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@Akevsharma I have seen a draft on Indian musician K. N. Shashikiran with great content, kindly approve it Avbns (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Hello Avbns, the draft is not submitted for the review. Drafts are reviewed by AfC reviewers and there's no need to ping individual editors once you submit it for the review. Ratekreel (talk) 06:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Avbns it also makes sense not to submit it until it is ready for publication. Although it now has references, I suspect it will still get rejected. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. It is a dry and neutral site giving only information about people that can be found in sources that were not written at the behest of the subject of the article, that are not press-releases or promotional interviews; in fact anything from an interview is treated as very suspect. At the moment, this article reads like a fan-site, and it contains unsupported statements such as "He has won innumerable prizes and accolades for his prodigious talents and work for the promotion of Indian Culture through Carnatic Music". This simply won't pass muster. We cannot write "prodigious talents" unless we are quoting a secondary source, and unless the secondary source actually said it without the least prompting. The best you can do for the article at the moment is search for really good neutral sources, and remove some of the puffery. The awards section also doesn't bear scrutiny. If you start looking at these awards, many of them seem extremely difficult to trace, and possibly far from notable. The only awards relevant here are things that cannot be bought, can be proven to exist, and that carry real weight. I recommend that you try looking at the Jaycees one, for example, to start to see the problems: it's mis-spelled in the unconvincing source, Google produces no hits that aren't the product of the subject of the article, and the wiki-linked organisation doesn't seem to have anything to do with it??? 79.64.7.76 (talk) 14:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Article for approval

@KylieTastic I've seen a draft on K. N. Shashikiran with great content, please approve it. Avbns (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) sock of Sreeja Addala

Discussion on the draft K. N. Shashikiran

@Akevsharma@KylieTastic and everyone else, I have made edits to my draft and published it again and there has been no discussion about it since then. My request to kindly check it again and let me know.

Regards,

@Sreeja Addala Sreeja Addala (talk) 06:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

You have made one (admittedly sustantial) edit since the draft was last declined, and nobody has resubmitted it for review. Whole sections of the draft are unreferenced. This is not acceptable in a biography of living persons. There are also many external references in the text, which is not permitted: see WP:EL. ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Unbold everything except the initial bolding of his name. Reference everything. If cannot be referenced, remove. Delete all non-significant awards. Delete most of the images. Cut the article length by half, including all the famous name-mentions (notability is not contagious). David notMD (talk) 09:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Sreeja Addala blocked for three weeks for having created sockpuppet Avbns as a means of lauding the draft and promoting it to be accepted. Not cricket. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I predict that the editor mislabeled the image as "own work"; it looks like a professionally-done studio portrait (but it could be own work). is there a place at Commons to mention this, or do these always get found? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 03:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Good catch. "Those always get found" only if reported. The editor has uploaded many such pictures, including one with a watermark from the Hindu. I will try to follow commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Mass_deletion_request, but please check if I did not miss any file. EDIT: see commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_User:Sreeja_Addala. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 18:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan Thanks; I notice these sometimes, but I haven't nominated any yet. I should learn how... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan From my limited experience, it looks like you did this right. I predict that file #10 is not own work, due to the lighting and background. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

External links on OECD Better Life Index page

I realized that there are multiple places in the page where it is linking to their website. I felt these need to be removed as per WP:EL. Also, reference number 8 links to their website. Before making these corrections, I wanted to get some opinions from other users. Also, citations 5, 6 and 7 are to their website and the page seems to rely heavily on citations that are their own website. In my opinion, there should be a notice on top stating that it relies heavily on primary sources and additional citations are required. Should I go ahead and add the notice on top so other users can help the page with appropriate citations? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad Thanks for wanting to improve that article. You are certainly correct that the EL in the body text should be removed or, if valid sources, converted into citations. The article appears to have an adequate number of secondary sources, although more would be welcome. Primary sources from the OECD, which is a well-known and legitimate organisation are not problematic as such but if you can improve the article, please do so. Adding tags for others to work on is of less use in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull thank you for answering my question and doubt. I will try my best to find more sources and improve the article. If I have any further doubts, I shall post it here. Thank you.

ANLgrad (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I had a question. I am researching and finding more sources for the OECD article. I added a BBC which is WP:RS. I found another one - https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/the-gdp-paradoxii-1503092058.html

This is not a detailed article about OECD. However, it does mention about it and could be a good secondary source. Would you recommend this could be added? Thank you.@ ANLgrad (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ANLgrad The source would be good for the quote "...which are far superior measures of the quality of life and well-being", I think, but I'm no expert on the topic. For that reason, you could be WP:BOLD and add something but should take further discussion to the Talk page of the article, where those interested in the subject would be more likely to see it than here at the Teahouse. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I was thinking on the same lines as what you said. Thank you. I will add it as a reference and also mention on the talk page. ANLgrad (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I NEED HELP FROM APPROVED EDITORS ON WIKIPEDIA

I am a native of ESA ODO town in OBOKUN local government of OSUN State in NIGERIA, WEST AFRICA in the continent of AFRICA . I want someone to help me write a Wikipedia (article) on my town. So that anyone that visit Wikipedia will see the name of my town. Other neighbouring towns are on Wikipedia but I did not see that of ESA ODO my town. Please help me and my people. Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

ESA - ODO

Esa-Odo is a Yoruba town located at the Obokun Local Government Area of the Ijesa North Federal Constituency of Ife/Ijesa Senatorial District of Osun State, South-West of Nigeria. It is a native Ijesa (Ijesha) community and shares boundaries with other towns ; Imesi - Ile, Ilare - Ijesa , Iwoye - Ijesa and Esa - Oke. It's a land very rich in agriculture thus we have Esa - Odo agricultural farm settlement. Here in Esa - Odo we also have the River Osun. Esa - Odo has many industrious sons and daughters in nearly every nations of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, . Ajakayeezekieladekanye, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. There are no "approved editors" - we are all editors, you and me, and tens of thousands of others. You are welcome to create an article on your town (towns are usually assumed to meet Wikiepdia's criteria for notability), but you will still need to find reliable published sources for the information: you cannot just write what you know.

Having said that, creating an article is probably the hardest task there is for an indexperienced editor, so I wouldn't advise trying to do so yet, until you have a few months' experience editing Wikipedia.

I suggest you head to WikiProject Nigeria, where you can link up with other people interested in working on articles on Nigeria. Perhaps you can work with somebody there to get experience of editing, and then create an article on Esa Odo. Before you try to create an article (whether now or later) I advise you to start by reading your first article.

One final point: please don't use lots of CAPITAL LETTERS: a lot of people regard that as SHOUTING. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ajakayeezekieladekanye:, although your town does not have an article yet, nearby Esa-Oke, another Yoruba town (which you mentioned above) and which is also in Obokun Local Government Area *does* have its own article. Have a look at that one (click here), to get some ideas of how to proceed. If you have more questions, please ask again. Mathglot (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Easy editing assignments?

Hi, I am a newbie editor and I was trying to help out by doing a few of the "easy assignments" that came across my feed. (I know one subject really well: Electronic literature--the rest, I can help out where I can...). I got Mawuena Trebarh and what appears to be an older version of Digital Commons. Maybe I am just unlucky--but in both of these cases, the problems ran far deeper than a 5 minute clean up for grammar. Is the suggest an edit feature an automated one? or a volunteer-human one? Maybe it would be better to just have a button that volunteer humans can check to note actual articles that could use 5 - 20 minutes from an editor who knows absolutely nothing about the subject? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 12:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi LoveElectronicLiterature and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, the "Suggested Edits" function of the newcomer homepage is generally automated, though it pulls from a category of articles tagged with issues by human editors and finds articles likely to be easy for newcomers. There's not much that can be done in these cases, so it's best to just skip the article. If you're interested in more long-term tasks, the WP:Dashboard and WP:Task Centre are good places to start. – Berrely • ^T∕_C 12:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

LoveElectronicLiterature, thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia. If you want to help it, I imagine that you find it useful (at least some of the time). And if you use it, surely from time to time (or very often) you find strange gaps, unreferenced claims, unparsable sentences, sloppy wording, mistranslations, etc, within the articles that you anyway want to read. I suggest you work on them. If fixing one such article threatens to occupy several days, nobody's obliging you to commit to that: you can instead just spend twenty minutes on it, and some time later perhaps spend twenty minutes more, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Berrely and Hoary.

I just looked at 10 suggestions, and every single one was flagged but the grammar was basically sound. This easy editing feature is not working--and could be scaring off us newbiews. I wonder if it might be possible to have a human check box for "needs easy editing" and put the human checked ones at the top of the queue? Or at the very least add a warning right under "Suggested edits" in the feed: "Note that these suggestions are automated. We appreciate your editing, but if an article has more complicated issues, please leave a note about those issues on the article's talk page."

