little more, but you'll pick it up as you go along. -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. That's what I needed. I think my browser doesn't support the visual editor. John Keller (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller: If you're using the source editor, you may be intersted in Help:Cheatsheet. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I, too, endorse the use of the source editor. It is criticized as being old fashioned and difficult to use. Yes, it is old but old is not necessarily bad. Although I have been using personal computers since the late 1970s, I have never been a professional programmer. I am a "learn as I go" guy and I had no problem learning wikitext or wikicode or whatever you want to call it. It is logical, intuitive and not at all difficult for people with an open mind and a willingness to learn. Cullen328 (talk) 08:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@John Keller Are you aware that you can set your own individual Preferences for which of the two editing tools you are offered? Use the Preferences link at the very top of the page. In the 'Editing' tab look for 'Editing mode' and select Show me both editor tabs from the dropdown option box, then hit Save at the bottom of the page. Like many others, I only really use Visual Editor for entering information into tables, and stick to WP:Source Editor for everything else. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@talk Thanks! I found the option to show both editing modes now. And I notice that for some wikiplaces (like here) only the edit source is available. I am getting used to it. John Keller (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I need a Wikipedia mentor

i need a Wikipedia mentor. i'm new Wikipedia volunteer member. Md Nahid Islam Sumon (talk) 04:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Md Nahid Islam Sumon, this draft suggests that you have to (i) recognize promotional material when you see it, (ii) avoid using it, and (iii) avoid recycling its language (unless perhaps you are directly quoting a reliable and of course disinterested source): "successfully", "leading", "important pillar", "global", "enhance", "key driver", etc. No "mentor" can help much with this. -- Hoary (talk) 06:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Md Nahid Islam Sumon, begin by reading and understanding the Neutral point of view, and then read and understand Wikipedia's Five pillars. Let us know if you have any questions after reading those items. Cullen328 (talk) 07:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How to undo 2 or more edits?

 --Spotanus (talk) 08:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Spotanus, welcome to the Teahouse! You can revert them by using Twinkle or RedWarn tool. Thank you. --Richard Michael William (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks --Spotanus (talk) 08:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spotanus. There are several possible techniques. I do not use semi-automated tools because I want to give careful human thought to every one of my edits. The one that I use most commonly is to look at "View history" tab on the article. Find the last proper version before improper edits and click on the date and time. This should bring up the version that you want to restore. Check it out and if it is OK, save it with an edit summary like "Restore to version before (vandalism) (disruptive editing) (copyright violation)" or whatever is most accurate. Cullen328 (talk) 08:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

👍 --Spotanus (talk) 08:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Inserting Image Problem

Hi and hello, im new here in wiki and im inserting a picture. File: Drawing.png . How to fix it? --Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC) Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 10:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Lil Moon Teddy welcome to Tea House! You’ll need to make wrap it double brackets just like a Wiki link. [[File:Drawing.png]] Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you so much! Lil Moon Teddy (talk) 12:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Lil Moon Teddy, you may only upload freely licensed works. And when using existing freely licensed works, you have to respect the license terms which typically require attribution and sometimes to release your derivative work using the same license.

I don't know where the character from File:Drawing UwU.png comes from but https://www.deviantart.com/freypagani/art/Three-Fixes-cartoons-in-reality-891396671 features the same background so I doubt you created it. This is considered a copyright violation as there is no evidence that the elements are freely licensed.

File:Forest.jpng.jpg is a copy of File:Beilstein-Maad - Schmidbachtal mit altem Feldweg am Nonnenwald im November.jpg with some filters applied but doesn't provide attribution for the original. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Lil Moon Teddy: Probably you'll find some useful information at Wikipedia:Images. --CiaPan (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

to start my new page

 Tandelsachin (talk) 12:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

If it would be about you, a friend, a relative, or your employer, please don't. If it would be about something else, please read Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Bots and Bare links

Is the citation bot working properly and as often as it should be? Why doesn't it automatically convert bare links (Special:Diff/1052671329) into the sophisticated coding language of Wiki? I've seen the Anomie bot automatically working after me, but the Citation bot is not being as active and helpful to beginners. Nolicamaca (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Outline of chocolate - is this really a style of article we have?

I came across the article Outline of chocolate, and it struck me as kind of odd. I've been editing for a few years, but this is a style of article I've never come across - it's almost a list, but it isn't, and it's not a general overview of chocolate like you'd expect from the, well, chocolate article. One of the headers is just a question, which I don't think is in the manual of style.

