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Correcting Subject Names

How do I fix an incorrectly spelled subject name? The wikipedia article "Era of Good Feelings" should be named "Era of Good Feeling". How do I drop the "S"?

Here's the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Good_Feelings Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lord Milner. Technically, the page would need to be WP:MOVEd to the new title, but in this case it might be best to be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose the title change at Talk:Era of Good Feelings to see what other might think. There reason why I'm suggesting this is that a quick Google search shows the period being referred to in both ways by various publications and websites. Encyclopedia Britannica even states as much here; so, instead of moving the page, adding something about the different ways of referring to the period to the MOS:LEAD of the article might be all that's really needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't drop it, Lord Milner. Instead, you go to Talk:Era of Good Feelings and there write out your proposal for a title change. Note that the talk page shows that others have already proposed the same change. However, their proposals seem to have less reasoning and evidence, more indignation. Try to be persuasive. Get agreement. If you succeed, then retitling ("moving") the article will be easy. -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and there is no discussion about this. We are all taught the same. The word "Feeling" in this sense, is plural. The connotation of "Feelings" suggests something different, something amateurish. "The Era of Good Feeling" is both academically and linguistically correct. So, two changes need to be made: one to add the word "The", and a second to delete the letter "s".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Milner (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: On the omission of the in the article title, see WP:THE. Deor (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm from the United States, too, and I see no problem with the title "Era of Good Feelings". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

How long have you lived here, and where did you get your education? We have many contributors here, and many of them are foreign, and they do not know about this part of American History. I did a search on 'Internet Archive', and I came up with 70 different texts that support me. Link: https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Era%20of%20Good%20Feeling Lord Milner (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please consider using Third Opinion, Request for Comment to build a consensus. If you like American history, just think of Wikipedia as an upstart colonial government attempting democracy through discussion and consensus. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

All my life. Which is probably longer than yours. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, we are not "all taught the same" in the US. I have never heard of this, and I have always lived here, and I went to US public schools. Does "there is no discussion" mean that "everyone (in the US) knows this"? Not true... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's a few sources using the "s" form: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings/yCByAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover , https://www.google.com/books/edition/James_Monroe/sVbDDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover and https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings_and_the_Age_of/657fAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I find it ironic that we cannot agree on this. American History was taught to us in the 4th Grade. Lord Milner (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, yes, American History was taught all throughout my school years here. I just never heard of that era, using those words. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Lord Milner (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex

I am quite interested in the 3rd Earl of Southampton & noticed you had included in the information about him (derogatory) quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil regarding the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex, however I notice you have not included the quotes in the 2nd Earl of Essex information. Why is this? 81.110.1.225 (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. It is likely that none of the thousands of people you are addressing on this page had anything to do with either of the articles you refer to. It is also quite possible that different editors worked on the two articles The best place to discuss how an article can be improved is on the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine, regarding Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex, sorry that my reply is so late. Is it possible to add to the 2nd Earl of Essex article, the information included in the article of the 3rd Earl of Southampton regarding quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil about the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex. I realize it would also be important to include the information of Duncan-Jones that William Reynolds may have been a paranoid schizophrenic... Thank you for taking time to consider (& perhaps rectifying this). Best regards Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

IP user, every editor here is a volunteer, and works on whatever they want. Someone might be interested in doing what you asked, or maybe not. The place to ask is on the talk page of the article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the advice, Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How is it actually supposed to be?

Is it so that an article must actually be written by a person who knows about that topic a lot, or can it be created by anyone, regardless of how much the person knows about the topic (just for the sake of making a link blue)? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic that meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. As long as you can summarize sources, and are aware of the relevant notability guidelines, there is no requirement that you personally be knowledgeable in the topic you are writing about. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@331dot What is a general blueprint of an article? Almost all of the articles I've made are translations since I don't know what all to add while making an article independently. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I know that such a thing exists but I don't know the link to it off the top of my head. I bet that someone else around here does, though. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1:, every article is potentially a blueprint. For example, if you want to write an article about a famous historical figure, you can find any good article about a similar historical figure, and structure your article similarly, adopting the same formats for its sections, adding images in the same way, etc.; just change the actual text, images etc. to say what you need to say about your subject, and reference appropriately. Elemimele (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1, no, an article should not be written by somebody who is ignorant of the subject area. The article Pentagonal tiling is worthwhile and fascinates me; but if it didn't exist, nobody heeded my pleas to create it and I tried instead, then I'm sure there'd be a great risk that my creation would include idiotic mistakes. My ignorant creation might mislead readers and waste the time of other writers. Before creating an article in a given subject area, be sure to gain experience in improving existing articles in that subject area, and getting feedback that suggests that your mistakes, if any, are very few and very unimportant. -- Hoary (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully agree. Sometimes I have stumbled on something I'm fairly ignorant about, thought, "Hey, this meets GNG!" and made an article. Often short and incomplete, but that's fine in the WP-environment, since I'm not ignorant about WP. Sometimes other writers have improved them considerably, that's not wasting their time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, wow that article is interesting. Thanks! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Inserting links and references

The article pertaining to the city of Cranbrook, British Columbia, I made a minor update regarding the latest population stats, including referencing the sources I used. For reference, the change is displayed in the 2nd paragraph from the top. I was wondering if it possible for someone to check and see if I have inserted the citations correctly.

Cranbrook, British Columbia

Thank you.

Lawrence Neill (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lawrence Neill,Welcome to Wikipedia! Help:References might help you, especially the screencast in it. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 18:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing of an article by a "missing" editor

Hello, I have only recently noticed that my addition to Direction finding was removed on 31st August last year, apparently by User:Sunlight123. I have put a query about this on his Wikipage, but have got no response. However, when I looked more closely, this page has not been active since 2015. What's going on? Please help. D1ofBerks (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I looked at the Page of the mentioned user, and this is "going on": While they made edits until August last year, nobody bothered to post on their talkpage since 2015. I hope, this helps to solve this mystery for you. Greetings, --Maresa63 ^Talk 19:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, D1ofBerks. Although this editor registered in 2008, they edit infrequently and sporadically. They have 83 edits in total, and none at all from 2016 to 2020. Cullen328 (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the responses. However I still need help! As far as I can see, my addition to Direction finding, on Microwave DF, was deleted on 31 Aug 2021. I would line to discuss his reasonings with the editor, but I don't see how to proceed. Thanks D1ofBerks (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D1ofBerks (talk • contribs)

What would be the suitable area to ask editors what the usual process is for something.

I'm interested in helping edit or at least watching the development of the article Tornadoes of 2022. I want to ask a question of when editors usually add a tornado or consider it confirmed during current events. Where would be the proper place to ask this question? 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC) Wikiwillz (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk page of this article? Ruslik_Zero 20:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it suitable to ask general questions about a subject on the talk page of a sub-topic of the question. Excuse me if I’m being too circumspect. Wikiwillz (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wikiwillz, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:TALK#USE says Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. If you want to discuss the subject of an article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Reference desk instead. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal.

Does this answer your question. ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikiwillz, this sounds like a good use of a WikiProject. Perhaps WikiProject Weather may be able to answer your question? Aerin17 (t • c) 14:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Why not the talk page? The main question here is when it is appropriate to add a tornado to the article (Tornadoes of 2022). So, this question is directly related to the content of the article, which is being written now. Although the question has a more general value. Ruslik_Zero 19:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find all subpages on a user

I have created many subpages on my user account and I am wondering is there is a way to view all of the subpages? Thanks!

Ekh0-1talk 00:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: I found this Special:PrefixIndex/User:Ekh0-1/ but it is only showing two pages. Maybe someone else knows a better tool. RudolfRed (talk) 00:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1 If you created all the subpages, you can look through Special:Log/Ekh0-1 Rlink2 (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much!

Ekh0-1talk 00:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: On your contributions page, there's a box at the bottom containing a link named "Subpages". I usually find clicking on that to be the fastest way of seeing a list of the subpages of a user page. Deor (talk) 10:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with an Article about a Person

Hi, I am writing to ask about an article that I started Draft:Apurba Kumar Bardalai. This happens to be about a retired Indian Army officer, who is now one of the foremost experts on United Nations Peacekeeping. The Article has not been approved, since the section on Career has inadequate verifiable references. Now since he is ex-military, most of those claims are difficult to support with links to news articles and such sources. How does one provide such information under these circumstances? Would it be advisable to simply delete such information and allow the article to develop over time? Any ideas from experienced editors would be welcome. Thanks. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonathanvarunbenjamin. Are you connected to the person you're trying to create this article about is some way? I'm asking this because you've uploaded three files to Commons showing the subject at various times as your "own work". One of the images is from 1992 (and it looks like it was scanned from a newspaper), the other is a photo from 2009 that seems like was taken in Lebanon, and the last one looks like a profile photo taken last year that can also be seen used online here. Are you the copyright holder of each of these images? Generally, as explained here, "own work" means you are the creator of the work; for example, you're the photographer who takes the original photo, the artist who paints the painting, the designer who designs the logo, the composer who composes the music, the author who writes the book, etc. "Own work" doesn't mean that you got the photos from somewhere, scanned them, and then uploaded them to Commons. This isn't really related to the notability of subject of the article per se and won't affect whether the draft is ultimately accepted; it does, however, affect whether Commons can keep the files you uploaded.