I'll stick to what I know. Listing all of the notable electronic literature folks is going to take up enough of my lifetime. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature I felt similarly when I started. Most of what the homepage was suggesting to me was either perfectly tolerable (sometimes) or a disaster (more often), so it was a bit dispiriting. Joining a wikiproject can be a good way to dip your toe in. Some of these projects have cleanup pages that can help you find simple tasks. Here is the cleanup listing for WP:BOOKS, for example: [1]. This is almost everything that is tagged as a Books article needing attention, so it's very long and may look quite daunting, but several of the categories are the kinds of things that you can fix quickly (or at least quickly determine that they can't be fixed quickly). These tags are what generates the list of assignments you're coming across on the newcomer homepage. If you don't find going through cleanup tags fun (frankly, most people don't), improving articles on electronic literature and ignoring the homepage is the way to go. Glad to see someone working in that topic area, by the way! Literature articles in general need a lot of help. -- asilvering (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @LoveElectronicLiterature! I'm going to keep this brief to avoid flooding you with information. To be honest with you, the feed/homepage is a very new feature. We've gotten by 20 years without it and I'm not sure why they added it. But I'm very glad that you're finding it useful! If you have a subject you're interested in, you can see if there are any gaps in our coverage that you could help fill: for example, the article Electronic literature is currently rated C-Class, and definitely requires improvement (especially the History section). If you want to help out there, it would be greatly appreciated: it is a vital article, which means it is considered one of the most important articles on the encyclopedia and any improvements would be greatly welcomed. casualdejekyll 02:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm honestly not finding the home page at all useful!! I am really going to help out on the electronic literature and we are thinking about starting a project page. We are having meetings now. I just need to become an expert in wikipedia editing so I can help our busy volunteers (Assuming we get any). I'll also be reaching out to whoever edited any of the pages on elit. But my feedback to wikipedia so far is that their automatic editing suggestions are scaring people off! Please either fix the problem and actually just share articles that are easy (.ike the book project mentioned) that are curated by humans or put a warning as I suggested: Note that these suggestions are automated. We appreciate your editing, but if an article has more complicated issues, please leave a note about those issues on the article's talk page."

So far I have added the folks who write elit to the list of elit writers, with a justification for each addition in the talk page. And I've fixed a few errors as I come across them. My next task is to look at all previous drafts, see who is actually notable in the field. I am also compiling a draft doc outside of wikipedia so that as I comb through third party references (Like Electronic Book Review, Kate Hayles classics, etc. etc. ) I can put those good references in the correct pages.

I really appreciate your help and guidance in this task! Thank you! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, also, I have been in the field since the 1990s when I interviewed everyone in the field--all 8 of them. Where should I say who I am as the instructions say not to put that info on your user page? I do want to declare any conflicts of interest, but mostly I am an expert in the field?--Just not in wikipedia--I had a full time job and no spoons before July 30 of this year. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature: You are allowed to say who you are on your user page. For instance, see Cullen328’s userpage (taking him as an example because he’s a Teahouse host and I knew he gave lots of personal details). There is a prohibition against "Inappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia", but it is not as strong as it sounds - saying what your interests are is clearly OK especially if you’re going to edit in that area.

You might want to read WP:IRL before deciding to put personal info on your userpage (it describes the risks of doing so). Be extra careful before putting other people’s personal info - "I am married to X" is personal info of X.

Regarding conflicts of interests: if you intend to do significant edits on pages related to (former or present) employers, spouses, relatives etc. you are encouraged to disclose that. See WP:DISCLOSE for how to do that. Note that it’s not a formal COI disclosure as you would need for certain employers etc. - you don’t even need to declare the exact relationship if you don’t want to. Something along the lines of "I worked at company X, then company Y" would usually be sufficient. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 20:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME CREATE AN ARTICLE ON MY SCHOOL

I am a proprietor of a nursery and primary school. I want an approved editor on Wikipedia to help me submit an article on my school

https://www.flourishandshine.fflonlinesales.com/ Ajakayeezekieladekanye (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ajakayeezekieladekanye: Hello Ajakay and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, unless your school falls under Wikipedia's notability criteria, there won't be an article on it. Also note that Wikipedia is not a platform to give publicity to something or to promote something (see WP:NOT for a list of all the things Wikipedia is not). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ajakayeezekieladekanye, welcome to the Teahouse!

There is no such thing as an "approved editor" - anyone can edit, and you don't even need an account to do so! To combat spam, however, new editors are required to submit articles through WP:YFA. Do note, however, that most primary schools are not notable, which is wiki-speak meaning "has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That's a mouthful, but what it means is that we don't write an article on just everything. We write articles on things that have coverage, either in news or in books.

I hope this helps, and I hope you stick around to write more articles in the future! casualdejekyll 02:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You should not write about your school, yourself, your business, your family members or anything closely associated to you, because that's a conflict of interest. WP:COI A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

How to do footnotes rather than inline citations

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jess Wells

Hi there. My article keeps getting rejected because they say I don't need inline citations, but footnotes. I don't see a footnote choice anywhere! How can I change them from References to Footnotes??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jess_Wells#References Desa062956boomer (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the footnotes as you are doing them (although I haven't checked them as being reliable sources or including the material) but there are multiple sections without any references at all. I have added "unsourced section" templates and a CN tag to these to highlight what you should be concentrating on. - Arjayay (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. Desa062956boomer (talk) 18:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@Desa062956boomer But assertions in an article are supposed to have inline citations. I think the issue is that your citations just aren't good enough. I must say, the message you got in the draft is confusing. Can a knowledgeable Teahouse host give some better advice? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Desa062956boomer:, "inline citations" *are* footnotes, so I agree you got some confusing advice, there. Well, there is a slight distinction between the two terms: the "inline citation" is the stuff you place in between <ref> ....</ref> tags right in the running text you are creating, and then the software automatically creates a a little, bracketed, superscript thingie in the text where you placed the citation, that points to the reference in the References section near the bottom of the article. So, if I write, This is a sample footnote and place it in this sentence, between "ref" tags, then you get the little superscript number you see here, and if you click it (or just scroll down), then you will see that it is linked to the footnote further down. Now does it make sense? See Help:Footnotes for a better explanation of this. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 08:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot Thanks for clearing that up!

@Desa062956boomer You don't want to remove the citations (references) that you already have in the draft. I hope that Mathglot's info helped. Good luck. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Request to add more photos on articles without photos

Dear coordinator,

I am contributing to #WPWP but I was stopped whenever I reached 25. I was sent a post that I cannot do more than 25 in a day. I wrote through Talk, requesting for the sanction to be removed and allow me for at least 50 photos. I was told it has been approved but it is not, indeed. I was stopped again last night at 25 photos.

Please, that approval for 50 photos has not been validated. The order was given or rather spoken without action. Wikimedia is supposed to be a friendly space but it turns out to be frustrating and demoralizing space. This is not good for movement strategy and inclusive editing. I request that this sanction is removed for me. Please allow me to add at least 50 photos to articles without photos. Without the sanction I can add up to 100 a day. Please free my username. Thank you. Ngostary2k (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I've never heard of this limit, but I'm sure that it is in Commons, rather than here, so you should ask at c:Com:Help desk. My guess is that it is a limitation in the software, not a settable value in the user interface (but I may be wrong). If I'm right, even Commons admins won't be able to change it for you. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ngostary2k, welcome to the Teahouse. Looks like you've hit the edit filter which serves to throttle contributions tagged with #WPWP. This is due to disruption the contest has caused on English Wikipedia in the past. I don't see any discussion in which you were given approval for the throttle to be lifted for your specific edits (I'm not even sure such a thing is possible) - this discussion on your talk page is about the Upload Wizard on Commons, not about the edit filter. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, @Ngostary2k, I see you were asking for an example of what not to put in an infobox, image-link-wise. Look at this diff to see what you entered and what Kj cheetham corrected your entry to read. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

A bigger problem is that @Ngostary2k entered a photo of an American lawyer in an article about an English footballer. That's plain disruptive. —Wasell^(T) 🌻 06:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hockessin, Delaware map

Your map of Hockessin, Delaware which is the 19707 zipcode, includes parts of the 19807 zipcode, which is Wilmington, Delaware 2601:45:500:2435:39A8:8BE:C99F:7F6B (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @2601:45:500:2435:39A8:8BE:C99F:7F6B, welcome to the Teahouse!

Contrary to popular belief, ZIP Codes do not correspond to any defined geographical area. For example, Walmart's headquarters have the zip code 72716. If you were to do a survey of what addresses have what zip code, and map the results, you'd find a lot of fuzzy boundaries and other oddities. Additionally, a quick google suggests that the 19807 zipcode does indeed serve parts of Hockessin.

Thank you for your question! casualdejekyll 02:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

The area known as Houston, TX has dozens of Zip codes, and some of them may also cover suburbs. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, in general zip codes have no relation to city boundaries. In this case, I will note that the map in our article agrees quite closely with the boundary shown in Google Maps. However, it does not agree with the boundaries shown on what appears to be the official web site of the village[2]. So there does seems to be something amiss here. CodeTalker (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Raymond Wadsworth Walters

Hello: I have been researching the life of Raymond Wadsworth Walters (1885-1970), the longest serving President of the University of Cincinnati for several years. There is a very brief Wikipedia entry on him with the barest of factual details. Raymond Walters I have published several articles about aspects of Walters' life, read the entire contents of his diaries (1925-1960), and other related research. I hope to turn all this hard work into a biography of the man at some point, but I thought, given my wealth of knowledge of a public figure that lived a mostly unnoticed life, it might be fun to write my first Wikipedia entry.

I want to know how to embed headers in my essay and footnotes for my sources.

Do I want to add on to the existing article or create a new one?

Full disclosure, I am my brain freezes up when confronted with lots of instructions. The easier and more user friendly you are able to keep the instructions, the better for me.

Thanks in advance for your help. I am excited to get started on this new project.

Cordially,

Bob Miller, PhD

Department of History

University of Cincinnati Historyprof1959 (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Historyprof1959, welcome to the Teahouse. The most easy and user-friendly way to get familiar with how Wikipedia works is (arguably) the Wikipedia Adventure. I say "arguably" because it's not entirely bug-free and doesn't support the visual editor. There's also this series of tutorials which tries to keep things simple and easy to navigate.

