Talk:World War I

iran's casualties during world war 1

Iran has suffered more than 8-10 millions casualties as a result of Russia and British empire attacks on them(even though Iran officially stated its neutrality during ww1)

so how come Iran's name is not even mentioned in this article, let alone number of its death?

source:Persian famine of 1917–1919 Lsorooshl (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an RS, and famines also occur outside of war. You need a source saying that these casualties were the result of the war. Slatersteven (talk) 10:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"The famine took place in the territory of Iran, which despite declaring neutrality was occupied by the forces of British, Russian and Ottoman empires whose occupation contributed to the famine."

It's literally said on the Wikipedia page I mentioned.

for more assurance, you can check these sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917%E2%80%931919#Sources Lsorooshl (talk) 16:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

1914-1918-online, is it a reliable source?

@Slatersteven:, @SamuelRiv:, and @Longsars:, as I'm not allowed to reply to the thread at the bottom of this page as I used an emoji in my signature years ago and as I would rather keep the discussion on the relevant talk page and not here (at the bottom) I am posting this here.

I am honestly quite surprised that the reliability of this source has been called into question as it's a fully academic website. The entry at the page "Call for Papers" reads: "1914-1918-online. International Encyclopedia of the First World War is an English-language online reference work on World War I dedicated to publishing high quality peer-reviewed content. Each article in the encyclopedia is a self-contained publication and its author receives full recognition." This specifically mentions that all articles submitted and vetted by the 1914-1918-online International Encyclopedia are peer-reviewed, which is something we'd expect from a reliable source. So the question remains whether or not the website is a good usable source or not, right?

Well, later the page specifically states that: "All articles receive a distinct URL address as well as a Digital Object Identifier (DOI) and are fully citable as scholarly publications. 1914-1918-online is an open access publication, which means that all articles are freely available online, ensuring maximum worldwide dissemination of content." (Emphasis added). I did notice a number of contradictions within the encyclopedia myself (for example one page will state that a number of soldiers were recruited from a specific region and then another will contradict that), but overall I see little reason to doubt the reliability of this publication. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not just the RS question, as I said on my talk page I am not sure what this adds, or why every single line needs to be sourced. Slatersteven (talk) 09:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The users are being pinged because the source was asked about at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, which has a little bit of discussion on the matter. I have nothing more to add to my comments there, which were basically just about how other commenters were qualifying the source. SamuelRiv (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The authors in the articles of this website are high rank academic authors in universities. Check their CVs one by one. After that, it is not important to raise furher questions. --Longsars (talk) 15:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

By why do we need to have every line cited, why do we need to change Entente to allies? Slatersteven (talk) 15:36, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

In general, Important mass-viewed articles of Wikipedia uses less educated, thus less competent authors for references. I mean authors with low academic rank or with a simple university degree (which is not so reliable as the real scholars in the 1914-1918 online.)--Longsars (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

What sources are you talking about? Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The references are from these persons:

Stephen Gross: Associate Professor of History & European Studies Stephen Gross.

Prof Ágnes Pogány: Professor of econonomic history, Corvinus University of Budapest

Prof Martin Horn Professor in the History department at McMaster University

Assistant Professor Nicholas Mulder Cornell University Assistant Professor of Modern European History in the Department of History.

Mr. Slatersteven, May I ask you, which university do you teach at and what is your title? Longsars (talk) 16:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

No, I am asking what sources you do not think are adequate. Slatersteven (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The First World War was a battle of materiel, and the economy decided the fate of the war. The British naval blockade was only one of the most important stages in this. Just as important was the private American loans the British received to finance their own war and that of their allies. The loans were private, which is why the British needed the infamous and lying war propaganda campaign on American soil called "save civilisation", because that was the only way the British could get American sponsors to continue the war. You know, for example, German soldiers raping women naked in broad daylight in the streets, stabbing babies alive with bayonets, cutting off babies' arms, etc.

It is therefore very important to mention this financial event, even if it "offends" the national pride of, say, some (nationalist) British people.--Longsars (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

We do, even after I reverted your edits. Slatersteven (talk) 17:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but I pasted three more references about German situation and Austro-Hungarian and British situations, because originally just a general (all participants) war finance was pasted as reference in the first edit.--Longsars (talk) 17:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

You also made some textual changes, why? Slatersteven (talk) 10:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Slatersteven: Here is the full story about the topic, a short video, maybe the best on the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cktr__ZSuNc What is your opinion after you watched the short video? --Longsars (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

That this does not answer my questions, any of them. Slatersteven (talk) 13:55, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

But it can increase your knowledge.--Longsars (talk) 14:16, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

This talk page is not about me, it is about improving THIS ARTICLE. So unless it addresses any of the points raised here it is irrelevant. Slatersteven (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Let's use an approach that is closer to reality. An article is not just about the article itself, it is about the people who write and shape the articles too, and they are people. So, as an active editor, your opinion, your personality and your knowledge of the subject matter are important for this.--Longsars (talk) 19:18, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

"The initially neutral Italy switched sides"

I have brought the issue to the talk page as a more elaborate explanation for my changes made. In the second paragraph of the lead, it is mentioned that "the initially neutral Italy switched sides" to join the Allies, however I changed it to "the initially neutral Italy joined sides with" etc.. This change was reverted before, which is fair enough, but I disagree with the wording, so I have changed it once more with another added tweak further up in the prose. Yes, Italy was initially part of the Triple Alliance, a defensive pact with Germany and Austria-Hungary. Italy never once joined their official side of the Central Powers in World War I, though, and even refused to join when they requested they become involved. Secondly, this sentence is not grammatically correct. Being neutral and then "switching" to join a side does not make grammatical sense, as you were never on an initial side. This may cause confusion for first-time readers as well. Thus, I have also changed further up in the lead where it says "By 1914, the European great powers were divided into the Triple Entente of France, Russia, and Britain; and the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy" to "By 1914, the European great powers were divided into the Triple Entente of France, Russia, and Britain; and the defensive Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy". Thank you. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Champagne

change ((Champagne)) to ((Champagne (province)|Champagne)) 2601:541:4580:8500:7CB4:36C8:2C93:894 (talk) 21:08, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

"Indian support for the Allies"

I have multiple objections to this section. 1. The statement "However, contrary to British fears of a revolt in India, the outbreak of the war saw an unprecedented outpouring of loyalty and goodwill towards Britain" is questionable and concerning. As you know India was under British Rule at the time and had no free will.

2. The statement "Indian political leaders from the Indian National Congress and other groups were eager to support the British war effort since they believed that strong support for the war effort would further the cause of Indian Home Rule." is pure speculation and is already marked for citation. I think we should remove this.

3. "The Indian Army in fact outnumbered the British Army at the beginning of the war;" - Again, India was under British rule and Indians had no will regarding whether to participate in the war or not. So the large number of Indians in the British army was not by their own will. I think this statement needs to be removed as well since it doesn't prove anything.

coolk (talk) 20:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)