As for the notability of the subject of the article, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject United Nations or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history since those three WikiProjects seem the ones that might cover someone like Bardalai. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thank you for your time and reply. No, I am not related to the person, other than the fact that I happen to be from the Indian Military. As far as the three files are concerned, all of them belong to the Person themselves. So I will follow your advice and ask for permission on email, before changing the Copyright tags. Thank you for this. I didn't have this knowledge.

I will make the necessary changes and take actions, after which I will come back to you with a request for reviewing the Article. Thank you once again. Cheers.

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 07:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you serve under or with this person or are you otherwise professionally connected to him? Is he a friend? You don’t necessarily have to be a relative to have a connection to him? As for the photos, copyright is typically held by the person who takes a photo, not by the person in the photo. Moreover, physically possessing a photo is not the same as being the copyright holder of a photo. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Not directly under the Person, but in the same Army. As far as the photos are concerned, I have confirmed that he is indeed the Copyright Holder of them - they are from his personal collection, taken by himself. He was consented to sharing with a Creative Commons Licence, an email for which he is sending.

Thanks for the guidance!

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathanvarunbenjamin, he took those pictures himself? They don't look like selfies. Any thoughts, @Marchjuly or @ColinFine? I'm trying to assume good faith... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

It will be sorted out by the Volunteer Response Team one way or the other. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

That is obviously not what I meant. But your sarcasm notwithstanding, I'd expect you to assume good faith in that he had them taken with his own camera(s). The older photo is clearly from an era predating selfies. As for the newer ones, they have been taken using digital cameras/phones belonging to him & he is in possession of the original image files. Thank you for your time & comments. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathanvarunbenjamin: VRT will sort it out. If a VRT member looks at the email and finds everything to be in order, they will add c:Template:PermissionTicket to the acceptable files' pages. If there are any issues with the email that were sent, they will explain them to the sender via email and add c:Template:Permission received to the files' pages. If there are issues that can't ultimately be resolved to VRT'S staifaction, the files in question will be eventually deleted. One possible issue is that it's generally the person who takes a photo who is considered the copyright holder, not the person in the photo and not the person who owns the camera. Giving your camera to someone and telling them to take your photo can make copyright authorship a bit of a gray area and copyright doesn't automatically revert to the person who owns the camera simply because it was taken with their camera. The headshot photo might be OK since there doesn't appear to have been much creativity added by the person who took the photo or if it can be shown it was a work for hire. The other two, however, might be harder to resolve because of the dates they were taken and their complexity (various creative considerations which might be eligible for copyright protection seemed to be involved in the taking of each photo). It could be argued that the persons taking those two photos added quite a bit of their creativity to them and thus they could claim partial copyright authorship over the photos. You might want to look at meta:Wikilegal/Authorship and Copyright Ownership#The Example of the Third Party Photographer for reference. Finally, one thing to understand about Commons is that it requires images be 100% free or PD in their country of origin/publication and in the US. Being 100% free or PD in only one of the two is usually not considered sufficient and such files can be deleted per c:COM:PCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody has answered your original question, Jonathanvarunbenjamin, so Ill try. If information has not been published anywhere, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article, period. If it has been published only by sources connected with the subject, or it plainly comes from the subject, then it may be usable, but with restrictions: see WP:ABOUTSELF. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I have now removed all the portions that haven't been published. But I have left the references to published works of the Person. I guess they are acceptable, since all of them pertain to his field of expertise - UN Peackeeping - a field in which he is one of the foremost experts, regularly participating in conferences and discussions at the highest level.

Could you spare some time to go through the draft and share some more valuable guidance? Thank you for your time!

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia BIAS

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18:12:02 I have been Hard Pressed to find anyone at Wikipedia to talk to. All they do is hand out a lot of disclaimers, but someone is in charge of the main Page content and I would like to know who. I have been giving to Wikipedia on a regular basis for a long time, but they are making me sick with their bias. Bias comes in what they report and What they don't report while at the same time Pretending To Be Unbiased. Which is Pretty Much what the news outlets do As Well. When I look on Wikipedia to find the results of the NCAA Kansas/North Carolina Game I get the face of a Woman and the lead story is the women's basketball. As If The Vast majority of the people in the country were not Interested in the Men's Basketball; If you believe that Your an Idiot, And Probably don't. But I have to have the women's Issues Stuck in my face, then the next Picture of the Day is A Suffragette. As A Man Who was taken apart in the Divorce Court who in The Name Of Women's Lib Routinely Destroys the Men Who Come Before them, Do not Listen To Them And Assign Them numbers & An Order to Pay Out which most Cannot afford since ii took a 2 Income family To Scratch by Economically and Now The Average man is faced with having to somehow Triple his Income to Make Ends meet And If You can't Your Called Names, Assigned to The Dead Beat File And Have your Drivers License Cancelled And Any Professional Licenses As Well. Told To get menial employment And To Regularly Go back to the Court to Grovel. While Women Have Endless Support Groups where they can go and Lie about the horrible abuse they suffered While Getting Good Material For More lies from The Women in the Groups, All To Gain A Bunch of Sympathy and Support while their husbands Are being destroyed In what Ends up as the Violent Attempted Murder of his soul. Lonely, Put upon, without support, Harassed for Money, Living in his van cuz he can't afford another place to live. Is not a viable support for another woman and Her kids, So His Future is bleak, Might as well kill himself. Why So many husbands go ballistic kill the kids, the wife and Maybe the Chaperone So he Can even see the Kids. And You still can't understand why I am not a fan of women's Lib? Well the Heavy Duty Up Up With Women Approach by Wikipedia Is Making Me Physically Ill, And I Have Cancelled my Support though I am A MENSA, have contributed to Wikipedia, and Probably Will again Given so many Mistakes it the articles. But You Insanely Liberal Morons need to realize that With all The UPUP with Women You do You are stepping on Someone Else Who Would like to See Some EQUALITY. 1 2600:1011:B158:67AC:7116:1C6A:263F:AF61 (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC) See WP:RGW for some guidance. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 01:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC) Main Page content, at least as far as the In The News section goes, is decided by a consensus of editors at WP:ITN/C. In fact the men's NCAA basketball is also at In The News right now, in the same blurb. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC) For the record, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Posted) NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Championships says: "The men's tournament most outstanding player (MOP) is Ochai Agbaji of Kansas - typically the men's MOP is the image accompanying the blurb, but there is not an image of him on his article as of now, so I've added an image of the women's MOP Aliyah Boston of South Carolina." Wikipedia respects copyright and doesn't pay for images so we need free images. Images on the Internet are copyrighted by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How do i create about myself on wiki

I am a music producer and i would like to create a page on myself. Is that possible? K3nbeatz (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

K3nbeatz Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is highly advised that you not attempt to do that, please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not interested in what people want to say about themselves- Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about people that are shown to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, or in your case a notable creative professional. It is usually hard for people to summarize what others say about them, because people naturally write favorably about themselves. If you truly meet the definition, an independent editor will eventually write about you. Keep in mind that a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with translating

Hi, I am having trouble creating an English page for a subject that is originally written in Finnish. The Finnish page is not created by me, nor am I using the translation tool, but creating a separate page since I am not part of the English Wikipedia. I'm having issues with referencing. The sources are sufficient in the Finnish version of the page, but not the translation I am trying to create. I am wondering how i can improve this, since there is very little English publications on the subject to credit as sources. I have been unable to find information about this issue anywhere. Khenrikss (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Khenrikss Hello and welcome. Since you are here, you are a part of the English Wikipedia. Sources do not have to be in English. It helps, but is is not required(see this policy). 331dot (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss: for information on how to cite non english sources, please see for example Template:Cite web#Foreign language and translated title. MKFI (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss I'm happy to chip in, if you'd like; I can search in Finnish and Swedish as well, which might help. Ping me back, or drop me a line on my talk page. (And FWIW, I empathise, having often come across this same problem, trying create enwiki articles based on fiwiki ones, only to find the sourcing woefully inadequate!) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Section or sub-section?

A small unimportant question: To add a section 'Religion' to Languedoc-Roussillon, should it be added as a section or a sub-section under 'Culture'? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References to an article and translating

Hi! How do I use the references into an article? For example, when I write an article and I start writing information about the subject, how do I use the references and are there any special cases that have to be added? Also, I've found some sources that are notable and I can use to my article, but, they are in a language I don't speak, for example Brazilian or Korean. Do I use Google Translator or is there a more accurate translator? Fisforfenia (talk) 10:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia—Hello! To add references, I'd suggest looking at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn how to put those in templates, I'd suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Also, to answer your translation question, Google Translate is a good starting point, but you should usually fix the translation yourself to make sure that it reads naturally. Once you fix it, if you are not satisfied enough, put {{machine translation}} into the article. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding to List of online payment service providers article

Hi there, would it be possible to help me update the table on the List of online payment service providers article page? It is listed as semi-protected and so only certain users can edit. If you can help, please do let me know. Thanks. WellPort12 (talk) 10:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, WellPort12: every article has a talk page. You can make your suggestion on Talk:List of online payment service providers. Please phrase it precisely, and specify your source(s). -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

To add onto the above, see WP:ER for instructions on making an edit request. Bsoyka (talk) 11:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding a page about a micronation established by yourself

Hello there! I have been trying to add a new Wikipedia page about my 5-year-old micronation, in which the main purpose is to show more people the accurate information about my micronation and I wish people that are interested in the same topics as me can get along with each other. But I got rejected once while submitting the old draft. May I know what is the solution to the potential issue of my page? I wish to be successfully accepted because my micronation is about to celebrate its 5th anniversary in May and a new Wikipedia page would be a huge milestone for my micronation. Thank you for your grateful understanding!