Once you've run through one or more of those, I'd recommend simply editing the existing article; a complete overhaul is a complex and difficult task. Start small. If you have ready access to good sources (in our sense of "good", i.e. reliable, independent, published sources), add a few sentences of properly cited, paraphrased information from them to the article. Note that citing your own work should be done with caution. Once you've got the hang of things, you can expand more boldly. And always feel free to ask questions here! 97.113.27.216 (talk) 21:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Historyprof1959, in its current state, the article Raymond Walters is dismal. It doesn't even succeed in its very modest ambition, having him "comply" stuff he presumably had compiled. Yes, you could make unambitious alterations and augmentations, till you've got the hang of this and can confidently make sweeping changes. Even better: Put Walters aside for a while and, of course using reliable sources, try improving the extraordinarily feeble article ("stub", as it's called hereabouts) on one of his successors, Henry R. Winkler. Meanwhile, some essential reading for you: Wikipedia:Expert editors. -- Hoary (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Historyprof1959:, you have been given good advice above (in particular you should definitely read Wikipedia:Expert editors). Just a few more points.

Wikipedia is exactly the kind of place where you get lots of instructions, often conflicting ones. The good news, however, is that most of those are second nature to academics - cite your sources, write in a "dry"/emotionless tone, etc. Here are a few more instructions

• I want to know how to embed headers in my essay and footnotes for my sources. For headers, see Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections. For footnotes/sources, see Help:Referencing_for_beginners#RefToolbar (I linked to a specific section, but do read the rest of that page if you have time).
• Try to make the article understandable by a general audience.
  • Avoid jargon and complex sentences as far as possible. (Sometimes, it is unavoidable - nobody can hope to learn about the Pauli exclusion principle or the adiabatic flame temperature without some background knowledge about physics; but those articles should require an undergraduate degree rather than a PhD.)
  • Do not assume obvious context - for instance, the reader may not know Cincinnati is in Ohio, or even in the US. (Do you know where the city Ibadan is? It probably has more English speakers than Cincinnati.)
• Do not make original research. Ideally, cite everything you say to a secondary source; usually, a book or scholarly article. Do not cite primary sources (such as the diaries), and especially do not make your own interpretations of primary sources. Cite secondary articles that have already done that interpretation. (Citing your own journal articles is OK is done with moderation; make sure to fairly represent the various viewpoints if there is a controversy in the literature.)

Make sure to come back here, on the Teahouse, if you have questions, even seemingly stupid ones. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 20:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Richard III of England

Hi, my name is Matthew Leinheiser and I would just like to make it known that someone has vandalized the article on Richard III of England. They falsely claimed he was the first ever transgender king and added a photo that had altered him to look like a modern day school girl. 47.195.2.191 (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It looks like another editor has been steadily reverting them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:20, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

And the IP address vandalizing the article has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding images

Hi, I am making a Google "clone" on my userpage using basic mediawiki stuff, am I able to upload images either to commons or on Wikipedia itself for use on my page? There are some images that aren't on Wikipedia that I need on my userpage. Let me know what I should do, thanks. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@HolyNetworkAdapter: Find somewhere else to do this. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I can just not use those other images, sacrificing looks but its OK. Thanks for the suggestion though. -- HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

@HolyNetworkAdapter Wikipedia's servers should not be used to host material that won't be used on Wikipedia: Notwebhost 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This is just a basic clone of Google with mediawiki formatting. I don't need anymore help but thanks. --HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Nedeljko Čabrinović

Hey there!

I need some suggestions regarding this draft. My main focus is on the assassination, however you can give me any suggestions or problems in the article. Have a good day-er, night. :) Sarrail (talk) 23:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Sarrail, I don't discern any significance other than being one of seven people who conspired toward Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. How would an article on him be helpful? -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't he the one throwing the bomb at the Archduke? The other six have notable features that were promoted to an article, why not Čabrinović? On top of this, there may be reliable sources of Čabrinović. I don't know if I should abandon the articleship, or keep continuing. @Hoary:, I am open to your answer. Sarrail (talk) 23:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked at any of these six articles, Sarrail. I also know nothing about Čabrinović and am quite willing to believe that there's plenty more to say about him. Forget the other six articles/people, and ask yourself if there is more of consequence to say about Čabrinović. If there is, then continue. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Sarrail An article already existed for Nedeljko Čabrinović, and has been redirected, initially with this edit: [3]. You may want to discuss this on the talk page of Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. If you do so, you might want to tag in czar, who redirected the article. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

If they're only known for the assassination and reliable sources largely do not cover other aspects of their lives, then we usually redirect and cover within the parent article as a biography of a living person known only for one event. Some of those other biographies might be worth redirecting too, by that note. czar 02:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Here's the history of the article before it was turned into a redirect. Of course, it's imaginable that you have found or are about to find sources that are better than those used for the earlier article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I am pretty sure Gavrilo Princip is the more notable of the seven. That article falls clearly under BLP1E, but Gavrilo_Princip#Legacy has stuff that would make it very uneasy to make/redirect. (As an irrelevant aside, that’s the only one whose name I was taught in history class.) I am not seeing anything of that sort in the Čabrinović draft at the moment: if you remove stuff about the assassination and the subsequent trial, all that’s left is that he had tuberculosis and his remains are at the Chapel of Vidovdan Heroes. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 21:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Maintenance templates

Is it possible to see a list of articles that currently have a specific maintenance template within a specific wikiproject. For instance, would it be possible to get a list of all pages with a citations needed template associated with WP:POD? TipsyElephant (talk) 00:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

hi @TipsyElephant and welcome to the teahouse! for [citation needed] specifically, you can use Citation Hunt to get uncited statements per category (unfortunately not wikiproject, as far as i can tell).

other maintenance templates can be searched in a similar way by using two incategory: prefixes in search, like incategory:"All articles with unsourced statements" incategory:"Indie video games" to search for uncited statements in the Indie video games category (which unfortunately can't be done with wikiproject categories since they tag the talk page, while maintenance templates usually tag the article). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant You can for many wikiprojects, but not yet WP:POD. The list is here: [4]. I added WP:POD to the list just now - I think. (Edit here: [5]) I've never done that before so I'm not sure if I've done it correctly. The bot runs on Tuesdays, so check back in the next 24 hours or so (I forget exactly when it runs) to see if Podcasting is on the list. Good luck fighting your backlog! -- asilvering (talk) 02:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: PetScan can do it. Here is a filled out form: [6]. I specified {{WikiProject Podcasting}} first for efficiency because it has far fewer uses than {{Citation needed}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Metaverse

Are any of you alive out there or is everyone part of the Raphaimite hive mind now? 71.115.86.235 (talk) 00:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

we are all certainly alive here at the teahouse. do you have any Wikipedia-related questions? 💜  melecie  talk - 00:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm alive as well, but let's not be hasty in our judgement @Melecie! I know several living people in real life (in fact, most of my acquaintances are alive); but since I've not met any Teahouse Host irl yet, I can't be absolutely sure they are all alive. Unless being alive is some sort of requirement for editing on Wikipedia; but I think I would have heard about that. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I am aware of several wikipedia editors who are not alive. ClueBot NG comes to mind. casualdejekyll 00:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

What is the "Raphaimite hive mind"?

If you do decide to explain, please be brief about it, this is the Teahouse, and Wikipedia isn't a forum to discuss the Metaverse or the Raphaimite hive mind, I'm sure there are better places for that stuff on the internet. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 14:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Untitled comment

@colinfine 2001:44C8:4204:946D:B52E:108A:4C14:BC8C (talk) 01:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP. You have an odd list of contributions. Do you have any Wikipedia-related question? -- Hoary (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

????? Please do not use Wikipedia for promotion (WP:PROMO), profanity in TimedText namespaces, and do not notify users without explaining why. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@WannurSyafiqah74 That IP was complaining about (accurately-rendered) profanity in TimedText material (song lyrics, etc.). The answer was that this is fine, as Wikipedia is not censored. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay? Look at their contributions, though. The guy said their edits were strange - some summaries are in caps lock and a foreign language... WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

German Methodist Episcopal Church

You don’t have an article on this semi-denomination. Founded as a missionary effort to reach the new German immigrants in 1836 within the structure of the ME church, in 1865 it became separate but still in the ME church with its own conferences, seminaries. By 1920 it had 10 conferences. By 1939, only one was left. It was a major religious body. It needs either a major section in the ME article or its own article. The main problem is that there is only one book on it, published in 1939 by the Methodist publishing arm. I am not the person to write it. Wis2fan (talk) 03:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

If not you, then who, Wis2fan? Go ahead and try. Do you really think that among the relatively small group of Teahouse hosts, you are likely to find a fluent German speaking host who is interested in German church history from about 100 to 200 years ago? Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wis2fan: you can request that an article be written; see WP:REQUEST, but suggestions tend to languish there for a very long time indeed. The main problem I see is lack of sourcing; one book is not much to go on. I personally believe that encyclopaedias should collate and summarise multiple sources, which is quite different to providing précis of individual works. I'd suggest starting a discussion about it on the talk page of the ME article, and see whether people there think it would better be accommodated as a section in that article? Elemimele (talk) 07:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Ach, mein lieber Cullen328, you zhust neffer know. Vee Veekipedia edditters ken be a ferry strenzhe group, mit eefen strenzher neetch interrests. Heppy edditing! Mathglot (talk) 08:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wis2fan:, the article German Methodist Episcopal Church was created in 2013, and is still there. You are welcome to improve it, if you find any missing information. Please read Wikipedia's policy on WP:Verifiability, and the use of citations to reliable sources. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources

hi again!! if i were to use wiki fandom, or fandom wiki- im not sure what its called, but its this site. would it be credible/reliable, or no? Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 03:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. The answer is absolutely not. That website is based on random user contributions and is pretty much the opposite of a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 04:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

oof. I see. well, i better get searching because "personal experience" isn't reliable either. thanks for the help @Cullen328 :-) Getting Freaky on a Friday Night, yeah. (talk) 04:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