I'm familiar with generic overviews that then link off to more detailed articles - Japanese clothing is one. I suppose it's just an article titled "Outline of ___" that's stumped me.

Sorry if this seems like a silly question - but do we really format generic outline articles like this? It seems like its content ought to be subsumed elsewhere, is all. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 14:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

We have loads of "Outline of..." articles. There was a handful of editors who liked doing them, led by User:The Transhumanist, who did most of this one. This is typical in getting very few views, av. 17 per day. I've never found them any use myself, & I think production of new ones has now largely stopped, but arguably they do little harm. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I quite like it! If you imagine someone wrote a book on the subject of chocolate, this outline would be the contents page. But I suppose these things are a matter of taste; I personally don't find categories useful, but a lot of people adore them. Anything is probably good, if it helps some group, somewhere, find the information they want. Elemimele (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Outlines. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Mistake in article

In this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recipients_of_the_Order_of_Jamaica

One of the listed persons is Peter Moses. The name is linked to a Nigerian footballer. This is the wrong Peter Moses.

This is the correct Peter Moses: https://www.firstglobal-bank.com/Team/PeterMoses

Can someone please correct?

Thanks 217.247.177.57 (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! Someone was wrong on the internet, and now's your chance to be WP:BOLD and fix it directly yourself! In the case that a wikipedia article doesn't exist for someone, you could either remove the wikilink, or make a WP:REDLINK to something like Peter Moses (banker). Happy editing and fixing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I actually just fixed it – there is no article about the banking executive, so I changed the wikilink to point to the not-yet-existing article Peter Moses (bank manager). Removing the wikilink did not seem to be a good solution since all other entries in that list are wikilinked, whether there is an article about the person or not. --bonadea contributions talk 16:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a YouTube video

Hi everyone,
I would like to upload these public domain videos from YouTube to Commons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Xky6tlFyY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VOb_10JCkI. I tried using the upload wizard, but with no luck. Any help is appreciated. Interstellarity (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Interstellarity welcome to Tea House! I cannot see where it's freely licensed (the NASA video is likely PD, but is the music in it?) but that aside, that's a question for Wikimedia Commons, not English wikipedia. See c:Commons:YouTube files for tips on format/downloading etc.. and you can tag {{help me}} inside your Commons talk page. Hope you find a solution! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I will ask on Commons. Interstellarity (talk) 18:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How do you correctly format a collage for an article

Hi all, I have plans for a collage to make but want to know. If you make a collage off Wiki and use Commons photos. When formatting correctly. What must be done. As I have had issues before with formatting collages correctly and would like to know how you correctly make one, which way clockwise must you start and how do you properly link common photos and authors to avoid copyright concerns? Cheers DragonofBatley (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! You should read Collage tips. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 16:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Copyright violation

So i was writing a draft article draft:Labidiaster radiosus and it has been rejected for copyright violation. What is the copyright violation here? is it because my words are very similar to the source? Maomaoox (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that looks to be the case, Maomaoox. Do you know about a tool called Earwig's Copyvio Detector? You can use it to compare your source(s) (if freely available online) with the draft you've written to see where the similarities are, and then work on reducing them. I don't know of any specific "good enough" percentage, but if you can get the similarity below 10%, you're probably safe. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Why my draft about Shoxrux Hamdamov were declined??

Hello. Can I ask you? is there any person who can help me to publish my article which - I’ve wrote about the Uzbek actor Shoxrux Hamdamov. It’s declined by you. It’s still as a draft.I am the new user of Wikipedia. I want to know what was my mistake. I want to share a full of information about him at Wikipedia. If I can’t publish- is there anyone who can help us to publish the page about him? We can pay. Or maybe there is any company that publish biographies about actors? Or some authors? We have got all information, youtube pages, a lot of movies links web pages about him only we don’t have any information in Wikipedia. We want to share and open a Wikipedia page for him. Please Let me Know? Or maybe you will help me? Can you contact me? Or give me your email GJAHANA (talk) 17:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@GJAHANA, there is nobody you can pay to have an article published. As stated in the review of your article, it was denied because it doesn't use reliable sources - Almost all of the sources are YouTube videos. Please review WP:RS, which explains the types of sources allowed. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 17:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Shoxrux Hamdamov Karenthewriter (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

In addition, as you state "I am his manager" above, you have a clear Conflict of interest and need to issue a Paid-contribution disclosure before making any more edits to Wikipedia - Arjayay (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