The micronation page: Draft:Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia C.R.Eintrachtia (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The solution is to rebuild the draft from material provided in reliable sources (as reliability is defined in Wikipedia). My guess is that these sources don't exist. If they do not (or until they do), please stop your attempt to interest Wikipedia in an article on this "republic" of yours: continuing would only waste people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.R.Eintrachtia I went to newspapers.com, which has data from over 20,000 newspapers, and searched for articles on Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia. There were none. I searched on Google and Google Books. Nothing on the above-mentioned micronation. If you have read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners you should understand that a new draft article for Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia can't be attempted until you have found a reliable reference for every fact you want to include in your article. It appears that you will need to celebrate your fifth anniversary without a Wikipedia article. Perhaps you can begin promoting the upcoming celebration in hopes of getting some newspaper articles written about the micronation. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.R.Eintrachtia Notability is a large hurdle. Also, the name of the country is listed as "Constitutional Republic of Einstrachtia" in one spot. Isn't there a stray "s" there?

The entire article looks like a copy from https://sites.google.com/view/eintrachtia. @Hoary, @Karenthewriter, the source page doesn't have an explicit copyright statement, but is this a copyvio anyway? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@73.127.147.187 there may be copyrigh>t violations but since this draft article has been Rejected (not just Declined) by two reviewers it can never become an article in its present form. However your point is valid, and all editors need to be careful that they are not violating any copyright law by just rearranging what someone else has written and published. We should always use our own words to restate what others have written, unless using a short direct quote, which should always be referenced as being a quote. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter well, they were the words of the article's author ... making it not suitable for showing notability, I suppose well, nevermind, due to the rejection, and I said the wrong thing anyway. Sigh.... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If you had a question it wasn't the wrong thing to ask. I've worked in law offices, and I write when I'm not on Wikipedia, so I know copyright law violations can be complicated, and cases have gone to court to decide if one writer stole another writers work. But when it comes to Wikipedia articles I tend to stick to Wikipedia rules, which is that you should find at least 3 reliable places where the article subject has been written about, to show that it's a notable subject. (Notable by Wikipedia standards.)

It is likely that not too many people, other than the person who wrote the article about the micronation, thinks that it is notable. If he/she/they quoted themselves in what you found on that Google site that would just be their opinion, and it doesn't prove that there are other people who think the micronation is notable. I've had some articles published in newspapers and magazines, but I would never use what I had published as a references for a Wikipedia article I decided to write, even though I wasn't lying in anything I had published. I would find what at least three other people had published about that subject, just to make sure I wasn't giving my own opinions. I hope my reply makes sense to you, and doesn't confuse you more. Best wishes in your efforts to help here at Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

References

For my article submission, I have cited a number of newspaper and magazine articles as references. However, I have these articles as physical cuttings in my files. How do I place these articles on the internet so that they be linked to as a valid reference? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The newspaper articles do not need to be online, but you do need to be able to provide the necessary publication information so that others could locate them if they wished; name of the publication, date, author, page number, etc. You would need to do that even if the sources were online. If your clippings lack any of that information, they unfortunately cannot be used. 331dot (talk) 12:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Do I upload them somewhere on Wikipedia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1—No, you do not have to upload them anywhere; as 331dot states, give the necessary details: the name of the publication, the date, the author, the page number, the volume, the link (if there is one, which there likely isn't in your circumstance), et cetera. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 When I say "so that others could locate them" I mean in a library or newspaper archive, not online. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, Mysky2blue1, unless the cuttings are so old that they are out of copyright, it would be a copyright violation for you to upload them. Many websites do not worry about this, but Wikipedia does, and forbids linking to copyright violations. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

As an old school person (in college, doing term papers at the same time as the Founders of the Personal Computing revolution), I never cease to be blown away by people questioning whether books and newspapers and magazines--physical stuff that gets physically dusty on physical library shelves--are valid sources for research. In my day, if a thing was only at a library other than your regular one, you: traveled to that other library, or; took an interlibrary loan, or; got your own library to buy a microfilm from that other library. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking editors

What to do when the user repeatedly keep moving the pages in Draft with no proper reason, even though the page is accepted twice via AFC. Can we report to such editors and block them to do so or stop the war? Rickinmorty (talk) 12:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rickinmorty! I advise you to assume good faith here, and I've pinged her on your talk page so we can find out what she sees as the issue here. Bsoyka (talk) 12:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

My article is considered for deletion but the discussion is inactive

Hello, my article FoodBeeper is considered for deletion. I want to have more opinions and a fair debate, but no one seems interested in taking part in the discussion. How do you suggest I carry on this discussion? Thank you. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rymknows23—An administrator could possibly relist it to generate a more thorough discussion. Also, I would advise not relisting it yourself, since you are not an administrator. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

3PPYB6 Thank you, it has been relisted. Rymknows23 (talk) 09:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Rymknows23, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, I just want to acknowledge how stressful it can be to have an article of yours nominated for deletion, so thank you for being so civil. The way our process works is that nominations are relisted until they have enough participation, so you don't need to worry about attracting others to it, and indeed, I'd advise against it to avoid any appearance of canvassing.

There are a few steps you can take to help improve the article's odds of surviving the AfD, though. What editors !voting in the discussion are looking for (per WP:NCORP) are at least two examples of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. "Significant" here generally means something like a normal-length newspaper article focused entirely on the company. "Independent" generally means that the content of the article was created by the journalist, as opposed to a republished press release from the company. "Reliable" here means that the article appeared in a respected mainstream newspaper, ideally with a regional or national audience and evidence of an editorial process (e.g. their about page mentions fact checking/a corrections form).

So your first step is trying to make sure you've found the best possible sources. We can help you here if you're wondering whether or not a particular source qualifies. If they have Wikipedia articles, I'd recommend linking them in the citations (if they're in other languages, you can use {{interlanguage link}}; let us know if you need help with that). Once you've found them, you can write a comment at the AfD presenting your three best candidates, explaining why each of them meets each of the criteria above. After that, just sit back and wait; you can reply to comments if you have something else to add, but otherwise just wait. Ultimately, if it's found notable, excellent, and if not, it's possible it'll become notable sometime in the future after more coverage is published. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Sdkb, thank you so much for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate it. one of the newspapers I cited actually has a French Wiki page, I'll try to bring that up in the discussion. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, Rymknows23, but a major reason why I haven't commented there is that you invited me to do so. I don't particularly blame you for having done so, as you did so openly (it's on my talk page) and you have even said on the AfD page that you'd done so, and anyway you're new to this. The AfD has already been widely (and legitimately) advertised: "This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Algeria [...] Business, Internet, Transportation and Websites". (Indeed, this may be the widest advertising for an AfD that I've ever seen.) I am surprised not to notice any comments from any editor with a particular interest in Algeria. Note that no comment has demonstrated any kind of indignation about the article or its creator; so if the AfD succeeds (if the article is deleted) but the company is later the subject of more substantial write-ups in reliable sources, then, as Sdkb has suggested, a (better) article on the company should be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, Thank you for clearing things up. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

AfDs sometimes attract a lot of talk, sometimes little or none (another example). -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Why can't I upload a file?

In the last two or three days I have tried several times to upload three files but nothing happens - for minutes into hours the window just says 'Upload in process - Your file is being uploaded.' I have successfully uploaded some similar files in the last week or two.

These are non-free files, intended for use in the article Michael O'Connell (artist). I wonder if the problem is that I have contravened a rule of some kind.

How can I find out what's going on? Tpsoconnell (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tpsoconnell: Hmm, that's odd. If you'd broken a rule and been banned from uploading, you would've heard, so I don't think it's that. Is the file hosted anywhere online? (If so, we can try, and we'll see if we encounter the same issue or not.) What is the extension? If you're able to give a super detailed account, WP:VPT might be able to help. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried the uploads again today. Two of the files uploaded immediately. The other one stalled for a long time, I cancelled it, then tried again somne time later, and it worked.

I conclude that the upload process is glitchy, at least for me. What's it like for other people? Tpsoconnell (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

There’s no other similar complaint either here or at WP:VPT, so if it is a global problem, it must be a rare one. I would guess the problem is somewhere between the Javascript on the upload page, your browser, your internet connection, ... Hard to diagnose especially if it’s on-and-off. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Help in starting a page

Hello,

I am interesten in writing a wikipedia page that doesn't exist yet, about a friend of mine Martin Baker, who is a writer and illustrator in the UK. I couldn't understand how to start writing a new page.

Can anyone help me in getting started?