FYI: wikis are not reliable. While wikis for stuff like Minecraft try to be factual as possible, something obscure like Jelly Jamm will be prone to MADEUP information by random contributors. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I often edit twice and add citation templates

Long title is sort of long. (See my contributions for context, ignore me talking to old IPs I vividly remember using)

I'm not sure if it's okay that I'm a messy editor, sometimes I get hasty and make mistakes, and don't feel like citing things. As such, edit history on pages like Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia involve me revising a few times. Advice would be 100% appreciated. Thank you! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, WannurSyafiqah74. You wrote sometimes I get hasty and make mistakes, and don't feel like citing things. Please log out and stop editing Wikipedia when you feel that way. Return to editing when you are feeling careful and cautious, and sincely want to avoid mistakes, and feel like citing things properly. This is a project to expand and improve this encyclopedia in a productive and collaborative fashion, and a proper attitude is required. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

While there is nothing wrong with making an edit, and then revising it, consider using your Sandbox as a draft space, and only when completely satisfied, move to the appropriate article. David notMD (talk) 07:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 @David notMD I see. I was late to replying, so it's good to suggest that I should take a break. And yes, I am aware of using the sandbox for drafts. As for finding citations, I really just don't have the time to look. Just a reminder. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@WannurSyafiqah74 If you "don't have time to look for citations", then absolutely do not edit, and do not add uncited material that should be cited. References are not optional. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

What the hell? I just keep a lookout on TV show articles. I don't need to edit if I want to, I just try my best in this site. But not everyone needs to find a citation?? It's not forbidden as much as I know. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, I've sent a message to your talk page. Please do not use vague wording like this. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 12:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

You should not intentionally be adding unsourced material in wikipedia. Polyamorph (talk) 13:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

My question would be, if you don't have a source to hand, how do you know that the information you are adding is verifiable, WannurSyafiqah74? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:57, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Polyamorph @Cordless Larry Oh, so users do need to comply. Got it. I really don't know how to word this, but I used to just mostly revert vandalism on TV show articles and add what I know.

If it's fine for a new decision, I think I'll try to find citations (and not just rely on little things, like using citation needed templates, or foreign Wikipedia pages for international voice casts).

I won't remove anything on sight that I think is unsourced, unless necessary, if that's fine. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not a new policy, but I recommend reading WP:VERIFY to understand better, WannurSyafiqah74. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:19, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I read it. The page was really useful! If you want to link anything else to help, please do. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I added a message on your talk page which contains some more useful links. Polyamorph (talk) 14:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 @David notMD FYI: see my reply above this message. I realized what I said may come off as bad practice when editing. If anything else you'd recommend other than Google would be fine (because for some reason, you can't exclude Google Books results, which can be painful for speciifc searches), that'd be way more appreciated. Thank you. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:04, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

P.S. yes, I know searching on Google would be very quick, but I assumed that finding anything reliable would take a long time. I know this came across as admitting "lol I'm a lazy editor, is that okay?" But honestly, I'll try to be cautious next time. I'm mostly gonna keep a lookout on TV show articles, since anonymous contributors like to add stuff they make up there (for whatever reason). WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, I came here because I assumed I'd get advice on how to be a better, more polished editor. Sorry for the rambling, I suppose, but hey! Just wanted to get stuff out there. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Russia, the country of Terrorists.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Why is Russia not described as a nation of degenerates and terrorists at this point? Thanks! Helpgetridofmorons (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the WP-article Russia, some combination of WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:NPOV, probably. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Translation from Czech to English

Hi, I want to translate few articles from Czech to English, but it's still a draft and I can't publish it. For example this from Czech: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_Miner to English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marketing_Miner can somebody check my draft, if it's okay, or maybe review it? :) Peter Novácki (talk) 11:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

In the summary for your next edit, Peter Novácki, make it clear that this started as a translation from cs:Marketing Miner. Marketing Miner is a SaaS (Software as a service) tool that focuses on gathering marketing data about keywords, domains, and URLs. The tool (and the startup of the same name) was founded in 2015 by Filip Podstavec. By "focuses on gathering XYZ", do you mean "gathers XYZ"? How does anyone "found" a tool? (If it's software, did Podstavec write it? If it isn't, or isn't only, software, what is it?) These APIs: between what software and what software? Is it free software? Et cetera. -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I already edited the draft :) Can you check it please again and send your suggestions? Peter Novácki (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

How to delete uploaded image from Media wiki

Hello,

I want to delete some image which was uploaded by me, Endrabcwizart (talk) 12:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Endrabcwizart, assuming it's one of these [7], go to the specific image, then click "Nominate for deletion" in the column on the left, and follow instructions. Commons:Courtesy deletions may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång thank you, Endrabcwizart (talk) 14:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Where there ever a school #5 in Baltimore City in the 1960?

174.251.66.95 (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello. The Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. For fact-related questions, you may find help at the Reference Desk. Kpddg ^(talk) 14:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Tool "what links here"

I'd like to see the links excluding the ones to templates. I am writing currently on Swiss Federal Councillors and sincerely the ancient ones have mainly links to the templates and do not have wls into the articles themselves. If we could see to what articles they had a wikilink, we could read the source for the mention there, with which we could expand the original article we are working on.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle, see if this helps: Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2022_May_15#What_links_here. If not, try asking T the M. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Will check. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:59, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much dear Grabergs Graa Sang. The User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js tool was what I was looking for. Makes it also much more easy to wikilink new articles.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Referencing

Can I use any kind of offline document as reference to verify topics on post? Offline documents could be certificates or event pictures. Also which kink of news can validate post? If a single news has all the details of a post can that verify the whole post? If possible then should I add the same news reference to the end of every topic? ARMahee (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ARMahee, and welcome to the Teahouse. The format of documents does not matter: they can be online, paper books, PDFs, Videos, anything. What is crucial is that they have been reliably published. Furthermore, most sources must be independent secondary sources: certificates could be cited if a random reader could get hold of them, but they would in most cases be primary sources. As for pictures: copyright-free pictures are very welcome for an article, but it is rarely useful to cite them as a source. (I suppose if the picture has been published by a reputable publisher with a caption saying "The photo shows X at Y event on date Z" that might be OK).

Generally every paragraph should have a citation (except in the lead). If you are citing the same source multiple times, see NAMEDREFS. But if there is only one suitable source for the content of an article, then the subject is unlikely to meet the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@ARMahee, welcome. Sources can absolutely be WP:OFFLINE, but they must have been published, like a book. And WP:RS, of course. WP:PRIMARY may be of some help.

On "what kind of news", there is a list of sources which has been discussed on-WP several times at WP:RSP, that may give you a general idea.

Generally, you should add at least one cite/ref per a paragraph, if that cite supports the entire paragraph, it is sufficient. WP:INTREF3 has info on how to name a ref so it's easy to use it severel times in the same article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Restoration of Page Bhavsar

Hi All,

There used to be a wiki page for a community called Bhavsar/Bhavasar , its a caste in Hinduism which even tho has less population. I belong to this community , And it is causing people to believe people of this community don't exists. K.amit89 (talk) 15:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles on Bhavsar have been deleted twice, the most recent time in 2018, by Explicit, with the edit comment I'm not seeing any significant and/or non-trivial coverage in any reliable source (books, scholarly dissertations et al), to justify a standalone article (Ref 1 fails on this ground).It may be further noted that a source from the State Series of The People of India covers the topic but has been determined to have heavily). The comment breaks off in the middle of a sentence, but WP:RSCASTE#The People of India discusses why many editors think that this is not a reliable source.

You may find it helpful to ask about this at WT:WikiProject India. ColinFine (talk) 15:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @K.amit89, the article Bhavsar was deleted in 2018 due to lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Any article on Wikipedia should meet the notability guidelines. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Since this community is small and historically has moved from its place of origin, There are not many sources aside from government document confirming existence of such community. Hence causing confusing because many people trust wikipedia, Similar situation I faced today. If one wants I can provide my own certificate(redacted) issued by government as proof of existence of this community and I belong to this community.

Also another reason being that some people who moved down to further south in india , we are confused with Maratha (caste) because of both of our communities speak Marathi language. Hence causing more confusion. K.amit89 (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your predicament, K.amit89, but it is not Wikipedia's responsibility if people ascribe meaning to there being or not being an article on a particular subject. We see a similar concern from people in jobs that don't much get written about (for example production engineers in the music industry), and who believe that their career is being affected because there isn't a Wikipedia article about them. But Wikipedia is a private project with its own rules and purposes. If there are not enough reliable independent published sources to base and article on, then there will not be an article. ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There used to be an article named Bhavsar, which was deleted in 2018 through the proposed deletion process, and in 2008 as a copyright violation. Since the 2018 version was deleted under the PROD process, anyone can ask for it to be undeleted at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, however, you should be ready to address the concerns from 2018. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

This might be a challenging task if few published sources exist on the topic, K.amit89. It might not be much use me telling you, but people shouldn't trust Wikipedia articles unless they are properly supported by reliable sources (which ideally the reader should consult, rather than relying on Wikipedia's summary). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Seeking Advise

Hello,

Hello, my name is Eugene Brill and want to introduce the term Wannabe Naturalist to the world. I am a landscape, nature, wildlife, and travel photographer and author. I'm the publisher of The Wannabe Naturalist™ magazine.

I submitted an article introducing the term 'Wannabe Naturalist' that was rejected - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheWannabeNaturalist?markasread=254679916&markasreadwiki=enwiki

Eager to learn how to improve the article, I am seeking guidance. I'm passionate about nature, the environment and natural history. I believe that Nature Deficit Disorder (NDD) is real, I agree that “forest bathing” (fully clothed, of course . . . 😎) makes us happier, healthier, and more creative.