GJAHANA you may be interested in Uzbek Wikipedia. It might be easier to get a Shoxrux Hamdamov article published in a Wikipedia language read by those who may be more familiar with the actor. The reference qualifications could be different, or you may find volunteers able to help improve the article. Wikipedia volunteers work on articles that interest them, and I suspect it may be difficult to find someone willing to do volunteer labor for an actor they are not familiar with. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GJAHANA. Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It may not be used for promotion of any kind. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. If at some point we have an article about Hamdamov, the article will not belong to or be controlled by him or you, and it will not be for his benefit except by accident. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

PageImages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janssen_COVID-19_vaccine

The page image for the above page is not of the actual vaccine (vial) like with other Covid-19 vaccine pages.

I tried to change the proportions of the image to appease the PageImages extension as outlined in the following pages:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages#Image_choice

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&oldid=866390029#Determination_of_the_image

However the page image is still the generic image of the coronavirus instead of the vaccine.

Is this due to the fact that the picture of the vial is made available under the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0 and images marked as public domain cannot be used for page images or is there something else I am missing here?

Thank you. Ryebreadforscale (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ryebreadforscale, you puzzle me. (And perhaps the lack of other responses suggests that you puzzle other people here too.) You changed the image from one cropped version to another cropped version of a photo in the public domain. (Both, and many other images, are in this category.) Neither is, or as far as I understand ever was, a "generic image of the coronavirus". Instead, both show what appears to be an actual vial of the stuff. (Are you suggesting that it's instead a mock-up of some kind?) The picture of the vial is indeed "made available under the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0", in other words, explicitly donated to the public domain. If we ignore a few factors (notably personality rights) that clearly are irrelevant in this case, Wikimedia/Wikipedia can do what it likes with images that are in the public domain. -- Hoary (talk) 23:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I think they're talking about the preview image for Janssen COVID-19 vaccine - when I hover over that link with my mouse, I do indeed get the virus image instead of the vaccine vial. I have no idea what controls that selection, though. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ryebreadforscale, you might get better answers from the techies over at VP:TECH. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen, if you pick "Page information" from the sidebar, it shows you the "Page image", which is indeed the virus. Ryebreadforscale has aready linked the Mediawiki page that explains how that is chosen. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try asking there. Ryebreadforscale (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

wennberg

 80.216.214.12 (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Did you have a question? ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 21:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Edits

Why were my edits changed in this article? [4] 73.167.238.120 (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

My guess is, because you added information (a victim's age) without citing a source. But that information is in at least one of the sources cited at the end of the following sentence. Maybe Bkatcher, who reverted your edits, can clarify. Maproom (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, there are multiple sources already in the article. Thank you for your feedback! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not that you're adding the victim's age, it's that you're adding the word 'age', which is not needed in this situation. Bkatcher (talk) 23:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I do not see that I added the word 'age', but instead took 'age' out twice. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 01:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to talk to Mad Jim Bey

 Beninformed (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Beninformed, you can do so on his talk page.   Maproom (talk) 19:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Converting to an RfC

I have experience starting RfC's, but what procedure is required to convert an existing discussion? Talk:Oxford High School shooting#Names of victims is already setup in the right !vote/discussion layout, but obviously the heading and first posts wouldn't pass. Does a new thread need to be started altogether? --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I change the name of my page?/Changing Name of Page

 DVCeditor (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined duplicate queries. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I change the name of my Wikipedia page? DVCeditor (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DVCeditor. You've created an account, but so far it doesn't look like you've created any pages, though another editor has welcomed you on your talk page. Can you be more specific about what you're looking to do? Do you want to rename your account? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Help PLEASE

I am freaking out. I just spent more than an hour creating a page: Dr Vincent Covello. I previewed it many times then published it. Now I cannot find it! Q: Is there a lag time to SEE it published? Maybe that is why I am NOT seeing it? Please advise. Also, I uploaded two images that Dr. Covello has permission to use (they are his) and yet they could NOT be uploaded. WHY? Thank you! Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Dr Vincent Covello and welcome to the Teahouse. First off, this account has no listed contributions except your post here and to your talk page. Are you sure you were logged in while making these changes? Second, if you are not actually Dr Vincent Covello, you should not be using his name as the name of your account; you can either request a new name or drop this account entirely in favor of a new one. Third, I'm not sure what you mean by "they are his" pictures - did he take them? If not, did the photographer legally transfer the copyright to him? In any case, since you do not own the copyright, you can't upload them. Only the copyright holder can do that. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence that an article titled "Dr Vincent Covello" or "Vincent Covello" was ever published. So you're doing something wrong I think? But I'm not sure what. Did you get any kind of error messages?