Thank you,

Inbal Berner. באלי79 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79: See Help:Your first article. Since he's your friend, you have a conflict of interest, so make sure to declare that when you get to the relevant page in the wizard. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79 Creating a WP-article without any previous WP-experience is difficult. Start with reading WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. If you try to make an article with insufficient sourcing, it will be deleted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Query regarding adding gallery pictures

I wanted to add some Gallery pictures {from the Commons) to the artist Frank Moss Bennett article. However, as soon as I put the word ==Gallery== before the References four preview warnings came up relating to the infobox template. How do I insert the Gallery without this problem BFP1 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you doing it in the middle of the infobox? Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1, it had nothing to do with what you were adding. I've removed the old parameters in the infobox that are no longer valid parameters, so you should have no further problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. That worked fine BFP1 (talk) 08:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How long for edits to take effect?

Hi, I made the simple change to correct the death date of Franklin Steele, and gave references to show that the correction was accurate, but it took 3 tries and 8 days for the change to show up. I would like to know why this was so slow to be accepted. I have not made very many edits thus far, but I have not previously had this experience of a long delay. BilCen (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Your edits were on the page the moment you pressed publish. I do not understand your question. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 18:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, in your first edit you changed the death date in the infobox. In you second edit you changed the death date in the body of the article. In your third edit you changed the death date in the lead paragraph. All three were "accepted" the moment you hit the publish button as indicated by Roxy above. --ARoseWolf 18:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a moment to puzzle this out for me. I appreciate that you did, and I see what you are pointing out. BilCen (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BilCen Unless there is some strange WP:BYPASS related problem, edits are instant. Per the edithistory, [1], you changed the date in three places, is it possible you were looking in the wrong place? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, I'm glad we could help piece it together for you. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes can find things that are overlooked. Happy editing and if you have any further questions then please come back. --ARoseWolf 18:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force Creation

Hello, I have a couple of people interested in starting a task force with me, and I'm trying to create a page for us to house all of our information and goals so we can recruit more participants. I plan to nest it under Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress, but am struggling with how to build a new page that will nest properly within this existing project. I've read through the task force guide but am still confused on the template ot make a new task force page. What text should I put at the top of the article to help it navigate properly? Thank you for helping me with this! Wildfire35 (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force you say? Count me in! What am I supposed to do?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Right now, I mainly need help making a page for the task force. I mostly edit existing articles and so am very inexperienced with creating new articles, especially on the WikiPortal. Do you know how this is done? Wildfire35 (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Wildfire35, this link will take you to a Wiki page explain the process of article creation Wikipedia:Article creation. You get started and reply me the article link so I can work on it too.

Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45: WP:AFC only applies to articles; it doesn't apply to WP:TASKFORCEs and that's what Wildfire35 is asking about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wildfire35: You can find out more about task forces at page I linked to above. A task force is basically a sub-group of a WikiProject; so, before you try and create this one, you probably should wait a see what kind of response you get at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#2022 Elections Task Force just to make sure (1) a similar task force doesn't already exist and (2) there's actually a need for such a task force. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Source Editing

Hi, there I am wondering about source editing. What is it?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Organic Increse45. Source editing is how talk pages are edited and most experienced editors prefer to edit articles. You currently use VisualEditor in articles. You can change editing mode at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45–Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The VisualEditor is more or less a what-you-see-is-what-you-get editor, where what you type in is how it's going to look when published. The source editor, thereby, is editing the raw, or "source" code of the page. The source editor works like a plain text file, but things such as links can be written with brackets ([[example link]]) and templates with other markup like {{example template}}. You can also read Help:Wikitext for how to edit source code. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 23:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Dude! 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is a book that my professor wrote notable enough ? What determines notability for a publication especially one that is nonfiction

My prof wrote a book called "A world from Dust" (amazon link) and I was wondering if it would be possible to write a wiki article on it and what would determine if this book was notable or not ? Psi-Archimedes (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Psi-Archimedes: Check out the guidance at WP:NBOOK RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Psi-Archimedes, if you can find 2-3 more sources like this [2], you're probably good to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

One more: [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking newcomers

Hi, I've recently noticed repeated acts of vandilisim on articles. Any ideas how to stop them? Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may install Twinkle, by reverting the user's edits and placing a notice/warning on their talk page. You may also ask for permission at WP:RFP/R, but this would be installed by experienced users who have been reverting vandalism for a while. Severestorm28 00:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Organic Increse45, your desire to counter vandalism is commendable, but your very first edit was as recent as 18 March and you've only just learned how to edit "source". I wonder if you are even fully aware of what is and isn't vandalism. (It's clear that many editors who complain about "vandalism" are complaining about something else.) As you say you've recently noticed repeated incidents, perhaps you could here provide diffs of three unrelated cases, so that more experienced editors can reassure you that yes, when you see vandalism it really is vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you saying that I lack the necessary experience to counter vandalism? I'll have you know that I do know what vandalism means.

Vandalism, action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property. ( ͡▀̿ ̿ ͜ʖ ͡▀̿ ̿ ) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No, Organic Increse45, though you have me know that you can quote the opening sentence of the article "Vandalism", I'm saying that your lack of experience makes me wonder whether you're capable of differentiating between what is and isn't vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 22:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Organic Increse45. What Hoary is referring to is vandalism on Wikipedia. While vandalism on Wikipedia does also involve deliberate destruction to a Wikipedia page, it's important to not just automatically assume that every "bad" edit is vandalism because doing so can often lead to misunderstandings and other problems between users. In some cases, incorrectly calling someone a vandal can even be considered a personal attack. You don't need special tools or permission to "fight" vandalism, but it can lead to problems if you're not careful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Well I do have the experience to differentiate between what is and what isn't vandalism Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. You should have no problems then. Your original question did make it seem as if you might not be sure because it's not the type of question that typically asked by someone who is experienced is dealing with vandalism. Perhaps you should consider joining Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit because that project is always looking for experienced users to help out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Citing source

Hi, I'm trying to add a citation to One Step Beyond (Dungeon album), and I found this archive.org page of the band's website, which contains the discography information. If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information. However, the URL of the album just leads back to the homepage. Is there anyway to account for this while citing it? I'm fine with using both the source and visual editors. 42Pies (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi 42Pies. Sometimes when you find an internal link in a webpage like this one, you can open as a separate window and then use that as the url for the source. If you hover your mouse cursor over the "Music" tab on the main page and then look at the bottom of your browser, you should see the url www.dungeon.cd/music.html. It looks like there's a "Discography" tab on that page that leads to www.dungeon.cd/discography.php and maybe that link will work for you. If not, then maybe one of these archived versions of the "Discography" page will work better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I was just worried that the current https://dungeon.cd wouldn't do because it's the "Dungeon Fan Page" (on right hand sidebar when visiting page) 42Pies (talk) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@42Pies

(Edit conflict): I dont think theres a way to directly link to the page in question, and the URL confirms this.

In the citation include the information of how to get to the page in question If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information.. You can do this right after the cite template but within the ref tag (easier to do in source mode). Rlink2 (talk) 01:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a draft of a repeatedly deleted article?

I recently created Draft:Magomed Tushayev as I believe the person is notable, but the article has been deleted multiple times. Am I allowed to have this article up and edit it until eventually proving notability and doing AFC? Please speedy delete it if it is not allowed MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 02:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it allowed to create the draft? Of course. Few things are truly prevented from being written as a draft. The previous deletion discussion will only be considered if you submit the article for review or move the article into main space. Which in its current state would be a CSD candidate as there is no improvement over the article previously AfDed.Slywriter (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked into the article history, MaitreyaVaruna; I'll take your word for it. Any attempt to create an article is likely to be met very sceptically. So you'd better arm your draft against scepticism. Two points that I quickly noticed: (1) As "He murdered homosexuals. He was killed by the Ukrainian military", you've cited an article that I guess was, or is, in Polish. If it was (is) in Polish, then give the Polish title (to which you're welcome to add an English translation). (2) You've cited Ukrayinska Pravda as plain "Pravda", which of course usually means something quite different. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