Also see: https://wannabenaturalist.com/ https://www.eugenebrill.me/ https://eugenebrill.com/

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely; Eugene Brill 2603:6080:EE01:6BA0:A101:7870:5ACE:AFFB (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

You need multiple reliable sources that have taken note of this magazine. That mere fact that it exists isn't enough. ValarianB (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@TheWannabeNaturalist: Absolutely not. One doesn't use Wikipedia to "introduce" anything. Wikipedia is never to be used as a publicity medium. Not ever. We have articles on topics that have already proven themselves to be notable independent of Wikipedia.

If you feel the topic is notable, see Wikipedia:Golden rule. Not a single one of the sources you cited qualifies. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Your draft at User:TheWannabeNaturalist/sandbox was Declined, not Rejected (a more severe option), but it has no potential to become an article. Your own websites, if used as references, will not confer notability. David notMD (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, you copy/pasted content directly from your copyright-protected website (ref #1), which is forbidden. David notMD (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to the Teahouse.

Wikipedia is not an advertising site. It is also not for coining new terms. Here at Wikipedia, we follow trends, we do not create them. That's by design - we only create articles for things after they've gained noteworthiness in their fields, or, more specifically, when they are notable, a piece of wiki-jargon that means "has been given significant coverage in multiple reliable sources which are independent of the subject." Which is a slightly longer sentence of wiki-jargon. It's jargon all the way down around here, really. The key words are "multiple", which means more then one source, "significant", which means it wasn't a passing mention (one sentence isn't enough), "reliable", meaning the source can generally be assumed to be factual (anything that issues corrections or has editors is usually more reliable - however, online blogs and the like are usually less reliable.), and "independent" (meaning it doesn't have a direct relation to the subject: a subject writing about itself. or for example, sponsored content or writing about a family member, wouldn't pass this.).

No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, but since you asked, I'll point out the major problems with your article. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Your article, which simply defines a term, reads more like a glossary or dictionary entry then an encyclopedia article. An encyclopedia article includes information about a topic that isn't a definition of the phrase. Another major problem is that what you've wrote reads more like an advertisement for Cornell than a neutrally-written Wiki article. Oh, and also, you've copy-pasted text from a copyrighted source, which is not only not allowed for licensing reasons but also probably illegal (but I am not a lawyer and this is not to be taken as legal advice. neither I, the wikipedia user casualdejekyll, nor wikipedia itself or the wikimedia foundation that runs it, offer legal advice, and you should talk to a lawyer for a conclusive answer on whether or not something is legal). casualdejekyll 01:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, @Eagleash, by the way, I'd like to know what your thinking was as far as choosing to not G12 this draft was. To me it seems pretty obviously copyvio - is there something I'm missing here? casualdejekyll 01:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Subsequently Speedy deleted for copyright violation. David notMD (talk) 16:23, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Requesting deletion of User:HolyNetworkAdapter

I need my Meta-Wiki stuff to apply here, Not sure if this is the right place to ask so yeah. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Related: #Regarding images —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I deleted it but you could have used {{db-u1}} template. Ruslik_Zero 19:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Article deletion

I created an article with sufficient sources. It was deleted, as in a prior afd several years ago, the consensus was to delete. I decided that time has passed, and the subject has become more notable. However, the article was speedy deleted, without proper afd procedure. I would like to send an AFC on that article, but I would like the archived content I made on that article, sent to me, possibly through my Sandbox. Thank you. Bronoton (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bronoton: Welcome to the Teahouse! To request a copy of the deleted content, you may contact someone in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bronoton I took a look at the recently-deleted page and, as it stood, I couldn't see any sources that suggested she meets WP:NACTRESS. If you were to have the content restored, it would be necessary to work on it in your sandbox until you felt it did meet those essential notability criteria and only then to submit it for review at WP:AFC and not to try to move it directly into mainspace again. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Bronoton (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

City Councillor Edits

I am attempting to edit information in regards to a city councillor running for re-election this fall, and feel the the information is important to update. For some reason, his page was just locked from further changes, when the changes being made were minor ones such as: adding a profile photo, promoting legislative and community successes as opposed to slander articles, ect. The wikipedia page in question is for George Darouze, who is a city councillor in Ottawa. OttawaResident74 (talk) 23:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm that the page is protected. I think that was because a blocked user kept removing controversy sections, which is often a sign of either conflict of interest editing or paid editing. However, you may still make changes on the talk page. Thanks! Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response Weekly. I am just trying to update the incumbents page fairly. I believe there is conflict of interest being engaged in by a member on the platform due to the fact that there are changes being made to the incumbents page, as well as one of the other people running by the same person. I am updating the page in question in the spirit of fairness to all candidates. When I attempt to make changes now, it still states the page is protected and requires edit requests, is this proper? OttawaResident74 (talk) 23:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, when the page is semi-protected, all non-autoconfirmed editors are prevented from editing the page, even if they weren't the one making problematic edits. I think you need to wait until your account is four days old (yours was created about an hour and a half ago at the time of writing) to edit autoconfirmed articles directly like that one.

Also, I see your edit requests were declined due to not getting consensus. To seek consensus, you can another new section on the talk page. To attract editors to the discussion, feel free to post neutrally-worded invitations to the discussion at the relevant WikiProject talk pages. In this case, it is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. Hope this helps, Weeklyd3 (talk) 00:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I personally doubt such a thing would get consensus. It's removing sourced information with a reason of "irrelevant" when it really isn't, IMO. (It's worth noting that as an American, literally the only Ottawan Politician I know is Gregory Guevara, so my opinion probably isn't worth any salt.) casualdejekyll 00:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

My personal reason for wanting it removed is moreso the fact that it may constitute a conflict of interest by the writer, due to the fact that the person he is said to be supporting is currently running against him in the upcoming election, thus promoting the opposition candidate further, when there is no mention of Thompson's endorsement of Darouze in 2014. OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Then instead of removing it, say that the endorsement happened, but they later ran against each other? casualdejekyll 01:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the help man OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and paid editing

Conflict of interest and paid editing concern

This post is in regards to a city councillor in Ottawa named George Darouze's page being locked on wikipedia, whilst one of his challengers in an upcoming election did not have his locked. I am a constituent in his area and am curious about your comments regarding paid editing or conflicts of interest. I was looking through candidates for my local area for the upcoming election, and couldn't help but notice stark differences in 2 candidates pages. The Darouze page had A) pushed negative media articles in reference to the councillor to the top of the page B) referenced his previous support for the man who is now running against him (relevance) and C) after checking the page of both Darouze, and another candidate named Doug Thompson, I couldn't help but notice that there was an individual making a large amount of edits for the Thompson page whilst also posting the slander pieces against Darouze. Does this not constitute a conflict of interest or paid editing situation? I think it is worth looking into the person in question who has been actively editing both websites during a campaign and posting favourable/unfavourable sections based on what I perceive to be their own conflict of interest. Thanks OttawaResident74 (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: George Darouze and  Courtesy link: Doug Thompson. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, OttawaResident74. The proper place to discuss these issues is the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 00:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Scared to make changes

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but what happens if the info i put in an edit is wrong? Can i get in trouble? CosmiiWasTaken (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @CosmiiWasTaken, and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia certainly can be intimidating at times. If you make an edit in good faith, you can rest assured that you won't face negative consequences. Cheers, 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 04:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello CosmiiWasTaken. One of the nice things about Wikipedia is that "do overs" are usually pretty easy. If, for example, you make a mistake and add something you found in an unreliable source, another editor may revert your edit (change the article back to how it was before you worked on it) and the person may write on your Talk page and make a suggestion on how to improve your edits. That might be a little embarrassing, but if you learn from your mistake, and go on to make a lot of useful edits, you can be proud of the improvements you've made. I've made an occasional blunder, but more experienced editors could tell I was trying to do things properly, so I never got in trouble.

It may be helpful to read Referencing for beginners. Just take it slow as your learn, look for good references, make your edit, click on the "Show preview" button to check to see if everything looks the way you want it to, add a short "Edit summary" (such as -- added birthdate & reference) and then click "Publish changes." Happy editing. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@CosmiiWasTaken This was a very sensible edit that you made. Posting on a talk page is always a good idea if you're unsure whether you've done the right thing with an edit. It's only vandals that intentionally disrupt articles who get into trouble. So don't worry. To be honest: I still have a moment's panic whenever I see a red message notification, and I've been here 10+ years and am now been given the trust of the community to act as an administrator! The fact that you were worried is a sign that you care, and want to do the right thing. Of course, you can always undo your own edit if you feel it was wrong just by clicking 'undo' in the View History tab. Our messaging can sometimes sound a bit harsh and clinical, but we can tell when a new editor like you is genuinely wanting to make improvements and 'do the right thing'. Keep it up! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Guatemala

Guatemalan gastronomy 74.104.171.247 (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP user. The Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about editing? Perfect4th (talk) 04:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Are you looking for Guatemalan cuisine? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Signature date format

I don't like dmy format dates, I prefer mdy dates. How can I make my signature use mdy dates instead of dmy?