For the uploading of files, sometimes there's a field that you forgot to fill in? It won't upload if you don't. More info on what exactly kind of error message you are getting would help.

If you are Vincent Covello and are writing about yourself, I wouldn't. Basically it is conflict-of-interest (see WP:COI). It's not absolutely disallowed, but as a practical matter the article will very likely be deleted right off and everyone's time is waste. We are wary of self-promotion and autobiographical articles can tend hagiographic. You can try WP:articles for creation maybe.

Perhaps some articles on another subject would give you useful experience? The large city of Calabar could use more articles on its public spaces and institutions, for instance. Herostratus (talk) 02:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Help please

I added info about Woody and cosplay in the Woody (Toy Story) article in the section impact, and its not appearing and now it says error on the screen does anyone know how to fix this? ― Kaleeb18^Talk 02:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

It's fixed, Kaleeb18. The ref for the previous sentence was missing a closing tag, so when you finally added a closing tag at the end of your edit, everything in-between vanished. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! ― Kaleeb18^Talk 02:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Is there any template that I can use for informing a wiki user that he or she is rampantly uploading derivative work in Wikipedia and in Wikipedia Commons? Thanks. NewManila2000 (talk) 03:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@NewManila2000: What exactly do you mean by derivative works? How much is "rampant"? If you nominate them for deletion via Twinkle, it'll automatically send a template message to the user that uploaded that file. Since template messages are often too broad, consider leaving a more personalized message on that user's talk page, describing in detail the issue at hand. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

As per the article derivative work, it refers to a expressive creation of a work that includes major copyrightable elements of an original, previously created first work (the underlying work) and maybe subjected to copyright. Oh, by the way, I am currently dealing with a wiki user regarding the issue. I inserted the word "rampant" because I had observed that he is still doing it. NewManila2000 (talk) 10:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting incorrect language link to another article

Hello everyone! Upon reading the Land value tax article on the English Wikipedia I opened its link for the Spanish Wikipedia version of the article, but it's about a different, nationally specific topic ES Wikipedia: Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles. I believe there is no article on Land Value Tax in the Spanish Wikipedia. Most of the links of the Spanish Wikipedia article to other languages are to topics about Land Value Tax and not the Spanish (from Spain) Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles. How can you delete all these incorrect links and instead link them to a new article? Thank you for your attention Bljrd (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Bljrd: Interlanguage links are handled by Wikidata, Wikipedia's sister project. You can see the Wikidata entry by clicking the "Wikidata item" link on the left sidebar, where you'll find all the Wikipedia articles that link to it on the right, in a box titled "Wikipedia". Wikidata also has a help desk at wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I can’t use web pages like YouTube channels? For my reference?

Hello, can’t I use YouTube my personal channels or another YouTube channels for my article? Like if the article is about actor - I wanted to share his film as a webpage in the reference ,? So Wikipedia declined my article. Because I have use YouTube?? GJAHANA (talk) 04:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You should read WP:YOUTUBE. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi GJAHANA! generally you cannot use a youtube page as a reference to establish notability as these require to be independent of the subject in question. however it may be possible to use an official site as a external link instead of a reference, placed in the external links section. happy editing!  melecie  t - 04:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Its beginning to look a lot like CE

I now understand mostly how to go about and fix CE on wikipedia. May i ask one thing, that someone please make me a custom signature to go along with my name? I would quite enjoy it. Presumably grey and red. I hope to continue fixing copy edit and improving Suggestbot articles. Thank you. You'vegotmail27 (talk) 05:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You'vegotmail27, your current signature is just fine. Please continue improving articles: you'll be respected for the work that you do, not for the prettiness of your signature. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Self-published websites.