General help about an article

Hello! I'm actually a veteran Wikipedia-n user but I mostly deal with the technical part and haven't spend much time dealing with the small details in regard to article creation, their progress to good articles, etc. Today I was reading this article and given that I enjoy that singer I got curious to see its talk page. There I saw this template that among other things said: Aurelio Voltaire was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. The only problem is that there is nothing below in regard to that. What is that template referring to? That talk page is also missing its archive. The edit summary in this edit reads archiving all 2006-2008 discussions (there don't seem to be any from 2010-2011) but it looks like with "archiving" it was actually meant just plain "deleting". (Is that a normal thing to do?) Maybe there used to be some suggestions which also got deleted and now that template doesn't make sense? Maybe that template has problems? Maybe I'm misunderstanding its meaning? As I'm said, I'm rather unfamiliar with these details about articles so I thought I'd start by asking here. Thank you in advance to whoever can provide some insight! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Good catch, Klein Muçi! You were right, it was wrong; I think and hope that I've now fixed matters; however, do please check this, as I am a bit too distracted now with other, WP-irrelevant matters to be able to concentrate. The GA-delisting discussion took place in archive 3. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, ah so the archives were still in the old name. I see. But I'm still confused: What is that template referring to with There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. ? Below it is nothing. Or is it a general template that assumes that undoubtedly there will be discussions below it that would lead you in the right direction (but unfortunately this article is missing them)? - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, good guesses. What you've italicized above should be interpreted as something like There ought to have been suggestions below for improving the article so that it would meet the "Good Article" criteria." There might not have been suggestions; and even if there were any, then since they were posted below they might have been shunted off to the/an archive of this talk page. Yes, en:Wikipedia can be a bit messy. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevantly, Klein Muçi, do you think that Draft:Gazeta e pavarur can be augmented? (It currently says so little.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, maybe I should go and change it then. Simply implementing a single word as "maybe" somewhere in that sentence can help make things less confusing. As for the draft you mentioned, it can definitely be improved but I'm not sure if it should be accepted or not. It says that it is the largest (? - What would that really mean for a newspaper? A more suitable English word can be found I guess.) newspaper in Albania even though it is a North Macedonian newspaper only created recently? I live in Albania and unfortunately I've never heard of it. (Maybe because of its very common name?) This may of course also come because I'm not really informed on newspapers so my words should be taken with quite some salt. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, like so many en:Wikipedia articles, Aurelio Voltaire is poor. Note for a start the way in which it blathers on about his name. There are people whose names merit explanation (example); but this article fails to suggest to me that there's any good reason to doubt that his full name is Aurelio Voltaire Hernández (for legal and other formal purposes) and that his working name is Aurelio Voltaire. If this is indeed so, then it's an orthodox name, fitting the standard Cuban pattern. Compare the article Raúl Castro, for which a simple headnote suffices: "In this Spanish name, the first or paternal surname is Castro and the second or maternal family name is Ruz." And that's just the start of the article on Voltaire; some of what follows is worse. (Try for example the paragraph starting [badly] "In mid-2013, Voltaire had written a novel called 'Call of the Jersey Devil' which is available on Amazon.") What I find extraordinary is that this thing was ever a "Good Article". You're very welcome to improve it (and to ignore the unrelated Draft:Gazeta e pavarur). -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, I do share the same viewpoints with you unfortunately. (The "example" was very interesting.) I'm a big fan of the said artist and following his career and personal life (he has a videoblog on his YouTube channel where he often talks about personal details, among other things) for many years I can confirm that most details are correct even though the overall semantics can be improved and also updated (for example, if I'm not wrong, he has published another book lately, currently not listed there). I may consider working on it on the near future. Thank you for your help and guidance!

I also opened this discussion about the template on the talk page if you're interested in following. - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it ok to copy paste an article from the french wikipedia

Is it ok to copy paste an article from fr.wikipedia.org (webpage : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Joseph_Alexis_de_Noailles), which about a french politician, translated? Tacomelon (talk) 04:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Tacomelon, by "copy paste an article [...] translated", do you mean "translate an article"? -- Hoary (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

If, by that you mean to translate an article, to create a new one in english, then yes. Tacomelon (talk) 07:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tacomelon, guidance at Wikipedia:Translation, there are RULES. First, decide if you think your politician meets the en-WP demands at WP:BASIC. If so, continue per the translation guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Calling newbies: Like toys? Want to try referencing?

I've just come across the article Solar-powered watch. It's a short article and (putting aside their quality for a moment) it has five discrete references. Not obviously bad. But then one notices that (still putting aside their quality) the references all support the claim that Orient makes solar-powered watches. Nothing else in the article is referenced. (I wish I could say that this 17-year-old article's lack of referencing makes it a freak, but this would be untrue.)

Well, if you're looking for an article that merits improvement, here you go.

Notes:

1. All five of the references are to the same website; five of them are no better than one would be, and anyway the website is rather a feeble source.
2. An extraordinarily high percentage of what can easily be found on the web about wristwatches is promotional bullshit. Look for reliable sources!

Good luck with this (and if I like what I see, I'll upload a photo of a Ricoh Elemex example). -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I've had a go of this, struggling to find anything about them being popular with kids in the 80s though. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Definitely an improvement already, Notcharizard. Thank you. But, as I'm sure you realize, some way to go.... Hoary (talk) 12:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ghosty(producer)

Hey I recently wrote the article on the subject above (Ghosty) on The English Wikipedia about 3 days ago and it has been stalled on its review and it's indexing. I created the disambiguation a few days later and that was reviewed and patrolled. May an admin and or a patroller please review it.

M XR98 (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm curious. Why does that article use American date format? - X201 (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

The dates were mainly in dmy format but a few were mdy. I've standardised on dmy as the subject is British, and tagged the article accordingly. Neiltonks (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is providing a summary on your contributions required? (alternative title: What do I do with a case like this?)

So let's say a user does 743 contributions across about a month (technically it's an IP range, but the pattern is so similar there's no distinction), and of these contributions:

- some remove internal wiki links for pages that don't exist (1);
- others add interlinks to pages that do exist (2);

- some change the interlink from one that redirects there to the final one (3, 4, 5, 6);

- some fix things (7, 8);
- or just change the style (9, 10, 11, 12);
- or add helpful page links (13, 14);
- or change anchor links that don't exist anymore to just a link to the page (15);

- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (16, 17);

- one removes a non existent parameter (I think?) from an infobox and adds an existing one (18);

- one adds an end date to a marriage (due to death) and helpfully adds a relative that was missing from the infobox (19);
- another ignores editor comments, removes it and does exactly what the comment asked not to do (20);
- some more add an end date to a marriage due to death (21, 22)

- another removes redundant (I guess) information from infobox (23);
- others add information from the article to the infobox (24, 25);

- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (26, 27);
- some ignore editor comments and even remove them to do exactly what they asked not to do (28);

- some delete stuff for who knows what reason (29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35);

- one adds the display size of the image set to (supposedly) the default (36);
- some do multiple of the above at once (37^{(deletes names, marriage end)}, 38^{(enforced default image size, adds missing relative, some infobox sorcery I don't understand)}, );

- and finally some do things that I don't really see what effect it had (39, 40)

I was (and still am) very much tempted to invest the time categorizing every one of the 743 contributions, but for now I just picked contributions at random.

So yeah, the range Special:Contributions/2405:204:3020:A2B5:BD4E::/64 is doing that, and not a single one of their 743 contributions has a summary that isn't just the automatic ones with the section they edited...
Like, is that okay to do? I get that that's a lot of contributions, some good some seemingly bad (no idea on the percentage though since categorizing all 743 of them is daunting and probably not a short process), but at the same time they're all minor changes and they're so varied that that if there's at least one person in each page that doesn't like the contributions they can revert it (and unless the contributions got buried they would be pretty easy to revert if noticed).

So more concise questions:

1. Is not typing a summary for each change disruptive (in this scale)?
2. Is this (very likely one) user being disruptive enough to warrant reporting? And if so, how would one report someone like that?
3. Which specifically of the behaviours I listed is a no-no that I should immediately revert if I see?

And honestly I posted this because I'm not sure what to do about this IP range and editing behaviour at all, and I'm half-hoping someone will know exactly what to do and maybe will even handle it so that I don't commit hours to comb through all of their contributions sorting the good and the bad into a neat timeline grouped by IPs to make a report(when I find the courage).
But really just some advice would be fine and this felt like the best place to ask. Thank you for your time. 2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750 (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750, and welcome to the Teahouse. Per WP:ES, leaving an edit summary is not required, but is strongly recommended. Not typing an edit summary is not disruptive, but will impede communication and might trigger some unintended responses (e.g.: someone thinks it is unexplained content removal). I don't think this user received a final warning; if they did and they disrupted past the final warning, then you can report them to WP:AIV. If you still think this user is problematic, report them to WP:ANI. To answer your final question, though, I would only suggest immediate reversion of the unexplained removal of sourced content—it doesn't look like this user has vandalized Wikipedia yet.

Also, just some technological advice: typically, one person has access to an entire /64 CIDR range (in this case 2405:204:3020:A2B5::/64). This might be why they are making the exact same contributions—the whole range is that one person. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't seem that they've ever been disruptive enough to get warned 4 times, they've really only been warned once, and info-warned 3 times: info1^{(10th of March)}, info2&warn1^{(14th of March)} and info3^{(4th of April)}.

It does look like they are being helpful, even if sometimes they seem to enforce the style they're going for even with editor warnings asking not to 😅.

As to the /64 range (for IPv6 at least) commonly being accessible to one person, I did notice that (specially when I made this AIV Report, it was really obvious then).

Also I've noticed that you don't really need to remove part of the IP, you can just tack /64 at the end of the contributions link and it works just the same, more convenient.

But really these answers do help a lot, it convinced me that there's no point in combing through their contributions and no problem in letting things happen naturally (with this user), which is great.
Thank you. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:44CA:6E00:BBE0:33A (talk) 00:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Info from another country Wikipedia

Hi there! Is it OK to use some info from another Wiki? I mean if I use some info I found in Korean Wikipedia is it OK? And if I do I guess I have to use it as a reference?