- A diehard editor (talk | edits) 08:35, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor Click on Preferences > Appearance, then use the radio buttons to select a date format of your choice. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It's already set to mdy, I'm trying to change the date at the end of my signature. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 08:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor: not possible, sorry. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 08:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Are there any plans to allow specifying signature date formats, via modifications to MediaWiki itself? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that the date and time a comment was written are sometimes critical to understanding the comment in the context of a surrounding conversation, particularly when the comment has been posted out-of-sequence. If date formats could be customised, some people would inevitably choose ambiguous formats, causing confusion. It would be better to find some weird technical way to change how dates are displayed to an individual user, than to allow an individual editor to display their dates to the world in a personalised way. It's bad enough having people whose signatures are unrecognisably different to their underlying account names, or whose talk-page links are customised in a way that makes it hard for a new editor to recognise what they are. (oh, aren't I grumpy!) boringly-signed: Elemimele (talk) 11:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

While Elemimele rightly points out that allowing arbitrary customization poses problems for signatures, I suppose having a choice out of a limited number of options for the date (for instance, picking between "24 August 2022" or "August 24, 2022") would not break things. On the other hand, that might not be the most urgent thing to add to the dev backlog. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't forget the ISO 8601 standard too! (2024-09-16) A diehard editor (talk | edits) 13:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

And that most of the world (and the US military) use DMY. We have an article on it Date format by country - X201 (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm wondering if I should just convert to DMY and stop using MDY. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 14:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

According to Date format by country, The Philippines uses both, so it wouldn't hurt. {The poster formerly known as 87/81/23-/195} 90.208.90.29 (talk) 19:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Explanatory translations in lead

What's the correct format for writing the original name (when the article title is a translation) or the translation (when the article title is in a foreign language) in the lead?

I've seen two contradictory uses and I don't know which one is wrong (if any of them is):

1. Teatro Colón (Spanish: Columbus Theatre)
2. July 9 Avenue (Spanish: Avenida 9 de Julio)

I'd say #1 is incorrect and it should say Spanish for xxxx, but I'm not sure. Are there some guidelines for this?

Thanks. --Angus (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The principal name in the lead, as in the title of the article, should be the name most commonly used in the sources cited - see COMMONNAME. Sometimes this is a translation (eg Day of the Dead and sometimes the original (eg Eine kleine Nachtmusik). ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm talking about the thing inside parentheses. As you see, the format in both cases is "(Foreign language: xxxx)", but in some cases xxxx is the English translation and sometimes the original name. --Angus (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Sorry I misunderstood. MOS:LEADLANG says that the second is correct. I haven't found anything that says what to do with case 1, but the paragraph preceding the one I cited has both a an example like your 1 ("The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Italian: Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo)") and one that takes a different approach ("Las Meninas (Spanish for The Maids of Honour)").

I don't find the contradiction troubling, as the meaning is clear in context, and I find the extra word in the "Las Meninas" example unnecessary. But if you think it's important, and want to discuss it, I think WT:Manual of Style/Lead section would be the place to do so. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. --Angus (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

How Do I Report Myself?

How do I report the atrocious edit I just made and receive the punishment I so richly deserve? 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk) 08:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

We don't "report" edits unless they're part of a serious behavioural issue. We just revert and/or discuss them. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Can I Have Coffee Instead?

I don't like tea. Is coffee allowed here? 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk) 08:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, coffee is allowed, but this is a place to ask questions about Wikipedia. We are an encyclopedia, not a teahouse roleplay community. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor I think this comment was simply in jest and not an attempt at roleplay. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

A diehard editor Wow, you must be a delightful person at parties. Just a veritable laugh riot, you are.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:42D0:4A60:5DB3:89E3:5F5E:9091 (talk • contribs) 09:22, August 24, 2022 (UTC)

That's enough of that thank you, be civil. Polyamorph (talk) 09:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I have blocked the /64 range of this IP, having looked back at various offensive posts they have made over the last few days. Their third block will be a lot longer if they can't be civil. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with them. This IP person didn't affect me severely but they were annoying and the time I spent dealing with them should have been spent reverting vandalism. Also they commented about the cat on my talk page claiming it was "ugly".

Not very nice. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 16:13, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@A diehard editor You're welcome. I have felt it appropriate to take the unusual step of increasing their block to a 6 month period following some personal attacks that another admin has since revdel-ed and which were directed towards various editors. Such behaviour is not acceptable and won't be tolerated. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes The comments that were visible (yesterday) were bad enough. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 02:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

changer username

Gurlal Dhillon

how can i change my name Gurlal23Singh (talk) 10:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Gurlal23Singh Your account has made just two edits, so the best plan is to abandon it and create a new one with the name you wish to use. Don't edit from both accounts, except if you follow the guidance at WP:VALIDALT Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

wanna to change username Gurlal23Singh (talk) 11:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Like Mike Turnbull said, the easy way is to just abandon the Gurlal23Singh account and create a new one. However, you can also try this link: WP:CHUS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Movable lunar calendar bug: no idea where to report it.

I found a bug in lunar calendar date calculations. Current years are correct, the bug shows up as a 10 day discrepancy in 2024. I reported this on the talk page of the template where I found the bug, where editor @GreenC: verified the problem. However the buggy code is not in that template, but buried further down.

So I have no idea to where to report this bug. -- M.boli (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@M.boli Welcome to the Teahouse. That second template you referred to ({{Template:Ctime:x}}) was last edited in 2019 by Gonnym who is still active here. They may have an opinion, hence why I've pinged them from this page. However, if that doesn't elicit a solution, I'd suggest linking to your original thread from Template talk:Ctime:x and then going to WP:Village pump (technical) to raise the issue with the more technical folk there. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try Village pump (technical). I didn't find a useful talk page for the Template:Ctime:x. -- M.boli (talk) 12:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Notability criteria for entry

I've done an entry for a band who in my view deserve to have their wikipedia entry but the first version was rejected since the references used didn't fulfil the notability criteria. I was using too many primary links etc. just to demonstrate that the band had done certain things instead of using independent secondary sources etc. I am now doing a revision but wanted to check what is accepted. In order to demonstrate that the band is, indeed, notable, I wanted to also add links to interviews in German and Finnish national media but I was told by one of your editors that interviews were not accepted. I understand the point from the perspective of reliability of information (because it's an interview) but isn't the fact that, say, Deutschlandfunk want to make a feature programme/interview of someone also evidence of "notability"? So, are interviews in all cases a definite "no-no"? Furthermore, can album reviews, for instance, be used as references (I found some from respectable music magazines that could, again, demonstrate "notability". Many thanks for your answers. HeikkiHerttuainen (talk) 13:57, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @HeikkiHerttuainen! Welcome to Wikipedia!

The reason interviews don't count for establishing notability is because they are primary sources - they consist of material mostly written by the subject of the interview about themselves. They still can be used to support some factual statements. In order to "count" to establish notability, a source must be independent, reliable, and contain significant coverage. Interviews fail the "independent" part of that.

Specifically for bands, the notability criteria can be found at WP:NBAND. This is an extension of the general notability guideline. casualdejekyll 15:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I get that, though, in many cases this is not true. In the end, the editorial responsibility especially with quality media outlets stays clearly with the person who writes the story (the journalist). So, even if the interviewee said outlandish things about themselves ("I think I am the greatest operatic tenor of all times"), it is the responsibility of the person writing the story to exercise their journalistic responsibility to not publish those outlandish statements, or at least not to publish them as "the truth". Rather, what they can do is to write that the person they are interviewing has a bloated ego and an unrealistic understanding of their own talent and capabilities. So, I think that with interviews it all should depend a little, and I don't actually agree with the idea that all interviews are the same and all interviews are "primary" material. Havint said that, I get your point and I thank you for your response. Now I know a bit more about how WP approaches these things. HeikkiHerttuainen (talk) 16:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, HeikkiHerttuainen, I suggest that you read the informative essay Wikipedia:Interviews. Cullen328 (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Will do! HeikkiHerttuainen (talk) 16:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

link stuffing vandal?

I stumbled on this edit, in which an editor changed an image link. I have some questions:

1. Do you revert this with the "undo" button; do you revise it in a new edit? There are so many edits after the problem edit.
2. What is going on here? the original image doesn't seems to appear in the history of the page just prior to this edit, so I'm not sure if restoring the image is actually the right thing to do.
3. This user has been recently blocked. Is it ok to just go down their history and revert/revise (this is how I found this edit.)

So many questions. Thanks, Teahouse! -- LumonRedacts 14:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

1. Either of these options work. Undo will revert the addition of the link, while keeping later revisions. You could also edit the most recent revision to fix it manually. Check the help page on reverting for a more in depth explanation on how these work.

2. The page in question has an infobox in the source, which is commented out so it cannot be seen on the live article itself. Even though the spam link wasn't visible, it's definitely better to remove it to make things easier for future editors (who may wish to uncomment the infobox to add it back to the live article at some point).

3. There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at the contributions of blocked users to find non-constructive edits to fix. However, a user being blocked isn't in itself a reason to revert their contributions. Check each individual edit, and revert/revise if necessary. WindTempos ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

That all makes perfect sense. Thank you! -- LumonRedacts 23:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@WindTempos: @LumonRedacts: I think if you try to undo an edit after subsequent edits were made, you may get a warning The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits; if you wish to undo the change, it must be done manually. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: thanks! Glad to know there's something in place to prevent me from doing major damage! LumonRedacts 13:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

"The page [X] has been reviewed"

I constantly get notifications about "The page [X] has been reviewed." What does that mean? How and why does someone review a redirect I created? Castlepalace 15:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Castlepalace, when an editor creates a page, it appears on the new pages feed. It is hidden from search engines until a new page patroller marks it as 'reviewed', or 90 days elapse. Review will help ensure that there are no problems with the newly-created article. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

question about an article

hello, I am a new editor on Wikipedia. I started to make an Article about a Photographer and I want to ask how can I improve it and encyclopedic article? Barsoume (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:Ali Shokri, currently declined twice. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Barsoume: Hi there! The "Early life" section does not contain any references. Wikipedia articles are based on independent published reliable sources, so you'll need to add references showing where you read the information you provided. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

thank you Barsoume (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Barsoume, welcome to the Teahouse!