I have been advised to not use a self-published website as a reference. I dont understand this. What is an example of a website that is NOT self-published?John Keller (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC) John Keller (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, John Keller, websites of respected media organizations that have a group of reporters, a team of editors, and ownership that does not make editorial decisions is not "self published". A university website with an elaborate review process for all of its content is not "self published". An book whose content is available online and is published by a major publishing house that reviews the text of each book with a fine toothed comb is not "self published". Websites that are basically a one person shows are self published. Cullen328 (talk) 06:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328, thanks for your reply. I would have thought that a university website is published by that university! So maybe "self-published" is not exactly what it means. (At first i thought it just meant published by myself.) Anyway, if i wanted to write an article on "Proposed Music Notation Reforms", as written about in the book by Gardner Read, would the website which itemises many of these systems (musicnotation.org) be an allowed reference, in your opinion? (I don't own this website.) My own opinion would be that anyone looking up this topic would be grateful to see examples of some of these proposed systems. I would appreciate your thoughts. John Keller (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

John Keller, I see that Gardner Read was a scholar of music who wrote about notation and who died in 2005. So, his work cannot be used as a reliable source for any developments since 2005 or that he did not discuss. If you are here to promote your own original research, then I need to advise you to stop. Experienced general Wikipedia editors take a very dim view of self-promotion, so please be very cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

So my question is whether musicnotation.org could be cited. It is basically a continuation of Read's collection of alternative proposals. Now you are confusing me. Surely people who write articles, or edit them, have done "research" on the topic! John Keller (talk) 07:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

As somebody who knows far more than most about alternative notation systems, John Keller, you are well qualified to summarize material about this from sources to which you don't contribute (and that aren't rivals). Used carefully, musicnotation.org looks as if it could be a worthwhile source: if so, it should be cited by editors who don't contribute to it (and aren't rivals). As for the research matter, I have contributed to a number of articles. I can't claim that my contributions have been particularly praiseworthy, but they've seldom aroused reversions, deletions or complaints. I have conducted no research whatever in most of the areas, and on the rare occasion when I have conducted a tiny amount of research I have been careful not to cite this. If this notion seems ridiculous or makes you indignant, then this website isn't for you. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion Hoary. I think we have a different sense of the word "research". People who write on a topic, have researched it. Otherwise they would have no knowledge to contribute. (Except grammar etc.) Yes, I have knowledge of alternative music systems, and my own system has been accepted onto the website. If this makes me ineligible to contribute to the Wikipedia article, would you be kind enough to add the link yourself, not to my system, but just to the website? As you say, it could be a worthwhile source; it is probably the only non-partisan site describing such alternative systems. I feel awful that just because I tried to add something, all the previous references have now been deleted. And the one example that is left in, is not an appropriate example anyway! Without a reference, the whole article is rather pointless. John Keller (talk) 10:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Marking for deletion

How do I mark an article for deletion? I would like to mark the page of the Jakarta ePrix for deletion. RemoteMyBeloved (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You don't mark it for deletion, RemoteMyBeloved. Rather, you first read Wikipedia:Deletion policy to see if policy requires that it should be deleted. If it does, then you carefully follow the recipe for suggesting deletion that you'll find at Template:AfD in 3 steps. Then other users see if they agree with you that deletion is appropriate. If the consensus is that yes it is, then the article is deleted. (If this sounds horribly complex, yes it is. But practice will speed up your part in the process.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

SALIM SAAD UHURU

What is wrong with my article for submission Leonahnana (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You provide Draft:Salim Saad Uhuru with no references; so for all the reader knows, the whole draft could be mere fiction. Can you cite three sources that discuss the man in depth? If you can't, no article can be produced. -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Where to start editing

where should i start editing? Commonwanderer (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

You've already made plenty of edits, Commonwanderer, to articles about South Korean TV series. Well, a subject about which you have reliable sources which you understand and can cite. If you have reliable sources about South Korean TV series (a subject about which I know nothing whatever), then why not continue there? -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I be reach

How can I be reach Lawrence saitoi (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I start a new page on Wikipedia?

I want to start a new entry on Wikipedia for a bio on someone. When I go to the article wizard, all I get is a blank page. It expects me to write in some sort of computer based language, of which I have no knowledge. I do not see the wizard to prompt me through the various steps of the bio like a template. Please can someone assist me. Mysky2blue (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mysky2blue, and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. There is no template in that sense - structuring the page is the easy part of writing an article. The difficult and much much much more important part is finding the independent sources, and accurately summarising what those sources say. You can find more information in my first article. I always advise new editors who try to plunge straight in to the extremely difficult task of creating a Wikipedia article to put that idea aside for a few months, and learn how Wikipedia works by improving some of our six million existing articles. Doing that is likely to save you much frustration and possibly some wasted work. --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The language is called wikitext, and basic formatting is not all that hard (see Help:Cheatsheet), but you can use the visual editor as well. Kleinpecan (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

thank you very much, Colin.