Thanks. Fisforfenia (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Referencing other Wikipedias isn't a good idea for the same reason teachers tell you not to use Wikipedia as a source in assignments: they're edited by anyone and therefore are not reliable sources per Wikipedia:User-generated content. However, if the information in the Korean Wikipedia is cited to a reliable source, you should just cite that reliable source instead - and if the sentence/prose you use is derivative of the Korean prose, see Help:Translation for attribution stuff. casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia sorry, forgot to tag! casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Horizotal Gif Creation

Hi, I would like to find out how to create a group of horizontal gif's on wikicommons; having about four images and creating a horizontal gif moving from left to right or how do can I get gif images on climate or human right and how can I make this gif's move from left to right on wikimedia commons. I will be using the gif's on this meta-page (Wiki-Green Con) -> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki-Green_Conference. Jwale2 (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2, PLEASE don't put moving images in an article. It is very distracting for many people, and in my opinion, makes the article harder to read. My eyes and brain will thank you. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Missing information

My father is on here, John Standing, and I nearly lost the will to live after my mother died in trying to update her information and just noticed that he has a grandchild, William Edward Leon, missing...who is now 20 years old! How does this kind of information get added without going through yet more multiple hoops. Best Alexander.John Standing Ajl12no (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ajl12no—I'd suggest reading WP:GNG to see if Mr. Leon is notable enough to be added into the article. Also, if you think there is any sensitive information here, please read WP:BIOSELF for further assistance since you are a son of the subject in question. Finally, since your father passes GNG, that is why he is on Wikipedia. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you 3PPYB6 (like a droid out of Star Wars)! With all of the Acronyms lurking and endless complex and mostly unintelligible instructions, this is Chinese to me. In Plain English, who or what do I contact to get information updated? Wikipedia is simply far too complex for an average computer user like me. Thank you again, Best C3PO. 85.255.236.85 (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

In plain English, Alexander, because of your conflict of interest you should not directly edit the article about your father, but you are welcome to make edit requests on the article's talk page (see that link for the details of how you do this). Note the following:

• if you are asking to add or change information, the information you want to add must have been published somewhere, and it simplifies things if you cite where it is published. Information from your personal knowledge or from unpublished papers may not be used in Wikipedia. It is preferable if the published source is independent of your father, but for certain kinds of information, non-independent sources are acceptable
• If you are asking to remove information (or replace it with other information) then if the information you are wanting to remove is not cited to a published source, there is no problem. But if it is cited to a source that appears on the face of it to be reliably published, then there may be a problem, and you would need to provide (at least) another published source which gave the different information. The standard for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.
• If you make an edit request, there may be a delay before a volunteer gets round to looking at it. When they do, they might make the edit exactly as your have requested, they might reject your request (they should give you a reason if they do that) or they might decide to apply your request with some modifications. Of course you are free to discuss this with them, but in the end articles are determined by consensus and neither you nor your father have any special rights to control what is in the article about him.

I hope that clarifies things for you. ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Ajl12no: Presumably after you started this thread, Theroadislong has removed quite a lot of "personal life" material. I agree with most of the removal, because Wikipedia is selective about the information it presents. The part about "voiced M in a James Bond radio drama" should probably be reinstated if there is a source for it.

The original complaint still has a point - if personal life details are included, the level of detail should be consistent - we should certainly mention grandchildren if we mention the marriage of his half-sister (!). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Lua error

On the page Colorado State Highway 12, there is a Lua error in the table in the section called Major intersections. I lack the ability to fix this and wanted to bring it to your attention. With best wishes, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC).

Hello, Jeffrey, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not seeing any problem in that article. What device and browser are you looking at it on? Do you see the problem on other devices? (It's possible that something distant from the article was broken and has now been fixed. I don't see any messages at WP:VPT that sound like this though). ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

The error has somehow disappeared. Thanks for checking. Sincerely, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC).

Resurrecting a section of text

Further to my queries about a "missing editor" on 5th April. As, so far, I have been unable to contact the editor who deleted my contribution to Direction finding I wish to reinsert the section on "Microwave DF" back into it. Can I press "undo" on the appropriate line in "View history" on (31st August 2021) to do this, or should I insert the section again anew? This may get it deleted again, but it will at least it will flush out the editor involved. What do you think? Please advise. D1ofBerks (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@D1ofBerks: I haven't looked into this matter very deeply, but undoing the edit that reverted your addition won't work (there have been too many intervening edits since then). Your addition was very large and may startle regular editors of the article if you just readd it. It would probably be best to copy the material into a sandbox in your user space, then leave a note on Talk:Direction finding, directing editors to that sandbox and asking whether they think it suitable for addition to the article. If the consensus supports the addition, you can readd it then. Deor (talk) 17:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou D1ofBerks (talk) 10:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I nominate an article for deletion?

I came across this old stub that I really do not feel passes as notable—Pacific Union Club Punch—how do I nominate an article for deletion? Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 16:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. You can use Twinkle for easier deletion nominations. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixing Articles Written Like Advertisements

Hello, Wikipedians. I'm trying to fix some of the "suggested edit" articles on my homepage. Almost all of them are listed as needing basic copyediting, which I know how to do, but a significant amount (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.) specifically need to be rephrased to not sound like advertisements. I've read through the MOS and some of the policy pages for help, but I still don't fully understand how I could rephrase them, and other articles, to be less like advertisements. Any specific advice? SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@SkronklyScrimblo: Greetings, and thanks for stopping by! Sometimes, these tags are invalid, either because the problems have been fixed, or because they really didn't apply in the first place. Your first example, Pretty Pet Salon, doesn't seem to suffer from problematic tone, so I went and just removed the tag. It had been in the article for nine years, and whatever state it was in when it was added (maybe it needed to be tagged, maybe not, who knows?) it certainly doesn't look applicable now. So I just removed it. The second looks similarly mistagged. I haven't looked at the others, but I find that the "advert" tag is often mis-added by some people who think that any article about a commercial entity or product is an advertisement, and tend to "tag bomb" such articles. In general, the "advert" tag should be used only in articles where the tone of the text looks like "ad copy", or otherwise is promotional, using lots of "purple prose" and the like. The first two articles I looked at in your list don't seem to have such a problem. Wikipedia:Identifying blatant advertising is an essay about identifying advertisements masquerading as articles if you want to read some more. --Jayron32 16:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jayron32 Alright, thank you for the fast and detailed response! Have a nice day, I'll keep this in mind when doing those copyedits from now on. SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Some of those advertisement tags were placed a long time ago, so they've likely been cleaned up substantially already. But there are still some things to look out for. For example, in the Pet Salon one, in pioneering title in the "Pretty Pet" series of apps, "pioneering" has a bit of subjective puffery built in to that word, and is sourced to a press release. In the Men of War article, this sentence: Two new, story-driven campaigns are added along with new features like the Vietnamese jungle and Cold War weaponry of early 1968. The use of the word "new" here twice is not necessary and seems to "puff up" the game, rather than just describe it, and may showcase some unnecessary details. I might rephrase to: Two story-driven campaigns were added along with additional locales and weaponry. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Banning ("Blocking") a New User Within 40 Minutes of the ANI (Aministrator's Noticeboard Incident)

How common is this? I found this alarming. Shouldn't I? I do not believe that the banned user so much as had a chance to be informed of the "ANI?" Doesn't this seem rather perfunctory? Thanks in advance. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. If you have a grievance with an administrator action, please bring it to WP:ANI. This board is not for that sort of discussion. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no grievance. Sincerely.

Thanks for the "answer" but I just want to know - how common was this?

69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is a curious line of questions if you have no grievance. Blocking users in general is not what I would say is common, but administrators have a duty to stop disruption to this project, sometimes quickly. The user was informed. 331dot (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I was not referring to any specific user. What is the timeframe of an ANI instigation, the action taken, and the time that the accused user within that ANI's focus is informed? Can it be only several minutes, indeed? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, in any case, I guess this is kind of getting to the point of beating a dead horse. So, if this happens, it is abnormally hasty, and normally, your reply suggests, that it is uncommon. Thank you so very much for the astute reply. Keep up the good work. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Speaking as an administrator, I routinely block disruptive editors quite rapidly. There is no need for lengthy discussion in clearcut cases. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

So. We have a position that is it's quite rare, and your position is that it can be very routine? It can be "normal" to ban a user account even before the ANI topic has been posted more than an hour? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 21:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

There exist AN/I threads that are just that straightforward, and those ones generally tend to get acted on within the hour. More involved threads, however, are unlikely to see rapid action (or if they do, there's a fair chance the administrative action may be overturned if consensus is that the action was not needed). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

That being said - as far as Wikipedia is concerned, blocks and bans are different. Blocks can be unilaterally overturned (provided the blocked user has a decent argument for why the disruption won't continue) while bans require either a community discussion or elevated responce to overturn. Bans can also be applied without a block, such as with topic-bans. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Very good. It appears that (to me at least) not only am I quite a novice at this stuff, and that contributes to my confusion, that there are more complexities involved here than can be explained in a few paragraphs. I only hope that we all can be open minded and fair, and to not confuse ideological differences with overt mischief and conflate a conflicting position with online vandalism. That is my hope. I see that if a user continually is posting obscenities and silly nonsense on random pages it might be reason for very swift action, on that I do see justification. I think that freedom of speech should be one of the tenants here though, with the recognition that "freedom" of speech is not the same as "frivolity" of speech. I admit I did see a case of very swift action, against a user, who it seemed to me was not being frivolous, but did have an outlying perspective. That is beyond, at least currently, my understanding, at this point in time. Which is why I posted the question above! Thanks to all for your forbearance and patience. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

See WP:NOTAFORUM, as this "general" question seems to have some very specific subtext to it. Free Speech is a constitutional contract between government and people, it does not apply to Wikipedia or any website. Talk pages are for discussions about article content, not a place for people to express their views on a particular subject. So if an editor is disruptive, then yes a block will come quickly to prevent such disruption and an unblock can come just as quickly if they acknowledge the issue and resolve to not do it again.22:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing autoconfirmed from my account

I would like to know if it's possible for administrators to remove the autoconfirmed permission. I requested that all my permissions be removed, but they didn't take out the autoconfirmed. I would like to know if administrators are allowed to remove the autoconfirmed permission. Interstellarity (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! AFAIK, no. They can't. But, why do you want it be removed anyways? There other ways as well, I think, that can help you with your purpose. Regards.Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 17:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Lightbluerain,

The reason I want autoconfirmed to be removed is because I'm not going to use it. That's why I asked for my other rights to be removed as well since my activity has decreased at this point. Interstellarity (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Do archives have a shelf-life? Are they forever or do they disappear eventually?