Wikipedia articles are expected to be written neutrally, in an encyclopedic style. this means that your submission shouldn't seem like an advertisement.

Additionally, anything that is likely to be questioned is required to be cited. casualdejekyll 16:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Style Guide

Hi to anyone who happens to care, does anyone have a quick link to the Wikipedia style guide? I would like to wean myself off of the source editor and move to using the visual editor.

Thanks- A1139530 A1139530 (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, A1139530, and welcome! You might be looking for Help:Wikitext, which explains the wikitext that is used in the source editor (here's an introduction to it). Alternatively, you might be referring to the Manual of Style. Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC) Misread the original comment, but Kpddg listed visual editor links below. My apologies! Perfect4th (talk) 15:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello A1139530. The Help:VisualEditor and Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor are a couple of helpful links regarding the VisualEditor. But I am not sure what you mean by the 'style guide'; do you mean the Manual of Style, or perhaps Help:Wikitext? Kpddg ^(talk) 15:53, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Manual of Style. -A11 A1139530 (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Kindly help me to improve

I was trying to make an article for my website but it was declined help me to improve my article or make the article for y website Wolverine00003 (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Wolverine00003. I'm afraid that is not going to happen, for reasons explained to you on your talk page. You cannot use Wikipedia to promote your website. Use social media instead. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kurmaian.com Not a single independent third party source. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Marion Mann

I'm his son. He passed on August 20, 2022. Want to add that. Also, want to include a pic. I can send it to you if that's easier than me doing it. 2601:14D:8100:54C0:74A2:493D:AACC:54A8 (talk) 16:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Given you are his son, Wikipedia guidelines consider that a conflict of interest (see WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, and sorry for your loss. To avoid the conflict of interest, I suggest you use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard and provide a link to the obituary. To upload a photograph, you can read Wikipedia's copyright and the image use policy, and then use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I assume that your father was the physician and academic Marion Mann. I am sorry for your loss. We need a published source such as an obituary to verify his death. If you have photos that you took of your father, you can upload them to Wikimedia Commons and the best can be added to his Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 16:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

• I could not find any obituary online (but the search is polluted by homonyms such as this one). Note that we don’t need a full obituary, a mention on the university website or something similar would be enough.

We could definitely make use of a photo (as said above, use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard). However, there are a pitfalls involving copyright law. If it is a "free" photo, you should upload it Wikimedia Commons; if it is not free, it should be uploaded locally to the English Wikipedia. To be "free", it has to be a photo you took yourself; being in physical possession of the photo is not enough. If it was taken by your father’s friend, or a university photographer, or a random passer-by in the street, it is (usually) not OK (for the "friend" case, if that person is still alive and you can get them to upload the file, it’s OK). (There are a couple of exceptions: if the photo was released under a free license already, if the photo was a work for hire, or if it was taken by an employee of the federal government - but it seems extremely likely none of those applies.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Help me to improve

Hi, Hope you are doing well, my draft article has been declined. I need your help to improve it. Please guide me in this regard. @Numberguy6 IABDULLAHXHEIKH (talk) 19:23, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Asif Peer Please read the instructions you were given about the decline, on the article draft's page by Numberguy6. If you are unable to show that Mr. Peer is independently notable, per WP:GNG, you could add a line or two about him to the Systems Ltd article, under a leadership section, as long as that info is also properly sourced. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @IABDULLAHXHEIKH: Welcome to the Teahouse! As stated at the top of Draft:Asif Peer, "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners." The text on the draft includes links to Wikipedia's guidelines and help pages that I hope you have read. Instead of having three footnotes after his name in the first sentence, I suggest having a footnote after each sentence showing where you read the information. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I have tried to correct the errors according to my knowledge. Can you please review and let me know before review? IABDULLAHXHEIKH (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

How do I get a page posted?

how do I get a page posted Finnalexa (talk) 21:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Finnalexa Wikipedia calls them articles, not pages, and see WP:YFA for the process of creating and then submitting a draft to review. Standard advice is to put in months improving existing articles before attempting to create one. If I may ask, who or what is the topic of what you are considering Wikipedia worthy? David notMD (talk) 21:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Help to publish a finished article

I need help to make a USER type article to COMMON type article.

I worked on a huge page translating from the original Brazilian Portuguese into English. Now that the page is ready, how do I release this non-user article?

Data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mvfurtado/Denise_Milan Mvfurtado (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mvfurtado. I have added a header so that you can submit your draft for review. ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mvfurtado: This article would not be accepted in its current state due to its severe lack of sources and massive lists which make it come off as a curriculum vitae. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I am a new editor and I made a new draft page how does the review system work?

How does the draft page review work? Wikikoolr (talk) 00:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

It appears you haven't read Your first article. I suggest you read it. Fabrickator (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: it appears that your draft is completely lacking in reliable sources which are required to meet Wikipedia's guidelines of notability. You need to find reliable sources and summarize what those sources say about the article's subject. Once you've cited a few good sources and summarized them you can click on the button that says "Submit the draft for review!" and a reviewer will eventually accept or decline the draft. If the draft is declined, the reviewer will leave some kind of note indicating what you need to improve and you can resubmit the draft once you've addressed the problem. If the draft simply isn't cut out for Wikipedia a reviewer may reject the draft without providing any way for you to resubmit. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Let's see by example, Wikikoolr. As its history will show, Jacob Owen is a one-day-old article. I converted it from a draft just yesterday. Its author submitted it; I made a number of very minor changes, I accepted it; three other editors and I made a few more very minor changes; and we get what you see now. Notice how the author has chosen a substantive subject, has done quite a bit of reading of reliable sources and has cited these sources. That's how the system works. (It also works to fend off a lot of junk.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

For some reason the past question I asked they said you can press submit button I don't see it

Wikikoolr (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: Welcome to the Teahouse. When you feel like your draft is ready you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. With that said, it is in no shape to be accepted into mainspace; please read Wikipedia:Your first article and Easy referencing for beginners. The lack of inline citations pretty much is a straightforward decline on its own. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:19, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors. Without inline references, it will be Declined (if not Rejected). David notMD (talk) 03:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

There is a backlog of thousands of submitted drafts. The review system is not a queue - reviewers select what they want to review next. A draft can be reviewed within days, but sadly, also weeks to several months. David notMD (talk) 03:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikikoolr, at this point, your draft has pretty much zero chance of being accepted. Please read and study Your first article, and edit the draft to bring it into compliance, if that is possible. Cullen328 (talk) 06:19, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks but I have one followup question, I read the Your first article article and I did not see any instruction on what I should do to make the page appropriate for wikipedia. Wikikoolr (talk) 19:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

EDUCATION

IN Which field am i ahead that will make my life 163.53.179.207 (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

We aren't psychic. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 03:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

We couldn't tell ya, per WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. Panini! • 🥪 11:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse is a place to ask questions about how to edit or create Wikipedia articles. Do you have a Wikipedia-related question? David notMD (talk) 10:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Saving Article

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upendra Mahato (2nd nomination). Can someone save this article. One psycho has marked it for afd. I think he is very notable person. Look at his achievements. Please add Keep votes. Thank You. 2405:204:3321:445F:24BD:C224:67BF:432D (talk) 05:34, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

IP, I would strongly rethink your post here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

IP, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition what Jéské has written above, please see Wikipedia:So your article has been nominated for deletion, which, while it doesn't exactly fits the situation here going by its title, still contains useful advice for the situation. Canvassing people to add keep comments will rarely work, as the result of XfD's is dependent upon the strength of the arguments provided, and not a mere headcount. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:26, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, calling another editor a "psycho" is an utterly unacceptable personal attack on a colleague. You are not the other editor's mental health professional, and even if you were, your comment would be a violation of professional ethics. Overt campaigns to recruit "keep" (or delete) votes at an AfD debate are strictly forbidden. So, stop this misconduct now. Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Attribution

A simple question I hope: I use Wikipedia as a source for much of what I do. It can steer me to other sources as an informal source for facts. I'd like to use Wikipedia as a source for what I do. I'm an aerial photographer that has assembled a set of picture files that I have assembled into a book. It's mostly about the photography but a few facts, r fiction regarding the state that i live in adds to the photo and makes the book more interesting, and hopefully saleable. How to I attribute the material I use that i have gleaned from Wiki or is that a forbidden practice. 66.220.237.31 (talk) 12:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You can read about reusing Wikipedia content and the necessary attribution at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. However, I'd also advise you to read Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I've been using wiki as a source for years, read only, but this is a large project that I've published in the past but without cont, IE, photos only....boring as the dickens. SO to that end, it was suggested that I add some written content to add interest to the project. I'll continue reading the "Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content" pages for a better understanding. Lenemeryphoto (talk) 12:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

For the avoidance of doubt, Lenemeryphoto, I was recommending Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia not as a guide to how to use Wikipedia but by way of caution against treating it as necessarily reliable. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

attribution

A simple question I hope: I use Wikipedia as a source for much of what I do. As an informal source for facts, it can steer me to other sources. I'd like to use Wikipedia as a source for what I do. I'm an aerial photographer and have assembled a set of picture files that I have arranged into a book. It's mostly about the photography but a few facts (or fictions) regarding the state that I live in adds to the photo and makes the book more interesting, and hopefully saleable. How to I attribute the material I use that I have gleaned from Wiki (via cut and paste) or is that a forbidden practice? I would like to attribute the material to Wiki as well as add to the system by submitting this very large collection of picture files for use by Wikipedia. Lenemeryphoto (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Lenemeryphoto. See the answer to the nearly identical question just above. Also, you're welcome to submit any photographs you own the rights to to Commons (link to Upload Wizard) - I'm assuming you took the pictures and haven't published them anywhere else. Note that by submitting them to Commons, you'd be releasing them for reuse under its very permissive license. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:32, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

How should I tackle making my first article

I want to make a small article on a steam train, nothing major, just wanted to know some tips! Player.exe (talk) 13:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you haven't already, you should check out the your first article help page. Make sure your article has proper reliable sources. You could also consider using the article creation wizard to make the process easier. It certainly helped me when I did my first. Good luck with your article! Have a good morning/evening!

Asparagusus (interaction) 13:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

What's the steam train about? What's the name of it? I'm very interested. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 13:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Player.exe, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm delighted that you want to contribute to Wikipedia, but I would caution you about plunging straight into possibly the most difficult task there is: creating an article. You say "a small article, nothing major" - that's a bit like "I'd like to build a small house, nothing more": you still have to do all the crucial but unseen work like surveying the site, meeting legal requirements, arranging utilities. In the same way before creating a small article you need to do the research to find suitable sources, as Asparagusus says. My advice always is to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to some of our six million existing articles (some of which are dreadful). As well as probably giving you a much less disappointing and stressful experience, it is likely that in that way you will be adding much much much much more value to Wikipedia than by trying to create a new article when you haven't yet had a chance to learn what that involves. Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

ATL Money Transfer Declined

Please check why this is decline as references are there already! Atlmoney (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

But, to paraphrase both editors who declined it, they're not very good references. Read the decline form: This submission's references do not ... show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.. In short, you need better references from better publications. See WP:RS for an explanation of what Wikipedia means by a reliable source. - X201 (talk) 14:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

To add to the above reply, these are not even references - they are all copies of same press release issued by the company. Nthep (talk) 15:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

OP blocked for promotional editing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:30, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Discussion_Tools_/_Reply_Tool_-_find_user_is_not_working

In case someone else was wondering. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Madagascar article update suggestion

Hi, Just a suggestion: The Madagascar article should have a link to the 2021-22 Madagascar famine article. I was specifically looking for that info, and the main article did not have it. There is nothing about the current situation. I hope this is not a pain in the butt suggestion since i am not doing anything else about it. I just wanted to provide the suggestion for someone who has more savvy to address it. Hope that is of some help! 2001:1970:555C:C7F0:354C:7C35:123D:4EB2 (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Wikipedia has an article called 2021–2022 Madagascar famine. It should be mentioned in the main Madagascar article. It might be simplest to copy the lead of the famine article (as it applies) into the appropriate section of the main article, noting in the edit summary that an editor has copied the content from the Madagascar article. Importantly, one needs to use the sources found in the famine article to support the material being added to the main article.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Help uploading non-free use images

Hello Teahouse, I have uploaded two images to the Squishmallows article File:Squishmallows sample.jpg and an animated gif File:Squishmallows Flip-A-Mallows Animated.gif

The second image was nominated for deletion for failing Commons:TOYS. I now understand why I can't release my images under a free license (even though I took the photos and own the stuffed toys I do not own the copyright on the toys), so I also nominated my first image for deletion for the same reason.

Once deleted, is there any way to reupload these images under a non-free use rationale on Wikipedia and how do I do that? I just want to provide my photos to help illustrate the article and provide information that only text will not be able to provide, but I want to do it respecting the constraints of the copyright. Thank you very much for your assistance. QuercusJuglans (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuercusJuglans, and welcome to the Teahouse. In order to upload them non-free you need to be sure that their use meets every one of the non-free content criteria. In uploading non-free material you will be asked to justify the use, and you will need to have considered all those criteria. ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help. Do you know how I can indicate that my derivative work (the photograph) is free but that the copyright of the toys is non-free and fair use? Is there any existing template or example from another article that I can use? QuercusJuglans (talk) 17:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuercusJuglans. Take a look at File:MattelBarbieno1br.jpg for an example. Cullen328 (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:DE

Hello. So, I heard about WP:DE, which calls "Disruptive editing". And to be honest, I still don't understand after I read it, so I probably need a summary. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 17:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dedhert.Jr. Disruptive editing is an ongoing pattern of editing that harms the encyclopedia. It comes in many forms. If the disruption continues after warnings, an administrator may block the editor to stop the disruption. Cullen328 (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dedhert.Jr Welcome to the Teahouse. Unlike vandalism (which is always intentional and damaging) disruptive editing can be from someone whose actions disturb other editors in a way which is not constructive, yet could be well-intended. e.g. a hyperactive or over-inquisitive child in a classroom, always calling out the answers when they've not been asked, or constantly interrupting with possibly valid questions, but which are incessant or timed inappropriately, but which affects the other students' learning opportunities. I think the lead paragraph of WP:DE sums it up quite well:

"Disruptive editing is not always intentional. Editors may be accidentally disruptive because they don't understand how to correctly edit, or because they lack the social skills or competence necessary to work collaboratively. The fact that the disruption occurs in good faith does not change the fact that it is harmful to Wikipedia."" Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete Template

I am trying to remove the the Incomplete after many citations were added to Louise Wareham Leonard (which my publisher set up six years ago but I have added to!

LouiseWLeonard (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Louise Wareham Leonard - 97.113.27.216 (talk) 18:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I've gone in and reviewed the article for citations and removed the template. Amscheip (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @LouiseWLeonard, and welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to be the subject of the article Louise Wareham Leonard. This is a conflict of interest, and it is recommended that you do not edit the article any further. Wikipedia is not a place to write autobiographies nor promote your work. Have a good morning/evening.

Asparagusus (interaction) 20:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

However, further changes can be requested by following the instructions at WP:COIREQ. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I know, apologies. I was just adding the Citations as the publishers no longer really have time -I added citations of who published the books. I did say it was me! Thank you. LouiseWLeonard (talk) 20:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@LouiseWLeonard Are you saying that your publishers, people who are connected to you, were previously editing your article? (this has already been proven in one case)

Asparagusus (interaction) 21:07, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Article Merger for American Civil War Subject

Hello, I have only been editing sincerely for about a year or so and I consider myself an amateur historian so I'd like to get some more experienced advice before attempting an article merger. The two articles are Anaconda Plan and Union blockade. Me and another editor already posted in both talk pages asking if a merger was a good idea but so far there have been no responses. The other editor initially proposed a merger last year.

Is there a way for me to sort of "boost" that question so that others may weigh in? Is this the spot to do that? And, if I am able to do the consolidation myself, is this the spot where I'd ask someone about creating a redirection?

Thanks in advance for any help and please let me know if this question is best suited elsewhere. Cheers! Amscheip (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Amscheip. Please read Wikipedia:Merging, paying special attention to the sections on notifications and tagging. Taking those steps will draw other interested editors into the conversation. Cullen328 (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

They (The AFC mods) think that I copied a existing page that is the Nintendo switch page

I put the submit button with intent to submit when I finished and the mod speed reviewed my page in less than 10 secs acclaimed me of copying,and said in their own words this page appears to be a replica of a existing page, Nintendo switch's page. Wikikoolr (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: Hello Wikikoolr! It appears that Theroadislong made a mistake when they declined your draft. However, with the status of your draft, it wouldn't be accepted into mainspace regardless as it is completely unsourced (just saying you got the info from Youtube and Google is not sourcing) and is also not shown to be notable enough to have a separate article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks I was worried because if you get declined too much it will delete your page Wikikoolr (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikikoolr, the reviewer was recommending that you add to the existing article, Nintendo switch, rather than creating a very short, entirely separate article about the console's bugs. You would need to have reliable sources to back up your additions - links to published articles written by professional journalists, for example. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

You would need to start by giving us a citation of two or three places where reputable jounalists or other writers had written at length specifically about Nintendo Switch errors, and been published by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. If you cannot find these, then the subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for Notability, and you are wasting your time trying to make an article on the subject. If you can find such sources, then we could possibly have an article. But Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know) or what random people on the internet know: it is only interested in what these reputable writers and publishers have said about the subject. Your personal knowledge of it is of no use to Wikipedia, unless it is backed up by these sources.

I'm guessing you are a bit where I was fifteen years ago: just discovered editing Wikipedia, and wanting desperately to "make my mark" by creating a new article. I now know that that is not the only, or (usually) the best way to make a significant contribution to Wikipedia. I have made over 20 000 edits, but only created a handful of articles. ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Update Official Member Photo

Good afternoon,

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene's Official Member portrait has changed and should be updated to the image provided to the Library of Congress.

Her wikipedia page is Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I would like a reply.

Thank you! Aernsthouse (talk) 21:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Is that an airbrushed photo? It says "Image courtesy of the Member" and doesn't look like her skin in other photos. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Aernsthouse, and welcome to the Teahouse. While the subject of an article, and their associates, are welcome to suggest changes to the article, it is up to a consensus of Wikipedia editors to make the decision whether and how to implement such changes.

A more concerning problem with that image is that it is not clear that it has been licensed in a way compatible with Wikimedia Commons' requirements. I know that many works of the US federal government are put in the public domain, but the site hosting the image says "Not all images are in the public domain; some images may be protected by the U.S. Copyright Law (Title 17, U.S.C.). Do not duplicate without permission from copyright holder". Generally Wikipedia (and Commons) takes a conservative view of this: if there is no explicit statement releasing an image, it is taken to be copyright and cannot be used. ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

A link is not good

Hi On this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_Lift_Lock, the link to Trent-Severn should <, I think, relate to a river, but it links to a singers band. May be somenone could make the correction ? Thanks 93.27.133.123 (talk) 21:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

It seems this has been fixed by user:Praxidicae. I spent a good minute looking for the issue before I noticed. small jars tc 21:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Check the notability for a person

Can someone help me to check the notability for 'Ansspvt'

Thank you Bhatti31 (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)