Archives can save so much time when it comes to content disputes and I want to know if they ever get deleted. Is it possible to keep them somehow if they do? DN (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Darknipples They are generally meant to be forever. Some of WP:s earliest edits are lost I'm told, and editors don't have to archive their own talkpage stuff, or can archive selectively. But if so, the page edithistory remains anyway. Sites like archive.org may have versions too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

YAY question answered! THANK YOU!!! DN (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving Ru:wiki pictures onto Commons to expand 25th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade

Dear all, after the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has begun I have been sporadically filling in some of the remaining Russian units without articles, today creating 25th Guards MRB. Its predecessor unit the ru:13-й гвардейский стрелковый полк has a number of interesting photos on its Ruwiki page but they are not hosted on Commons - they're on Ruwiki. Does anyone know anyone who could advise on moving them to Commons so they could be added to other language Wikipedias? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Buckshot06: You will first need to ascertain the copyright status of the images. If they are in the public domain, or licensed properly (99% of the time, that means CC BY-SA or a less restrictive CC license), then you can move them to Commons. Otherwise, you cannot (Commons only accepts free images), but you may be able to transfer them locally (to en-wp, and possibly other languages) after checking the local policy for non-free images (for en-wp, that is WP:NFCC, other Wikipedias differ, for instance IIRC de-wp accepts no non-copyright-free images whatsoever).

For how to do it: Special:Upload for a local (en-wp) upload of non-free images, commons:Special:UploadWizard for a global (Commons) upload of free images.

If you have a question about a particular image, feel free to post a follow-up with a link to the exact picture and if possible the date it was taken etc. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new page if I have a conflict of interest

Hi, I would like to create a page for Francesco Petruccione. I have a lot of knowledge on him and his work, therefore I would be able to obtain and publish a lot of content on him. But once that is started, I would like other members of the Wikipedia community to elaborate the page with more detail. It is in the public interest of the Quantum Machine Learning community to have information on Francesco Petruccione in Wikipedia. How do I go about doing that ethically and correctly? Please advise. Many thanks, warm regards, Rene Kotze NITheCS (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2. NITheCS (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2.

I've answered you at the Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time. 331dot (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing

Hi, I'm new here and I have one question about editing articules:

Can I edit them only in english?

Thanks for help <3 LupusAtram (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

LupusAtram Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As this is the English Wikipedia, edits need to be in English(unless there are some specific cirucmstances necessating something else). There are versions of Wikipedia in many lanugages, if your preference is (or you simply desire) to edit in other languages. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@LupusAtram: although English WP must be written in English, and so you must generally edit in English, it doesn't have to be grammatically perfect English. Editors who are fluent in a foreign language are a great asset to English WP even if their own English is a little wobbly, because they can understand the nuances of sources in their own language, and search for sources that a purely English-speaking editor would never find. Also, if you are yourself fluent in English but want to use your skills in other languages within English WP, there is always a need for good translators to translate articles from other Wikipedias that we lack (provided, of course, that they meet English WP's standards). Elemimele (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with References

My wiki: Draft:WRBL-FM So I need help makeing References list on Wikipedia page 2600:6C40:5700:EE91:E919:1E35:B2F3:455C (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Read other radio station articles. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, IP editor! Have you taken a look at referencing for beginners? Bsoyka (talk) 20:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me?
Please do not ever give this sort of response to anyone, you failed to welcome them, you failed to tell them that you appreciate the fact that they are asking questions, your reply was dismissive and sounded passive aggressive, I’m not sure I’m seeing you as an official host, please you can either choose to be very polite at Teahouse or refrain from answering questions there if you cannot be polite, Nick Moyes, 331dot & Cullen328 toil very hard to see that the Teahouse is the friendliest place a newbie can come and feel loved and appreciated answers like the one you gave is very much counter productive. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007It was helpful hint. Take a break. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

VentureWiki's edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers look like vandalism

Special:Contributions/VentureWiki edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers need review. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, 0mtwb9gd5wx! This isn't really the place to take that; perhaps talk to them on their talk page first? Bsoyka (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like vandalism. ....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx, the edits did indeed need review, and they were rightly reverted. But how did they look like vandalism? -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, Bsoyka, there may be a better word than vandalism, I just meant it looked like something that may need to be reverted. Raw links were suprising:

• https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIN6UXCk9iqkMA9BsM34lQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1649375895/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.corshamcivicsociety.co.uk%2fcharles-dickens-pickwick-and-the-pickwick-papers%2f/RK=2/RS=85AeqTs_C1xLWnxjqRI1lTTzfV4-
• https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrINmDGBU9i3CAAOQIM34lQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1649374791/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.museums.norfolk.gov.uk%2fcollections%2ffeatures%2fseahenge%2fholme-ii/RK=2/RS=sj2inMsdSlkoAiVXr2YkJT5_LEk-

....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 23:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx, please remember that "vandalism" imputes malicious intent. I suspect malicious intent fairly often, and even then I hesitate before calling it "vandalism": I first need to be pretty sure of malicious intent. Here, I don't even start to suspect malicious intent. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Recovered sandbox edits

Hello! I have been editing in the sandbox but my computer crashed and now none of the edits I made are showing up. Is there a way to recover this work through version history? Thank you! Mmmccorm (talk) 01:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse; I doubt it, but a good tip is to copy/paste the editing pane contents up to a cloud - I use a draft webmail, then it's available to any device. I too have lost stuff.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (I am not a Teahouser).

@Mmmccorm it depends on if you saved what you were working on before your computer crashed. I just checked my own sandbox. I always work on edits in a separate offline computer document before adding changes to an article, and only copy it to my sandbox if I want to make sure my formatting is correct. To investigate your question I looked at my own sandbox history, and only work that I saved in order to briefly keep it in my sandbox shows up in my edit history. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I create a new article about a YouTuber?

I want to create a page/article on q YouTuber but don't know how Nascar rules (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar rules: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you are a newcomer, I strongly going through the interactive tutorial and editing existing articles before trying to create an article, as that is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. When you feel ready, take a look at Your first article and make sure you have enough reliable sources to establish the subject's notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar rules, Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The vast majority of "YouTubers" do not merit articles, as they do not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The number of followers that they have is irrelevant towards this. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving a page

Hi Wikipedians! I want to move the page Munawar Sultana to Munawar Sultana (actress) to disambiguate it from Munawar Sultana (singer), but I am unable to do so. According to move log, someone had moved the page "without leaving a redirect". I couldn't understand what happened there. Can somebody guide me on this? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Insight 3, maybe you could try to request a move. Kpddg ^(talk) 04:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Insight 3: Before you request a move, make sure, that the current Sultana is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC though. If she is, then the correct way is to place a WP:HATNOTE in the existing article (which I now did for the time being). See WP:ONEOTHER for details. Regards SoWhy 07:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Insight 3, I was just about to add a disambiguating hatnote to the article on the actor when I noticed that SoWhy had already done so. I don't think that any further action would be helpful. On the matter of primary topic, compare:

• Munawar Sultana: page views in last 30 days, 949; length 16856 bytes; page watchers 5
• Munawar Sultana (singer): page views in last 30 days, 98; length 6551 bytes; page watchers 1

-- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks guys! I think the hatnote is sufficient. Moving the page is not that necessary to go for a technical request. Insight 3 (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

about my article you declined

hello dear i want to oknow why you declined my article and what should i need ? more references ? so i need articles on media ? should i be coverage ? Xpertig (talk) 08:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Xpertig:, have you read the text that says why Draft:Dolama Alzain was declined? You need to show that this person is "notable", which means (in Wikipedia jargon) there are sources which are simultaneously (1) reliable (random blogs don’t count), (2) independent of the subject (interviews, promotional materials etc. don’t count) and (3) deal with the subject at length (entries in music catalogs don’t count). 99% of the time, such sources are newspaper articles, yes, but not all newspaper articles qualify. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xpertig, assuming this is about Draft:Dolama Alzain. See WP:BASIC and WP:BLP. Neither Anghami or Medium (website) helps the argument for WP:N, you need better independent WP:RS about him. Also, don't include biographical info you can't cite. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xpertig Also, you uploaded the image of him as "own work". Did you take it yourself with your own camera, or did you just find it online and uploaded it as "own work" anyway? WP takes copyright seriously. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, Xpertig, the text says he's "a Palestinian filmmaker and writer" (no mention of music), whereas the infobox says that his genres are "Arabic music" (no mention of filmmaking). -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit Company Page

Hello, I am working with Actis Capital and we would like to update the corporate page, as the information currently displayed is out of date and incorrect. Could you please advise on the best way for us to do so. Georgia10c (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Georgia10c Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing you must do is make a formal paid editing declaration on your user page, please see WP:PAID for instructions and more information.

Your company does not have a "corporate page" here, there is a Wikipedia article about your company. You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Preferably they should be sourced to an independent reliable source as Wikipedia is primarily interested in what others say about your company, not what it says about itself(except for certain factual information where primary sources are acceptable). 331dot (talk) 09:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find sources for old stats?

Like in Languedoc-Roussillon, there's a line that says "Catholicism is the most represented religion in the region" or that "By 2020, the number of people aged over 75 is expected to increase by 12% across the region". These are simply based on the translation from its French version, couldn't find any sources. Where to find? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If you don't get a good answer here, consider asking at fr-WP. And there's the reference desk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

You might plonk the template {{Référence nécessaire}} (or one of the others described within Aide:Référence nécessaire) immediately after any unreferenced assertion (or rather any that, if verifiable, would be of interest and worth adding to the English article), and see if anyone provides a reference; if they did, of course you could then look up the reference. -- Hoary (talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Can I add an image to a draft?

I want to know if I can upload an image to a draft I'm creating. If so, how? MikeTimesONE (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If we're talking about Draft:Midnight Society (game studio) adding an image won't stop a fourth "Submission declined" notice. The answer to your question is that it depends what image you want to add. We need to know that before we can give you a full answer. - X201 (talk) 11:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I want to add an image of the studio's logo. MikeTimesONE (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that the logo surpasses the threshold of originality, it could only be uploaded for fair use within this or that specified article. It's not possible to claim fair use within a draft. Therefore: Simply, forget about it for now. -- Hoary (talk) 11:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@MikeTimesONE If/when the draft is accepted, upload it here:[4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing separate quotes of the same source material

Hello! I haven't seen an article that has this situation, but I'm curious how Wikipedia will handle it. For example, I have a single source material that says this:

The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.

If I want to cite in an article this source material for both the quotes The sun is pretty big and The sun is also quite hot, what would the reftags look like? LightNightLights ^(talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If they're quotes, they need (it needs) to go in quotation marks. "The sun is pretty big [and] is also quite hot."[single reference] Or "The sun is pretty big."[reference] [intervening text] "The sun is also quite hot."[repetition of the same reference]. -- Hoary (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I meant "quotes" as quote= parameters of a citation template (e.g. {{Cite news}}). Assuming that the usages for these sentences (The sun pretty big., The sun is also pretty hot.) are distant from each other and that I want the <ref>-tags next to them to have different quote= parameters but also want them to point to the same source material (in this case, something like Miller, Edward. The Sun. Academic Press, 2005, p. 1.), what would those <ref>-tags look like? LightNightLights ^(talk) 11:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I understand what you're asking for, LightNightLights. Unfortunately I don't know how to achieve it. But the denizens of Help talk:Citation Style 1 will know if it's possible, and, if it is, then how. -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. LightNightLights ^(talk) 12:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• @LightNightLights: Does Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations (and the things it links to) answer your question? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

  From the page you linked, I stumbled upon the page for short citations, which I frankly didn't stumble upon when I was reading WP:CITE. The only problem is that the example given there talks about different pages of a full source, not different sentences/quotes of one. Borrowing from that page, however, would citations in this format be proper short citations? If not, what would be?

  Miller, 2005, p. 23, "The Sun is pretty big."

  Miller, 2005, p. 34, "The Sun is also quite hot."

  LightNightLights ^(talk) 13:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (edited LightNightLights ^(talk) 13:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC))

Help with Special Notes

In a article I'm translating, there's a specific distinction between two similarly named things that would be awkward to mention outright in the article but also needs clarification for most English-speaking readers. I've decided to include a note, as a footnote, and optimally when hovering over it, the text will show, as it does for references. However, I also want the label on the brackets to not be a number and instead be a string. Is this possible? And is it possible to separate this note from the reference list?

Also, is it possible to include internal links within notes?

TypistMonkey (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@TypistMonkey: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think what you're looking for is explanatory notes, and yes, wikilinks can be used in them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that does seem to be what I'm looking for. Do you know where I could find any articles that use them? I'm having trouble formatting them in. TypistMonkey (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@TypistMonkey: American Revolutionary War has a Notes section that makes ample use of wikilinks in the efns (explanatory footnotes). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Microsoft Teams

Add a picture of the Teams for Classroom 2603:7080:7403:18F0:9415:1C24:24DE:6CB9 (talk) 13:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia: the best place to make a suggestion for improving an article is on that article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Microsoft Teams. However, the fact that all editors are volunteers who work on what they choose means that a suggestion like yours probably won't get taken up unless it happens to catch the interest of an editor. Also, adding pictures is a bit tricky, because of copyright: screenshots of proprietary software are almost always copyright, and can only be used in Wikipedia in very limited circumstances. ColinFine (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

From sandbox to draft file

Is there a way to move my sandbox into a draft file with the references fast? Because when I copy the sandbox, the links are there but not the references.

Thank you. Fisforfenia (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia: User sandboxes can be submitted to AfC just like drafts. That being said, I have moved User:Fisforfenia/sandbox to Draft:Lee Seung-joo for you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Censorship

I have updated a page, receives a message that said I was writing misinformation. I have a screenshot of before and after , and this shows leftist censorship. Jimmymac2019 (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jimmymac2019: You called some protesters "racist" and "ANTIFA" with no reliable source for such characterizations. The whole of the paragraph you edited has now been removed from the article, since it lacked any sourcing. See WP:V and WP:RS; Wikipedia requires citation of reliable sources for any statements in its articles, and doing so is not "leftist censorship". Deor (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, the warning you received says that your edit "did not appear constructive", not that it involved "writing misinformation". Deor (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Jimmymac2019 and welcome to the Teahouse. Along with @Deor above I would say that the editors that have had interactions with you have been quite cordial, civil and informative. I would ask that you do the same when discussing issues with us and not exaggerate or conflate the situation more than it needs to be. I would recommend hanging back and observing how others edit here, pick an editor that has been doing it for a while, then familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies by reading them. Here are a few to get you started WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:YFA, WP:COI among many, many others. I would also recommend going through the Wikipedia Adventure if you are serious about wanting to edit here. Information added that is not supported by reliable independent secondary sources may be removed at any time. That's not censorship, that's policy. I hope this helps and good luck! --ARoseWolf 16:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why or how can I access my aol mail?

Its been several weeks since I have not been able to access aol mail. My search has taken me though Wikipdia and other sources with no success 2604:CB00:1F32:3600:B46B:2487:395B:E47B (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Unfortunately this is something we cannot help you with at Wikipedia; you should contact AOL support for issues like this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct usage of sandbox

Can I create a sandbox as a subset of an article talk page? Or does it have to occur on my own sandbox? I am trying to 'prototype' an update to a section and it was suggested that I use a sandbox. An example would be helpful if editors have one at the ready. Thanks SmolBrane (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SmolBrane There is no sandbox associated with individual articles, so you have to use either your own or the free-for-all at WP:Sandbox (which I don't recommend as it gets cleared out very frequently). Of course, if you have a minor suggestion for an article change that you want others to comment on, you could just edit into the Talk Page of the article to show your idea. That's the principle that's used when people make edit requests on articles that are locked to them, e.g. articles that new editors or IP editors can't directly edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks. SmolBrane (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask?

Hello, where would I go in order to make an edit request on something (that I assume is) managed by administrators? Specifically I was going to make a suggestions for the "wikilove" when you press the little heart on someone's user page. I doesn't seem to be based on a template. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 16:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: I assume there's likely some MediaWiki code behind it all hidden away somewhere, but I wouldn't know exactly. Perhaps ask this at WP:VPT; more likely to get an answer for technical things there than here. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: You're probably going to want to go to mw:Talk:WikiLove for that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Cheers both, much appreciated! -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 17:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU DELETE MY EDIT

I MADE IT BETTER AND THATS A FACT Uyuhnhiu (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Uyuhnhiu: Whoa! Take it down a notch, buddy. No one likely reading this deleted your edit. Also, please don't type in all caps unless you intend to be seen as shouting, it's very rude. You've made three edits to articles, this one here which looks like you're just goofing around, this one here, where you added some personal commentary to the article, and This one here, where YOU deleted a bunch of text with no explanation. Wikipedia is a serious project, and I would advise that you stop playing games quickly. If you want to edit articles and genuinely help, please start doing that, but if you continue to play games, you may be blocked from editing further. --Jayron32 16:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

hey

mind if you make my page official (Regular Show '22 draft page) Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 17:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)